Transcript: The Agenda's Week in Review | May 03, 2019

Steve stands in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a black suit, white shirt, and black tie.
A wall screen behind him reads "The week in review."

Steve says "THE AGENDA" THIS WEEK
DEBATED CANADIAN CONTENT RULES;
LOOKED FOR IDEAS TO IMPROVE
DEMOCRATIC POLITICS; QUESTIONED
FACEBOOK CANADA ON PLANS TO KEEP
THINGS CLEAN AHEAD OF THIS
YEAR'S FEDERAL ELECTION; AND
ASSESSED THE IMPACT OF CHILDREN
ON THE PAY EQUITY GAP.
THE AGENDA'S WEEK IN REVIEW
BEGINS WITH RISING FLOOD WATERS
IN ONTARIO.

Music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve sits with five guests.
A caption reads "Ontario under water. Facing the floods."

Steve says YOUR WORSHIP, DO YOU
WANT TO TELL US WHAT YOU WENT
THROUGH A COUPLE YEARS AGO?

The caption changes to "Drew Dilkens. Mayor of Windsor."

Drew is in his late forties, clean-shaven and bald. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and plaid tie.

He says YEAH, IT WASN'T PLEASANT.
IT REALLY GOES BACK TO 2010, TWO
BIG EVENTS IN THE CITY OF
WINDSOR, AROUND 90 MILLIMETRES
OF RAINFALL, VERY INTENSE AMOUNT
OF RAINFALL, CAUSED PROBABLY A
THOUSAND HOMES TO FLOOD.
AND THE CITY REACTED IN SOME
VERY DIRECT WAYS AFTER THAT, BUT
THEN AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD
2016 WE SEE 190 MILLIMETRES OF
RAINFALL.
AGAIN, OVER A VERY SHORT PERIOD
OR A VERY PROLONGED PERIOD OF
TIME, BUT THE IMPACT WAS ABOUT
2800 BASEMENTS FLOODING IN THE
CITY OF WINDSOR.
FOLLOWED BY, AS GLENN MENTIONED,
LESS THAN A YEAR LATER, THE
LARGEST FLOOD IN THE CITY'S
HISTORY, 220 MILLIMETRES OF RAIN
AFFECTED OVER 6600 HOMEOWNERS
AND CAUSED ABOUT 175 MILLION dollars IN LOSS IN THE CITY OF WINDSOR.
SO QUITE DRAMATIC TO SEE THAT
AMOUNT OF GARBAGE OUT ON THE
STREET, PEOPLE JUST HAVING TO
EMPTY THEIR BASEMENTS.
REALLY DISRUPTING LIVES AND,
I'LL TELL YOU, WE WERE TRYING TO
BRING GARBAGE TRUCKS ALL THE WAY
FROM NORTH BAY TO HELP MOVE THE
GARBAGE, TRYING TO BRING THEM IN
FROM THE UNITED STATES, BUT
THERE WAS A HURRICANE DOWN IN
TEXAS, SO WE WERE TRYING TO GET
RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE
SAW IN THE STREET, BUT QUITE
CATASTROPHIC IN THE CITY OF
WINDSOR AND CERTAINLY WE'RE AS
FLAT AS A PANCAKE AND SURROUNDED
BY WATER, SO WE GET SCARED ABOUT
PROLONGED RAINSTORMS, BUT ALSO
HIGH LAKE LEVELS AS WELL.

Steve says HOW IS IT RIGHT NOW?

Drew says RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A FLOOD
WATCH IN EFFECT, AND SO PEOPLE
ARE SCARED.
THESE TYPES OF EVENTS PLAY ON
PEOPLE'S PSYCHE, AND THAT'S ONE
THING WE HAVE TO REMEMBER.
IT'S NOT JUST ONE SORT OF
EXTREME WEATHER EVENT AND IT
GOES AWAY AND EVERYONE MOVES ON
WITH THEIR LIFE.
IT DOES HAVE A LASTING IMPACT ON
PEOPLE, AND CERTAINLY AS A
MAYOR, AS A LOCAL POLITICIAN,
YOU WANT TO HELP.
YOU'RE THERE TO HELP THE
RESIDENTS, AND THIS IS JUST ONE
TYPE OF EVENT WHERE YOU HAVE
VERY LITTLE WITHIN YOUR CONTROL
THAT YOU CAN DO, BUT WE'VE DONE
EVERYTHING WE CAN DO.
WE THANK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
RECENTLY CAME DOWN LAST WEEK.
WE PUT TOGETHER A 90 MILLION dollar PART OF OUR SEWER MASTER PLAN, A
90 MILLION dollars FIRST PHASE.
THEY CAME DOWN AND FUNDED A
THIRD OF THAT, SO WE'RE
COMMITTED TO TRYING TO MAKE THE
IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE,
BUT WE'RE ALSO COGNIZANT OF THE
FACT THAT OUR SEWER SYSTEM IN
TOTALITY IS ABOUT 700
KILOMETRES LONG, AND SO FOR
PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULD BE LIKE
DRIVING FROM WINDSOR TO ORLANDO.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
IT TOOK 100 YEARS TO BUILD THE
SYSTEM.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE MANY DECADES
TO IMPROVE IT.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Steve says WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS ONE IS
OVER ABOUT THE SEWERS.
THERE'S A LOT MORE TO TALK ABOUT
THERE AS WELL.
ANDREA, HOW EASY IS IT FOR
SOMEONE TO FIND OUT IF THEY LIVE
IN AN AREA THAT'S PRONE TO
FLOODING BEFORE THEY MOVE INTO
AN AREA THAT'S PRONE TO
FLOODING?

