Transcript: Climate Accuracy, Activism, and Alarmism | Jul 30, 2019

Nam sits in the studio. She's in her early forties, with shoulder length curly brown hair. She's wearing glasses and a dark blue blazer over a green shirt.

A caption on screen reads "Climate accuracy, activism and alarmism. Nam Kiwanuka, @namshine, @theagenda."

Nam says TO MANY PEOPLE, CLIMATE
CHANGE IS NO LONGER
AN ABSTRACT POSSIBILITY.
IT IS HERE.
TO OTHERS, THAT'S HYPE.
AND MEASURES SUCH AS CARBON
PRICING ARE JUST CASH GRABS
OR WORSE.
WITH US NOW TO SORT THE
FACT FROM THE FICTION:
IN VICTORIA, BC, VIA SKYPE, GREG
FLATO, SENIOR RESEARCH SCIENTIST
AT ENVIRONMENT AND
CLIMATE CHANGE CANADA.

Greg is in his fifties, with receding gray hair and a goatee. He's wearing a striped blue shirt and earphones.

Nam continues DIANNE SAXE, FORMER
ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSIONER OF
ONTARIO, CURRENTLY
PRESIDENT OF SAXE FACTS.

Dianne is in her late fifties, with short wavy salt and pepper hair. She's wearing glasses, a light gray pinstripe blazer over a burgundy blouse, and a golden pendant necklace.

Nam continues AND COURTNEY HOWARD,
BOARD PRESIDENT AT THE
CANADIAN ASSOCIATION OF
PHYSICIANS FOR THE ENVIRONMENT,
AND AN EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN
IN YELLOWKNIFE,
NORTHWEST TERRITORIES.

Courtney is in her early forties, with long curly blond hair. She's wearing a sleeveless blue dress.

Nam continues WELCOME TO YOU ALL.
BEFORE WE START OUR DISCUSSION
LET'S TAKE A LOOK
AT A CLIP ABOUT HOW TO TALK
ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE
THIS WAS PRODUCED BY THE
ALLIANCE FOR CLIMATE EDUCATION
PLEASE ROLL.

A clip plays on screen. In the clip, two stick figures talk about a music video as a third approaches.

A female announcer says
TALKING ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE CAN
BE TOUGH
I MEAN IT'S NOT LIKE SOMETHING
YOU CAN JUST CASUALLY BRING UP
IN CONVERSATION.
BUT IT'S SUCH A BIG IMPORTANT
TOPIC.

The third stick figure says "How about global warming?"

The announcer says WE CAN'T JUST IGNORE IT.

An elephant tagged "Climate" sits on a couch with two stick figures, tilting it.

The announcer says AND WHILE YOU CAN'T FIX CLIMATE
CHANGE ALL BY YOURSELF
YOU DO HAVE THE POWER TO AFFECT
THE PEOPLE IN YOUR LIFE
SO, LET'S TALK MORE ABOUT
CLIMATE CHANGE..

A stick figure is surrounded by friends and family.

The announcer says HERE'S HOW
FIRST, THINK ABOUT ALL THE
THINGS YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT
CLIMATE CHANGE; AND DON'T SAY
THEM, REALLY.

A stick figure says "Climate change is a big problem because..."
Another stick figure says "Cars create pollution, polar bears are dying, we're heating the planet."

The announcer says SEE, IF YOU JUST START GOING OFF
ON HOW BAD CLIMATE CHANGE IS
PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO
SHUT DOWN
THEY MAY FEEL ATTACKED AND PUT
UP THEIR GUARD.

A second stick figure replies "Whatever. You're wrong!"

It holds up a shield labeled "Shield of safety."

The announcer says IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW ELOQUENT
YOUR WORDS ARE
IF THE OTHER PERSON'S NOT
LISTENING, THERE'S NO POINT.

The clip ends.

Nam says DIANNE, I'D LIKE
TO START WITH YOU.
YOUR FINAL REPORT, AS THE
ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSIONER OF
ONTARIO, WAS ACCOMPANIED BY
A LETTER TO THE LEGISLATIVE
ASSEMBLY IN WHICH YOU STATE:

A quote appears on screen, under the title "Which way." The quote reads "Ontario could be on the road to a clean economy but is currently headed in the wrong direction."
Quoted from Dianne Saxe. March, 2019.

DIANNE SAXE SAYS RIGHT.

NAM SAYS IN TERMS OF RECENT CHANGES
IN ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY... THERE
YOU GO... HOW ARE WE HEADED
IN THE WRONG DIRECTION?

The caption changes to "Dianne Saxe. Former Environmental Commissioner of Ontario."
Then, it changes again to "Headed in the wrong direction?"

Dianne says OH, IN ALMOST EVERY WAY.
WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN... I MEAN,
A YEAR AGO,
AND I GUESS A FEW DAYS... ONTARIO HAD A HUGE
AMOUNT TO BE PROUD OF.
INTERNATIONALLY, WE CLOSED
OUR COAL PLANTS, DRAMATICALLY
IMPROVING OUR AIR
QUALITY, REDUCING OUR POLLUTION.
WE HAD A PRICE ON CARBON.
WE WERE SPENDING THAT MONEY
ON BUILDING A CLEAN ECONOMY.
AND NOW JUST ABOUT ALL THE
PROGRESS THAT WE MADE IN THE
PREVIOUS DECADE HAS
BEEN DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
WE DON'T HAVE MEANINGFUL
TARGETS; WE DON'T HAVE A
MEANINGFUL PROGRAM TO ACHIEVE
THOSE TARGETS; WE'VE SLASHED
ENERGY CONSERVATION; WE HAVE
INCREASED SPEED LIMITS;
DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN
TO MAKE GASOLINE CHEAPER;
WE'RE INCREASING SPRAWL,
WHICH IS A MAJOR DRIVER
OF CLIMATE POLLUTION IN ONTARIO.
IN PRACTICALLY EVERY WAY, THE
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT IS NOW
PUSHING US INTO THINGS THAT ARE
GOING TO INCREASE OUR CLIMATE
POLLUTION WHEN WE HAVE A
DESPERATE NEED TO REDUCE IT.

