Transcript: GTA Population Growth | Jan 17, 2020

Nam stands in the studio. She's in her early forties, with shoulder length curly brown hair. She's wearing glasses, a gray blazer over a pale blue shirt, and a golden pendant necklace.

A wall screen behind her reads "The week in review."

Nam says THE AGENDA THIS WEEK
EXPLORED WHAT RESPONSIBILITY
EMPLOYERS HAVE FOR THEIR
WORKERS' HAPPINESS; ASKED IF THE
POLITICS OF INACTION ON CLIMATE
CHANGE ARE SHIFTING; AND
CONSIDERED THE STATE OF CHILDREN
AROUND THE GLOBE.
THE AGENDA'S WEEK IN REVIEW
BEGINS WITH A LOOK AT MOVING A
GROWING POPULATION AROUND THE
GREATER TORONTO AREA.

Music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

In a clip, a slate appears on screen, with the title "G.T.A.'s growing population."

Steve Paikin reads data from the slate and says
LAST YEAR THE
POPULATION OF THE GREATER
TORONTO AREA WAS JUST SHY OF
7 MILLION PEOPLE.
BY THE END OF THIS DECADE THAT
WE HAVE NOW ENTERED, IT'S
EXPECTED TO REACH 8.3 MILLION PEOPLE.
AND BY THE YEAR 2046,
PROJECTIONS HAVE IT AT MORE THAN
10 MILLION PEOPLE.
AND, REMEMBER, THIS IS ALL ON
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS
ESSENTIALLY BUILT FOR A
POPULATION HALF THE SIZE OR
LESS.
PHIL, WHEN YOU SEE THOSE
NUMBERS, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Steve appears on screen with three guests. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a blue suit, white shirt, and striped lavender tie.

A caption reads "Moving the masses in a growing G.T.A. Density is destiny."

Then, it changes to "Phil Verster. Metrolinx."

Phil is in his fifties, with short-cropped gray hair and a stubble. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit, white shirt and spotted pink tie.

He says I THINK WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN
THE RATE, THE VERY AGGRESSIVE
RATE OF INVESTMENT THAT WE HAVE
NOW.
IN THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE PUT
4 BILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF NEW TRANSIT
INFRASTRUCTURE INTO THE GROUND
AND COMMISSIONED IT.
THIS YEAR, I AIM TO HAVE
4.5 BILLION DOLLARS OF INFRASTRUCTURE
IN THE GROUND.
I'VE GROWN THE GO SERVICES BY
35 percent IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
THAT'S 35 percent MORE CAPACITY OUT
THERE.
WE HAVE THE HIGHEST GROWTH RATE
OF PASSENGERS COMING TO OUR
RAILWAY AND TO OUR BUS, GO BUS
SERVICES.
WE MUST MAINTAIN THIS RATE OF
GROWTH.

Steve says AND YET WHEN YOU
TAKE THE GO TRAIN FROM UNION
STATION TO POINTS WEST OR EAST
AT RUSH-HOUR, YOU'RE STILL LUCKY
IF YOU GET A SEAT.

Phil says THAT'S TRUE.
AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE A
MASSIVE GO EXPANSION PROGRAM
THAT WE ARE IN MARKET FOR NOW,
AND THE GO SERVICE CAPABILITY...
WE TODAY MOVE AROUND 80 MILLION PEOPLE A YEAR AND WE AIM TO TAKE
THAT TO 200 MILLION PEOPLE IN
THE TIME LINE THAT YOU'VE SHOWN
THERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
PROGRAM.

Steve says WOW.
MARCY, WHAT POPS TO MIND WHEN
YOU SEE THOSE NUMBERS?

The caption changes to "Marcy Burchfield. Economic Blueprint Institute. Toronto Region Board of Trade."

Marcy is in her late forties, with chin-length chestnut hair. She's wearing glasses, a black blouse and a silver pendant necklace.

She says WELL, WHEN I SEE THOSE
NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, TORONTO...
THE TORONTO REGION HAS ALWAYS
BEEN GROWING AT A FAST RATE, YOU
KNOW, COMPARATIVELY AROUND THE
NORTH AMERICAN MARKET.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE GRAPPLING
WITH IS THE RATE OF GROWTH IS
BOTH ACCELERATING AND IT'S ALSO
CHANGING, THE MARKETS ARE
CHANGING.
SO PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO
DIFFERENT PLACES THAN THEY CHOSE
TO MOVE TO 20 YEARS AGO.
YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE BUILT OUR
SORT OF RADIAL PATTERN OF
COMMUTER RAIL, THAT SERVES THE
DOWNTOWN, BUT WE HAVE DISPERSED
PATTERNS OF EMPLOYMENT AND THOSE
AREAS ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO
SERVICE WITH THE GROWTH RATE
THAT WE HAVE, AND TO PHIL'S
POINT, THE LACK OF
INFRASTRUCTURE WE'VE BUILT TO
KEEP UP WITH THAT GROWTH OVER
THE PAST AT LEAST THREE DECADES.

Steve says LET ME PUT THAT TO
JOHN.
I GUESS I SHOULD WONDER WHETHER
OR NOT YOU THINK WE ARE ABLE TO
KEEP PACE WITH THE
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO
BE NEEDED FOR ALL THAT OR
WHETHER YOU ARE MUCH MORE
HOPELESS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES
OF KEEPING UP WITH THAT GROWTH?

