Transcript: A Bill to Build Affordable Homes | Jun 18, 2019

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a dark blue suit, white shirt, and purple tie.

A caption on screen reads "A bill to build affordable homes. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says THE MORE HOMES, MORE CHOICE ACT
IS SET TO INCREASE
THE NUMBER OF HOMES IN ONTARIO
BY CUTTING THE BUREAUCRACY OF IT.
BUT CRITICS SAY IT CREATES A
"WILD WEST" FOR DEVELOPERS,
CUTTING THEIR COSTS BUT NOT
NECESSARILY THE COSTS FOR
BUYERS.
JOINING US NOW FOR MORE ON HIS
HOUSING SUPPLY ACTION PLAN:
STEVE CLARK, MINISTER OF
MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS AND HOUSING
AND MEMBER FOR
LEEDS-GRENVILLE-THOUSAND ISLANDS
AND RIDEAU LAKES.

Clark is in his fifties, clean-shaven and bald. He's wearing glasses, a light gray suit, white shirt, and patterned blue and gray tie.

Steve continues ANYTHING ELSE IN THERE?

Clark says I CAN ADD SOME THINGS.

Steve says I BET YOU COULD.
NICE TO HAVE YOU BACK IN THAT
CHAIR.

Clark says GLAD TO BE BACK.

Steve says I WANT TO START WITH
THIS COMMUNITY BENEFITS CHARTER
TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY
UNDERSTANDS THIS.
IN THE PAST MUNICIPALITIES COULD
CHARGE DEVELOPERS FOR THE COST
OF COMMUNITY CENTRES AND
LIBRARIES AND WIDENING SIDEWALKS
AND WHATEVER ELSE.
NOW I GATHER THE NEW PLAN IS TO
HAVE A SO-CALLED COMMUNITIES
BENEFITS CHARGE.
HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK?

The caption changes to "Steve Clark. Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing."
Then, it changes again to "Changing the rules."

Clark says IT'S GOING TO WORK SIMILAR TO
A DEVELOPMENT CHARGE.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THERE
WILL BE SOME CERTAINTY AND SOME
PREDICTABILITY.
SO THERE WILL BE A FORMULA THAT
WILL BE USED TO DEVELOP WHAT'S
IN TERMS OF A COMMUNITY BENEFITS
CHARGE, AND REALLY WHAT'S BEEN
HAPPENING OUT THERE, PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN SAYING THAT THIS WILL STOP
LIBRARIES BEING BUILT AND STOP
COMMUNITY CENTRES BEING BUILT.
THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT THE INTENT
OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

Steve says COULD IT BE THE EFFECT, THOUGH?

Clark says WELL, NO... HERE'S WHAT I
HOPE: WE ARE GOING TO HAVE VERY
GOOD CONSULTATION THAT'S GOING
TO TAKE PLACE THIS SUMMER AND
INTO THE FALL.
WE WANT TO HEAR FROM
MUNICIPALITIES ABOUT THE FORMULA
THAT WE WILL USE TO ACTUALLY PUT
FORWARD A COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT... DEVELOPING
CHARGE.
AND THE INTENT... THE LETTER I
SENT TO THE HEADS OF COUNCIL
JUST AFTER BILL 108 PASSED ON
JUNE THE 6TH, SO I SENT THE
LETTER TO ALL HEADS OF COUNCIL
ON JUNE 7TH.
I SAID IT WAS NEVER OUR
GOVERNMENT'S INTENTION TO TAKE
AWAY SIGNIFICANT REVENUES FROM
THE MUNICIPAL SECTOR.
WE REALIZE THAT GROWTH PAYS FOR
GROWTH.
WE WANT THIS COMMUNITY BENEFITS
CHARGE TO STILL BE ABLE TO FUND
THOSE VERY NECESSARY GROWTH
CHARGES.
IN FACT, WE ADDED SOME
100 PERCENT RECOVERABLE CHARGES
TO THE COMMUNITIES BENEFITS
CHARGE.
THINGS LIKE WASTE DIVERSION AND
ALSO AMBULANCE CHARGES, WHICH
WAS VERY TOP OF MIND IN THE
MUNICIPAL SECTOR.