Nam says WELL, YOU MENTIONED THE
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT.
THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF
PROVINCIAL ELECTIONS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THERE'S A FEDERAL
ELECTION COMING UP IN OCTOBER.
COURTNEY, HOW CONCERNED ARE
YOU THAT... WHEN YOU SEE CANADIANS
ELECTING GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE
OPPOSED TO CAP AND TRADE
OR CARBON TAX INITIATIVES?

The caption changes to "Courtney Howard. Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment."

Courtney says SO, WE KNOW THAT CLIMATE CHANGE
IS THE BIGGEST HEALTH THREAT
OF THE 21ST CENTURY.
THAT'S WHAT THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION,
THE LANCET,
ALL OUR BIG JOURNALS TELL US.
AND WE ALSO KNOW WE HAVE TO WORK
IN DIFFERENT DISCIPLINARY GROUPS
IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORK.
SO, DOCTORS CAN'T SOLVE IT ALL
BY THEMSELVES;
ECONOMISTS CAN'T SOLVE IT ALL
BY THEMSELVES.
BUT WHEN WE WORK
TOGETHER, IT WORKS.
SO, WHAT
THE LANCET,
A JOURNAL
THAT IS VERY SORT OF PRESTIGIOUS
IN MEDICINE, HAS DONE IS THEY'VE
MADE THESE MULTIDISCIPLINARY
GROUPS THAT HAVE COME TOGETHER
TO FIGURE OUT, "OK, WELL, WHAT'S
THE DIAGNOSIS, AND
WHAT'S THE BEST TREATMENT?"
AND SO THOSE GROUPS, WHICH
INCLUDE ECONOMISTS AND DOCTORS,
HAVE SAID, "OK, WELL, TAKING
ACTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE TO
IMPROVE PEOPLE'S HEALTH IS
THE BEST REASON FOR US TO ACT.
AND OUR SINGLE BEST TOOL IN
OUR TOOLKIT IS CARBON PRICING."
AND SO, IT'S... YOU KNOW, KNOWING
THAT ONE OF THE BEST TREATMENTS
IS BEING TAKEN OFF THE TABLE
BY SOME OF OUR POLITICIANS JUST
MAKES ME QUESTION WHETHER WE'RE
GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE AT SOLVING
OUR CLIMATE CRISIS.

NAM SAYS AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE
ARE INTERESTED IN KNOWING,
OR WANTING TO KNOW.
BECAUSE WHEN WE DO COVER CLIMATE
CHANGE HERE,
WE DO GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK.
AND, GREG, WE HAVE A VIEWER WHO
GETS IN TOUCH WITH US WHEN WE DO
COVER CLIMATE CHANGE, AND HE
OFTEN POINTS OUT STATEMENTS MADE
BY OUR GUESTS THAT HE
CONSIDERS TO BE ALARMIST AND
SCIENTIFICALLY INACCURATE.
HE ALSO BACKS UP HIS POINTS WITH
CHARTS AND GRAPHICS, INCLUDING
THE ONE I'M ABOUT TO SHOW
YOU... THIS ONE RIGHT HERE... WHICH
HE ACCOMPANIED WITH A STATEMENT:
"HOTTER DAYS ARE NOT GETTING HOTTER."

A slate appears on screen, with the title "Annual maximum temperature versus 30 year moving average versus atmospheric CO2 concentration. Decreasing maximum temperature linear trend: minus 0.52 degrees Celsius per century."

A line chart with three lines shows the varying maximum temperature throughout a wide range of years as the atmospheric CO2 concentration soars.

Nam continues SO, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS
A SQUIGGLY LINE CHARTING THE
HOTTEST DAY OF EACH YEAR IN
OTTAWA; ANOTHER LINE SHOWING THE
AVERAGE OF THOSE HOT DAYS; AND A
RED LINE SHOWING CARBON DIOXIDE
CONCENTRATION IN THE ATMOSPHERE.
GREG, WHAT DO YOU
MAKE OF THIS DATA?

The caption changes to "Greg Flato. Environment and Climate Change Canada."

GREG SAYS WELL, IT'S A BIT
HARD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT... YOU
KNOW, THE SOURCE OF THE
DATA THERE IS NOT CLEAR TO ME.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN, YOU KNOW,
A RECENTLY RELEASED REPORT... THE
CANADA'S CHANGING CLIMATE
REPORT... IS LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF
OBSERVATIONALLY BASED MEASURES
OF CLIMATE CHANGE,
INCLUDING ANNUAL MAXIMUM HOT
DAYS AND COLD DAYS.
THE DIFFICULTY IS THAT MANY OF
THESE QUANTITIES VARY FROM PLACE
TO PLACE, AND HAVE LOTS OF
NATURAL VARIABILITY FROM
YEAR TO YEAR.
SO, EXTRACTING A SIGNAL THAT
IS REALLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO A
CHANGING CLIMATE ON THESE
INDIVIDUAL POINT MEASUREMENTS IS
OFTEN VERY DIFFICULT.
SO WHAT WE DO IS LOOK AT
AVERAGES ACROSS A LARGER REGION.
A PROVINCE OR A
COUNTRY OR THE GLOBE.
AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, THEN YOU
CAN SEE MUCH CLEARER SIGNALS
OF THE CHANGING CLIMATE.
AND IF YOU AVERAGE ACROSS
CANADA, YOU SEE THAT THE AVERAGE
ANNUAL MAXIMUM DAILY TEMPERATURE
IS INCREASING ACROSS CANADA,
ON AVERAGE, BY ABOUT 0.6
DEGREES, SINCE 1948.
IF YOU LOOK AT AN INDIVIDUAL
CITY, HOWEVER, OR AN INDIVIDUAL
MEASUREMENT SITE, THERE'S LOTS
OF UPS AND DOWNS THAT ARE PART
OF NATURAL VARIABILITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFICULT TO
TEASE OUT THE PART THAT IS DUE
TO CLIMATE CHANGE VERSUS THE
PART THAT'S DUE TO
NATURAL VARIABILITY.

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Nam says AND I THINK THAT GRAPH,
WHAT IT WAS SHOWING WAS FOR
THE CITY OF OTTAWA.
WHY IS THAT PROBLEMATIC TO USE
AS AN EXAMPLE OF
THE REST OF CANADA?
WELL, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT
IT'S PROBLEMATIC, BUT IT IS NOT
NECESSARILY REPRESENTATIVE
OF THE REST OF CANADA.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
OBSERVED WARMING ACROSS CANADA,
SOUTHEASTERN ONTARIO AND THE
MARITIMES ARE... HAVE WARMED LESS
THAN MANY OTHER
PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

A map of Canada appears briefly under the title "Trends in annual temperatures. 1948-2016."