The caption changes to "Andrea Minano. University of Waterloo."
Then, it changes again to "Mapping flood zones."

Andrea is in her twenties, with long straight brown hair with highlights. She's wearing rounded glasses, a beige sweater and a black shirt.

She says YEAH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A
GREAT QUESTION, AND IT'S... YOU
KNOW, WHAT YOU HEAR A LOT OF THE
TIMES IS WHAT MATT IS
EXPERIENCING OF FIGURING THIS
OUT AFTER THERE IS WATER IN HIS
BASEMENT OR IN HIS HOUSE AND HE
IS GETTING FLOODED AND THEN
FIGURING OUT THAT HIS INSURANCE
POLICY DOES NOT COVER FLOODING
AND FLOOD REPAIRS.
IT'S A LOT EASIER WHEN YOU HAVE
THIS ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT
WILL HELP YOU KIND OF RECOVER
OUT OF THAT SITUATION.
BUT WE DID A STUDY ACROSS
CANADA, WE LOOKED AT 280
MUNICIPALITIES...

Steve says WHO'S WE?

Andrea says WE AS IN MY RESEARCH GROUP AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF WATERLOO,
INCLUDING TWO PROFESSORS THERE.
AND WE WERE INTERESTED IN, LIKE,
FIGURING OUT, OKAY, IF I AM A
CONCERNED CITIZEN AND I LOOK AT
THE NEWS AND I'M BEING TOLD BY
MY GOVERNMENT THAT I SHOULD BE
FLOOD AWARE, THAT I HAVE TO BE
READY, WHAT INFORMATION SHOULD I
FIND?
AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY EASY.
IT'S NOT EASY AND IT'S NOT EASY
IN ONTARIO EITHER,
UNFORTUNATELY.
WE LOOKED AT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE
CITY OF HAMILTON.
YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF
CONSERVATION AUTHORITIES THAT
PUBLISH THEIR FLOOD MAPS ONLINE.
SO DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE IN
THE CITY OF HAMILTON, YOU WOULD
HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHICH
CONSERVATION AUTHORITY YOU FALL
UNDER AND THEN KIND OF LOOK IN
THOSE CHANNELS.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

A guest speaks in the studio.
A caption on screen reads "Fixing our democracy. Do we feel politically represented?"

Then, it changes to "Craig Scott. Osgoode Hall Law School."

Craig is in his fifties, with short gray hair and a stubble. He's wearing glasses, a black suit and a purple shirt.

He says THEY HAVE A VERY REDUCED
SYSTEM FOR LOOKING AT WHETHER
THERE'S A PROBLEM
CONSTITUTIONALLY WITH BILLS, AND
SO IT'S FINE TO SAY, OH, WE
LOOKED AT THIS AND WE THOUGHT
ABOUT IT AND SOMEBODY SAID
CHARTER AND WE STILL VOTED FOR
IT.
THAT DOESN'T...

Steve says HANG ON.
LET ME JUMP IN HERE.

Craig says WE NEED A BETTER SYSTEM.

Steve says WE NEED A BETTER
SYSTEM.
PERFECT SEGUE TO WHERE I WANT TO
GO NOW.
I DON'T WANT THE CLOCK TO GET
AWAY FROM IT HERE.
WHAT IF WE PICKED POLITICIANS A
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY FROM
THE WAY WE DO RIGHT NOW?
ROLL CLIP PLEASE, SHELDON.

A clip plays on screen in which a man wearing a headset microphone speaks.
He's in his fifties, with short gray hair and a trimmed goatee.

He says THE IDEA IS ACTUALLY VERY
SIMPLE.
WE RANDOMLY SELECT PEOPLE AND
PUT THEM IN PARLIAMENT.
LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A FEW
MORE MINUTES, SHALL WE?

A wide-shot shows the man standing on a stage with a sign that reads "TEDx Danubia."

