Transcript: Debriefing the 2019 Federal Leaders' Debate | Oct 08, 2019

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a blue suit, white shirt, and spotted blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "Debriefing the 2019 Federal Leaders' debate. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS
ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF ANY
FEDERAL CAMPAIGN.
SOMETIMES IT EVEN CHANGES THE
OUTCOME OF THE RACE.
LAST NIGHT, THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE
LEADERS' DEBATE MARKED A FEW
FIRSTS, FROM INCLUDING NEW
PARTIES TO A MULTI-MODERATOR
FORMAT.
DID THE DEBATE DO WHAT THE
VOTERS NEEDED TO HELP THEM
DECIDE?
LET'S ASK:
MARC KEALEY, FORMER ADVISOR TO
PRIME MINISTER JOHN TURNER, NOW
PRINCIPAL WITH THE STRATEGY
IMPLEMENTATION FIRM KEALEY AND
ASSOCIATES INC...

Marc is in his late fifties, clean-shaven, with short blond hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt and red tie.

Steve continues AMANDA GALBRAITH, COMMUNICATIONS
STAFFER IN STEPHEN HARPER'S
GOVERNMENT, NOW A PRINCIPAL AT
THE STRATEGY AND COMMUNICATIONS
FIRM NAVIGATOR.

Amanda is in her early forties, with long wavy chestnut hair. She's wearing a bright red blouse.

Steve continues FROM THE NATION'S CAPITAL, VIA SKYPE...
ANNE McGRATH, FORMER CHIEF OF
STAFF FOR JACK LAYTON, NOW AN
ASSOCIATE WITH THE PUBLIC
AFFAIRS TEAM AT HILL AND
KNOWLTON STRATEGIES...

Anne is in her sixties, with short gray hair. She's wearing a gray blazer and earphones. She sits inside a room in a home, with a bookrack behind.

Steve continues ABHIJEET MANAY, DEPUTY LEADER FOR THE GREEN PARTY OF ONTARIO...

Abhijeet is in his thirties, clean-shaven, with short black hair. He's wearing a blue suit, white shirt and green tie.

Steve continues JARED BROWN, LAWYER, AND A STRATEGIST FOR THE PEOPLE'S
PARTY OF CANADA...

Jared is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt and spotted red tie.

Steve continues AND, ERIN KELLY, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF ADVANCED SYMBOLICS INC.

Erin is in her forties, with long straight blond hair. She's wearing a black blazer and a burgundy shirt.

Steve continues IT'S GREAT TO HAVE APPARENTLY
SOMEBODY DECIDED WE NEEDED AS
MANY PEOPLE AROUND THIS TABLE
AND IN OTTAWA AS THEY HAD ON THE
STAGE OF THE DEBATE LAST NIGHT.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE
HIGHLIGHTS FIRST BECAUSE WE'VE
GOT TO DO THAT.
WE'LL DO SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS
FROM THE DEBATE AND WE'LL COME
BACK AND FIND OUT WHAT 300,000
PEOPLE THAT YOU SURVEYED LAST
NIGHT HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT.
SHELDON, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE?

A clip from the debate plays on screen with the caption "October 7, 2019."

In the clip, Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer says HE CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER HOW
MANY TIMES HE PUT BLACKFACE ON
BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER
IS HE'S ALWAYS WEARING A MASK.
HE PUTS ON A RECONCILIATION MASK
AND THEN FIRES THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL, THE FIRST ONE OF
INDIGENOUS BACKGROUND.

People's Party of Canada Leader Maxime Bernier says WE LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND IT'S
NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO HAVE A
DISCUSSION ABOUT IMMIGRATION...

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau says YOUR ROLE ON THIS STAGE
TONIGHT SEEMS TO BE TO SAY
PUBLICLY WHAT MR. SCHEER THINKS PRIVATELY.

Green Party Leader Elizabeth May says YOU ARE NOT CLEAR, ANDREW,
THAT WE WILL NEVER ALLOW A
SINGLE INCH OF RETREAT FROM THE
HARD-EARNED RIGHTS OF WOMEN IN
THIS COUNTRY, NOT ONE INCH.

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS
MR. TRUDEAU AND MR. SCHEER
ARGUING ABOUT WHO IS WORSE FOR CANADA.
[LAUGHTER]
WE'VE GOT TO START PRESENTING
WHO IS GOING TO BE BEST FOR CANADA.
YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHOOSE
BETWEEN MR. DELAY AND MR. DENY.

The clip ends.

The caption changes to "What do the numbers say?"

Steve says OKAY.
SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FROM LAST NIGHT.
ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK THEY HAD
THE BEST LINE OF THE NIGHT IN
THERE, WHICH WAS, IF YOU'RE SO
INTERESTED IN THE ONTARIO
POLITICAL SITUATION, THERE'S A
LIBERAL LEADERSHIP THAT'S VACANT RIGHT NOW.
THAT WAS ANDREW SCHEER'S LINE
AGAINST JUSTIN TRUDEAU, WHICH WAS PRETTY GOOD.
YOU'VE DONE THE SURVEYING.
UNLIKE THE OTHER POLLSTERS,
YOU'RE NOT DOING A FEW THOUSAND,
YOU'RE DOING 300,000.
WHO WON?

The caption changes to "Erin Kelly. Advanced Symbolics, Inc."

Erin says WE WATCHED THEM
LAST NIGHT AND THIS MORNING AND
MR. SINGH WAS THE CLEAR WINNER.
HE WAS THE CLEAR WINNER LAST
NIGHT WHEN HE PRESENTED.
HE GOT 15 TIMES THE LIFT THAT HE
HAD BEFORE THE DEBATE, AND HE
CONTINUED TO BE THE WINNER AFTER
THE DEBATE.
HE WAS THE ONLY LEADER OF THE
SIX WHO DID NOT SEE A DECLINE IN
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HIM.

Steve says JUST TAKE US THROUGH
THIS CHART AND IN DOING SO, LET
ME SET IT UP FOR THOSE WHO ARE
LISTENING ON PODCAST WHO CAN'T SEE IT.

A slate appears on screen, with the title "Increase in people engaged in leader after debate."

A bar chart shows that Singh increased engagement 15 times, followed by May with 11, Blanchet with 10 and Bernier with 8.

Steve reads data from the slate and says
ANDREW SCHEER WAS A LITTLE BIT LOWER.
THE BLOC LEADER IS QUITE HIGH.
ELIZABETH MAY QUITE HIGH.
MAXIME BERNIER ABOUT HALF OF
WHAT JAGMEET SINGH DID.
BUT MR. SINGH CLEARLY IS, YOU
KNOW, AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.

Erin says HE'S CLEAR AND
AWAY THE LEADER.
HE HAD A LOT OF GOOD MOMENTS.
HE EVEN HAD THE OTHER LEADERS
PRAISING HIM, WHICH WAS A HIGH
POINT FOR HIM, WHERE THEY ALL
SAID WE REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT
YOU'VE DONE FOR VISIBLE
MINORITIES IN CANADA AND YOU'RE
AN EXAMPLE.
AND PEOPLE WERE SAYING THAT EVEN
THE OTHER LEADERS LIKE JAGMEET
SINGH.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF... NOT
ONLY DID A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK
ABOUT HIM, IT WAS VERY POSITIVE.
PEOPLE WERE IMPRESSED.
THEY WERE IMPRESSED BY...
ESPECIALLY HIS INTERCHANGE WITH
MAXIME BERNIER WHERE HE SAID,
YOUR IDEAS DON'T DESERVE A
PLATFORM IN CANADA, SOMETHING TO
THAT EFFECT.
THAT REALLY RESONATED WITH
PEOPLE.
EVEN MORE THAN HIS DENY AND
DELAY, WHICH WAS NUMBER TWO OF
HIS INTERCHANGES.

Steve says WHAT WERE THE TOPICS
THAT VOTERS WERE MOST INTERESTED
IN AS YOU SURVEYED THE OPINIONS
LAST NIGHT?

Erin says IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING.
WHAT PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT DURING
THE DEBATE WAS DIFFERENT FROM
WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT AFTER THE
DEBATE.
THIS WAS REALLY INTERESTING.
GOING INTO THE DEBATE,
INDIGENOUS ISSUES WAS THE NUMBER
ONE THING DURING THE DEBATE THAT
PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT.
PEOPLE ALSO TALKED ABOUT TAXES.
THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT
MR. SCHEER, THE INTERCHANGE
BETWEEN TRUDEAU AND SCHEER ON
THE 50K, WHICH WAS OF COURSE
CUTTING TAXES ACROSS THE BOARD.
A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT
THAT.
THOSE WERE THE MAIN THINGS,
AFFORDABILITY, TAXES, DURING THE
DEBATE.
AFTER THE DEBATE...