Steve says WHO IS GOING TO PAY
THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT...

The caption changes to "Steve Clark. PC MPP, Leeds-Greenville-Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes. @SteveClarkPC."

Clark says AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE THE
DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY.
PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO WANT TO
BUILD IN THOSE COMMUNITIES WILL
HAVE TO USE THIS FORMULA, THAT
AGAIN WE'RE GOING TO BE DRAFTING
WITH EXTENSIVE MUNICIPAL
CONSULTATION.
THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO MOVE
FORWARD.
BUT THE INTENT WAS ALWAYS TO BE
ABLE TO BUILD LIBRARIES,
COMMUNITY CENTRES, THOSE SOFT
SERVICES, BUT AS WELL PROVIDE
SOME PREDICTABILITY FOR PEOPLE
IN THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE WILD
WEST.
IT WILL BE A PREDICTABLE SYSTEM
THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW THE
RULES OF THE GAME GOING IN.

The caption changes to "Connect with us: Twitter: @theagenda; Facebook, agendaconnect@tvo.org, Instagram."

Steve says OKAY.
HERE IS SOME FEEDBACK.
I'LL GET YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS
FEEDBACK.
THE MAYOR OF BURLINGTON SAYS THE
NEW APPROACH WILL HAVE A
DEVASTATING... THAT WAS HER
WORD... DEVASTATING IMPACT ON
BURLINGTON.
THE MAYOR OF TORONTO, JOHN TORY,
SAID IT WOULD FURTHER SOUR
RELATIONS BETWEEN HIS CITY AND
THE PROVINCE. THE MAYOR OF
HALTON HILLS, RICK BONNETTE, SAYS...

A quote appears on screen, under the title "Paying for growth." The quote reads "Municipalities have always encouraged that new growth should be paid for by developers, not on the backs of existing taxpayers. This bill will mean new growth will pay even less of its true costs and you, the existing taxpayer, will have to make up the difference."
Rick Bonnette, quoted in The Hamilton Spectator. June 12, 2019.

Steve says IS HE RIGHT OR WRONG ABOUT THAT?

Clark says I RESPECT ALL OF MY MUNICIPAL
PARTNERS.
I RESPECT THEIR OPINION.
HERE'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE FROM
THEM: I WOULD LIKE THEM TO GET
INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.
THE TELECONFERENCE THAT WE HAD
TODAY WHERE WE HAD TWO
TELECONFERENCES TODAY WITH OUR
MUNICIPAL SECTOR TO GO THROUGH
THE PROPOSED CONSULTATION
PERIOD.
MUNICIPALITIES WANTED TIME TO
GIVE US INPUT ON THE COMMUNITIES
BENEFITS CHARGE.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING
TO BE DOING.
WE'RE POSTING A PROPOSAL LATER
THIS WEEK IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL
REGISTRY THAT WILL GIVE 66 DAYS
FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO COMMENT ON
THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS CHARGE.
THAT TAKES US JUST PAST THE
ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPALITIES OF
ONTARIO CONFERENCE IN AUGUST.
SO PEOPLE LITERALLY, IF SOME OF
THOSE MAYORS LITERALLY WANT TO
HAND ME THEIR COMMENTS ON THE
FORMULA, THEY CAN LITERALLY DO
THAT AT THE AMO CONFERENCE.

Steve says WATCH WHAT YOU WISH
FOR, MINISTER.

