Transcript: Talking to Canadians Abroad | Oct 27, 2020

Nam sits in the studio. She's in her early forties, with shoulder length curly brown hair. She's wearing glasses and a black blazer over a pink shirt.

A caption on screen reads "Talking to Canadians abroad. Nam Kiwanuka, @namshine, @theagenda."

Nam says PLENTY OF PEOPLE FROM ALL CORNERS OF THE WORLD CHOOSE TO COME TO CANADA. BUT MANY CANADIANS ALSO PICK UP AND FIND A NEW PATH IN FOREIGN LANDS. WHAT DRIVES THEM AND HOW DO THEY COME TO VIEW THEIR HOMELAND? LET'S ASK, FROM FURTHEST AWAY IN GEOGRAPHY TO NEAREST: IN OXFORD, IN THE UNITED KINGDOM: JEREMY HOWICK, DIRECTOR OF THE OXFORD EMPATHY PROGRAMME IN THE UNIVERSITY OF OXFORD'S FACULTY OF PHILOSOPHY...

Jeremy is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt and red tie.

Nam continues IN LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA: KIRSTINE STEWART, MEMBER OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AT THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM, AND HEAD OF THEIR FUTURE OF MEDIA, SPORT AND ENTERTAINMENT PLATFORM...

Kirstine is in her forties, with long feathered auburn hair. She's wearing a black blazer.

Nam continues IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA: ANDREA BIBBS, SENIOR DIRECTOR, DIVERSITY and INCLUSION STRATEGY AT WARNER MEDIA NEWS and SPORTS...

Andrea is in her thirties, with short dark hair in a bun. She's wearing glasses, a red blouse and pendant earrings.

Nam continues AND HERE IN TORONTO: NADIA THEODORE, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT, GLOBAL GOVERNMENT AND INDUSTRY AFFAIRS AT MAPLE LEAF FOODS AND A FORMER CANADIAN DIPLOMAT...

Nadia is in her forties, with short curly black hair. She's wearing glasses, a gray pinstripe suit over a white blouse and two golden pendant necklaces.

Nam continues HI. WELCOME TO YOU ALL FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD WHERE YOU ARE. WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE YOU ON THE PROGRAM.

Jeremy says HELLO.

Nam says I WANT TO ASK ALL OF YOU THE FIRST QUESTION, BUT, JEREMY, I'LL START WITH YOU SINCE YOU'RE THE FURTHEST AWAY. YOU'VE ALL WATCHED JOHN STACKHOUSE'S INTERVIEW. WHAT DID YOU THINK OF HIS ANALYSIS OF HOW CANADA CAN BETTER UTILIZE ITS EX-PAT POPULATION? JEREMY?

The caption changes to "Jeremy Howick. University of Oxford."
Then, it changes again to "Planet Canada."

Jeremy says YEAH. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF UNTAPPED POTENTIAL OF CANADIANS WHO ARE QUITE EXPERT AT WHAT THEY DO. ALL THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE ON THE PANEL HERE. WHO CAN CONTRIBUTE TO WHAT JOHN CALLS, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, AN 11TH PROVINCE. AND ALSO I THINK WE BECOME PROUDER TO BE CANADIAN WHEN WE GO AWAY BECAUSE CANADA'S FAR FROM PERFECT. WE CAN IMPROVE MANY THINGS. BUT WHEN YOU GO AWAY, YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH BETTER IT IS AT A LOT OF GOOD THINGS THAN MANY OTHER COUNTRIES.

Nam says I WANT TO PICK UP ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID. WHEN I LIVED ABROAD, I ACTUALLY THINK I BECAME A BETTER CANADIAN. WHY DO YOU THINK WE BECOME PROUDER WHEN WE LIVE ABROAD?

Jeremy says LET ME GIVE AN EXAMPLE. I WENT HOME, BACK TO CANADA A FEW YEARS AGO, AND I HAD A BARBECUE WITH SOME FRIENDS, JUST RANDOM FRIENDS I GREW UP WITH. WE WERE SITTING AROUND THE TABLE CHATTING AND I REALIZED THAT OF SIX PEOPLE, THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE BORN IN COUNTRIES OUTSIDE CANADA, THREE DIFFERENT RELIGIONS, AND IT WAS JUST SEAMLESS AND IT WAS FUN. IT WAS TOTALLY NORMAL. BUT OUTSIDE OF CANADA, THAT KIND OF THING IS NOT AS NORMAL AS IT SHOULD BE. THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'RE BETTER AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT JOHN CALLED BRIDGING DIFFERENCES AND SO ON. SO I THINK THIS 11TH PROVINCE IDEA WOULD BE GREAT. WE HAVE A LOT TO OFFER.

Nam says KIRSTIN I WANT TO ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION. YOU SAW JOHN STACKHOUSE'S INTERVIEW. HOW DO YOU THINK CANADA CAN BETTER UTILIZE ITS EX-PAT POPULATION?

The caption changes to "Kirstine Stewart. World Economic Forum."

Kirstine says AS WE'VE BEEN SAYING THIS MORNING, WE ARE CONNECTED. WE DO HAVE A VERY KIND OF SOLID SHARED KIND OF VALUES, AND IT'S EASY FOR US TO SOMETIMES FIND EACH OTHER OVERSEAS. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO TAP INTO THAT TALENT BASE. THIS IS THE TIME OF NETWORKS, CONNECTED NETWORKS ARE SO IMPORTANT, AND I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY KIND OF LEVERAGE THE POWER AND THE STRENGTH OF OURSELVES AS WE'RE IN DIFFERENT PLACES AROUND THE WORLD, THAT COULD BE BETTER TAPPED AND BETTER UTILIZED.

