Transcript: The Agenda's Week in Review | Feb 15, 2019

Nam stands in the studio. She's in her early forties, with shoulder length curly brown hair. She's wearing glasses and a black blazer over a blue blouse.
A wall screen behind her reads "The week in review."

Nam says THE AGENDA THIS WEEK
ASSESSED CANADA'S NEW FOOD
GUIDE; LEARNED WHY
OVERPOPULATION ISN'T QUITE THE
ISSUE SOME THOUGHT IT WAS; HEARD
HOW RETIREMENT LIVING IS DUE FOR
A COMPLETE OVERHAUL; AND CHECKED
IN ON THE STATE OF PARTISAN
POLITICS.
THE AGENDA'S WEEK IN REVIEW
BEGINS CONFRONTING FEMICIDE IN ONTARIO.

Music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Nam sits with female guests.

A caption on screen reads "Fighting femicide in Ontario. A search for solutions."

The caption changes to "Farrah Khan. Ryerson University."

Farrah is in her thirties, with long straight chestnut hair. She's wearing a light gray blazer over a black shirt.

She says I THINK IN ONTARIO WE HAVE A
GREAT DISSERVICE THAT'S HAPPENED
IN THIS PROVINCE BY THE
DISBANDING OF THE ONTARIO ROUND
TABLE ON VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN.
IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING
MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO THE TABLE
FROM LABOUR, STUDENT
ORGANIZATIONS, VIOLENCE AGAINST
WOMEN, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, SEXUAL
VIOLENCE, TOGETHER, AND LOOKING
AT THIS ISSUE.
WE HAD THE ABORIGINAL WOMEN'S
SHELTERS NETWORK ON THERE.
THE THING IS THAT THIS ISSUE,
WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT WOMEN GO TO
MULTIPLE SERVICES TO GET
SUPPORT.
THEY DON'T JUST GO TO A SHELTER.
THEY'RE GOING TO A COUNSELLING
PLACE.
THEY'RE GOING TO A SEXUAL
ASSAULT CENTRE.
THEY GO TO FIVE TO SEVEN
DIFFERENT SERVICES AND ALL THESE
SERVICES NEED TO BE FUNDED.
RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A
PIECEMEAL OF FUNDING, LIKE
SEXUAL VIOLENCE IS THIS DIRTY
LITTLE SECRET SERVICE.
WE CAN'T DO THAT.

The caption changes to "Assaulted women's helpline: AWHL.ORG; 1-866-863-0511."

Nam says YOU CAN'T SEPARATE THE TWO.

Farrah says YOU CANNOT.
YOU ACTUALLY NEED TO SUPPORT THAT.
I KNOW SEXUAL ASSAULT CENTRES
ARE STILL WAITING TO FIND OUT
WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE GENDER
BASED VIOLENCE ACTION PLAN THAT
WAS RELEASED ON MARCH 1ST, 201,
AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T RECEIVED
THEIR 33 percent INCREASE AND THERE'S
NO SIGN THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE.

Nam says DO YOU THINK THAT THIS
SITUATION... BECAUSE WHEN NEW
GOVERNMENTS COME IN, THEY ARE
ENTITLED TO FOCUS ON WHAT THEY
NEED TO FOCUS ON.

Farrah says RIGHT.

Nam says DO YOU THINK THIS IS A
PARTISAN ISSUE?

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Farrah says NO, AND I THINK THAT'S THE
THING WE HAVE TO REMIND PEOPLE
ALL THE TIME, THAT GENDER BASED
VIOLENCE, THE MURDER AND
FEMICIDE OF WOMEN, THE SEXUAL
ASSAULT OF WOMEN, THE SEXUAL
ASSAULT OF CHILDREN, RIGHT?
WE KNOW ONE IN THREE GIRLS, ONE
IN THREE WOMEN AND ONE IN SIX
MEN EXPERIENCE SEXUAL VIOLENCE
IN THEIR LIFETIME.
THAT'S A NON-PARTISAN ISSUE.
THAT'S A PEOPLE ISSUE.
IF WE CARE ABOUT THE PROSPERITY
OF THIS PROVINCE AND COUNTRY, WE
HAVE TO CARE ABOUT THIS.
WE KNOW IT COSTS OUR ECONOMY
12 BILLION DOLLARS EVERY YEAR, AT LEAST
THAT'S THE STAT WE GOT A NUMBER
OF YEARS AGO.
IT'S PROBABLY MORE NOW.
IT COSTS US 12 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR
NOT TO ADDRESS GENDER BASED
VIOLENCE.
YES, PEOPLE CAN CHANGE POWER.
IT SHOULDN'T MATTER WHAT
GOVERNMENT IS IN POWER TO
RECOGNIZE THIS IS A VITAL ISSUE
AND NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME NERVOUS.
IT SHOULDN'T BE BECAUSE IT'S
TRENDING.
Hashtag METOO WAS A BIG CONVERSATION
THAT HAPPENED.
BEFORE Hashtag METOO WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT JIAN GHOMESHI.
IN TORONTO, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT
NOW, WE HAD A HUGE MASS MURDER
OF WOMEN DURING THE VAN ATTACK
IN APRIL.
AND DURING THE ELECTION, WE
DIDN'T HEAR ANY OF THE
CANDIDATES SPEAK ABOUT MISOGYNY
AND GENDER BASED VIOLENCE.
IN THE FEDERAL ELECTION THAT'S
COMING UP, I WANT TO MAKE SURE
OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS
SPEAKING ABOUT THIS, AND IT'S
NOT TRENDY, IT'S NOT HURT ONE
COMMUNITY OVER ANOTHER.
WE'RE SAYING THIS IS VITAL.
PEOPLE NEED TO LIVE AND THRIVE
IN THIS PROVINCE AND COUNTRY.

