Transcript: Science of Winning in Sport | Jun 10, 2019

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and striped lilac tie.

A caption on screen reads "Science of winning in sport. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says HIGHLY-SKILLED
ATHLETES TRAIN, PREPARE,
PRACTICE, AND KEEP THEIR EYES ON
THE PRIZE.
IS THAT WHAT DELIVERS SUCCESS?
OR IS THERE A HEALTHY DOSE OF
LUCK NEEDED TO TIE IT ALL UP
WITH A BIG BLUE FIRST-PRIZE BOW?
WITH US FOR THEIR INSIGHTS ON
SUCH PERENNIAL QUESTIONS, WE
WELCOME:
IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA:
TOM STERNER, FORMER ASSISTANT
COACH FOR THE TORONTO RAPTORS
AND THE GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS,
AMONG OTHERS...

Tom is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short, mid-parted brown hair. He's wearing a gray shirt.

Steve continues IN NEW YORK, NEW YORK:
HAMILTON, ONTARIO'S OWN
KIA NURSE, WHO CURRENTLY PLAYS
FOR THE NEW YORK LIBERTY OF THE
WOMEN'S NATIONAL BASKETBALL
ASSOCIATION...

Kia is in his late thirties, with long curly black hair. She's wearing a striped gray blazer over a white blouse.

Steve continues AND HERE IN OUR STUDIO:
CHERI BRADISH, DIRECTOR OF THE
FUTURE OF SPORT LAB AT RYERSON UNIVERSITY...

Cheri is in her fifties, with chin-length wavy brown hair and bangs. She's wearing a black blazer.

Steve continues AND PETER JENSEN, MENTAL
PERFORMANCE COACH, OLYMPIC
TRAINER, AND AUTHOR OF "THRIVING
IN A 24-7 WORLD: AN ENERGIZING
TALE ABOUT GROWING THROUGH PRESSURE."

Peter is in his sixties, clean-shaven, with short white hair. He's wearing glasses and a blue shirt.

Steve continues GREAT TO HAVE EVERYBODY ON THE PROGRAM FOR A RATHER TIMELY
DISCUSSION, GIVEN WHAT THIS
CITY, PROVINCE, AND COUNTRY ARE
OBSESSED WITH RIGHT NOW.
KIA, I WANT TO START WITH YOU.
BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCES, AND I
HAVE A WHOLE LIST HERE OF THEM,
BUT IF I WENT INTO THEM ALL, WE
WOULDN'T HAVE ANY TIME LEFT FOR
THE CONVERSATION, SO LET'S JUST
SAY YOU'RE A PRETTY FABULOUS
ATHLETE WHO HAS ACHIEVED A GREAT
DEAL AT MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS OF
SPORTS, WHAT ARE THE KEY FACTORS
THAT YOU THINK GO INTO WINNING A
CHAMPIONSHIP BEYOND THE REGULAR
STUFF THAT THOSE OF US WHO JUST
SPECTATE WOULD KNOW ABOUT?

The caption changes to "Kia Nurse. WNBA."
Then, it changes again to "What's luck got to do with it?"

Kia says WELL, I THINK FORTUNATELY
I'VE BEEN A PART OF A LOT OF
GREAT TEAMS WHO ARE FILLED WITH
AWESOME PEOPLE, AWESOME PLAYERS,
BUT I THINK THE BIG THING THAT
WE HAD WAS LEADERSHIP, AND THAT
IS SOMETHING THAT IS INVALUABLE,
SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY
SEE FROM CAMERAS OR JUST
WATCHING A GAME ITSELF.
IT'S IN THE LOCKER ROOM.
IT'S THE ASPECTS OF OUR TEAMS
THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET TO SEE.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S
EXCITING FOR US AS PLAYERS AND
SPECIAL TO HAVE THAT IN OUR
LOCKER ROOM, BUT IT'S TOUGH TO
EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE, WHY WE'RE SO
GOOD OR WHY WE HAVE SUCH GREAT
LEADERS WITHOUT THEM ACTUALLY
BEING THERE TO EXPERIENCE IT
THEMSELVES.

Steve says TOM, I'VE SEEN SO
MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF
LEADERSHIP, THERE ARE THE QUIET
LOU GEHRIG TYPES.
THERE ARE THE RAH-RAH TYPES.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS BEST?

The caption changes to "Tom Sterner. Former NBA Coach."

Tom says I THINK YOU LOOK AT A
COMBINATION OF EVERYTHING.
KAWHI LEONARD IS AS QUIET AS YOU
CAN BE.
HE GOES OUT AND IN A
CRAFTSMANLIKE WAY, JUST CARVES
UP THE OPPONENT.
KEVIN LOWREY IS A FIERY GUY.
HE HAS A VOICE IN THE LOCKER
ROOM BEFORE GAMES.
I THINK YOU NEED A COMBINATION
OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT PIECES IN
ORDER TO HAVE A CHAMPIONSHIP
TEAM.

Steve says HERE'S MAYBE A
DIFFERENT FACTOR THAT WE SHOULD
ADD TO THE LIST AND THAT IS, AND
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PLAN FOR
THIS... I THINK IT JUST HAPPENS.
THE ANSWER IS LUCK.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NEED TO
WIN IS LUCK.
AND CAN WE START MAYBE RAPTORS,
76ERS, GAME 7, NO TIME LEFT ON
THE CLOCK.
SOMEBODY GOES UP FOR A FINAL
BUZZER BEATER, AND FOUR BOUNCES
LATER, SHELDON, ROLL IT, PLEASE.

A clip plays on screen with the caption "May 12, 2019."
The clip is a snippet from the final moments of the Toronto Raptors-Philadelphia 76ers game. Both teams have a score of 90.

As time runs out and a Raptors player moves with the ball, a commentator says
IT'S OFF TO LEONARD, DEFENDED BY SIMMONDS.

The player throws the ball. The buzzer rings marking the end of the game. The ball hits the basket, bounces and enters it.

Several commentators yell
SCOOOOOORES!!!

The players leap up, as do the fans watching the game.

The first commentator says DREAM!
DREAM!
TORONTO HAS WON!

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

The players hug and celebrate.

The clip ends.

Steve says CLEARLY SO FAR THE
GREATEST MOMENT IN CANADIAN
BASKETBALL HISTORY.
LET'S JUST AS WELL BRING UP SOME
ISOLATED PICTURES OF THOSE.
THIS ONE, FIRST ONE HERE FROM
POSTMEDIA, STAN BEHAL.
LOOK AT THAT BALL.
IT MUST HAVE TAKEN AN HOUR AND A
HALF FOR THAT BALL TO GO IN AND
A CLOSE UP KAWHI WAITS FOR THAT
POSITION IN A CROUCHED POSITION
AND EVENTUALLY IT DID.

