Transcript: A Summer of Politics During a Pandemic | Sep 11, 2020

Steve stands in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and striped gray tie. A wall screen behind him reads "The week in review."

Music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve says "THE AGENDA'S" FIRST WEEK OF THIS OUR 15th SEASON LOOKED AT KIDS' MENTAL HEALTH DURING THIS PANDEMIC AND WHAT THE ECONOMY NEEDS IN THE DAYS AND MONTHS AHEAD TO RECOVER. "THE AGENDA'S" WEEK IN REVIEW BEGINS WITH GETTING CAUGHT UP ON A SUMMER OF CANADIAN POLITICS.

Music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

A guest speaks on screen as a caption "Canadian politics in the time of COVID-19. Is an election coming?"

Then, it changes to "Jeffrey Simpson. University of Ottawa."

Jeffrey is in his sixties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He's wearing glasses, a blue jacket and a blue shirt.

He says WHEN Mr. MORNEAU WAS SHOWN THE DOOR... I MEAN HE RESIGNED BECAUSE YOU COULD SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO HIM... HE HAD NO SUPPORT IN THE CABINET, THE BUSINESS HAVE NO BUSINESS LIBERALS ANYMORE. THE LIBERAL CABINET UNLESS THE PAST GOING BACK TO PIERRE TRUDEAU AND JEAN CHRETIEN ALWAYS HAD BENDING RULES LIBERALS AND BUSINESS LIBERALS. THIS GOVERNMENT HAS NO LIBERALS. THEY'RE ALL SPENDING LIBERALS EVERY ONE OF THEM INCLUDING THE PRIME MINISTER. SO THE NEXT BUDGET'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY EXPANSIONIST. MONEY WILL BE SPENT LEFT, RIGHT AND CENTRE. AND IT'S AT THAT POINT THAT THEY'LL USE THE SKILLS THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY FROM OUR FRIENDS AS TO WHETHER THEY SHOULD GO FOR AN ELECTION OR NOT OF THE LAST THING IS ELECTIONS ARE VERY UNPREDICTABLE. MR. TRUDEAU OUGHT TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME HE WON HE STARTED IN THIRD PLACE AND TOM MULCAIR WAS MEASURES THE TRAINS AT 24 SUSSEX DRIVE AND THE LIBERALS WON THE ELECTION. LAST TIME THEY DID THAT DURING THE CAMPAIGN. IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE POLLING NUMBERS SHOW THE LIBERALS AHEAD BY 12 POINTS AMONG WOMEN BUT IF THEY'RE EVEN WITH THE CONSERVATIVES OVERALL THEY HAVE TO BE ABOUT 12 POINTS BEHIND ON MEN. THAT'S THE PROBLEM FOR THE LIBERALS IT'S HARD TO FORM A MAJORITY WHEN YOU ARE 12 POINTS BEHIND ON MEN.

Steve says SEAN I WOULD ASK YOU TO JOIN IN ON THE POTENTIAL FUTURE FOR THE CONSERVATIVES IN AS MUCH AS YOU HAVE THE WE SCANDAL THAT IS OUT OF THE HEADLINES RIGHT NOW BUT CERTAINLY HAS A PLACE IN THE PUBLIC CONSCIOUSNESS. HAVING SAID THAT, ERIN O'TOOLE HAS HIS PATH FORWARD AS THE LEADER. HOW DIFFICULT IS THAT TO HAVE A THRONE SPEECH WHEN YOU KNOW YOU LITERATE RALLY HAVE A GUY WHO'S IN HIS FIRST MONTH AS LEADER.

The caption changes to "Sean Speer. University of Toronto."

Sean is in his late thirties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair gelled back. He's wearing a dark blue jacket and a blue shirt.