Nam says SAMARA, YOU WERE IN AN
ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP.
YOU HAVE A SUCCESSFUL LIFE NOW.
WHAT MESSAGE WOULD YOU LIKE TO
SHARE WITH ANYONE WHO MAY BE
FEELING TRAPPED OR IN AN ABUSIVE
RELATIONSHIP AND IS AFRAID TO
LEAVE BECAUSE OF THEIR CHILDREN?

The caption changes to "Samra Zafar. University of Toronto."
Then, it changes again to "It can get better."

Samra is in her forties, with long reddish-brown hair. She's wearing a bright red blazer.

She says SO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE AS WELL
AS TALKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE
AND JUST EDUCATING MYSELF, I
KNOW THAT THE IMPACT ON CHILDREN
OF EXPERIENCING OUR LIVING WITH
FAMILY VIOLENCE, THEY DON'T JUST
WITNESS IT.
THEY EXPERIENCE IT, LIKE IT'S
HAPPENING TO THEM.
THE EFFECTS OF THAT TRAUMA LAST
FOREVER, AND I KNOW THAT AS A
PARENT, THAT I'M SUPPORTING MY
KIDS THROUGH THAT AND WE'RE
STILL HEALING AND WE'RE STILL
GETTING HELP, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU
THINK THAT BY... I DON'T WANT TO
LEAVE BECAUSE MY KIDS WILL LIVE
IN A SINGLE PARENT FAMILY OR I
DON'T WANT TO LEAVE BECAUSE
THEY'LL BE SEPARATED FROM THEIR
FATHER.
THAT, YES, IT IS DIFFICULT FOR
CHILDREN WHEN PARENTS SEPARATE,
BUT THE TRAUMA OF LIVING WITH
FAMILY VIOLENCE IS AN EVERYDAY
THING, AND THAT IS MUCH, MUCH
MORE DETRIMENTAL.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING I WISH OR
ANY REGRET THAT I HAVE IN MY
LIFE IS I WISH I COULD HAVE LEFT
SOONER FOR THE SAKE OF MY
CHILDREN SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO
EXPERIENCE THAT GROWING UP.
AND I THINK THE MESSAGE IS LIKE,
YOU KNOW, FOR A LOT OF WOMEN,
THEY REACH OUT AND THEY SAY,
WELL, IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO
LEAVE.
AND I WOULD SAY, YES, IT IS.
IT IS DIFFICULT.
IT IS GOING TO BE TOUGH BECAUSE
OF JUST THE LACK OF SUPPORT,
SOMETIMES A LACK OF AWARENESS,
SOMETIMES IT'S THE CULTURAL
BACKLASH.
EVEN THOUGH VIOLENCE AGAINST
WOMEN IS EXPERIENCED ACROSS
COMMUNITIES AND CULTURES BUT THE
EXPERIENCE OF IT, IT COULD BE
QUITE DIFFERENT, AND THE CULTURE
NUANCES ARE THERE AND THE LEVEL
OF SHAME AND STIGMA ASSOCIATED
WITH WALKING AWAY COULD BE
DIFFERENT FROM COMMUNITY TO
COMMUNITY.
YES, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT AND
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EASY AND
YOU CAN STILL DO IT.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE SUPPORT
SYSTEMS.
MAYBE NOT ALL DOORS WILL OPEN
BUT SOME WILL, AND THERE ARE
PEOPLE AROUND YOU THAT WILL
RALLY AROUND YOU AND YOU'VE JUST
GOT TO TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY
OF HEALING AND FIGHTING AND THEN
FIND THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO SUPPORT
YOU AND GET OUT OF IT.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER
SAID THAN DONE, BUT THERE IS...