A picture shows the exact moment the ball enters the basket.
Another picture shows the player watching excitedly.

Steve continues LET ME SHARE SOME NUMBERS ON THE
UNLIKELIHOOD OF THAT HAPPENING.
SOME NUMBERS WERE CRUNCHED FOR US.


A slate appears on screen, with the title "How rare are buzzer beaters?"

Steve reads data from the slate and says
HE SAID THAT A TOTAL OF 43 OUT
OF ABOUT 4,000 NBA PLAYOFF GAMES
ARE WON BY BUZZER BEATERS.
IN OTHER WORDS, A SHOT THAT GOES
IN RIGHT AS THE BUZZER TICKS.
THAT'S ABOUT ONE PERCENT OF NBA
GAMES.
PRETTY RARE.
GOING BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED.
KIA, LET ME GET TO YOU FIRST.
I GET LEADERSHIP, I GET TALENT,
YOU I GET SKILL.
HOW MUCH IS LUCK A FACTOR?

Kia says I THINK LUCK GETS A LITTLE
BIT OF LOVE HERE, ESPECIALLY IN
YOUR SITUATION.
I THINK ONE OF THE IMPORTANT
THINGS TO LOOK AT IS, WHEN YOU
LOOK AT KAWHI LEONARD AND HIS
ABILITY TO TAKE A CLUTCH SHOT
LIKE THAT.
EVERY TIME HE'S IN THAT
SITUATION, HE GOES ALL THE WAY
DOWN TO THE CORNER, WHICH IS
WHERE MOST PEOPLE DON'T GO TO
TAKE THAT SHOT, AND HE HAS THE
FOOT WORK AND PRACTICES THAT
SHOT EVERY DAY.
IT'S THE FADE-AWAY THAT GOES.
THAT WAS A SHOOTER'S ROLE, A
LITTLE BIT OF A SHOOTER'S TOUCH
BUT IS A LITTLE BIT OF LUCK.

Steve says PETER, HOW ABOUT LUCK?
YOU MAKE EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THE
MIND IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT
WHAT ABOUT LUCK?

The caption changes to "Peter Jensen. Performance Coaching. @drpeterjensen."

Peter says I'M WITH STEVEN LEACOCK.
HE SAYS THE HARDER I WORK, THE
MORE LUCK I HAVE.
IF HE DIDN'T HAVE THE PROPER
ARC, HE WOULDN'T HAVE GOT THE
BOUNCES.
YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW THE FLAT
WAS A LITTLE SHOT AND HE GOT
MORE ARC, MORE HEIGHT ON IT.
IT DOES PLAY A ROLE.
THERE'S NO USE SAYING IT
DOESN'T.
I'VE COME FROM WORKING WITH THE
HOCKEY COACHES, THE PROGRAM OF
EXCELLENCE AT HOCKEY CANADA.
ALL THE MEN WHO COACH FOR CANADA
THIS YEAR.
YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING YOU WANT
BUT WITH A ROUND PUCK AND ICE
AND A GOALIE AND A REFEREE,
THINGS HAPPEN.
THINGS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.

Steve says CHERI, HOW ABOUT IT?

The caption changes to "Cheri Bradish. Ryerson University. @FutureSportLab."

Cheri says I COME FROM THE PERSPECTIVE
WHERE IT'S ART AND SCIENCE.
THERE ARE INTANGIBLES LIKE LUCK.
FROM THE SPACE WE'RE LOOKING AT
FROM RYERSON, LOOKING AT
STRATEGICALLY, ALL THOSE UNIQUE
ELEMENTS THAT WENT INTO THE
COMPOSITION OF THE TEAM AND THE
FRONT BENCH AND THE FRONT OFFICE
THAT IS HAPPENING TODAY.
SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, YOU
HAVE THOSE INTANGIBLES SUCH AS
LUCK AND THAT SHOT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF STEPS AND I
THINK YOU'LL PROBABLY GET INTO
IT, BUT LOOKING AT THE SPORTS
SCIENCE DIRECTOR, ALEX
McKECHNIE, HE'S A MAESTRO OF
THE TEAM IN TERMS OF
UNDERSTANDING THE PLAYERS BOTH
AS SCIENCE FIRST AND BUILDING
THAT TRUST AND LOOKING AT THE
ART OF PERFORMANCE AND GETTING
TO THE PLACES THAT WE SEE THEM
TONIGHT.

Steve says TOM, I WONDER AS A
COACH, AS SOMEBODY WHO SPENDS
HOUR AFTER HOUR AFTER HOUR DOING
THE PREPARATION AND MAKING SURE
THE GUYS ARE HEALTHY AND MAKING
SURE THE GUYS ARE WELL-PRACTISED
AND MAKING SURE... YOU KNOW THE
LIST OF THINGS YOU'VE GOT TO GO
THROUGH.
AND AN ENTIRE SEASON CAN COME
DOWN TO WHETHER THE BALL BOUNCES
OFF THE RIM FOUR TIMES AND IN OR
OUT.
HOW AGGRAVATING IS THAT FOR YOU
KNOWING WHAT A ROLE LUCK PLAYS
IN ALL OF THIS?

The caption changes to "Tom Sterner. NBA Analyst."

Tom says IT CAN BE FRUSTRATING.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TRY TO DO
AS A COACH IS YOU PUT YOUR TEAM
IN A POSITION TO WIN.
AS YOU SAW THROUGHOUT THE
SERIES, THERE WERE TIMES WHEN
THE RAPTORS DIDN'T SHOOT THE
BALL WELL.
YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR EMPHASIS ON
THINGS YOU CAN CONTROL.
HOW HARD YOU PLAY.
WHAT QUALITY OF DEFENCE DO YOU
HAVE.
WHAT THINGS CAN YOU DO TO AFFECT
THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME THAT
JUST DOESN'T REVOLVE SOLELY
AROUND SHOOTING.
I'M SURE KIA CAN TALK A LOT
ABOUT HER SUCCESS AT UCONN IN
TERMS OF HOW WELL THEY PLAY
DEFENSIVELY.
IN TALKING TO NICK NURSE THE
OTHER DAY, I COMPLIMENTED HIM ON
THE FACT THAT I SAW IN THIS
SERIES, IN THE MILWAUKEE SERIES
AND THE PHILADELPHIA SERIES, A
TEAM PLAY HARDER FOR 48 MINUTES
FOR THE ENTIRE TIME THAN I HAVE
IN A LONG TIME, AND I THINK
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BEING
SUCCESSFUL RIGHT NOW.