The caption changes to "John Lorinc. Spacing."

John is in his late forties, with short gray hair and a stubble. He's wearing glasses, a brown suit, blue shirt and mustard green tie.

He says I'M NOT HOPELESS ABOUT IT BUT
I THINK THAT... I THINK THAT IT
REQUIRES A GREATER SENSE OF
DETERMINATION AND AN
UNDERSTANDING OF EXACTLY WHAT
THE IMPLICATIONS ARE OF THAT
GROWTH.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT,
YOU GO TO UNION STATION AT
RUSH-HOUR.
YOU GO TO YONGE AND EGLINTON AT
RUSH-HOUR OR YONGE AND BLOOR AT
RUSH-HOUR AND YOU SEE THAT OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE IS ESSENTIALLY AT
CAPACITY AND THAT'S JUST WITHIN
THE CITY OF TORONTO OR THESE
MAJOR SORT OF MULTI-NODAL HUBS.
YOU KNOW, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE
STEPPED UP AND I THINK THAT THE
METROLINX INVESTMENT IS GREAT,
BUT IT HAS TO BE MUCH MORE SO TO
GET, YOU KNOW, TO MEET THE NEEDS
OF THAT KIND OF POPULATION
GROWTH.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Steve says MARCY, PHIL TALKED A
MOMENT AGO ABOUT NEEDING... YOU
AND I BOTH, JOHN, ARE SUFFERING
FROM THE SORE THROAT OF THE
SEASON.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND GET
THROUGH THIS AS BEST WE CAN.
IF WE TALK ABOUT THE KIND OF
GROWTH THAT'S EXPECTED, WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT WAY MORE JOBS,
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WAY MORE
CARS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
NEED FOR WAY MORE TRANSIT, WE'VE
GOT THE NEED FOR WAY MORE
HOUSING... JUST MAKE A LIST,
IT'S ALL THERE.

Marcy says RIGHT.

Steve says DO YOU THINK WE HAVE
THE CAPACITY, TALENT, ET CETERA,
MONEY, INVESTMENT IN ORDER TO
SERVE ALL THAT?

The caption changes to "Marcy Burchfield, @Burchfie."

Marcy says WELL, I THINK WE DEFINITELY
NEED TO CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT
WHAT WE'VE BEEN PLANNING.
OUR PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVEN'T
LANDED ON A PLAN FOR SOME TIME
AND, YOU KNOW, NOW WE HAVE ONE,
AND WE NEED TO BUILD THAT OUT AS
QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
BUT THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE OF THE
TRANSPORTATION COIN AND THAT'S
THE LAND USE ASPECT OF IT, AND
REALLY BE MORE DELIBERATE ON
WHERE WE'RE PLANNING FOR GROWTH.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT... AS I
MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET
HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST 20
YEARS.
PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN A MORE
URBANIZED AREA.
THAT'S WHY YOU SAW THE GROWTH
RATE OF TORONTO, BETWEEN 2017
AND 2018, GROW TO 77,000 PEOPLE.
WE ADDED IN THE CITY OF TORONTO
ALONE...

Steve says THAT'S LIKE PLUNKING
SUDBURY IN THE MIDDLE OF
TORONTO.

The caption changes to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

Marcy says THAT'S RIGHT.
IT'S A HUGE NUMBER BECAUSE THE
JOBS ARE HERE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A
BOOMING ECONOMY, YOU KNOW, AND
THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHY TORONTO
IS A SUCCESS STORY, IS WE HAVE A
BOOMING ECONOMY AND THE
POPULATION GROWTH TO MATCH IT AS
WELL.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve sits with different guests.

A caption on screen reads "Happiness at work. Suck it up buttercup?"

Steve says DO YOU FEEL IT'S
REASONABLE OR NOT FOR YOUNGER
PEOPLE TODAY TO EXPECT A LEVEL
OF FULFILLMENT OUT OF THEIR JOBS
THAT, SAY, THEIR PARENTS OR
GRANDPARENTS, IT NEVER WOULD
HAVE OCCURRED TO THEM TO DEMAND
THAT FROM THEIR WORK?

The caption changes to "Emiliana Simon-Thomas. University of California, Berkeley. @GreaterGoodSC."

Emiliana is in her thirties, with chin-length wavy brown hair. She's wearing a white shirt.

She says I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY
REASONABLE.
I THINK IT'S UP TO THE YOUNGER
GENERATIONS TO EFFECT CHANGE AND
TO MAKE PROGRESS, AND SOME OF
OUR, YOU KNOW, EARLIER WISER
GENERATIONS WERE ACTUALLY PART
OF A LABOUR SYSTEM THAT COUNTED
ON REPLACE ABILITY OF WORKERS,
THAT COUNTED ON MORE EXTREME
HIERARCHICAL ORGANIZATIONAL
STRUCTURE WHICH ACTUALLY REALLY
EXPECTED PEOPLE TO SETTLE FOR
WORKING CONDITIONS THAT PERHAPS
WERE NOT AS FAIR OR EQUITABLE AS
THEY COULD BE.
THERE WERE ALSO BIG DIFFERENCES
IN OPPORTUNITY THAT WERE A
FUNCTION OF YOUR GENDER OR
ETHNIC OR CULTURAL BACKGROUND,
AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE
CHANGING.
AND THE YOUNGER GENERATION IS
BRINGING WITH THAT THE
EXPECTATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE
OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO FLOURISH IN
OUR WORK AND OUR WORK AND THE
TIME THAT WE SPEND AT WORK
SHOULD BE A SOURCE OF OUR
WELL-BEING, NOT SOMETHING THAT
DETRACTS FROM OUR WELL-BEING.
SO I CERTAINLY WELCOME THE
PROGRESS AND THE CHANGE AND THE
THINKING THAT'S GOING ON IN THE
YOUNGER GENERATIONS AROUND, HOW
CAN WE TOGETHER FIGURE OUT A WAY
TO MAKE WORK SOMETHING THAT,
AGAIN, CONTRIBUTES TO OUR SENSE
OF WELL-BEING, TO OUR HAPPINESS
IN LIFE.