The map is painted in hues of yellow, orange and red, showing that the highest temperature increase has taken place in the northwest of the country.

Greg continues IF YOU LOOK AT A MAP OF OBSERVED
TEMPERATURE CHANGE, THE LARGEST
WARMING IS UP IN THE NORTHWEST
OF CANADA, SO NORTHWEST
TERRITORIES AND YUKON HAS
SEEN THE LARGEST INCREASE
IN TEMPERATURE.
WHEREAS IF YOU LOOK AT
EASTERN CANADA, PARTICULARLY
SOUTHEASTERN CANADA, YOU
SEE SMALLER OBSERVED CHANGES.
AND THAT'S PART OF A GLOBAL
PATTERN WHERE WARMING
IS NOT UNIFORM.
THERE'S PLACES IN THE WORLD
WHERE THE... WHERE WARMING
IS LARGER, AND PLACES
WHERE IT'S SMALLER.
IN GENERAL, IT'S LARGER
AS YOU GO FURTHER NORTH.

The caption changes to "Greg Flato, @GregFlato."

Greg continues SO, YOU KNOW, THE GLOBAL
MEAN HAS INCREASED SINCE
PRE-INDUSTRIAL TIMES BY
ABOUT ONE DEGREE CELSIUS.
CANADA, WHICH IS A NORTHERN
COUNTRY, HAS WARMED ABOUT
TWO DEGREES,
OVER THAT SAME PERIOD.
AND IF YOU GO TO NORTHERN CANADA
AND THE ARCTIC, IT'S WARMED MORE
LIKE THREE DEGREES.
SO, THOSE PATTERNS HAVE
TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
AND IF YOU PICK A SPOT WHERE
THERE'S LESS WARMING,
THEN OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO
SEE A SMALLER SIGNAL.

NAM SAYS AND, DIANNE,
ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT?

The caption changes to "Dianne Saxe. Saxe Facts."

Dianne says WELL, ABSOLUTELY.
SO AS ENVIRONMENTAL
COMMISSIONER, WE DID A LOT OF
WORK LOOKING AT HOW TEMPERATURE
AND PRECIPITATION HAVE CHANGED
ACROSS ONTARIO.
AND WHAT WE SAW WAS THAT OTTAWA
IS ONE OF THE PLACES IT HAS
WARMED LESS.

Two line charts appear under the title "Average temperatures rising. Ottawa."

One chart shows that the average temperature has risen consistently. The other chart shows that the same is true about the average precipitation.

Dianne continues FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE GOT A CHART
HERE THAT SHOWS HOW AVERAGE
TEMPERATURES AND PRECIPITATION
HAVE CHANGED IN OTTAWA,
AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S QUITE A
BIT WARMER IN OTTAWA,
OVER THE LAST FEW DECADES.
BUT IN TERMS OF HOW OTTAWA
COMPARES TO THE REST OF THE
PROVINCE... WE LOOKED AT HOW GROWING
SEASONS HAVE CHANGED,
AND THERE ARE PARTS OF ONTARIO
WHERE THE GROWING SEASONS HAVE
CHANGED UP TO 13 DAYS A DECADE.
AND OTTAWA GROWING SEASONS HAVE
CHANGED COMPARATIVELY LITTLE.
SO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PICK A
PLACE TO LOOK, OTTAWA HASN'T
CHANGED VERY MUCH.
AND IN TERMS OF MAXIMUM
TEMPERATURES, WE DON'T KNOW THE
SOURCE OF THE CHART... NEITHER
GREG OR I WERE ABLE TO VALIDATE
THIS... THIS LISTENER'S CHART... BUT
WE DID LOOK AT OTHER KINDS
OF DATA.

The caption changes to "Dianne Saxe, @envirolaw1."

Dianne continues AND WHAT WE SEE IS THAT IF YOU
TAKE MORE STATISTICALLY ROBUST
THINGS, SUCH AS HOW MANY DAYS
DO WE HAVE WHEN IT'S TOO HOT FOR
KIDS TO BE IN SCHOOL PORTABLES
AND STILL CONCENTRATE, WELL,
THERE WE SEE BIG INCREASES.
SO TORONTO USED TO HAVE ABOUT
THREE DAYS A YEAR OF REALLY,
REALLY HOT... OVER 25
DEGREES... A CENTURY AGO.
NOW UP TO 13 DAYS A YEAR.
AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE
AND MORE OF THOSE DAYS DURING
THE SCHOOL YEAR.
SO, WE ARE SEEING REAL CHANGES
IN EXTREME WEATHER
RIGHT HERE IN ONTARIO.
BUT IT'S NOT THE
SAME EVERYWHERE.
AND OTTAWA HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF
THOSE PLACES IT ISN'T WARMING
AS FAST.

Nam says AND, COURTNEY, YOU ARE THE
PRESIDENT OF THE CANADIAN
PHYSICIANS FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO
ACCUSATIONS OF ALARMISM IN THE
WORK THAT YOU DO THERE?

The caption changes to "Courtney Howard. Emergency Room Physician. @courtghoward."