Steve says KIA, CAN I GO
THROUGH A BIT OF A CHECKLIST
WITH YOU.
WHO IS DARNELL?

Kia says DARNELL IS MY BROTHER WHO IS
IN THE NHL.

Steve says WHO DOES HE PLAY FOR?

Kia says EDMONTON OILERS.

Steve says WHO IS RICHARD?

Kia says RICHARD IS MY FATHER.
HE PLAYS IN THE CFL FOR THE
HAMILTON TIGER-CATS.

Steve says GREATEST TEAM IN THE
WORLD.
YES, I KNOW.
WHO IS... WHO IS DONOVAN
McNABB?

Kia says DONOVAN McNABB IS MY PRO
BOWL UNCLE QUARTERBACK FOR THE
NFL EAGLES, VIKINGS, REDSKINS,
ABOUT 13 YEARS.

Steve says TOOK THEM TO THE
SUPERBOWL ONE YEAR, THE EAGLES.
I REMEMBER THAT WELL.
HOW ABOUT RAPTORS' COACH NICK
NURSE?
NO, HE'S NOT RELATED.
NEVER MIND.

Kia says HE'S NOT RELATED.
WE JUST HAVE THE SAME NAME.

Steve says WE'LL TAKE HIM OFF
THE LIST.
MY POINT IS YOU OBVIOUSLY COME
FROM A FAMILY WITH A LOT OF
TREMENDOUS ATHLETIC EXCELLENCE.
SO I WANT YOU, IF YOU WOULD, TO
COMPARE, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE
PLAYED A NUMBER OF SPORTS AS
WELL, COMPARE WHAT IT TAKES TO
WINNING A BASKETBALL GAME, FIVE
PEOPLE ON THE COURT, TO WINNING
A HOCKEY GAME, SIX PLAYERS ON
THE ICE, TO WINNING A FOOTBALL
GAME, CFL 12, NFL 11 PEOPLE ON
THE FIELD AT THE SAME TIME...
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

Kia says I THINK ONE OF THE BIG THINGS
IS BASKETBALL, A LOT OF TIMES
WHAT I HEAR FROM A YOUNG AGE IS
BASKETBALL IS A GAME OF RUNS.
IT'S ABOUT HOW MANY RUNS CAN
YOUR TEAM MAKE, WHO HAS THE
LONGEST RUN IN TERMS OF THE
SCORING.
SO IF YOU GO ON A TEAM LIKE
GOLDEN STATE WHO USUALLY HAS A
REALLY, REALLY GOOD THIRD
QUARTER.
NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO AT HALF
TIME, THEY USUALLY GO ON A HUGE
SCORING RUN THAT PUTS THEM IN A
POSITION TO WIN THE GAME.
THOSE TEAMS THAT GO ON LONG
RUNS, THOSE TEAMS ARE ABLE TO BE
SUCCESSFUL IN THIS LEAGUE.
THAT'S WHY THE RAPTORS SO FAR
HAVE BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL.
THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUT
TOGETHER DEFENSIVE STOPS AND
TURN THEM INTO OFFENCE.
I THINK FOR ME, BEING ABLE TO
PLAY A SUPPORT LIKE BASKETBALL,
WHY IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO WIN IS
I CAN MAKE ONE MISTAKE AND I CAN
GO BACK AND GET IT ON THE OTHER
END.
WHEREAS HOCKEY, I CAN LEAD TO A
MISTAKE THAT LEADS TO A GOAL BUT
I CAN'T MAKE UP FOR IT BY
SCORING A GOAL.
THAT'S WHERE IT GETS DIFFICULT.
I THINK TRYING TO SCORE THOSE
MANY POINTS BUT ALSO COME
DEFENSIVELY STOPS AND MAKE THOSE
ADJUSTMENTS AS SOON AS THEY
ARE... IN FOOTBALL YOU GET TO
STOP EVERY POSSESSION AND SAY
HERE'S OUR STRATEGY FOR THE NEXT
PLAY.
YOU DON'T GET A TON OF
STOPPAGES.
HOW DO YOU ADJUST TO WIN A
BASKETBALL GAME AS IT'S GOING
THAT QUICKLY?

The caption changes to "Connect with us: Twitter: @theagenda; Facebook, agendaconnect@tvo.org, Instagram."

Steve says GOTCHA.
PETER, TALK TO US ABOUT SOME OF
THE INTANGIBLES.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE GOLDEN STATE
WARRIORS RIGHT NOW ARE DEALING
WITH SOME VERY, VERY SERIOUS
INJURIES TO SOME VERY KEY
PERSONNEL.
THAT'S A BREAK FOR THE RAPTORS
BUT IT'S NOTHING THEY COULD HAVE
PLANNED FOR OR COUNTED ON, RIGHT?

The caption changes to "Peter Jensen. Author, 'Thriving in a 24/7 world.'"

Peter says NO, AND YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO
COUNT ON THAT IF YOU'RE THE
RAPTORS.
OBVIOUSLY, AS COACH SAID, YOU'RE
GOING TO FOCUS ON THE THINGS
YOU'RE GOING TO DO AND THE
THINGS YOU NEED TO DO.
TO ADD TO KIA'S POINT,
BASKETBALL IS ABOUT TRYING TO DO
THE RIGHT THINGS AND FOOTBALL IS
ABOUT TRYING TO DO IT RIGHT.
THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT.
BASKETBALL MUST HAVE HIGH IQ OF
THE PLAYERS.
THE PLAYERS MAKE ALL THE
DECISIONS IN THAT GAME.
IN BASKETBALL, ONE PLAYER CAN
MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
NOT SO MUCH SO IN HOCKEY OR IN FOOTBALL.

Steve says YEAH, TOM, I MEAN,
WE SEE THIS ALL THE TIME WHERE A
COACH WILL CALL A PLAY ON THE
SIDELINES.
ONCE THE BALL IS INBOUNDED, HOW
MUCH INFLUENCE ARE YOU REALLY
HAVING OVER WHAT'S GOING ON ON
THE FLOOR?