Steve says WELL, TARA, LET ME
MAKE THE QUESTION EVEN MORE
CHALLENGING.
I TAKE IT THAT YOU LIKE YOUR
OCCUPATION BECAUSE IT IS
STIMULATING, IT IS CREATIVE, YOU
HAVE TO USE YOUR BRAIN, IT
CHECKS ALL THOSE BOXES OFF FOR
YOU.
MY HUNCH IS IF YOU WORKED IN A
COAL MINE, IF YOU WORKED A
TEXTILE FACTORY, A CAR ASSEMBLY
LINE, YOU WOULD NOT BE AS HAPPY
A PERSON.
HOW DO YOU FIND THAT IN JOBS?

The caption changes to "Tara Henley. Author, 'Lean out.'"
Then, it changes again to "Whose job is my well-being, anyway?"

Tara is in her late forties, with shoulder-length straight chestnut hair. She's wearing a white-collared black sweater.

She says THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I'M SO GLAD THE QUESTION ABOUT
WORKING CONDITIONS WAS BROUGHT
UP.
WE CAN THINK ABOUT WORK IN TERMS
OF INDIVIDUAL HAPPINESS AND
CONTENTMENT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE
TO PULL BACK AND LOOK AT THE
LARGER STRUCTURAL ISSUES AT PLAY
HERE, ONE OF WHICH IS, I MEAN,
SPEAKING OF MILLENNIALS, THEY'RE
FACING A WORKPLACE THAT IS
DRIVEN BY PRECARIOUS WORK, IT'S
VERY UNSTABLE, WAGES ARE
STAGNANT, WE KNOW THE COST OF
LIVING IS GOING UP SO MUCH.

The caption changes to "Tara Henley, @TaraRHenley."

Tara continues SO PERHAPS WITH PRIOR
GENERATIONS WHERE YOU COULD FIND
A STABLE LIFE AT WORK IN ONE OF
THOSE JOBS THAT YOU MENTIONED,
YOU COULD BE MIDDLE CLASS, YOU
COULD HAVE A FAMILY LIFE OUTSIDE
OF YOUR JOB AND PERHAPS FIND
SOME OF YOUR MEANING THERE.
NOW THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY AN
OPTION ANYMORE.
YOU'RE SCRAMBLING WITH THREE
DIFFERENT JOBS, MAYBE ONE FROM
AN APP AND TRYING TO MAKE YOUR
RENT IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT
WAYS.
SO I THINK THAT BREEDS
DISCONTENTMENT.
THOSE STRUCTURAL CONDITIONS ARE
NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE
ABLE TO ADDRESS ON AN INDIVIDUAL
LEVEL.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Steve says DAVID, IF YOU'RE AN
EMPLOYER, THOUGH, AND YOU WANT
TO TRY TO INFUSE THOSE... LET'S
JUST CALL THEM REPETITIVE JOBS
OR WHATEVER IT IS.
IT'S SOMETHING, YOU'RE GOING TO
DO THIS THING, YOU'RE GOING TO
DO IT A THOUSAND TIMES IN THE
COURSE OF A DAY, ASSEMBLING A
CAR, WHATEVER IT IS.

David says SURE.

Steve says YOU KNOW...

David says MUNDANE.

Steve says IT'S MUNDANE, IT
DOESN'T CHECK OFF TOO MANY
CREATIVE BOXES.
AS AN EMPLOYER, HOW DO YOU MAKE
THAT WORK MORE MEANINGFUL?

The caption changes to "David Zweig. University of Toronto. @DavidZweig1."

David is in his late forties, with short gray hair and a stubble. He's wearing glasses, a black suit, white shirt and gray tie.

He says I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE FROM
MY OWN EXPERIENCE.
I HAVE A SUBORDINATE WHO WORKS
FOR ME, HIS JOB IS TO SCHEDULE
300 COURSES A YEAR IN MY
PROGRAM.
NOW, THAT COULD BE A PRETTY
MUNDANE JOB.
BUT WHAT I DO IS TRY TO INSTIL
IN HIM HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT
HE DOES HIS JOB WELL BECAUSE
DOING THAT JOB WELL MEANS THAT
OUR STUDENTS ARE HAVING A GREAT
EXPERIENCE, THEY'RE GETTING THE
COURSES THEY NEED, WHEN THEY
NEED THEM, WITHOUT CONFLICTS.
AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR, AS
MUCH AS POSSIBLE, FOR THESE
TYPES OF JOBS TO TRY TO INSTIL A
SENSE OF MEANING THAT PEOPLE CAN
GRAB ONTO AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS
WHY THIS JOB IS IMPORTANT, AND
THAT GETS THEM THROUGH, YOU
KNOW, HAVING THIS MUNDANE TASK
THAT MIGHT BE VERY SIMPLE BUT
VERY... STILL VERY IMPORTANT.
NOW, IN THE 1970s, TWO
RESEARCHERS, HACKMAN AND OLDHAM
CAME OUT WITH SOMETHING CALLED
THE JOB CHARACTERISTICS MODEL.
AND I TEACH IT TO THIS DAY TO MY
STUDENTS.
IT'S A WAY TO FIND JOBS TO MAKE
JOBS MORE INTERESTING, FIND WAYS
TO HAVE EMPLOYEES HAVE TO AN
INTEGRATED NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
SKILLS, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR
THEIR WORK, GET FEEDBACK, AND
HAVE MEANING INTO THEIR WORK,
AND THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF
THINGS, IF WE CAN DO THAT, LEAD
TO MORE SATISFACTION, MORE
HAPPINESS, AND ULTIMATELY
MORE... GREATER PERFORMANCE.

