Transcript: Canada and Post-Brexit Britain | Feb 22, 2019

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and spotted purple tie.

A caption on screen reads "Canada and Post-Brexit Britain. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says AS THE UNITED KINGDOM
EDGES EVER CLOSER TO THE MARCH
29th BREXIT DEADLINE, WITH NO
DEAL YET IN PLACE, THERE IS
UNCERTAINTY AROUND EVERY CORNER,
NOT JUST THERE, BUT ALSO WITH
ALLIES AND KEY TRADING PARTNERS
SUCH AS CANADA.
HERE TO HELP US UNDERSTAND
BETTER WHAT'S AHEAD, THE BRITISH
HIGH COMMISSIONER TO CANADA:
SUSAN le JEUNE d'ALLEGEERSHECQUE.

Susan is in her fifties, with straight blond hair in a ponytail. She's wearing a black sweater and a pearl necklace, with matching earrings.

Steve continues WE ARE DELIGHTED TO WELCOME YOU TO TVO.

Susan says THANK YOU.

Steve says AND HAVING I THINK
SUCCESSFULLY SAID YOUR LAST NAME
ONCE, I'M NEVER GOING TO SAY IT
AGAIN.

Susan says THAT'S FINE.
THANKS FOR SAYING IT PERFECTLY
THE FIRST TIME.

Steve says DID I GET CLOSE?

Susan says YOU DID.

Steve says GOOD.
YOUR PRIME MINISTER OF COURSE IS
BACK IN BRUSSELS.
SHE IS TRYING TO NEGOTIATE A NEW
DEAL AFTER THE INITIAL ONE WAS
REJECTED BY THE HOUSE OF
COMMONS.
THE E.U. HAS ALREADY SAID TO
HER, THE FIRST DEAL IS THE BEST
DEAL YOU'RE GOING TO GET, SO
YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME HERE.
SO LET'S START WITH THIS: WHAT'S
THE POINT OF GOING BACK?

The caption changes to "Susan Le Jeune D'Allegeershecque. British High Commissioner to Canada."
Then, it changes again to "Brexit... Bloody hell."

Susan says I THINK SHE'S NOT LOOKING TO
RENEGOTIATE THE WHOLE DEAL.
THE MANDATE THAT SHE WAS GIVEN
BY THE HOUSE OF COMMONS LAST
WEEK WAS TO GO AND LOOK AGAIN AT
ONE SPECIFIC ELEMENT OF THE
DEAL, WHICH IS THE BACKSTOP
RELATING TO THE NORTHERN
IRELAND-IRELAND BORDER.
SHE BELIEVES THAT IT'S POSSIBLE
TO GET SOMETHING WHICH WOULD
SATISFY THE PEOPLE AND THE
COMMONS WHO WANTED TOMORROW
REDEFINING OF THAT DEAL, AND
THAT'S WHAT SHE IS IN BRUSSELS
TRYING TO DO TODAY.

Steve says I'M NOT SURE YOU
HAVE A WILLING PARTNER IN THE
E.U., THOUGH, BECAUSE WE HAVE
SEEN SOME QUOTES COMING OUT OF
THE E.U. SAYING YOUR COUNTRY
WAS, QUOTE, PRETENDING TO
NEGOTIATE, THAT YOU REALLY DON'T
HAVE ANY NEW PROPOSALS, THAT
YOU'RE, QUOTE, KICKING UP DUST,
AND IT'S ALL ABOUT PHOTO OPS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT
CHARACTERIZATION?

Susan says THAT'S POLITICS, AND WE
ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
HEADLINES AND THE PEOPLE WHO
WANT TO GRAB THE HEADLINES FOR
THEMSELVES.
SHE HAS DEFINITELY GONE TO
BRUSSELS WITH THE VIEW OF HAVING
A SERIOUS NEGOTIATION.
I THINK THERE IS A PROPOSAL THAT
SHE WILL BE TALKING TO THEM
ABOUT, AND I THINK THE BOTTOM
LINE IS, WITHOUT SOME SORT OF
AMENDMENT OR ADDITION TO THE
DEAL THAT'S ON THE TABLE, WE
WILL BE LEAVING ON THE 29TH OF
MARCH WITH NO DEAL.

Steve says HOW WOULD YOU REGARD THAT?

Susan says WELL, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY
WANTS THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN EUROPE
WANTS IT, AND I THINK THERE'S
ONLY A TINY PROPORTION OF PEOPLE
IN THE U.K. WHO THINK THAT WOULD
BE A GOOD IDEA.

Steve says I THINK THERE IS A
VIEW OUT THERE... YOU CAN
CORRECT ME IF YOU THINK I'M
WRONG... I THINK THERE'S A VIEW
OUT THERE THAT THE VERY PEOPLE
THAT ARE TASKED WITH MAKING
BREXIT HAPPEN, NAMELY PUBLIC
SERVANTS SUCH AS YOURSELF, ARE
ACTUALLY THE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE
BREXIT THE MOST.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S TRUE?