Nam says TAKE THE FIRST STEP.

The caption changes to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

Samra says TO TAKE THE FIRST STEP IS THE
HARDEST BUT IT'S ALSO THE MOST NECESSARY ONE.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Nam sits with different guests. A caption on screen reads "Rethinking Canada's food system. Food guide, food policy."

Nam says DO YOU THINK THAT THE
FARMING INDUSTRY NEEDS TO DO A
BETTER JOB OF MARKETING ITSELF,
OR DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD FALL
ON THE GOVERNMENT?

The caption changes to "Crystal Mackay. Canadian Centre for Food Integrity."

Crystal is in her forties, with shoulder-length straight blond hair. She's wearing a blue blouse.

She says WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
MY ORGANIZATION, CENTRE FOR FOOD
INTEGRITY, STUDIES THAT.
WE ASK CANADIANS HOW WELL DO YOU
THINK THE FOOD SYSTEM IS DOING
ON TRANSPARENCY AND FARMERS ARE
RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE LIST
BOTH FOR CREDIBILITY, TRUST, AND
DOING A GOOD JOB.
BUT THE HIGH NUMBER WAS ONLY
34 percent.
SO EVEN AT SCHOOL IF YOU'RE
RIDING THE BELL CURVE YOU'RE NOT
GOING TO PASS FROM A 34 TO A 50,
IT'S STILL PRETTY LOW, AND IT
GOES DOWN FROM THERE, RETAIL,
AND FOOD AND GOVERNMENT SERVICE
IS REALLY LOW.
WE'RE IN AN EXCITING PLACE AND
I'M SURE YOUR GUESTS WILL AGREE
WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE
A BETTER CONVERSATION ABOUT
FOOD, A MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION
ABOUT FOOD, HOW IT'S GROWN,
SOCIAL, ENVIRONMENT, HEALTH,
STARTING AT THE FARM AND WORKING
ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO WHAT'S ON
YOUR PLATE OR WHAT'S NOT ON YOUR
PLATE IN THE CASE OF PEOPLE WHO
ARE FOOD INSECURE.
AND FARMERS ABSOLUTELY WANT TO
BE PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS
AND THEY'RE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT
THAT OPPORTUNITY.

Nam says MELANA, YOUR
ORGANIZATION WAS PART OF THE
CONVERSATION.
WHAT ROLE DID YOUR ORGANIZATION
PLAY IN THE CHANGES TO THE FOOD GUIDE?

The caption changes to "Melana Roberts. Food Secure Canada."

Melana is in her thirties, with long black hair in thin braids. She's wearing a black blazer over a white shirt.

She says SO WE ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED
IN THE LAUNCH OF THE FOOD GUIDE.
I'M CHAIR OF FOOD SECURE CANADA,
WHICH IS A PAN-CANADIAN
BILINGUAL ORGANIZATION THAT
WORKS TO SUPPORT THREE
INTERLOCKING GOALS OF HEALTHY
AND SAFE FOOD, SUSTAINABLE FOOD
SYSTEMS, AND ZERO HUNGER.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH
HEALTH CANADA IN PROVIDING
FEEDBACK.
I WOULD ACTUALLY ARGUE THAT'S
BEEN A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK
IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS AND THE
GUIDELINES AND THE INCREASED
TRANSPARENCY IN THE PROCESS TO
ADVISE AND CONSULT ON THE FOOD
GUIDE.
45,000 CANADIANS PARTICIPATED IN
CONSULTATIONS TO HELP PUT THEIR
INPUT INTO SHAPING WHAT THIS
FOOD GUIDE LOOKS LIKE.
I WOULD SAY THIS MIGHT NOT BE A
DOCUMENT SOMEONE HAS ON THEIR
FRIDGE BUT IT'S DEFINITELY
HELPING TO CONTRIBUTE AND SHAPE
WHAT CANADIANS ARE HAVING ON
THEIR PLATE, AND I'D LIKE TO
REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE FOOD
GUIDE IS ONE STEP.
IT'S A CORNERSTONE PIECE OF
POLICY, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY
TOOL TO THINK ABOUT OUR FOOD
SYSTEM AND HOW THINGS ARE BEING
SHAPED.
WE NEED A FOOD STRATEGY.
AND I THINK FOOD SECURE CANADA
WORKED VERY CLOSELY TO, LIKE
MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, TO
ENSURE THAT PUBLIC POLICY WAS
BEING PUT TOGETHER IN THE
INTERESTS OF THE PUBLIC AND NOT
IN THE INTERESTS SOLELY OF
INDUSTRY, WHICH PAST FOOD GUIDES
ARGUABLY HAVE.
ENSURING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS
A FOOD GUIDE THAT TAKES INTO
ACCOUNT THE HEALTH OF CANADIANS
AND TAKES INTO ACCOUNT
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AS WELL,
TO SOMETHING COMPREHENSIVE AND
HOLISTIC THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF
THE KEY CONCERNS THAT WE'RE
FACING.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Nam says YOU MENTIONED 45,000 CANADIANS.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE
COUNTRY, THAT'S LIKE A TINY,
TINY PERCENTAGE OF THE COUNTRY.