Steve says LET'S PUT THIS CHART UP.
THAT WILL TAKE US RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S DURING THE DEBATE.
AFTER THE DEBATE, 30 MINUTES
AFTER, HERE'S HOW THINGS CHANGE.
AGAIN FOR THOSE LISTENING ON
PODCAST, TAKE US THROUGH THIS IN
SOME DETAIL.

Another bar chart appears titled "Increase in people engaged in issues after debate."

It shows that the biggest increase was on social issues, followed by environment and climate change.

Erin says THE ISSUES THAT LASTED AFTER
THE DEBATE WERE THE SOCIAL
ISSUES, THE DISCUSSIONS OF
ABORTION AND LGBTQ RIGHTS,
FOLLOWED BY ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
THOSE WERE THE THINGS... NOW,
THESE ARE INTERESTING BECAUSE
THESE ARE THE THINGS WHERE WE
HAVE SEEN BEFORE, THERE'S A LOT
OF DISAGREEMENT AMONG CANADIANS.
EVERYBODY CAN AGREE THAT
AFFORDABILITY IS AN ISSUE AND
THAT TAXES ARE AN ISSUE.
PEOPLE DISAGREE ON SOME OF THESE
VIEWS ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT
CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE RIGHTS OF
LGBTQ AND OF COURSE ABORTION
ISSUES.
NOW, CANADIANS ARE IN FAVOUR OF
ABORTION.
WHAT THE DISAGREEMENT WAS ABOUT
IF PEOPLE ELECTED A CONSERVATIVE
GOVERNMENT, WOULD THIS BE
REOPENED.
AS YOU REMEMBER, MR. SCHEER WAS
NOT CLEAR ABOUT THIS IN THE
FRENCH DEBATE.
HE WAS MUCH CLEARER LAST NIGHT.
BUT THERE WAS STILL THIS FEELING
THAT THERE'S AN AGENDA THERE.

Steve says FINALLY, BEFORE WE
GET EVERYBODY ELSE INVOLVED
HERE, TO WHAT EXTENT DOES YOUR
RESEARCH INDICATE THAT THE STATE
OF PLAY WAS CHANGED BY LAST
NIGHT'S LEADERS' DEBATE?

The caption changes to "Erin Kelly, @Polly_ASI."

Erin says WE SAW CHANGE AMONG THE
REGIONS, WHICH WE CAN TALK
ABOUT, PARTICULARLY IN ATLANTIC
CANADA AND QUEBEC, BUT THEY
NETTED EACH OTHER OUT.
IT WAS INTERESTING.
MR. SINGH DID BEST IN ATLANTIC
CANADA IN TERMS OF SEAT COUNT.
BUT HE PULLED AWAY FROM, IN THE
SWING RIDINGS BETWEEN THE
CONSERVATIVES AND LIBERALS, HE
PULLED AWAY FROM THE LIBERALS,
BRINGING THE CONSERVATIVES UP A
LITTLE BIT.
BUT ON THE NATIONAL SCALE,
BECAUSE MR. TRUDEAU WON SOME
GROUND IN QUEBEC LAST NIGHT, ON
A NATIONAL SCALE, IT MADE VERY
LITTLE DIFFERENCE, JUST A
ONE-SEAT DIFFERENCE FOR THE
LIBERALS, A TWO-SEAT LIFT FOR
THE NDP.
NOTHING FOR THE CONSERVATIVES.

Steve says IN ONTARIO, ANY CHANGE?

Erin says ONTARIO WAS NOT THE BIG... IT
WAS QUITE NEUTRAL LAST NIGHT.

Steve says OKAY.
MARC, LET ME GET YOU IN HERE.
THERE WERE MOMENTS WHEN ANDREW
SCHEER, WE SAW SOME OF THEM IN
THE LITTLE CLIP PACK OFF THE
TOP, WHERE ANDREW SCHEER WAS
BLISTERING AGAINST JUSTIN
TRUDEAU, CALLING HIM SOME REALLY
INTENSE STUFF.
HOW DID THE LIBERAL LEADER HOLD
UP IN YOUR VIEW?

The caption changes to "Marc Kealey. Kealey and Associates Inc."
Then, it changes again to "Yes, Prime Minister?"

Marc says HE DID REALLY WELL.
I'M GOING TO SAY AT THE OUTSET
THAT WAS THE WORST FORMAT FOR A
DEBATE ON PLANET EARTH.
WHOEVER DECIDED THAT, THEY
SHOULD BE EXPELLED.
THIS WAS A TERRIBLE FORMAT.

Steve says WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT.

Marc says YOU ASKED ME THE QUESTION,
BUT BASED ON THAT, I THINK
JUSTIN TRUDEAU, AS THE LEADER OF
THE LIBERAL PARTY, DID
EXTRAORDINARILY WELL GIVEN THAT
CRAZY FORMAT.

Steve says HOW MUCH DID ANDREW
SCHEER DO, AMANDA, TO INTRODUCE
HIMSELF TO CANADIANS WHO STILL
ARE UNSURE ABOUT HIM?

The caption changes to "Amanda Galbraith. Navigator."

Amanda says I THINK WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING AND WE SAW
IT IN THE FIRST DEBATE ON CITY
AND SPEAKING DIRECTLY ON CAMERA,
I THOUGHT HIM OFF THE TOP BEING
VERY AGGRESSIVE AND GETTING THAT
CLIP IN EARLY BEFORE PEOPLE
SLIPPED OFF AFTER TEN MINUTES OF
WATCHING THIS GONG SHOW WAS
SMART.
HIS ABILITY ISN'T SO MUCH IN A
DEBATE, ALTHOUGH IT WAS
IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WE GET THESE
COVERED IN FLASH POINTS BUT HIS
DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITY ON THE
CAMPAIGN, THE SOCIAL, DIGITAL
STUFF THEY'RE DOING IS CRITICAL.
PEOPLE ARE FAMILIARIZING
THEMSELVES WITH WHO HE WAS BUT
HE WASN'T AS WELL-KNOWN AFTER
THE CAMPAIGN.

Steve says WHAT DID YOU THINK
ABOUT THE ATTACKS ON TRUDEAU?

Amanda says HIS ATTACKS ON TRUDEAU?

Steve says YES.

Amanda says I THOUGHT TRUDEAU BENEFITED
FROM THE FORMAT.
AT SOME POINT I THOUGHT IS THE
PRIME MINISTER THERE?
HE'S NOT TALKING AT ALL.
WE'RE HEARING FROM ELIZABETH MAY
AND THE BLOC AND MAXIME BERNIER.
I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GO
AFTER HIM.
THE BLOC ASKED THE DIRECT
QUESTION TO SCHEER AS OPPOSED TO
TRUDEAU, FRANKLY.
HE DID WHAT HE NEEDED TO DO,
WHICH IS MOTIVATE HIS BASE AND
HIS VOTERS, AND I THINK MIX IT
UP AND BLOODY TRUDEAU A LITTLE
BIT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT.

Steve says ANNE, LET'S GET YOU IN HERE.
WE HEARD THAT POLLY, THE
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE
POLLSTER, THOUGHT JAGMEET SINGH
DID THE BEST.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, LAST
NIGHT, YOUR FORMER LEADER, TOM
MULCAIR, ON NATIONAL TELEVISION
THOUGHT JUSTIN TRUDEAU DID THE
BEST.
WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THAT?

The caption changes to "Anne McGrath. Hill+Knowlton Strategies."

Anne says WELL, I THINK
THAT TOM MULCAIR'S COMMENTS WERE
PRETTY ROUNDLY CRITICIZED AND
THERE'S A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT
WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE
THE RESULTS THAT ERIN PRESENTED
HERE, BUT IF YOU LOOK ACROSS
SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU'LL SEE LOTS
AND LOTS OF SUPPORT FOR WHAT
JAGMEET SINGH DID LAST NIGHT.
LISTEN, THIS WAS REALLY HIS
FIRST INTRODUCTION TO CANADIANS.
HE'S A RELATIVELY NEW LEADER.
HE'S ONLY BEEN IN THE POST ABOUT
TWO YEARS.
HE HASN'T RUN A FEDERAL CAMPAIGN
BEFORE, AND I THINK THAT HE
PRESENTED HIMSELF VERY, VERY
WELL.
HE WAS CALM.
HE WAS ASSURED.
HE HAD GOOD, STRONG POLICY
FOCUS.
THE GOAL FOR HIM GOING INTO THAT
WAS TO TRY AND MOVE AWAY FROM
ALL OF THE KIND OF NOISE AROUND
THIS CAMPAIGN AND IN A VERY
CHALLENGING FORMAT... I AGREE
WITH THE OTHERS ABOUT THAT... IN
A VERY CHALLENGING FORMAT, TO
TRY TO STAY FOCUSED ON THE
ISSUES AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
WERE NOTICED AND THAT PEOPLE
KNEW THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A
TWO-HORSE RACE.
AS HE SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE TO
CHOOSE BETWEEN BAD AND WORSE.