Courtney says SO, WE ACTUALLY DON'T GET
ACCUSED OF THAT VERY OFTEN,
BUT I THINK THAT THE BASIS OF
THAT IS THAT IT'S ALL SCARY
FOR PEOPLE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE... YOU
KNOW, WE'RE FACING A SITUATION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEING CALLED A
CRISIS;
IT'S BEING CALLED AN EMERGENCY.
AND WHEN I WORK IN THE EMERGENCY
DEPARTMENT, AND I TELL PEOPLE
THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A NEW
DIAGNOSIS AND IT'S... YOU KNOW,
SAY IT'S CANCER, AND, YOU KNOW,
"WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DO THIS
THING AND THAT THING
AND THAT THING,"
NOBODY LIKES THAT INFORMATION,
YOU KNOW?
IT MAKES PEOPLE FEEL SAD;
IT MAKES THEM SCARED;
IT MAKES THEM WONDER HOW
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE
TO CHANGE THEIR LIVES.
AND IT GENERATES A LOT
OF EMOTION IN PEOPLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S
NATURAL THAT THE CONVERSATIONS
AROUND CLIMATE CHANGE ELICIT
STRONG EMOTIONS IN PEOPLE.
AND I THINK INSTEAD OF BECOMING
SO CONFRONTATIONAL ABOUT IT,
I THINK IT WILL BE MORE HELPFUL
IF WE START TO ASK OURSELVES,
"WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM?"
BECAUSE ONCE WE DO THAT,
I THINK IT'S A LOT EASIER
TO HAVE COMPASSION
FOR ONE ANOTHER.
IT'S ABOUT EVERYBODY NEEDING TO
MAKE CHANGES IN THEIR LIVES
SO THAT THEY ALIGN WITH
A PATH THAT WILL PULL US
FORWARD TOGETHER TO
A HEALTHY FUTURE.
AND LET'S JUST HAVE A
CONVERSATION AS HUMANS, INSTEAD
OF AS SORT OF OPPONENTS.
BUT AT ITS BASE, I THINK IT'S
JUST BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S SCARED.

Nam says WELL, DIANNE, IN YOUR
FINAL REPORT TO
THE ONTARIO LEGISLATURE,
WE FIND THIS STATEMENT.
YOU WROTE...

A quote appears on screen, under the title "Overcoming barriers." The quote reads "Ontarians face behavioural, systemic, and market barriers to reducing energy waste, and need supportive government action to overcome them. Yet Ontario recently cancelled its climate-polluter-pay system, and most other programs to reduce fossil fuel use. Without effective government action to conserve energy, especially fossil fuels, Ontario will continue to damage its finances, climate and well-being."
Quoted from "A healthy, happy, prosperous Ontario." March, 2019.

Nam says ON THE ENERGY CONSERVATION
FRONT, WHICH MEASURES WOULD YOU
LIKE TO SEE ONTARIO... THE ONTARIO
GOVERNMENT PUT IN PLACE TO
REDUCE OUR
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS?

The caption changes to "Policy solutions."

Dianne says WELL, ABSOLUTELY.
AS COURTNEY HAS ALREADY SAID, WE
KNOW THAT... ONLY THREE BIG TOOLS
THAT REDUCE POLLUTION.
PUTTING A PRICE ON POLLUTION.
POLLUTION... WHEN POLLUTION'S
FREE, YOU GET MORE OF IT.
AND WE'VE GOT REALLY GOOD
EXPERIENCE WITH THAT IN ONTARIO.
AND CAP AND TRADE WORKED
REMARKABLY WELL IN ONTARIO,
IN THE SHORT PERIOD
OF TIME WE HAD IT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE MONEY TO INVEST
IN SOLUTIONS, AND THAT'S AGAIN
WHAT A CARBON TAX OR CAP AND
TRADE CAN PROVIDE... MONEY
TO INVEST IN SOLUTIONS.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE SAW
IN ONTARIO IS THAT ALL THE MONEY
WAS GOING INTO SOLUTIONS.
AND THE ONLY OTHER TOOL WE
HAVE IS REGULATION,
WHICH IS GENERALLY MORE
EXPENSIVE BUT CAN WORK.
SO, THOSE ARE THE
THREE TOOLS THAT WORK.
AND RIGHT NOW... AND WE WERE ON
THE TRACK TO DOING ALL OF THEM,
AND RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT
REALLY DOING ANY OF THEM.

NAM SAYS DID YOU WANT TO ADD
ANYTHING TO WHAT COURTNEY SAID
ABOUT THE FEAR
AND THE WELL-BEING?

Dianne says WELL, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT... I BROUGHT A CHART... WAS
JUST HOW MUCH WE'RE SEEING IN
TERMS OF ACTUALLY INSURED LOSSES
IN ONTARIO.
AND, WELL, YOU
CAN SEE IT THERE.

A bar chart appears under the title "Insured losses in Ontario due to catastrophic events."

The chart shoes that the losses have increased dramatically over the last few years, particularly after the 2013 Toronto floods.

DIANNE SAYS THIS HAS NOT
GOT ANY INFLATION IN IT.
IT'S ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION;
IT'S ADJUSTED
FOR THE WEALTH EFFECT.
THESE ARE REAL CHANGES
THAT ARE... WE'RE SEEING... WE'RE
STARTING TO SEE JUST AS CLIMATE
CHANGE IS TAKING OFF, RIGHT?
IT'S JUST STARTING TO GET GOING.
IT'S NOT THAT WE'VE
REACHED A NEW NORMAL.
AND SO PEOPLE ARE
STARTING TO SEE THE IMPACTS.
PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO BE
ABLE TO SEE IN THEIR OWN LIVED
EXPERIENCE THAT THE WORLD IS
CHANGING IN REALLY SCARY WAYS.
AND IT'S NOT THAT WE'VE REACHED
A NEW NORMAL; IT'S THAT THE
INSTABILITY IS JUST
STARTING TO ACCELERATE.
SO, OF COURSE
THAT'S FRIGHTENING.
AND WE ALL WOULD DEARLY
LIKE IT NOT TO BE TRUE.
I MEAN, EVERY CLIMATE SCIENTIST
IN THE WORLD I THINK WOULD BE
INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL IF CLIMATE
CHANGE WAS A HOAX,
BECAUSE IT IS SO SCARY.
AND IT'S GOING TO AFFECT
EVERYTHING WE CARE ABOUT.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, IF WE... IF
WE GIVE UP,
THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY HOPE.
SO IF WE CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE,
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TASK
WE'VE GOT.
WE NEED TO BE WORKING ON IT.
WE ALL NEED TO BE WORKING ON IT.
PRETENDING IT'S NOT HAPPENING
ISN'T GOING TO MAKE IT
ANY BETTER.

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Nam says AND I GUESS WHEN WE'RE
COMMUNICATING IT,
I THINK TERMINOLOGY ALSO
MIGHT GET IN THE WAY.
FOR EXAMPLE, GREG, ONE CRITICISM
OF THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION OF
CLIMATE CHANGE IS THAT SOMETIMES
WE CONFUSE CLIMATE AND WEATHER.
CAN YOU DRAW THE
DISTINCTIONS FOR US, PLEASE?