Melana says IF YOU THINK ABOUT PUBLIC
CONSULTATION PROCESSES, THAT'S
ACTUALLY A VERY VAST NUMBER.
MOST GOVERNMENT CONSULTATIONS
ONLY GET A COUPLE THOUSAND
PEOPLE PARTICIPATING.
SO TO HAVE THAT KIND OF
ENGAGEMENT THROUGH A VERY SHORT
WINDOW PROCESS, THIS WAS THOUGHT
THROUGH QUICKLY ONCE THIS WAS
ANNOUNCED IN MANDATE LETTERS,
IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE REMARKABLE.
JUST TO NOTE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS
AN ISSUE THAT I SAID ISN'T ONLY
ABOUT FARMERS AND ONLY ABOUT THE
ENVIRONMENT, BUT THIS IS ALSO AN
ISSUE THAT IS REALLY WEIGHING ON
OUR SYSTEM, RIGHT?
YOU HAVE THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF
DEATHS IN CANADA IS ACTUALLY
DIET-RELATED.
YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT
13 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
THAT'S CRIPPLING FOR PROVINCIAL
GOVERNMENTS.
AND YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THINGS
BEING ADDRESSED WHEN YOU'RE
THINKING ABOUT TYPE 2 DIABETES,
YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT
CANCER-RELATED DIETS... SORRY,
CANCER RELATED TO DIETS, YOU'RE
THINKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE
CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE.
SO THESE ARE THINGS WHERE WE CAN
GET AHEAD OF THE GAME AND
ACTUALLY HAVE AN IMPACT, AND I
THINK IT STARTS WITH, AS CECILIA
MENTIONED, INSTITUTIONAL
PROCUREMENT AND THINKING ABOUT
WHAT DO WE HAVE IN OUR PUBLIC
INSTITUTIONS, WHETHER THEY BE
SCHOOLS OR HOSPITALS, TO START
TO SHAPE THE FOOD SYSTEM
HOLISTICALLY.
AND I THINK FARMERS HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF THAT
CHANGE, AND...

Nam says YOUR ORGANIZATION
DEALS WITH YOUTH.
WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S IMPORTANT
TO ENGAGE YOUTH IN FOOD POLICY?

The caption changes to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

Melana says WELL, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT
OF REASONS.
I THINK THE AVERAGE YOUNG PERSON
DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS
UNDERSTAND HOW POLICY IS
IMPACTING THEIR EVERYDAY.
LET'S FACE IT, YOUNG PEOPLE ARE
THE FUTURE THAT ARE GOING TO BE
INHERITING ALL THESE DECISIONS
WE'RE MAKING NOW.
IF WE WANT THESE POLICIES TO BE
SUCCESSFUL, YOUNG PEOPLE NEED A
SEAT AT THE TABLE TO MAKE THOSE
DECISIONS.
SO LOOK AT FARMERS TODAY.
THE AVERAGE FARMER IS AT AGE 55
OR OLDER.
SO WE NEED TO CLEAR THE SPACE TO
HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESS
TO CAPITAL AND LAND AND
RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO ADAPT,
TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE FARMING,
FARMING IN A MORE SUSTAINABLE
WAY, FARMING IN A WAY THAT ALSO
TAKES INTO ACCOUNT BEING ABLE TO
PUT FOOD ON YOUR OWN TABLE, AND
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
HEARING FROM YOUNG PEOPLE AND
THAT'S WHAT THE FOOD GUIDE NEEDS
TO BE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT.

Nam says AM I CORRECT THAT YOUR
ORGANIZATION IS THE WORLD'S
FIRST YOUTH POLICY COUNCIL?

Melana says YES, WE ARE.

Nam says RIGHT HERE IN TORONTO.

says RIGHT HERE IN TORONTO.

Nam says THAT'S FANTASTIC.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, blue shirt, and purple tie.

A caption reads "The world's shrinking population. Do not fear overpopulation."