Susan says I THINK THAT THERE IS A
FEELING AMONGST THE PEOPLE WHO
WANT BREXIT TO HAPPEN TOMORROW
UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THE
PUBLIC SERVICE HAS BEEN PUTTING
THE BRAKES ON TO SOME EXTENT, I
DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE AT ALL.
THE BRITISH PUBLIC SERVICE I
THINK IS ONE OF THE MOST
APOLITICAL PUBLIC SERVICES IN
THE WHOLE WORLD.
WE DO THE JOB WE'RE TASKED TO DO
BY THE GOVERNMENT IN PLACE ON
THE DAY, AND WHATEVER OUR
PERSONAL VIEWS MIGHT BE ABOUT
THE DECISION THAT WAS TAKEN IN
2016, WE'RE ALL THERE TO EXECUTE
THE DECISION THAT WAS TAKEN.
SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
NEGOTIATING IN BRUSSELS, THE
PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO ARE
NEGOTIATING, ARE DOING THAT IN
GOOD FAITH AND WE ARE ALL
WORKING INCREDIBLY HARD TO GET
THE BEST DEAL POSSIBLE, WHICH
LEAVES THE UNITED KINGDOM IN THE
STRONGEST POSITION POSSIBLE.

Steve says DID YOU VOTE IN THE REFERENDUM?

Susan says YES, I DID.

Steve says HOW DID YOU VOTE?

Susan says I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU.

Steve says C'MON.
YOU CAN TELL ME.

Susan says I DIDN'T VOTE TO LEAVE THE
EUROPEAN UNION.

Steve says YOU DID NOT.
SO YOU VOTED REMAIN?

Susan says YEAH.

Steve says I THOUGHT YOU TOLD
ME YOU WEREN'T GOING TO TELL ME?

Susan says I THINK IT'S FAIR ENOUGH... I
THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF US WHO
DIDN'T VOTE TO LEAVE BUT THE
MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION DID
VOTE TO LEAVE.
THAT IS WHAT DEMOCRACY IS ALL
ABOUT.
WE NOW HAVE TO PUT THAT DECISION
INTO ACTION AND IMPLEMENT IT.

Steve says I DON'T HAVE TO TELL
YOU THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO
THOUGHT THE INITIAL
REFERENDUM... WELL, THE ONLY
REFERENDUM TO DATE, WAS...
WHAT'S THE PARLIAMENTARY WAY OF
PUTTING THIS?
LESS THAN GREAT.
AND GOT A RESULT THAT YOU'D
NEVER GET AGAIN.
QUESTION: SHOULD THERE BE A
SECOND REFERENDUM?

Susan says I DON'T THINK THE PRIME
MINISTER THINKS THERE SHOULD BE
A SECOND REFERENDUM.
I THINK MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT
YOU COULD KEEP ASKING THE SAME
QUESTION OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND
YOU MIGHT GET THE SAME RESULT
AND YOU MIGHT GET A DIFFERENT
RESULT, BUT UNLESS THE NEW
RESULT WAS REALLY CONCLUSIVE, I
DON'T THINK THAT WOULD
NECESSARILY TAKE US MUCH
FORWARD, MUCH FURTHER FORWARD.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT WITH THE
CURRENT GOVERNMENT WE ARE EVER
GOING TO HAVE A SECOND
REFERENDUM.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AT THE
MOMENT, WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER
IS TRYING TO DO AT THE MOMENT,
IS GET A DEAL WHICH, IN THE
CIRCUMSTANCES, IS THE BEST
POSSIBLE FOR THE U.K.

Steve says THE POLITICS IN THE
U.K. RIGHT NOW IS ABSOLUTELY
FASCINATING AND I GUESS IN SOME
RESPECTS ABSOLUTELY TERRIFYING.
YOU'VE GOT A GOVERNMENT THAT
SEEMS TO BE HOLDING ON BY
TENTERHOOKS, YOU'VE GOT MEMBERS
OF THE LABOUR PARTY WHO HAVE
BROKEN OFF.
YOU NOW HAVE TORY BACKBENCHERS
WHO HAVE BROKEN OFF AND THEY'VE
FORMED THIS NEW INDEPENDENT
GROUP.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE
THIS BEFORE?

Susan says NO, I HAVEN'T, IN MORE THAN
30 YEARS AS A DIPLOMAT, I'VE
NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.

Steve says WHAT DOES IT
PORTEND, DO YOU THINK?

