Transcript: Watching the Bird Watchers | Jul 24, 2020

Nam sits inside a living room with a glass door and houseplants in the background. She's wearing glasses, a polka-dotted blue blazer and a blue blouse.

A caption on screen reads "Watching the bird watchers. Nam Kiwanuka, @namshine, @theagenda."

Nam says IT'S THE HEIGHT OF SUMMER, AND COVID OR NOT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO NOT WANT TO GET OUTSIDE. AND AS WE CELEBRATE TVO'S 50TH YEAR, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO LOOK TO THE PAST FOR SOME ADVICE ON WHAT TO DO THIS PHYSICALLY DISTANCING SUMMER, FROM A SEGMENT WE TAPED ON STUDIO 2 WAY BACK IN 1999, YES, 21 YEARS AGO! LET'S TAKE A LOOK...

A clip plays.

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Fast clips show customized car plates that read "we bird, owl, birders, cnwitz, 729 ers, NC5416, 02 bird." A sign belonging to an inn reads "Welcome bird watchers. We can serve breakfast early."

A young woman says BIRDERS ARE CRAZY PEOPLE. BECAUSE WE GET UP BEFORE DAWN JUST TO SEE THE BIRDS.

Cheerful music plays as clips show dozens of people walking in parks or in the wilderness, watching birds through binoculars.

A blond woman in her fifties says I HAVE ENJOYED WATCHING THE BIRD WATCHERS A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN I ENJOY WATCHING THE BIRDS. THE BIRD WATCHERS ARE JUST... THEY ARE FASCINATING.

A man in his fifties imitates a bird calling.

The blond woman continues THE DEFINITION OF SPECIES BIRD WATCHER IS A LITTLE OLDER, USUALLY VERY WELL EDUCATED. THEY HAVE MONEY TO SPEND. THEY ARE AFFLUENT. THEY DO RESEARCH BEFORE THEY COME. THEY ACTUALLY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE PLACE THAT THEY ARE VISITING, THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SEE BEFORE THEY GET HERE. THEY ARE NOT SPUR OF THE MOMENT PEOPLE.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Lea Martell. Friends of Point Pelee."

Lea continues THEY ARE 2 PERCENT OF ALL OF THE BIRD WATCHERS I SEE. FROM THE TIME THEY WERE VERY YOUNG, HAVE LOOKED AT BIRDS AND HAVE KEPT A LIFE LIST. THEY KEEP RECORDS OF THE SIZE AND THE WHERE AND THE WEATHER AND WHAT IT WAS AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING, AND THEY DO THAT FOR THEIR WHOLE LIFE. THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE SOCIAL ASPECTS OF THIS HOBBY OF BIRD WATCHING. IT'S A JOB. THEY DO NOT SHARE INFORMATION. THEY ARE VERY anal AND I CAN'T SAY THAT.

A female voice says YES, YOU CAN.

Lea laughs.

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Now Lea stands next to a man in his fifties and says THIS IS ONE OF THE BIRDER PERSONALITIES I RUN INTO DAILY HERE AT POINT PELEE NATIONAL PARK AND THIS IS GARY HORTON AND HE IS A SHARER OF INFORMATION.

Gary, clean-shaven, with short gray hair, says BIRDING IS A GIFT. IT'S A GIFT FROM ABOVE AND YOU HANDLE IT. YOU EITHER ACCEPT IT OR YOU DON'T AND YOU HAVE TO SHARE IT. THAT'S POSSIBLE THAT IF I WAS GIVEN A GIFT OF GOOD EYESIGHT AND AN ABILITY TO GET IT ACROSS TO PEOPLE, THAT I WAS CHOSEN TO SPREAD THE WORD THAT BIRDING IS AN EASY WAY OF RELIEVING STRESS AND HAVING A REAL GREAT TIME.

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Fast clips show small groups of people standing in the wilderness looking up.

A woman says THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE.

Another woman says SURE IT IS. I ONLY WAITED TWO DAYS.

Now an unseen female reporter facing a woman says CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT KIND OF BIRDER YOU ARE?

The woman, in her sixties, says YES. I AM A FEMALE REDHEADED WEEKEND BIRDER.