Steve says THERE'S A NOTION
THAT THIS POPULATION BOMB HAS
BEEN, OVER TIME, GATHERING STEAM
AND WILL EVENTUALLY AT SOME
POINT EXPLODE, IS ABOUT THE MOST
CONVENTIONAL WISDOM GOING TODAY
AND IN FACT YOU CAN GO DECADES,
IF NOT CENTURIES INTO THE PAST.
WHERE DID YOU GET THE NOTION
THAT THIS MIGHT NOT BE ACCURATE?

The caption changes to "John Ibbitson. The Globe and Mail."

John is in his late fifties, clean-shaven, with receding brown hair. He's wearing a black suit, white shirt, and checked red tie.

He says WELL, IT WAS IN FACT
SOMETHING THAT WE HAD BOTH BEEN
WATCHING FOR SOME YEARS.
THIS DEMOGRAPHER AND THEN THAT
DEMOGRAPHER AND THEN THAT
DEMOGRAPHER, WILLIAM LUTZ I
GUESS IS THE BEST KNOWN OF THEM
IN VIENNA, AND WE'RE SAYING, YOU
KNOW, THEY'RE JUST NOT TAKING
INTO ACCOUNT THIS AND THEY'RE
JUST NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT
THAT.
AND WHEN YOU DO TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT THIS AND THAT, YOU
DISCOVER IT DOESN'T GET TO
11 BILLION BY THE END OF THE
CENTURY, IT GETS TO AROUND
9 BILLION BY THE MIDDLE OF THE
CENTURY AND THEN IT STARTS TO GO DOWN.
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HUMAN
HISTORY, WE WILL BE OVER TIME
DELIBERATELY CULLING OURSELVES
BY HAVING FEWER BABIES THAN WE
NEED TO REPRODUCE.
AND THERE ARE GREAT THINGS ABOUT
THAT AND BAD THINGS ABOUT THAT
AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT IT, BUT THAT IS WHAT THIS
GROUP AND I THINK A GROWING BODY
OF EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OF THAT
GROUP SUGGESTS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

Steve says WE WILL GO DEEPER ON
THIS, OBVIOUSLY.
IS THAT ESSENTIALLY IN A
NUTSHELL WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES WE ARE
HAVING FEWER CHILDREN AND EVEN
IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES THEY'RE
HAVING FEWER CHILDREN.
IS THAT IT?

The caption changes to "Darrell Bricker. Ipsos Public Affairs."

Darrell is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He's wearing glasses, a spotted blue shirt and a black vest.

He says THE KEY TO THAT, THOUGH, IS
IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES.
BECAUSE THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN
TERMS OF A REDUCTION IN
FERTILITY IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES
IS A PRETTY WELL-ACCEPTED FACT
NOW.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO
GO TO THE NUMBERS.
JUST LOOK AT YOUR OWN FAMILIES
FOR THE MOST PART.
THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, PEOPLE
ARE HAVING TWO KIDS OR FEWER.
I MEAN, THE FERTILITY RATE OF
CANADA TODAY IS 1.6.
THAT MATCHES ALL THE NORDIC
COUNTRIES AND MATCHES ALL OF
WESTERN EUROPE.
IN FACT THEY GOT THEIR FASTER
AND NOW EUROPE IS BASICALLY
LOSING PEOPLE EVERY YEAR.
SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
BUT 40 percent OF THE WORLD'S
POPULATION LIVES IN TWO PLACES:
INDIA AND CHINA.
WHEN YOU FIND OUT THAT CHINA HAS
A BIRTH RATE OF 1.5 AND INDIA
HAS JUST BEEN REPORTED AT A
BIRTH RATE OF 2.1, YOU SIT BACK
AND SAY, WELL, MAYBE WE'RE NOT
GOING TO EXPLODE.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Steve says YOU GUYS ARE NOT
SETTING A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE. ONE KID.

Darrell says CORRECT.

Steve says NO KIDS.
YOU'RE NOT EXACTLY HOLDING UP
YOUR END OF THE BARGAIN HERE.

Darrell says WE ARE REPRESENTATIVE.

Steve says YOU ARE
REPRESENTATIVE.
THAT IS TRUE.
WHAT HAVE YOU FOUND TO BE SOME
OF THE MAJOR DRIVERS OF
POPULATION DECLINE?

The caption changes to "John Ibbitson, @johnibbitson."
The caption changes to "Connect with us: Twitter: @theagenda; Facebook, agendaconnect@tvo.org, Instagram."

John says THERE'S REALLY JUST ONE THAT
MATTERS MORE THAN ANY OTHER AND
IT'S URBANIZATION.
WHEN YOU MOVE FROM THE
COUNTRYSIDE TO THE CITY, A BUNCH
OF THINGS HAPPEN THAT RESULT IN
FEWER CHILDREN, AND FOR THE
FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, WE ARE
NOW A SPECIES THAT LIVES MOSTLY
IN CITIES.
RIGHT NOW 55 percent OF HUMANS LIVE IN
CITIES.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
YOU MOVE TO A CITY IS A CHILD
STOPS BEING AN ASSET AND BECOMES
A LIABILITY.