Nam says ANDREA, YOU'VE BEEN IN ATLANTA FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS? I SHOULD KNOW THIS. WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT JOHN STACKHOUSE SAID?

The caption changes to "Andrea Bibbs. Warnermedia News and Sports."

Andrea says I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT AND I THINK ESPECIALLY AROUND THAT BRIDGING DIFFERENCES AND UTILIZING US AS CANADIANS WHO ARE OVERSEAS TO HELP BETTER, YOU KNOW, CANADA AT HOME IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. SO I REALLY LOVE THAT. I FEEL LIKE... JUST LIKE WHAT JEREMY WAS SAYING, I BECAME AN EVEN PROUDER CANADIAN WHEN I MOVED TO ATLANTA AND THE U.S. I FEEL LIKE I'M ALWAYS WAVING MY FLAG AND AN UNOFFICIAL AMBASSADOR HERE, JUST HOW GREAT OUR COUNTRY IS AND MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR AMERICANS AND OTHERS TO UTILIZE SOME OF THE GREAT THINGS WE HAVE AT HOME AS WELL.

Nam says NADIA, YOU RECENTLY MOVED BACK TO TORONTO AFTER LIVING IN ATLANTA, SO I'LL ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HIS ARGUMENT TO UTILIZE THE EX-PAT POPULATION BETTER?

The caption changes to "Nadia Theodore. Former Canadian Diplomat."
Then, it changes again to "Watch us anytime: tvo.org, Twitter: @theagenda, Facebook Live, YouTube."

Nadia says YEAH. I THINK THAT THE IDEA OF USING CANADIANS AT ALL LEVELS WHILE THEY ARE ABROAD TO BETTER OUR HOME COUNTRY IS SOMETHING THAT JOHN AND THE BOOK AND THIS IDEA OF PLANET CANADA IS GOING TO PAY OFF FOR US EXPONENTIALLY OVER THE NEXT FIVE, TEN, FIFTEEN YEARS. AND IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF DROVE IT HOME FOR ME WAS THE IDEA OF US NOT FRETTING SO MUCH ABOUT WHETHER WE ARE EXPERIENCING BRAIN DRAIN OR BRAIN GAIN, SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EX-PATS AND CANADIANS GOING AND LIVING ABROAD. OFTENTIMES THERE'S THIS FRETTING ABOUT CANADIANS LEAVING OUR COUNTRY AND THEN LEAVING THE TALENT AND EXPERTISE THAT THEY HAVE WITH THEM. AND I THINK THAT JOHN'S IDEA, AND THE WHOLE THESIS, THAT, NO, IN FACT, CANADIANS THAT GO ABROAD, IT IS BRAIN GAIN FOR CANADA. IF WE ARE INTENTIONAL ABOUT REACHING OUT AND CONNECTING, NOT JUST TO THE CEOS AND HEADS OF COMPANIES AND HEADS OF INSTITUTIONS THAT LIVE ABROAD BUT CANADIANS OF ALL WALKS OF LIFE, ALL EXPERTISE, AT ALL LEVELS OF THEIR CAREERS THAT ARE ABROAD, AND DRAWING THEM INTO THE FUTURE OF CANADA AND THE CANADIAN STORY THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE IN OUR OWN TOWN, THEN IN FACT WHAT WE ARE DOING IS BUILDING THIS 11TH... THIS 13TH PROVINCE AND TERRITORY, I'D LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN REALLY BENEFIT RICHLY TO OUR DOMESTIC EXPERIENCE, CANADIAN EXPERIENCE, BUT ALSO THIS IDEA OF OUR GLOBAL CANADIAN EXPERIENCE AND THE GLOBAL FOOTPRINT THAT WE WANT TO LEAVE AS CANADA.

Nam says JUST TO PICK UP ON WHAT NADIA WAS SAYING, KIRSTINE, WE THINK WHEN CANADIANS LEAVING THE COUNTRY, WE THINK OF IT MAYBE AS A LOSS. SHOULD WE CHANGE HOW WE LOOK AT THAT AND LOOK AT IT MORE AS A GAIN, AS NADIA WAS SUGGESTING?

Kirstine says ABSOLUTELY. JOIN POINTS OUT IN THE BOOK THIS IS NOT ABOUT A BRAIN LOSS, THIS IS ABOUT A BRAIN CYCLE. GOING OUT INTO THE WORLD AND COMING BACK TO CANADA, I KNOW MYSELF I'VE DONE THAT THREE OR FOUR TIMES. I'VE LEFT THE COUNTRY, GONE TO FIND GREAT JOBS TO DO INTERNATIONALLY, I TEND TO ALWAYS COME BACK. AND I THINK HOPEFULLY I BRING BENEFIT BACK TO THE COUNTRY WHEN PEOPLE LIKE MY SELVES DECIDE THAT THEY'VE HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE OVERSEAS OR IN ANOTHER COUNTRY AND HAVE LEARNED A LOT AND CAN BRING SOME OF THAT BACK TO THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING THOSE NETWORKS THAT WE BUILT INTERNATIONALLY. LIKE, I THINK THERE IS THAT SENSE OF A BRAIN CYCLE, WHICH IS SO POWERFUL.

Nam says YOU SAID THAT YOU ALWAYS COME BACK. IS THAT BECAUSE OF FAMILY, OR IS IT BECAUSE CANADA IS HOME?

The caption changes to "Kirstine Stewart, @kirstinestewart."