Clark says IT'S OKAY.
I WANT THEM TO PARTICIPATE.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM.
AGAIN, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE
PROMOTING AND APPOINTING A
WORKING TABLE, AND I SPOKE TO
AMO ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK, THE
ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPALITIES OF
ONTARIO.
WE ALSO HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH,
YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF TORONTO
TODAY AS WELL.
AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE
SIGNAL TO THEM TODAY, AND AS I
DID ON THOSE CONFERENCE CALLS
THIS MORNING, THAT AFTER WE
WEIGH IN ON THAT ENVIRONMENTAL
REGISTRY POSTING IN AUGUST,
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE
WORKING TABLES THAT ARE GOING TO
TALK ABOUT THE FORMULA, THE
PROPOSED FORMULA.
THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL
POSTING ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL
REGISTRY FOR ANOTHER 60 DAYS.
IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE
PERIOD OF CONSULTATION, IT WILL
BE WELL OVER 140 DAYS THAT WE'LL
BE ASKING THOSE MAYORS TO GIVE
US THEIR COMMENT ON HOW THE
FORMULA SHOULD WORK FOR THE
COMMUNITY BENEFITS CHARGE MOVING
FORWARD.
SO I THINK I'M BEING RESPONSIVE.

Steve says ALL RIGHT.
I'LL GET YOU TO COMMENT ON THIS AS WELL.
THE CITY OF TORONTO ONCE UPON A
TIME PUT TOGETHER A REPORT
CALLED MIDTOWN IN FOCUS.
WE'RE HERE IN MIDTOWN TORONTO
RIGHT NOW.
IN FACT IT BROUGHT FORWARD A LOT
OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, A LOT
OF EXPERTS TO COMMENT ON HOW TO
DEVELOP THE AREA THAT WE FIND
OURSELVES IN RIGHT NOW, EGLINTON
MIDTOWN.
YEARS OF WORK WENT INTO THAT.
THEIR CONCERN IS THAT ALL OF
THOSE CONSULTATIONS ARE NOW OUT
THE WINDOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE
BROUGHT IN NEW RULES, A NEW
PROCESS, A NEW WAY OF DOING
BUSINESS.
WOULD YOU SAY ALL OF THEIR WORK
HAS GONE FOR NAUGHT?

Clark says NO, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT.
OUR GOVERNMENT WAS ELECTED LAST
JUNE WITH A MANDATE.
EVERY TIME I ENGAGED A
STAKEHOLDER IN MY PORTFOLIO,
MINISTER OF HOUSING, I TALKED
ABOUT THE NEED TO PROVIDE MORE
HOUSING.
WE'RE IN A CRISIS.
PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THE DREAM
OF HOME OWNERSHIP, THEY DON'T
SEE A PATH TO HOME OWNERSHIP,
THEY DON'T SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
LIVE CLOSE TO WHERE THEY WORK.
WE BROUGHT IN A NUMBER OF
CONSULTATIVE POLICIES.
WE HAD EXTENSIVE CONSULTATIONS
FOR THE GROWTH PLAN.
WE HAD EXTENSIVE CONSULTATIONS
FOR BILL 108.
I TALKED ABOUT THE FURTHER
CONSULTATION A FEW MINUTES AGO
ON COMMUNITY BENEFITS CHARGE.
EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE WE'VE
LOOKED AT CONSULTING.
HOWEVER, WE'VE ALSO ANNOUNCED AS
A GOVERNMENT WE WANT TO MAKE
SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS IN
TRANSIT.
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS ANNOUNCED
WE'RE GOING TO SPEND
28.5 BILLION DOLLARS TO UPGRADE TRANSIT
IN THE CITY.
THOSE TWO PLANS THAT WERE
SITTING AT THE MINISTRY OF
MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS BACK IN JULY
COVER ABOUT 90 PERCENT OF THE
AREA FOR TRANSIT.
OUR GOVERNMENT NEEDED TO PUT A
POLICY IN PLACE TO MAXIMIZE
THOSE INVESTMENTS IN TRANSIT.
ALMOST EVERY CONSULTATION,
STEVE, THAT WE HAD ON HOUSING
TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO
INTENSIFY AND PROVIDE HIGHER
DENSITY AROUND MAJOR TRANSIT...

Steve says LET ME PICK UP ON THAT.

Clark says THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK IS
VERY IMPORTANT.
THAT'S WHAT MY PLAN WILL DO.

Steve says OKAY.
LET ME PICK UP ON THAT.
BAYVIEW AND EGLINTON IS AN
INTERSECTION ABOUT FIVE MINUTES
EAST OF HERE.
RIGHT NOW 8 STOREYS IS ABOUT THE
LIMIT YOU CAN BUILD THERE.
YOUR POLICY WOULD RAISE THAT TO
35 STOREYS.
A LOT MORE INTENSIFICATION.
WHAT'S MAGIC ABOUT 35 STOREYS?
HOW DID YOU GET THAT?

