Transcript: Fall Economic Statement; Police Mental Health; Emily's House | Nov 08, 2019

Steve stands in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and blue tie.
A wall screen behind him reads "The week in review."

Steve says THE AGENDA THIS WEEK
SURVEYED WHAT'S MAKING TRAFFIC
AND CITY STREETS SO DEADLY THIS
YEAR; ASSESSED RECOMMENDATIONS
TO REDUCE MENTAL HEALTH CRISES
AND SUICIDE AMONG POLICE
OFFICERS IN THE PROVINCE; AND
LEARNED ABOUT SOME VERY SPECIAL
CAREGIVERS FOR TERMINALLY ILL
CHILDREN.
THE AGENDA'S WEEK IN REVIEW
BEGINS EXAMINING ONTARIO'S FALL
ECONOMIC STATEMENT.

Music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

In a clip, a guest speaks.
A caption reads "Don Drummond. Queen's University."

Then, it changes again to "Ontario's fall economic statement. Make Ontario competitive again."

Don is in his sixties, clean-shaven and balding. He's wearing glasses, a tan suit, dark gray shirt and checkered blue tie, as well as a red poppy pin.

He says THE UPDATE SAYS THAT THEY'RE DOING IT.
VERY SHORT DESCRIPTIONS AND WE
DON'T REALLY SEE A LOT IN THAT
PROCESS.
WE DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOT
OF SOUL SEARCHING GOING ON IN
THE ORGANIZATION OF HEALTH.
THEY'RE REORGANIZING AND THESE
ONTARIO HEALTH TEAMS THAT MAY BE
IMPROVED BUT SURPRISINGLY
THEY'RE NOT CONTEMPLATING
INTEGRATING THE DOCTORS INTO
THAT.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THAT
WILL WORK.
BUT WE GET SO MANY OF THESE
KNEE-JERK PRESSURES.
WE'RE GETTING OLDER, THEREFORE
WE NEED 30,000 LONG-TERM CARE
BEDS.
YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF: DO WE
REALLY NEED THAT, OR CAN WE NOT
SERVE PEOPLE BETTER BY IMPROVING
OUR HOME CARE?
THAT'S THE SORT OF THING WE
NEED.
PEOPLE AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE
AND THE SALARIES WILL COME OUT
OF THAT.
BUT LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SPENDING
MONEY AND HOW WE'RE SPENDING IT.

Steve says LET ME GET YOU TO
REACT TO THIS RIGHT AWAY.
SO FAR THE CONSENSUS COMING OUT
OF HERE IS, THIS IS A STATEMENT
THAT STILL WE'LL SPEND MORE
MONEY THAN ANY GOVERNMENT IN THE
HISTORY OF THE PROVINCE OF
ONTARIO, AND YET YOU SAY THERE
ARE CUTS COMING AND YOU ARE
CONCERNED.

The caption changes to "Angella MacEwen. CUPE."

Angella says WELL, BECAUSE INFLATION HAPPENS EVERY YEAR.
SO IF YOU'RE SPENDING IN LINE
WITH INFLATION AND POPULATION
GROWTH, EVERY YEAR YOU'RE GOING
TO SPEND MORE MONEY, ALMOST,
WITHOUT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ANY
GROWTH IN SERVICES OR MEETING
NEW DEMANDS THAT COME UP, LIKE
THE AUTISM SERVICES OR THE
LONG-TERM CARE SERVICES THAT DON
DRUMMOND WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY PAYING
FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
THEY'RE IN HOSPITAL BEDS, IN
ACUTE CARE BEDS, SOMETIMES UP TO
YEARS, TAKING UP SPOTS THAT
COULD BE USED FOR OTHER PEOPLE,
AND THEN THAT CAUSES DELAYS AND
EXTRA COSTS ALL THE WAY DOWN.

Steve says HOW WOULD YOU
CONVINCE US THOUGH THIS IS A
PRESCRIPTION FOR CUTS WHICH IS
THE LINE I HEAR COMING OUT OF
YOUR SIDE?

The caption changes to "Angella MacEwen, @AMacEwen."

Angella says BECAUSE IN ORDER TO KEEP PACE
WITH INFLATION AND POPULATION
GROWTH, SPENDING WOULD NEED TO
INCREASE BY 3.5 percent.
THAT'S TWO AND A HALF TIMES WHAT
IT INCREASED THIS YEAR, AND IT'S
DOUBLE WHAT IT WOULD... WHAT
THEIR PLANNED INCREASES ARE NEXT
YEAR WOULD NEED TO INCREASE BY
DOUBLE JUST TO KEEP PACE WITH
INFLATION AND POPULATION GROWTH.
SO THAT'S NO NEW SERVICES.
SO IF WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE
GETTING WAGE INCREASES AT LESS
THAN INFLATION, WHICH WE ARE,
PUBLIC SERVANTS THAT ARE GETTING
PAID LESS THAN INFLATION, AND
THAT THEIR WAGE INCREASES ARE
GROWING AT A LOWER PACE THAN THE
PRIVATE SECTOR, THEIR PRIVATE
SECTOR COUNTERPARTS, EVEN THAT
WON'T KEEP US TO A PLACE WHERE
THIS DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE WILL BE
LAID OFF OR THEIR INVESTMENTS
ARE BEING LAID OFF OR CLASS
SIZES ARE GETTING BIGGER, SO WE
HAVE FEWER TEACHERS, WE HAVE
FEWER NURSES.
THERE'S NO WAY I SEE IN THIS
BUDGET... THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT
HALLWAY MEDICINE BUT THERE'S NO
WAY THAT THEY CAN HAVE ANY
IMPROVEMENTS IN HEALTH CARE, LET
ALONE EVEN JUST MAINTAINING
WHERE WE WERE BEFORE.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Steve says JASMINE, HAVE AT IT.