The caption changes to "Is it climate or weather?"

A map of western Canada and the U.S. appears on screen highlighting the location of Victoria, B.C.

Greg says SURE.
AND THAT IS A
CONFUSION THAT YOU SEE A LOT.
YOU KNOW, YOU READ THESE THINGS
OR HEAR THESE THINGS, THAT, YOU
KNOW, THERE'S A COLD DAY,
AND SOMEONE SAYS,
"WELL, SEE, OBVIOUSLY CLIMATE
IS NOT CHANGING BECAUSE
IT'S COLD OUTSIDE."
WELL, WEATHER IS THE DAY-TO-DAY
VARIABILITY THAT IS WITH US, HAS
ALWAYS BEEN WITH US, AND
WILL CONTINUE TO BE WITH US.
SO IN THE FUTURE, AS THE CLIMATE
WARMS, WE WILL STILL SEE HOT
DAYS AND COLD DAYS, AND WET
GREYS, AND DRY DAYS, AND WARM
YEARS, AND COLD
YEARS, AND SO ON.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WEATHER
AND CLIMATE IS THAT CLIMATE IS
THE LONG-TERM AVERAGE
OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
AND IT IS THAT LONG-TERM AVERAGE
THAT IS CHANGING.
AS A RESULT OF THE CHANGES IN
COMPOSITION IN THE ATMOSPHERE,
THE INCREASES OF GREENHOUSE
GASES IN THE ATMOSPHERE THAT
CAUSE MORE HEAT TO
BE TRAPPED NEAR THE
SURFACE, CAUSES MORE WARMING.
THAT WARMING HAS MANY OTHER
IMPLICATIONS ON THE WATER CYCLE,
ON THE SNOW, ON ICE,
ON VARIOUS THINGS.
SO, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT I LIKE
TO DESCRIBE IT IS THINKING
ABOUT DICE.
YOU KNOW, EVERYONE HAS THROWN A
DICE, AND IF YOU JUST THROW
A PROPER DIE, YOU WILL GET, YOU
KNOW, A SIX SOMETIMES;
YOU'LL GET A ONE SOMETIMES;
YOU'LL GET A TWO SOMETIMES.
AND THEY WILL BE
EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED.
IT'S A FAIR DICE.
NOW, IF YOU START TO LOAD THAT
DICE A LITTLE BIT, YOU WILL... YOU
WILL STILL GET ONES AND SIXES
AND TWOS AND FOURS,
BUT IF YOU LOAD IT IN A
PARTICULAR WAY,
YOU WILL START TO GET MORE
SIXES AND LESS ONES.
AND THE MORE YOU LOAD THE DICE,
THE MORE SIXES AND LESS ONES
THAT YOU WILL GET.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SEE IN
MANY OF THESE EXTREMES.
THE AVERAGE IS CHANGING; THE
HOT EXTREMES ARE GETTING HOTTER;
THE COLD EXTREMES
ARE GETTING LESS COLD.
THAT'S THE... SO THERE'S STILL
COLD DAYS AND HOT DAYS,
BUT THE AVERAGES ARE CHANGING.
AND THEN AS A RESULT, THOSE
EXTREMES CHANGE ALONG WITH THEM.

NAM SAYS DIANNE, A MOMENT AGO,
YOU MENTIONED INSURANCE.
AND THERE'S BEEN SOME
CONTROVERSY OVER THE INSURANCE
INDUSTRY'S CONNECTION
TO UNIVERSITY RESEARCH.
AND I AM SPEAKING IN THIS
INSTANT ABOUT THE INTACT CENTRE
ON CLIMATE ADAPTATION AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF WATERLOO.
SHOULD WE BE CONCERNED THAT WE
MIGHT BE GETTING SKEWED DATA?

The caption changes to "Flood warning."

Dianne says WELL, WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE
CONCERNED WHETHER WE'RE GETTING
SKEWED DATA, BUT THE PEOPLE
WE'RE GETTING SKEWED DATA FROM
RIGHT NOW ARE
CERTAIN POLITICAL PARTIES.
NOT FROM THE UNIVERSITIES.
I THINK WE'RE REALLY LUCKY
THAT IN THIS CASE, THE INSURANCE
COMPANIES HAVE BEEN WILLING TO
PUT SOME MONEY UP IN TERMS OF,
"HOW DO WE REDUCE THE DAMAGE
THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS ALREADY
STARTING TO CAUSE?"
BECAUSE YOU SAW FROM THE CHART,
IT'S ALREADY WELL OVER
A BILLION DOLLARS...

NAM SAYS BUT YOU CAN SEE WHY PEOPLE
COULD BE SKEPTICAL, RIGHT,
BECAUSE THEY
STAND TO GAIN AND...

Dianne says WELL, I DON'T... YOU SEE,
I THINK THAT'S WRONG.
THE SUGGESTION THAT INSURANCE
COMPANIES STAND TO GAIN, I... BY
STUDYING CLIMATE CHANGE IS
COMPLETELY BACKWARDS TO ME.
INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE PAYING
HEAVILY, BUT INSURANCE COMPANIES
ARE NOT CHARITIES.
THEY JUST RAISE
THEIR RATES, RIGHT?
THEY'RE NOT WORSE OFF
WHEN THERE'S MORE DAMAGE.
IN FACT, IN SOME WAYS, THEY'RE
BETTER OFF BECAUSE THEY GET...

NAM SAYS SO WHY WOULD THEY WANT IT
STUDIED, IF THEY'RE GAINING FROM
WHAT'S HAPPENING?