The caption changes to "Connect with us: Twitter: @theagenda; Facebook, agendaconnect@tvo.org, Instagram."

Steve says ACTUALLY HE HAD A
BETTER LINE THAN THAT.

Erin says DELAY AND DENY.

Steve says DELAY AND DENY.
USUALLY THE NDP LEADER SAYS TWEEDLE DUMB AND TWEEDLE DUMBER
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
LET'S GET ANALYSIS ON THE
GREENS.
ELIZABETH MAY HAS BEEN PART OF
THESE DEBATES FOR 13 YEARS NOW
AND, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC KNOWS
HER WELL, AND HER PERFORMANCES
OVER THE YEARS HAVE, YOU KNOW,
KIND OF ONLY GARNERED THE GREENS
ONE SEAT OVER THE COURSE OF HER
PARTICIPATION IN THESE DEBATES.
DO WE HAVE ANY REASON TO SUSPECT
THAT LAST NIGHT CHANGED ANY OF THAT?

The caption changes to "Abhijeet Manay. Green Party of Ontario."

Abhijeet says LAST NIGHT WAS THE CLIMATE
CHANGE DEBATE.
THIS ENTIRE ELECTION HAS BEEN
THE CLIMATE CHANGE ELECTION AND
THE ONE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT
THE GREENS HAVE BEEN AT IT FOR
DECADES AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL
THE OTHER PARTIES NOW HAVE A
CLIMATE CHANGE PLAN IS BECAUSE
OF THE ADVOCACY AND ALL THE HARD
WORK THAT THE GREENS HAVE BEEN
DOING FOR ALL THESE YEARS, NOT
TO MENTION THE FACT THAT
YESTERDAY IT WAS PRETTY EVIDENT
OF THE FACT THAT ELIZABETH MAY
WAS THE MOST COMPETENT AND THE
MOST EXPERIENCED LEADER ON STAGE
BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONE TALKING
ABOUT THE MOST SUBSTANCE.
WHENEVER PEOPLE WERE GIVING
ONE-LINERS AND ZINGERS, SHE WAS
THE ONE TALKING POLICY.
AND IT SHOWED.
NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT SHE
WAS ALSO THE ONLY ONE WHO HAD A
CONCILIATORY TONE, WHO WAS
TALKING ABOUT WORKING ACROSS
PARTY LINES.

Steve says SHE WASN'T VERY
CONCILIATORY WHEN SHE LOOKED AT
ANDREW SCHEER AND SAID "YOU'RE
NEVER GOING TO BE PRIME
MINISTER."

Abhijeet says WELL, SHE IS JUST BEING
HONEST THERE AND IT'S IMPORTANT
TO BE HONEST WITH THE COUNTRY
AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW
THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE
TO VOTE STRATEGICALLY, LIBERAL.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE
ENOUGH GREENS TO HOLD THEM TO
ACCOUNT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE
KEEP THEM HONEST.

Steve says THE BIGGEST CHANGE
IN LAST NIGHT'S DEBATE, OF
COURSE, WAS HAVING MAXIME
BERNIER THERE, THE PEOPLE'S
PARTY, BRAND NEW PARTY, FIRST
TIME OUT OF THE GATE.
IN YOUR VIEW, JARED, HOW DID HIS
PRESENCE AFFECT THINGS?

The caption changes to "Jared Brown. People's Party of Canada."
Then, it changes again to "Bernier's time to shine."

Jared says BEING THERE
OBVIOUSLY IS THE BIGGEST IMPACT
MAX CAN HAVE.
YOU KNOW, MAX IS TRYING TO
LEVERAGE THE IDEA THAT HE'S THE
ONLY REAL CONSERVATIVE IN THE
RACE AND YOU SAW THAT BEING
PLAYED OUT IN THE DEBATE.
HIS ENGAGEMENT WAS PRIMARILY
WITH MR. SCHEER.
IT WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT TO
MR. SCHEER THAT HE'S LOST HIS
WAY.
YOU SAW THAT MAX WAS POINTING
OUT THAT HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT
COMES AT THESE PROBLEMS AND BIG
ISSUES FROM A DIFFERENT
PERSPECTIVE.
HE BASICALLY IS POINTING TO THE
REST ON THE STAGE SAYING THEY'VE
ARRIVED AT A CONSENSUS ON HOW TO
GOVERN AND HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH
THAT CONSENSUS ON SOME OF THE
BIG ISSUES.
SO WHAT MAX IS DOING WAS
OBVIOUSLY BRINGING IN THAT
DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT THAT A LOT
OF PEOPLE IN THE ELECTORATE
BELIEVE IS UNDERSERVED.
I THINK HE DID THAT JOB.
CLEARLY HE WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS
AT THE BEGINNING, I THINK.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE POLLING FOR
MR. SINGH BEING BOOSTED IN THAT
EXCHANGE WHERE HE ACCUSED
MR. BERNIER OF HATE SPEECH.
I LOOK AT THAT FROM A DIFFERENT
PERSPECTIVE.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SINCE
STREAKS WITHIN THE CURRENT
LEFTIST POLITICAL CLIMATE AND I
THINK MR. BERNIER ACTUALLY DREW
THAT OUT FROM MR. SINGH.
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE
CONCERNED WHEN THEY HEARD
MR. SINGH SAY THAT HE WAS GOING
TO SHUT DOWN MR. BERNIER'S
IDEAS.

Steve says CAN I FOLLOW THAT UP
WITH ERIN?
YOU WOULD OBVIOUSLY KNOW THIS AS
A POLLSTER.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL LIE TO
POLLSTERS BECAUSE THEY THINK...
THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU THE ANSWER
THAT THEY THINK IS WHAT YOU WANT
TO HEAR AS OPPOSED TO TELL YOU
WHAT THEY REALLY FEEL, AND
NOWHERE WAS THAT MORE EVIDENT
THAN IN THE ELECTION OF DONALD
TRUMP WHERE SOME PEOPLE SAID
THEY WERE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR
TRUMP BUT OF COURSE PRIVATELY
DID.
IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO
MEASURE THAT, WHAT HE'S TALKING
ABOUT THERE?
MAYBE SOME PEOPLE LAST NIGHT
THOUGHT BERNIER DID BETTER THAN
THEY'RE PREPARED TO ADMIT TO YOU?

Erin says YES, ABSOLUTELY.
THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THE WAY
POLLY DOES, FIRST OF ALL, SHE IS
LOOKING AT PEOPLE USUALLY
SPEAKING TO THEIR SOCIAL
NETWORK.
BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK
TOGETHER.
WE SAW THAT TENDENCY IN THE
AMERICAN ELECTION AND ALSO IN
BREXIT, WE GOT THAT BANG-ON AS
WELL BECAUSE WE COULD SEE THAT
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THAT
THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR THE
UNPOPULAR PERSON OR IDEA.
WE ARE ABLE TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE
LIKE AND WHAT THEY READ AND WHAT
THEY APPROVE OF.
SO WE ARE DEFINITELY CUTTING
THROUGH THAT MATERIAL.
WHAT WE SAW LAST NIGHT WASN'T
JUST PEOPLE REACTING TO WHAT
MR. BERNIER HAD SAID, BUT ALSO
REACTING TO TWO POINTS OF WHAT
MR. SINGH HAD SAID.
YOU REMEMBER THERE WAS A POINT
IN THE DEBATE WHERE MR. SINGH
SAID, YES, WE HAVE AFFORDABILITY
ISSUES BUT LET'S NOT BLAME THE
15-YEAR-OLD REFUGEE OR THE
12-YEAR-OLD REFUGEE CHILD TO SAY
THAT IT IS THE IMMIGRANT WHO IS
WORKING 12-HOUR DAYS.
THERE'S A LOT OF REACTION THERE
BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN... I
MENTIONED THIS BEFORE ON THE
SHOW... PEOPLE BLAMING THE
INFLUX OF IMMIGRANTS FOR THE
RISE IN HOUSE PRICES AND THINGS
LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN MR. SINGH ADDRESSED
THAT, IT WAS POIGNANT AND PEOPLE
REALLY REACTED TO IT.
A LOT OF THE PUSHBACK THAT WE
ARE SEEING ON IMMIGRATION ISSUES
IS COMING FROM QUEBEC, BILL 21,
THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
THAT'S MORE WHERE IT'S
CONCENTRATED.
THE REST OF THE COUNTRY WE'RE
NOT SEEING IT SO MUCH.
WHEN MR. SINGH ADDRESSED THAT
LAST NIGHT, A LOT OF PEOPLE
REACTED TO THAT VERY EMOTIONALLY
AND THAT'S WHY HE WON THAT SIDE
OF IT.