Steve says I LOVE THE WAY YOU
SCREW I THAT IN THE BOOK.
WHEN THEY'RE ON THE FARM.

John says IT'S ANOTHER PAIR OF HANDS TO
WORK IN THE FIELDS AND IN THE
CITY JUST ANOTHER MOUTH TO FEED.
ANOTHER THING ALMOST AS
IMPORTANT.
WHEN YOU MOVE FROM THE
COUNTRYSIDE TO THE CITY, WOMEN
ACQUIRE EDUCATION.
THEY HAVE ACCESS NOW TO STATE
SCHOOL SYSTEMS THAT THEY DIDN'T
HAVE WHEN THEY WERE OUT IN THE
VILLAGE.
THEY HAVE ACCESS TO MEDIA.
AND THEY HAVE ACCESS TO OTHER
WOMEN.
AND THEY BECOME BETTER EDUCATED.
AND AS SOON AS WOMEN BECOME
BETTER EDUCATED, AS SOON AS THEY
HAVE ANY KIND OF ABILITY TO
CONTROL ANY ASPECTS OF THEIR
DESTINY, THE FIRST THING THEY
DEMAND IS THE RIGHT TO HAVE SOME
CONTROL OVER THEIR OWN BODIES.
AND ONCE WOMEN HAVE SOME CONTROL
OVER THEIR OWN BODIES, THE FIRST
THING THEY DECIDE TO DO IS HAVE
FEWER CHILDREN.

The caption changes to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

John continues AND IT IS URBANIZATION THAT IS
LEADING TO AN ACCELERATION IN
THE DECLINE OF BIRTH RATES
THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPING WORLD
AND SOME OF THE BIGGEST
COUNTRIES IN THE DEVELOPING WORLD.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve sits with different guests.
A caption reads "The future of senior care."

Steve says THE DESIGN OF
RETIREMENT HOMES TODAY, HOW DO
YOU THINK 25 YEARS FROM NOW
WE'RE GOING TO REGARD THEM?

The caption changes to "Zayna Khayat. S.E. Health."
Then, it changes again to "Retiring the retirement home?"

Zayna is in her late thirties, with long straight brown hair. She's wearing a white mesh blazer over a black blouse.

She says SO I OFTEN THINK OF HOW WE
REGARD THAT WE INSTITUTIONALIZE
PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH,
RIGHT?
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO THINK
ABOUT.
WE DIDN'T THINK THAT OLDER
ADULTS COULD AGE IN THEIR HOMES.
IF YOU REMEMBER WAY BACK, TENTH
CENTURY, WHEN PEOPLE RETIRED WE
PUT THEM IN ALMS, THEN NURSING
HOMES, THEN FUNERAL HOMES.
THAT WHOLE EQUATION IS CHANGING
BECAUSE THE NEXT GENERATION IS
NOT GOING TO AGE THE WAY THEIR
PARENTS DID AND THEIR
GRANDPARENTS DID.

Steve says WHY IN WHICH CASE
HAVE WE DESIGNED THE SYSTEM
HISTORICALLY THE WAY WE HAVE
DESIGNED IT?

The caption changes to "Sue Lantz. Collaborative Aging."

Sue is in her mid fifties, with shoulder-length straight chestnut hair. She's wearing a black blazer over a blue blouse, and a dark stone necklace.

She says WE WEREN'T LIVING AS LONG,
NUMBER ONE.
WE WENT INTO A RETIREMENT HOME
FOR A FEW YEARS BEFORE WE MAY
HAVE GONE INTO A LONG-TERM CARE
OR NURSING HOME AND PASSED AWAY.
NOW WITH 30 YEARS OF LONGEVITY,
THE INSTITUTIONAL MODEL OF
RETIREMENT HOMES DOESN'T MAKE
ANY SENSE, AND PEOPLE WANT TO BE
PART OF COMMUNITIES, THEY WANT
TO BE PART OF NEIGHBOURHOODS,
THEY WANT TO BE CLOSER TO
DIFFERENT GENERATIONS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK BACK ON
RETIREMENT HOMES AND SAY, THAT
WAS A MODEL THAT WORKED WHEN WE
WERE LIVING THERE FOR TWO OR
THREE YEARS, BUT IT'S NOT A
MODEL THAT WORKS FOR OUR
GENERATION, WHO ARE AGING.