Dianne says I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S
ANYTHING PARTICULARLY IN IT
FOR THEM.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY CAN
SEE BETTER THAN MAYBE MANY OTHER
PEOPLE, THAT IN FACT THE CLIMATE
HAMMER IS STARTING TO HIT.
AND THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT PAYING
ATTENTION TO HOW IT HITS AND
WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND THEY ALSO HAVE A HANDS-ON
FAMILIARITY WITH HOW THIS REALLY
RAVAGES PEOPLE'S LIVES,
AND HOW HARD IT IS FOR PEOPLE
TO RECOVER.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY... I DON'T
SEE THAT... THIS ISN'T LIKE SUGAR
COMPANIES SPONSORING RESEARCH
ON WHY WE SHOULD DRINK MORE... EAT
MORE SUGAR.
THIS IS JUST ABOUT: HOW DO WE
MAKE OUR HOUSES MORE RESILIENT?
HOW DO WE REDUCE
THE ECONOMIC DAMAGE?
BECAUSE IT'S
GETTING OUT OF CONTROL.
AND IT'S NOT JUST HOMES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THE INSURANCE
BUREAU POINTED OUT EARLIER THIS
YEAR... THEY PAID 1.3
BILLION dollars LAST YEAR.
WELL, FOR EVERY BILLION THEY
PAY IN LAWSUITS, WE'RE PROBABLY
SUFFERING 3 BILLION dollars IN DAMAGE
TO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE... THE
STUFF WE ALL OWN TOGETHER.
AND THERE'S NO
MONEY TO FIX THAT.
SO, WE SHOULD CERTAINLY BE
PAYING ATTENTION TO THE SOURCE
OF THE DATA, WHETHER IT'S
LEGITIMATE,
WHETHER IT'S JUSTIFIED.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE GREAT
THINGS ABOUT MY OFFICE,
BEFORE WE WERE ELIMINATED.
IT IS WAS OUR JOB SPECIFICALLY
TO PROVIDE NONPARTISAN DATA,
BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE
WONDERING WHO THEY CAN TRUST.
BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN... I'VE LOOKED
CLOSELY AT THE INTACT CENTRE
REPORTS, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN
ANYTHING TO DOUBT IN THEM.

Nam says I WANT TO GO BACK TO TERMINOLOGY
FOR A QUICK SECOND, COURTNEY.
THE GUARDIAN
NEWSPAPER IN THE U.K.
RECENTLY DECIDED TO CHANGE
THE LANGUAGE IT USES WHEN IT'S
DISCUSSING CLIMATE CHANGE.
THEY NOW USE THE
TERM "CLIMATE CRISIS."
AND THE PHRASE, "GLOBAL HEATING
WILL REPLACE GLOBAL WARMING."
HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU
THINK THESE CHANGES WILL BE?

The caption changes to "Language issues."

Courtney says WELL, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO
SPEAK OF AN URGENT SITUATION IN
URGENT TERMS.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S
WHAT THEY'RE DOING,
AND THEY'RE HOPING THAT THAT
WILL SORT OF HELP PEOPLE
MOVE PAST THIS APATHY TO ACTION.
AND SO I THINK THAT THE THING WE
NEED TO BE CAREFUL OF RIGHT NOW,
WITH ALL OF THIS VERY URGENT
LANGUAGE, IS THAT OUR PLANS
MATCH THE URGENCY OF THE
LANGUAGE, OF THE DIAGNOSIS THAT
WE'RE MAKING.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE EMERGE,
IF WE CALL A CODE BLUE,
WE DON'T GO FOR COFFEE,
YOU KNOW?
LIKE, THAT MEANS... AN EMERGENCY
MEANS YOU DROP WHAT YOU'RE
DOING; YOU COME; WE NEED ALL
HANDS ON DECK;
WE NEED TO HELP FIX
THE SITUATION.
AND SO IN THIS TIME OF
WILDFIRES, AND, YOU KNOW,
CAUSING SMOKE EXACERBATIONS
AND ASTHMA EXACERBATIONS AND
HEAT-RELATED ILLNESS, AND LYME
DISEASE MARCHING ACROSS CANADA,
AND PEOPLE IN THE NORTH FALLING
THROUGH UNSTABLE ICE, YOU KNOW,
THIS IS AN EMERGENCY.
WE HAVE A SMALL TIME-WINDOW IN
WHICH TO ACT, BUT WE NEED PLANS
THAT MATCH THE URGENCY OF WHAT
WE'RE USING IN OUR LANGUAGE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE
ON CLIMATE CHANGE IN THE U.K.
HAS JUST PRODUCED A REPORT
THAT'S AN ITEMIZED PLAN ON HOW
THE U.K. COULD GET
TO NET-ZERO BY 2050.
LIKE, THAT'S THE KIND OF
THING WE NEED TO DO TO MATCH THE
URGENCY OF THE
LANGUAGE WE'RE USING.
IF WE JUST CHANGE THE LIGHT
BULBS, WE MISS OUR ONE CHANCE TO
HAVE USED THIS LANGUAGE AND
GOTTEN THE RESULT THAT WE WANT
OUT OF OUR POPULATIONS,
AND, YOU KNOW,
THE HEALTHY FUTURE WE WANT.

Nam says DIANNE, WHAT DO YOU THINK,
BECAUSE I THINK SOME PEOPLE
MIGHT THINK THIS IS
ALARMIST BY CHANGING A LANGUAGE?