Kirstine says CANADA IS HOME. YEAH, I DO HAVE FAMILY HERE. BUT I ALSO HAVE FAMILY GLOBALLY. AND I THINK FOR SO MANY OF US, I THINK THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT CANADA IS WE ARE A NATION OF LARGELY IMMIGRANTS, AND SO WHETHER IT'S OURSELVES OR OUR PARENTS WHO HAVE COME TO CANADA, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THIS SENSE OF A CONSTANT LOOKING GLOBALLY. LIKE, I THINK WE ARE GLOBAL CITIZENS. AND THERE IS THIS KIND OF HOME... YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HOMEBODINESS ABOUT WHAT WE EXPERIENCE AS WELL. SOMETIMES WE MISS HOME WHEN WE'RE AWAY FROM IT. AND AS MUCH AS WE CAN BE PROUD OF BEING IN THIS WORLD AND BEING GLOBAL, THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT COMING HOME TOO, AND I'VE ALWAYS DONE IT. I WILL BE CURIOUS TO SEE IF I DO IT AGAIN THIS TIME.

Nam says ANDREA, I SAW YOU NODDING YOUR HEAD.

The caption changes to "Andrea Bibbs, @DreaDay."

Andrea says YEAH, I MEAN, DEFINITELY. BECAUSE SO MANY OF US ARE CHILDREN OF DIFFERENT CULTURES, AS JOHN SAID IN HIS BOOK AS WELL. YOU KNOW, MY PARENTS ARE... THEY MOVED TO CANADA FROM THE U.K., AND BOTH HAVE GUYANESE ROOTS AND I AM FIRST GENERATION CANADIAN, SO I GREW UP WITH A LOT OF OTHER FIRST GENERATION CANADIANS, AND I THINK GROWING UP, I PROBABLY FELT A LITTLE BIT MORE GUYANESE THAN CANADIAN. AND WHEN I MOVED TO THE STATES, I THINK IT WAS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT FOR ME TO KNOW... TO REALLY SHOUT THAT I'M CANADIAN, AND ESPECIALLY HAVING SMALL CHILDREN, MAKING SURE THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE AS CANADIAN AS THEY ARE AMERICAN AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK BEING A FIRST GENERATION CANADIAN ALSO GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY... OR GIVES US THIS DIFFERENT, I'D SAY, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE EMPATHETIC TO DIFFERENT CULTURES AS WELL, AND I THINK THAT HELPS US WHEN WE'RE IN THE U.S. AND IN OTHER PLACES OVERSEAS.

Nam says AND, JEREMY, WAS THERE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR THAT JOHN SAID THAT YOU STRONGLY RELATED TO?

The caption changes to "Jeremy Howick, @JeremyHowick."

Jeremy says YEAH. I THINK HE HAD A GREAT IDEA TO MENTION THE C-100, THESE TECH GENIUSES IN THE SILICON VALLEY, WHO HAVE BANDED TOGETHER, THEY'RE ALL CANADIAN AND THEY HELP CANADIANS IN THE SILICON VALLEY AND THEY GO BACK TO CANADA AND HELP. THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW... THERE'S ALL THIS GOODWILL. PEOPLE GO AWAY, THEY FEEL MORE CANADIAN, THEY WANT TO HELP. WE COULD HAVE A KIND OF M-100 FOR PEOPLE IN MEDIA AND SPORTS, LIKE KIRSTINE AND ANDREA. HERE AT OXFORD ALONE, PROFESSOR SIR JOHN BELL IS LEADING THE CHARGE TO GET A VACCINE FOR THE CORONAVIRUS AND HE'S WAY HIGHER THAN I AM, BUT I'M ALSO NOT BAD AT WHAT I DO. SO THERE'S ALL THIS OPPORTUNITY AND GOODWILL. SO BEING INTENTIONAL ABOUT IT, AS NADIA SAID, SHOULD BE A PRETTY EASY TASK THAT COULD PAY HUGE DIVIDENDS.

Nam says NADIA, I MENTIONED THAT YOU JUST CAME BACK TO TORONTO. AND IT WAS REALLY NICE TO SEE THE HOMECOMING THAT YOU HAD ON SOCIAL MEDIA. A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE VERY EXCITED THAT YOU ARE BACK IN THE CITY. AND YOU'RE WORKING FOR MAPLE LEAF FOODS. BUT YOU WERE CONSUL GENERAL FOR CANADA IN ATLANTA. IS IT MUCH OF WHAT JOHN IS TALKING ABOUT, MUCH OF TALKING ABOUT CANADA IN THE DIPLOMATIC COMMUNITY.

The caption changes to "Nadia Theodore. Maple Leaf Foods."

Nadia says ABSOLUTELY. MORE AND MORE IT IS OUR JOB TO CONNECT CANADA AROUND THE WORLD. MORE AND MORE WE ARE SEEING THAT OUR DIPLOMATS, OUR DIPLOMATIC COMMUNITY, OUR FOREIGN SERVICE CAN REALLY HELP SHAPE THE FUTURE OF CANADA BY ENCOURAGING CANADIANS, THE DIASPORA AROUND THE GLOBE, WHEREVER WE AS DIPLOMATS ARE PLACED, TO BE DRAWN IN, AS JOHN SAYS, NOT JUST ON CANADA DAY, NOT JUST FOR THE CELEBRATION, BUT FOR THE DEEP POLICY DISCUSSIONS THAT WE ARE HAVING ABOUT CANADA DOMESTICALLY AND CANADA AS OUR PLACE IN THE WORLD AND WHERE OUR PLACE IN THE WORLD IS. AND I THINK THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST 5 TO 10 YEARS, I WOULD SAY, THE DIPLOMATIC COMMUNITY HAS REALLY TRIED TO FOCUS IN ON MAKING THOSE CONNECTIONS, BUILDING THOSE COMMUNITIES, BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ABROAD, WITH CANADIANS, AGAIN, AT ALL RANKS, IN ALL DIFFERENT SECTORS, TO REALLY GET ACROSS A FUNCTIONAL VIEW OF WHAT OUR CANADIANS ABROAD SEE AS THE FUTURE OF CANADA AND WHAT THEIR CONTRIBUTION CAN BE WHILE THEY ARE LIVING ABROAD, AND THEN, EVENTUALLY, WHEN THEY COME BACK HOME.