Steve says THERE'S TWO WAYS TO
MEASURE WHO WINS THE DEBATE.
ONE WAY IS THE WAY WE HAVE BEEN
CHECKING IT SO FAR, ENGAGEMENT,
WHAT POLLS SAY.
ALL OF THAT THE DAY OVER, IT WAS
JAGMEET SINGH'S NIGHT.
THE OTHER WAY, AND, MARC, I'M
GOING TO MAKE YOU WAIT TO THE
END ON THIS ONE.

Marc says SURE.

Steve says THE OTHER WAY TO
JUDGE THESE THINGS IS, IF YOU
DON'T KILL THE KING, THE KING WINS.
DID ANYBODY KILL THE KING LAST NIGHT?

The caption changes to "Amanda Galbraith, @agalbraith."

Amanda says NO.
I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THEY DID.
I THOUGHT THAT FORMAT BENEFITED
THE PRIME MINISTER EXTREMELY
WELL.
HE DIDN'T HAVE TO EXCHANGE A
LOT.
WHEN HE DID GET INTO BATTLE, IT
WAS LIKE WITHIN A MINUTE AND A
HALF, A MINUTE AND 40 SECONDS,
AND HE WAS SMART... WHENEVER
ANYONE STARTED TO GET A LINE ON
HIM, HE STARTED TALKING AND ALL
OF A SUDDEN THE AUDIO WAS
UNUSABLE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS SMART.
I THINK SCHEER WENT OUT AND DID
WHAT HE HAD TO DO.
I THINK JAGMEET SINGH WAS THE
CLEAR WINNER.
I THINK EVERYONE WOULD AGREE
WITH THAT GENERALLY.
HE GOT THE TRUDEAU 2015
SYNDROME, WE ALL HAD SUCH LOW
EXPECTATIONS FOR THE PRIME
MINISTER AT THE TIME.
HE COULD PUT HIS PANTS ON AND
SHOW UP AT THE DEBATE, HE'D BE
GREAT, RIGHT?
WHEN HE WAS COMING INTO THIS
CAMPAIGN, WE WOULDN'T THOUGHT HE
WOULD BE LEADER BY THE END OF
THIS.
WE'RE SEEING THIS POISED,
ELOQUENT, LIKE RELATABLE GUY,
WHICH IS UNIQUE ON THAT STAGE OF
A LOT OF PRACTISED POLITICIANS.
I THINK SCHEER DID WHAT HE
NEEDED TO DO.
I DO NOT THINK ANYBODY KILLED
THE KING WHICH IS WHY THE PRIME
MINISTER BENEFITS WHEN HE'S
GOING INTO A FRENCH DEBATE WHICH
HE IS GOING TO BENEFIT IN AS
WELL.

Steve says ANNE, DID ANYBODY
KNOCK THE KING OFF HIS PEDESTAL LAST NIGHT?

A map appears briefly showing the location of Ottawa.

The caption changes to "Anne McGrath, @NDPAnne."

Anne says I THINK
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS
CAMPAIGN... YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL
SAID THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A
REAL KNOCK-OUT PUNCH IN A
DEBATE.
BUT THE NARRATIVE IS BUILDING
THAT FOR PROGRESSIVE VOTERS,
MANY OF WHOM WOULD HAVE BEEN NDP
VOTERS LAST TIME AND INSTEAD
VOTED FOR THE LIBERALS IN THE
HOPES THEY WOULD GET A
PROGRESSIVE GOVERNMENT, MANY OF
THOSE PROGRESSIVE VOTERS ARE
STARTING TO GET A LEVEL OF, YOU
KNOW, DISILLUSIONMENT,
DISAPPOINTING IN THE PRIME
MINISTER.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S LIKE A
KILL THE KING MOMENT, BUT I
THINK IT IS A GRADUAL, YOU KNOW,
FEELING AMONGST PROGRESSIVE
VOTERS THAT HE'S NOT WHO HE SAYS HE IS, THAT HE HAS NOT LIVED UP
TO THE EXPECTATIONS, SO PEOPLE
WHO VOTED FOR HIM WITH GREAT
HOPE ARE QUITE DISAPPOINTED AND
I THINK THE FACT THAT JAGMEET
DID SO WELL LAST NIGHT IN THE
DEBATE WHEN THERE WERE MORE
PEOPLE WATCHING WILL REALLY
CONTRIBUTE TO THAT NARRATIVE.

Steve says THERE WAS A MOMENT
LAST NIGHT, ABHILJEET, WHERE
ELIZABETH MAY LOOKED AT JUSTIN
TRUDEAU, I HOPE YOU DON'T GET A
MAJORITY GOVERNMENT BECAUSE,
DOT, DOT, DOT.
DID SHE KILL THE KING?

The caption changes to "Abhijeet Manay, @AbhijeetMonet."

Abhijeet says WHAT WAS A
BETTER LINE WAS WHEN SHE LOOKED
AT HIM AND WITH GENUINE FEELING
SAID IT WAS HEARTBREAKING THAT
WHEN YOU PROMISED SOMETHING IN
2015 AND DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH
WITH IT, I THINK THAT WAS
SOMETHING THAT CAUGHT MY
ATTENTION AND A LOT OF FOLKS
TOLD ME THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING
THAT REMINDED THEM THAT THEY HAD
VOTED LIBERAL IN 2015 AND NOW
THEY'RE GOING TO BE VOTING THEIR
CONVICTION.

Steve says JARED?

Jared says I THINK NOBODY
KILLED THE KING BUT I THINK THE
KING DISAPPEARED INTO A SEA OF
PROGRESSIVE POLITICS, THE ENTIRE
DEBATE BEING DOMINATED AND
STEERED TO PROGRESSIVE DEBATING
TOPICS.
I THINK WHAT CAME OUT OF IT IS
THAT MR. TRUDEAU DISAPPEARED
INTO THE SEA OF HIS COMPETITION,
WHO I WOULD SAY IS EVERYBODY ON
THAT STAGE, FROM THE LEFTIST OR
PROGRESSIVE VIEWPOINT.

Erin says CAN I SAY
SOMETHING ON THAT?
I THINK THAT WAS ON PURPOSE.
BECAUSE TRUDEAU WANTED TO... HE
WANTED TO SHOW THE PEOPLE THAT
HE WAS WORRIED WE'RE GOING TO
BLEED TO THE NDP, THAT HE WAS
SENSITIVE.
THAT'S WHY HE KEPT BRINGING UP
THE 50K TAX CUT AND WE SAW THAT
THAT WORKED.
SO I THINK THAT WAS ON PURPOSE.
HE WANTED TO WIN OVER THE NDP
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE HE FELT HE
WAS AT RISK OF LOSING AND THAT
WAS TRUE LAST NIGHT BECAUSE OF
MR. SINGH'S PERFORMANCE.
HAD HE NOT BEEN ABLE TO WRESTLE
THAT VOTE BACK AND TO SHOW THAT
HE ALSO COULD BE PROGRESSIVE,
THAT WOULD HAVE HURT HIM MORE
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY HE ONLY
WAS DOWN BY ONE SEAT.

Steve says MARC, WE HAVE TESTED
YOUR PATIENCE.
YOU HAVE HEARD ALL THE ANALYSIS HERE.
NOW YOU GET TO RESPOND.

The caption changes to "Marc Kealey, KealeyMarc."

Marc says NOW, LOOK.
I'M NOT GOING TO GET SUBJECTIVE
ON THIS.
I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT
CAMPAIGN FOR THE LIBERAL PARTY.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT HOW
JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS CAMPAIGNING
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, GREAT
CROWDS, EVERYBODY IS SMILING.
THEY'RE HAPPY.
I THINK IF YOU LISTENED
OBJECTIVELY TO CANADIANS, I
DON'T THINK THERE'S THIS
BLOODY-MINDEDNESS THAT THIS
COUNTRY IS GOING TO HELL IN A
HANDBASKET.
I THINK THE DEBATE LAST NIGHT,
AND I'LL TAKE WHAT YOU SAID AS
MEANING THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU,
JARED, HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY
THINGS... IT WAS UNFORTUNATE
THAT THE DEBATE FORMAT NEVER
ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN.
AS I'M GOING TO GO BACK, IT WAS
A BRUTAL FORMAT AND WHOEVER WAS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, I THINK IT
WAS GREAT BECAUSE IT CERTAINLY
GAVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
CHANGE THE CHANNEL, AND THAT
CERTAINLY AFFECTED, I THINK,
PEOPLE'S REACTION TO SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT YOU WERE TALKING
ABOUT.
LET ME JUST TALK ABOUT THIS.
YOU HAVE FIVE LEADERS OF FIVE
DIFFERENT PARTIES AGAINST ONE
LEADER OF THE GOVERNING PARTY,
AND THAT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE GUYS TO
TRY TO KILL THE KING AND IT
NEVER WORKED.
HE'S GOT A RECORD.
HE DEFENDED HIS RECORD LAST
NIGHT EXTRAORDINARILY WELL.
AND I THINK THAT THAT WEIGHS OUT
WHEN YOU SAID THAT... HE DIDN'T
GET A NEGATIVE LIFT, HE GOT A
LIFT.