The man continues IMAGINE WE CHOSE YOU AND YOU AND
YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU DOWN
THERE AND A BUNCH OF OTHER
RANDOM PEOPLE, AND WE PUT YOU IN
OUR PARLIAMENT FOR THE NEXT
COUPLE OF YEARS.
OF COURSE WE COULD STRATIFY THE
SELECTION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT
MATCHED THE SOCIO-ECONOMIC AND
DEMOGRAPHIC PROFILE OF THE
COUNTRY AND WAS A TRULY
REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF PEOPLE,
50 percent OF THEM WOULD BE WOMEN.
MANY OF THEM WOULD BE YOUNG.
SOME WOULD BE OLD.
A FEW WOULD BE RICH, BUT MOST OF
THEM WOULD BE ORDINARY PEOPLE
LIKE YOU AND ME.
THIS WOULD BE A MICROCOSM OF
SOCIETY, AND THIS MICROCOSM
WOULD SIMULATE HOW WE WOULD ALL
THINK IF WE HAD THE TIME, THE
INFORMATION AND A GOOD PROCESS
TO COME TO THE MORAL CRUX OF
POLITICAL DECISIONS.
AND ALTHOUGH YOU MAY NOT BE IN
THAT GROUP, SOMEONE OF YOUR AGE,
SOMEONE OF YOUR GENDER, SOMEONE
FROM YOUR LOCATION, AND SOMEONE
WITH YOUR BACKGROUND WOULD BE IN
THAT ROOM.

The clip ends.

Steve says OKAY.
THAT'S A FELLOW NAME BRETT
HENNIG, AND AT A TED TALK IN
HUNGARY.
HE PITCHED THIS IDEA CALLED
SORTITION.
NOT ELECTIONS, SORTITION.
BRITTANY, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

The caption changes to "Brittany Andrew-Amofah. Broadbent Institute."
Then, it changes again to "Democracy without politicians or parties?"

Brittany is in her thirties, with black hair in a bun. She's wearing a short-sleeved black blouse and a golden necklace.

She says WELL, AS SOMEBODY WHO LOVES
IDEAS, NEW IDEAS AROUND
DEMOCRACY, GOVERNANCE, I ENJOYED
THIS, BUT I HAVE QUESTIONS.
I HAVE QUESTIONS AROUND WHAT IF
THOSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO
SERVE.
CAN THEY JUST PASS IT ALONG TO
THE OTHER PERSON?
IS THIS MANDATORY?
HOW DO WE ACCOUNT FOR RACIAL
DIVERSITY?
HE DID MENTION WOMEN, BUT WHAT
ARE THE METRICS AROUND RACIAL
DIVERSITY?
IS IT THE PROPORTION OF...

Steve says LET'S SAY YES.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Brittany says WELL, THEN, RACIALIZED
PEOPLE WILL BE DRASTICALLY
UNDER-REPRESENTED.
I WOULD IMAGINE WITHIN THIS
SAMPLE SIZE THERE MAY BE ONE,
TWO, WHATEVER, NOT THE EXACT NUMBER.

Steve says WHY WOULD THEY BE?

The caption changes to "Brittany Andrew-Amofah, @BrittanyAmofah."

Brittany says IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE
CANADIAN POPULATION AT LARGE AND
THE DEMOGRAPHICS, WOULD THAT
ALLOW FOR THEIR VIEWS TO BE
PERMEATED WITHIN IT?
WHAT ARE THE DYNAMICS OF THIS
RANDOM SELECTION?
IT RAISES QUESTIONS WE NEED TO
GRAPPLE WITH.
EVERY TIME WE THINK ABOUT
DEMOCRACY, WE ALWAYS HAVE THESE
GRAND SWOOPING I GUESS
CATEGORIES OF CANADIANS, OF
PEOPLE, ET CETERA, BUT VERY,
VERY... ACTUALLY NOT OFTEN AT
ALL, WE DON'T ACTUALLY
SPECIFICALLY PINPOINT WHO WE'RE
SPEAKING ABOUT.
SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT DEMOCRACY,
I WANT TO HEAR FROM THOSE WHO
ARE MOST MARGINALIZED, NOT
REPRESENTED IN THIS POLITICAL
SYSTEM.
HOW DO THEY FEEL ABOUT THEIR
REPRESENTATIVE IN DEMOCRACY.

The caption changes to "Connect with us: Twitter: @theagenda; Facebook, agendaconnect@tvo.org, Instagram."

Steve says THE IDEA WOULD BE THIS
COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
WE GOT FIVE MINUTES LEFT HERE.
I WANT TO HEAR JEFFREY SIMPSON
ON THIS.
SORTITION?

The caption changes to "Jeffrey Simpson. University of Ottawa."

Jeffrey is in his late sixties, clean-shaven, with short blond hair. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and striped burgundy tie.

He says ABSOLUTELY CRACK BRAIN IDEA.

Steve says GET OFF THE FENCE.
TELL ME WHAT YOU REALLY THINK.