Nam says AND WHEN YOU WERE IN ATLANTA AS CONSUL GENERAL, WHAT WAS YOUR ROLE?

Nadia says SO AS CONSUL GENERAL AND AS A CONSUL GENERAL, AS AN AMBASSADOR, AS A HIGH COMMISSIONER, OUR SENIOR DIPLOMATS ABROAD ARE REALLY THE VOICE AND THE FACE OF CANADA AROUND THE GLOBE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, OUR NUMBER ONE JOB, IN FACT, IS TO PROTECT CANADIANS WHO ARE TRAVELLING IN OUR REGIONS OF ACCREDITATION. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. AND WE SAW THAT EVER SO CLEARLY AND TRANSPARENTLY WITH THE REPATRIATION OF MANY CANADIANS AROUND THE GLOBE, AND SECOND, IT IS OUR DUTY AND OUR JOY TO HELP CANADIAN BUSINESSES WHO ARE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO SELL THEIR STUFF, WHETHER IT'S GOODS OR SERVICES AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN AROUND THE WORLD, AND SO WE HAVE TEAMS AROUND THE WORLD, THEY ARE CALLED TRADE COMMISSIONERS, FIND ONE, USE ONE IF YOU ARE A CANADIAN COMPANY LOOKING TO SELL ABROAD AND GO GLOBAL. AND THEN THIRDLY, AND A BIT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY, WE ARE HERE TO SELL THE BRAND OF CANADA ABROAD, TO REALLY BE THE VOICE OF CANADA'S FOREIGN POLICY, THE VOICE OF CANADA'S PULSE ABROAD, TO SELL PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT CANADA STANDS FOR, WHAT OUR VALUES ARE, WHAT OUR INTENTIONS ARE, AND TO BUILD THOSE ALLIANCES WITH OTHER COUNTRIES AND OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE WORLD.

Nam says SO, KIRSTINE DO YOU THINK THE JOB OF CANADIANS ABROAD SHOULD BE THE JOB OF DIPLOMATS OR DOES THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAVE A REEL TO PLAY.

Kirstine says I THINK CANADIANS HAVE A GREAT ROLE TO PLAY. THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ALREADY SELF-FORMING ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, AND I THINK BUSINESS LEADERS THAT GET TOGETHER... I THINK NADIA RAISES A GOOD POINT, IT'S NOT JUST LEADERS WITHIN BUSINESSES, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE TOP CEOS, THE PRESIDENTS OF COMPANIES, THAT TAKE LEADERSHIP POSITIONS ON THEIR OWN TO KINDS OF FORCE THEIR WAY THROUGH AS ENTREPRENEURS. THERE'S A HUGE NETWORK OF CANADIANS THAT DO FIND EACH OTHER, AND I THINK AS MUCH AS WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE DIPLOMATIC SERVICE IN EXTENDING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO REACH OUT AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE GREATNESS OF CANADA, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TAP INTO THOSE THAT ARE ON THE PRIVATE SIDE AND WORKING BUSINESS DAY-TO-DAY TO ALSO BE ADVOCATES AND SUPPORT THE IDEA OF GRAND CANADA, NOT JUST THE ABILITY OF CANADIANS WITHIN CANADA BUT THOSE THAT ARE GLOBAL TO CONNECT AND REALLY BRING FORWARD SOME FANTASTIC... THE WONDERFULNESS OF CANADA.

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Nam says WELL, YOU KNOW, IN THE BOOK, JOHN SAID... HE HAD LOTS OF EXAMPLES FOR THE ARGUMENT THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT PEOPLE LIKE CANADIANS AROUND THE WORLD IS BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF LIKE THE U.S. BUT NOT REALLY. SO, JEREMY, WHEN YOU ARE LIVING ABROAD, DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR COUNTRY, DO YOU THINK CANADA CELEBRATES YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS THE WAY THEY MIGHT IF YOU WERE AN AMERICAN?

The caption changes to "Oot and aboot."

Jeremy says I THINK THE GOOD THING ABOUT CANADA IS THAT WE DON'T KIND OF BRAG ABOUT OURSELVES AS MUCH AS SOME OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE OUR NEIGHBOURS DOWN SOUTH. AND CAN I JUST ADD THING TO WHAT NADIA SAID? I AGREE THAT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT CANADA DAY, BUT LONDON'S BEST PARTY IN TRAFALGAR SQUARE USED TO BE THE CANADA DAY PARADE AND FOR SOME REASON THEY'VE STOPPED DOING IT. AND IF THEY COULD REINSTATE THAT, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL...

Nam says I AGREE. I WENT WHEN I VISITED THE U.K.

Jeremy says WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOOD AT AND I WAS HAPPY JOHN MENTIONED IT, THE IDEA OF SOFT POWER. AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE A SMALL COUNTRY, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE BETTER... NOT PERFECT BUT BETTER AT MAKING BRIDGES, UNDERSTANDING DIFFERENCES, EMPATHY AND SO ON, THAT GIVES US POWER TO CONNECT PEOPLE. AND IN THESE INCREASINGLY INTERCONNECTED WORLD, THERE SHOULD BE A... THERE'S A GREAT ROLE TO PLAY AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY SUCCESSFUL CANADIANS OUT THERE PROVINCE THAT. SO TAPPING INTO THAT POWER WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. SO, YES, YOU'RE PROUD TO BE CANADIAN BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE RIGHT AWAY POSITIVELY INCLINED TOWARDS YOU, THE MINUTE YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE CANADIAN. SO IT'S A GREAT ADVANTAGE BEING A CANADIAN OUTSIDE CANADA.

