Transcript: Ontario's Transit Blueprint for Toronto | Apr 02, 2019

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and checked blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "Ontario's transit blueprint for Toronto. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says A PAIR OF LETTERS SENT
BY PROVINCIAL OFFICIALS TO THE
TORONTO TRANSIT COMMISSION AND
CITY HALL RECENTLY OFFERED A
GLIMPSE OF WHAT THE ONTARIO
GOVERNMENT'S PLANS MIGHT BE UPON
TAKING OVER THE SUBWAY PORTION
OF THE CAPITAL CITY'S TRANSIT
SYSTEM.
IT MENTIONED, QUOTE, A "TRULY
UNIQUE TRANSIT ARTERY SPANNING
THE CITY" AND RESURRECTS THE ROW
OVER THE MUCH-DEBATED ONE-STOP
SUBWAY TO SCARBOROUGH.
BUT FOR MANY, THE LETTERS RAISED
MORE QUESTIONS THAN THEY
ANSWERED.
JEFF YUREK IS ONTARIO'S MINISTER
OF TRANSPORTATION, AND HE'S
UNIQUELY POSITIONED TO GIVE US
SOME OF THOSE ANSWERS.
HE'S THE PC MPP FOR
ELGIN-MIDDLESEX-LONDON AND HE
JOINS US NOW.

Yurek is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and printed blue tie.

Steve continues GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

Yurek says THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

Steve says FIRST TIME ON THE
PROGRAM.
WE'RE DELIGHTED TO HAVE YOU
HERE.
LET'S JUST START WITH THE BASIC
BEAR BONES OF THIS.
WHY DO YOU THINK THE PROVINCE OF
ONTARIO AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY
OF TORONTO CAN MORE EFFECTIVELY
AND EFFICIENTLY GET TRANSIT
GOING?

The caption changes to "Jeff Yurek. Minister of Transportation."
Then, it changes again to "Tunnel vision."

Yurek says I THINK YOU TALK TO ANY RIDER
THAT'S USING THE SUBWAY SYSTEM
TODAY, THE SYSTEM ISN'T WORKING.
THE CITY COUNCIL AFTER CITY
COUNCIL HAVE TRIED TO IMPROVE
THE SUBWAY SYSTEM WITH DIFFERENT
PROJECTS AND PLANS, BUT THEY
NEVER SEEM TO GET BUILT.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK OVER THE
LAST 15 YEARS, WE HAVE THE
EGLINTON CROSS TOWN IS ABOUT THE
ONLY PROJECT THAT IS ALMOST TO
COMPLETION.
SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THE
SUBWAYS GET BUILT AND THESE
PLANS TURN INTO PROJECTS, THEY
NEED TO TAKE A DIFFERENT TACT.
IT'S GOING TO BE A CHANGE.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A
LITTLE DIFFICULT TO MAKE THAT
CHANGE, BUT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
THE PROVINCE IS IN A BETTER
POSITION TO ENSURE THAT THE
PROJECTS ARE BUILT OUT AND
ENSURE THE MAINTENANCE IS GOING
AND SO WE CAN DO IT QUICKER.

Steve says I WANT TO PICK UP ON
TWO WORDS YOU SAID THERE.
OF COURSE TORONTONIANS LOVE TO
COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TTC AND
SOMETIMES WITH GOOD REASON, BUT
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IT WAS
SELECTED THE NORTH AMERICAN
TRANSIT SYSTEM, THE BEST TRANSIT
SYSTEM, AND YOU SAID IT ISN'T
WORKING.
BOTH THOSE THINGS CAN'T BE TRUE,
CAN THEY?

The caption changes to "Jeff Yurek. PC MPP, Elgin-Middlesex-London."