He says GIVEN A POTENTIAL OF AN ELECTION MERE WEEKS AWAY HE HAS HIS HANDS FULL. GIVEN THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE TRUDEAU TEAM WOULD WANT AN ELECTION I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES. THE ONE ENTITY NOT ON SHACHI'S POLLING FIGURES IS DONALD TRUMP. WHO IS DEEPLY UNPOPULAR WITH THE CANADIAN PUBLIC. AND I THINK Mr. TRUDEAU'S TEAM WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE THE PROSPECT OF RUNNING A PARALLEL CAMPAIGN IN CANADA WHILE THE U.S. PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION SLUMPS ON. Mr. TRUMP WILL BE COUNTED ON TO SAY OUTRAGEOUS THINGS. AND Mr. O'TOOLE WOULD BE FORCED TO SPEND MOST OF THE CAMPAIGN RESPONDING TO QUESTIONS ABOUT Mr. TRUMP AND THE EXTENT TO WHICH HIS PARTY AND HIS VISION CONVERGES OR DIVERGES WITH THE POLARIZING PRESIDENT. THE OTHER REASON WHY I THINK THE LIBERALS WOULD LIKE A CAMPAIGN IS IF THEY'RE BROUGHT BACK WITH THE MAJORITY, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PUT THE STICK IN THE SPOKES OF THE WE INVESTIGATION. THE ONLY REASON WE'VE GOTTEN AS FAR AS WE HAVE, OF COURSE, IS BECAUSE OPPOSITION MEMBERS PRESENTLY MAKE UP A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEES INVESTIGATING THE GRANT TO THE WE CHARITY. PROROGATION WAS A SHORT-TERM A TOTAL TO SLOW THAT PROCESS DOWN. A MAJORITY... A NEW MAJORITY MANDATE WOULD BE WHAT THE LIBERALS NEED TO SHUT IT DOWN. AND SO I THINK ALL OPPOSITION LEADERS, INCLUDING Mr. O'TOOLE FACE A DIFFICULT QUESTION. IN HOW THEY ULTIMATELY VOTE ON THE SPEECH FROM THE THRONE AND PERHAPS ON A FEDERAL BUDGET. I THINK THERE WILL BE PLENTY THERE FOR THE CONSERVATIVES TO OPPOSE AND REJECT. I THINK MORE PRESSURE WILL BE ON Mr. SINGH AND WHETHER THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS PREPARED TO SUPPORT THE LIBERALS GIVEN THE LIKELIHOOD, AS JEFFREY SAYS, THAT THE SPEECH FROM THE THRONE AND THE BUDGET WILL ADVANCE SEVERAL PROGRESSIVE PRIORITIES. IS THAT ENOUGH TO SECURE NDP SUPPORT OR NOT I THINK WILL BE THE MAJOR QUESTION IN THE UPCOMING PARLIAMENTARY SESSION.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Steve says LET ME GET VICKY TO PICK UP THE STORY THERE ON THE SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC PART OF THE POLITICAL LEDGER. AND TO THAT END, VICKY, MAYBE I CAN ASK YOU TO REACT TO IT IN THIS RESPECT. YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST TWO DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION RACES, A SELF-DECLARED. SEPTUAGENARIAN SOCIALIST HAS BEEN RIGHT THERE AT THE FINISH LINE, SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS.

The caption changes to "Sean Speer, @Sean_Speer."

Sean continues AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT DEMOCRATIC PARTY I GUESS THEY CALL THEMSELVES THE SQUAD LED BY AOC, ALEXANDRA OCASIO-CORTEZ WHO IS A SELF-DECLARED SOCIALIST FROM NEW YORK AND UNAPOLOGETICALLY ARGUING FOR A MUCH LARGER ROLE FOR GOVERNMENT. THEY'RE VERY POPULAR IN SOME PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW IN THE WAY THAT THE NDP JUST IS NOT IN CANADA. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS: HOW DOES THE NDP MAYBE TRY TO BENEFIT FROM SOME OF THAT RADICALISM HAPPENING IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW?

The caption changes to "Vicky Mochama. Journalist. @vmochama."

Vicky is in her thirties, with short curly brown hair. She's wearing a black sweater and pendant earrings.