Tom says HOPEFULLY IF YOUR EXECUTION
IS GOOD, IF YOU SET A GOOD
SCREEN SAY ON THE PICK AND ROLL
AND YOU COME OFF, YOU PRACTICE
THE OUTCOME OF THAT IN THE SENSE
THAT YOU READ YOUR OPTIONS.
DOES THE DEFENDER STEP UP AND
SWITCH?
DOES HE TRY TO SHOW?
DOES HE TRY TO GO UNDER?
AND BY MAKING THE READS AND
PRACTISING THOSE READS OVER AND
OVER AGAIN, YOU'RE ALMOST ON
AUTOMATIC IN TERMS OF WHERE
YOU'RE LOOKING.
SPOTUPS NOW IN THE NBA IN TERMS
OF WHERE PLAYERS ARE POSITIONED
ARE STATIONARY, WITH THE IDEA
THAT IF I'M A BALL HANDLER AND
I'M GOING TO COME OFF ON A PLAY,
I CANNOT EVEN LOOK AT WHERE I'M
THROWING THE BALL.
I KIND OF KNOW WHERE I'M GOING.
ALL I HAVE TO DO IS READ THE
DEFENDER ON THE PLAY AND THAT
DICTATES WHERE I'M GOING TO GO
IN TERMS OF HOW I'M GOING TO
PERFORM ON THE PLAY.
THOSE ARE THINGS YOU PRACTICE A
LOT AND REP IT, YOU WATCH IT ON
FILM.
THE ANALYTICS THAT GO INTO IT
WILL DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT YOU
NEED TO DO.

Steve says LET ME FOLLOW UP
WITH CHERI.
THAT'S A WORD WE HEAR ALL THE
TIME, ANALYTICS.
WHAT ROLE DID THE RAPTORS HAVE
IN OUR ADVANCEMENT OF BASEBALL
ANALYTICS OVER THE LAST FIVE OR
SIX YEARS?

Cheri says BASKETBALL.

Steve says BASKETBALL.

The caption changes to "A game analytics."

Cheri says THE RAPTORS WERE REALLY
INSTRUMENTAL.
THIS ANALYTICS MOVEMENT, EVEN
THOUGH WE FEEL IT'S COMMON
PRACTICE IN SPORT AND THERE'S
BEEN GREAT ADVANCEMENTS THROUGH
MIT, ET CETERA, BUT REALLY ONLY
THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WHETHER
WE'RE TALKING THE BUSINESS OR IN
THIS CASE THE TEAM SIDE OF SPORT
OPERATIONS, REALLY HAVE WE EVEN
ANALYTICS AND TECHNOLOGY TAKE
OFF AND EMERGE AND BE EMBRACED
IN THE WAY IT IS SO BROADLY
TODAY.
AND THE RAPTORS, IN ABOUT 2013,
AND GRANT WROTE AN EXCELLENT
PIECE ON IT, IF ANYONE WANTS TO
REFERENCE IT.

Steve says SPORTS WEBSITE.

Cheri says RIGHT.
CAME IN AND SPENT TIME WITH THE
RAPTORS.
I THINK THOSE DAYS ARE OVER IN
TERMS OF OPENING UP OUR BOOKS.
HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THE APPROACH TO THE OPENNESS OF
THE DATA IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT
BECAUSE OF THE COMPETITIVE
NATURE.
BUT THE RAPTORS IN PARTICULAR
EMBRACED A TECHNOLOGY CALLED
SPORT VIEW WHICH AT THAT TIME
WAS REALLY JUST IN A HANDFUL OF
NBA TEAMS DID THIS.
THEY IMPLEMENTED THIS TECHNOLOGY
IN THE VENUES WHERE THEY TRACKED
EVERY SHOT, BOTH OF THEIR TEAM
AND OF THEIR OPPONENT.
THEY COULD LOOK AT OFFENSIVELY
AND DEFENSIVELY WHERE AND HOW
SHOTS ARE BEING MADE.
IF YOU LOOK AT... IN A LOT OF
THE GROUNDBREAKING WORK WE'VE
DONE REALLY BY GEOGRAPHY, MAJORS
AND GOLDSBURY EARLY ON TO BREAK
DOWN THE MATH THAT WAY, THE
RAPTORS WERE INFLUENTIAL IN
EMBRACING IT AND TALKING ABOUT
IT.
OBVIOUSLY THE TECHNOLOGY HAS
GOTTEN COMPLETELY SOPHISTICATED
TODAY IN A MUCH DEEPER WAY.
THEY REALLY WERE ONE OF THE
PIONEERS IN EMBRACING THIS
TECHNOLOGY AND OPENLY TALKING
ABOUT LET'S PUT IT IN THE ARENAS
AND USE IT IN A NUMBER OF
TECHNIQUES.

Steve says THE CONVENTIONAL
WISDOM IS BASEBALL IS THE SPORT
THAT LOVES ANALYTICS THE MOST
AND THERE ARE A MILLION
DIFFERENT STATISTICS AND THINGS
YOU CAN MEASURE IN BASEBALL
WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT'S
PROBABLY TRUE.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE
DIFFERENCE IS IN TERMS OF THE
INFLUENCE OF ANALYTICS ON
BASEBALL VERSUS HOCKEY VERSUS
FOOTBALL VERSUS BASKETBALL?

Cheri says I THINK WE ALL KNOW IT'S A
CONVERSATION WE SEE IN THIS
COUNTRY.
HOCKEY IS CONSIDERED A LATE
ADOPTER IN THAT SPACE.
WE KNOW WHEN KYLE WAS HIRED BY
THE TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS, THAT
CONVERSATION IN THIS COUNTRY
ABOUT DATA HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN
THAT WAY.

Steve says HE'S THE
30-SOMETHING GENERAL MANAGER OF
THE LEAFS WHO WAS BROUGHT IN TO
BE THE SMARTYPANTS GUY.

Cheri says THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT CONVERSATION COULD NEVER
HAPPEN IN THAT WAY IN THIS
COUNTRY IN PARTICULAR.
WHERE I SEE IT DIFFERENT IN
BASKETBALL IS THE ADOPTION OF IT
IN THE WAY THAT PLAYERS ARE NOW
DRAFTED, IN THE WAY THAT PLAYERS
ARE NOW PLAYED AND HOW EVEN WHEN
WE TALK ABOUT KAWHI, I'M SURE
THAT WILL TALK ABOUT LOAD
MANAGEMENT IN THOSE PIECES.
THE MORE NUMBERS YOU CAN
UNDERSTAND AND ATTACH TO YOUR
PLAYER, THEN THE BETTER
DECISIONS YOU CAN MAKE FROM A
SCIENCE PERSPECTIVE ABOUT HOW
YOU DRAFT THEM, HOW YOU WANT TO
TRADE THEM, AND HOW YOU WANT TO
PLAY THEM.

Steve says PETER, HOW MUCH DO
ANALYTICS PLAY INTO THE WORK
THAT YOU TRY TO DO WHICH IS VERY
MUCH FOCUSED ON THE BRAIN?

