Transcript: Ontario Hubs: Urban and Rural Repurposing | Apr 26, 2019

Jeyan sits in the studio. He's is in his thirties, with short black hair and a trimmed beard. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and striped blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "Ontario Hubs: Urban and rural repurposing. Jeyan Jeganathan. @JeyanTVO. @theagenda."

Jeyan says USUALLY WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT GREEN INITIATIVES, THEY'RE
INCENTIVES OR RETROFITS OR
SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
A NEW LOW-TECH BUT HIGH-YIELD
APPROACH THAT'S QUITE DIFFERENT
IS EMERGING, PARTICULARLY IN
EASTERN ONTARIO.
HERE TO EXPLAIN, FROM OUR STUDIO
AT QUEEN'S UNIVERSITY IN
KINGSTON:
OUR EASTERN ONTARIO HUBS EDITOR,
DAVID ROCKNE CORRIGAN.

David is in his thirties, clean-shaven, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit and a burgundy shirt.

Jeyan continues WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

David says HI, JEYAN.

Jeyan says LET'S GO INTO THIS.
WHAT EXACTLY IS THE DE-PAVE
MOVEMENT?

The caption changes to "David Rockne Corrigan. Eastern Ontario Hubs Editor."
Then, it changes again to "Depave movement in full bloom."

David says I'M NOT GOING TO SING THE
SONG FOR YOU BUT A LOT OF OUR
VIEWERS MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE
JONI MITCHELL SONG WHERE SHE
SINGS THEY PAVED PARADISE AND
PUT UP A PARKING LOT.
THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF THAT.

A screenshot from the TVO website pops up showing an article. It reads "tvo.org/current-affairs, Ontario Hubs, On-the-ground analysis of regional issues. Eastern. From parking lot to park: Why Depave Paradise is tearing up asphalt across Ontario. By David Rockne Corrigan."

David continues WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS COMING
TOGETHER TO TEAR UP A PARKING
LOT AND I GUESS RESTORE IT BACK
TO PARADISE.
SO THEY TAKE OLD PARKING LOTS,
SCHOOL YARDS, WE SEE UNUSED
STRETCHES OF ROAD, AND THEY GET
CONVERTED INTO RAIN GARDENS AND
GREENSPACES.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS
STARTED IN PORTLAND, OREGON, AND
IT SPREAD ACROSS THE STATES AND
UP INTO CANADA AND THE FIRST
PROJECT IN CANADA WAS IN 2012,
ACTUALLY HERE IN KINGSTON, AND
OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, MORE
AND MORE PROJECTS HAVE SPROUTED
UP... NO PUN INTENDED THERE...
AND THEY KEEP GROWING, ACTUALLY.
THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE OF THEM
THIS YEAR AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL
EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT OF SOME OF
THE BENEFITS AND, YOU KNOW, IF
ONLY MY GRADE 10 SCIENCE TEACHER
COULD SEE ME NOW.
IF RAIN FALLS IN A FOREST, IT'S
GOING TO BE SOAKED INTO THE
GROUND AND GO BACK INTO THE
WATER STREAM THAT WAY.
IT'S NOT THE CASE IN OUR CITIES
AND PAVED SPACES.
WATER POOLS, AND THEN WHEN IT
DOES WASH AWAY AND STORMWATER,
WE CALL IT, IT PICKS THINGS UP
AS IT PASSES THROUGH THE CITIES:
OIL, GAS, LEAD, COPPER, DOG
DOO-DOO, AND OF COURSE THESE ARE
CONTAMINANTS AND NOT GOOD FOR
OUR WATER.
THIS ALLOWS WATER TO SORT OF BE
FILTERED IN A MORE NATURAL WAY.
THERE'S ALSO... YOU KNOW, IT
ENCOURAGES BRINGING THESE GREEN
SPACES BACK, ENCOURAGE NATIVE
PLANTS AND POLLINATORS TO COME
BACK TO NATURAL HABITATS.
SO THOSE ARE A COUPLE BENEFITS.
ANOTHER BIG ONE, OF COURSE, IS
THE AESTHETICS OF IT ALL.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WON'T DISAGREE
WHEN I SAY THAT PARKS AND
GREENSPACE ARE GENERALLY NICER
TO LOOK AT THAN PARKING LOTS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY
THIS IS CATCHING ON.
IT'S VOLUNTEER-BASED AND, PUN
INTENDED HERE, BUT IT REALLY IS
A GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENT BECAUSE
IT'S BRINGING THESE COMMUNITIES
TOGETHER TO DO GOOD AND TALK
ABOUT THE WATER CYCLE IN OUR
CITIES.