A man in his late sixties traveling on a tour bus says WE USE THE TERM PSYCHOTIC BECAUSE WE CHASE EVERY BIRD. WE HAVE BEEN TO VENEZUELA, ECUADOR, AFRICA.

A bearded blond man in his thirties says AVID COMES TO MIND. AN AVID BIRDER.

A woman in her sixties says AN AMATEUR. RANK AMATEUR.

A woman in her forties says I HAVE A SLIGHT STRAIN. YOU CAN BE A MIXED BIRDER OR A SLIGHT, SLIGHT STRAIN OF LISTENER BUT I LIKE THE EXPERIENCE. I LIKE WATCHING BIRDS.

A man in his forties carrying a professional camera tripod says I WOULD DESCRIBE MYSELF AS A BIRDING ENTHUSIAST. I USED TO LIST YEARS AGO BUT I STOPPED DOING THAT AND NOW I ENJOY.

The woman in her forties says ABSOLUTELY A LISTER. MANY WON'T ADMIT THEY DO IT EVEN THIS GROUP HERE. AS YOU CAN SEE, REALLY COMPULSIVE. LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE EQUIPMENT. EVEN THEY WON'T SAY THEY ARE LISTERS. THEY WILL SAY THEY ARE OUT HERE FOR THE EXPERIENCE.

A man in his sixties says MY WIFE SAYS I AM A FANATIC BIRDER.

Lea says AND THEN WE HAVE THE PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO ARE 50 AND HAVE MORE TIME ON THEIR HANDS AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T PLAY TENNIS ANY MORE BECAUSE MY KNEES JUST CAN'T STAND IT ANY MORE, AND SO I DO BIRD WATCHING BECAUSE IT' EASY TO DO. I CAN SIT ON THE BENCH WHEN I GET TIRED AND I WATCH THE BIRDS SO IT FITS INTO MY LIFESTYLE.

A man in his forties says THE PART OF IT I LIKE IS AS PART OF A BABY BOOMER, WE LIVED THROUGH AN ERA WHEN WE SAW MANY OF THESE SPECIES ALMOST BE DECIMATED.

A man in his thirties says THERE IS A CORMORANT. TWENTY YEARS AGO THEY WERE IN SERIOUS DECLINE AND NOW THEY HAVE COME BACK.

Another man says A LOT OF THEM OFF THE POINT THERE. JUST TO THE EAST.

The man in his forties concludes
NOW WE SEE THEY ARE DOING A LOT BETTER AND DOING QUITE WELL AS A MATTER OF FACT. SO THAT PART OF IT I THINK IS GRATIFYING.

Lea says MOST BIRDERS ARE VERY GENEROUS, GOOD NATURED, THEY LOVE TO SHARE THEIR INFORMATION WITH PEOPLE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE HAVE BIRDING HOT LINES IN THE AREA.

A recorded male voice says THIS IS A BIRDING UPDATE OF THE ESSEX COUNTY CLUB. A HOODED WARBLER IS SUSPECTED OF NESTING SOMEWHERE ALONG THE ROAD BETWEEN THE TIFFEN HALFWAY SPOT.

A picture shows a small bright green and black bird.

The voice continues PROBABLY THE BEST PART OF THE WEEK IS THE SNOWY EGRET SEEN IN WHEATLEY NEAR THE WATER TOWER, THE LITTLE MARSH THERE. AND BREWSTERS WARBLER AND TWO BLUE WING WARBLERS WERE REPORTED ON FRIDAY OVER AT SPRING GARDEN AND UNTIL NEXT TIME, GOOD BIRDING.

A picture shows a long-necked tall white bird walking in a swamp. Then two picture shows small birds with greenish yellow markings.

Lea says A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF BIRD WATCHERS UP SET OTHER BIRDERS BY INVADING THE PRIVACY, THE SPACE, OF THE TINY LITTLE BIRDS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT.
THEY ARE UPSETTING THE BIRD. IT'S JUST LANDED HERE AND IT'S POOPED OUT AND TO JUST WANTS TO BE LEFT ALONE AND TO FEED AND GET ON WITH ITS JOURNEY.