The caption changes to "Watch us anytime: tvo.org, Twitter: @theagenda, Facebook Live, YouTube."

Erin says ACTUALLY, WHAT
HE DID VERY WELL WAS SAY... THE
PEOPLE ON THE LEFT WANT ME TO DO
MORE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, WANT
ME TO DO MORE... THE PEOPLE ON
THE RIGHT WANT ME TO DO LEFT.
HE SHOWED HIMSELF TO BE THE
MIDDLE WAY.
THAT IS WHAT HE HAD TO DO AND I
THINK HE DID THAT.

Marc says THANKS FOR
AGREEING WITH ME, ERIN.

Erin says WELL, ALL HE
HAD TO DO WAS HOLD HIS POSITION,
LIKE ELIZABETH MAY SAID.
HE IS IN THE LEAD.
YOU WANT TO KEEP THE LEAD.

Marc says RIGHT.
IT'S INTERESTING TOO BECAUSE
LEADERS OF THE OTHER PARTIES,
ESPECIALLY ELIZABETH MAY, HAVE
TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE.
THEY SWUNG THE PENDULUM WAY, WAY
TO WHATEVER SIDE TO MAKE THE
POINT, AND I THINK JUSTIN
TRUDEAU BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE
CENTRE AND MADE VERY GOOD LINES
LAST NIGHT THAT, IN MY OPINION,
HELD HIS GROUND.

Erin says HE DID A GREAT
ONE WITH MR. BLANCHET BECAUSE HE
LOST A LOT OF GROUND IN THE
FRENCH ONE WITH MR. BLANCHET
WHEN HE SAID QUEBECERS CAN BE
LIKE CANADIANS, MR. BLANCHET,
BECAUSE THEY ARE CANADIANS AND
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE ON MY
WATCH.
AND HE STOPPED THERE...

Steve says THAT WAS A GOOD LINE.

Marc says THAT WAS A GREAT LINE.

Erin says IT DIDN'T FEEL
SCRIPTED.
IT WAS IN THE MOMENT BECAUSE OF
SOMETHING BLANCHET HAD SAID.
IT WORKED WELL AND HE GOT THREE
SEATS UP IN QUEBEC OVER THAT.

Steve says REALLY?
YOU COULD TRACK THAT, AS A
RESULT OF THAT LINE?

Erin says NOT JUST THAT
LINE BUT THAT WAS A VERY GOOD
POINT FOR HIM LAST NIGHT.

Steve says AMANDA, CAN I ASK
YOU ABOUT THE
BLACKFACE-BROWNFACE STUFF.

Amanda says SURE.

Steve says DID IT COME UP ONCE
LAST NIGHT AND THAT WAS IT?
IT BARELY CAME UP IF IT CAME UP AT ALL.

The caption changes to "Bringing up the past."

Amanda says SCHEER
RAISED IT AND THE PRIME MINISTER
ATTACKED JAGMEET SINGH ON IT,
WHICH WAS BIZARRE, TO BE HONEST.

Steve says WOULD YOU HAVE
EXPECTED THAT TO COME UP MORE IN
A DEBATE WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING
TO GET AT THE PRIME MINISTER?

Amanda says I WOULDN'T HAVE EXPECTED IT,
FRANKLY, TO BE A BIGGER DEAL
THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IT TO BE
PERIOD IN THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN.
WHEN IT HAPPENED, I WAS LIKE
GOBSMACKED.
I THOUGHT, OH, WELL, THIS IS
BLOWING IT WIDE OPEN.
AND THREE DAYS LATER, IT'S RIGHT
BACK TO THE NUMBERS AND NOTHING
SHIFTED.
I THINK ANDREW SCHEER RIGHTFULLY
WENT AFTER HIM DIRECTLY...

Steve says BUT JUST ONCE.

Amanda says JUST ONCE.
PARTIALLY BECAUSE THEY LOOKED AT
THE SAME POLLING THAT YOU GUYS
ARE SEEING AND IT'S NOT GETTING
A LOT OF TRACTION WITH
CANADIANS.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THINGS
THAT ACTUALLY MOVE YOUR VOTE.
I DID THINK THAT THE PRIME
MINISTER'S ATTACK ON JAGMEET
SINGH ABOUT NOT DEFENDING
MULTICULTURALISM ENOUGH ON BILL
21 WHEN HE KIND OF MAYBE MIGHT
SORT OF... MAYBE MIGHT
INTERVENE.
THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING HIM
FROM DOING IT RIGHT NOW HIS
ELECTORAL PROSPECT IN QUEBEC WAS
WAY OVER THE LINE AND COMPLETELY
BIZARRE AND VERY RISKY, GIVEN HE
WAS MR. BLACKFACE LIKE A WEEK
AND A HALF AGO.
[LAUGHTER]
I THOUGHT... THE WHOLE DEBATE
AROUND THAT ISSUE WAS VERY
STRANGE.
I THINK PART OF IT IS CANADIANS
ARE SEEING SO MUCH ATTACK AND
THIS OUTRAGE CULTURE AND THEY
THINK BACK TO STUFF THEY PUT ON
SOCIAL MEDIA... I DON'T THINK
ANY OF US ARE WEARING BLACKFACE
SEEMS, WE DON'T REMEMBER HOW
MANY TIMES WE'VE DONE IT.
WE'VE DONE SOMETHING STUPID.
THEY'RE MORE FORGIVING THAN
PEOPLE EXPECT THEM TO BE.

Steve says ANNE, I DON'T KNOW
HOW MUCH OR ANY INFLUENCE YOU
HAD IN THE FORMULATION OF
MR. SINGH'S APPROACH LAST NIGHT,
BUT I WONDER IF YOU SUSPECT
THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
HOW HARD MR. SINGH SHOULD GO AT
MR. TRUDEAU ON THIS ISSUE GIVEN
THAT, I THINK POLLY CONFIRMED
THIS, IT'S KIND OF BEEN JAGMEET
SINGH'S FINEST MOMENT IN PUBLIC
LIFE THE WAY HE HAS RESPONDED TO
THIS ISSUE.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT?

Anne says SO HE'S HAD A
FEW VERY, VERY GOOD MOMENTS
DURING THIS CAMPAIGN.
SO HE WENT INTO THIS DEBATE
HAVING BUILT UP A LOT OF
CREDIBILITY, I THINK, AMONGST
THE FEW PEOPLE THAT WERE
WATCHING.
I THINK MORE PEOPLE WATCHED LAST
NIGHT.
AND I DO THINK THAT HIS GOAL WAS
TO TRY... YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A
SENSE THAT PEOPLE ARE AT LEAST
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FACT THAT
THERE IS SO LITTLE DISCUSSION
ABOUT POLICY, THAT SO MUCH OF IT
IS ABOUT THROWING ATTACKS AT
EACH OTHER AND THAT KIND OF
THING.
SO I THINK THAT HIS GOAL GOING
INTO THE DEBATE LAST NIGHT WAS
TO TRY AND PULL IT BACK TO SOME
OF THE REALLY IMPORTANT POLICY
ISSUES THAT HE'S BEEN
CAMPAIGNING ON, AND I THINK THAT
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF POLICY
IN THIS CAMPAIGN, BUT IT ISN'T
BEING TALKED ABOUT.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED
TO DO IN THAT.
AND I ALSO DON'T KNOW IF IT'S
REALLY... I MEAN, HIS VERY
PRESENCE THERE I THINK MAKES A
STATEMENT ABOUT HIS VIEWS ON
THESE ISSUES, AND IN FACT IF I
COULD JUST SAY SOMETHING ABOUT
THE NUMBERS AS WELL?
I'M HAPPY TO SEE ALL THESE
NUMBERS AND I KNOW THAT NOT MUCH
HAS SHIFTED IN TERMS OF VOTING
INTENTION FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE,
BUT WE'RE COMING UP TO ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENTS IN
THIS CAMPAIGN I THINK AND THAT
IS FOLLOWING THIS BIG DEBATE
TONIGHT, THEN THE FRENCH
LANGUAGE DEBATE ON THURSDAY.
WE THEN HAVE THANKSGIVING
DINNER, THANKSGIVING WEEKEND.
I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO SEE
ANY KIND OF MOVEMENT IN THE
NUMBERS, IT IS GOING TO BE OVER
THE LONG WEEKEND.

Steve says HMM.
AS PEOPLE GET A CHANCE TO SIT
DOWN AND TALK WITH FRIENDS AND
FAMILY ABOUT IT; IS THAT WHAT
YOU MEAN?

The caption changes to "tvo.org/theagenda; agendaconnect@tvo.org."