Peter says WELL, IT PLAYS IN A LOT
BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THE
PLAYERS TO DO IS MAKE CHANGES,
AND ANY TIME YOU ASK A PLAYER TO
MAKE A CHANGE, YOU'RE GOING TO
GET RESISTANCE OF SOME FORM.
AND LEARNING TO BE MORE AWARE
AND DOING SMALL LITTLE THINGS.
I WORKED WITH KIA FOR THREE
YEARS WHEN SHE WAS ON THE
WOMEN'S NATIONAL TEAM AT THE
OLYMPICS IN RIO.
FOR EXAMPLE, ANALYTICS TOLD US
WE WERE SHOOTING 51 percent FROM THE
FOUL LINE AT THE WORLD
CHAMPIONSHIPS.
SO I SPENT SOME TIME THE NEXT
PRACTICE TEACHING THEM A
BREATHING TECHNIQUE TO USE AT
THE FOUL LINE, JUST AS AN
EXAMPLE.
JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF A
SKILL-SET THAT ALLOWS THE
ANALYTICS TO SUPPLEMENT...

Steve says 51 PERCENT FROM THE
FOUL LINE IS NOT GOOD.

Peter says WE NEVER SHOT BELOW
81 PERCENT FROM THAT POINT.

Steve says SO IT DID HAVE A
POSITIVE IMPACT.
TOM, CAN YOU TELL ME, WHEN YOU
TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, INFORMATION
TO PLAYERS THAT COMES AS A
RESULT OF YOUR ANALYTICS
DEPARTMENT CRUNCHING NUMBERS,
HOW OPEN ARE THEY TO USING THAT
INFORMATION TO CHANGE THE WAY
THEY'VE DONE THINGS MAYBE SINCE
THEY WERE KIDS?

Tom says WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU
TRY TO DO AS A COACH IS YOUR
CREDIBILITY IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT PART, AND IF I CAN
ILLUSTRATE TO THEM
MATHEMATICALLY IN SOME WAYS BUT,
MORE IMPORTANTLY, ON VIDEO, AND
SHOW THEM EXACTLY WHERE
INSTANCES ARE ON GAME FILM OR
DURING THE COURSE OF THEIR
BACKGROUND, THAT I CAN MAKE AN
IMPROVEMENT, ALL OF A SUDDEN IN
THEIR MINDS THEY'RE WIDE OPEN.
THEY WANT TO LEARN.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE BETTER
THEY PERFORM, THE MORE THEY GET
PAID.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY I
THINK THAT'S A DRIVING LINE FOR
A LOT OF PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES
IS OBVIOUSLY THEY WANT TO WIN
CHAMPIONSHIPS AND THAT'S NUMBER
ONE AND PARAMOUNT.
BUT THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO
PROVIDE FOR A FAMILY AS WELL.
SO THROUGH THAT AND THROUGH THE
FACT THAT YOU CAN TRAIN THEM TO
BE BETTER PLAYERS, THEY'RE ALL
EARS.
THEY WANT TO LEARN.

The caption changes to "Watch us anytime: tvo.org, Twitter: @theagenda, Facebook Live."

Steve says KIA, CAN YOU GIVE ME
AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE A COACH OR
AN ANALYTICS ADVISOR CAME TO YOU
WITH SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU
DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE WAY YOU
PLAY THE GAME THAT WAS HELPFUL
AND THEREFORE YOU USED IT GOING
FORWARD?

Kia says YEAH, IN CONNECTICUT, WHEN I
FIRST GOT THERE, I WAS REALLY
KNOWN AS A DRIVER.
I WAS SOMEONE WHO COULD GET TO
THE BASKET AT WILL.
BUT MY THREE-POINT SHOT WAS
SOMETHING PEOPLE DECIDED THEY
WERE GOING TO GIVE ME AND ALLOW
ME TO TRY TO MAKE IN FRONT OF
THEM.
WHEN I WAS THERE THE COACHES
MADE SURE THAT I HAD TO CHANGE
MY SHOT A LITTLE BIT, AND I WAS
A LITTLE RELUCTANT TO DO IT
BECAUSE I WAS VERY USED TO THE
WAY THAT I SHOT THE BALL AND I
FIGURED, IF I NEEDED IT, IT
WOULD GO IN.
BUT THEY REALLY ONLY MOVED MY
HAND OVER THE SLIGHTEST BIT,
CHANGED MY SHOULDER AND CHANGED
ONE OF MY FEET TO GO A LITTLE
BIT IN FRONT OF THE OTHER.
FROM THAT POINT ON I BECAME ONE
OF THE MOST LETHAL SHOOTERS THAT
WE HAD IN THE COUNTRY AT THE
TIME.
SO IT'S ALWAYS KIND OF
INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU DON'T...
YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO BE THE WAY
YOU ARE, AND YOU'RE SAYING IF
IT'S NOT BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
BUT IT'S A LITTLE BROKE, WE'VE
GOT TO FIX IT A LITTLE BIT SO
YOU CAN BE MORE CONSISTENT AND
NOW PEOPLE PLAY ME FOR MY
THREE-POINT SHOT MORE THAN THEY
PLAY ME FOR MY DRIVE.
IT WAS A GOOD CHANGE TO HAVE TO
MAKE.

Steve says INTERESTING.
LET ME FOLLOW UP ON THAT WITH
TOM.
WHEN I WAS WATCHING BASKETBALL
AS A KID THE WHOLE IDEA WAS TO
GET THE BALL INSIDE, INTO THE
PAINT, AND AS CLOSE TO THE HOOP
AS POSSIBLE TO GET YOUR SHOT IN.
NOW THERE'S BEEN A MASSIVE
CHANGE IN THE GAME, OVER THE
LAST FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS,
WHERE THE NUMBER OF PLAYERS
TRYING TO TAKE THOSE THREE-POINT
SHOTS FROM OUTSIDE THE ARC THAT
KIA JUST REFERRED TO AS REALLY
GONE UP EXPONENTIALLY AND
APPARENTLY ANALYTICS GETS THE
CREDIT FOR THIS.
HERE'S HOW ONE FORMER NBA PLAYER
FEELS ABOUT THE INFLUENCE OF THE
ANALYTICS ON THE GAME.

A tweet by David West appears on screen.

It reads "STOP LETTING NERDS TELL YOU HOW
TO PLAY BASKETBALL."

Steve says WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO THAT?