Steve says ASKING FOR A RAISE
AND GETTING IT.
DOESN'T THAT DEAL WITH A LOT OF
THESE ISSUES AROUND HAPPINESS?
IF YOU GET PAID MORE, YOU'RE
HAPPIER.
PERIOD.

The caption changes to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

Emiliana says YEAH.
I MEAN, IN AN IMMEDIATE AND
SHORT-TERM SENSE, ABSOLUTELY, IT
FEELS GREAT TO TIE YOUR SENSE OF
ACCOMPLISHMENT TO A DIRECT AND
EXPLICIT REWARD LIKE GREATER
PAYMENT OR SOME KIND OF BONUS.
HOWEVER, OVER THE LONG TERM,
SALARY LEVELS, BONUSES... THEY
REALLY AREN'T AS POWERFUL AT
INSPIRING A SENSE OF ENDURING
MEANING OR PURPOSE OR MOTIVATION
OR, ULTIMATELY, HAPPINESS IN THE
WORKPLACE.
THERE'S A GREAT STUDY DONE BY
DAN ARIELY, WHETHER HE EITHER
GAVE PEOPLE MONEY, A BONUS, OR
HAD THE BOSS CALL THEM UP ON THE
PHONE AND SAY THANK YOU AND
REALLY DESCRIBE HOW THEIR WORK
BENEFITTED THE COMPANY AND THE
OTHER PEOPLE WHO THE COMPANY WAS
SERVING.
AND HE LOOKED AT PRODUCTIVITY.
HE LOOKED AT HOW HARD THOSE
PEOPLE WORKED.
AND THE DAY AFTER, THE ONE DAY
AFTER THE BONUS OR THE CALL,
BOTH GROUPS' PERFORMANCE WENT
UP.
THEY BOTH IMPROVED.
BUT TWO DAYS LATER, THE PEOPLE
WHO GOT THE MONETARY BONUS,
THERE WAS ALSO A FREE PIZZA
CONDITION, THEIR PERFORMANCE
WENT BACK DOWN TO ACTUALLY BELOW
THE BASELINE.
PEOPLE WHO GOT THANKED, THEIR
PERFORMANCE MAINTAINED AND
STAYED HIGH.
SO THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY
UNIQUE ABOUT THAT SENSE OF
MEANING, THE EXTENT TO WHICH
WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO SOMETHING
BEYOND OURSELVES, THE EXTENT TO
WHICH THAT'S BEING RECOGNIZED BY
THE COMPANY AND THE LEADERS IN
THE COMPANY.
THAT REALLY MATTERS TO OUR
SUSTAINED HAPPINESS AT WORK,
MORE THAN JUST HOW MUCH WE'RE
GETTING PAID.
OF COURSE, IF WE'RE GETTING PAID
ROCK-BOTTOM WAGES, THE WHOLE
EQUATION SHIFTS.
AND IF PEOPLE ARE MISERABLE
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE ENDS
MEET, THAT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF
CHALLENGE TO HAPPINESS.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve sits with different guests.

A caption on screen reads "The political price of climate inaction? A possible tipping point."

Steve says WE KNOW THE
ENVIRONMENTAL PRICE AROUND
CLIMATE CHANGE.
CAN WE NOW STATE UNAMBIGUOUSLY
THAT THERE IS A POLITICAL PRICE
TO BE PAID FOR IGNORING CLIMATE
CHANGE?

The caption changes to "Jessica Green. University of Toronto."

Jessica is in her thirties, with dark hair in an updo. She's wearing a red blazer and a black shirt.

She says YES.
WELL, I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER
OF POLITICAL PRICES.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE KNOW THAT
CLIMATE CHANGE AFFECTS
DISPROPORTIONATELY THOSE WHO ARE
POOR, BOTH INTERNATIONALLY AND
WITHIN NATIONS, AND SO THERE IS
A POLITICAL PRICE THAT THESE
PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY.
THEY ARE LOSING JOBS, THEY'RE
LOSING HOMES, THEIR WAY OF LIFE
IS BECOMING MORE EXPENSIVE, AND
SO I THINK, ABSOLUTELY, THAT
POLITICAL PRICE IS STARTING TO
RATCHET UP OVER TIME, AND AS IT
BECOMES MORE PRONOUNCED, WE'RE
GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE SORT
OF DEMANDS FOR CLIMATE POLICY
AND MORE PUSHBACK AGAINST THIS
KIND OF CLIMATE DENIALISM THAT
WE'VE SEEN IN AUSTRALIA, FOR
EXAMPLE, IN THE... OVER THE LAST
MONTH.