Clark says I THINK IT'S 20 TO 35...

Steve says AS MANY AS 35 STOREYS.

The caption changes to "Watch us anytime: tvo.org, Twitter: @theagenda, Facebook Live."

Clark says ABSOLUTELY.
THE ONE THING I WANT TO SAY, AND
IT'S HARD IN POLITICS... I
UNDERSTAND.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN POLITICS
ON AND OFF FOR DECADES.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE A LOCAL
POLITICIAN, IT'S EASY TO TALK
ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THAT
NEIGHBOURHOOD.
THE HARDER VISION FOR LOCAL
PLANNING AND LOCAL POLICIES IS
TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE
IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW.
THE ONES WHO WOULD LOVE TO LIVE
NEAR TRANSIT, THAT MANY THAT
MILLENNIAL COUPLE THAT WANTS TO
LIVE CLOSE TO WHERE THEY WORK.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT I'M
SPEAKING TO AND TRYING TO ENSURE
THAT THERE'S INTENSIFICATION AND
IN TERMS THERE'S BETTER DENSITY
NEAR THOSE MAJOR TRANSIT
STATIONS...

Steve says BETTER DENSITY BUT
IS IT APPROPRIATE DENSITY?

Clark says I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING
THAT WAS UNANIMOUS, WE NEEDED
MORE INTENSIFICATION AROUND
THOSE MAJOR TRANSIT STATION
AREAS.
AND IF WE'RE GOING TO LEVERAGE
THOSE INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE
MAKING IN TRANSIT AS A
GOVERNMENT, WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE
DENSITY.
AND THE ONE THING I WANT TO SAY
THAT I HAVE LEFT THE DOOR OPEN
FOR AND I REALLY WANT TO WORK
WITH THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I HAD A GREAT STATEMENT WITH THE
DEPUTY MAYOR ABOUT WORKING
TOGETHER ON INCLUSIONARY ZONING.
THAT'S WHERE WE'VE IN BILL 108
HAVE SAID WE WANT TO USE
INCLUSIONARY ZONING.
WE WANT TO PROVIDE MORE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEAR MAJOR
TRANSIT STATION AREAS.
I REALLY WANT TO SIT DOWN WITH
THE CITY AND REALLY WORK
TOGETHER ON THAT.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I
HOPE WE CAN ALL AGREE ON, THAT
WE NEED TO HAVE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING NEAR TRANSIT.
I'M PROVIDING THAT OPPORTUNITY.
I'M KEEPING THAT TOOL IN THE
TOOL BOX OF INCLUSIONARY ZONING,
BUT I'M, AGAIN, TRYING TO BE
VERY CONSISTENT AS A MINISTER IN
SAYING THAT WHEN WE INTENSIFY,
IT HAS TO BE AROUND THOSE
TRANSIT STATION AREAS.
WE HAVE TO LEVERAGE THAT
INVESTMENT AS A PROVINCE.
BUT AS WELL WE HAVE TO HAVE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AGAIN, I HOPE REGARDLESS OF SOME
OF THE INITIAL FEELING ABOUT MY
CHANGES TO OPA 405 AND 406,
THOSE OFFICIAL PLAN AMENDMENTS
WERE IN MAJOR PORTIONS OF THE
CITY AND I THINK THEY HAVE TO
REFLECT THE NEW GOVERNMENT AND
THE NEW GOVERNMENT'S PRIORITIES.

Steve says OKAY.
THIS IS GOING TO NEED A LITTLE
WINDUP SO GET COMFORTABLE HERE.

Clark says SURE.