Yurek says WELL, CERTAINLY.
I MEAN I THINK THE INDIVIDUALS
RUNNING THE SUBWAY SYSTEM, THE
TTC ITSELF, IS SURELY OPERATING
A SYSTEM, BUT HOWEVER, TORONTO
HAS REALLY GROWN OVER THE YEARS.
IT'S BEEN A WORLD-CLASS CITY.
UNFORTUNATELY DECISIONS HAVEN'T
BEEN ABLE TO BE MADE, AND IT'S
NO FAULT OF ANYBODY.
IT'S NO FAULT OF ANY MAYOR IN
THE PAST.
IT'S THE FACT THE SYSTEM HAS
BOGGED DOWN THE PROCESS SO THAT
NOTHING GETS BUILT.
STEVE, I WENT TO UNIVERSITY OF
TORONTO IN THE 1990S HERE AND
USED THE SUBWAY SYSTEM QUITE A
BIT, AND THE MAP OF THE SUBWAY
SYSTEM BASICALLY IS THE SAME AS
IT WAS BACK IN THE '90S AS IT IS
TODAY.

Steve says NOT TOO DIFFERENT.
THAT'S TRUE.

Yurek says AND THAT'S NOT PROGRESS.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S SHOWING THAT
SOMETHING IS WRONG AND I THINK
THE PROVINCE NEEDS TO STEP IN
AND GET THESE PROJECTS GOING.

Steve says NEEDLESS TO SAY THERE
IS NOT UNANIMITY ON THAT VIEW,
AND NOT TOO LONG AGO WE HAD
COUNCILLOR JOSH MATLOW IN TO
COMMENT ON THE NOTION OF THE
SUBWAYS TO THE PROVINCE OF
ONTARIO AND HE HAD THIS TO SAY.

A clip plays on screen with the caption "February 20, 2019. Josh Matlow."
In the clip, Josh talks in the studio. He's in his early forties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair.

He says I ACTUALLY AM NOT CONVINCED
THAT THE PREMIER'S POSITION IS
THAT TAKING TORONTO SUBWAY HAS
ANYTHING TO DO WITH IMPROVING
TRANSIT.
I'M BASING THAT BASED ON HIS
TRACK RECORD, BUT ALSO HIS
STATED GOALS.
WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS TAKING
TORONTO'S SUBWAY, ITS LANDS AND
ITS AIR RIGHTS, TO BE ABLE TO
SELL OFF.
HE'S DONE THAT WITH THE HEARN.
IT LOOKS LIKE HE WANTS TO DO
WITH THAT ONTARIO PLACE.

Steve says THAT'S A POWER
GENERATING STATION, BY THE WAY.

Josh says THAT'S RIGHT, AND NOW IT
LOOKS LIKE HE WANTS TO DO THAT
WITH THE SUBWAYS, LANDS AND AIR
RIGHTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE
AND HIS MINISTER OF
TRANSPORTATION HAS SAID THEY
INTEND TO DO.

The clip ends.

Steve says WELL, YOU'RE THE
MINISTER OF TRANSPORTATION.
YOU'RE THE GUY BEING REFERRED TO
THERE.
IS THIS A MONEY PLAY AS OPPOSED
TO A TRANSPORTATION PLAY?

The caption changes to "Jeff Yurek, @JeffYurekMPP."