Tom says WELL, FIRST OF ALL, ONE OF
THE THINGS YOU TAKE A LOOK AT,
AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE TOP FIVE,
IT'S A DUNK, A FREE THROW,
CORNER THROW IN THE NBA, ARC
THREES AND ANYTHING INSIDE THE
ARC IS JUST NOT A VERY GOOD
SHOT.
THE TORONTO RAPTORS IN THE LAST
GAME TOOK EIGHT SHOTS INSIDE THE
ARC.
PRIMARILY FROM A GUY BY THE NAME
OF KAWHI LEONARD.
WHEN HE HAD DEMAR DEROZAN ON THE
TEAM, HE WAS AN EFFECTIVE
TWO-POINT SHOOTER.
WHAT MADE DeMAR AN EFFICIENT
SHOOTER WAS HOW MANY TIMES HE
WENT TO THE FREE THROW LINE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING IN
TERMS OF HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME.
WHEN DAVID WEST WAS PLAYING IN
THE GAME, WE HAD POWER FORWARDS.
WE HAD SHAQUILLE O'NEAL, PATRICK
EWING.
TODAY WE DON'T.
KEVIN DURANT BEING A 7-FOOTER
WOULD HAVE BEEN PUT ON THE LOW
BLOCK AND TOLD HE HAD TO BE ABLE
TO POST UP NOW IS ON THE
PERIMETER AND HAS THE GUARD
SKILLS OF SOME OF THE BEST
PLAYERS IN OUR LEAGUE.
SO THE LEAGUE HAS CHANGED.
THE RULES HAVE CHANGED.
ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE DICTATED
HOW WE GO AND PLAY A GAME NOW IN
THE NBA.
AND I THINK IT'S EVOLVING.
AND SO WITH THAT, IF YOU DON'T
EVOLVE AND YOU DON'T CHANGE WITH
IT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE LEFT BEHIND.

Steve says PETER, CAN I DO A
FOLLOW-UP ON THAT ISSUE YOU JUST
BROUGHT UP A SECOND AGO,
TEACHING SOME BREATHING
TECHNIQUES TO PLAYERS ON THE
FOUL LINE SO THEY CAN REALLY
FOCUS, BE IN THE MOMENT, AND GET
THOSE SHOTS IN?
HOW DOES THAT WORK INASMUCH AS
YOU'VE GOT 18,000 FANS SCREAMING
AT YOU POTENTIALLY, YOU'VE GOT
ALL THOSE PEOPLE IN THE END ZONE
SEATS WHO ARE WAVING THOSE
THINGS TO DISTRACT YOU.
ARE YOU TELLING US THAT JUST
LEARNING HOW TO BREATHE PROPERLY
CAN OVERCOME ALL OF THOSE
EXTERNAL FORCES?

The caption changes to "Head in the game."

Peter says YES.
[LAUGHTER]
AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WORKS,
YOU SEE?
IF YOU'RE AN EMERGENCY WORKER
AND YOU ARRIVE ON THE SCENE OF A
HORRENDOUS ACCIDENT, WHAT KEEPS
YOU FOCUS?
I USE THE ACRONYM IN SPORT.
BECOME AWARE, BREATHE, AND
CHOOSE WHERE YOU WANT TO PAY
ATTENTION.
THE KEY IS THE MINUTE YOU FOCUS
ON YOUR BREATH, ALL THE OTHER
STUFF FALLS AWAY.
YOUR MIND IS TELLING YOU YOU'VE
GOT TO MAKE THE SHOT, ALL OF
THAT STUFF DISAPPEARS.
YOU CAN ONLY PAY ATTENTION TO
ONE THING AT A TIME.
IF YOU TRULY FOCUS ON THE
BREATH, ONE OR TWO BREATHS,
THAT'S ALL, YOU MOVE TO A PLACE
WHERE YOU HAVE CHOICE.
YOU PUT IN A PAUSE AND INSTEAD
OF REACTING, YOU RESPOND.
VICTOR FRANCO TALKED A LOT ABOUT
THAT, DIDN'T HE?
THE PAUSE BETWEEN THE INITIAL
AND THE ACTION.
THAT'S ACTIVE AWARENESS,
BECOMING AWARE, BECOMING
MINDFUL.
AND KAWHI LEONARD IS A MASTER OF IT.

Steve says HE IS FOR SURE.
KIA YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE ON THE
PROGRAM TONIGHT WHO HAS PROBABLY
BEEN IN THAT SET OF
CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE CLOCK IS
RUNNING DOWN, YOU'VE GOT THE
BALL, EVERYBODY IN THE PLACE
KNOWS YOU'RE EXPECTED TO TAKE
THE SHOT THAT'S EITHER GOING TO
WIN OR LOSE THE GAME.
WHAT'S GOING THROUGH YOUR HEAD
AS THE CLOCK TICKS DOWN AND YOU
HAVE GOT TO MAKE THAT SHOT?

Kia says IT DEPENDS ON THE DAY.
BUT I WOULD SAY OBVIOUSLY I HAVE
WORKED WITH PETER BEFORE SO THE
BREATHING TECHNIQUE IS SOMETHING
THAT'S EASY TO USE.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES
ON AROUND YOU.
YOU HEAR ALL THE NOISES.
IN YOUR OWN HEAD YOU'RE THINKING
"I'VE GOT TO MAKE THIS SO MY
TEAM WINS.
I DON'T WANT TO LET PEOPLE
DOWN."
AS YOU GET OLDER AND THE MORE
YOU BECOME PART OF THE GAME, YOU
LEARN TO BE MORE CONFIDENT IN
YOURSELF.
EVERY TIME I GET TO THE FREE
THROW LINE NOW, I'M THINKING
THIS IS A FREE POINT.
THIS IS THE EASIEST THING I CAN
DO THE ENTIRE GAME.
I'VE MADE IT A MILLION TIMES IN
THE GYM BY MYSELF.
I CAN MAKE IT HERE.
PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSERS IN THE
GAME NOWADAYS, THEY LOOK AT IT
AS THIS IS A LAYUP.
PEOPLE THAT MISS FREE THROWS IN
THE NBA, I'M DUMBFOUNDED BY IT.
IT'S A LAYUP FOR EVERYBODY.
IT ALLOWS THEM TO BE AS CLUTCH
AS THEY ARE, AS CALM AND COOL
AND COLLECTED AS THEY ARE
BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO KEEP
THEIR FOCUS IN ONE PLACE, AS
PETER SAID, AND THAT ALLOWS YOU
TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN YOUR OWN WAY.

Steve says WHAT'S YOUR FREE
THROW PERCENTAGE RIGHT NOW?

Kia says 91.

Steve says 91.
NOT RICK BERRY BUT PRETTY GOOD.

Kia says I'VE MISSED TWO.

Steve says THAT'S OUTSTANDING.
CHERI, TELL US HOW TECHNOLOGY
HELPS THE MIND SET OF AN ATHLETE
WHEN THEY NEED IT MOST?