Steve says IF THINGS GO
ACCORDING TO HOYLE, THERE WILL
BE MORE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE WILL BE MORE
INTENSIFICATION.
THERE WILL BE MORE HOMES.
THERE WILL BE MORE CHOICES FOR
PEOPLE TO LIVE.
DEVELOPERS, THEORETICALLY, WILL
MAKE MORE MONEY.
THERE ARE OPEN QUESTIONS ABOUT
WHETHER OR NOT THE DEVELOPERS
WILL PASS ON THE ADDED PROFITS
IN FORMS OF, SAY, CHEAPER RENTS,
OR IN FORMS OF, SAY, MORE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THERE'S A LOT OF CYNICISM IN
POLITICS NOWADAYS.
AND SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY
THERE'S A QUID PRO QUO BETWEEN
YOU ALLOWING DEVELOPERS THE
OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MORE MONEY
AND THEM MAKING POLITICAL
CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR POLITICAL
PARTY.
AND I THINK YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO
WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A
CONNECTION THERE.

Clark says YEAH.
I... I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY
CLEAR THAT I'VE... I'VE SAID
RIGHT FROM THE DAY THAT I WAS
APPOINTED MINISTER OF MUNICIPAL
AFFAIRS, I WANT TO WORK WITH ALL
PARTNERS.
IF THEY'RE IN THE DEVELOPMENT
BUSINESS, SO BE IT.
IF THEY'RE IN THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT
BUSINESS AND WANT TO PROVIDE
MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'LL BE
THEIR PARTNER AS WELL.
THE PERSON THAT I'M STANDING UP
FOR IS THAT SENIOR WHO FEARS
THEY CAN'T GET GOOD RESALE VALUE
FOR THEIR HOME AND GET INTO
ANOTHER ACCOMMODATION THAT MEETS
THEIR NEEDS, THAT YOUNG
MILLENNIAL COUPLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I REJECT THE
PREMISE THAT ALL OF OUR POLICIES
ARE ONLY SEEN THROUGH ONE
STAKEHOLDER'S EYES.
I HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY
STAKEHOLDER, AND I CAN PROVE TO
YOU, STEVE, WHETHER IT BE
INCLUSIONARY ZONING, WANTING
MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEAR
TRANSIT, WHETHER IT'S SOME OF
THE DECISIONS THAT I MADE IN
BILL 108 TO DEFER DEVELOPMENT
CHARGES, OR MY NEW COMMUNITY
BENEFITS AUTHORITY FOR THINGS
LIKE HABITATS FOR HUMANITY OR
OTHER NON--PROFITS, WHETHER IT'S
MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE AN
ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE CAN GET
MORE PURPOSE-BUILT RENTAL BUILT.
WE NEED MORE SUPPLY OF ALL
TYPES, AND I'M TRYING TO ENSURE
THAT EVERY VOICE CAN BE HEARD.
THE ONE THING THAT SOMEONE SAID
TO ME IS, IF YOU WANT SOMETHING
LIKE MISSING MIDDLE, YOU'VE GOT
TO PUT POLICIES IN PLACE TO DO
THAT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE DONE.
AND, YES, THERE WILL BE MORE
DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THESE ARE THE
PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE
BUILDING THOSE AFFORDABLE HOMES
FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT I'M
SPEAKING FOR.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO THROW THEM
OUT.
I WANT TO ADD THEM TO A BIG TENT
OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL IN THE
SAME HOUSING SPACE.
THAT'S WHY, ACTUALLY, BEFORE I
EVEN ANNOUNCED BILL 108, I
ACTUALLY ANNOUNCED THE COMMUNITY
HOUSING RENEWABLE STRATEGY,
BECAUSE I WANTED TO CLEARLY SAY
TO THOSE PEOPLE, SOME OF THE
MOST... THE PEOPLE WHO NEED
AFFORDABLE HOUSING THE MOST,
THAT I VALUE THE FACT THAT WE
HAVE A COMMUNITY HOUSING SYSTEM
THAT NEEDS TO BE RENEWED.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUTTING A
BILLION DOLLARS INTO THAT
SYSTEM.
THAT'S WHY I HAVE SIGNALLED TO
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT I
WANT TO BE A PARTNER, I WANT ALL
THREE LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT TO
WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE MORE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING
OPPORTUNITIES.
THAT'S WHAT CONSTITUENTS EXPECT
THAT I'M GOING TO SAY AND THAT'S
WHAT THE CONSTITUENTS, WHICH ARE
THE SAME CONSTITUENTS OF THOSE
MUNICIPAL AND FEDERAL
POLITICIANS, THEY WANT US ALL
WORKING TOGETHER.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO DO.