Yurek says NO, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU
COULD LOOK BACK OF PREMIER
FORD'S PAST.
HE WROTE IN THE BOOK, IT WAS
PART OF OUR PLATFORM THAT HE
WANTS TO UPLOAD THE SUBWAYS AND
BUILD, BUILD, BUILD IS THE THREE
WORDS HE LOVES TO USE.
THAT'S OUR PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FULFILLING.
HE'S LEADING ON THE FACT THAT
PEOPLE IN SCARBOROUGH NEED THE
TRANSIT.
THEY'VE BEEN IGNORED.
ETOBICOKE NEEDS AN EXPANSION.
WE WILL DELIVER ON ALL OF THAT
AT A FASTER PACE.
THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT
THAT MR. MATLOW IS TALKING
ABOUT, THAT'S OUR STRATEGY GOING
FORWARD.
THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE OUT THERE
THAT CAN BE REALIZED AND PUT
BACK INTO THE SYSTEM.
WOODBINE
WOODBINE, FOR EXAMPLE, USING
THAT MODEL AND BUILDING THE
PROVINCE A GO STATION COSTING
THE TAXPAYERS NOTHING AT ALL TO
HAVE THAT BUILT, AND IN RETURN
THEY GET TO BUILD THE STATION
AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD
AROUND THE NEW STATION.
SO THEY'RE BENEFITING FROM
UTILIZING THEIR LAND VALUE.
IT'S A PARTNERSHIP THAT HAS BEEN
MISSING.
THE CURRENT CITY COUNCIL HAS
BEEN UNABLE TO CAPTURE THOSE AIR
RIGHTS AND WE'LL CAPTURE THEM
AND TURN IT INTO MORE HOUSING
FOR TORONTO.

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Steve says SCARBOROUGH, THIS
THING HAS HAD IT SEEMS ENDLESS
NUMBERS OF INCARNATIONS OVER THE
YEARS.
ONCE UPON A TIME WHEN TORONTO
CITY COUNCIL MADE THIS DECISION
I GUESS ABOUT A DECADE, A DECADE
AND A HALF AGO, IT WAS SUPPOSED
TO BE A LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT
SYSTEM.
AND IT WOULD HAVE HAD SEVERAL
STOPS, AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
BUILT BY NOW.
INSTEAD, IT'S BEEN A POLITICAL
FOOTBALL THAT'S BEEN KICKED ALL
OVER THE PLACE.
IT'S BEEN A SUBWAY, IT'S BEEN A
THREE-STOP SUBWAY, A ONE-STOP
SUBWAY.
NOW THE PREMIER WANTS IT BACK TO
A THREE-STOP SUBWAY, AND IT'S
GOING TO BE TWICE AS MUCH MONEY,
AND IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 10,
15 YEARS BEFORE IT'S DONE.
HOW DOES ALL OF THAT SERVE ANYBODY?

The caption changes to "One stop or three?"

Yurek says WELL, I THINK THAT'S JUST
SHOWING THE GOOD EXAMPLE THAT I
SPOKE OF EARLIER, THAT THE
CURRENT SYSTEM ISN'T WORKING.
I BELIEVE IF THE PROVINCE
DOESN'T STEP IN AND UPLOAD THE
SUBWAY SYSTEM AND TURN THESE
PLANS INTO A PROJECT, POOR
SCARBOROUGH IS GOING TO GO
LONGER WITHOUT A SUBWAY HEADING
THEIR WAY.
PREMIER FORD HAS BEEN VERY
ADAMANT IN THE CAMPAIGN THAT HE
BELIEVES IN THE THREE-STOP
SUBWAY FOR SCARBOROUGH.

Steve says AND IS PREPARED TO PUT
IN THE EXTRA MONEY TO MAKE THIS
HAPPEN?

Yurek says WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN
HISTORIC INVESTMENT IN THE
SUBWAY SYSTEM IN OUR UPCOMING
BUDGET.
I CAN HARDLY WAIT TO... I'M
PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
I'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT IT IN A
WEEK'S TAME, BUT WE'RE PUTTING.

Steve says HOW MUCH MONEY?

Yurek says I THINK VIC FEDELI MIGHT COME
AFTER ME IF I...

Steve says JUST TELL ME, DON'T WORRY
ABOUT HIM.

Yurek says IT'S HISTORIC.
YOU'RE GOING TO ENJOY IT, AND
I'LL COME BACK AND DISCUSS MORE
ABOUT THE PLAN AFTER THE BUDGET.

Steve says SO THERE WILL BE
SOMETHING IN THE ONTARIO BUDGET
FLOWING... IT'S GOT TO BE
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
IF IT'S GOING TO BE THREE STOPS
INSTEAD OVER ONE.
FAIR TO SAY?

Yurek says FAIR TO SAY.