Jeffrey says NO, GOOD FOR TED TALKS, BUT POLITICS IS COMPLICATED.
THE ISSUES ARE EXTREMELY
COMPLICATED, AND IT SOUNDS
ARROGANT TO SAY THAT A RANDOM
SELECTION OF PEOPLE WOULD MAKE
BETTER DECISIONS THAN THOSE WHO
HAVE STOOD IN ELECTIONS, THOUGHT
ABOUT THE ISSUES, ASKED THEIR
FELLOW CITIZENS FOR SUPPORT,
JOINED A POLITICAL PARTY.
I THINK THAT YOU WOULD GET
PEOPLE... LOOK, IN MY
EXPERIENCE, AND I'VE BEEN AROUND
FOR A WHILE, AND I'M SAYING THIS
KNOWING THAT CRAIG IS WITH US,
I'VE KNOWN HUNDREDS OF MEMBERS
OF PARLIAMENT, AND THEY ARE NO
MORE OR LESS SMART THAN THE
AVERAGE CROSS-SECTION OF
CANADIANS, AND THEY WORK A HELL
OF A LOT HARDER, BY THE WAY,
THAN MOST OF US DO, AND THEY
DON'T DESERVE THE ABUSE THAT WE
SOMETIMES HEAP ON THEM.
AND SO THIS OTHER SCHEME, YOU
HAVE A LARGE CIVIL SERVICE,
RIGHT?
WE'RE FORTUNATE IN CANADA TO
HAVE AN HONEST AND GENERALLY
VERY GOOD CIVIL SERVICE.
WHO'S GOING TO RUN THE CIVIL
SERVICE IN THIS COLLECTION OF
350 PEOPLE?
WHO'S GOING TO DIRECT THE CIVIL
SERVICE?
WHO'S GOING TO OVERSEE THE
ADMINISTRATION OF THE PROGRAMS
ON WHICH WE DEPEND?
WHO'S GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE TAXES GET CUT?
POLITICS IS A DIFFICULT...
GOVERNMENT IS A DIFFICULT
BUSINESS, AND TO ARBITRARILY
PICK PEOPLE OUT OF NOWHERE, EVEN
IF THEY'RE QUOTE UNQUOTE FULLY
REPRESENTATIVE IS A RECIPE FOR CHAOS.

The caption changes to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

Jeffrey says I REMIND YOU THAT SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS AGO POLAND TRIED A
PARLIAMENT JUST LIKE THAT, A
WHOLE BUNCH OF INDIVIDUALS, AND
IT ALL FELL APART AND THE
COUNTRY COLLAPSED.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve sits with a different guest.
A caption on screen reads "Facebook and protecting the federal election. Combatting the problem."

Steve says THERE ARE A LOT OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA
WHO BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE PART OF
THE DEEP STATE.
THEY THINK THAT WE ARE PART OF
THE DEEP STATE.
THEY ARE VERY SUSPICIOUS OF A
LOT OF PLAYERS IN WESTERN
DEMOCRACIES.
AND THEY MAY LOOK AT YOUR
BACKGROUND AND THEY MAY SAY,
HEY, THERE'S A GUY THAT USED TO
WORK FOR THE FEDERAL LIBERAL
PARTY.
USED TO WORK FOR MICHAEL
IGNATIEFF, AND THEY WILL WONDER
WHETHER YOU ARE BRINGING TO THE
CURRENT JOB THAT YOU HAVE, WHICH
IS A NON-PARTISAN ROLE, A
PARTISAN LENS.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM?

The caption changes to "Kevin Chan. Facebook Canada."

Kevin is in his early forties, clean-shaven, with short black hair. He's wearing round black-framed glasses, a black suit and a striped blue shirt.

He says WELL, IT'S SIMPLY NOT
ACCURATE.
I MEAN, I SPENT TWO YEARS
WORKING FOR MICHAEL IGNATIEFF.
HE WAS ACTUALLY MY PROFESSOR,
FROM A LONG TIME AGO, WHICH IS
WHY I ENDED UP WORKING FOR HIM.
IN A CAREER THAT HAS BEEN OVER
15 YEARS.
I SPENT MORE TIME AS A
NON-PARTISAN PUBLIC SERVANT, AND
I WORKED AT MCGILL UNIVERSITY.
AND NOW I'M HERE AT FACEBOOK,
AND I'VE SPENT FOUR AND A HALF
YEARS AT FACEBOOK.
AND I'M... THE TRUTH OF THE
MATTER IS WE ARE A PLATFORM FOR
ALL VOICES.
AND SO IN MY JOB HERE, WE
ACTUALLY NEED TO BE WORKING AND
SUPPORTING ALL POLITICAL
STRIPES, AND THAT'S A VERY
IMPORTANT THING FOR US AND
SOMETHING THAT WE DO AND WE
KEEP... AND WE'RE VERY MINDFUL
OF ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.

The caption changes to "tvo.org/theagenda; agendaconnect@tvo.org."

Steve says HERE'S SOMETHING FROM
THE UNITED KINGDOM, HOUSE OF
COMMONS REPORT CALLED
"DISINFORMATION AND FAKE NEWS."
THIS CAME OUT IN FEBRUARY.
AND THESE WERE SOME FINDINGS
FOLLOWING AN 18-MONTH
INVESTIGATION INTO
DISINFORMATION AND FAKE NEWS...

A quote appears on screen, under the title "Reading the riot act." The quote reads "Facebook has continually hidden behind obfuscation. It continues to choose profit over data security, taking risks in order to prioritise their aim of making money from user data.
It seems clear to us that Facebook acts only when serious breaches become public.
Companies like Facebook should not be allowed to behave like 'digital gangsters' in the online world, considering themselves to be ahead of and beyond the law."
Quoted from the U.K. House of Commons, "Disinformation and 'fake news': Final report". February 14, 2019.