Susan says I THINK IT PORTENDS THAT THIS
REFERENDUM AND THIS ISSUE
EXPOSED SOME PRETTY DEEP SPLITS
WITHIN THE COUNTRY AND WITHIN
THE PARLIAMENTARY PARTIES.
I'M NOT AT ALL SURPRISED BY
WHAT'S HAPPENED.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT BOTH THE
CONSERVATIVES AND THE LABOUR
PARTY, THE TWO MAIN PARTIES IN
THE U.K., THERE ARE AT LEAST
THREE FACTIONS WITHIN EACH OF
THOSE PARTIES, AND WHAT YOU'RE
SEEING NOW IS THE PEOPLE
COALESCING, PEOPLE WHO DID NOT
WANT TO LEAVE THE EUROPEAN UNION
FROM BOTH THOSE PARTIES
COALESCING INTO A NEW POLITICAL
MOVEMENT.
THEY'RE NOT A POLITICAL PARTY AT
THE MOMENT.
IT'S NOT SURPRISING.
BUT I THINK WHAT IT SHOWS IS
THAT THERE ARE SOME PRETTY DEEP
DIVISIONS WITHIN THE COUNTRY
WHICH WILL TAKE A LONG TIME TO
OVERCOME.

Steve says LET US SHARE SOME
STATS WHICH YOU KNOW BUT WHICH
OUR AUDIENCE MAY NOT ON THE
NATURE OF THE U.K.-CANADA
RELATIONSHIP.
YOU ARE OF COURSE THE MOTHERSHIP
FOR ENGLISH CANADA.
SO, SHELDON, IF YOU WOULD, LET'S
BRING THESE GRAPHICS UP.

A slate appears on screen, with the title "The Canada-UK Relationship."

Steve reads data from the slate and says
TOTAL TRADE OF GOODS AND
SERVICES BETWEEN CANADA AND THE
U.K. WAS MORE THAN 30 BILLION dollars
LAST YEAR, AND THAT WAS AN 8.2 percent
INCREASE FROM THE YEAR BEFORE.
THE U.K., AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT,
IS THE BIGGEST TRADING PARTNER
CANADA HAS WITHIN THE EUROPEAN
UNION.
CANADA, HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT QUITE
AS IMPORTANT TO YOU AS YOU ARE
TO US.
CANADA IS THE U.K.'S 19TH
LARGEST TRADING PARTNER, AND WE
ACCOUNT FOR ONLY 1.4 percent OF TOTAL
U.K. TRADE.
THE NUMBER ONE GOOD EXPORTED
FROM OVER THERE TO OVER HERE IS,
QUOTE, UNQUOTE, MACHINERY AND
MECHANICAL APPLIANCES.
THE NUMBER ONE GOOD THAT WE
EXPORT FROM OVER HERE TO YOU IS
PRECIOUS STONES AND METALS, AND
THAT IS TWO-THIRDS OF ALL U.K.
GOODS IMPORTED FROM CANADA.
THERE ARE 830 CANADIAN COMPANIES
IN THE U.K.
THEY EMPLOY AROUND 100,000
PEOPLE.
WE KNOW THESE NAMES: BOMBARDIER,
RBC, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THERE ARE MORE THAN 700 U.K.
FIRMS IN THIS COUNTRY, AND THEY
EMPLOY ABOUT 100,000 PEOPLE AND
40,000 ARE IN THIS PROVINCE AND
AGAIN WE KNOW THOSE NAMES, HSBC,
FOR EXAMPLE, THE BANK, AND ROLLS
ROYCE.
HERE'S A QUESTION, BECAUSE
CLEARLY YOU'RE KIND OF NOT AS
INTO US AS WE ARE INTO YOU, IF I
CAN PUT IT THIS WAY.
DO YOU THINK THE U.K. TAKES ITS
RELATIONSHIP WITH CANADA FOR GRANTED?

The caption changes to "Terms of trade."

Susan says I THINK IT HAS DONE.
I THINK THAT'S A VERY FAIR POINT.
BECAUSE IT'S A COMFORTABLE
RELATIONSHIP, BECAUSE WE DON'T
HAVE ANY SERIOUS BILATERAL
PROBLEMS OR DISAGREEMENTS, I
THINK THERE HAS BEEN A TENDENCY
TO TAKE IT FOR GRANTED.
I THINK THAT'S CHANGING.
I THINK THE WHOLE BREXIT ISSUE
HAS MADE US LOOK AGAIN AND
REFOCUS AT SOME OF THESE
RELATIONSHIPS WHICH ARE
TRADITIONAL AND, AS I SAY,
COMFORTABLE, AND WE ARE
INVESTING MORE EFFORT AND WE ARE
PUTTING MORE RESOURCE INTO OUR
RELATIONSHIP WITH CANADA.
SO I HAVE EXTRA STAFF WORKING
FOR ME IN OTTAWA, WHICH IS A
REAL SIGN THAT THE GOVERNMENT IN
THE U.K. IS TAKING THIS
RELATIONSHIP MORE SERIOUSLY AND
WANTS TO GET MORE OUT OF IT.
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO MORE.
WE NEED TO TAKE IT MORE
SERIOUSLY.
WE NEED TO VALUE IT MORE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOING
TO BE DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE.
I THINK I'M PUSHING AT AN OPEN
DOOR WHEN I SAY THIS
RELATIONSHIP NEEDS TO BE MORE
IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK FOR ALL SORTS OF
REASONS, THAT'S A FEELING WHICH
IS REPLICATED IN CANADA.
SO WE ARE WORKING MUCH MORE
CLOSELY TOGETHER ON THINGS TODAY
THAN WE HAVE BEEN I THINK AT ANY
TIME IN THE PAST, AND THAT'S
GREAT, AND IT MAKES IT A VERY
GOOD TIME TO BE DOING MY JOB
HERE.