She says I THINK THE QUESTION FOR JAGMEET SINGH IS HAS HE BEEN ABLE TO CARRY THE MOMENTUM OF HIS WIN INTO HIS ROLE AS LEADER OF THE PARTY. AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE NECESSARILY SEEN THAT FROM HIM. PART OF IT IS THE LACK OF CASH THAT THEY HAVE AS A PARTY. AND SO THE IDEA OF AN ELECTION FOR THEM IS NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, ONE THEY WANT TO ANSWER AND THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAD INTO AN ELECTION. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE UNWILLING TO BE UNABASHED SUPPORTERS OF LABOUR EFFORTS, OF RIGHTS FOR WORKERS OF SPEAKING IN THE LANGUAGE OF SOCIALISM. PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF THAT IS THAT THE AMERICAN SOCIALISTS ARE ASKING FOR SOME OF THE THINGS CANADA ALREADY HAS. THEY'RE ASKING FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE. THEY'RE ASKING FOR EXTENDED SICK LEAVE. THEY'RE ASKING FOR THINGS THAT A LOT OF CANADIANS DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE IN THE COUNTRY ALREADY HAVE. SO WHAT DOES THAT KIND OF SOCIALISM THAT IS POPULAR IN THE NDP AMONGST YOUNG WOMEN WHO WILL LARGELY SUPPORT THE NDP, WHERE IS THAT GOING TO COME FROM FOR JAGMEET SINGH? HOW IS HE GOING TO ARTICULATE THAT? I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION FOR THE NDP, THE LIBERALS AND THE CONSERVATIVES IN THAT VIDEO MESSAGE FROM ERIN O'TOOLE ON LABOUR DAY HE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT CLASS. AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THREE OF THEM HAVE BACKED DOWN OFF THE QUESTIONS OF RACE. BUT I THINK ARE GOING TO SPEND THE NEXT FEW MONTHS... ELECTION OR NO... TALKING ABOUT THE CLASS IMPACT THAT THIS PANDEMIC HAS HAD. AND HOW IT HAS AFFECTED DIFFERENT PEOPLE DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE. THEY'RE POSSIBLY GOING TO GO AFTER THE MIDDLE CLASS.

The caption changes to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

Vicky continues BUT I THINK THE LIBERALS WITH THE TEASERS THAT THEY'VE PUT OUT ABOUT THE BUDGET ARE MAYBE RETURNING TO JUSTIN TRUDEAU'S ATTEMPTS AT THAT FAIRNESS AGENDA AT GOING AFTER THE WEALTHY, AT EXPANDING SOCIAL PROGRAMS. AND ARE MAYBE GOING TO NOW LISTEN TO WHAT THE NDP HAVE TO SAY ABOUT QUESTIONS AROUND A UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME, EXPANDED TRANSIT SUPPORTS, GREEN TRANSPORT, THOSE THINGS. I THINK FOR JAGMEET SINGH HE HAS PULLED BACK ON SOME OF THE NDP AGENDA. BUT NOW HAS A WINDOW AN AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE AND VOCIFEROUS IN HIS SUPPORT OF WHAT THE NDP HAS TO OFFER.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve appears on split screens with four guests.

A caption reads "Will the economy ever go back to 'normal'? The road to recovery."

Steve says HOW ARE WE DOING ECONOMICALLY RIGHT NOW?

The caption changes to "Armine Yalnizyan. Atkinson Foundation."

Armine is in her late forties, with shoulder-length wavy gray hair. She's wearing glasses and a printed blouse.

She says SO YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS IS THE BIGGEST DOWNTURN EVER IN OUR HISTORY AND IT'S ALSO NOTABLE FOR THE FACT THAT IT HIT WOMEN AND LOW PAID WORKERS HARDEST FIRST. AND THEIR CLIMB BACK HAS BEEN VERY MUTED COMPARED TO OTHER FORMS OF REBOUNDING. SO WHAT WE'RE WITNESSING IS YES A BOUNCE BACK BUT THE BOUNCE BACK ITSELF IS SLOWING DOWN. AND ONE COULD SAY, GIVEN WHERE WE ARE AT IN THE CYCLE OF THE SEASON AND FLU SEASON COMING UP AND PEOPLE NOW STARTING TO GET TOGETHER AGAIN IN CLASSROOMS AND IN BARS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, THIS IS PROBABLY AS GOOD AS IT GETS. WE ARE NOT LIKELY TO SEE THE SAME RATE OF BOUNCE BACK AS WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY WHICH SHOULD GIVE US ALL PAUSE.