Zayna says THE CHALLENGE IS RETIREMENT.
GERMANY... THE AVERAGE AGE OF
DEATH WAS 65, SO THE AGE OF
RETIREMENT WAS 65, BUT IT'S JUST
NOT THAT ANYMORE.
JOSEPH KAUFMAN IS A GURU ON THIS
FROM THE M.I.T. AGING LAB.
HE SAYS IT'S ACTUALLY 25 YEARS
AFTER RETIREMENT WILL BE THE
NORM.
THINK ABOUT FROM ZERO TO 28 HOW
MUCH HAPPENED IN YOUR LIFE,
RIGHT?
IT'S AN ENTIRE LIFETIME, IS NOW
WHAT USED TO HAPPEN IN, YEAH,
FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

Steve says SO YOU TWO ARE
SINGULARLY RESPONSIBLE FOR
REDESIGNING THE ENTIRE WAY WE GO
FORWARD FROM NOW.

Sue says ABSOLUTELY.

Steve says SO YOU'RE BOTH GOING
TO HAVE TO TELL ME WHERE... HOW
ARE THE DESIGNS FOR SENIOR
LIVING GOING FORWARD GOING TO
HAVE TO CHANGE?
START US OFF.

The caption changes to "A caption reads "Not your grandparent's retirement home."

Sue says WELL, MY PREMISE IS THIS: WE
WILL NOT CHANGE THE DESIGNS OF
THE MODELS FOR SENIORS UNLESS
WE... AND I NOW AM 60...
BOOMERS, ACTUALLY ENGAGE IN THE
THINKING OF WHAT WE WANT.
WE NEED TO CO-DESIGN THE
SOLUTIONS.
WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THE SUPPLIERS
TO GENERATE THE OPTIONS FOR US.
WE HAVE TO STEP IN.
WE HAVE TO NUDGE OURSELVES.
WE HAVE TO USE OUR 60s TO
THINK ABOUT OUR 80s.
AND SO SUSTAINING OURSELVES INTO
OUR 80s AND THRIVING.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Sue continues WE'RE NOT GOING TO RETIRE.
THE ESSENCE OF SUCCESSFUL AGING
IS ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING.
SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO
CONTRIBUTE?
WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTRIBUTE BY
LIVING IN AN INSTITUTIONAL
SETTING.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE BY
CUSTOMIZING THE NEIGHBOURHOODS
WE WANT TO LIVE IN AND
CONTRIBUTING TO THE OPERATING OF
THOSE NEIGHBOURHOODS AND HELPING
ONE ANOTHER, CARE-GIVING IS THE
FUTURE.
WE'RE GOING TO RELY ON OUR
FRIENDS AS WELL AS FAMILY
MEMBERS AND NEIGHBOURS AS
CARE-GIVERS.
WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE AND GIVE
HELP.
SO WE HAVE TO CO-DESIGN, WE HAVE
TO STEP IN, AND THAT'S HARD TO DO.

Steve says WHAT DO THOSE NEWLY
DESIGNED COLLABORATIVE
NEIGHBOURHOODS LOOK LIKE?

The caption changes to "Zayna Khayat. Rotman School of Management."

Zayna says I'LL GIVE A FEW EXAMPLES.
I'M A FUTURE STRATEGIST.
WE SPEND OUR TIME LOOKING ALL
OVER THE WORLD TO SEE HOW OTHERS
ARE ADAPTING TO AGING AND
TRANSLATING THEM INTO PEOPLE AND
THEIR FAMILIES.
WE'RE WRITING A BOOK CALLED THE
FUTURE OF AGING.
WE'LL BE BACK ON THE SHOW,
STEVE.
CHAPTER 1 OF THE FUTURE OF AGING
BOOK IS CALLED THE FUTURE OF
SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITIES.
IN THERE WE OUTLINE THESE EIGHT
KINDS OF CONCEPTS THAT ARE
EMERGING, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN
EUROPE AND CALIFORNIA AND A FEW
POCKETS OF CANADA.
JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.

Steve says PLEASE.

Zayna says ONE IS DEMENTIA VILLAGES.
THERE ARE OTHER VILLAGES WHERE
THE WHOLE CITY IS FOR A
POPULATION THAT HAS SOME COMMON
FEATURE, IT COULD BE AUTISM, IT
COULD BE DISABILITY.
THESE HAVE BEEN AROUND 25, 30
YEARS IN THE NETHERLANDS...

Steve says CAN I UNDERSTAND
THIS.
DOES THAT MEAN EVERYBODY WHO
LIVES IN THAT VILLAGE HAS AUTISM
OR DEMENTIA...