Steve says IF AND WHEN YOUR
COUNTRY DOES ACTUALLY LEAVE THE
EUROPEAN UNION, WHAT DOES THAT
POTENTIALLY DO TO THE
CANADIAN-U.K. RELATIONSHIP?

Susan says I THINK IT MEANS THAT WE WILL
BE IN SOME WAYS FREER TO WORK
WITH YOU ON BIG FOREIGN POLICY
ISSUES OUTSIDE THE EUROPEAN
UNION.
WE WON'T BE BOUND BY E.U.
POSITIONS SO MUCH, WHICH GIVES
US A BIT MORE LEEWAY TO
SOMETIMES TAKE A MORE FORWARD
POSITION ON CERTAIN ISSUES.
I THINK YOU CAN ALREADY SEE, FOR
EXAMPLE, ON VENEZUELA, THAT THE
U.K. IS WORKING VERY CLOSELY
WITH CANADA, AND THAT WILL
CONTINUE.
WE HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY ON
SYRIA WHEN WE HELPED TOGETHER TO
GET THE WHITE HELMETS, CIVILIAN
PEACEKEEPERS, OUT OF SYRIA.
AND I THINK THERE WILL BE MORE
SUCH ISSUES WHERE WE WILL WORK
CLOSELY TOGETHER.
ON THE TRADE RELATIONSHIP, WE
WILL BE WORKING NOT AS PART OF
THE E.U. AND THAT WILL ALLOW US
ONCE WE'VE LEFT TO HAVE AN EVEN
CLOSER, EVEN MORE PRODUCTIVE
TRADE RELATIONSHIP.

Steve says OKAY.
THAT'S ONE POTENTIAL
INTERPRETATION.
THE OTHER INTERPRETATION IS THAT
WE HAVE A SOPHISTICATED TRADING
RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU NOW AS
PART OF THE EUROPEAN UNION, THE
SEAT YACHT, C-E-T-A, TRADE
AGREEMENT.
IF YOU'RE OUT OF THE E.U., WE
DON'T HAVE A FREE TRADE
AGREEMENT WITH YOU.
WE'D HAVE TO PRESUMABLY CREATE
ONE?

Susan says YES.

Steve says SO HAVE THOSE
NEGOTIATIONS BEGUN YET?

Susan says YES... WELL, THEY'RE NOT
NEGOTIATIONS.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO NEGOTIATE
WHILE WE'RE A MEMBER OF THE E.U.

Steve says SO DISCUSSIONS?

Susan says YES.
TECHNICAL DISCUSSIONS IS WHAT WE
CALL THEM.
THEY ARE TAKING PLACE EVEN AS WE
SPEAK.
THEY ARE PRODUCTIVE AND
CONSTRUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ANY TRADE
NEGOTIATION IS DIFFICULT, AND
CANADIANS ARE VERY GOOD TRADE
NEGOTIATORS.

Steve says OH, YOU'RE BUTTERING
US UP NOW.

Susan says NO, I'M JUST BEING VERY, VERY
HONEST.
SO THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE
CONTINUING, AND I'M CONFIDENT
THAT WE WILL GET TO THE POINT
WHERE WE HAVE A DEAL THAT WE
COULD USE IF WE DID NOT LEAVE
THE EUROPEAN UNION WITH A
WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT.
SO IF WE CRASH OUT OF THE
EUROPEAN UNION ON THE 29TH OF
MARCH, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THERE
WILL BE SOMETHING WHICH WILL
ALLOW CANADA AND THE U.K. TO
CONTINUE TO BENEFIT FROM THE
TERMS OF CETA, AND THEN ONCE WE
ARE OUT, WE'LL LOOK AT IMPROVING
ON CETA FOR THE FUTURE.
BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE'VE
ACTUALLY LEFT.

Steve says YOU THINK CETA WOULD
STAY IN PLACE UNTIL A NEW
AGREEMENT CAME FORWARD.

Susan says THERE WOULD BE A BILATERAL
AGREEMENT THAT WOULD REPLICATE,
I WOULD HOPE, THE BENEFITS OF CETA.

Steve says TO AVOID ANY...

Susan says CLIFF EDGE.

Steve says WHAT DID YOU SAY?

Susan says CLIFF EDGE.

Steve says CLIFF EDGE.
OKAY.
YOU BRITS HAVE A FUNNY WAY OF
SAYING A LOT OF STUFF.
IT'S GOOD.
OKAY.
DO YOU FEAR THAT BOTH COUNTRIES
MIGHT PUT TARIFFS ON EACH OTHER
UNTIL THINGS GOT SOLID?