Steve says IN THE VAST MAJORITY
OF TORONTO NEIGHBOURHOODS, THE
ONLY TYPES OF HOMES ALLOWED ARE
DETACHED OR SEMIDETACHED.
THERE ARE A FEW POCKETS WHERE
OTHER BUILDINGS ARE ALLOWED.
HAVE WE GOT A SHOT OF THIS HERE?
318 CLINTON STREET.
GIL MESLIN TWEETED...

A tweet by Gil Meslin appears on screen. It shows pictures of different types of buildings and reads "Which would do greater good for present and future generations: Restricting these typologies in low-rise residential areas, or allowing them? 12 units. Smaller lot area than the two neighbouring semi-detached houses. The key: 60 percent lot coverage. Hashtag Missing Middle."

Steve says DO YOU WANT TO
ANSWER HIS QUESTION?

The caption changes to "The missing middle."

Clark says I THINK GIL ALWAYS BRINGS UP
A POINT.
HE'S A FREQUENT...

Steve says YOU KNOW HIM.

Clark says COMMENTER ON SOCIAL MEDIA,
AND I APPRECIATE HEARING ALL
VOICES.
I DO BELIEVE THAT AS PART OF OUR
HOUSING SUPPLY ACTION PLAN, ONE
OF THE BIG ISSUES WAS THAT
MISSING MIDDLE, WAS THAT RIGHT
MIX OF HOUSING, AND I TRULY
BELIEVE THAT WHILE WE DO NEED TO
HAVE MORE INTENSIFICATION AND
MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROUGH
INCLUSIONARY ZONING AROUND MAJOR
TRANSIT STATIONS, I THINK WE
ALSO HAVE TO TURN OUR MIND TO
OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, TINY HOMES,
LANEWAY HOMES, THE MISSING
MIDDLE, THAT I THINK IS SUCH...
YOU KNOW, SUCH A NEEDED AREA,
AND I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO
LOOK AT EVERYTHING WE DO IN
TRYING TO PROVIDE THOSE
OPPORTUNITIES.

Steve says DOES BILL 108,
THOUGH, ADDRESS THAT?

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Clark says I THINK IT DOES.
I THINK IT DOES.
SOME CRITICS WILL SAY THE PROOF
IS... AND THE PROOF IS GOING TO
BE FOR PURPOSE-BUILT RENTAL AS
WELL AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEAR
TRANSIT, IT'S GOING TO BE
SHOVELS IN THE GROUND.
AND I WILL BE JUDGED AND OUR
GOVERNMENT WILL BE JUDGED, I GO
IN THIS WITH MY EYES WIDE OPEN,
THAT I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW
THAT I'VE HAD GOOD ADVANCEMENT
IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS ON...
NOW THAT I'VE PUT THESE POLICIES
IN PLACE... NOW TRYING TO
ACTUALLY HAVE SHOVELS IN THE
GROUND AND ACTUALLY BE
SUCCESSFUL.
SO THAT IS A BIG CHALLENGE...

Steve says THAT IS THE TRICK,
THOUGH, ISN'T IT?
THE FACT IS YOU'RE MAKING POLICY
HERE IN YEAR ONE OF THIS
GOVERNMENT.
BUT IT WILL BE YEARS BEFORE WE
KNOW WHETHER THESE POLICIES
ACTUALLY PAID OFF.