Steve says OKAY.
THE PROVINCE IS PROPOSING USING
"ALTERNATIVE DELIVERY METHODS
FOR THE SO-CALLED RELIEF LINE."
SOME PEOPLE CALL IT A DOWNTOWN
RELIEF LINE.
THE MAYOR OF TORONTO CALLS IT A
YONGE STREET RELIEF LINE,
BECAUSE THAT'S THE IDEA, TO
RELIEVE THE PRESSURE ON THE
YONGE STREET SUBWAY LINE.
WHAT DOES AN ALTERNATIVE
DELIVERY METHOD MEAN?

The caption changes to "An alternative relief line?"

Yurek says I'D FIRST OF ALL LIKE TO
POINT OUT THAT THE RELIEF LINE,
TO QUELL ANY RUMOURS OUT THERE,
IS A PRIORITY FOR OUR GOVERNMENT
AND IT'S WHAT IS GOING TO BE
BUILT FIRST.
WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT UP AND
RUNNING AND GET THE SHOVELS IN
THE GROUND.
YOU KNOW, AND I'LL ALSO TELL
PEOPLE, I'VE BEEN ASKED THIS
QUESTION, THE RELIEF LINE IS NOT
A MONORAIL.
PUT THAT TO REST.
THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY OF
TORONTO.
THEY HAVE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVE
TECHNOLOGIES TO DELIVER AND
BUILD WITH REGARDS TO THEIR
SUBWAY EXPANSION.
WE'VE DONE THE SAME THING.
IN ORDER TO FIND MORE EFFICIENT,
COST-EFFECTIVE WAYS TO DELIVER
THE SUBWAY SYSTEM QUICKER THAN
WHAT'S CURRENTLY HAPPENING
TODAY, AND THAT WILL BE RELEASED
IN THE UPCOMING WEEKS.

Steve says AND YOU ARE CONFIRMING
AGAIN TODAY THAT THE RELIEF LINE
WILL BE BUILT BEFORE ANY
EXTENSION OF THE YONGE STREET
SUBWAY LINE NORTH OF HERE WILL
BE BUILT?

Yurek says YOU CAN START BUILDING BOTH,
BUT THE RELIEF LINE WILL BE UP
AND RUNNING PRIOR TO THE OPENING
OF AN EXTENSION IN THE YONGE.

Steve says HOW MUCH IS THE RELIEF
LINE GOING TO COST?

Yurek says AGAIN, YOU REALLY ARE ASKING
SOME GREAT QUESTIONS BEFORE
BUDGET TIME.

Steve says GLAD YOU THINK SO.

Yurek says IF YOU... TORONTO IS GOING TO
BE COMING OUT WITH A REPORT.
FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, THEIR
INITIAL CALCULATIONS HAVE ALMOST
DOUBLED FOR THEIR YONGE RELIEF
LINE SINCE THEY FIRST STARTED
TALKING ABOUT IT.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE'VE
FOUND A COST-EFFECTIVE WAY TO
BRING THAT RELIEF LINE FORWARD,
AND AGAIN, IT WILL BE RELEASED
IN THE NEXT COMING WEEK.

Steve says ARE YOU AT ALL
MORTIFIED BY THE APPARENT
FREQUENT CHANGES IN THE PRICE
TAG FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS?
AND WE JUST SAW FROM ALL THE
DOCUMENTATION THAT CAME OUT
RELATED TO THE SCARBOROUGH
SUBWAY, THIS THING'S GOING TO BE
WAY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN ANYBODY
THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE.

Yurek says AGAIN, I THINK THAT... THAT'S
A CONCEPT THAT THE PRICE KEEPS
GOING UP.
I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE NEVER
TURN THESE PLANS INTO PROJECTS.
THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THIS
STORY AT THE END OF THE DAY IS
THE PROVINCE UPLOADING THE
SYSTEMS WILL GET THE SHOVELS IN
THE GROUND AND GET THESE BUILT
SO WE CAN HAVE AN END LINE OF
HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO COST
AND GET THE FOCUS BACK ON THE
RIDER TO ENJOY THEIR TRANSIT
OPPORTUNITY.