Cheri says WE CAN SEE THAT MANIFESTED IN
A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS.
WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AT
RYERSON IS THE STARTUP
ECOSYSTEM.
I TEND TO SPEAK TO IT FROM SOME
OF THE TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE SEE,
THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AND SOME
OF THE COMPANIES.
AS PETER SAID, THERE ARE SOME
SPECIFIC APPLICATIONS AND APPS
THAT ATHLETES ARE NOW USING AND
ADOPTING IN THIS COUNTRY.
WE HAVE SOME GREAT STORIES IN
TERMS OF A COMPANY LIKE CONDUCT
OR A COMPANY LIKE PUSH WHO ARE
WORKING WITH ATHLETES AND
TRAINERS AND THEIR RESPECTIVE
TEAMS AND THE TEAM GUIDES TO
REALLY HELP THEM UNDERSTAND FROM
BOTH A TRAINING IN-GAME
PERFORMANCE PERSPECTIVE,
UNDERSTAND THEIR PERCENTAGES AND
UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN TAKE
THOSE SHOTS BETTER AND
UNDERSTAND... SO REALLY THE
WHOLE ATHLETE NOW IS... SPORT IS
ALL-IN IN ADOPTING TECHNOLOGY
BOTH ON THE PLAYER AND ON THE
BUSINESS SIDE.

Steve says TOM, I'M CURIOUS
ABOUT... I HARKEN BACK TO THE
BASEBALL PLAYER YOGI BERRA WHO
SAID 90 percent OF THE GAME IS MENTAL.
ESSENTIALLY DON'T THINK TOO MUCH
AND DON'T LET YOUR HEAD RUIN
YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A GREAT
PLAY.
HOW DO YOU TEACH PLAYERS, WHO
ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD AT
WHAT THEY DO, NOT TO GET TOO
MUCH INSIDE THEIR HEAD SO THEY
DON'T MISS THE BIG MOMENT?

Tom says I THINK YOU... IN TALKING
ABOUT FREE THROW SHOOTING, I
THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING YOU
TALKED ABOUT THE BREATHING AND
THE PAUSE.
WE TRY TO HAVE EVERY PLAYER HAVE
A ROUTINE.
YOU WALK TO THE FOUL LINE, YOU
PUT YOUR FOOT AT THE SAME SPOT,
YOU TAKE THE SAME NUMBER OF
DRIBBLES.
THAT BREATH MAY COME IN THERE
WHEREVER YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE.
I AGREE A LOT WITH WHAT PETER IS
SAYING IN TERMS OF STAYING IN
THE MOMENT.
I KNOW IN TIME-OUTS WE'LL TALK
TO PLAYERS ABOUT STAY IN THE
MOMENT.
FOCUS IN ON THE THINGS WE
CONTROL.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MAKING
SHOTS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS IS
THE SHOT WE NEED.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GET THE BEST
AVAILABLE SHOT THAT YOU CAN.
BECAUSE OF THAT I THINK IT PUTS
PLAYERS' MINDS AT EASE.
YOU MAY RUN A PLAY AND KAWHI
LEONARD MAY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
MAKING THE PLAY.
HE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO
SHOOT IT ALL THE TIME.
YOU HAVE TO TRUST THROUGH
PRACTICE AND REPETITION YOU'RE
GOING TO COME OUT WITH A
POSITIVE OUTCOME.
ANALYTICS CAN ONLY TAKE YOU SO
FAR.
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I
ACTUALLY BROUGHT ONE OF MY OLD
PLAYOFF BOOKS WITH ME JUST TO
REMIND MYSELF A LITTLE BIT OF
WHAT WE DEVELOPED IN TORONTO IN
TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO BE ABLE
TO MAKE THE GAME EASIER FOR THE
PLAYERS.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM
THIS ENTIRE BOOK OF INFORMATION.
YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THE
PIECES AND THE THINGS THEY NEED
TO KNOW FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL
MATCHUP AND FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL
PLAY.

Steve says PETER, DO PLAYERS
THINK TOO MUCH AND CAN THAT GET
IN THE WAY OF THEIR SUCCESS?

Peter says OH, THINKING TOO MUCH IN
ANYTHING CAN GET IN THE WAY OF
YOUR SUCCESS.
YOU WANT TO BE UNCONSCIOUSLY
CONFIDENT, WHICH IS WHY YOU TAKE
YOUR ATHLETES THROUGH SO MANY
DRILLS.
YOU TALKED BEAUTIFULLY ABOUT THE
PICK AND ROLL.
YOU DO IT SO MANY TIMES.
YOU SIMULATE.
IN THE WOMEN'S TEAM, AT THE END
OF THE PRACTICE, WE DO A THING
CALLED SHOOT FOR CASH.
AND IT'S A SHOT FROM CENTRE,
CENTRE COURT, AND I WOULD
ACTUALLY TAPE MONEY ON THE FLOOR
AND THE PLAYERS COULD... AND
THEN I PUT IN A QUALIFYING
ROUND, WHICH KIA DIDN'T LIKE AT
ALL, WHERE YOU HAD TO GO... YOU
HAD TO GO SHOOT FOUL SHOTS IN
ORDER TO QUALIFY TO SHOOT FOR
THE CASH.
BUT IT'S JUST TO SIMULATE AND
PUT A LITTLE PRESSURE ON IT,
JUST TO HAVE FUN, RIGHT?
BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY'RE
LEARNING AND ADAPTING A
SKILL-SET, RIGHT?

Steve says KIA, ONE OF THE
INTERESTING THINGS I'VE LEARNED
ABOUT NBA PLAYER IS NOT EVERY
ONE OF THEM, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE
THE BEST IN THE WORLD, NOT
EVERYONE WANTS THE BALL IN HIS
OR HER HANDS WITH TIME COUNTING
DOWN AND ONE SHOT LEFT TO WIN
THE GAME.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
THE PLAYER WHO WANTS TO TAKE
THAT SHOT AND THE PLAYER WHO
DOESN'T WANT TO BE ANYWHERE NEAR
THE BALL WHEN THAT SHOT GOES DOWN?