The caption changes to "Jasmine Pickel. Canadian Taxpayers Federation."

Jasmine is in her thirties, with long straight blond hair. She's wearing a black blazer, white shirt, and red poppy pin.

She says I'VE HEARD THIS ARGUMENT PUT
FORWARD BY TEACHERS, UNION
BOSSES AND OTHERS.

Steve says YOU KEEP CALLING
THEM UNION BOSSES.
WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?

Jasmine says BECAUSE I HAD TO PUT UP WITH 16 OF THEM ON MONDAY, AS I TOLD YOU.
THE UNION BOSSES ARE SAYING THAT
JUST BECAUSE INFLATION WILL BE
HIGHER THAN THE RAISES THAT
WE'RE OFFERING THAT THEY'RE
GETTING A DE FACTO PAY DECREASE,
BUT THAT IGNORES THE REALITY
THAT GOVERNMENT WORKERS START
WITH A MUCH HIGHER SALARY TO
BEGIN WITH.
THERE ARE MANY TEACHERS ON THE
SUNSHINE LIST, OVER 10,500 THAT
I FOUND THROUGH A QUICK SEARCH,
THAT ARE EARNING MORE THAN THE
AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME WITH
TWO INCOMES IN IT.
SO TO SAY THAT GOVERNMENT
WORKERS ARE GETTING, YOU KNOW...
NOT GETTING RAISES FAST ENOUGH
IGNORES THE REALITY THAT THEY'RE
ALREADY EARNING AN 11 percent WAGE PREMIUM...

Angella says IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT PEOPLE
BASED ON AGE AND GENDER, SO WHAT
UNIONS DO ACTUALLY IS REDUCE THE
GENDER GAP FOR WOMEN SO TEACHING
TEACHERS AND NURSES ARE
OVERWHELMINGLY A FEMALE
PROFESSION STILL.
SO IF YOU COMPARE THEM TO THEIR
FEMALE COUNTERPARTS IN THE
PRIVATE SECTOR, THEY DO HAVE A
WAGE PREMIUM, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE
THEY'RE NOT FACING THE SAME
DISCRIMINATION IN TERMS OF THE
PAY GAP THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR
COUNTERPARTS ARE.
THE PREMIUM ACTUALLY GOES AWAY
COMPLETELY.

Jasmine says THE STUDY WAS OF COMPARABLE
COUNTERPARTS IN THE PRIVATE
SECTOR.

Angella says COMPARABLE TO A HIGH SCHOOL
TEACHER...

Jasmine says A TEACHER AT A PRIVATE SCHOOL.

Angella says WAGES ACTUALLY COME BASED ON
WHAT THE UNION NEGOTIATES.
PRIVATE SECTOR TEACHERS LOVE
THAT UNION TEACHERS BARGAIN
HIGHER WAGES BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN
THEIR WAGES GO UP.

Jasmine says WHEN THIS IS THE TAXPAYER
WHO, ON AVERAGE, LIKE WE
MENTIONED BEFORE YOU WERE HERE,
THERE ARE... AN IPSOS POLL
SHOWED THAT 50 percent OF CANADIANS ARE
200 dollars AWAY FROM FINANCIAL
INSOLVENCY.

Angella says A LOT ARE PRIVATE SECTOR WORKERS.

Jasmine says OF THE TEACHERS THEN THAT ARE
ON THE SUNSHINE LIST AND THERE
ARE 10,000 WHO ARE NOW GOING TO
BE GETTING A 3,000 dollar RAISE...

Angella says THAT'S A VERY SMALL
PERCENTAGE OF WORKERS.
CUPE EDUCATES EDUCATIONAL
ASSISTANTS, WE REPRESENT BUS
DRIVERS, WE REPRESENT JANITORS.
SO THOSE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY
GETTING LAID OFF.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING...

Jasmine says THAT WILL COVER EVERYONE, EVEN...

[MIXED VOICES]

Angella says THE UNION BOSSES THAT YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY REPRESENT
WORKERS THAT HAVE BEEN GETTING
LESS THAN INFLATION FOR THE PAST
TEN YEARS...

Jasmine says PERHAPS THEY SHOULD FOCUS ON THOSE WORKERS AT THE BOTTOM TIER.

Steve says MODERATOR JUMPING IN
FOR A SECOND.
THANK YOU.
THAT WAS QUITE ILLUMINATING,
ACTUALLY.
CAN I GET JEFF IN ON THIS.
LET ME TALK SMALL BUSINESS FOR A
SECOND.
ONE OF THE FEW SPECIFIED TAX
CUTS IN THIS ECONOMIC STATEMENT
IS TO SEE THE SMALL BUSINESS
CORPORATE INCOME TAX RATE
LOWERED FROM 3.5 TO 3.2 percent.
IT WILL COST THE TREASURY
PROBABLY 95 MILLION BUCKS A
YEAR BY THE TIME IT'S FULLY
IMPLEMENTED.
WHAT DO WE THINK OF THIS?

The caption changes to "Jeff Gray. The Globe and Mail."

Jeff is in his late thirties, clean-shaven, with short, side-parted brown hair. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit, blue shirt, striped purple tie and red poppy pin.