Dianne says WELL, SCIENTISTS HAVE BEEN
POLITELY WARNING US FOR
30 YEARS, RIGHT?
THE VERY SAME 30 YEARS IN WHICH
HALF OF THE CLIMATE POLLUTION
THAT'S EVER OCCURRED, HAS BEEN
DUMPED IN THE ATMOSPHERE,
HAS BEEN WHILE SCIENTISTS HAVE
BEEN TELLING US THESE VARIOUS
SAME THINGS.
AND IT HASN'T WORKED.
MOST PEOPLE HAVE NOT RESPONDED.
SO, I THINK WE DO
NEED THE LANGUAGE.
I'M A STRONG SUPPORTER OF
MUNICIPAL CLIMATE
EMERGENCY DECLARATIONS.
AND CANADA'S A
WORLD LEADER ON THIS.
AND NOW WHAT WE NEED, EXACTLY
AS COURTNEY HAS SAID,
IS FOR GOVERNMENTS AT OUR
LEVEL TO RECOGNIZE THIS IS
THE LARGEST EMERGENCY WE FACE.
AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.
SO WE SEE VANCOUVER, FOR
EXAMPLE, THEY'VE JUST PASSED
THEIR CLIMATE EMERGENCY RESPONSE
PLAN WHERE THEY ARE MAKING
SERIOUS CHANGES TO HOW MUNICIPAL
GOVERNMENT OPERATES
AND WHAT THEY'RE
TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
AND WE NEED TO SEE
THAT RIGHT ACROSS CANADA.
WHAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW IS
THAT PLACES THAT HAVE HAD AN
EMERGENCY, THEY'VE HAD A
FLOOD OR A FIRE OR WHATEVER,
ARE STARTING TO WAKE UP.
AND THE PLACES THAT HAVEN'T HAD
ONE YET THINK,
"AH, DON'T WORRY; WE
CAN JUST ADAPT."
BUT WE CAN'T.
WE HAVE NOW TO DO BOTH TWO
DIFFICULT THINGS, BOTH TO AVOID
THE UNMANAGEABLE, BECAUSE IF WE
CONTINUE TO POLLUTE THE CLIMATE
THE WAY WE ARE, IT'S
GOING TO BE UNMANAGEABLE.
AND WE HAVE TO
MANAGE THE UNAVOIDABLE... BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DONE
SO MUCH DAMAGE AND MORE
IS LOCKED IN.
AND THERE IS NO TIME TO WASTE.
PEOPLE DON'T SEE IT YET BECAUSE
OUR LIVES HAVEN'T CHANGED VERY
MUCH YET, UNLESS YOU HAPPEN
TO BE ONE OF THE THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN AFFECTED
BY A FIRE OR A FLOOD OR A WIND
STORM OR LYME DISEASE OR
ONE OF THOSE SORT OF THINGS.
BUT THOSE NUMBERS ARE GROWING.
AND FOR ALL THE REST OF US,
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME.
AND WE HAVE A FAIRLY... AS
COURTNEY SAYS,
WE HAVE A FAIRLY SHORT WINDOW TO
CHANGE THE DIRECTION.
AND THE CRAZY THING IS WE'D
BE BETTER OFF IF WE DID IT!
WE WOULD HAVE BETTER PUBLIC
HEALTH; WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER
ECONOMY; WE WOULD HAVE MORE
LOCAL JOBS; WE WOULD BE DRAINING
LESS MONEY OUT OF THE ECONOMY.
WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF BY
REDUCING OUR FOSSIL FUELS.
AND HERE IN ONTARIO,
WHICH IS WHAT I STUDIED,
WE IMPORT ESSENTIALLY ALL
OUR FOSSIL FUELS.
75 percent OF OUR ECONOMY IS DEPENDENT
ON IMPORTED FOSSIL FUELS.
THAT'S 16 TO 25 BILLION dollars
THAT WE DRAIN OUT OF THE ECONOMY
EVERY YEAR.
SO, WE ARE LOCKING OURSELVES TO
A BAD, OLD ECONOMY WHOSE FUTURE
IS REALLY IN DOUBT, AND GIVING
UP THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A
NEW ECONOMY THAT ALSO
GIVES US A CHANCE TO SURVIVE.
JUST AFTER ONTARIO TORE UP OUR
PRICE ON CARBON, THE ECONOMISTS
OF THE WORLD AWARDED THE NOBEL
PRIZE FOR ECONOMICS TO WHO?
WILLIAM NORDHAUS, PROVING THAT
HAVING A PRICE ON CARBON IS THE
BEST THING IF YOU
CARE ABOUT YOUR ECONOMY.

Nam says THIS IS WHY WE WANTED TO HAVE
THIS CONVERSATION TO SEPARATE
THE FACT FROM THE FICTION.
AND, GREG, I JUST WANTED TO
BRING YOU BACK INTO THIS.
IS THERE ANY PLAN FOR YOUR
ORGANIZATION TO TOUGHEN UP THE
LANGUAGE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT THE CLIMATE CRISIS?

Greg says IT'S ALWAYS A DIFFICULT
THING FOR SCIENTISTS.
SO, DIANNE KIND OF
ALLUDED TO THIS.
AS SCIENTISTS, WE'VE BEEN
STUDYING CLIMATE
FOR A LONG TIME.
PERSONALLY, I... THIS IS... I'VE
BEEN WORKING IN THIS AREA
FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS NOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, OUR ROLE... AND I
BELIEVE THAT IT'S OUR ROLE... IS
TO BE OBJECTIVE AND CONCRETE AND
LAY OUT THE FACTS AND LAY OUT
OUR UNDERSTANDING.
AND I THINK IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR
MANY SCIENTISTS... AND MANY OF MY
COLLEAGUES ARE STRUGGLING WITH
THIS CHALLENGE... AS TO HOW MUCH
TO GET INTO A MODE OF BEING
PERCEIVED AS ACTIVISTS BUT
RETAIN YOUR CREDIBILITY AS
AN... AS AN OBJECTIVE SCIENTIST.
THAT'S A FINE LINE
THAT ONE HAS TO WALK.
BUT I THINK THE FACTS SPEAK
TO THE URGENCY BY THEMSELVES.
AND THERE ARE MANY... YOU KNOW,
THE OBSERVATIONAL FACT THAT THE
CLIMATE IS WARMING, THE PHYSICAL
UNDERSTANDING
OF WHY IT'S WARMING DUE TO
EMISSION OF GREENHOUSE GASES.
THE IMPORTANT ONE FOR ME IS THE
FACT THAT IT'S SO VERY NEARLY
IRREVERSIBLE, THAT IS THE AMOUNT
OF CARBON THAT WE PUT INTO THE
ATMOSPHERE STAYS IN THE
ATMOSPHERE FOR MANY CENTURIES.
SO EVEN IF WE STOPPED
EMISSIONS ALTOGETHER, TODAY... THE WARMING THAT WE HAVE
ALREADY EXPERIENCED IS LOCKED IN
FOR CENTURIES.
AND SO WE DON'T... THAT'S THE... A
MESSAGE THAT I THINK IS NOT WELL
ENOUGH UNDERSTOOD BY PEOPLE,
IS THAT IT'S... THE... WHAT WE'VE
ALREADY DONE IS LOCKED IN, AND
EVERY INCREMENT THAT WE CONTINUE
TO PUT GREENHOUSE GASES
INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, INCREASES
TEMPERATURE, AND THAT WILL
REMAIN FOR A LONG TIME, UNLESS
WE CAN IMPLEMENT TECHNOLOGICAL
STRATEGIES TO ACTUALLY TAKE IT
BACK OUT OF THE ATMOSPHERE,
WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
IT'S MUCH MORE REASONABLE TO
AVOID PUTTING IT IN THAN TAKING
IT OUT.
SO IT'S THOSE KIND OF THINGS
THAT MAKE IT SEEM URGENT AND
COMPELLING TO ME.
AND I GUESS THE COMMUNICATION OF
THAT IS... AND THE MOTIVATION FOR
THAT HAS TO COME FROM OTHERS.
I THINK FROM A SCIENTIFIC
PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE CAN DO IS
PRESENT THOSE COLD, HARD
FACTS, AND LET THEM SPEAK FOR
THEMSELVES, OR LET OTHERS, YOU
KNOW, REITERATE THEIR IMPORTANCE
AND URGENCY.