Steve says IF YOU THINK THIS IS
SUCH AN UNAMBIGUOUSLY GOOD IDEA
THAT THE PROVINCE TAKES CONTROL
OF THE SUBWAY SYSTEM, WHY ARE SO
MANY PEOPLE IN THE 416 OPPOSED
TO THIS?

Yurek says YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU LOOK
BACK, IT'S CHANGED.
IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY OF
DELIVERING THE SUBWAY SYSTEM,
AND CHANGE IS NOT EASY.
BUT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE
IF WE KEEP DOWN THIS SAME PATH,
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THESE
SUBWAY SYSTEMS BUILT, AND
UNFORTUNATELY THE RIDER IS GOING
TO SUFFER.
I MEAN, WE'RE HEADING INTO
SAFETY CONCERNS, HOW JAM-PACKED
THE SUBWAYS ARE.
I JUST RODE THE SUBWAY UP HERE,
AND FOR THIS TIME OF DAY, IT WAS
AMAZING HOW FULL THE SUBWAY WAS
AT THIS TIME OF THE DAY.

The caption changes to "tvo.org/theagenda; agendaconnect@tvo.org."

Steve says HANG ON, YOU TOOK THE
SUBWAY HERE?
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE A LIMO.
YOU'RE A CABINET MINISTER.

Yurek says I TAKE THE SUBWAY.
I HAVE A PRESTO CARD.
I HAVE TAKEN THE SUBWAY FOR THE
LAST SEVEN YEARS AS AN MPP.
I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE BECAUSE
I'M A MINISTER.
I THINK IT'S FASTER WHEN YOU'RE
DOWNTOWN TORONTO.

Steve says I JUST PAID YOU A
COMPLIMENT, SO NOW I HAVE TO DO
THE OTHER THING, WHICH IS I DO
HEAR PEOPLE SAY FROM TIME TO
TIME, JEFF YUREK IS FROM RURAL
SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO.
WHAT COULD HE POSSIBLY KNOW
ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE THE
PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM IN THE
CITY OF TORONTO BETTER?
WHAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT?

Yurek says WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE... A
NUMBER OF COMMENTS.
I'M GOING TO GIVE A PLUG FOR
ST. THOMAS, ONTARIO.
IT'S THE RAILWAY CAPITAL OF
CANADA, AND IT'S FOUNDED AND
BASED ON THE RAILWAY AND HOW WE
GREW CANADA, AND I WOULD INVITE
ANYBODY TO COME DOWN AND SPEND
THEIR TOURIST DOLLARS IN
ST. THOMAS.
I'M ALSO A PHARMACIST AND A
SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, AND I
FOCUSED ON TAKING CARE OF MY
PATIENT OR THE CUSTOMER AND
CUSTOMER SERVICE, AND I THINK
THAT'S WHAT THE GOVERNMENT OF
ONTARIO HAS TO DO, UTILIZE THE
SKILL SET THAT'S IN THE
GOVERNMENT.
LISTEN TO THEM AND GO FORWARD,
BUT ENSURE THAT AT THE SAME TIME
YOU'RE GUIDING THEM AND
PROVIDING CUSTOMER SERVICE.
BECAUSE I WANT THE MINISTER OF
TRANSPORTATION WITH REGARDS TO
THIS SUBWAY UPLOAD IS TO FOCUS
ON THE RIDER.
MAYOR TORY HAS SAID IT NUMEROUS
TIMES, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE
WITH THIS.
I WANT TO ENSURE THAT AS WE
BUILD AND GROW THE SUBWAY WE
ACTUALLY GET THE JOB DONE SO THE
RIDER IS FOCUSED ON THE RIDE AND
MORE PEOPLE UTILIZE THE TRANSIT.