He says IT MADE MY STORY SOMEWHERE
NEAR THE BOTTOM THAT I WROTE
YESTERDAY.
THE TENTH OF A PERCENTAGE
POINT... SORRY, I LOST TRACK OF
THE NUMBERS THERE.
IT'S AFTER THE DECIMAL PLACE,
RIGHT?

Steve says CORRECT.

Jeff says THIS IS A GOVERNMENT THAT
TALKS ABOUT LET'S CUT TAXES,
LET'S GET OUT OF THE WAY, THE
STANDARD RHETORIC.

Steve says THEY PROMISED TO CUT
THE SMALL BUSINESS TAX RATE.
THEY DID IT.

Jeff says WOW, IT'S SMALL.

Steve says IT IS SMALL.

Jeff says 1500 dollars.

Angella says IT'S ALREADY SO LOW.
FINANCING A SMALL BUSINESS TAX
CUT.
IF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS
SERIOUS ABOUT FISCAL
RESPONSIBILITY, CAN THEY
SERIOUSLY SAY THAT IT'S FISCALLY
RESPONSIBLE TO CUT TAXES ON
DEFICIT FINANCING?

Jeff says IN FACT THE CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE WAS KIND OF LUKEWARM
ABOUT THIS.
THIS DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH.
I MEAN, 1500 BUCKS.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve sits with different guests.
A caption on screen reads "Toronto's risky roads. Traffic tantrums."

Steve says I WANT TO READ THIS
TWEET HERE, OKAY?
SHELDON, ARE WE GOING TO BRING
THIS UP HERE?
WARREN, I'M GOING TO GET YOU TO
COMMENT ON THIS FIRST.
HERE WE GO.
THIS IS A GUY NAMED AIDAN CRANE
WHO PUTS THIS ON TWITTER...

A tweet by Aidan Crane pops up that reads "I hardly ever see police enforcing traffic rules. Maybe if it was typical to see a few cars pulled over every time you take a drive it might improve. But they're mostly leaving the street to the public menaces."

Steve says HOW WOULD YOU
RESPOND TO SOMEBODY LIKE AIDAN
WHO PUT THAT TWEET UP THERE?

The caption changes to "Warren Wilson. Toronto Police Service."
Then, it changes again to "Enforcement."

Warren is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short, receding blond hair. He's wearing glasses, a white police uniform shirt and a black tie.

He says WELL, IT IS FRUSTRATING.
WE HAVE ISSUED OVER 200,000
TICKETS THIS YEAR.
WE'RE NOT DOING NO ENFORCEMENT.
WE'RE DOING LESS THAN WE'VE DONE
IN THE PAST.

Steve says DOES THAT INCLUDE
PARKING VIOLATIONS, THAT TYPE OF
THING?

Warren says NO, TALKING ABOUT MOVING
VIOLATIONS.

Steve says GOT IT.

Warren says HOWEVER, I DON'T DISAGREE
WITH HIM.
IT'S HAPPENING LESS.
THERE'S I THINK A GREAT BENEFIT
TO ROAD SAFETY WHEN A HUNDRED
PEOPLE DRIVE BY A POLICE CAR
THAT HAS SOMEBODY STOPPED AND
THE OFFICER IS OUT THERE AND
THESE PEOPLE ARE BEING HELD TO
ACCOUNT AND GETTING A TICKET.
I MEAN, THERE'S AN EFFECT THAT
LASTS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AFTER
THAT, HALO EFFECT, AND I THINK
PEOPLE USE THOSE... SO THERE'S
GREAT BENEFIT TO IT.
IT'S EXPENSIVE...

Steve says THAT'S WHAT I WAS
GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD STAND 50
METRES NORTH OF THIS STUDIO
RIGHT NOW AT THE CORNER OF YONGE
AND EGLINTON.
YOU COULD PUT AN OFFICER THERE.
THEY COULD STAND THERE ALL DAY
LONG, AND THEY COULD MAKE A
FORTUNE.
THEY COULD MAKE A FORTUNE
PULLING OVER PEOPLE MAKING
ILLEGAL TURNS, RUNNING THE RED
LIGHT, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WHY DON'T YOU?

The caption changes to "Warren Wilson, @TorontoPolice."

Warren says WE'VE TAKEN THE APPROACH NOW
TO BE MORE STRATEGIC.
THE RESEARCH HAS SHOWN THAT WHAT
SAVES LIVES IS STOPPING
AGGRESSIVE DRIVERS, IMPAIRED
DRIVERS, SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN.
THAT'S WHERE WE FOCUS OUR
ENFORCEMENT NOW.
SO WE DON'T SEE... YOU WON'T SEE
AS MUCH POLICE OFFICERS ON SIDE
STREETS DOING THINGS.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN STOP SIGNS AND
WEARING YOUR SEAT BELT ISN'T
IMPORTANT.
IT IS.
BUT OUR REAL FOCUS IS ON
THOSE... WE CALL IT THE BIG FOUR
OFFENCES AND THAT'S... SO THAT'S
THAT.

Steve says WHAT ARE THE BIG FOUR?