Steve says OKAY, KEVIN, YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?

The caption changes to "Holding social media providers to account."

Kevin says WELL, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY
BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT OUR
POSTURE WITH RESPECT TO
REGULATION AND LEGISLATION.
WE WELCOME IT AND WE TALK ABOUT
AND OUR CEO MARK ZUCKERBERG HAS
BEEN VERY CLEAR IN PARTICULAR IN
THE AREAS OF CONTENT, IN THE
AREA OF PRIVACY, IN THE AREA OF
ELECTIONS AND IN THE AREA OF
DATA PORTABILITY, WE THINK IT IS
ACTUALLY VERY HELPFUL IF
GOVERNMENTS LAY DOWN BASELINE
AND ESTABLISH PROPER FRAMEWORK.
I WOULD SAY, ACTUALLY, THE OTHER
THING, THOUGH, IS THAT IN CANADA
WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING PRETTY WELL
AS A GENERAL STATEMENT ABOUT
WHAT FRAMEWORKS ARE LIKE.
WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A NATIONAL
PRIVACY FRAMEWORK, RIGHT?
WE'VE HAD THIS SINCE 1999 OR
2000.
WE NOW MOST RECENTLY HAVE A NEW
ELECTION LAW, C-76, WHICH
ACTUALLY DOES REGULATE ON-LINE
PLATFORMS AND POLITICAL
ADVERTISING AS IT PERTAINS TO
ELECTIONS.
AND SO IN MANY WAYS I WOULD SAY
WHEN I... IN MY ROLE ON A GLOBAL
POLICY TEAM, LOOKING AT ALL THE
COUNTRIES IN WHICH WE DO
OPERATE, CANADA ALREADY HAS
TAKEN SIGNIFICANT LEADERSHIP IN
ACTUALLY GETTING SOME OF THESE
FRAMEWORKS RIGHT.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Steve says DO YOU FEEL... I MEAN,
LET'S BE HONEST HERE.
MOST PEOPLE I KNOW LOVE
FACEBOOK.
THEY LOVE TO BE ON FACEBOOK.
THEY LOVE SHARING THEIR
PICTURES.
THEY LOVE TELLING THEIR STORIES.
THEY GET A LOT OF NEWS AND
INFORMATION OFF FACEBOOK.
AND MOST MILLENNIALS I KNOW
DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE FACT
THAT YOU HAVE ALL SORTS OF
PERSONAL PRIVATE INFORMATION
ABOUT THEM.
DO YOU THINK YOU'RE A BIT OF A
WHIPPING BOY RIGHT NOW THAT, YOU
KNOW, SOME CRITICS AND MEDIA
JUST LOVE TO HOUND FACEBOOK FOR
WHATEVER REASONS?

The caption changes to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

Kevin says I THINK THAT THE INTERNET
GENERALLY, BUT ALSO FACEBOOK
SPECIFICALLY, HAS GIVEN RISE TO
A LOT OF ISSUES THAT ARE NOT
NECESSARILY NEW ISSUES, ISSUES
THAT ARE KIND OF SEEN THROUGH A
DIFFERENT PRISM BECAUSE THEY ARE
ON THE INTERNET.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT
OF WORK TO DO.
THIS IS SOMETHING... AND WE
CAN'T DO IT ALONE.
OBVIOUSLY WE ARE DOING THINGS.
WE ARE DRASTICALLY CHANGING THE
WAY THE PLATFORM WORKS.
WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE CANADIANS
GREATER TRANSPARENCY IN
POLITICAL ADVERTISING.
WE ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP
PARTNERSHIPS, BUT THE THING IS
WE DO NEED TO WORK WITH MORE
PEOPLE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE
INTEND TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THE
ELECTION, BUT QUITE FRANKLY, WAY
PAST THE ELECTION.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Now a guest speaks in the studio.
A caption on screen reads "Cancon in the era of digital behemoths. Rules, regs, and artistry."

Then, it changes to "Alan Cross. 102.2 The Edge."

Alan is in his mid-fifties, clean-shaven, with short wavy brown hair. He's wearing glasses and a black tee.

He says LET ME JUST SAY THAT
CANADIAN RADIO IS STILL
POWERFUL, PROFITABLE AND
POPULAR.
88 percent OF THE PEOPLE TUNE INTO THE
RADIO IN CANADA EVERY WEEK.
IT'S STILL A VERY VIABLE
INDUSTRY, AND CANCON, DESPITE
ALL THE GRUMBLING IN THE '70S
BECAUSE WE WERE PUTTING OUT SOME
REALLY SUBSTANDARD STUFF, FORCED
TO PLAY THIS NEXT TO THE BEST
ARTISTS IN THE WORLD, CANCON FOR
RADIO HAS BEEN FOR MUSIC HAS
BEEN A WILD SUCCESS.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS EVER
GOING TO SAY THAT WE DON'T NEED
CANCON ON THE RADIO BECAUSE, A,
IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, AND
B THERE'S A TREMENDOUS APPETITE
FOR IT.
WE HAVE A VIBRANT DOMESTIC MUSIC
SCENE THAT... WE HAVE A NUMBER
OF ARTISTS, LOOK AT THE
TRAGICALLY HIP, WERE VERY
SUCCESSFUL AND VERY
PROFITABLE...