Jeyan says THERE'S A NOTABLE
PROJECT IN PETERBOROUGH.
TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW
ABOUT THAT.

In a picture, a group of seven men and women of different ages work together to lift concrete blocks from the ground as they tear up a parking lot.
In another picture, a toddler plays with a spade.

David says YES.
SO THIS IS A PROJECT THAT
STARTED LAST OCTOBER.
ABOUT 68 VOLUNTEERS GATHERED AT
THE SOUTHERN END OF MILLENNIAL
PARK JUST ON WATER STREET IN
PETERBOROUGH, IF YOU'RE
FAMILIAR, AND THEY TORE UP AN
OLD UNUSED PIECE OF ROAD.
IT ACTUALLY WAS AT ONE POINT AN
ENTRANCE TO A CANADIAN TIRE, AND
A BIG PIECE OF MACHINERY CAME IN
AND CHOPPED IT UP AND THEN THESE
PEOPLE GATHERED AND TOOK IT OUT
WITH THEIR HANDS, SOME TOOLS, OF
COURSE, BUT BASICALLY WITH THEIR
BARE HANDS.
AND AS THEY WERE DOING THAT,
SOME OF THE ORGANIZERS COME
AROUND AND EDUCATE THEM ON, YOU
KNOW, THE IMPACT OF THE PROJECT,
NOT JUST THE BEAUTIFICATION
FACTOR, BUT SOME OF THE IMPACTS
THAT IT, YOU KNOW, CAN HAVE ON
THE ENVIRONMENT, LIKE THE WATER
CYCLE.
IT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST
PROJECTS... ACTUALLY THOUGHT TO
BE THE BIGGEST DE-PAVING PROJECT
OF ITS KIND IN CANADA.
SO TWO WEEKS LATER THEY
RETURNED, PLANTED SOME TREES AND
BUSHES, AND THEY WILL BE BACK
ACTUALLY IN JUNE TO PLANT 1,000
MORE.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PROJECTS
GOING ON IN PETERBOROUGH.
ANOTHER RECENT PROJECT WAS THE
BROCK MISSION, AND I THINK WE
HAVE A BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTO OF
THAT.

A collage of two pictures appears, with one captioned "Before" and the other captioned "After." In the "before" picture, 10 volunteers pose next to a pile of removed concrete slabs. In the "after" picture, an aerial shot shows a small linear garden with grass and plants next to a street.

Jeyan says YES.

David says YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF
ASPHALT THAT THEY PRIED UP AND
THEN YOU CAN SEE THE BIRD'S EYE
VIEW AFTER OF THE RAIN GARDEN
THAT THEY PUT IN.
NOT QUITE AS BIG AS THE STRETCH
OF ROAD OVER NEAR MILLENNIAL
PARK, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS ABOUT
780 SQUARE METRES, ROUGHLY THE
EQUIVALENT OF A HALF OF A HOCKEY
RINK.
SO THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS
THAT PETERBOROUGH IS PROUD OF.
ACTUALLY, THE MILLENNIAL PARK
PROJECT WAS RECENTLY JUST WON AN
AWARD AT THE ONTARIO BUSINESS
IMPROVEMENT ASSOCIATION AWARDS
LAST MONTH.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
PETERBOROUGH AND GREENUP, WHICH
IS THE LOCAL ORGANIZATION, ARE
QUITE PROUD OF.