Steve says TREVIN, LET ME PUT YOU TO WORK HERE. DO YOU AGREE WITH ARMINE IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE AT ECONOMICALLY?

The caption changes to "Trevin Stratton. Canadian Chamber of Commerce."

Trevin is in his thirties, with side-parted wavy black hair and a full beard. He's wearing a blue suit, white shirt, and dark blue tie.

He says I THINK WHERE WE ARE AT IS WE'VE ENTERED THE SECOND PHASE OF THE ECONOMIC ASPECTS OF THE PANDEMIC WHERE OUR RECOVERY IS GOING TO BE CHARACTERIZED BY OUR ECONOMY OPERATING BELOW CAPACITY. THE FIRST PHASE WAS OBVIOUSLY PUTTING OUR ECONOMY INTO A MEDICALLY INDUCED COMA WHERE WE SHUT A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES AND WE SAW HISTORIC DECLINES IN GDP, JOB LOSSES, ET CETERA. AS PROVINCES AND AT THIS TIMES STARTED TO REOPEN AND BUSINESSES STARTED TO REOPEN, WE OBVIOUSLY SAW A BOUNCE BACK IN TERMS OF JOBS, IN TERMS OF GROWING, IN TERMS OF CONSUMER CONFIDENCE AS WELL. WHEN YOU WE BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN UP TO PRE-COVID LEVELS AND WE ARE NOT THAT CLOSE TO DOING SO. WHAT WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS JUST THIS GAP BETWEEN THE INITIAL REBOUND AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE NECESSARY TO GET TO INITIAL... TO GET TO FULL RECOVERY. AND SO IN TERMS OF THE PROJECTIONS MOST PEOPLE WERE PROBABLY LOOKING AT EARLY 2022 WHEN WE GET BACK TO NORMAL. MAYBE GET BACK TO PREVOST KID LEVELS. BUT AS ARMINE MENTIONED THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT VARIABLES THAT MIGHT AXLE RIGHT OR SLOW DOWN THAT PROCESS. FIRST OF ALL, IT IS DEFINITELY A SECOND WAVE THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY BAD CASE SCENARIO BUT SECONDLY IS ALSO WHAT THE GOVERNMENT RESPONSE WILL BE AND CERTAINLY WE HAVE A THRONE SPEECH COMING UP THIS MONTH AS WELL AND WE'LL SEE WHETHER THE GOVERNMENT PUTS IN PLACE WHAT WILL ACTUALLY GET US TOWARD GROWTH. AND THEN THIRDLY THERE'S ALSO LOOKING AT THE INTERNATIONAL SCENARIO WHICH WILL HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON CANADA AND ALL CANADIANS AS WELL. PARTICULARLY WITH THE U.S. ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Steve says JENNIFER MAYBE I CAN GET YOU TO PICK UP THE STORY. PEOPLE ARE WONDERING WHEN DO WE GET BACK TO NORMAL, WHATEVER NORMAL MEANS. AS YOU LOOK AT THINGS, WHAT DO YOU COME UP WITH?

The caption changes to "Jennifer Robson. Carleton University."

Jennifer is in her thirties, with long wavy brown hair. She's wearing a black shirt.

She says I WISH I HAD A FIRM TIME LINE THAT I COULD GIVE FOLKS. YOU KNOW, I THINK THE STAGE THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT FULL RECOVERY. WE ARE IN KIND OF THAT REHAB STAGE AFTER HAVING GONE THROUGH THAT MEDICALLY INDUCED COMA. I'M GOING TO BORROW A TERM THAT'S GETTING TRACTION IN THE UNITED STATES AND TALK ABOUT THIS AS A K-SHAPED RECOVERY. MEANING SOME SECTORS, SOME WORKERS ARE DOING NOT BAD. IF YOU ARE A HIGHER WAGE EARNER, ACTUALLY YOU'VE DEFINITELY MADE UP ALL OF THE LOSSES IN TERMS OF YOUR HOURS. BUT WE ARE STILL SEEING 1.8 MILLION WORKERS UNEMPLOYED OR WHO HAVEN'T REGAINED ALL THEIR PRE-COVID HOURS. UNEMPLOYMENT IS STILL OVER 10 percent. THE SLOPE OF THE EMPLOYMENT GAINS IS STARTING TO FLATTEN. THIS IS NOT THE CURVE WE WANT TO BE FLATTENING AND THERE ARE BIG GAPS THAT WE ARE SEEING THIS IS RE- BI BIFURCATION. WHETHER YOU HAVE KIDS, INDIGENOUS FAMILIES WELL. FRANKLY THE DATA IS ALSO STARTING TO SHOW WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTRY IS ALSO GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. SO IT'S A REALLY TRICKY SPOT THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW. MY CONCERN IS NOT ONLY DO WE GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE IN TERMS OF THE AGGREGATE BUT DO WE BRING EVERYBODY ALONG WITH US?