Steve says PETER, IN YOUR VIEW,
IS THERE NOW A POLITICAL PRICE
TO BE PAID FOR LACKING A
COHERENT POLICY ON CLIMATE
CHANGE?

The caption changes to "Peter Loewen. Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy. University of Toronto."

Peter is in his late forties, with short gray hair and a trimmed beard. He's wearing a gray suit, pale blue shirt and gray tie.

He says YEAH, I THINK THERE IS.
THERE'S TWO REASONS WHY.
ONE IS THAT IT'S AN INCREASINGLY
IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR VOTERS, AND
THE SECOND IS THAT THERE'S NOT
POLITICALLY A CONSENSUS OVER HOW
TO DEAL WITH IT, SO IT BECOMES A
POINT OF DEBATE.
THE LAST CANADIAN ELECTION WAS A
GREAT EXAMPLE OF A CASE WHERE,
YOU KNOW, THE CLIMATE GOES UP AS
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
ISSUES, IT'S ONE OF THE... FIRST
TIME I'VE EVER SEEN IT BEING A
TOP ONE OR TWO ISSUE OVER AND
OVER AGAIN AND VOTER'S MINDS AND
THERE WAS DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
THE PARTIES AS TO HOW MUCH
EMPHASIS THEY WERE PUTTING ON IT
AND HOW CREDIBLE THEY WERE ON
THOSE ISSUES.
YOU GET THOSE FACTORS,
IMPORTANCE AND DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN PARTIES, IT'S GOING TO
BECOME A BILL POLITICAL ISSUE.
IN THE CANADIAN CASE, THE
NUMBERS ARE PRETTY CLEAR.
WE WORKED ON SOME DATA FROM THE
CANADIAN ELECTION STUDY THAT
SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, FOR ABOUT
6 percent OF VOTERS, CLIMATE WAS REALLY
THE PIVOTAL ISSUE FOR THEM.
THAT MAY NOT SOUND LIKE A LOT.

Steve says IT DOESN'T.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Peter says IF YOU WORK THROUGH THE
ECONOMETRICS OF IT, YOU DO THE
ANALYSIS, SOMETHING LIKE 8 percent OF
CONSTITUENCIES PROBABLY WOULD
HAVE HAD A DIFFERENT OUTCOME IF
THE ENVIRONMENT HAD BEEN A LEVEL
ISSUE BETWEEN THE PARTIES.
IT WASN'T.
IT WAS AN ISSUE TO THE ADVANTAGE
OF THE LIBERAL PARTY.
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY PAID THE
COST FOR THAT.

Steve says WELL, LET ME GO TO A
VERY PROUD CONSERVATIVE SITTING
AT THIS TABLE RIGHT NOW AND ASK,
MARK, IS THERE ANY QUESTION IN
YOUR MIND BUT THAT THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY LOST THE LAST
ELECTION IN SIGNIFICANT PART
BECAUSE TOO MANY CANADIANS
DIDN'T THINK THEY HAD A COHERENT
POSITION ON CLIMATE CHANGE?

The caption changes to "Mark Towhey. Sun News. Newstalk 1010."

Mark is in his fifties, balding, with a stubble. He's wearing a blue plaid suit and a white shirt.

He says NO, I DON'T THINK THAT PLAYED
INTO IT AT ALL, TO BE HONEST.
I THINK... AND I DON'T THINK
THERE IS YET A POLITICAL PRICE
TO BE PAID FOR NOT HAVING A
COHERENT POLICY ON CLIMATE
CHANGE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK
THERE IS A PARTY IN CANADA THAT
HAD A COHERENT POLICY ON CLIMATE
CHANGE.
THE LIBERALS ARE SMOKING ROPE
WITH WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING OUT
THERE.
EVEN THEIR OWN PEOPLE SAY IT
WON'T WORK.
THE CONSERVATIVES HAD ABSOLUTELY
NONE.
I DON'T THINK THEY GOT ANY
POINTS FOR THAT BUT I DON'T
THINK THEY LOST POINTS FOR THAT.
THE ONLY PARTIES THAT HAD A
SOMEWHAT REASONABLY SORT OF
ACCEPTABLE TO THE GREEN EXPERTS
POLICY ON CLIMATE CHANGE WAS
PROBABLY THE GREEN PARTY, BUT
THAT WOULD HAVE BANKRUPTED
CANADA.
YOU CITED THE ABACUS DATA, WHICH
IS, FOR THE FIRST TIME, YOU
KNOW, VERY HIGHLY AWARE, IT
SUGGESTS, THAT CANADIANS ARE
ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE, 82 percent.
BUT THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WAS
HIGHER THAN THAT, YOU DIDN'T
HAVE UP THERE, WHICH WAS
AFFORDABILITY, AND I THINK
THAT'S THE RUB, IS WE HAVE TO
FIND A WAY, AND POLITICIANS HAVE
TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, SO THAT
THOSE POOR PEOPLE WHO ARE MOST
DISADVANTAGED BY, YOU KNOW,
CLIMATE CHANGE, AREN'T ALSO
WIPED OUT BY THE FIX.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ECONOMIC
MEASURES LIKE CARBON TAXES, CAP
AND TRADE, THAT INEVITABLY
RAISES PRICES.
WELL, THAT'S GREAT IF YOU'RE
GOING TO SAVE THE PLANET 50
YEARS FROM NOW OR 20 YEARS FROM
NOW.
IF THAT MEANS I CAN'T FEED MY
KIDS NEXT WEEK BECAUSE I CAN'T
AFFORD THE FOOD THEY NEED OR THE
TRANSPORTATION TO GET TO MY JOB,
THAT'S A PROBLEM, AND THAT'S
WHERE I THINK POLITICAL PARTIES
NEED TO STEP BACK, THEY ALL NEED
TO RELOAD AND COME UP WITH SOME
KIND OF A SOLUTION THAT ACTUALLY
WILL MAKE SOME DIFFERENCE, THAT
PEOPLE BELIEVE WILL MAKE A
DIFFERENCE, BUT THAT ALSO ISN'T
GOING TO, YOU KNOW, CUT OFF YOUR
ARM SO YOU CAN AFFORD TO BUY
GLOVES.