Steve says ONLY BECAUSE OF CANCON?

Alan says MAINLY BECAUSE OF CANCON.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT MUCH REACH
OUTSIDE OF OUR BORDERS.
THEN WE HAVE ARTISTS LIKE JUSTIN
BIEBER AND THE WEEKND AND DRAKE
AND SARAH MCLACHLAN AND SHANIA
TWAIN AND CELINE DION.
ALL THESE ARTISTS ARE CANADIAN
WHO HAVE MANAGED TO COME UP
THROUGH OUR SYSTEM AND THEN
BREAK OUT WORLDWIDE.
FOR A COUNTRY OF OUR SIZE AND
OUR POPULATION, NEXT TO THE
UNITED STATES, WE HAVE NO
BUSINESS BEING AS SUCCESSFUL AS
WE ARE ON THE MUSIC STAGE, BUT A
LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR CULTURAL
SUPPORT AND OUR FINANCIAL
SUPPORT.

Steve says BUT I INFER FROM YOUR
COMMENT THAT WITHOUT THE CANCON
REGULATION, REQUIRING
BROADCASTERS TO PLAY X NUMBER OF
MINUTES, HOURS, SONGS,
ET CETERA, YOU DON'T THINK THESE
ARTISTS COULD HAVE BROKEN OUT
OTHERWISE?

Alan says WELL, IT'S TAKEN DECADES FOR
THIS SYSTEM TO COME INTO ITS
OWN, AND I THINK IT WOULD... IF
BROADCASTERS WANTED TO CUT THEIR
CANCON RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT
THEY WOULD HEAR FROM THE
AUDIENCE BECAUSE WE HAVE
DEVELOPED, AS A NATION, A
STRONG, STRONG AFFECTION FOR
HOMEGROWN ARTISTS.
SO WHETHER IT'S 30 percent, 35 percent OR 40 percent,
NOBODY'S COMPLAINING ABOUT IT
ANYMORE.
BECAUSE WE LIKE THEM.
WE DO LIKE THEM.
AND IF YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT'S
NOT OFFERED, WELL THEN NOW WE
HAVE THESE OPTIONS, ON-LINE
OPTIONS, WHICH IS WHERE THINGS
BEGIN TO GET STICKY.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Steve says WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT
THAT STICKINESS HERE.
THE FAANGS, AS THEY'RE CALLED,
FAANGS, FACEBOOK, AMAZON, APPLE,
NETFLIX, GOOGLE.
WANT TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE CLIP
HERE.
THIS IS THE FORMER BROADCASTING
EXECUTIVE WHO WAS ON THIS
PROGRAM NOT TOO LONG AGO,
RICHARD STURSBERG, TALKING ABOUT
THE INFILTRATION INTO CANADA OF
THE FAANGS.

A clip plays on screen with the caption "April 24, 2019. Richard Stursberg."
In the clip, Richard talks in the studio. He's in his sixties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair and rounded glasses.

He says THEY ARE VAMPIRES IN THE
CULTURE IN THE SENSE THAT THEY
COME, THEY SET UP IN CANADA.
THEY DO NOT PAY TAXES IN CANADA.
ALL THE CANADIAN MEDIA COMPANIES
OBVIOUSLY PAY TAXES.
THEY HAVE DRAINED, BETWEEN
FACEBOOK AND AMAZON, THEY HAVE
DRAINED 50 percent OF THE MEDIA
ADVERTISING MARKET OUT OF CANADA
AND REDIRECTED THE MONEY NOW TO
SILICON VALLEY.

Steve says BUT CLEARLY THEY ARE
PROVIDING PEOPLE WHAT THEY
DESPERATELY WANT WHICH IS WHY
THEY ARE SO SUCCESSFUL.

Richard says NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT, AND
THAT'S FINE, BUT THEY SHOULD NOT
BE ABLE TO OPERATE ENJOYING
SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGES THAT NO
CANADIAN COMPANY HAS.
ALL THE CANADIAN COMPANIES PAY
TAX.
THEY RESPECT THE FOREIGN
OWNERSHIP RULES, THEY MAKE
CONTRIBUTIONS TO CANADIAN
CULTURE.
THE FAANGS DO NONE OF THESE
THINGS, SO THEY ARE KIND OF FREE
RIDERS WITHIN THE ECONOMY.

The clip ends.
The caption changes to "Connect with us: Twitter: @theagenda; Facebook, agendaconnect@tvo.org, Instagram."
Then, it changes again to "Why it was needed."

Steve says RICHARD STURSBERG, THE
FORMER BROADCASTING EXECUTIVE.
KATE RIN TATE, THE PRESIDENT OF
THE CEO OF CBC CALLED NETFLIX IN
CANADA CULTURAL IMPERIALISM.
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING OUT THERE
IN THE MEDIA ECO-SPHERE ABOUT
WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO FIX
THIS ISSUE ABOUT THE DIGITAL
GIANTS, IN HIS WORDS, FREE
RIDING IN OUR SYSTEM?