Steve says NOW THE UNTOLD STORY
OF COURSE OF UPLOADING THE
SUBWAY SYSTEM IS THAT IT'S NO
LONGER JUST... NOT THAT IT EVER
WAS, BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU INTEND
TO TAKE IT OVER, PROVINCIAL TAX
DOLLARS WILL BE GOING INTO
TORONTO TRANSIT IN A MUCH BIGGER
WAY THAN IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
AND I WONDER HOW THE GOOD
BURGERS OF ST. THOMAS AND OTHER
PLACES AROUND ONTARIO FEEL ABOUT
THAT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Yurek says WELL, YOU KNOW, WE ARE
INVESTING ACROSS THE ENTIRE
PROVINCE.
IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE SOLELY
ON THE TRANSIT SYSTEM OF
TORONTO.
WE ARE CREATING A REGIONAL
TRANSIT SYSTEM IN THE GTA.
WE JUST ANNOUNCED 1.2 BILLION dollars
FOR OTTAWA'S LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY I THINK
ABOUT 80 percent OF THE FOLKS WILL BE
WITHIN 5 KILOMETRES OF THE
TRANSIT SYSTEM.
WE JUST ANNOUNCED 1.3 BILLION IN
FIXING OUR ROADS AND HIGHWAYS
THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROVINCE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF
LONDON ON THEIR BUS RAPID
TRANSIT, AND HAMILTON, WE JUST
ANNOUNCED THAT WE'VE COMMITTED A
BILLION DOLLARS TO GROW THE
LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT.
SO WE ARE INVESTING, BUT I THINK
PEOPLE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK
THAT WE NEED TO GET THE ECONOMY
GOING, AND RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE
TRAPPED IN THEIR CARS, TRUCKS
ARE TRAPPED ON THE HIGHWAYS.
THERE'S... MOVEMENT OF GOODS
ISN'T HAPPENING, SO IN ORDER TO
GET THE ECONOMY GOING, WE HAVE
TO GET PEOPLE MOVING, AND
INVESTING IN THE TRANSIT TO
EXPAND THE TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES
WILL HOPEFULLY FREE UP THE
CONGESTION ON OUR STREETS, GET
MOVEMENT, MOVEMENT OF GOODS.
THE LARGEST CITY IN CANADA NEEDS
TO GET MOVING IN ORDER TO GET
THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO'S
ECONOMY MOVING, AND ONCE WE DO
THAT, MORE REVENUE FOR THE
PROVINCE THAT WE CAN SPEND
THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROVINCE.

Steve says HERE IS NOW "THE GLOBE
AND MAIL" DESCRIBES A BIT OF
WHAT YOU'RE UP TO. SHELDON, CAN
WE HAVE THIS GRAPHIC UP, PLEASE?

A quote appears on screen, under the title "What's in it for Toronto?" The quote reads "The province says it wants 'a leadership role in the planning, design and delivery' of new transit projects. In other words, the province wants to upload transit decision-making to the politicians at Queen's Park. It seems reasonable to believe that, to solve its own budget problems, it will simultaneously seek to download a certain amount of financial burden onto the taxpayers of the city. For Torontonians, that would be a terrible trade."
Quoted from The Globe and Mail. March 27, 2019.

Steve says CAN YOU SIT HERE TONIGHT AND
TELL US THAT IN EXCHANGE FOR THE
ADDED BURDEN, FINANCIAL BURDEN
THAT THE PROVINCE WILL ASSUME,
BY TAKING OVER THE SUBWAYS, THAT
YOU WILL NOT DOWNLOAD ADDITIONAL
BURDENS, FINANCIAL AND
OTHERWISE, TO THE CITY OF TORONTO?

The caption changes to "A fair deal?"