Nam says I WANTED TO ASK ALL OF YOU: HOW DID YOU END UP LIVING WHERE YOU ARE LIVING? JEREMY, I'LL START WITH YOU.

Jeremy says YEAH, WELL, THE BEST SUPERVISOR FOR MY PH.D. TOPIC WAS AT THE LONDON SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS. SO I WENT THERE. AND THEN I GOT A JOB AT OXFORD WHICH WAS KIND OF FOR ME A DREAM JOB. THEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT COMING BACK TO CANADA, BUT A FEW YEARS AGO MET THE WOMAN WHO IS MY WIFE NOW. WE HAVE TWO KIDS. AND HER PARENTS LIVE HERE AND SHE DOESN'T WANT TO MOVE BACK TO CANADA.

Nam says THAT'S GREAT. MY HUSBAND IS FROM THE U.K. I MADE HIM MOVE BACK TO CANADA... WELL, AFTER FIVE YEARS THERE.

Jeremy says YOU HAVE BETTER NEGOTIATING SKILLS THAN I DO.

Nam says KIRSTINE, HOW DID YOU END UP IN L.A.?

Kirstine says MY HUSBAND IS CONSUL GENERAL. I WAS WORKING IN GENEVA FOR THE LAST YEAR, HAD MOVED TO THE NEW YORK OFFICE, AND THEN WHEN SUDDENLY EVERYTHING STARTED SHUTTING DOWN AND I STARTED COMMUTING BACK AND FORTH FROM NEW YORK TO L.A. TO SEE MY HUSBAND, WE DECIDED I'D BE WORKING FROM HERE, WORKING FROM HOME OUT OF L.A. BUT AS I SAID BEFORE, THIS IS I THINK MY THIRD STINT NOW IN THE STATES. WHEN I WAS WITH TWITTER, I WAS RUNNING THE NORTH AMERICAN MEDIA BUSINESS OUT OF NEW YORK. I WAS WITH HALLMARK RUNNING INTERNATIONAL CHANNELS OUT OF DENVER. SO I'VE HAD A FEW EXPERIENCES IN THE STATES. YOU KNOW, IT'S... ULTIMATELY, WE TALKED ABOUT WHY. SOMETIMES IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SCALE. LIKE, AS MUCH AS WE LOVE AND ENJOY AND WE CAN NURTURE OURSELVES AND REALLY LEARN AND GROW WITHIN CANADA, SOMETIMES YOU DO HAVE TO EXTEND OUTSIDE THOSE BORDERS IN ORDER TO REALLY KIND OF LIVE THE FULL EXPERIENCE OF YOUR POSSIBLE CAREER. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF FOLKS GO WHO END UP GOING. AGAIN, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY BRAIN DRAIN. THAT'S PART OF A CYCLE. HOPEFULLY YOU COME BACK AGAIN. BUT THIS IS NOW MY THIRD TIME IN THE STATES.

Nam says DOES IT FEEL KIND OF WEIRD OR STRANGE IN THIS COVID TIME? I KNOW YOU SAID YOU HAVE FAMILY HERE. YOU HAVE FAMILY THERE AS WELL.

Nadia says YEAH.

Nam says BUT NOT BEING ABLE TO KNOW WHEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR FAMILY IN CANADA?

Nadia says THAT'S REALLY TOUGH. I'VE GOT MY GIRLS WHO ARE GROWN... GROWN NOW. ONE IS OUT OF UNIVERSITY, ONE GRADUATED ACTUALLY INTO THIS KIND OF BAD MESS RIGHT NOW. MY PARENTS ARE THERE. BUT MOST OF MY FAMILY IS BACK FROM THE U.K. AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE BEEN USED TO LIVING A CONNECTED LIFE. COVID TIMES MAKE IT REALLY, REALLY TOUGH. I FEEL A BIT BETTER, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, KNOWING THEY'RE BACK IN CANADA. I FEEL THEY'RE A BIT SAFER WHERE THEY ARE THAN IF THEY WERE WITH ME, NECESSARILY. I KNOW THE CHALLENGE OF COVID IS EVERYWHERE AND THE CASES ARE RISING GLOBALLY, WHICH IS VERY SCARY FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED. BUT I THINK THERE IS A SENSE OF COMFORT IN KNOWING THAT WITH THE CANADIAN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, THEY'RE SITTING IN CANADA AND PROBABLY ARE PRETTY SAFE COMPARED TO WHERE THEY COULD BE ELSEWHERE.

Nam says YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN GREAT BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING THIS SHOW, BUT SOMETIMES THE TECH IS NOT WITH US. SO ANDREA, WE'VE LOST ANDREA BIBBS, WE'RE TRYING TO RECONNECT WITH HER. IN THE MEANTIME, WE'LL CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATION. NADIA, HOW DID YOU END UP LIVING ABROAD?