Steve says AVERY I GATHER WE ARE STILL DOWN A MILLION JOBS WHAT'S YOUR SENSE IN TERMS OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THOSE MILLION PEOPLE BACK INTO THE WORKFORCE?

The caption changes to "Avery Shenfeld. CIBC."

Avery is in his late forties, clean-shaven, with short wavy gray hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt and black tie.

He says UNFORTUNATELY I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS WE'VE PICKED THE LOW HANGING FRUIT AND NOW WE NEED A LADDER TO GET TO THE REST OF THE TREE. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THE JOBS WE QUICKLY RECOVERED ARE IN SECTORS WHERE WE CAN OPERATE REASONABLY WELL WITH SOCIAL DISTANCING.

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Avery continues I THINK YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF OUR GUESTS HERE SITTING AT HOME SO THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO CAN WORK FROM HOME AND THERE ARE THE SECTORS WHERE YOU CAN DO THAT. WE REOPENED STORES AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RESCUED THE ECONOMY I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IN THE MASKED MAN. WE HAD SUPERHEROES RUNNING AROUND WITH MASKS THAT LET US OPEN MORE OF THE ECONOMY SUCCESSFULLY THAN WE MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT BACK IN APRIL. BUT THE PROBLEM IS SOME SECTORS, THINGS LIKE CONCERT HALLS, CONVENTION CENTRES, AIRLINES, THINGS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF PERSONAL CONTACT NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT. THOSE SECTORS ARE BASICALLY AT ZERO. I MEAN THEY'RE NOT IN A RECESSION, THEY'RE IN A DEPRESSION IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF FLIGHTS, WEDDING HALLS AND SO ON.

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Avery continues THERE ARE A LOT OF SECTORS THAT ARE BASICALLY STILL AT ZERO AND I'M AFRAID THAT WITHOUT THE LADDER TO PICK THE HIGH FRUIT AND I THINK THE LAD CERTIFY A VACCINE OR A TREATMENT RATHER THAN SOME MAGICAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM, THE BEST WE ARE GOING TO DO FOR A WHILE FOR THOSE SECTORS IS HELP PEOPLE OUT WITH GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve sits in the studio with a caption that reads "Will the kids be okay? Coping."

Steve says PETER, HOW STRONG A SENSE OF THE DAMAGE DONE TO CHILDREN BY BEING OUT OF SCHOOL FOR SO LONG DO YOU THINK YOUR PROFESSION CURRENTLY HAS?

The caption changes to "Peter Szatmari. Centre for Addiction and Mental Health."

Peter is in his fifties, with short brown hair and a goatee. He's wearing a black suit and a white shirt.

He says WELL, I THINK WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM. I MEAN, THERE IS A FAIR BIT OF LITERATURE EMPHASIZING HOW RESILIENT KIDS ARE IN THE CONTEXT OF DISASTER. BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE THE SOCIAL ISOLATION THAT RONNIE MENTIONED HAS GONE ON FOR A LONG TIME. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCES ABOUT THAT. AND IT DOES SUGGEST THAT THIS COULD HAVE LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES UNLESS WE BEGIN TO REPAIR THE SOCIAL ISOLATION THAT THE KIDS HAVE EXPERIENCED OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR SO.