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The woman in her forties says PEOPLE DON'T TEND TO THINK OF BIRDING AS A HIGH RISK SPORT BUT THERE ARE SOME PHYSICAL DANGERS. THE BIGGEST ONE IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS WARBLERS NECK BECAUSE WARBLERS WORK HIGH UP IN TREES AND MOVE AROUND A LOT YOU END UP LIKE THIS ALL DAY AND YOU COME HOME AND YOUR NECK IS PARALYZED AND IN GREAT PAIN.

A man on the tour bus says SUN BURN IS A DANGER.

The man with the tripod says THE NEXT DANGER IS GETTING A WET FOOT.

The woman in her forties says YOU GET BIRDER RAGE WHEN EVERYONE ELSE HAS SEEN SOMETHING YOU NEED FOR YOUR LIFE LIST AND YOU CAN'T SEE T I GET BIRDER RAGE WHEN I HEAR SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS SPECTACULAR AND IT'S HIDING.

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Lea says MOST BIRDERS TEND TO BE GOOD HUMOURED, GOOD NATURED PEOPLE.

A woman in her seventies says DON'T BE TOO CUTTING AND RUDE ABOUT BIRDERS BECAUSE WE ARE NICE PEOPLE.

(LAUGHING)

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The woman continues
AS THE YEARS CREEP UP ON YOU, YOU'RE AEROBICS WILL PASS AND BIRDING WILL COME.

The clip ends.

Nam says ONE OF THE VOICES YOU'LL RECOGNIZE FROM THAT THROWBACK ON BIRDING IS SUANNE KELMAN. SHE WAS... STILL IS... AN AVID BIRDER. SHE WAS ALSO A PRODUCER ON MANY FLAGSHIP CBC PROGRAMS AND IS NOW PROFESSOR EMERITA AT THE RYERSON SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM. AND SHE JOINS US NOW FROM TORONTO FOR AN UPDATE.

Suanne is in her seventies, with short curly gray hair. She's wearing glasses and an indigo sweater.

Nam continues HI SUANNE, HOW ARE YOU HOLDING UP IN ALL OF THIS?

Suanne says I'M HOLDING UP FINE AND NOT ALL THAT DIFFERENT FROM MY LIFE BEFORE BECAUSE I AM RETIRED.

Nam says VERY NICE. IT'S NICE TO HAVE YOU ON THE SHOW. LIFE INDEED HAS BEEN VERY DIFFERENT DURING THE PANDEMIC AND ONE OF THE JOYS THAT PEOPLE SEEM TO HAVE DISCOVERED IS BIRDING. WHY DO YOU THINK BIRDING HAS SEEN MORE PEOPLE, EXCUSE THE PUN, OF FLOCKING TO THIS PAST TIME?

The caption changes to "Suanne Kelman. Birding Enthusiast."

Suanne says WELL IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. I THINK THAT WE'RE... WE WERE DEPRIVED OF GOING OUT SIDE FOR AWHILE. WE WERE AT LEAST IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO IT WASN'T GREAT THIS SPRING. YOU ARE COOPED UP ALL DAY AND I THINK YOU GO OUT SIDE AND YOUR SENSES ARE SHARPENED IN A WAY THAT THEY AREN'T WHEN YOU ARE DULLED BY THE ROUTINE OF WORK AND COMMUTING AND ALL OF THAT. AND I THINK THE SENSE THAT THESE THINGS ARE IN DANGER HAVE ALSO CREATED AN APPETITE FOR THEM. I WISH IT WERE NOT SO BUT WE KNOW THAT THE BIRDING POPULATIONS ARE DOWN. PEOPLE HAVE READ ABOUT THAT. THE SENSE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOSE MAKES IT SEEM MUCH MORE VALUABLE.

Nam says YOU HAVE BEEN AHEAD OF THE CURVE WHEN IT COMES TO BIRDING AND YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR MANY DECADES. WHAT DREW YOU TO THIS PAST TIME OR DO WE EVEN CALL IT A SPORT?