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Warren says IT'S AGGRESSIVE DRIVING,
DISTRACTED DRIVING, IMPAIRED
DRIVING, AND IT'S SPEEDING.
THOSE ARE THE BIG FOUR.
THAT'S OUR FOCUS.
THAT'S THE FOCUS OF OUR
CAMPAIGN.
BUT, AGAIN, AND I WANTED TO ADD
ON TO THE TALK A LITTLE EARLIER.
THERE'S A RISK PART TO THIS
WHERE PEOPLE ARE TAKING RISKS AS
DRIVERS, AS PEDESTRIANS, AS
CYCLISTS THAT WE NEED TO TALK
ABOUT MORE.
THE REALITY IS, WE HAVE A LOT OF
MID-BLOCK FATALITIES WHERE
PEOPLE ARE HIT CROSSING THE ROAD
MID-BLOCK, AND THERE'S A NUMBER
OF REASONS FOR THAT.
AND IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO CROSS
THE ROAD.
IF YOU PARKED YOUR CAR AND
YOU'RE GOING TO THE BANK,
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH
CROSSING THE ROAD.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO... PEOPLE
HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S
RISKY.
THAT'S RISKY.
AND THAT CARS ARE COMING, AND
IT'S VICE VERSA.
PEOPLE ARE MAKING A LEFT TURN AT
AN INTERSECTION, YOU'RE DRIVING,
MOST OF THE SERIOUS COLLISIONS
THAT HAPPEN WITH DRIVING
HAPPEN... PEOPLE NEED TO THINK
ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
WE HAVE TO GET THAT CONVERSATION
GOING.

Steve says I'VE SEEN EXAMPLES
OF PEOPLE WHO WALK... THEY DON'T
WALK, I GUESS, THEY'RE RUNNING.
THEY RUN ACROSS THE 401.
HOW CRAZY IS THAT?

Warren says IT'S A BAD IDEA.

Steve says IT'S A BAD IDEA.
NO KIDDING IT'S A BAD IDEA.

The caption changes to "Shoshanna Saxe. University of Toronto."

Shoshanna is in her thirties, with long curly brown hair. She's wearing a black leather jacket and a red poppy pin.

She says PEOPLE MID-BLOCK CROSS NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE IRRESPONSIBLE OR
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RISK,
IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A
GOOD ALTERNATIVE.
IF YOU HAVE TO WALK 800 METRES
TO GET TO A STOP SIGN AND THEN
WALK 800 METRES BACK, THAT'S A
LOT OF TIME, AND PEOPLE AREN'T
WILLING TO MAKE THOSE SACRIFICES
EVERY DAY.
IF WE'RE ASKING PEDESTRIANS TO
GIVE UP THAT KIND OF TIME, LET'S
ASK PEOPLE IN COMFORTABLE
VEHICLES THAT ARE
TEMPERATURE-CONTROLLED AND THAT
WEIGH THOUSANDS OF POUNDS TO
GIVE UP THAT KIND OF TIME.
AND I'M A LITTLE BIT
UNCOMFORTABLE WITH SAYING, YOU
KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS TO BE MORE
AWARE.
PEDESTRIANS, CYCLISTS, AND
DRIVERS.
I MEAN, YES.
I TEACH MY 4-YEAR-OLD SON, YOU
NEED TO LOOK BEFORE YOU CROSS
THE STREET.
YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL.

The caption changes to "Shoshanna Saxe, @shoshannasaxe."

Shoshanna continues BUT HE'S SOFT.
AND IF HE GETS HIT BY A REALLY
BIG CAR, THE CAR WAS HARD.
THE PEOPLE DRIVING THE DANGEROUS
MACHINES THAT CAN KILL PEOPLE
HAVE A LOT MORE RESPONSIBILITY
THAN, YOU KNOW, THE 4-YEAR-OLDS
WHO ARE LEARNING HOW TO BE SAFE
IN A CITY, AND WE SHOULDN'T PUT
THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON HUMANS.
IT SHOULD BE THE DEFAULT THAT
IT'S SAFE, NOT THE THING THAT WE
HAVE TO GUARD AGAINST.

The caption changes to "Enforcement."

Steve says WE'VE HEARD SOME
CONVERSATION HERE, LINDA, I'LL
GO TO YOU FIRST ON THIS, ON
VISION ZERO 2.0, KIND OF
REBOOTED VISION PLAN FOR THE
CITY, LOWERING SPEED LIMITS ON
SOME ROADS, CROSSING GUARDS AT
SOME INTERSECTIONS, MORE RED
LIGHT CAMERAS AT SOME
INTERSECTIONS, OTHER CHANGES AS
WELL.
WHAT IMPACT DO YOU THINK THIS IS
GOING TO HAVE?

The caption changes to "Linda Rothman. Sickkids."
Then, it changes again to "The road ahead."

Linda is in her mid-fifties, with long straight brown hair. She's wearing a black blazer and a red poppy pin.

She says WELL, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON
RIGHT NOW, AND I DO HAVE TO BE
SOMEWHAT SUPPORTIVE OF THE CITY
BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT GOING ON
RIGHT NOW, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY
MAKING SOME REALLY IMPORTANT
CHANGES.
I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SEEING
THE EFFECTS QUITE YET, BUT
HOPEFULLY SOON.
WE RECENTLY LOOKED AT THE
REDUCTION OF SPEED LIMITS ON THE
LOCAL ROADWAYS IN THE DOWNTOWN
CORE FROM 40 TO 30 AND WE FOUND
A HUGE IMPACT ON THE NUMBER OF
COLLISIONS.
I THINK IT WAS A REDUCTION OF
27 percent IN COLLISIONS AFTER LOWERING
THE SPEEDS ON LOCAL ROADS...

Steve says JUST BY LOWERING 10
KILOMETRES PER HOUR.