Nadia says WELL, SO I WENT ABROAD FOR MY JOB, MY PREVIOUS LIFE, CAREER LIFE, WAS ALL ABOUT REPRESENTING CANADA IN DIFFERENT PLACES AROUND THE GLOBE. YOU KNOW, AND TO KIRSTINE'S POINT ABOUT CYCLES, MY DECISION AT THIS TIME TO COME BACK TO CANADA AND MOVE TO TORONTO... I'M BORN AND RAISED IN OTTAWA... BUT TO MOVE TO TORONTO AND TO TAKE UP AN EXECUTIVE ROLE WITH MAPLE LEAF FOODS WAS REALLY ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IDEA OF EX-PAT CANADIANS WHO HAVE LIVED THE MAJORITY OR A VAST MAJORITY OF THEIR LIFE ABROAD, SEEING WHAT THE OPPORTUNITY IS TO GIVE BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY, TAKING WHAT THEY HAVE LEARNED, AND THEN COMING HOME TO MAKE THAT CONTRIBUTION, THEN WHO KNOWS? MAYBE ONE DAY, CONTINUING THAT CYCLE, AS KIRSTINE SAID AND GOING BACK OUT. BUT FOR ME IT WAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK FOR SUCH AN ICONIC CANADIAN BRAND WITH SUCH STRONG VALUES THAT ALIGNED WITH MY OWN, SEEING WHAT I HAD SEEN LIVING ABROAD AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY NOW TO GIVE BACK TO CANADA FROM HOME WAS SOMETHING THAT I JUST COULDN'T PASS UP.

Nam says WAS IT BITTERSWEET FOR YOU TO COME BACK? BECAUSE YOU HAD A COMMUNITY IN ATLANTA. YOU HAD FRIENDS. YOU HAD PEOPLE WHO WERE YOUR FRIENDS. WAS IT BITTERSWEET TO COME BACK?

Nadia says ABSOLUTELY, IT WAS BITTERSWEET TO COME BACK. IT WAS BITTERSWEET TO LEAVE GOVERNMENT AND JOIN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PLANET CANADA AND THIS CYCLE OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT. IT IS ABSOLUTELY BITTERSWEET TO LEAVE YOUR COUNTRY FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. BUT OF COURSE THEN, WHEN THE DECISION IS MADE TO THEN COME BACK HOME, IT'S ALSO BITTERSWEET TO LEAVE THE LIFE THAT YOU HAVE CREATED ABROAD. BUT, YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKE THIS IDEA OF CALLING IT A CYCLE. I THINK THAT THAT IS TRUE OF SO MANY THINGS IN LIFE AND FOR SURE IT'S TRUE WITH REGARDS TO CAREERS. YOU KNOW, BITTERSWEET TO LEAVE, BUT IT SURE DOES FEEL GOOD TO BE HOME.

Nam says WELL, WELCOME BACK. JEREMY, I LIVED IN THE U.K. FOR FIVE YEARS, AS I MENTIONED, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE MISTAKEN ME FOR BEING AMERICAN. I DON'T KNOW WHY I WOULD GET OFFENDED. I WOULD SAY, "NO, I'M CANADIAN." HAVE YOU GONE THROUGH THAT AND DO YOU CORRECT PEOPLE?

Jeremy says YES. WELL, THE FACT IS THAT, I MEAN, THE UNITED STATES IS MORE BELLIGERENT INTERNATIONALLY THAN CANADA IS, SO IN MANY COUNTRIES IT'S DANGEROUS TO BE AN AMERICAN, SO WE'RE QUITE HAPPY TO BE IDENTIFIED AS CANADIANS. AND WHEN I'VE TRAVELLED AROUND THE WORLD, A LOT OF AMERICANS PUT CANADIAN FLAGS ON THEIR BACKPACKS. AND JUST LISTENING TO ALL THESE WONDERFUL STORIES. I WENT AWAY, TWICE I WENT TO UNIVERSITY, MY UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE IN THE STATES. AND IN A WAY, IT'S NOT A BRAIN DRAIN, IT'S A BRAIN GAIN. WE GO AWAY, WE EXPAND OUR OWN HORIZONS AS CANADIANS. AND WE HAVE MAYBE EVEN MORE TO GIVE BACK WHEN WE'VE BEEN AWAY AND WHEN WE ARE AWAY. OVERALL, I AM PROUD TO BE CANADIAN. I DO CORRECT PEOPLE, BUT I DON'T GET ANGRY LIKE SOME CANADIANS DO. THE FACT IS THAT OUR ACCENT TO THE OUTSIDERS ARE DIFFICULT TO DISTINGUISH.

Nam says HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AMERICANS AND CANADIANS? NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

Jeremy says YOU KNOW, AMERICANS ARE JUST LIKE CANADIANS BUT A BIT MORE. SO OUR CULTURE IS, TO A LARGE DEGREE, NOT IN EVERY SENSE, BUT SHARED IN MANY WAYS. THE BACKGROUNDS ARE SHARED. BOTH COUNTRIES ARE MULTICULTURAL. BUT THE U.S. HAS A MORE VIOLENT BACKGROUND, AS A MORE VIOLENT CULTURE. THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO USE GUNS. MORE LIKELY TO BE A BIT LESS KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE REST OF THE WORLD. THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO BE A BIT LESS ABLE TO MAKE BRIDGES. AND OF COURSE I'M NOT GENERALIZING FOR ANY AMERICAN FRIENDS WATCHING, THAT THEY'RE BAD PEOPLE. THE FACT IS THERE ARE DIFFERENCES. AND ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN TO BOTH COUNTRIES NOTICES IT. WE'RE JUST A BIT MORE TEMPERED IN MANY IMPORTANT AND GOOD WAYS.

Nam says KIRSTINE, GIVEN THAT YOU'RE LIVING IN THE U.S., DOES THAT BOTHER YOU WHEN YOU'RE MISTAKEN FOR BEING AN AMERICAN?