Kia says PART OF IT IS THE ROLE YOU
PLAY ON THE TEAM.
I THINK YOU COULD LOOK AT EVERY
SINGLE TEAM IN THE NBA AND IF
YOU'RE WATCHING A GAME, YOU KNEW
EXACTLY WHO WANTS TO TAKE THE
SHOT AT THE LAST SECOND AND YOU
KNOW EXACTLY WHICH TEAM WANTS
THAT PERSON TO TAKE IT.
I MEAN, I PLAY ON A TEAM THAT
HAS A TON OF INCREDIBLE PLAYERS.
BUT WE KNOW AT THE END OF THE
DAY TINA CHARLES IS PROBABLY
GOING TO TAKE THAT LAST SHOT WE
KNOW HER PERCENTAGE, HER
CONFIDENCE, HER ABILITY TO DO IT
IS WHAT WE PUT OUR TRUST IN.
YOU HAVE TO GAIN THE TRUST IN
YOUR TEAMMATES.
IT STARTS THE MOMENT YOU GET
INTO THE TRAINING CAMPS OR THE
MOMENT YOU GET INTO WORKOUTS
WITH YOUR TEAMMATES, THAT'S WHEN
YOU PICK OUT WHO WANTS THAT
MOMENT AND WHO DOESN'T.
PART OF IT IS INNATE, IF YOU'RE
GROWING UP AS A COMPETITOR WHO
WANTS TO GET IT DONE.
IF YOU GO INTO EVERY GAME WITH
THE CONFIDENCE YOU WANT, EVERY
GAME KNOWING THAT THE PERSON IN
FRONT OF YOU IS GOING TO MAKE
PLAYS, THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE
SHOTS AND TOUGH DEFENSIVE PLAYS,
BUT I CAN COUNTER IT AND DO
SOMETHING FOR IT, I WILL TAKE
THAT SHOT.
I LOVE A LEADER WHO SAYS GIVE ME
THE BALL AT THE END OF THE SHOT
CLOCK, WE'LL BE ALL RIGHT.

Steve says TELL ME ABOUT CHEMISTRY.
I'VE SEEN NEW YORK YANKEES TEAMS
WHERE ALL THE PLAYERS HATED EACH
OTHER, THEY HATED REGGIE
JACKSON, THEY HATED THEIR
MANAGER AND THEY WON AND WON AND
WON.
OR THE TORONTO ARGONAUTS WHO
LOVED EACH OTHER SO MUCH, I
REMEMBER DOING POST-GAME
INTERVIEWS, AND ONE PLAYER BROKE
DOWN AND CRIED BECAUSE HE LOVED
HIS TEAMMATES SO MUCH AND WERE
SO HAPPY THEY WERE ALL GOING TO
SHARE THIS.
IN YOUR VIEW, WHAT'S A BETTER
TEAM CHEMISTRY?

Tom says I THINK IT DEPENDS.
FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU MAKE THE
NO. 1 PRIORITY THAT YOU HAVE IN
A TEAM ABOUT WINNING, THEN
YOU'RE ALL GOING TO MAKE THE
RIGHT DECISIONS.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE EACH OTHER.
I'VE BEEN 27 YEARS IN THE NBA
AND I'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF
EVERYTHING, FROM CHEMISTRY
TEAMS... PAT WILLIAMS, WHO WAS
THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR THE
ORLANDO MAGIC FOR THE LONGEST
TIME TALKED ABOUT HOW HARD IT
WAS TO ACHIEVE THAT.
YOU TRY TO DO THINGS TO
CULTIVATE THAT.
YOU TRY TO POSITION PLAYERS IN
THE LOCKER ROOM, WHERE THEY SIT,
JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM TO
INTERACT.
THERE ARE TWO PLAYERS WHO DIDN'T
NECESSARILY INTERACT WELL,
YOU'RE STILL GOING TO PUT THEM
TOGETHER BECAUSE ULTIMATELY YOU
WANT TO BREAK DOWN THE BARRIERS
THAT CAN CAUSE YOU NOT TO BE
SUCCESSFUL.
THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO TO
TRY TO CONTROL THAT.
ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY
IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER
YOU LIKE EACH OTHER OR NOT, AS
LONG AS WINNING IS YOUR ULTIMATE
GOAL.

Steve says NOW, AS WE SIT HERE
TAPING THIS IN OUR LAST MINUTE
AND A HALF, WE DON'T KNOW THE
OUTCOME OF GAME 5.
TELL ME, IF THE RAPTORS WIN IT
ALL, WHY WOULD THEY HAVE WON IT ALL?

Tom says ME?
I'LL GO.

Steve says GO, TOM.

Tom says I THINK BECAUSE THEY'RE
PLAYING HARDER.
I THINK THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY
PLAYING HARDER.
THE PACE OF THE PLAY, THE FACT
THEY'RE GETTING BACK
TRANSITIONALLY IN DEFENCE AND
TAKING AWAY THE STRENGTH OF THE
GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS, AT THE
END OF THE DAY THEY'RE PLAYING
HARDER AT THE DEFENSIVE END.
THOSE THREE THINGS ARE THE KEY
ELEMENTS TO WHY THE TORONTO
RAPTORS WILL BE WORLD CHAMPIONS
IN 2019.

The caption changes to "Practice, practice, practice."

Steve says KIA, HOW ABOUT YOU?

Kia says I WOULD SAY PLAYING HARD IS A
HUGE PART OF IT AS WELL.
BUT THEY ARE PLAYING TOGETHER.
THEY'RE A TEAM THAT IS NOT FULL
OF A MILLION SUPERSTAR NAMES
LIKE THE GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS.
THEY MAKE WHAT THEY DO WELL,
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM, THEY
PLAY TO THEIR STRENGTHS AND PLAY
TOGETHER AND THAT'S SPECIAL
ABOUT THEM AS WELL.

Steve says PETER?

Peter says I THINK THEY'RE PLAYING IN
THE MOMENT.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING AHEAD OF
THEMSELVES, YOU KNOW?
THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.

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Steve says KYLE AND KAWHI ARE
SO CALM.
THEY DON'T CELEBRATE TOO MUCH
WHEN THEY WIN.
CHERI, THE LAST WORD?

Cheri says IT'S A COMBINATION OF ALL THE
THINGS ALL THE GUESTS HAVE
SPOKEN ABOUT AS WELL.
IT'S A PERFECT MOMENT AND I
THINK WE FEEL IT IF WE'RE IN THE
STREET THAT THERE'S THAT
INTANGIBLE LIFT THAT THIS CITY
AND THIS COUNTRY IS GIVING THEM
THAT WE CAN FACTOR INTO ANOTHER SHOW.

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Steve says WE ARE ALL EXCITEDLY
ANTICIPATING THE EXPLOSION TO COME.
LET'S HOPE IT'S ALL WONDERFUL.
THANK YOU TO OUR GUESTS.
GOOD OF ALL OF YOU TO COME ON TVO TONIGHT.
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP ON THIS GREAT TOPIC.

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All the guests say THANK YOU.

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