Anne says YEAH.
USUALLY AFTER A DEBATE, THAT
DOES HAVE KIND OF DEFINING
MOMENTS.
IT TAKES ABOUT 48 HOURS OR SO TO
START TO PERCOLATE AND MAKE A
DIFFERENCE.
YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER IN THE 2011
DEBATE, PEOPLE DIDN'T THINK THAT
JACK LAYTON HAD DONE
PARTICULARLY WELL AND VOTERS
DISAGREED.

Steve says INDEED THEY DID.
MARC, I WANT TO ASK YOU... I
WANT YOU TO FOLLOW UP ON
AMANDA'S COMMENTS.
DID YOU FIND IT PRECIOUS OF THE
PRIME MINISTER TO LOOK AT
JAGMEET SINGH AND SAY YOU
HAVEN'T REALLY COME DOWN HARD
ENOUGH ON BILL 21 WHEREAS I'M
THE ONLY LEADER HERE WHO HAVE
SAID THAT I MAY AT SOME POINT IN
THE FUTURE KEEP OPEN THE OPTION
OF DOING SOMETHING FORMALLY
ABOUT THIS.
IT SEEMED A BIT ODD.

The caption changes to "La belle province."

Marc says WELL, OKAY.
I'M NOT GOING TO PULL OUT, YOU
KNOW, THE RATIONALE FOR WHY HE
WOULD MAKE THAT COMMENT, BUT I
WILL SAY THAT I THINK THERE'S
ABSOLUTE... I'M GOING TO SAY,
FROM THE NDP'S CAMPAIGN, I THINK
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TENSION
IN TERMS OF THAT ISSUE IN THE
PROVINCE OF QUEBEC AS IT RELATES
TO THE NDP.
SO I THINK HE CALLED IT OUT.
AND I THINK THAT WAS THE ISSUE.
THERE WAS A VERY INTERESTING...
MORE SO THAN THAT WAS THAT THE
BLOC LEADER WAS ACTUALLY CALLING
OUT THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY FOR A
LOT OF THESE KINDS OF ISSUES AS
IT RELATED TO BILL 21.
SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY IN
AGREEMENT THAT THE PRIME
MINISTER MADE A MISTAKE DOING
THAT BECAUSE I THINK HE KNOWS
THAT HE COULD PROBABLY FILL IN
THE GAP THAT WAS LEFT BY WHAT
JAGMEET SINGH HAD SAID AT THE
OUTSET ON THAT.

Steve says OKAY.
I WANT, ERIN, YOU TO COME IN AT
THIS POINT, AND I WANT TO VERY
DELICATELY DEAL WITH AN ISSUE
THAT EXPLODED ON SOCIAL MEDIA
OVER THE WEEKEND BUT NOT ONE
WORD OF IT HAS APPEARED IN
LEGACY MEDIA.
YOU DIDN'T READ ANYTHING ABOUT
IT IN THE PAPERS.
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT ON THE LOCAL
NEWS OR THE NATIONAL NEWS, FOR
THAT MATTER.
AND THAT IS, THERE WAS A LOT OF
GOSSIP BEING TRADED IN OVER THE
WEEKEND ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT
WHY JUSTIN TRUDEAU LEFT HIS JOB
AS A TEACHER IN BRITISH COLUMBIA
MIDWAY THROUGH THE SCHOOL YEAR,
AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO REPEAT
ON THIS PROGRAM ANY OF THE
ALLEGATIONS THAT WERE MADE
BECAUSE NOTHING'S BEEN PROVEN.
SUFFICE IT TO SAY, THERE WAS A
TON OF ENGAGEMENT ABOUT IT ON
SOCIAL MEDIA OVER THE WEEKEND.
AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO
UNDERSTAND IS WHETHER OR NOT,
EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T SHOW UP IN
LEGACY MEDIA, THAT HAS AN IMPACT
THAT YOU CAN DISCERN ON PEOPLE'S
VOTING INTENTIONS?

Erin says THIS WAS REALLY
INTERESTING FOR US BECAUSE WE
DISCUSSED IT IN OUR MEETING THIS
WEEK AND WE SAID, THIS MIGHT BE
OUR FIRST ABILITY TO TEST THE
CONCEPT OF MANUFACTURED NEWS OR
FAKE NEWS IN AN ELECTION,
BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW... WE
DON'T KNOW THE VERACITY OF IT.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN
UNSUBSTANTIATED, IT'S A WAY FOR
US TO LOOK AT HOW IT MOVES
THROUGH THE SOCIAL NETWORK.
SO IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING.
IT MOVED THE WAY WE THOUGHT IT WOULD.

Steve says WHICH MEANS WHAT?

Erin says WE CREATED DIFFERENT SAMPLES,
SAMPLES OF PEOPLE WE KNOW ARE
FAR-RIGHT CONSERVATIVES,
FAR-RIGHT LEFT, VERY CENTRIST,
AND ALL OF THESE HAD BEEN
EXPOSED TO THIS STORY.
IN CERTAIN CIRCLES, THE STORY
TRAVELLED MUCH MORE QUICKLY THAN
IN THE CENTRIST CIRCLES.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD HAVE
EXPECTED FOR A STORY THAT IS
UNSUBSTANTIATED AND IS NOT IN
THE MAINSTREAM.
YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT IT STAYS
WITHIN ITS NETWORK.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT IT BLEEDS
OUT OF ITS MAIN NETWORK, THEN
YOU SAY, THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE
ELECTION, THIS IS... AND YOU
WORRY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S
UNSUBSTANTIATED AND YET IT'S
TRAVELLING THROUGH NORMAL
NETWORKS.
THIS ONE HAS STAYED WITHIN ITS
OWN NETWORK.
SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY
GOING TO... WHO ARE NOT GOING TO
VOTE FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND ARE
QUITE ON THE FAR RIGHT WERE
CIRCULATING THIS MUCH MORE
QUICKLY AND WERE MUCH MORE
BELIEVING OF IT.
PEOPLE IN THE CENTRIST WERE MUCH
MORE SKEPTICAL.
THIS IS UNSUBSTANTIATED, IT
SOUNDS LIKE FAKE NEWS.
IS IT JUST SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE
TRYING TO PUT IN THERE TO SWAY
VOTES WITHOUT HAVING THE
MAGNIFYING GLASS.

Steve says BOTTOM LINE, NOT IMPACTFUL...

Erin says IT HAS NOT IMPACTED SO FAR.

Steve says GOOD TO KNOW.
ALL RIGHT.
I WANT TO MAKE MARC'S DREAMS
COME TRUE NOW AND HAVE A
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FORMAT OF
LAST NIGHT'S DEBATE.
WE KNOW HE HAS WEIGHED IN AND
DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF IT.
OKAY.
LET'S GET TO THIS.
JARED, WHAT DID YOU THINK?

The caption changes to "A new way of doing things."

Jared says THE FORMAT OF THE DEBATE?
WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE
ON A STAGE, I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN
DO MUCH BETTER.
ONCE YOU INVITE EVERYONE TO THE
RODEO, YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME
INTERESTING APPROACHES.
NOBODY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO
GET, YOU KNOW, ANY SORT OF CORE
MESSAGING OUT IN ANY GREAT WAY.
LIKE I SAID, I THINK THEY DID AS
GOOD AS THEY COULD.
I THOUGHT THE MODERATORS DID A
FINE JOB.
AND THEY DID ALLOW A LITTLE BIT
OF ONE-ON-ONE SPARRING.
THERE WAS SOME OVERTALKING IN
THE BEGINNING THAT A LOT OF
PEOPLE DID ACKNOWLEDGE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE
PERSPECTIVE OF MAXIME BERNIER,
HE GOT SOME AIR TIME THAT HE
WOULDN'T HAVE OTHERWISE
RECEIVED.
I THINK HE DID MANAGE HIT SOME
OF THE NOTES THAT HE NEEDED TO
HIT.
BUT ABSOLUTELY, IT'S PROBABLY
THE BEST YOU CAN DO IN THE
CIRCUMSTANCES.

Steve says AGAIN, FOR THOSE WHO
MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT LAST NIGHT,
HERE IS SOME OF WHAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
SHELDON, IF YOU WOULD?

Another clip from the debate plays.

Singh says WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT
OUR EMISSIONS BY MORE THAN HALF.

[Speaking simultaneously]

May says YOU NEED TO HAVE A PLAN THAT
IS ROOTED... IN OUR KIDS' FUTURE.

[Speaking simultaneously]

Bernier says I JUST WANTED TO ADD...

[Speaking simultaneously]

Singh WE'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT.

Bernier says PEOPLE MUST KNOW THAT, THAT
MR. SCHEER...

The clip ends.

Steve says SOMETIMES IT WAS
PRETTY TOUGH TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
WAS GOING ON.
ANNE, WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE
DEBATE FROM THAT STANDPOINT?