The caption changes to "Susan Krashinsky Robertson. The Globe and Mail."
Then, it changes again to "Why it was needed."

Susan is in her forties, with long wavy brown hair. She's wearing a blue lace dress.

She says WELL, THIS IS A CHORUS THAT
ECHOES ACROSS THE INDUSTRY.
BROADCASTERS, CABLE COMPANIES
HAVE BEEN UP IN ARMS ABOUT THE
FACT THAT THE PLAYING FIELD IS
NO LONGER LEVEL, IN THEIR WORDS,
THAT THEY HAVE ALL THESE
OBLIGATIONS.
TECH GIANTS ARE ABLE TO COMPETE
WITH THEM.
THEY HAVE DEEP POCKETS.
THEY ARE ALREADY SPENDING
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON CONTENT
WHERE CANADIAN BROADCASTERS
DON'T HAVE THOSE KINDS OF
BUDGETS, SO THEY ARE COMPETING
ALREADY WITH UNLEVEL RESOURCES.

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Susan continues AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
HAVING ALSO REQUIREMENTS THAT
AREN'T LEVEL, AND SO YOU SAW IN
FRONT OF THE CRTC JUST LAST WEEK
SAYING THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN AND
IT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY
RE-BUILT.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve sits with different guests.
A caption reads "The cost of children."

Steve says WE'RE JUST GOING TO
SHARE SOME OF THE STATUS FROM
THE RBC ECONOMICS REPORT.
SHELDON, PUT THESE UP IF YOU
WOULD.
HERE WE GO.

A slate appears on screen, with the title "Children and income."

Steve reads data from the slate and says
FOLLOWING THE BIRTH OF A FIRST
CHILD, A WOMAN'S EARNINGS
TYPICALLY DROP BY 48 percent, SOMEWHAT
EXPECTED GIVEN THAT WOMEN
USUALLY TAKE TIME OFF AFTER
CHILDBIRTH.
HOWEVER THAT PENALTY CONTINUES
TYPICALLY FOR FIVE YEARS AFTER
THE BIRTH.
WOMEN BETWEEN THE AGES OF 25 AND
29 EXPERIENCE A FURTHER DROP OF
14 percent, AND HOW ABOUT THIS, WHEN
MEN BECOME FATHERS, THEIR INCOME
INCREASES.
TYPICALLY.
ANYWAYS.
LET'S GET INTO THIS.
WHAT DO THOSE NUMBERS SAY TO
YOU?

The caption changes to "Sarah Molyneaux. Molyneaux Law."
Then, it changes again to "A dip in income."

Sarah is in her early forties, with shoulder-length straight blond hair. She's wearing glasses, a black blazer and a beige blouse.

She says I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THAT
THE PENALTY IS ONLY FIVE YEARS,
TO BE HONEST.

Steve says YOU THOUGHT IT WAS LONGER?

Sarah says I DO THINK THAT IT'S LONGER.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE IS
THAT THE RBC REPORT FOCUSES ON
HOURLY WAGES, NOT ON THE TOTAL
INCOME PICTURE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE MISSING OUT ON
IS WOMEN WHO OPT INTO LESS
LUCRATIVE CAREERS, PART-TIME
WORK, CONTRACT LABOUR.
SO WHERE THE HOURLY RATE ISN'T
THE ENTIRE PICTURE OF WHAT
THEY'RE BRINGING HOME, AND THAT
IMPACT IS A LOT LONGER.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE WOMEN
WHO DROP OUT OF THE WORKFORCE
ENTIRELY, SO I DON'T THINK THOSE
NUMBERS ARE CAPTURED BY THE
REPORT, ALTHOUGH I WOULD BE
HAPPY IF THE IMPACT OF HAVING A
CHILD WAS JUST FIVE YEARS.

Steve says BUT YOUR SENSE IS IT'S
WORSE THAN WHAT'S INDICATED HERE?

Sarah says I THINK SO.
IN MY PRACTICE I SEE A LOT OF
JOB LOSS RELATED TO PREGNANCY
AND CHILD CARE ISSUES AND THE
IMPACT OF THAT SORT OF JOB LOSS
AT THAT STAGE IN YOUR CAREER,
WHICH FOR MOST PARENTS IS EARLY,
RIGHT, IN YOUR 20S OR 30S FOR
THE AVERAGE PARENT, OR THE FIRST
BIRTH OF A CHILD, TO LOSE A JOB
OR SEE A DEMOTION OR HAVE
WORKPLACE CHALLENGES THAT EARLY
IN YOUR CAREER, THE EFFECTS CAN
BE REALLY LONG LASTING.

Steve says MARGARET, YOUR VIEW ON
THOSE NUMBERS?

The caption changes to "Margaret Yap. Ryerson University."

Margaret is in her fifties, with black hair in a bob and bangs. She's wearing glasses, a black blazer and a black shirt.