Steve says CAN WE TALK, RONALD, ABOUT HOW INCREASED SCREEN TIME IS AFFECTING EITHER POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY CHILDREN RIGHT NOW IN THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO? WHAT ARE YOU FINDING?

The caption changes to "Ronald Cohn. The Hospital for Sick Children."

Ronald is in his fifties, clean-shaven and balding. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit and a blue shirt.

He says SO I THINK WE NEED TO FIRST START THE PRE-PANDEMIC SCIENTISTS FROM ACROSS THE WORLD INCLUDING OUR ONLY SCIENTISTS FROM SICK KIDS AND UNITY HEALTH HAVE SHOWN THAT SCREEN TIME IS ALREADY HAVING A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON CHILDREN. NOW I JUST WANT YOU TO PRACTICALLY THINK IT THROUGH THAT CHILDREN... OR AT LEAST SOME CHILDREN... AND EVEN MOVING FORWARD, WILL NOW SITED FOR HOURS IN FRONT OF A COMPUTER BECAUSE THEY NEED TO TEACH, THEY NEED TO BE TAUGHT, AND NEED TO LEARN. AND IF THEY THEN KEEP ISOLATED FROM THEIR FRIENDS, THEIR ONLY WAY TO INTERACT WITH THEM IS THROUGH EITHER SOCIAL MEDIA AND FACE TIME OR THE PHONES. SO WE ARE DEALING AGAIN WITH SCREEN TIME. SO WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF CHILDREN WHO MAY SIT IN FRONT OF ANY TYPE OF SCREEN FOR SIX-TO-EIGHT HOURS TODAY. SO WE ARE JUST EXPONENTIALLY ACCELERATING AND INCREASING THE PROBLEM THAT WE ALREADY HAVE WITH SCREEN TIME BEFORE THE PANDEMIC STARTED.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Steve says COULD I GET YOU THEN, RONALD TO OFFER THE PARENTS SOME ADVICE? BECAUSE AT SOME POINT OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, EVERY PARENT HAD TO INDICATE TO HIS OR HER SCHOOL BOARD MY KID IS GOING TO GO BACK OR MY KID IS NOT GOING TO GO BACK. ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, IF YOU ARE REASONABLY ASSURED THAT SCHOOL IS A PANDEMICALLY SAFE PLACE TO BE, IS THERE ANY QUESTION BUT THAT THE KID SHOULD BE GOING BACK?

Ronald says I THINK BY AND LARGE I WOULD SAY KIDS SHOULD BE GOING BACK TO SCHOOL. BUT IT IS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, A VERY INDIVIDUAL DECISION. EVERY FAMILY HAS TO LOOK AT WHAT THEIR SCHOOL IS ABLE TO PUT IN PLACE IN TERMS OF THE BUNDLED MEASURES IN ORDER TO MITIGATE RISK FROM INFECTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND ALSO LOOK AT THEIR OWN FAMILY SITUATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BY AND LARGE, I THINK IF PARENTS CAN GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA OF SENDING THEIR CHILDREN BACK TO SCHOOL, THEN THAT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY. BUT THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER MEASURES THAT COME INTO PLAY HERE THAT GENERALLY RECOMMENDING THIS WITHOUT AN INDIVIDUAL APPROACH WOULD BE THE WRONG ONE.

Steve says ANDREA, WE HAVE SORT OF BEEN FOCUSING ON RIGHT NOW CHILDREN MISSING THEIR FRIENDS. AS, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW BUT THE ISOLATION DURING THIS PANDEMIC GOES WELL BEYOND FRIENDS. GRANDPARENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, OR OLDER RELATIVES OR PEOPLE, FRIENDS OF PARENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN A PART OF KIDS' LIVES ARE PROBABLY NOT NOW BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC. AND CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTING YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY?

The caption changes to "Andrea Gonzalez. McMaster University."

Andrea is in her forties, with long curly chestnut hair. She's wearing a black cardigan, a white blouse, and a silver pendant necklace.