Yurek says IT'S NOT OUR INTENTION TO DO
A TRADE WITH THE CITIES.
WHAT WE SEE IS A PROBLEM THAT
PREMIER FORD OUTLINED IN OUR
CAMPAIGN PROMISE, THAT SUBWAYS
ARE NOT GETTING BUILT.
THE TRANSIT SYSTEM IS STUCK.
IT'S NOT MOVING, AND IN ORDER TO
MAKE TORONTO MOVE AND THE GTA HA
AND GET ONTARIO ENGINES MOVING
AGAIN, WE NEED TO IMPROVE THE
TRANSIT SECTOR, AND THAT MEANS
UPLOADING THE SUBWAYS AND
ENSURING THAT THEY'RE BUILT.
THE TTC WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE
AND KEEP THE FARE BOX AT THE END
OF THE DAY, AND WE'RE GOING TO
LOOK AT ENSURING THE MAINTENANCE
IS DONE AND PLANNING ON GROWING
THE SUBWAY SYSTEM.
I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A
TRADE-OFF.
I THINK IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN
THE PROVINCE.

The caption changes to "Watch us anytime: tvo.org, Twitter: @theagenda, Facebook Live."

Steve says MY EARS PICKED UP WHEN
YOU SAID IT IS NOT OUR
INTENTION, AND IT IS NOT OUR
INTENTION IS NOT THE SAME THING
AS NO.
DID YOU JUST SAY IT'S NOT OUR
INTENTION OR DID YOU MEAN TO SAY
NO OR WHICH WAS IT?

Yurek says IT'S NOT IN THE PLAN THAT
WE'RE GOING FORWARD THAT WE'RE
DOING A TRADE-OFF WITH THE CITY
OF TORONTO TO UPLOAD THEIR
SUBWAYS.
WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE CITY OF
TORONTO IS MICHAEL LINDSEY'S
BEEN OUR APPOINTED SPECIAL
ADVISOR, AND HE'S BEEN WORKING
WITH CITY STAFF.
WE WORKED TOGETHER TO CREATE A
TERMS OF REFERENCE OF HOW THIS
SUBWAY IS GOING TO TRANSFER
OWNERSHIP TO THE PROVINCE TO
CREATE THIS NEW PARTNERSHIP.
A LOT OF THE FINANCIAL QUESTIONS
AND DETAILS THAT PEOPLE ARE
TALKING ABOUT WILL BE SOURCED
OUT DURING THIS UPLOAD.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LOOKING AT
TRYING TO GET THE EXPANSIONS
GOING NOW AND WILL CONTINUE TO
WORK TOWARDS A FINAL UPLOAD
GOING DOWN.

Steve says OKAY.
THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THE
PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT WAS IN PLACE
THAT JOHN TORY AND TORONTO CITY
COUNCIL BROUGHT FORWARD A PLAN
TO TOLL A COUPLE OF THE HIGHWAYS
THAT IT HAS JURISDICTION OVER.
THE GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY
STEPPED IN AND SAID NO WE'RE NOT
GOING TO LET YOU DO THAT.
I WONDER IF YOU WOULD REVISIT...
IS IT PART OF YOUR PLAN TO
REVISIT SOME OF WHATEVER IDEAS
MIGHT COME FORWARD FROM TORONTO
CITY COUNCIL IF THEY WANT TO
RAISE REVENUE FROM TRANSIT
PROJECTS ON THEIR OWN?

Yurek says WE WILL DEFINITELY WORK WITH
THE CITY OF TORONTO ON ON --RON
SOURCES FOR THEIR CITY.
HOWEVER, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ON THE
RECORD THAT I HAVE A HARD TIME
TOLLING ROADS THAT THE PEOPLE OF
THIS PROVINCE HAVE ALREADY
BUILT.
NEW HIGHWAYS, LET'S HAVE THAT
DISCUSSION AND SEE IF THAT'S THE
BEST ROUTE FORWARD.
BUT CURRENT HIGHWAYS RIGHT AT
THIS POINT, I DON'T HAVE AN
APPETITE TO DISCUSS TOLLING
ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT.