Steve says I HAVE TO TELL YOU
THAT'S A VERY UNCONVENTIONAL
POSITION YOU'VE TAKEN, IT
DOESN'T MAKE YOU WRONG, DO YOU
WANT TO GO AT HIM ON IT?

The caption changes to "Jessica Green, @greenprofgreen."

Jessica says I DON'T WANT TO GO AT HIM ON IT.
I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF
POINTS.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT
PEOPLE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
CLIMATE CHANGE.
BUT IN CANADA, ONLY ABOUT HALF
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE THINK THAT
IT'S CAUSED BY HUMAN ACTIVITY,
RIGHT?
SO THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT
POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS FOR WHAT
WE DO POLICY-WISE.
IS THIS JUST, YOU KNOW, SUN
SPOTS OR A NATURAL VARIATION, OR
IS THIS SOMETHING ABOUT OUR
ACTUAL BEHAVIOUR?
AND SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN
MIND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THESE
POLICY SOLUTIONS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH
MARK.
I MEAN, I AGREE WITH MARK IN THE
SENSE THAT WE CANNOT HAVE
SOLUTIONS THAT
DISPROPORTIONATELY PENALIZE
WORKING CLASS FOLKS AND POOR
FOLKS WHO ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING
WITH MUCH MORE IMMEDIATE
PROBLEMS, AND I'VE ACTUALLY GONE
ON RECORD SAYING THAT I DON'T
THINK CARBON PRICING IS A GOOD
IDEA BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE
FIGHTING OVER SOMETHING THAT HAS
BASICALLY A MARGINAL EFFECT AND,
DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S DESIGNED,
CAN ALSO MAKE LIFE MORE
EXPENSIVE FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN
LEAST ACIN ORDER IT.
NOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT
WAY.
IT CAN BE DESIGNED IN A MUCH
MORE PROGRESSIVE WAY IN
BASICALLY IT BECOMES MORE OF A
WEALTH TAX, IF YOU CONSUME OVER
A CERTAIN AMOUNT, THEN YOU PAY A
LOT MORE, BUT, AGAIN, THAT ALL
DEPENDS ON THE DESIGN.

Steve says YOUR VIEW IS CLEARLY
THE MORE CONVENTIONAL VIEW IN
THE COUNTRY, WHICH IS THAT THE
LACK OF A COHERENT CLIMATE
POLICY DID ADVERSELY AFFECT THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY AT THE BALLOT
BOX.
MARK TOWHEY IS NOT CONVINCED.

The caption changes to "Peter Loewen, @PeejLoewen."

Peter says I WANT TO AGREE WITH MARK ON
ONE THING.
THE TOTAL GLOBAL COHERENCY OF
ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY IN CANADA
IS YET TO BE ESTABLISHED.
LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.
SO ECONOMISTS WHO HAVE ONE VIEW
ON THIS TEND TO AGREE THAT
CARBON TAXES ARE A GOOD WAY TO
ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE BECAUSE
THEY THINK PUTTING A PRICE ON
EVERYTHING IS A GOOD WAY TO DEAL
WITH IT.
I AGREE WITH THAT.
IT'S HARD TO FIND AN ECONOMIST
WHO THINKS THAT THE CURRENT
PRICE ON CARBON IS ENOUGH TO
HAVE A BIG NOTICEABLE EFFECT.
SO IT'S A BIT LIKE SAYING THE
EVIDENCE IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE
CHEMOTHERAPY FOR CANCER AND LET
ME GIVE YOU A MINUSCULE AMOUNT.

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Steve says NOT GOING TO GET IT
DONE.

Peter says FOR THIS GOVERNMENT, TO BE
FAIR TO THEM, THERE WAS A LOT OF
POLITICAL CAPITAL THAT HAD TO BE
EXPENDED TO GET THIS PRICE ON
CARBON, TO GET A FLOOR PRICE
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
IT'S A DIFFICULT THING TO DO
POLITICALLY.
ONE OF THE COMPROMISES WAS TO
BRING IT IN AT A LOW ENOUGH
LEVEL THAT WASN'T REALLY GOING
TO BITE.

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Steve sits with different guests.

A caption on screen reads "Children's well-being: Toward 2030. On a global scale."

Steve says WE TALKED ABOUT THE
MILLIONS OF KIDS RIGHT NOW WHO
ORIGINALLY FROM SYRIA ARE NOW
FINDING THEMSELVES IN
NEIGHBOURING COUNTRIES,
OBVIOUSLY FAR AWAY FROM HOME,
AND IN DESPERATE CIRCUMSTANCES.
WHAT DO THEY DO FOR SCHOOL?