Jeyan says YOU HAD MENTIONED
THE TWO PROJECTS IN PETERBOROUGH
AND IN EASTERN ONTARIO.
WHAT OTHER PROJECTS ARE THERE
THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT?

David says THERE IS A PROJECT GOING ON
THIS SUMMER IN KINGSTON AT ST.
LAWRENCE COLLEGE.
A BIG PIECE OF UNUSED SPACE
THERE WILL BE DE-PAVED.
THERE'S A COUPLE IN THE WORKS
FOR HAMILTON ON BARTON STREET.
I THINK THE PLAN IS TO DO SOME
STREETSCAPING WITH THE DE-PAVE
AND SORT OF REMOVE SOME PAYMENT
BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND THE
SIDEWALK ALONG THE STRETCH OF
BARTON STREET.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE 13 PROJECTS
IN THE WORKS.
I'VE BEEN TOLD BY SOME OF THE
DE-PAVE PARADISE PEOPLE THAT
MORE ARE BEING ADDED ALL THE
TIME.
SO THERE ARE 13 PROJECTS SLATED
FOR THIS YEAR IN TEN DIFFERENT
COMMUNITIES ALL ACROSS THE
PROVINCE.

Jeyan says NO PAVEMENT IS SAFE
ANYMORE.
NOW, I WANT TO CHANGE GEARS TO A
STORY THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON.
I KNOW WE HAVE SOME FOOTAGE.
I WANT TO GET SHELDON TO ROLL
THAT.
LET'S SEE SOME OF THIS STUFF.

Footage plays of baby goats playing inside a small pen.

Jeyan says NOW, PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK
WE NEED ANY CONTEXT.
THERE ARE GOATS.
THEY ARE CUTE.
THEY ARE ADORABLE.
BUT I'M SURE OUR VIEWERS WANT TO
KNOW, WHAT WERE YOU DOING AT A
GOAT FARM?

About a dozen baby goats play with a young man inside a large pen.

The clip ends.
The caption changes to "Growing trend of goat farming."

David says JEYAN, I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE
TIME I HAVE THE BEST JOB IN THE
WORLD.
I GET TO COVER EASTERN ONTARIO
FOR TVO.
I GOT TO GO TO A GOAT FARM THE
OTHER DAY JUST OUTSIDE OF
CORNWALL IN SOUTH STORMONT.
IT'S THE GOAT FARM OF NORMA
WINTERS.
SHE IS A FASCINATING PERSON.
AND THIS FARM SHE FIGURES HAS
BEEN IN HER FAMILY FOR 200
YEARS.
AND UNTIL RECENTLY IT WAS A
DAIRY FARM, A TRADITIONAL COW
DAIRY FARM.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS BECOME
MORE DIFFICULT, THE CLIMATE FOR
DAIRY FARMING IN THAT WAY,
POLITICAL REASONS, ANOTHER
REASON OF WHICH IS HER HUSBAND
LOST THE BOTTOM PART OF HIS LEG
IN A FARMING ACCIDENT RECENTLY.
SO THINGS NEEDED TO CHANGE AT
THE FARM FOR THEM.
ALSO, THERE WAS THE FACT THAT
THEIR 17-YEAR-OLD SON COLBY
WASN'T PARTICULARLY INTERESTED
IN THE COWS.
SO SHE WANTED A CHANGE.
IN 2016, SHE CHANGED HER FARM
OVER TO GOATS, AND HER SON LOVES
THEM.
YOU KNOW, I WAS THERE AND SAW
THE GOATS LOVE HIM TOO.
YOU KNOW, HE SEES THIS AS HIS
FUTURE.
ACTUALLY HE SAYS TO ME THAT ONE
OF THE BEST PARTS ABOUT WORKING
AT A GOAT FARM IS ALL THE TIME
HE GETS TO TAKE OFF OF SCHOOL.
ACTUALLY HE WAS NOT AT SCHOOL
THE DAY I VISITED AND HIS MOM
FIGURES HE MISSES MAYBE 30 DAYS
OF SCHOOL A YEAR TO TAKE CARE OF
THESE GOATS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A FEEL-GOOD STORY
IN THAT SENSE BECAUSE YOU OFTEN
HERE ABOUT FAMILIES HAVING
TROUBLE KEEPING THE FAMILY FARM
AND THEIR KIDS MAYBE NOT HAVING
AN INTEREST.
BUT IT WAS REALLY COOL TO SEE
COLBY TAKE SUCH CARE, YOU KNOW,
THESE ARE HIS GOATS AND THEY
COULD BE HIS GOATS FOR A LONG
TIME TO COME.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS VISITING
THAT GOAT FARM AND, YES, THEY'RE
CUTE AND IT WAS... THEY'RE VERY
PHOTOGENIC TOO.
IT WAS FUN TO BE AROUND THEM FOR
A MORNING.