Linda says AND NOT BY CHANGING THE ROADWAY DESIGNED.
WE WERE QUITE SURPRISED,
ACTUALLY.
THE OTHER THING LOCAL ROADS IS
NOT WHERE THE REALLY SEVERE
COLLISIONS ARE HAPPENING.
THE CITY IS TALKING ABOUT... AND
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE
ENACTING IT SOON... LOWERING THE
SPEEDS ON MOST OF THE ARTERIALS
AND THE CITY CORE AS WELL, FROM
50 AND 60 DOWN TO 40 OR WHATEVER
IT IS THEY'RE DOING.
SO THE SPEEDING THING IS
SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SEEING
GREAT EFFECT ON... SPEED
ENFORCEMENT IS STARTING NEAR
SCHOOLS SOON, I THINK IN
DECEMBER.
SO THE FOCUS ON SPEED I THINK IS
SUPER IMPORTANT.
AND I DO THINK IT WILL BE
EFFECTIVE IN REDUCING
COLLISIONS.

The caption changes to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

Steve says CHRISTINE, YOUR VIEW
ON THE CHANGES THAT I JUST
SUGGESTED A MOMENT AGO AND WHAT
IMPACT THEY MIGHT HAVE?

The caption changes to "Christine Wickens. Centre for Addiction and Mental Health."

Christine is in her late thirties, with shoulder-length straight brown hair. She's wearing a pale pink blazer, black blouse, pendant necklace and red poppy pin.

She says I'M HOPEFUL.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THESE... I'M
LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THESE
INTRODUCED.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE
MONITOR THE IMPROVEMENT OVER A
PERIOD OF TIME, SO NOT JUST OVER
THE SHORT TERM BUT OVER THE LONG
TERM, AND I WOULD MAKE THAT SAME
COMMENT ABOUT THE 110 SPEED
LIMIT ON THE ONTARIO HIGHWAYS,
THAT WE LOOK AT IT NOT JUST OVER
THE SHORT TERM BUT OVER THE
LONGER TERM TO SEE WHAT KIND OF
IMPACTS THAT'S HAVING.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve sits with different guests.

A caption on screen reads "Addressing police mental health and suicide. Unique to policing."

Steve says CAN YOU TELL US
ABOUT SOME OF THE WORST NIGHTS
OF YOUR LIFE ON THE JOB?

The caption changes to "Bruce Chapman. Police Association of Ontario. @BruceChapman924."

Bruce is in his sixties, with short gray hair and a mustache. He's wearing a blue suit, shirt and tie, and a red poppy pin.

He says YEAH.
I'LL GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE
THAT STILL, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK
ABOUT EVERY DAY.
I WAS A YOUNG PATROL SERGEANT,
HAD JUST BEEN PROMOTED.
I WAS 10 YEARS OUT OF UNIFORM.
I WENT BACK TO THE ROAD.
I WAS ASSIGNED AS A PATROL
SERGEANT TO AN AREA THAT I HAD
NEVER WORKED BEFORE IN EAST
MISSISSAUGA.
SO YOU'RE OUT DRIVING AROUND IN
YOUR SERGEANT'S CAR AND YOU'RE
THERE TO BACK UP YOUR OFFICERS,
AND I COME ACROSS A MAJOR
INTERSECTION WHERE THERE SEEMS
TO BE SOME SMOKE AND CARS ARE
STARTING TO BACK UP.
I ASK THE DISPATCHER IF THERE
ARE ANY REPORTS OF ACCIDENT.
NONE HAD BEEN REPORTED AT THAT
TIME.
SO I DROVE TO THE INTERSECTION,
AND THERE WAS A SMALL CAR
COMPLETELY CRUMPLED BY A
TRANSPORT TRUCK AT AN
INTERSECTION.
AND THE CAR WAS SO BADLY
DAMAGED.
SO I CALLED IT IN, REQUESTED
EMERGENCY SERVICES.
BUT IT WAS ONE WHERE YOU DIDN'T
HAVE A CHANCE TO REACT TO
KNOWING WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO
GET YOURSELF INTO, THAT THERE
WAS A BAD ACCIDENT REPORTED.
SO YOU COULD PREPARE YOURSELF.
YOU COME ACROSS THIS.
I MANAGED TO GET OUT OF THE CAR.
IT HAD JUST HAPPENED.
PEOPLE WERE JUST GETTING OUT OF
THEIR OWN VEHICLES AT THAT TIME.
RAN TO THE SMALL CAR, BASICALLY
HELD THIS 18-YEAR-OLD FEMALE IN
MY ARMS AND SHE DIED IN MY ARMS.
LO AND BEHOLD, YOU KNOW, AND
THEN YOU HAVE OTHER
RESPONSIBILITIES OF ENSURING THE
SCENE IS PROTECTED.
AND THEN MY NEXT DUTY WAS
HAVING, AS A PATROL SERGEANT,
HAVING TO DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD TO
THE BUSINESS WHERE THIS YOUNG
WOMAN'S PARENTS WERE, WHERE THEY
WERE EXPECTING HER FOR LUNCH.
SHE WAS GOING TO SEE THEM FOR
LUNCH.
AND TO TELL THEM THAT THEIR
DAUGHTER HAD PASSED AWAY.
PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST
TRAUMATIC INCIDENTS THAT I'VE
EVER COME ACROSS WITHOUT ANY
FOREWARNING ON WHAT I WAS
GETTING MYSELF INTO.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT NIGHT, YOU GO
HOME... IT WAS OLD CULTURE AND
WHAT WE NEED TO CHANGE ON THIS
PANEL AND IN OUR INDUSTRY IS YOU
JUST SUCK IT UP, YOU GO HOME,
AND I SLEPT WITH THE LIGHTS ON,
BECAUSE EVERY TIME I CLOSED MY
EYES, I SAW THAT YOUNG WOMAN.
AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE WILL STICK
WITH YOU.
AS WE PROGRESS FURTHER WITH THIS
REPORT AND WITH WHAT WE ARE
DOING AS AN ORGANIZATION, BOTH
SERVICES, ASSOCIATIONS,
GOVERNMENT, IS THAT WE'RE
CHANGING THAT SO THAT NO ONE HAS
TO GO THROUGH THAT AND SLEEP
WITH THEIR LIGHTS ON AT NIGHT.