Anne says I THINK IT
WAS NOT AS BAD AS I FEARED.
I MEAN, I WENT INTO IT EXPECTING
A COMPLETE AND TOTAL GONG SHOW
AND I WAS QUITE WORRIED ABOUT
THE FORMAT.
SO IT WAS NOT REALLY AS BAD AS I
FEARED.
THERE WERE SOME MOMENTS WHERE
YOU GOT SOME GOOD POINTS OUT.
THERE WERE SOME GENUINE MOMENTS
BETWEEN DIFFERENT LEADERS.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO
RE-EXAMINE THE WHOLE DEBATES
COMMISSION BECAUSE IT HASN'T
WORKED.
THE IDEA WAS THAT IT WAS GOING
TO BE MORE REGULATED, YOU KNOW,
AND THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE THE
ENGLISH DEBATE AND THE FRENCH
DEBATE AND THE TVA DEBATE GOT
ADDED IN.
IT'S JUST BEEN A MESS, REALLY,
THE WHOLE DEBATE COMMISSION
THING.
I DO BELIEVE THAT PUTTING MAXIME
BERNIER IN THE DEBATE WAS A
MISTAKE.
HE DID NOT MEET THE CRITERIA.
AND THAT WAS JUST... MAYBE A
POLITICAL DECISION ON THE PART
OF THE DEBATES COMMISSION NOT
WANTING TO TAKE THE FLAK OR
WHATEVER.
HE DID NOT BELONG THERE, WHICH
IS NOT JUST BECAUSE OF HIS VIEWS
WHICH I THINK ARE ANATHEMA TO
MANY OF US, BUT BECAUSE I DIDN'T
MEET THE CRITERIA AS A LEADER.

Steve says IN TERMS OF PEOPLE
UNDERSTANDING ISSUES BETTER,
GIVING LEADERS A CHANCE TO
SHINE, GIVING THE VOTERS A SENSE
OF MAYBE WHO TO VOTE FOR AFTER
ALL WAS SAID AND DONE.
WHAT DID YOU THINK?

Abhijeet says I THOUGHT
THE FORMAT WAS PERFECTLY FINE.
THE PARTICIPANTS WERE THE ONES
TO BLAME FOR TALKING OVER EACH
OTHER.
THERE WERE MOMENTS WHEN THERE
WAS ACTUAL CONVERSATION
HAPPENING BUT A LOT OF THE TIME
IT WAS STRATEGY GOING ON TO MAKE
SURE YOU DROWN OUT THE OTHER
PERSON SO THEY DON'T GET THEIR
POINT ACROSS.
I THINK THE MODERATORS DID A
FANTASTIC JOB, ESPECIALLY
ROSEMARY BARTON AND ALTHIA RAJ
OUTSHONE EVERYONE.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT EARLIER
CLIP, YOU CAN SEE THE LOOK ON
ELIZABETH'S FACE OF UTTER DISMAY
OF THE IMPOLITENESS OF EVERYONE
TALKING OVER EACH OTHER AND JUST
MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE CAN GET
A FAIR CHANCE.
AND I THINK THE FORMAT ISN'T TO
BLAME.
I THINK IT'S THE PARTICIPANTS.

Steve says AMANDA, YOUR VIEW?

Amanda says I THOUGHT
THE FORMAT WAS ATROCIOUS.
I DON'T THINK THAT MAXIME
BERNIER HAD A PLACE ON THE STAGE
AND I AGREE WITH ANNE, IT'S NOT
ABOUT HIS VIEWS, WHICH I'LL PARK
MY COMMENTS ABOUT THOSE, BUT HE
DIDN'T MEET THE LITMUS TEST.
IT'S A BRAND NEW PARTY.
THEY HAVEN'T ELECTED ANYONE.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY HE WAS THERE.

Steve says WE KNOW THE
EXPLANATION THE DEBATES
COMMISSION GAVE.

Amanda says POLLING...

Steve says POLLING SUGGESTS HE
HAS A CHANCE OF BEING
COMPETITIVE IN A FEW RIDINGS.

Amanda says WHICH IS ALSO WHY YOU DON'T
HAVE A DEBATE COMMISSION DICTATE
THIS KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT?
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO FORMER
GOVERNOR GENERAL JOHNSON WHO IS
A WONDERFUL MAN, I JUST THINK
THIS WAS A BIT OF A POLITICAL
BEAST AND GOT MANIPULATED BY
LOTS OF PEOPLE.
I ALSO THOUGHT HAVING SO MANY
MODERATORS WAS A DISSERVICE.
IT WAS GREAT TO SEE LOTS OF
WOMEN UP THERE.
YOU MODERATE DEBATES.
YOU GET INTO IT AND ALL OF A
SUDDEN YOU'RE YANKED OFF,
THERE'S A NEW PERSON, THERE'S
DIFFERENT PACING.
IT'S A CHALLENGING FORMAT UNTO
ITSELF.
THE IDEA OF DRAWING RANDOM
ISSUES, LIKE HEALTH CARE WASN'T
ON THE TABLE AT ALL.
THAT'S A PRETTY BIG ISSUE FOR
CANADIANS AND A PRETTY BIG
BUDGET NUMBER.

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Steve says PHARMACARE CAME UP A LOT.

Amanda says BECAUSE THEY FORCED IT IN.
JAGMEET SINGH AND ELIZABETH MAY
FORCED IT TO BE IN THE
DISCUSSION.
I HOPE WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE RIPS
UP THE DEBATES COMMISSION, BURNS
UP THE PAPERS SO THEY CAN'T RISE
FROM THE ASHES OF WHATEVER IT
WAS.

Steve says GET OFF THE FENCE
AND TELL ME WHAT YOU REALLY THINK.

Amanda says I KNOW.

Steve says YOUR VIEW ON IT?

Erin says WELL, YOU KNOW,
PEOPLE WERE ENGAGED.
SO YOU SAW... I MEAN, WHETHER OR
NOT MAXIME BERNIER BELONGED
THERE, HE CERTAINLY GOT A LOT OF
ENGAGEMENT FROM PEOPLE.
IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY
HAD SEEN HIM.

Steve says DID YOU PICK ALL
THAT STUFF UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA AS
TO WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT OF THE FORMAT?

Erin says WE DIDN'T LOOK FOR THAT
SPECIFICALLY.
WE CAN GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT
ON FRIDAY.
WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT
SPECIFICALLY.
PEOPLE CERTAINLY WERE ENGAGED
AND THEY TALKED ABOUT IT AND YOU
SAW MAXIME BERNIER GOT QUITE A
BIT OF ENGAGEMENT.
I DON'T THINK IT HELPED HIM, BUT
IT WAS PROBABLY THE FIRST
EXPOSURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO
HIM, SO... BUT I DIDN'T SEE...
IT DIDN'T BOTHER ME.

Jared says BERNIER SUPPORTERS WOULD SAY
YOU CAN'T HAVE MUCH DEBATE
WITHOUT A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT ON
THE STAGE AND FRANKLY HE'S THE
ONLY ONE THAT BRINGS IT.
I THINK HE ADDED A LITTLE SPICE
TO THE DEBATE.
HE TALKED ABOUT HOT BUTTON
ISSUES FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT
ISN'T BEING DISCUSSED IN OTHER
QUARTERS AND OTHER PARTIES.
I THINK YOU ONLY HAVE A DEBATE
WITH SOMEONE LIKE HIM ON THE
STAGE.

Erin says HE GOT MORE
BUZZ THAN TRUDEAU AND SCHEER.

Amanda says FRANKLY,
HE SHOULDN'T HAVE, RIGHT?
HE DOESN'T MEET THE LITMUS TEST.
ACTUALLY I THOUGHT HAVING
WATCHED HIM AS A CABINET
MINISTER, HE UNDERPERFORMED LIKE
CRAZY IN THE DEBATE.
HE WASN'T AS COHERENT AS HE
NORMALLY IS, HE WASN'T
EFFECTIVE, AND HE SPOKE OVERTOP
OF PEOPLE.
SURE, PEOPLE BUZZED ABOUT HIM
BUT IS THAT THE RIGHT DECISION
AND THE RESPONSIBLE THING TO BE DOING.

Jared says I THINK HE SHUTTLED IN AT THE
END OF THE DEBATE.
IN THE BEGINNING THERE WERE SOME
NERVES.
WHEN THERE WAS OPEN DEBATE, HE
TOOK THAT LITERALLY AND JUMPED
IN WHEN HE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO
DO SO.
HE SETTLED IN.

Steve says I WANT MARC ON THE
ISSUE OF TIMING.
BECAUSE THEY HAD A CERTAIN
NUMBER OF ISSUES THEY WANTED TO
COVER, BECAUSE THEY HAD SO MANY
LEADERS ON THE STAGE, THERE WERE
MOMENTS WHEN YOU HAD MASSIVE
ISSUES LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE...
TELL ME EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE
ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND DO IT
IN 40 SECONDS.
HOW USEFUL WAS THAT TO THE
VOTERS?