Susan says I THINK THAT'S A RISK, IF WE
DON'T GET A REPLICATION OF THE
CETA AGREEMENT, THAT'S A RISK,
AND I DON'T THINK EITHER OF US
WOULD WANT THAT.
I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK BUSINESS
ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ATLANTIC
THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.

Steve says YOU'VE BEEN TALKING
TO BUSINESSES HERE AND WHAT DO
THEY SAY ABOUT THE SITUATION?

Susan says THERE ARE VERY KEEN FOR THERE
TO BE A CETA SAFETY NET IN CASE
WE CRASH OUT WITH NO DEAL.

Steve says BRITISH DIPLOMATS
ALL OVER THE WORLD, YOURSELF
INCLUDED, OBVIOUSLY, ARE ON A
BIT OF A CHARM OFFENSIVE RIGHT
NOW, I GUESS, IN AN ATTEMPT TO
KIND OF CALM THE WATERS.
HOW CHOPPY DO YOU THINK THE
WATERS ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW
ABOUT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY IS GOING
THROUGH?

The caption changes to "Susan Le Jeune D'Allegeershecque, @susanlejeunefco."

Susan says ANYBODY WHO READS THE
NEWSPAPERS OR WATCHES THE
TELEVISION WILL SEE THAT THE
COUNTRY IS IN SOME POLITICAL
TURMOIL, AND ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT I AND MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO
TRY AND DO IS REASSURE PEOPLE
THAT THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY MAKE
ANY DIFFERENCE TO WHAT THE U.K.
STILL FUNDAMENTALLY IS, WHICH IS
A COUNTRY THAT BELIEVES FIRMLY
IN THE RULE OF LAW AND CERTAIN
VALUES, OUR ECONOMY REMAINS
FUNDAMENTALLY STRONG, WE ARE
STILL AN OPEN AND WELCOMING
COUNTRY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE
ARE HAVING TO PUT SOME
CONSIDERABLE EFFORT INTOARTICULATING
THOSE MESSAGES TO COUNTER SOME
OF THOSE THINGS THAT PEOPLE SEE
IN THE NEWSPAPERS EVERY DAY.

The caption changes to "Connect with us: Twitter: @theagenda; Facebook, agendaconnect@tvo.org, Instagram."

Steve says WHO IS SIR SIMON
McDONALD?

Susan says HE'S MY BOSS.

Steve says YES, HE IS, FROM THE
FOREIGN OFFICE, AND HE SAYS BREXIT WILL MAKE IT, QUOTE, MORE
DIFFICULT FOR THE U.K. TO EXERT
INFLUENCE IN THE WORLD.
HOW WILL YOU DO THIS?

Susan says WE'LL WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH
PARTNERS LIKE CANADA.
WE WILL HAVE TO BE MORE
ENERGETIC IN ARTICULATING THE
THINGS WE THINK ARE IMPORTANT.
I THINK WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO
PICK OUR FIGHTS, IF YOU LIKE.
WE WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT ARE
THE ISSUES THAT ARE MOST
IMPORTANT TO US AND INVEST TIME
AND EFFORT IN THOSE.
SO ON THINGS LIKE CLIMATE
CHANGE, THEY REMAIN A HUGE
PRIORITY FOR OUR GOVERNMENT, AND
WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS
THOSE GOALS.
BUT, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
IF YOU'RE NOT PART OF A BIG
BLOCK OF 300 AND SOMETHING
MILLION AND YOU'RE JUST THE
U.K., THEN IT WILL BE MORE
DIFFICULT THAN IT WAS BEFORE.

Steve says I'M GOING TO SPELL
THIS WORD BEFORE I SAY IT.
CANZUK.
CANZUK.

Susan says YES.

Steve says IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT.

Susan says I SUPPOSE THAT'S HOW YOU SAY
IT, YEAH.

Steve says WHAT'S THAT?

The caption changes to "Reviving the Commonwealth."

Susan says IT'S AN IDEA THAT SOME PEOPLE
HAVE THAT CANADA, THE U.K., NEW
ZEALAND, AND AUSTRALIA COULD
FORM A SORT OF, I DON'T KNOW,
FREE MOVEMENT BLOC I THINK IS AT
THE HEART OF IT, SO THAT THERE
WOULD BE EASIER MOVEMENT OF
PEOPLE, WORKERS, AND SO ON,
WITHIN THOSE FOUR COUNTRIES.
SO IT'S A BIT OF AN EMBRYONIC
IDEA.
AS YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS
THAT THE BREXIT VOTE WENT IN THE
WAY IT DID IS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT FREE MOVEMENT.
SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS
NECESSARILY THE MOMENT TO START
TALKING ABOUT MORE FREE MOVEMENT
BETWEEN COUNTRIES.
BUT IF WE WERE LOOKING TO DEEPEN
OUR RELATIONSHIPS OR STRENGTHEN
OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH SOME OF
OUR OLD PARTNERS, THEN THOSE ARE
THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT WE
WOULD OBVIOUSLY WANT TO HAVE ON
THE TABLE.