The caption changes to "David Morley. UNICEF Canada."

David is in his sixties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He's wearing rounded glasses, a black suit and a blue shirt.

He says WELL, IN SOME OF THE
COUNTRIES, WE'RE WORKING, WE AT
UNICEF ARE WORKING WITH LOCAL
MINISTRIES OF EDUCATION TO TRY
AND INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF
SCHOOL CAPACITY THAT'S THERE.
TURKEY, FOR INSTANCE, HAS HAD TO
DEAL WITH THIS INCREDIBLE
INFLUX.
THEY'VE TAKEN THE MOST CHILDREN.
AND THEY HAVE A QUESTION: DO YOU
TEACH THEM IN TURKISH OR DO YOU
TEACH THEM IN ARABIC?
BECAUSE ARE THEY GOING TO STAY
OR ARE THEY GOING TO GO BACK
HOME?
AND WHENEVER THERE'S A DIFFERENT
LANGUAGE ISSUE FOR REFUGEES,
THAT'S A HUGE, HUGE POLITICAL
ISSUE...

Steve says AND WHAT'S THE
ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION?

David says WELL, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU
COME AS FAR AS CANADA, YOU'RE
GOING TO TEACH PEOPLE IN ENGLISH
OR FRENCH, RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S
WHAT IT IS.
THE TURKISH SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS
DECIDED TO MAKE SPACE IN ARABIC
BECAUSE THEY'RE HOPING FOR PEACE
BECAUSE EVERYBODY YOU TALK TO...
I'VE BEEN IN REFUGEE CAMPS
TALKING WITH PARENTS AND
CHILDREN.
THEY WANT TO GO HOME.

A female voice says YES.

David says THEY WANT TO GO HOME.
AND YOU CAN SAY TO THEM, BUT,
YOU KNOW, YOUR HOME... I TRY NOT
TO SAY IT IN THIS WAY... BUT
YOUR HOME HAS BEEN DESTROYED AND
THEY KNOW IT BUT THEY STILL WANT
TO GO HOME.

A female voice says IT'S THEIR HEART.

David says IT'S THEIR HEART AND THEY
WANT TO GO BACK IN TIME.
THEY WANT TO GO HOME AND THEY
WANT TO REBUILD.

Steve says LINDSAY, HOW MUCH IS
RIGHT TO PLAY IN A LOT OF THESE
NEIGHBOURING COUNTRIES AROUND
SYRIA AND WHAT IMPACT CAN THEY
HAVE THERE?

The caption changes to "Lindsay Groves. Right to Play."

Lindsay is in her thirties, with long wavy blond hair. She's wearing a black sweater and a blue shirt.

She says RIGHT TO PLAY HAS BEEN
RESPONDING TO THE SYRIAN CRISIS
AND ALSO WORKING WITH
PALESTINIAN REFUGEES IN LEBANON,
JORDAN, AND PALESTINIAN REFUGEES
IN THE WEST BANK AND GAZA, AND I
THINK BUILDING ON YOUR POINT,
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE
REALLY SEEN AND WHAT'S UNIQUE
ABOUT THE CURRENT CRISIS IS THAT
THE LENGTH OF DISPLACEMENT NOW
IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT
WAS 20, 30 YEARS AGO.
IN THE '90s, THE AVERAGE
LENGTH OF DISPLACEMENT WAS ABOUT
9 YEARS.
NOW IT'S 20.

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Lindsay continues SO THAT MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, A
CHILD BORN TODAY WILL SPEND
THEIR ENTIRE LIFE IN
DISPLACEMENT.
I WAS IN JORDAN AND LEBANON
EARLIER THIS YEAR.
I MEAN, THOSE KIDS DON'T KNOW
SYRIA.
THEY ARE BORN IN JORDAN.
THEY WERE BORN IN LEBANON,
TRYING TO MAKE A LIFE.
BUT WE KNOW THAT IT'S ALSO
INCREDIBLY CHALLENGING WHAT
THEY'RE FACING IN THESE HOST
COUNTRIES.
WE DID A STUDY A COUPLE OF YEARS
AGO WITH THE INTERNATIONAL
INSTITUTE FOR CHILD RIGHTS AND
DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS LOOKING AT
THE EFFECTS OF... THE
PSYCHOSOCIAL EFFECTS AND HOW
PLAY CAN SUPPORT.

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Lindsay continues AND ONE OF THE MOST PROFOUNDLY
SHOCKING PIECES THAT I LEARNED
FROM THE STUDY WAS THAT THE
CHILDREN WE ENGAGED WITH
ACTUALLY FOUND THAT THEIR LIFE
IN THEIR HOST COUNTRY, IN THIS
CASE LEBANON, WAS MORE TRAUMATIC
THAN THEIR ACTUAL EXPERIENCE OF
SEEING FAMILY MEMBERS KILLED AND
FLEEING SYRIA BECAUSE OF THE
SOCIAL ISOLATION, THE LACK OF
ACCESS TO SOME FUNDAMENTAL
RIGHTS, LACK OF EDUCATION,
HEALTH CARE, SEEING THEIR
PARENTS NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO
WORK, RIGHT TO OWN PROPERTY, AND
NOT KNOWING WHEN THEY CAN
RETURN.

The caption changes to "Lindsay Groves, @RightToPlayCAN."