Kirstine says NO, NO, AND IN THE END THEY KIND OF SAY, YEAH, I KIND OF HEAR IT IN YOUR ACCENT AND THEY DO PLACE ME AS CANADIANS AFTER I REVEAL MYSELF AND I'M CONSTANTLY WEARING RAPTORS T-SHIRTS AND PRETTY MUCH IDENTIFY MYSELF AS WE THE NORTH KIND OF PERSON ALL THE TIME. I MAKE IT PRETTY CLEAR. GOING TO WHAT JEREMY SAID AROUND THE DIFFERENCE AND HOW WE KIND OF ACT AND BEHAVE, AND I THINK, JUST FROM GENERAL EXPERIENCE, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT LEAVING CANADA BECAUSE OF THE NECESSITY TO GROW A CAREER WITH SCALE AND PERHAPS COMING TO THE STATES IS A PART OF THAT, BUT IT ALSO... WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IN CANADA AND THE WAY THAT WE KIND OF GROW OURSELVES IN OUR JOBS, IN OUR ROLES, IS BECAUSE OF OUR LACK OF SCALE MAYBE IS WE BECOME GENERALISTS. LIKE, IN THE STATES I FIND, THEY LIKE TO HIRE CANADIANS BECAUSE WE HAVE A BROADER VIEW, NOT JUST OF THE WORLD, BECAUSE CULTURALLY WE DO TEND TO TRAVEL MORE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT JEREMY WAS TALKING ABOUT, BUT ALSO JUST IN OUR ROLES IN OUR CAREERS. WE'VE DEVELOPED A CERTAIN KIND OF EXPERTISE THAT CAN MAKE US MORE KIND OF FLEXIBLE IN MULTIPLE ROLES. SO AT TIMES LIKE THESE ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET OURSELVES OUT OF THIS POST COVID RECESSION AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO REBUILD THINGS? BEING GENERALISTS AND BEING FLEXIBLE IN OUR JOBS, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SCALE TO SUPPORT SOMEONE DOING SOMETHING SO SPECIFIC THAT OUR ABILITY TO WORK ACROSS DEPARTMENTS, TO WORK ACROSS INDUSTRIES, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS OF REAL VALUE, AND I FIND THAT WHEN I GET HIRED AS A CANADIAN IN THE STATES, IT'S ALWAYS POINTED TO THE FACT THAT YOU CAN DO MORE THAN ONE JOB. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SKILL TO HAVE.

Nam says NADIA, BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE... WHEN WE DO TALK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES, CANADA HAS ITS CHALLENGES, WE KNOW THAT. BUT I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE SURPRISED TO KNOW THAT, ESPECIALLY THIS PAST SUMMER, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RACIAL INJUSTICE, BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT. I KNOW A LOT OF MY FRIENDS WHO ARE BLACK, PEOPLE OF COLOUR, WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO GO TO THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE OPPORTUNITIES THERE FOR THEM. WOULD THAT SURPRISE PEOPLE, NADIA, DO YOU THINK?

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Nadia says YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT MIGHT SURPRISE AMERICANS, FRANKLY, WHEN THEY HEAR THAT CANADIANS HAVE LEFT CANADA TO GO TO THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE THERE WAS A LACK OF OPPORTUNITY IN CANADA. I THINK THAT MANY AMERICANS SEE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES MUCH LIKE HOW JEREMY DESCRIBED IT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD OFTEN SAY TO ME, WOW, YOU LIVE IN THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, OR THE SECOND BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AFTER THEIR OWN, BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY PATRIOTIC. AND THEY WOULD BE SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT IN MANY SECTORS AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CORPORATE CANADA, MUCH OF THE TIME GAINING OPPORTUNITIES, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, TO REALLY SCALE YOUR CAREER, IS QUITE DIFFICULT IN CANADA. AND THAT... YOU KNOW, BY VIRTUE OF THE SIZE OF OUR ECONOMY, BUT ALSO BY VIRTUE OF, YOU KNOW, THE CULTURAL NORM THAT IS CANADA, YOU KNOW, WHICH, OF COURSE, IN SOME INSTANCES, ARE POSITIVE. NOT BEING TOO MUCH. NOT BEING TOO EXTRA. NOT WANTING TOO MUCH. NOT WANTING TO BE TOO BOASTFUL. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE POSITIVES IN MANY INSTANCES. BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING TO GROW A CAREER AND GET THOSE ENDORSEMENTS AND THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES YOU WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE BOASTFUL ABOUT YOU, WHO ARE GOING TO PUSH YOU TO WANT MORE AND DO MORE AND GAIN MORE. AND SO THAT REQUIRES YOU OFTENTIMES TO GO ABROAD, AND I THINK THAT MANY AMERICANS WOULD BE SURPRISED THAT THAT IS THE TRUTH THAT MANY CANADIANS FEEL WHEN THEY STAY IN CANADA.

Nam says ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT JOHN MAKES IN THE BOOK IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS COMING TO CANADA TO STUDY HERE, ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT HE MAKES IS THAT CANADIAN STUDENTS SHOULD ALSO LEAVE CANADA, TRAVEL ABROAD, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. NOT EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO FUNDS OR EVEN A DIFFERENT PASSPORT TO GO AND TRAVEL. JEREMY, SINCE YOU ARE IN THE U.K. AND AN ACADEMIC, WHAT DO YOU THINK CANADIAN STUDENTS WOULD GET BY STUDYING ABROAD?