Steve says I WAS GOING TO SAY.
YOU TALK ABOUT FREE MOVEMENT
HERE WITHIN COMMONWEALTH
COUNTRIES THAT SHARE SOME OF THE
SAME VALUES, OTHER THAN THE
PROBLEMS IDENTIFIED IN BREXIT,
DOES THIS MAKE THIS MORE LIKELY
TO HAPPEN THEN?

Susan says IF WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT A
NEW APPROACH TO OUR IMMIGRATION
POLICY MORE GENERALLY, THOSE ARE
THE SORTS OF COUNTRIES THAT...
WHERE SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY
MIGHT BE POSSIBLE.
THERE ARE ALREADY QUITE A LOT OF
THINGS THAT MAKE MOVEMENT
BETWEEN OUR FOUR COUNTRIES
EASIER THAN, FOR EXAMPLE,
BETWEEN THE U.K. AND SOUTH
AFRICA.
THERE ARE BUILDING BLOCKS YOU
COULD USE AS A START TO THAT
SORT OF IDEA.

Steve says I THINK THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA
ACTUALLY ENDORSED THIS IDEA.

Susan says THEY DID.

Steve says AT THEIR RECENT
POLICY CONVENTION.

Susan says YES.

Steve says SO THERE IS SOME
APPETITE FOR IT HERE, APPARENTLY.

Susan says THERE IS.
I THINK... YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT FREER MOVEMENT DOES
BUILD UP, AND YOU SEE IT WHERE
THERE ARE SCHEMES FOR YOUNG
PEOPLE TO TRAVEL, FOR EXAMPLE, A
WORKING VISA SCHEME, IS IT
BUILDS UP RELATIONSHIPS AND
LINKS THAT COME TO FRUITION
LATER ON.
SO IF YOU'VE BEEN TO STUDY OR
VACATIONED IN NEW ZEALAND,
WHEREVER IT IS, WHEN YOU WERE 18
OR 19, YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING
AND AN AFFECTION FOR THAT
COUNTRY THAT STAYS WITH YOU WHEN
YOU CONTINUE IN YOUR LATER
CAREER.

Steve says HIGH COMMISSIONER,
WE RECENTLY HAD ANOTHER GUEST IN
THAT CHAIR WHO WAS A
DEMOGRAPHICS AND NATIONALISM
EXPERT, IF YOU LIKE, AND HE
RAISED THE NOTION THAT ENGLISH
CANADA HAS A UNIQUE LACK OF
ATTACHMENT THESE DAYS TO OUR
BRITISH MOTHERLAND THAT WE DON'T
SORT OF HAVE THE SAME KIND OF
ETHNIC FOUNDING MYTH, FOR
EXAMPLE, THAT QUEBEC WOULD HAVE
WITH FRANCE AND THE SAME
PEOPLEHOOD AS IT RELATES TO THE
UNITED KINGDOM.
HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED THIS NOTION
IN YOUR TRAVELS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY?

The caption changes to "Our motherland?"

Susan says NO, I'VE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED
JUST THE OPPOSITE.
I MEAN, I'M SO AMAZED BY THE
DEPTH OF AFFECTION AND THE
CLOSENESS OF THE LINKS THAT
EXIST BETWEEN THE U.K. AND CANADA.

Steve says TO WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE IT?

Susan says I THINK IT'S PARTLY FAMILY
LINKS.
I THINK IT'S THE FACT WE KNOW
EACH OTHER'S COUNTRIES VERY
WELL.
MANY PEOPLE TRAVEL IN BOTH
DIRECTIONS.
BUT I THINK IT IS CHANGING.
I THINK WHERE YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS
EXPERT IS PROBABLY RIGHT IS THAT
IS CHANGING AS THE CANADIAN
POPULATION CHANGES, THEN THERE
WON'T BE AS MANY PEOPLE WITH
THOSE SORTS OF LINKS.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAY THAT WE
CAN'T TAKE THIS RELATIONSHIP FOR
GRANTED, AND WE CAN'T ASSUME
THAT THE HISTORICAL LINKS
BETWEEN OUR COUNTRIES WILL BE
ENOUGH TO SEE US INTO THE
FUTURE.

Steve says I PARTLY ASK BECAUSE
WE LOVE IT WHEN FORMERLY
CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS GET
DECLASSIFIED.
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD FUN LOOKING
BACK AT THIS STUFF.
HERE'S SOMETHING FROM 35 YEARS
AGO.
ONE HIGH COMMISSIONER NAMED JOHN
WILSON WROTE IN 1984 WERE
CONVINCED THAT THE MORE WE
CONCENTRATE ON THE EUROPEAN
COMMUNITY, THE LESS WE BOTHER
WITH THEM.
CANADIANS FELT BRITS CARED ABOUT
THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH EUROPE
AND FRANKLY NOT THAT MUCH ABOUT
US.
IS THAT A FAIR CHARACTERIZATION
OF THE WAY THINGS ARE?