Nam says COURTNEY, I WANT
TO END WITH YOU.
CLIMATE CHANGE CAN SEEM LIKE A
PROBLEM THAT'S
BEYOND INDIVIDUAL ACTION.
IS THERE A PIECE OF ADVICE THAT
YOU CAN GIVE TO PEOPLE WHO WANT
TO DO SOMETHING BUT THEY
DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS?

The caption changes to "Taking action."

Courtney says SO WE'RE SEEING WITH... AND
PARTICULARLY WITH ALL THE KID
STRIKES... AND WE KNOW THAT MORE
ARE COMING; THERE'S GOING TO BE
A BIG ONE IN SEPTEMBER... A LOT OF
PARENTS ARE NEWLY GETTING THIS
MESSAGE FROM THEIR CHILDREN,
YOU KNOW, VIA GRETA THUNBERG.
AND SO WE'RE SEEING A WHOLE
NEW GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE REALLY
INTERESTED IN TAKING ACTION.

NAM SAYS THAT'S THE YOUNG
LADY FROM EUROPE, RIGHT?
YEAH, WHO'S THIS INCREDIBLE

Courtney says COMMUNICATOR, AND JUST REALLY
LAYS OUT, LIKE, "LOOK, WE
NEED TO DO SOMETHING NOW."
AND SO THINGS WE CAN DO IN OUR
PERSONAL LIVES THAT ARE GOOD FOR
HEALTH, AS WELL AS FOR THE
CLIMATE, ARE MOVE TO A MORE
PLANT-RICH DIET, WHICH IS
EXACTLY WHAT CANADA'S NEW
FOOD GUIDE HAS RECOMMENDED
TO US, WHICH IS AMAZING.
WE CAN TRY TO GET TO WHERE
WE'RE GOING ON OUR OWN TWO FEET.
SO CYCLING ACTUALLY
REDUCES MORTALITY.
THERE ARE VERY
FEW THINGS THAT DO.
LIKE, I COULDN'T GIVE ANYBODY
A PILL THAT REDUCED MORTALITY,
OTHER THAN MAYBE, YOU KNOW,
LIKE SOME KIND OF A VITAMIN.
SO, YOU KNOW, CYCLING, WALKING.
AND WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THAT IS
YOU GET INTO NATURE,
SO THEN YOU GET THE HEALTH
BENEFITS OF NATURE.
YOU GET TO SEE YOUR COMMUNITY.
ALSO, HEALTHY ENERGY.
SO, HOW CAN WE MAKE ELECTRICITY
IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T CREATE
THIS AIR POLLUTION THAT GIVES
PEOPLE ASTHMA EXACERBATIONS AND
REDUCES THE LENGTH OF THEIR LIFE?
AND SO SOMETHING WE DID IN MY
COMMUNITY IN YELLOWKNIFE WAS WE
HAD A SOLAR PANEL CO-OP
A COUPLE OF SUMMERS AGO.
AND SO WE GOT TOGETHER; WE HAD
SOME POTLUCKS; WE FIGURED OUT
WHO NEEDED WHICH SOLAR
PANELS; WE DID A BULK-BUY.
SO, WE SAVED OURSELVES MONEY;
WE BUILT COMMUNITY; WE HAVE LIKE
SORT OF NEW BLING IN
OUR NEIGHBOURHOOD.
AND IT LETS OUR KIDS KNOW
THAT WE CARE ABOUT THEIR FUTURE.
SO THOSE THINGS
ARE SUPER IMPORTANT.
BUT REALLY, LIKE, WE NEED TO
CHANGE THE SYSTEM SO IT'S JUST
EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE
HEALTHIER CHOICES
IN A CHEAPER WAY.
AND SO WE DO THAT BY VOTING.
SO IN THE SUMMER, YOU KNOW,
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE,
YOU KNOW, STARTING TO TALK ABOUT
THE ELECTION, AND IT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT THAT ON THIS
PARTICULAR ELECTION CANADIANS
LET OUR POLITICAL PARTIES KNOW
THAT IT IS UNACCEPTABLE TO DO
ANYTHING OTHER THAN HAVE A PLAN
THAT GETS US A HEALTHY RESPONSE
TO CLIMATE CHANGE.
LIKE, IT'S NOT THE TIME FOR
ANYTHING OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW,
AN ITEMIZED PLAN THAT WILL HAVE
THE RESULT THAT WE NEED SO WE
CAN PROVIDE A HEALTHY
FUTURE TO OUR KIDS.
SO HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS
WITH YOUR FRIENDS, HAVING THOSE
CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR FRIENDS
AND FAMILY, LETTING YOUR KIDS
KNOW THAT YOU CARE AND THAT
YOU'RE WORKING FOR THEIR HEALTH
AND SAFETY, I THINK THAT'S GOING
TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE US A LOT TO
ENJOY THIS SUMMER.
AND HAVE US... YOU KNOW, GIVE US
THE VISION OF A HEALTHY,
HOPEFUL FUTURE THAT WE ALL WANT.

The caption changes to "Producer: Gregg Thurlbeck, @GreggThurlbeck."

Nam says AND WITH THAT, I THANK YOU ALL
SO MUCH FOR MAKING SOME TIME
FOR US TONIGHT.
WE'VE ALL LEARNED
SO MUCH FROM YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.

DIANNE SAYS WELL, THANK
YOU FOR HAVING US.

COURTNEY SAYS THANKS, IT WAS GREAT.

NAM SAYS AND THANK YOU, GREG.

GREG SAYS THANK YOU.

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Nam says AND THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT'S
AGENDA IN THE SUMMER.
I'M NAM KIWANUKA.
THANKS FOR WATCHING TVO, AND FOR
JOINING US ONLINE AT TVO.ORG.
WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT TIME.

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