Steve says OKAY.
ONE LAST THING HERE, AND THAT
IS... AS FAR AS I CAN TELL,
THERE ARE NEGOTIATIONS ONGOING
BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE
PROVINCE TO SORT OF WORK ALL
THIS OUT, BUT THE FACT IS THE
CITY IS A CREATION OF THE
PROVINCE.
YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT THEIR
PERMISSION.
YOU CAN IMPOSE IT.
YOU CAN HAVE YOUR WAY WITHOUT
SPENDING ALL THIS TIME DOING THE
NEGOTIATING.
WHY DON'T YOU?

Yurek says IT'S A PARTNERSHIP.
IT'S A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE
CITY OF TORONTO AND THE PROVINCE
OF ONTARIO, AND JOHN TORY HAS
BEEN A WONDERFUL PERSON TO WORK
WITH, VERY POSITIVE AND
COLLABORATIVE.
HE'S LOOKING OUT FOR THE BEST...
FOR THE CITY OF TORONTO, AND
WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE THIS NEW
PARTNERSHIP DEVELOPED.
BEING HEAVY HANDED AND ONE-SIDED
ON THIS DOESN'T BUILD A GOOD
TRUSTING RELATIONSHIP.
I THINK THE PEOPLE OF TORONTO
KNOW THAT THE SYSTEM ISN'T
WORKING, CHANGE IS NECESSARY,
BUT WE WANT TO DO IT TOGETHER.
AND I THINK AS THE PROCESS IS
GOING ON, I THINK IT'S GOING TO
BE GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE OF
TORONTO.
IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE
PEOPLE OF THE PROVINCE, BUT MORE
IMPORTANTLY, THE RIDER OF THE
TTC IS GOING TO HAVE A BETTER
EXPERIENCE AND MORE
OPPORTUNITIES.

Steve says SOME WILL OBSERVE THAT YOU
DIDN'T NECESSARILY TAKE THAT
COLLABORATIVE APPROACH WHEN IT
CAME TO SHRINKING TORONTO CITY
COUNCIL BY HALF.
YOU IMPOSED THAT.
SO WHY DO IT THIS WAY THIS TIME?

Yurek says YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, THE
TORONTO TRANSIT AFFECTS
EVERYBODY, EVEN OUTSIDE OF
ONTARIO.
EVERYBODY IS RELIABLE ON
ENSURING THAT THERE'S A TRANSIT
SYSTEM THAT'S A REGIONAL
NETWORK.
THE TTC IS GOING TO BE HUB OF
THAT REGIONAL NETWORK.
IT'S GOING TO BE CONNECTING
DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS AROUND
DOWNTOWN TORONTO AND ALSO OUR GO
LINES WHICH WE'RE RAPIDLY
EXPANDING.
SO I... YOU KNOW, IT'S THE WAY
WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
MAYOR JOHN TORY.
HE'S BEEN SUCH A GOOD
COLLABORATIVE PARTNER, AND IT'S
THE BEST THING FOR TORONTO.
IT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO THINGS,
IS TO WORK TOGETHER TO END
RESULT.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE
APPEASING ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.
THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE
PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SAY NO
NO MATTER WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT
DOES, BUT IF WE CAN COME AT THE
END OF THE DAY WITH... AT THE
END OF THE TERMS OF REFERENCE
WITH A GOOD PACKAGE FOR THE CITY
OF TORONTO AND THE PROVINCE OF
ONTARIO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A
GOOD PRODUCT GOING DOWN THE
LINES AND WE'RE GOING TO BUILD,
BUILD, BUILD.

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Steve says THERE ARE THOSE THREE
WORDS AGAIN.
THAT'S JEFF YUREK, MINISTER OF
TRANSPORTATION FOR THE PROVINCE
OF ONTARIO AND THE PC MEMBER FOR
ELGIN-MIDDLESEX-LONDON. GOOD TO
HAVE YOU HERE AT TVO TONIGHT.

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Yurek says THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
APPRECIATE IT.

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