Susan says I DON'T THINK IT'S A FAIR...

Steve says OR WERE?

Susan says I THINK THERE WAS A SHIFT OF
FOCUS.
I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND WE INVESTED A LOT IN OUR
RELATIONSHIP OVER THE LAST 40
YEARS WITH THE EUROPEAN UNION,
AND I THINK THE COUNTRIES...
THINGS WERE EASY AND
COMFORTABLE, AS I SAID EARLIER,
ARE THOSE IN WHICH RESOURCES
WERE NOT... TO WHICH RESOURCES
WERE NOT DEVOTED IN THE SAME WAY
AS PERHAPS THEY SHOULD HAVE
BEEN.
SO I THINK... I DON'T THINK IT
WAS DELIBERATE, BUT I THINK
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, AND I
THINK WE'RE NOW TRYING TO
REDRESS THAT BALANCE A BIT AND
REFOCUS.

Steve says LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT
THE DELICATE MATTER OF HER
MAJESTY THE QUEEN'S SECURITY.
IF BREXIT GOES REALLY BADLY
SOUTH, IS THERE SOME KIND OF
EVACUATION PLAN FOR THE QUEEN
JUST IN CASE?

The caption changes to "Other matters."

Susan says I THINK THAT THERE ARE... I'M
PRETTY CERTAIN THAT THERE ARE
PLANS IN PLACE TO TAKE CARE OF
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN IN EVERY
POSSIBLE CIRCUMSTANCE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A
SPECIFIC BREXIT EXIT PLAN FOR
THE QUEEN.

Steve says I DON'T HAVE TO TELL
YOU, THERE WAS IN WORLD WAR II
FOR SOME FAMILY AND THE DUTCH
ROYAL FAMILY ENDED OVER HERE.

Susan says OURS DID NOT.

Steve says OF COURSE.
IT DOES RAISE THE QUESTION OF
COURSE YOUR NEWSPAPERS BACK AT
HOME HAVE BEEN SPECULATING ABOUT
SUCH THINGS.
ARE PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT THE
SAFETY OF THE ROYAL FAMILY AT
THESE TIMES?

Susan says I DON'T THINK SO, NO.
I THINK... YOU KNOW, I THINK
WHAT'S VERY INTERESTING, EVEN
DESPITE ALL THE EMOTION THERE
HAS BEEN AROUND THE BREXIT
ISSUE, THE HUGE DEMONSTRATIONS
THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE ON THE
STREETS OF LONDON HAVE BEEN
ENTIRELY PEACEFUL.
SO WHILE EMOTIONS ARE VERY HIGH,
THEY HAVEN'T BUBBLED UP OR
BOILED OVER INTO VIOLENT
CONFRONTATIONS OF ANY KIND AND I
WOULD EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE.

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Steve says OKAY.
CAN YOU HELP CANADIANS
UNDERSTAND THIS PHENOMENON
WHERE, APPARENTLY A GOOD CHUNK
OF THE 52 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE
WHO VOTED IN FAVOUR OF LEAVING
THE EUROPEAN UNION DON'T SEEM TO
CARE IF IT AFFECTS THEM IN THE
POCKETBOOK.
THEY ARE MORE WORRIED ABOUT
OTHER THINGS.
AND OF COURSE WE ARE LED TO
BELIEVE THAT POLITICS
OVERWHELMINGLY IN THIS DAY...
THESE DAYS, RATHER, IS ALL ABOUT
WHAT'S HAPPENING ECONOMICALLY.
CAN YOU GET US INSIDE THAT MIND
SET?

Susan says SO I THINK THERE ARE TWO
THINGS.
I THINK FIRST OF ALL THE
NEGATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT WHICH I
THINK MOST PEOPLE AGREE WILL
HAPPEN, INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR
OF THE BANK OF ENGLAND WHO YOU
VERY KINDLY LENT TO US.

Steve says GREAT CANADIAN.

Susan says IS NOT BEGINNING REALLY YET
TO BITE.
SO I THINK PEOPLE DON'T FEEL YET
IN THEIR POCKETS, AS YOU SAY,
THE IMPACT.
BUT I THINK THE SECOND THING IS
THAT THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE TO THE
ECONOMIC ARGUMENT WHICH IS THAT
PEOPLE FELT THAT GLOBALIZATION,
BEING PART OF THIS HUGE SINGLE
MARKET AND ALL THOSE ECONOMIC
OPPORTUNITIES, HAVEN'T ACTUALLY
MADE ANY DIFFERENCE TO THEM.
SO THEY COULD NOT SEE ANY
BENEFIT ECONOMICALLY TO THEM OF
BEING PART OF THE EUROPEAN UNION
AND THE WHOLE GLOBALIZATION...
THE CHANGE THAT GLOBALIZATION OF
THE ECONOMY HAD BROUGHT.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE WAY IN
WHICH THE ECONOMIC ARGUMENT
PLAYED INTO THE RESULT.
BUT THAT WAS NOT THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING.
I THINK THE ARGUMENT WHICH WON
IT FOR THE LEAVE SIDE ARE ALL
ABOUT THE CONTROL OF THE BORDER
AND THE CONTROL, AS THEY SAY, OF
OUR LEGISLATION AND OUR LAWS,
AND THOSE WERE THE TWO THINGS
THAT I THINK REALLY HIT HOME
WITH THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED TO
LEAVE.