Clark says AND I HAVE TO USE EVERY TOOL
I HAVE AT MY DISPOSAL TO MAKE
SURE WE DO HAVE SHOVELS IN THE
GROUND.
WE'RE CHALLENGING ALL OF OUR
PARTNERS TO ENSURE THAT IF THERE
IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT OUR
GOVERNMENT IS ENGAGED, AND I
TRULY MEAN THAT AS WELL WITH OUR
MUNICIPAL PARTNERS.
I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS
THAT SOME OF THE THOSE MAYORS
EARLIER TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF
CONSULTATION AROUND 108, I THINK
I'VE REALLY SHOWN THAT I'VE
LISTENED AND WE'VE PUT A PLAN IN
PLACE THAT WE'LL CONSULT.
I HAVE THAT SAME COMMENT WHEN I
SPOKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AT
THE CO-OP HOUSING FEDERATION
CONFERENCE.
I LITERALLY TOLD THEM THAT WE
HAVE TO MAKE SOME RENEWAL IN OUR
COMMUNITY HOUSING SECTOR.
WHAT KEEPS ME AWAKE AT NIGHT,
STEVE, IS THE FACT THAT WITHIN
THE NEXT TEN YEARS, WE COULD
LOSE UP TO 106,000 OF THOSE
COMMUNITY HOUSING UNITS.
WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE...

Steve says BECAUSE WHAT?

Clark says BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL BE AT THE
END OF THEIR MORTGAGE
AGREEMENTS.
THEY MIGHT DECIDE THAT IT'S IN
THEIR BEST INTERESTS TO GET OUT
OF THE BUSINESS.
AND I'VE GOT TO LEVERAGE EVERY
SINGLE DOLLAR, WHETHER IT'S A
MUNICIPAL DOLLAR, ONE OF MY OWN
DOLLARS, OR A FEDERAL DOLLAR TO
ENSURE THAT WE CANNOT JUST RENEW
AND REPAIR BUT ALSO BUILD
OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY
HOUSING.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF BALLS UP IN
THE AIR AS MINISTER OF MUNICIPAL
AFFAIRS AND HOUSING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT MY SIGNAL IS, IN EVERYTHING
THAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE TRYING
TO SPEAK TO THAT PERSON THAT
JUST DOESN'T SEE A PATH TO HOME
OWNERSHIP RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM THAT
OPPORTUNITY.

Steve says DO YOU THINK THE
LAWS... I MEAN, THE LAWS OF
SUPPLY AND DEMAND PROBABLY WORK
IN 90 PERCENT OF THE PROVINCE.
BUT TORONTO SEEMS TO BE IMMUNE.
YOU CAN BUILD AS MUCH SUPPLY AS
YOU WANT IN ORDER TO HELP, YOU
KNOW, MODERATE THE INCREASES IN
COSTS, BUT THEY JUST SEEM TO BE
GOING UP AND UP... THIS IS A
VERY HOT MARKET, I DON'T HAVE TO
TELL YOU.
THERE'S 125,000 NEW PEOPLE
MOVING INTO THE CAPITAL CITY
EVERY YEAR.
CAN YOU GROW YOUR WAY OUT OF
THIS PROBLEM?

The caption changes to "Paving the way."

Clark says I THINK YOU CAN.
I THINK IT TAKES A CONCERTED
EFFORT ACROSS GOVERNMENT, AND AS
I SAID EARLIER, AMONG THE THREE
LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.
AS WELL, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
POLICIES, AND I SPOKE EARLIER
ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHEN I FIRST
BECAME MINISTER, YOU KNOW, WE
REVIEWED OPA 405 AND 406 HERE IN
TORONTO.
WE STARTED A VERY ROBUST
CONSULTATION WHICH RESULTED IN A
PLACE TO GROW, THE GROWTH PLAN
FOR THE GREATER GOLDEN
HORSESHOE, WHICH ENCOMPASSES A
HUGE AREA THAT WILL HAVE A
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GROWTH,
NOT JUST IN OUR PROVINCE BUT FOR
OUR COUNTRY IN THE NEXT 25
YEARS.
SO WE HAVE TO GET GROWTH
PRESSURES RIGHT THERE.
WE HAVE TO SET PRIORITIES, LIKE
DEVELOPMENT AROUND TRANSIT.
BUT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO LOOK
AT OTHER AREAS OF THE PROVINCE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE
WORKING ON NOW IS THE PROVINCIAL
POLICY STATEMENT.
WE HAVE TO ENGAGE ALL OF OUR
MUNICIPALITIES, WHETHER THEY BE
LARGE URBAN MUNICIPALITY LIKE
THE CITY OF TORONTO OR THE
SMALLEST OR MOST RURAL AND
REMOTE.
THERE ARE HOUSING CHALLENGES
RIGHT ACROSS THIS PROVINCE, AND
WE NEED TO HAVE A FLEXIBLE
POLICY THAT REALLY TRIES TO
ADDRESS MOST OF THEM.
IT'S A TOUGH PROBLEM.
I CAN'T... I'M NOT GOING TO
CANDY-COAT IT.
IT IS A VERY TOUGH PROBLEM.
BUT ONE THAT I THINK OUR
GOVERNMENT HAS... I HAVE TO BE
VERY PLEASED WITH MY CABINET
COLLEAGUES AND PREMIER FORD.
THEY'VE GIVEN ME A LOT OF
OPPORTUNITY TO CARRY HOUSING POLICY...