Suanne says I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T CALL IT A SPORT. I THINK I HAVE EVOLVED AS A BIRDER IN WAYS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT. IT CAN BE TREATED ALMOST AS A SPORT BY WHAT WE CALL LISTERS, THE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TICK OFF A BIRD THEY HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE OR A BIRD THAT'S IN A PLACE WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG. I HAD TENDENCIES THAT WAY WHEN I WAS YOUNGER I CONFESS BUT I DON'T DO THAT ANY MORE. I JUST LIKE SEEING BIRDS, WATCHING BIRDS, WAVING DIFFERENT BEHAVIOUR, AND I THINK THAT PART IS IMPORTANT. IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEWHERE LIKE POINT PELEE, I THINK WE ARE LOVING IT TO DEATH. I THINK THERE IS A LOT TO BE SAID FOR ENJOYING BIRDS WHERE YOU ARE AND NOT BEING QUITE SO EAGER TO FILL OUT MORE SPACES ON THAT LIFE LIST.

Nam says WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT HOW YOU HAVE SEEN IT EVOLVE OVER THE DECADES, INITIALLY, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A SPORT WHERE PEOPLE WENT TO DO IT FOR A CERTAIN REASON, BUT NOW THE CONSERVATION ASPECT OF IT, WE'RE ACTUALLY HARMING THE ENVIRONMENT IN A SENSE BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE OF US INVADING THAT TERRITORY?

Suanne says THAT'S THE NEGATIVE CHANGE. THERE ARE POSITIVE CHANGES, TOO. AND THE TRADITIONAL STEREO TYPE OF A BIRDER IS AN AGING BALD WHITE GUY IN BERMUDA SHORTS WITH A FUNNY WALK. NOW YOU GO DOWN TO THE LESLIE SPIT AND IT'S A DIVERSE CROWD. SOME RIDE THEIR BIKES AS FAST AS POSSIBLE AND I HATE THOSE PEOPLE, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT WATCHING BIRDS, THEY COME FROM EVERY WHERE. THEY ARE ALL AGES. I HAVE TAKEN CHILDREN DOWN THERE AND THEY LOVE IT AND I SEE OTHER PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN. IN MY OWN NEIGHBOURHOOD, I JOINED A COUPLE. A VERY YOUNG CHILD AND HER FATHER, I THINK OF CHINESE ORIGIN WHO WERE SPECULATING ON A BIRD HIGH IN THE TREE THAT I HADN'T NOTICED AND WE HAD A LOVELY CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IT COULD BE AND WHY IT WAS BEHAVING IN AN UNTYPICAL MANNER. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT BIRDING IS THERE IS NO WHERE IN ONTARIO THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT, AND ALL YOU NEED... YOU DO NEED A PAIR OF BINOCULARS TO DO IT PROPERLY AND TO HELPS TO HAVE A FIELD GUIDE BUT THAT'S T THE COMPETITIVE BIRDERS WITH ALL THE POCKETS AND THE ENORMOUS CAMERAS AND LENSES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. IT'S LIKE RUNNING YOU ONLY NEED THE SHOES. YOU NEED THE BINOCULARS AND A BOOK IS USEFUL OR YOU CAN LOOK IT UP ON THE NET AND ARGUE WITH OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN WHICH TURNS YOU INTO A BICKERING BIRDER.

Nam says I CAN SEE THE APPEAL OF BIRDING FOR KIDS BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING I DO WITH MY OWN KIDS BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CURIOUS ABOUT THE WORLD AND THEY ARE SO FASCINATED WITH THINGS THAT AS GROWNUPS MAYBE WE'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO. SO I CAN SEE THE APPEAL. BUT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE WATCHING THIS AND THINK THAT BIRDING SOUNDS EXTREMELY BORING. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE APPEAL IS TO... BEYOND GETTING OUTSIDE BUT WHAT IS THE APPEAL TO JUST DO THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS AND BECOME SO GOOD THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY IDENTIFY THE DIFFERENT SPECIES?