Steve says IF THE UNITED
KINGDOM IS ABLE TO LEAVE THE
EUROPEAN UNION, DO YOU THINK
THAT HASTENS ANY MOMENTUM BEHIND
ANY OF THE CONSTITUENT MEMBERS
OF THE UNITED KINGDOM LEAVING
THAT?

Susan says NEITHER NORTHERN IRELAND NOR
SCOTLAND VOTED TO LEAVE.

Steve says RIGHT.

Susan says THE MAJORITY IN THOSE TWO
PARTS OF THE UNION WISH TO STAY.
NORTHERN IRELAND IS A
PARTICULARLY COMPLICATED ISSUE,
WHICH IS DOMINATING THE CURRENT
DISCUSSIONS.
IN SCOTLAND, THEY'VE ALREADY HAD
AN INDEPENDENCE REFERENDUM,
WHICH WEDNESDAY AGAINST
INDEPENDENCE, AND THAT WAS
FAIRLY RECENT.
NICOLA STURGEON WAS HERE IN
TORONTO LAST WEEK AND SHE WAS
TALKING ABOUT A SECOND
INDEPENDENCE REFERENDUM.

Steve says THE LEADER OF THE
SCOTTISH NATIONALIST PARTY.

Susan says THE FIRST MINISTER OF
SCOTLAND.
SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN HER MIND,
BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO SPECULATE
ABOUT WHEN AND IF THAT MIGHT
HAPPEN.

Steve says DONALD TUSK,
PRESIDENT OF THE EUROPEAN
COUNCIL, HAD A DELICIOUS QUOTE
THE OTHER DAY.
SAID THERE WAS A SPECIAL PLACE
IN HELL FOR THOSE WHO PROMOTED
BREXIT WITHOUT A SUBSEQUENT
PLAN.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS
SENTIMENT?

Susan says I THINK WHEN YOU SEE THE
POLITICAL TURMOIL THAT'S
HAPPENING IN THE UNITED KINGDOM
AT THE MOMENT, YOU CAN... YOU
CAN UNDERSTAND WHY HE MIGHT SAY
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK WHAT IS TRUE, ON THE
OTHER HAND, IS THAT THE PRIME
MINISTER HAS OUTLINED HER PLANS
VERY CLEARLY, SHE DOES HAVE A
PLAN AND SHE IS PREPARED TO
EXECUTE THAT PLAN.
I THINK IT'S VERY INTERESTING
THAT SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE THE
MOST VOCAL PROPONENTS OF BREXIT
ARE NO LONGER PART OF THE
GOVERNMENT, THERE WERE TWO OR
THREE MINISTERS VERY MUCH IN THE
FOREFRONT OF THAT CAMPAIGN WHO
HAVE DECIDED FOR THEIR OWN
REASONS TO LEAVE THE GOVERNMENT.

Steve says HER POLITICAL DEMISE
HAS BEEN PREDICTED BASICALLY
EVERY DAY SINCE THAT VOTE, AND
YET SHE IS STILL THERE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT SAYS?

Susan says IT SHOWS SHE HAS ASTONISHING
RESILIENCE.
SHE IS A WOMAN WITH A GREAT
SENSE OF DUTY, WHO IS DETERMINED
TO CARRY OUT THE TASK THAT SHE
WAS ELECTED TO DO, AND I THINK
SHE HAS BEEN ASTONISHING IN THE
WAY THAT SHE IS CARRYING IT OUT
AND I HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF
ADMIRATION FOR HER, AS I IMAGINE
A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE DO.

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Steve says WELL, HIGH
COMMISSIONER, I'M GOING TO TRY
ONE MORE TIME TO SAY YOUR NAME
AND THANK YOU.
THAT IS SUSAN
le JEUNE d'ALLEGEERSHECQUE.
DID I GET CLOSE?

Susan says VERY CLOSE.

Steve says I HATE CLOSE.
I WANT TO BE RIGHT ON.
WHAT'S YOUR MAIDEN NAME?

Susan says MILLER.

Steve says WHY COULDN'T YOU
HAVE KEPT THAT?

Susan says BECAUSE MY HUSBAND GAVE UP
HIS CAREER TO FOLLOW ME AROUND
THE WORLD SO I GAVE UP MY NAME.

Steve says IT SEEMS LIKE A FAIR
TRADE.
COMMISSIONER, IT'S GOOD OF YOU
TO SPEND SO MUCH TIME WITH US
TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Susan says I'VE REALLY ENJOYED IT.
THANK YOU.

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