Jeremy says THE MAIN THING YOU'D GET IS YOU'D REALIZE HOW GREAT CANADA IS BECAUSE YOU GET TO CONTRAST IT WITH WHERE YOU ARE. HERE IN THE U.K., IT'S A FANTASTIC PLACE. THEY HAVE THE VESTIGES OF THE CLASS SYSTEM. WE HAVE THAT IN CANADA TOO. BUT MANY IN THE U.K. THAT ARE PART OF THE UPPER CLASS ARE UNABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH AND RELATE TO THOSE THEY CONSIDER TO BE PART OF THE LOWER CLASS. AND THAT CREATES PROBLEMS, IT CREATES PROBLEMS DEALING WITH COVID, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THE GOVERNMENT BEHAVING IN CERTAIN WAYS THAT THE AVERAGE CANADIAN POLITICIAN JUST WOULDN'T DO. SO THE BENEFIT OF GOING AWAY IS YOU REALIZE WHAT IT IS TO BE CANADIAN MORE SO THAN YOU DO PARADOXICALLY IF YOU REMAIN IN CANADA. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WE TAKE FOR GRANTED LIKE, I MEAN, BREXIT HERE WAS ALMOST HALF OF A ONE PERCENT DIFFERENCE. PEOPLE STILL... IT'S PARALYZING THE COUNTRY. WHEREAS... I'M FROM MONTREAL, WE HAD A REFERENDUM THERE, SAME THING, ONE PERCENT DIFFERENCE. BUT THE NEXT DAY ALMOST, THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE JUST GET ON WITH IT AND ACCEPT THE RESULT. WHEREAS IN THE U.S., WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF IT'S A 1 percent DIFFERENCE IN THIS COMING ELECTION?

Nam says KIRSTINE, WE CAN'T HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND NOT TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE U.S. THE ELECTION IS DAYS AWAY. WHAT'S IT BEEN LIKE FOR YOU AS A CANADIAN TO WATCH AN ELECTION OF THIS MAGNITUDE UNFOLD DURING A GLOBAL PANDEMIC, AS A CANADIAN LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES?

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Kirstine says IT'S A FASCINATING TIME. I THINK WE'RE HERE WHILE HISTORY IS BEING MADE, IN WHATEVER WAY IT GETS MADE OVER THE NEXT WEEK. WE'RE SEEING CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN HAD BEFORE. WE'RE SEEING GROUPS THAT HAVE FELT THAT THEY WERE DISENFRANCHISED AND FOR MANY REASONS DIDN'T HAVE THE MICROPHONE, NOW HAVE THE MICROPHONE IN A REALLY POWERFUL WAY. IT'S JUST BEEN, AS AN OBSERVER, SOMEONE WHO CAN'T ACTUALLY VOTE IN THIS ELECTION BUT WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS A LOT OF OPINIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I LIVE AND WORK HERE, IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING... IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING TIME. I THINK WE ARE REALLY HERE AT A TIME WHEN HISTORY IS GOING TO BE MADE, AND TO SEE HOW THIS ALL UNFOLDS IS GOING TO BE A FASCINATING NEXT WEEK AHEAD.

Nam says NADIA, I HAVE TO BRING UP YOUR OLD JOB AGAIN. WHEN YOU WERE CONSUL GENERAL, YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME VERY REPUBLICAN REGIONS IN THE U.S. WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO WORK WITHIN A DIPLOMATIC CONTEXT WITH REPUBLICANS?

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Nadia says YOU KNOW, I GET ASKED THAT QUESTION ALL OF THE TIME, AND I FEEL LIKE MY ANSWER IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING. BUT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY THAT, AND MAYBE THIS IS BY VIRTUE OF MY TRAINING AND BY VIRTUE OF MY PERSONALITY, BUT IT WAS GOOD. I FOUND IT TO BE ONE OF THE MOST ABSOLUTELY DIFFICULT BUT MOST REWARDING AND CHALLENGING PARTS OF MY JOB, AND CHALLENGING IN A GOOD WAY. BECAUSE FOR ME, ONE OF MY CORE VALUES IS TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO YOU MAY OR MAY NOT DISAGREE... AGREE WITH, RIGHT, AND CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE WHOSE WORLD VIEWS MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN YOURS. BECAUSE TO ME, IT'S ONLY THROUGH DOING THAT THAT I CAN THEN IDENTIFY... AGAIN, I ALWAYS SAID TO PEOPLE AND I'M STEALING ACTUALLY A LINE FROM DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER FREELAND, SHE ALWAYS USED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I GET PAID BY CANADIAN TAXPAYERS IN CANADIAN DOLLARS. SO MY JOB IS TO THINK ABOUT CANADA, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY THROUGH TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO, ON THE FACE OF IT, HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS THAN I DO THAT I CAN REALLY START TO UNPACK, OKAY, WHAT IS IT THAT RELATES TO WHAT I AM TRYING TO BRING BACK TO CANADA IN THIS SITUATION, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THIS PERSON TEACHING ME ABOUT WHERE CANADA CAN SEE ITSELF? WE ALWAYS SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE U.S. SNEEZES, CANADA CATCHES A COLD. AND SO WHAT PEOPLE ARE SEEING IN AMERICA TODAY AND THIS TENSION AND THIS POINT IN TIME IN HISTORY, I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT CANADIANS, ESPECIALLY CANADIANS THAT ARE LIVING ABROAD, NEED TO BE WATCHING AND LISTENING AND LEARNING AND THEN BRINGING THOSE LEARNINGS BACK HOME FOR US TO LEARN AND TO DO BETTER HERE AT HOME, TO ENSURE THAT WHAT WE HAVE BUILT IN THE COUNTRY IS KEPT INTACT AND AMELIORATED TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. AND TO ME MY TIME IN THE SOUTHEAST U.S.A. TAUGHT ME THAT IN SPADES AND I LEARNED SO MUCH FROM EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS AND POLITICIAN AND BUSINESS PERSON THAT I ENGAGED IN, NO MATTER WHAT THE STRIPE.

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Nam says I THINK WE CAN ONLY FINISH UP ON THAT, NADIA. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU TO KIRSTINE AND JEREMY. UNFORTUNATELY WE WEREN'T ABLE TO RECONNECT WITH ANDREA. ANDREA, WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

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