Steve says DID YOU SEEK ANY
KIND OF MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT
AFTER THAT EPISODE?

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Bruce says NO, BECAUSE AT THOSE TIMES,
YOU WERE CONSIDERED WEAK AND YOU
WERE STRONG AND YOUR JOB, YOU
SUCKED IT UP.
THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE HIRED TO
DO.
THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO
DO.
AND I THINK THAT MENTALITY FROM
THE PAST IS THE PAST, AND I
THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR
CONVERSATIONS GOING FORWARD IS
THAT'S NOT THE PRESENT AND IT'S
CERTAINLY NOT THE FUTURE.
WE'RE LOSING PEOPLE, DYING BY
SUICIDE BECAUSE OF INCIDENTS
LIKE THAT.
SO THAT WAS THE PAST AND, NO, I
DIDN'T, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO
BE CONSIDERED WEAK, AND THAT'S
THE PHILOSOPHY THAT WE ALL HAD
AS YOUNG OFFICERS YEARS AND
YEARS AGO.

Steve says I WANT TO READ AN
EXCERPT FROM THE CHIEF CORONER'S
REPORT THAT LOOKED INTO ALL
THIS.
SHELDON, LET'S BRING THIS
GRAPHIC UP, IF WE CAN.

A quote appears on screen, under the title "Mental health calls take their toll." The quote reads "In most police jurisdictions across Ontario, estimates run as high as 40 percent of police calls for service being tied to incidents involving persons with mental health issues.
Police members have reported to us directly and in other studies we consulted that notwithstanding their high degrees of compassion, training and their on-scene professionalism that is the norm in these thousands of calls for services, most police members will soon come to regard any person with mental health issues as someone they would never want to be."
Quoted from the Report of the Expert Panel on Police Officer Deaths by Suicide. October 2, 2019.

Steve says CHIEF CORONER, YOU
KNOW, THIS DOES RAISE A WHOLE
LOT OF ISSUES OF... YOU KNOW, I
SHOULD ACTUALLY LET YOU JUST
START RIFFING ON THAT.
THAT'S IDENTIFIED A PROBLEM.
WHAT DO YOU DO?

The caption changes to "Dirk Huyer. Chief Coroner for Ontario."

Dirk is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with receding white hair. He's wearing glasses, a black suit, white shirt, blue tie and red poppy pin.

He says I CAN TELL YOU ONE OF THE
MOST POIGNANT THINGS I
RECOGNIZED IN READING THE
REPORT, IT REALLY... NOT ONLY DO
THE OFFICERS HAVE THIS IDENTITY
BUT THEY ALSO RECOGNIZE WHAT
THEY SEE IN THOSE 40 percent ARE PEOPLE
ON THE WORST DAYS OF THEIR LIVES
AND THAT BECOMES THE NORM FOR
THE OFFICERS AS WHAT A MENTAL
HEALTH ISSUE IS.
AND THEY'RE NOT LIKE THAT, IN
THEIR MINDS.
THEY'RE NOT LIKE THAT PERSON.
WHEN THEY'RE FEELING SAD OR
THEY'RE FEELING ANXIOUS OR
THEY'RE HAVING A TOUGH DAY,
THAT'S NOT WHAT THOSE PEOPLE
WERE, SO THEY DON'T ATTRIBUTE
THAT TO BE A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE
AND THEREFORE DON'T THINK THEY
NEED TO SEEK THAT HELP AND THEY
DON'T WANT TO BECOME LIKE THOSE
PEOPLE THEY WERE SERVING ON
THEIR WORST DAYS.
SO THAT PRODUCES THEIR OWN LACK
OF ABILITY TO CALL OUT OR TO
REACH OUT.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN A
SHARED WAY WITH ALL PEOPLE
INVOLVED WITH POLICE SERVICE
MEMBERS IS TO RECOGNIZE THAT
THAT OCCURS, TO RECOGNIZE THAT
MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES ARE NOT...
ARE VERY COMMON, AND THAT PEOPLE
SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK UP AND
SEEK ASSISTANCE.
IT'S REALLY ABOUT REACHING TO
THE UPSTREAM, WHEN YOU HAVE SOME
EARLY CONCERNS, YOU DEAL WITH
THOSE CONCERNS.
AS ROB SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M
HAVING A BAD DAY.
OKAY, WELL, TAKE TODAY OFF, AND
TOMORROW I'M GOING TO BE BACK AT
IT.
IT'S REALLY THINKING ABOUT AND
RECOGNIZING THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A
BAD DAY, THAT'S OKAY, AND THAT
WE CAN ALL HAVE BAD DAYS AND WE
CAN ALL GET OVER THOSE BAD DAYS,
OR IF WE DON'T, WE CAN GET MORE
HEALTH.
IF WE COULD DO ALL OF THAT AND
BRING PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE, TO
ACCEPT, TO TALK ABOUT MENTAL
HEALTH ISSUES, THEN WE'RE GOING
TO BE SO MUCH STRONGER AS POLICE
ORGANIZATIONS AND SOCIETY.