Jeyan says THERE IS AN
INCREASED INTEREST IN GOAT
FARMING IN EASTERN ONTARIO.
IT'S NOT ONLY THIS FARM THAT'S
KIND OF SWITCHED OVER FROM
CATTLE TO GOATS.

The caption changes to "David Rockne Corrigan, @rocknecorrigan."

David says THERE HAS BEEN A MOVEMENT, I
GUESS A DIVERSIFICATION OF OUR
FARMS, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS
BEING SEEN A LOT IN EASTERN
ONTARIO RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW,
WITH THIS SLIVER OF TIME.
THERE'S A HUGE BABY FORMULA
FACTORY BEING BUILT ACTUALLY
HERE IN KINGSTON, FEAH, A
CHINESE COMPANY.
WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THIS HUGE
FACTORY THAT THEY WOULD BE
BUILDING HERE, THEY ALSO CAME
ARMED WITH A NEED FOR SOME MORE
GOAT'S MILK.
THEY WERE HOPING TO USE MORE
GOAT'S MILK HAD THAN ALL OF
CANADA SUPPLIES RIGHT NOW.
THEY'VE BACKED THAT OFF A LITTLE
BIT.
BUT THERE'S STILL THIS
EXPECTATION THAT THIS CHINESE
BABY FORMULA PLANT WILL BE, YOU
KNOW, SPARKING AN INCREASE IN
DEMAND FOR GOAT'S MILK.
SO NORMA WINTERS AND MANY OTHER
FARMS THAT SHE KNOWS HAVE BEEN
BRINGING IN GOATS INTO THEIR
FARMS WITH THE HOPE THAT MAYBE
THEY CAN CASH IN.
NOW, NORMA, I DO WANT TO SAY,
NORMA HAS SAID THAT THIS HAS
BEEN ON THE RADAR FOR A WHILE
AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE GOT
IN IN 2017 AND MAY HAVE GOT
BURNED.
THAT'S SOMETHING I'M LOOKING
INTO AS WELL, JUST, YOU KNOW,
WHERE EXACTLY THE SWEET SPOT IS
TO GETTING INTO THIS MARKET.
SHE WOULD SAY YOU'VE GOT TO
START SORT OF SMALL.
YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TOO MANY
GOATS TOO SOON BECAUSE THE
MARKET IS STILL A BIT UNCERTAIN
UNTIL PEOPLE KNOW WHAT EXACTLY
AND HOW MUCH GOAT'S MILK FEAH
WILL BE USING.

The caption changes to "Producer: Patricia Kozicka, @TrishKozicka."

Jeyan says THOSE ARE SOME VERY
INTERESTING STORIES, DAVID.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ALWAYS A PLEASURE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE GOAT
VIDEOS ON SOCIAL MEDIA LATER ON.

David says THANKS, JEYAN

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