Lindsay continues SO THAT'S, COMING BACK TO YOUR
POINT EARLIER, KIM, THINKING
ABOUT THE TYPE OF PSYCHOSOCIAL
SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED SO THESE
KIDS CAN BE RESILIENT.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN
ENTIRE GENERATION POTENTIALLY IN
DISPLACEMENT, WHEN THEY DO GO
HOME, WHICH IS OUR HOPE, THAT
THEY ARE STRONG AND CAPABLE OF
TRANSFORMING THEIR COMMUNITY.

Steve says WHAT IS THE REALITY
LIKE FOR MANY INDIGENOUS KIDS IN
THIS PROVINCE?

The caption changes to "Kim Snow. Ryerson University."

Kim is in her fifties, with shoulder-length straight chestnut hair. She's wearing glasses and a black blazer.

She says IT VARIES COMMUNITY BY
COMMUNITY.
SOME OF OUR FLY-IN RESERVES ARE
FACED WITH LACK OF BASIC NEEDS.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOOD,
CLOTHING, WATER, HOUSING, RIGHT,
HOUSING SHORTAGES.
ON TOP OF THAT YOU HAVE SUICIDE
EPIDEMIC THAT WE SAW UNFOLD
AGAIN OVER THIS LAST WINTER
BREAK, OF VERY YOUNG CHILDREN.

Steve says HOW YOUNG?

Kim says I THINK THEY'RE AS YOUNG AS
11.

Steve says KILLING THEMSELVES?

The caption changes to "Kim Snow, @DrKimSnow."
Then, it changes again to "Home at home."

Kim says YES.
AND HOW AS A SOCIETY ARE WE
ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN WITHOUT
OUTRAGE?
AND THIS IS NOT JUST THE PAST
MONTH.
IF WE GO BACK YEAR AFTER YEAR
AFTER YEAR, WE CAN GO BACK
DECADES OF A SUICIDE EPIDEMIC.
THEN WE HAVE THEM PICKED UP AND
BROUGHT INTO CHILD WELFARE AND
VERY OFTEN BROUGHT SOUTH.
SO THINK ABOUT COMING FROM
HUDSON BAY AND BEING PLACED IN A
RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM IN
PETERBOROUGH, RIGHT?

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Steve says QUITE A CULTURE SHOCK.

Kim says IT'S QUITE A CULTURE SHOCK.
AND ARE WE PREPARED TO WELCOME
THEM?
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
BELONGING, HOW DO YOU HAVE THAT
CORE NEED, AND I THINK IT'S A
BASIC NEED, TO BELONG, HOW DO
YOU HAVE THAT CORE NEED OF
BELONGING WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE
YOUR FAMILY AND KIN AROUND?
AND THEN WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT
FOR ME IS WHO IS SAFEGUARDING
THAT CHILD?
WHOSE EYES ARE ON THAT CHILD TO
MAKE SURE THEY'RE SAFE DOWN IN
PETERBOROUGH?
BECAUSE I KNOW UP IN A RESERVE,
YOU MIGHT HAVE AN AUNTIE, A
STOREKEEP, YOU MIGHT HAVE A
TEACHER, YOU MIGHT HAVE A
MAINTENANCE PERSON WHO KNOWS
THIS YOUNG PERSON AND THEY HAVE
A RELATIONSHIP AND THEY'RE
WATCHING OUT FOR THEM.
WHEN THEY'RE A STRANGER DOWN
SOUTH, THAT'S WHAT THEY FEEL.
THEY FEEL I DON'T BELONG.
THEY EXPERIENCE RACISM.
AND DISCONNECT FROM THEIR
FAMILY.

Steve says LET'S PUT THIS IN A
CONTEXT THAT... A MORE
HISTORICAL CONTEXT.
PEOPLE ARE NOW AWARE OF THE
RAVAGES OF THE RESIDENTIAL
SCHOOL SITUATION IN THE PAST
HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.
IF YOU WERE TO COMPARE THE
NUMBER OF KIDS IN CARE TODAY TO
THE NUMBER OF KIDS WHO SUFFERED
AS A RESULT OF THE RESIDENTIAL
SCHOOL SYSTEM, WHAT'S THE
COMPARISON?

The caption changes to "Kim Snow. Ryerson University."

Kim says CINDY BLACKSTOCK TELLS US
THERE'S MORE KIDS IN RESIDENTIAL
CARE TODAY THAN THERE WERE AT
THE HEIGHT OF THE RESIDENTIAL
SCHOOL SYSTEM.

Steve says THAT'S SHOCKING.

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Kim says IT'S TRAGIC.
WE HAVE TO TURN THE TIDE.
AND WE KEEP, IN DIFFERENT WAYS,
DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND
OVER AGAIN.
WE NEED TO HELP INDIGENOUS
COMMUNITIES DEVELOP THEIR OWN
SELF GOVERNANCE OF CHILDREN'S
SERVICES, AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS,
WE WILL STOP... WE WILL CHANGE
OUR LEGACY OF REMOVING KIDS INTO
CHILD WELFARE.

The clips end and Nam stands in the studio alone.

She says THAT'S JUST SOME OF WHAT
WE COVERED THIS WEEK ON THE
AGENDA.
FOR MORE, INCLUDING THE FULL
CONVERSATIONS, YOU CAN VISIT OUR
WEBSITE tvo.org, OUR YouTube
CHANNEL AT youtube.com/theagenda
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