Suanne says THERE IS THE SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT THAT YOU CAN IDENTIFY THEM AND THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO GET KIDS IN, HOW MANY BIRDS... DIFFERENT KINDS OF BIRDS CAN YOU SEE? HOW MANY CAN YOU IDENTIFY? THAT'S HOW I GOT A COUPLE OF MY GREAT NEPHEWS INTERESTED IN IT, GIVING THEM BOTH A LIST AND I'M AFRAID ENCOURAGING THEIR COMPETITIVE INSTINCTS. HERE IS WHAT I LIKE ABOUT IT. LIKE MEDICATION, IF YOU ARE GOING TO WATCH BIRDS, YOU GO OUT INTO A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND YOU NEED TO BE VERY ALERT. AND IN A GENERALIZED WAY. YOU ARE NOT... YOU ARE LOOKING FOR MOVEMENT AND LISTENING FOR SOUND, YOU HAVE TO TRAIN YOUR MEMORY WHICH AT MY AGE IS VERY USEFUL. IF YOU ARE MUSICAL YOU HAVE A BETTER SHOT OF BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY BIRD'S SONGS AND REMEMBERING WHICH ONE SOUNDS LIKE THIS OR WHAT THAT BIRD WILL BE. IT'S GOOD FOR SKILLS THAT ARE GOOD FOR US. AND TO GETS YOU OUT IN NATURE AND PAYING ATTENTION. THE LATE GRAHAM GIBSON, MARGARET ATWOOD'S HUSBAND WROTE A BOOK ON HEALING NATURE AND TVO, I THINK, RAN A LECTURE HE GAVE ON THIS. AND I THINK THE PANDEMIC TAUGHT US THIS THAT THE DEPRIVATION OF ANY NATURAL SURROUNDING IS BAD FOR US AND ONE OF THE ANTIDOTES TO THE ISOLATION WE'RE GOING THROUGH IS TO GET OUT THERE AND LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT US. BIRDS ARE VERY MUCH NOT US AND THAT'S HEALTHY.

Nam says AND IT'S ALSO HELPFUL I GUESS BECAUSE THE LOCK DOWN HAPPENED AROUND THE TIME WHEN THEY WOULD BE VERY BUSY THEMSELVES. AND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF SPECIES WE HAVE IN ONTARIO, I THINK WE LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE PROVINCE THAT IS IS JUST... WE'RE JUST SO SPOILED FOR NATURE. IS ONTARIO LOSING SPECIES?

Suanne says WE ARE LOSING SOME BUT I THINK EVEN MORE DRAMATICALLY, THE NUMBERS ARE DECLINING FOR MANY SPECIES. PEOPLE MAY NOT BE AWARE OF IT BECAUSE SOME OF THE ONES AROUND ALL YEAR ARE DOING FINE. WHEN YOU WAS A KID WE SAW ROBBINS ONLY IN THE SPRING, THAT'S WHEN THEY ARRIVED. NOW YOU SEE TREES COVERED WITH SNOW AND FILLED WITH ROBBINS BECAUSE THEY STICK AROUND ALL WINTER BUT OTHER SPECIES ARE IN TROUBLE AND THAT'S BECAUSE LOSS OF HABITAT, BECAUSE OF THE PESTICIDES AND MAKING PEOPLE AWARE OF THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD, TOO. AND WE KNOW THAT YOU CAN BRING SOME OF THEM BACK. SOME OF THE WATER BIRDS ARE DOING MUCH BETTER. IN THE CASE OF CORMORANTS, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE OF A REALLY AGGRESSIVE CAMPAIGN, AND WHILE, AS A BIRDER, I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT HUNTERS. I HAVE TO SAY THAT THERE ARE TWO ORGANIZATIONS OF DUCK HUNTERS WHO DID A GREAT JOB PROTECTING HABITAT.

Nam says WELL RECENTLY A MAN BY THE NAME OF CHRISTIAN COOPER WAS OUT BIRD WATCHING IN A PART OF CENTRAL PARK IN NEW YORK CITY AND SAW A WHITE WOMAN WITH A DOG THAT WASN'T ON A LEASH. HE ASKED HER TO LEASH THE DOG, DOGS ARE REQUIRED TO BE ON LEASHES AT ALL TIMES IN THIS PART OF THE PARK, IT'S POPULAR FOR BIRD WATCHING. LET'S LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED...

A clip plays with the caption "May 25, 2020."

In the clip, a distressed young woman stands in a park holding a dog by its leash as she speaks on her cellphone.

She says I'M SORRY, I'M... THERE IS A AFRICAN-AMERICAN WHO IS RECORDING ME AND THREATENING ME AND MY DOG. THERE IS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN MAN, I AM IN CENTRAL PARK, HE IS RECORDING ME AND THREATENING MYSELF AND MY DOG. I'M SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU. I'M BEING THREATENED BY A MAN. PLEASE SEND THE COPS IMMEDIATELY.