Steve says WELL, OKAY, THAT'S
IN A PERFECT WORLD.
BUT, CHIEF, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU.
IF ONE OF YOUR OFFICERS CAME TO
YOU AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT?
I'M HAVING A TOUGH TIME.
I NEED A DAY.
I NEED A MENTAL HEALTH DAY.
IS IT NOT IN SOME RESPECTS THE
CHIEF'S JOB TO SAY OUR RESOURCES
ARE LOADED.
I REALLY NEED YOU OUT THERE.
HOW DO YOU RESIST SAYING THAT TO
THE GUY?

The caption changes to "Hugh Stevenson. Sault Ste. Marie Police Service."

Hugh is in his late fifties, balding, with a mustache. He's wearing a decorated police shirt and black tie.

He says STEVE, GOOD QUESTION.
HISTORICALLY, THAT'S EXACTLY
WHAT THE RESPONSE WOULD HAVE
BEEN.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN: SORRY, WE'RE
TIGHT TODAY.
BRUCE, YOU MENTIONED IT.
SUCK IT UP.

The caption changes to "Watch us anytime: tvo.org, Twitter: @theagenda, Facebook Live, YouTube."

Steve says SUCK IT UP.

The caption changes to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

Hugh says IT WILL GET BETTER.
WHATEVER.
TODAY, HONESTLY, I CAN TALK
ABOUT COMMAND STAFF AT THE CHIEF
AND DEPUTY LEVEL, AT THE MIDDLE
MANAGER LEVEL, AT THE MIDDLE
MANAGER CIVILIAN LEVEL, THE ROAD
SERGEANTS.
IF WE HEAR THAT AND THAT PERSON
HAS COME TO US LEGITIMATELY AND
SAID, "I DON'T FEEL WELL TODAY,"
"TAKE THE DAY OFF.
TAKE TOMORROW OFF.
IS THERE ANYBODY WITH YOU?
DO YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO VISIT
YOU AROUND THE HOUSE?"
HERE'S THE ISSUE, STEVE.
THESE RESOURCES, THESE PEOPLE
AND FAMILIES, WE HAVE TO TAKE
CARE OF THEM.
AND WE REALIZE TODAY MORE SO
THAN EVER THE OUTCOME OF NOT
DOING THAT AND GOING DOWN THAT
TRAJECTORY.

Music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve sits with different guests.
A caption on screen reads "A place for children to die peacefully. A parent's nightmare."

Steve says OKAY.
THIS IS... LOOK IT, THERE'S NO
WAY TO ASK THIS QUESTION OTHER
THAN TO JUST ASK IT: CAN YOU...
CAN YOU TAKE US THROUGH
MATTHEW'S LAST MOMENTS ON EARTH?
I PRESUME THEY WERE AT EMILY'S
HOUSE.

A male guest says YES.

Steve says AND WHAT HAPPENED?

The caption changes to "Marlene Geremia. Parent."

Marlene is in her fifties, has short gray hair and wears a blue sweater, a thin necklace and a red poppy pin.

She says IT WAS THE MOST PEACEFUL
PASSING... I MEAN, THAT I CAN
SAY.
I MEAN, IT WAS...
WHEN HE WAS BORN, IT WAS BRUNO
AND I.
AND WHEN IT WAS HIS LAST DAY, HE
WAS ALIVE, THE TWINS DIDN'T WANT
TO BE IN THE ROOM WITH US.
THAT WAS FINE.
IT WAS THE TWO OF US AND THE
NURSE.
AND HE JUST... IT WAS AMAZING.
'CAUSE HE COULDN'T TALK AND HE
DIDN'T HAVE HIS EYES OPEN.
HE OPENED HIS EYES WIDE AND
LOOKED AT US AS IF TO SAY.
THANK YOU, I LOVE YOU, GOOD-BYE.
OH, MY GOSH, I'LL NEVER FORGET
IT.
THEN THERE WAS A LIGHT RAIN.
AND SINATRA WAS PLAYING.

The male guest says OF COURSE.

The caption changes to "Watch us anytime: tvo.org, Twitter: @theagenda, Facebook Live, YouTube."

Marlene says LIKE, IT WAS JUST... AND IT
JUST WAS SO PEACEFUL THAT IT
REALLY HELPED... HELPED ME.
YOU KNOW, IT REALLY MADE A BIG
DIFFERENCE.
AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN LIKE
THAT ANYWHERE ELSE.

Steve says DID YOU KNOW THAT
THAT WAS GOING TO BE HIS...
THOSE WERE GOING TO BE HIS LAST
MOMENTS ON EARTH?

The caption changes to "Bruno Geremia. Parent."

Bruno is in his fifties, bald, with a gray stubble, and wears a gray suit, blue shirt, striped gray tie and a red poppy pin.