She says YEAH, WE DID LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT CERTAIN HOUSEHOLDS WERE MULTIGENERATIONAL HOUSEHOLDS BECAUSE WE HAD SOME OF THAT DATA IN TERMS OF HOUSEHOLD COMPOSITION. AND WE DIDN'T REALLY FIND ANY DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF THAT. AGAIN, WITH SOME OF THE TEXT RESPONSES A VERY CONSISTENT THEME THAT WAS COMING OUT WAS SEPARATION FROM FAMILY AND ISOLATION FROM OTHER EXTENDED FAMILY MEMBERS AND THE IMPACT NOT ONLY ON THE CHILD, BUT ON THE CAREGIVERS THEMSELVES. AND LOSING ALL THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT. SO LOSING SCHOOL AND OTHER PARTS IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT ALSO LOSING THAT CONTACT AND SUPPORT FROM EXTENDED FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ALSO MIGHT PROVIDE SOME CARE GIVING RELIEF WAS A CONSISTENT MESSAGE THAT CAME OUT WITH THE SURVEY AS WELL.

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Steve says SO AS MUCH AS KIDS MAY COMPLAIN ABOUT GOING TO THEIR GRANDPARENTS THEY ACTUALLY DO MISS THEM WHEN THEY CAN'T SEE THEM?

Andrea says I THINK SO, ABSOLUTELY.

[LAUGHTER]

Steve says GOOD TO KNOW.

Ronald says IT'S THE SAME WITH SCHOOL. THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT SCHOOL BUT NOW THEY MISS SCHOOL.

Steve says INTERESTING. OKAY. LET'S... SHELDON LET'S GO TO GRAPHIC THREE IF WE CAN. BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO SHOW SOME MORE RESULTS FROM THE ONTARIO PARENT SURVEY. THIS IS NOT JUST ON THE KIDS BUT ON THE PARENTS OF THE KIDS.

A slate appears on screen showing a drawing of a broken piggy bank.

Steve reads data from the slate and says
34 percent REPORTED SOME LOSS OF INCOME. 46 percent REPORTED THAT A HOUSE HOLD MEMBER HAD APPLIED FOR FINANCIAL HELP. OFFERED BY THE FEDERAL OR PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT. SO THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY COVERED OFF DURING THE COURSE OF THIS PANDEMIC. AND DURING THE NEXT ONE, GRAPHIC 4. 57 percent OF CAREGIVERS MET THE CRITERIA OF DEPRESSION. 57 percent. AND 30 percent OF CAREGIVERS REPORTED MODERATE TO HIGH LEVELS OF ANXIETY. OKAY. LET'S GET INTO THIS. RONALD COHN HOW DOES THIS AFFECT CHILDREN?

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Ronald says SO THANK YOU ACTUALLY FOR SHARING AND SHOWING THIS DATA. BECAUSE I THINK IT TELLS US THAT CHILDREN DON'T LIVE IN THEIR OWN ISOLATION. THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY PART OF THE WHOLE FAMILY AND THE ANXIETY EXISTS ALL IN SOCIETY AND THAT TRANSLATES TO SOME OF THE ANXIETY IN THE FAMILY. YOU CAN PROBABLY IMAGINE THERE IS NO SINGLE HOUSEHOLD IN CANADA WHO HASN'T BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS ALL THE TIME. AND THEN IF YOU ADD ON ADDITIONAL STRESSES LIKE FINANCIAL INSTABILITY OR POTENTIAL PROBLEMS WITH GOING BACK TO WORK AND NOW IT'S GOING BACK TO SCHOOL WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS AS THE CHILDREN AS PART OF THE FAMILY AND AS WE TRY TO ADDRESS THE ANXIETY LEVELS OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. PARTICULARLY. IT IS THE CHILDREN, BUT IT'S ALSO THEIR PARENTS AND WE NEED TO SUPPORT THEM AS MUCH AS WE SUPPORT THE CHILDREN.

The clips end and Steve stands in the studio alone.,

He says AND THAT'S JUST SOME OF WHAT WE COVERED THIS WEEK ON "THE AGENDA." FOR MORE INCLUDING THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN FULL YOU CAN ALWAYS VISIT OUR WEBSITE THAT'S TVO.ORG OR OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL AT youtube.com/theagenda. OR OUR TWITTER FEED, THAT'S twitter.com/TheAgenda.

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