Steve says WE'LL SPEAK TO THAT IN A SECOND.

Clark says I'M VERY HAPPY OF IT.

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Steve says SPEAKING OF CABINET,
LET'S FINISH UP ON THAT.
THIS ISN'T MEANT TO BE A GOTCHA
COMMENT.
THERE ARE RUMOURS THERE'S GOING
TO BE A CABINET SHUFFLE AT
QUEEN'S PARK.
MAYBE YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT
IT AND MAYBE YOU DON'T.
BUT GIVEN THE SEEDS YOU HAVE
PLANTED IN THIS PORTFOLIO, IS IT
DONE WHEREBY YOU MIGHT GO TO THE
PREMIER OR ONE OF THE PREMIER'S
ASSOCIATES AND SAY.
I'LL USE YOUR EXPRESSION.
I'VE GOT A LOT OF BALLS UP IN
THE AIR I'M JUGGLING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE PLANNING
TO SHUFFLE ME, BUT COULD YOU
LEAVE ME ALONE FOR A WHILE SO I
COULD GET SOME STUFF DONE?

Clark says I HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THOSE
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PREMIER.

Steve says SHOULD YOU?

Clark says I THINK MOST PEOPLE KNOW ME.
THEY KNOW THIS WAS MY DREAM JOB,
YOU KNOW, I WAS A MAYOR AT A
VERY YOUNG AGE, BECAME A CAO
JUST BEFORE MY ELECTION.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN MUNICIPAL
POLITICS AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK
I'VE BEEN... IN MY TIME WITH THE
CHAIN OF OFFICE AROUND MY NECK,
I WAS... I THINK WE DID SOME
GREAT THINGS ON THE HOUSING
FRONT IN MY MUNICIPALITY.
YOU KNOW, I PUT MY HEAD DOWN.
I TRY TO GET MY WORK DONE.
AND THAT'S THE MESSAGE I BRING
TO THE CABINET TABLE.
I'M A GOOD QUESTIONER, BUT I'M
ALSO, I THINK, A VERY STRONG AND
VOCAL ADVOCATE FOR THE MUNICIPAL
SECTOR AND I'M GOING TO CONTINUE
TO BE THAT AND TO DO THAT IN
WHATEVER CAPACITY THAT THE
PREMIER FEELS THAT HE CAN PUT ME IN.
I'M CERTAINLY... I THINK MOST
PEOPLE KNOW, I'M VERY HAPPY IN
DOING WHAT I'M DOING, AND I'VE
GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO AND I'M
GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO IT IN
WHATEVER ROLE THE PREMIER HAS.
BUT I'M VERY HAPPY AS MINISTER
OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS AND HOUSING.

The caption changes to "Producer: Cara Stern, @carastern."

Steve says AND WE'RE HAPPY YOU
CAME IN TODAY TO TAKE OUR
QUESTIONS. THAT'S STEVE CLARK,
THE MINISTER OF MUNICIPAL
AFFAIRS AND HOUSING AND THE P.C.
MEMBER FOR LEEDS-GRENVILLE-
THOUSAND ISLANDS AND RIDEAU
LAKES. THANKS, MINISTER.

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Clark says THANK YOU.

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