She says THE PENALTY OF THE FIVE
YEARS, I AGREE WITH SARAH.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE LONGER
BECAUSE A LOT OF THE MOTHERS
WHEN THEY GIVE BIRTH, THEY
USUALLY LIKE TO STAY HOME WITH
THE BABY AND JUST TO GET THEM UP
TO SPEED ON THINGS.
AND SOME FRIENDS I KNOW, THEY
ACTUALLY TAKE LEAVE UNTIL THEY
ARE GROWN UP, BEFORE THEY
RE-ENTER THE JOB MARKET AT THAT
STAGE IT WOULD BE A LOT OF
PENALTY THAT THEY HAVE TO
SUFFER.

Steve says MICHAEL, YOUR TAKE?

The caption changes to "Michael Kaufman. Author, 'The time has come.'"

Michael is in his mid-sixties, clean-shaven, with short wavy gray hair. He's wearing rounded glasses, a black suit and a white shirt.

He says WELL, FOR ME, SEEING NUMBERS
LIKE THAT, IT'S A REAL CALL TO
ACTION.
IT'S SAYING IT'S A PROBLEM.
IT'S RIGHT IN OUR FACES.
WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.
SO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS
THING, THIS DISCREPANCY BETWEEN
MEN DOING BETTER.
YOU KNOW, HOW BECOMING A PARENT
LEADS TO AN INCREASE IN YOUR
PRESTIGE.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE
AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
AND IT'S ONE MORE AREA WHERE
WOMEN ARE PAYING A PENALTY FOR
THE WAYS WE HAVE SET UP OUR
FAMILIES, OUR REGIMES OF CHILD
CARE, LACK OF DAYCARE.
IT REALLY TELLS US WE'VE GOT TO
TAKE ACTION.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Steve says MY SENSE IS THAT
THERE'S A PRETTY DECENT
AWARENESS OUT THERE THE FACT
THAT WOMEN'S INCOMES TAKE A HIT
WHEN THEY HAVE A CHILD.
BUT THE FACT THAT MEN WOULD DO
BETTER, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S
THAT MUCH AWARENESS ABOUT THAT.
DOES THAT SURPRISE YOU?

Michael says I'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE IN
OTHER STUDIES, BUT IN GENERAL IT
IS ONE OF THOSE, REALLY, SORTS
OF NUMBERS.

Steve says HMM.
HOW DO YOU SEE NUMBERS LIKE THIS
REFLECTED TYPICALLY IN THE WORK
THAT YOU DO?

Sarah says RIGHT.
SO I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT
THAT INITIAL DIP ISN'T
SURPRISING AND A LOT OF THAT IS
LINKED TO THE TAKING OF PARENTAL
LEAVE IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE
BIRTH OF A CHILD.
AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE
SEE A LOT OF JOB LOSS AROUND THE
TIME OF PREGNANCY AND THE BIRTH
OF A CHILD, DAYCARE ISSUES ARE A
REAL CHALLENGE FOR PEOPLE IN
MAINTAINING FULL-TIME WORK AND
THE CAREER OF THEIR CHOICE.
BUT THERE'S ALSO DISCRIMINATION
ON THE JOB THAT I THINK AFFECTS
WOMEN'S ABILITY TO EARN AT A
RATE EQUAL TO MEN.

Steve says WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY
DISCRIMINATION ON THE JOB?

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Sarah says RIGHT, SO IT'S EVERYTHING
FROM, YOU KNOW, THE WORKPLACE
JUST NOT BEING SET UP FOR THE
SUCCESS OF WOMEN OR PRIMARY
CAREGIVERS.
SO THINGS LIKE WINING AND DINING
CLIENTS LATE INTO THE NIGHT,
TRAVELLING FOR WORK, OVERTIME
HOURS, NIGHT SHIFTS,
UNPREDICTABLE SHIFT SCHEDULING,
ESPECIALLY FOR LOW-WAGE WORKERS
IS A REAL PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE
YOUNG CHILDREN AT HOME.
IT BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT TO
SUCCEED AND MAKE A GOOD
IMPRESSION ON YOUR EMPLOYER IN
ORDER TO GET PROMOTIONS.
YOU KNOW, ACTUAL DISCRIMINATION,
PEOPLE FEELING THAT MOTHERS ARE
NOT AS CAPABLE, NOT AS
DEDICATED, NOT AS HARD WORKING
BECAUSE THEY MAYBE OCCASIONALLY
HAVE TO STAY HOME WITH A SICK
KID SO YOU SEE A FULL RANGE OF
BEHAVIOUR FROM EMPLOYERS WHEN
YOU HAVE YOUNG PARENTS,
PARTICULARLY YOUNG MOTHERS IN
THE WORKPLACE.

The clips end and Steve stands in the studio alone.

He says AND THAT IS THE
AGENDA'S WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THIS
FRIDAY, MAY 3RD, 2019.
YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THOSE
CONVERSATIONS IN THEIR ENTIRETY
ON OUR WEBSITE AT TVO.ORG, ON
OUR YouTube CHANNEL AT
YOUTUBE.COM/THEAGENDA AND ON OUR
TWITTER FEED: THAT'S
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