The clip ends.

Suanne says THERE IS A LOT IN THAT VIDEO THAT IS DISTURBING AND UPSETTING WITH THE WAY SHE TREATED THAT GENTLEMAN AND THE WAY SHE WAS TREATING HER OWN PET. BUT SOMETHING THAT SEEMED TO SUE PRIZE IS THAT THE BLACK GENTLEMAN WAS A BIRD WATCHER. WHAT DOES THAT REACTION SAY TO YOU?

Suanne says IT SAYS THIS IS EXACTLY THE STEREO TYPE THAT WOMAN WAS TRYING TO USE. THE IDEA THAT IF A BLACK MAN WAS IN CENTRAL PARK IT COULD BE FOR NO GOOD PURPOSE, IT COULD ONLY BE FOR CRIME. THIS IS A STEREOTYPE I FIND ALL THE TIME AND A MUCH MORE BENIGN FORM. I JUST HAD SOMEONE WHO IS FROM A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, EXPLAIN TO ME THAT PEOPLE LIKE HIM AREN'T INTERESTED IN NATURE AND BIRDING AND THEY DON'T WANT TO GO CAMPING BECAUSE THEY ASSOCIATE CAMPING WITH REFUGEE CAMPS AND THAT'S TRUE FOR SOME PEOPLE. ON THE OTHER HAND, I BET A LOT OF THEM COME FROM FAMILIES WHERE PEOPLE... WHERE THEY ARE CONSCIOUS ABOUT IT AND WATCHED BIRDS AT HOME. THE GOOD THING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT HORRIBLE, VICIOUS INCIDENT IS THE BLACK BIRDERS BECAME WEAR THERE ARE OTHER BLACK BIRDERS AND THEY ARE FORMING ONE ORGANIZATION NOW TO SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER. THAT GHASTLY WOMAN, AMY COOPER'S IDEA THAT THE POLICE WOULD OF COURSE BELIEVE THAT THE MAN WAS IN CENTRAL PARK, CHRISTIAN COOPER IS HIS NAME, FOR A BAD PURPOSE. THAT PLAYS OFF ON THE STEREO TYPE THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE PURELY URBAN. I ENCOUNTERED IT IN A HARMLESS AND SILLY FARM WHEN I STARTED BIRDING. MY FATHER SAID JEWS DON'T BIRD, THEY DON'T HIKE, SCUBA DIVE OR GO BIRDING AND THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE. ANYONE CAN DO THESE THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO GET RID OF TO FIGHT RACISM IS THE IDEA THAT CERTAIN ACTIVITIES AND SPACES ARE APPROPRIATE FOR SOME GROUPS AND NOT OTHERS. ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE PUBLIC PLACES.

Nam says PUBLIC.

Suanne says AND THAT'S MY TAKE ON THAT.

Nam says AND PUBLIC PLACES ARE INDEED FOR EVERYBODY. I HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT. IF SOMEONE IS WATCHING THIS AND THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT TAKING ON BIRD WATCHING, WHAT DO YOU THINK... WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE THEM THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS TO CONSIDER?

Suanne says GO SOMEWHERE QUIET WHERE THERE AREN'T A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHERE THERE ARE SOME TREES AND STAY STILL AND WATCH. I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER USEFUL SKILL YOU CAN PICK UP. I WAS SO STILL THAT A CHIPMUNK BEGAN TO DIG AROUND ABOUT MY FEET. I THINK IT THOUGHT I WAS A TREE AND THAT'S WHEN YOU GET TO SEE BIRDS.

The caption changes to "Producer: Liane Kotler, @LianeKotler."

Nam says THAT'S EXCITING. I WILL BE OUT IN THE SUMMER WITH MY KIDS BECAUSE THEY LOVE IT. THEY ARE SO STILL SOMETIMES THAT THE BIRDS ACTUALLY COME TO THE PALM OF THEIR HAND WHICH IS SO MAGICAL TO SEE. SUANNE KELMAN THANK YOU... ISN'T IT AMAZING? I'LL SHOW YOU VIDEO I TOOK. SUANNE THANK YOU FOR TAKING SOME TIME FOR US. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT.

Suanne says THANK YOU, NAM, THIS WAS LOVELY.

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