Marc says IT WAS NOT USEFUL AT ALL.
I THINK YOU MADE UP A POINT
ABOUT THREE ITEMS: INFORMATION
FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED,
THE CANDIDATES AND GETTING THEIR
MESSAGES OUT, AND FOR THE
VOTERS, IF THEY THE CANDIDATES
COULD BE APPEALING TO THEM.
ON EACH OF THOSE I WOULD SAY NO,
NO, NO.
NOTHING HAPPENED.
LET ME GIVE YOU THIS AS A STARK
EXAMPLE.
THERE WAS A QUESTION LAST NIGHT
FROM A YOUNG INDIGENOUS WOMAN
WHO ASKED ANDREW SCHEER, YOUR
LEADER IN QUESTION.
AND ROSEMARY BARTON SAID YOU
HAVE 40 SECONDS.
HE SAID THIS IS THE MOST
COMPLICATED ISSUE AND YOU'RE
ASKING ME TO ANSWER IT IN 40
SECONDS.
IT WAS RIDICULOUS.
THE WHOLE PREMISE WAS
RIDICULOUS.
I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO, ALL
OF US HERE SAY, WRITE A LETTER
TO THE COMMISSION AND SAY PUT
STEVE PAIKIN BACK ON...

Somebody says HEAR, HEAR.

Marc says MY POINT IS
THIS.
SOMEBODY RAISED THE SPECTRE IN
THIS DEBATE, THIS DISCUSSION
AROUND THE TABLE TONIGHT.
THE CULTURE CHANGED EVERY TIME
THE MODERATOR CHANGED.
THAT WAS WRONG.
IT SORT OF... IT GOT EVERYBODY
OFF THEIR GAME ON THAT DIAS.
I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE
IS HAD ONE MODERATOR AND I COULD
SEE A DEBATE BETWEEN ANDREW
SCHEER AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU THAT
WASN'T CRAZY LIKE IT WAS LAST
NIGHT.
I'M SORRY.
AND I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
GREAT FOR PEOPLE TO SEE... FOR
YOUR LEADER TO OUT HIMSELF FOR
THE KIND OF COMMENTARY THAT HE
HAS.
THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS
THAT I THINK WOULD HE HAVE BEEN
GOOD AROUND THAT DEBATE.
NEVER HAPPENED.

Erin says THEY HAD A
MODERATOR WHO LET IT GO WHEN IT
NEEDED TO GO.

Steve says THEY HAD LITTLE
FLEXIBILITY TO PLAY WITH THE
TIMES IN THAT RESPECT.

Erin says THAT'S WHAT MAKES A GOOD DEBATE.
LAST NIGHT WAS BORING, A BIT OF
A SLEEPER, AND YOU SAW PEOPLE TRAIL OFF.

Jared says I THOUGHT THE POST-DEBATE
SCRUM WAS A BETTER WAY IN WHICH
THE PARTIES COULD GET THEIR
MESSAGE OUT.
IF YOU WATCHED ANY OF THAT, YOU
WOULD HAVE BEEN SATISFIED WITH
YOUR LEADER, I'M GUESSING, AND
THE FACT THEY HAD SOME TIME TO
BE THEMSELVES AND ANSWER
QUESTIONS IN AN UNSCRIPTED WAY.
I ENJOYED THE POST-DEBATE SCRUM.

Steve says MANY OF YOU HAVE
QUESTIONED WHETHER MAXIME
BERNIER BELONGED THERE LAST NIGHT.
THAT'S ONE THING YOU CAN DEBATE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE DEBATE
THE ISSUE OF WHETHER THE BLOC
QUEBECOIS LEADER SHOULD HAVE
BEEN THERE GIVEN HE'S RUNNING
CANDIDATES IN ONLY ONE PROVINCE
AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THERE ARE
TOO MANY VOTERS OUTSIDE OF
QUEBEC THAT ARE GOING TO VOTE
FOR THE BLOC.

Amanda says I DON'T
THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A
SEPARATIST LEADER... YOU SHOULD
HAVE CANDIDATES ACROSS CANADA.
YOU'RE A SEPARATIST PARTY.
IT MAKES NO SENSE.
HE'S A GOOD DEBATER.
THE BLOC PLAYS A SPOILER ROLE IN
ENGLISH DEBATES.
THROW A STINK BOMB OUT THERE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
HE CHANGED THE TRAJECTORY OF
THAT DEBATE AND HE HAS NOT DONE
THE BARE MINIMUM TO BE IN IT.
WE SHOULD HAVE A REAL
CONVERSATION AROUND THAT.
THERE SHOULD BE THE FOUR LEADERS
AND THAT'S IT.

Steve says ELIZABETH MAY WAS
KEPT OUT OF THE TVA DEBATE
BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY
SEATS IN QUEBEC.
AS MITT ROMNEY WOULD SAY, WHAT'S
SAUCE FOR THE GOOSE.
ANYWAY...
I HAVE TWO MINUTES LEFT AND I
WANT TO ASK ONE LAST QUESTION.
MARC KEALEY, TAKE IT AWAY.
HOW WELL DID THIS DEBATE DO, HOW
WELL DID IT SERVE CANADIANS IN
HELPING THEM DECIDE WHO TO VOTE FOR.

The caption changes to "Forward march."

Marc says MY BEST
EXAMPLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION
IS THIS.
I WATCHED THE DEBATE WITH MY TWO
SONS, THEY'RE 17 AND 15.
THEY SAID, DADDY, THIS IS CRAZY.
I'M MORE CYNICAL NOW THAN I HAVE
EVER BEEN.
MY KIDS ARE POLITICAL OBSERVERS
LIKE THEIR OLD MAN IS.
MY POINT IS.
CANADIANS WERE NOT SERVED WELL,
FIRST BY THE FORMAT, BUT NOBODY
GOT A MESSAGE OUT THAT WAS
HALFWAY INFORMATIVE TO VOTERS BY
THIS COUNTRY.

Steve says ANNE, YOUR VIEW ON
HOW WELL THIS SERVED CANADIANS
TO HELP THEM DECIDE?

Anne says I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
I'M GLAD IT HAPPENED.
I THINK FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF
THE NDP AND JAGMEET SINGH, IT
WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE
INTRODUCED TO CANADIANS, FOR
CANADIANS TO GET TO KNOW HIM A
BET MORE, AND TO SEE THAT HE HAD
SOME VERY SUBSTANTIVE POLICY
OFFERS AND THAT HE'S TALKING
ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT MATTER
MOST TO CANADIANS.
I THINK IT WAS VERY GOOD IN THAT
WAY AND, AS I SAID BEFORE, I
THINK THAT, AS THE DAYS GO ON
AND AS WE MOVE INTO THANKSGIVING
WEEKEND, PEOPLE WILL USE THAT
DEBATE AS PART OF THEIR
DECISION-MAKING.

Steve says AMANDA, YOU GET THE LAST WORD.
HOW WELL DID THIS HELP PEOPLE DECIDE?

Amanda says I DON'T
THINK IT CHANGED ANYONE'S MIND,
TRULY.
I THINK THE NOISE WAS TO THE
DETRIMENT OF UNDECIDED VOTERS
AND LEADERS.
IF YOU TUNED IN LAST NIGHT, YOU
FLIPPED TO THE HOCKEY GAME
PRETTY FAST.

Steve says AND THAT WAS SAD TOO.

[LAUGHTER]

Amanda says I DIDN'T WATCH THAT, UNFORTUNATELY.

Steve says LEAFS LOST TO THE
STANLEY CUP CHAMPS.

Amanda says THERE YOU GO.
I DO THINK THAT AT LEAST WE'RE
HAVING THE DEBATE.
TO ANNE'S POINT, THAT'S
IMPORTANT.
I DO THINK IT WILL AFFECT
THINGS.
I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT
HAPPENS AFTER THANKSGIVING WEEKEND.

The caption changes to "Producer: Harrison Lowman, @harrisonlowman."

Steve says MR. DIRECTOR, CAN
YOU PUT UP A SIX SHOT?
IS THAT POSSIBLE?
ASK AND IT HAPPENS.
WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR EVERYONE
COMING IN THE NIGHT AFTER THIS
BIGGEST EVENT OF THE CAMPAIGN IN
TERMS OF ALL SIX BEING IN ONE
PLACE AT ONE TIME.
LESS THAN TWO WEEKS TO GO.
WE SHALL KEEP WATCHING.
THANKS, EVERYBODY, FOR COMING IN
TO TVO TONIGHT.
ANNE, GOOD TO SEE YOU IN THE
NATION'S CAPITAL.

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Anne says THANK YOU.

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