He says WE COULD TELL JUST FROM THE
WAY HE WAS BREATHING, HIS
BREATHING PATTERN HAD CHANGED.
HE HAD BEEN WEAK FOR QUITE A
WHILE.
WE COULDN'T FEED HIM ANYMORE.
HE JUST COULDN'T TOLERATE FEEDS
ANYMORE.
AND HE WAS G-TUBE FED AT THE
TIME.
SO WE HAD TO STOP THAT.
SLOWLY IT PROGRESSED.
BUT FROM WHAT WE WERE TOLD, IT'S
NOT... IT IS NOT PAINFUL FOR HIM
AT ALL.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S EASIER
FOR HIM.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Bruno continues HE WOULD GO THROUGH A LOT OF
PAIN JUST HAVING TO DEAL WITH
THE PROCESS OF FEEDING.
BUT IT WAS LITTLE BY LITTLE.
YOU COULD SEE OVER THE DAYS
THINGS WOULD CHANGE.
AND HE HAD HIS MOMENT TO SAY
GOOD-BYE TO EVERYONE.
EVERYONE HAD THEIR SPECIAL
MOMENT.
HE HAD A SPECIAL PERSON IN HIS
LIFE WHO WAS THE LAST PERSON
THAT NEEDED TO COME AND SEE HIM
AND I REMEMBER MARLENE AND I
SITTING OUTSIDE MATTHEW'S ROOM
AND I SAID TO MARLENE... WE JUST
NEED ELIZABETH TO SHOW UP.
SHE'S THE ONLY ONE.
AND THEN NOT EVEN A HALF AN HOUR
LATER, SHE WAS THERE.

Steve says WHO IS SHE?

Bruno says ELIZABETH WAS AN EA,
EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANT, AND...
WHEN MATTHEW WAS AT SCHOOL.
THAT'S WHERE WE MET THE FIRST
TIME.
SHE WORKED WITH HIM EVEN AFTER
THAT, AND BECAME THE LOVE OF HIS
LIFE.
YEAH.
IT WAS A TIME THAT EVERYTHING
JUST SEEMED TO FALL IN PLACE AND
VERY PEACEFUL.
HE HAD HIS MOMENTS WITH EVERYONE
TO SAY GOOD-BYE.
AND I REMEMBER THE ONE NIGHT...
A FEW NIGHTS BEFORE HE DIED, I
USED TO READ HIM, WHEN HE WAS A
BABY, I USED TO READ HIM THE
STORY "GOOD NIGHT MOON."

Steve says OH, YEAH.

Bruno says WE DID ALL THE ACTIONS WITH HIS HANDS.

Steve says IN THE GREAT GREEN
ROOM THERE'S A TELEPHONE AND A
RED BALLOON AND A PICTURE OF...
A COW JUMPING OVER THE MOON.
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE ALL READ
THAT?

Bruno says AND I USED TO READ THAT TO
HIM EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.
I REMEMBERED SEEING THAT BOOK AT
EMILY'S HOUSE, AND I THOUGHT...
I WAS SITTING THERE IN THE ROOM
WITH HIM AND I THOUGHT, I NEED
TO SEE THIS.
I NEED TO GET THE BOOK.
AND WE LOOKED ALL OVER AND WE
COULD NOT FIND IT ANYWHERE.
AND I SAID TO NICOLE, SHE SAID,
OH, LET ME GO LOOK, LET ME GO
LOOK.
AND SHE SCOURED FROM TOP TO
BOTTOM THE WHOLE BUILDING.
AND WE THOUGHT, OKAY, WELL,
WE'LL JUST PULL IT UP ON THE
INTERNET AND DO IT THAT WAY.
AND THEN SHE COMES BURSTING
THROUGH THE ROOM WITH THIS BOOK
IN HER HAND.
SHE SAID "I FOUND IT!"
IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST SPECIAL
MOMENTS THAT SOMEONE DID FOR US
AT EMILY'S HOUSE.
BUT THOSE WERE THE KINDS OF
MOMENTS YOU WOULD GET AT EMILY'S
HOUSE.

Steve says YOU REMEMBER THAT?
YOU FOUND THE BOOK.

The caption changes to "Nicole Albay. Emily's House."

Nicole is in her thirties, with long wavy brown hair. She's wearing a gray plaid blazer over a white blouse, a golden pendant necklace and a red poppy pin.

She says I found the book.
YOU KNOW THERE'S HUNDREDS OF
BOOKS IN THAT HOUSE.
I WENT FROM TOP TO BOTTOM FOR
TWO HOURS.
I WOULD COME BACK, TELL THEM,
I'M GOING TO FIND IT.
I HAVE TWO.
THERE IS TWO IN THIS HOUSE.
HEATHER HAS TWO.
SO I SCOURED THE HOUSE AND I
PULLED EACH BOOK ONE BY ONE, AND
THERE IT WAS.
LIKE, I LOOKED OVER, AND IT WAS
RAINY... IT WAS KIND OF RAINY
THAT WEEK.
AND IT JUST... IT JUST SHOWED
UP.
HERE I AM THINKING, I SWEAR IT
WAS HERE.
AND IT WASN'T THERE.
SO I BROUGHT IT TO THEM AND I
SAID, "I FOUND THAT BOOK!"

[LAUGHTER]

The caption changes to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

Nicole continues OH, IT WAS A GREAT MOMENT.
HUGS.
HUGS AND READING THAT BOOK FOR
HOW LONG, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT
WAS MY MOST... AH.
I COULDN'T HAVE DONE ANYTHING
BETTER THAT DAY, WAS THAT BOOK.

Steve says THAT WAS MISSION
ACCOMPLISHED.

Nicole nods and says THAT WAS MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Steve says RIGHT ON.

The clips end and Steve stands in the studio alone.

He says THAT'S JUST SOME OF
WHAT WE COVERED THIS WEEK ON
THE AGENDA.
FOR MORE, INCLUDING THE FULL
CONVERSATIONS, YOU CAN VISIT OUR
WEBSITE, tvo.org, OUR YouTube
CHANNEL AT youtube.com/theagenda
OR OUR TWITTER FEED, THAT'S:
twitter.com/TheAgenda.

Watch: Fall Economic Statement; Police Mental Health; Emily's House