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Zayna says OR DEMENTIA, YEAH, YEAH.
WE'VE HAD DELEGATIONS FROM
CANADA GO DOWN AND VISIT THESE,
PARTICULARLY IN DENMARK AND THE
NETHERLANDS, THE FIRST DEMENTIA
VILLAGE IN CANADA IS OPENING UP
IN BRITISH COLUMBIA AND THE
FIRST IN THE UNITED STATES JUST
OPENED IN CALIFORNIA.
SO WE'RE ABOUT TWO DECADES
BEHIND.
IT'S A VERY INTERESTING CONCEPT
WHERE YOU RE-THINK EVERYTHING,
THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, THE
HOUSING, THE CARE, EVERYTHING.
THAT'S JUST ONE OF THESE KIND OF
EIGHT CONCEPTS WE EXPLORE IN OUR BOOK.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve sits with different guests.

A caption on screen reads "Where's the love in elected politics? Wall built very high."

Steve says LET'S SEE HOW IT
WORKED AT THE ONTARIO
LEGISLATURE.
WHEN YOU WERE A MEMBER THERE,
DID YOU EVER FIND YOURSELF,
JENNIFER, HAVING A STRONG, YET
CIVILIZED, DEBATE WITH A MEMBER
OF THE OTHER SIDE, MAYBE AWAY
FROM THE CAMERAS, BUT YOU
THOUGHT, OH, THIS PERSON
ACTUALLY IS A PERSON AND I CAN
HAVE A CIVILIZED CONVERSATION
WITH THEM.

The caption changes to "Jennifer Mossop. Former Liberal MPP."

Jennifer is in her forties, with long wavy brown hair. She's wearing a black blazer over a white shirt, a silver necklace and matching earrings.

She says ABSOLUTELY.
IT HAPPENED ALL THE TIME.
AND I THINK TO TIM'S POINT IT
STILL HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
AND TO MARCO'S POINT, SOME OF IT
IS THE INFLAMMATORY LANGUAGE
THAT IS USED FOR THE THEATRE OF
QUESTION PERIOD, AND THAT'S WHAT
ENDS UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THEN
YOU GET THE PAID OR UNPAID
TROLLS DIVING IN THERE WITH THE
MORE MANIPULATE CONVERSATION AND
FUELLING AND CULTIVATING A
POLARIZATION IN THAT ANONYMOUS
WORLD OF SOCIAL MEDIA.
AND THAT'S DANGEROUS.
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WHILE
WE AS POLITICIANS MAY BE ABLE TO
STEP AWAY FROM THE THEATRE AND
HAVE REALLY PRODUCTIVE
CONVERSATIONS IN THE HALLWAYS OR
IN CAUCUS, I STILL THINK THEY
SHOULD PUT CAMERAS IN CAUCUS SO
PEOPLE COULD SEE HOW PASSIONATE
MPPs ARE, WHERE THEY REALLY DO
TAKE ON THEIR ROLE.

Another male guest says I SHOULD BE BACK THERE.

Jennifer says I KNOW. THERE ARE
GOOD PASSIONATE MOMENTS
AS MARCO SAID.
WE'RE LOSING THAT AND IT'S
SEEPING INTO A BROADER CULTURE.
THERE WAS A SURVEY THAT WAS JUST
DONE RECENTLY IN THE STATES OF
PARTISANSHIP, ON PARTISANSHIP,
AND REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS
WERE SAYING THAT THEY'RE GETTING
TO THE POINT WHERE THEY ARE
IDENTIFYING THEM SO MUCH,
LABELING THEMSELVES SO MUCH AS
ONE OR THE OTHER, THAT THEY
DON'T REALLY EVEN WANT TO
INTERMINGLE.

Steve says THERE'S CLEARLY,
TIM, A HUGE DISCONNECT HERE
BETWEEN THE WAY YOU TELL US YOU
INTERACT WHEN THE CAMERAS ARE
NOT ON AND THE WAY YOU ALL
PERFORM WHEN THE CAMERAS ARE ON
AND QUESTION PERIOD AND YOU NEED
TO GET YOUR CLIP ON THE NEWS
THAT NIGHT.

Tim says YEAH.

Steve says WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT?

The caption changes to "Tim Hudak. Former Ontario PC Leader."

Tim is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and spotted purple tie.

He says STEVE, I WAS NEVER THERE IN
BC, THE BEFORE CAMERA ERA.
YOU TALK TO SOME OF THOSE
VETERANS AND THEY SAY THINGS
WERE CALMER.
I THINK THEY WERE HAMMERED HALF
THE TIME AND THAT'S WHY THINGS
WERE CALMER.
FOR GOVERNMENT MEMBERS TO MAKE
THIS WORK BETTER, I WANT TO SEE
A PREMIER OR PRIME MINISTER WHO
HAS THE COURAGE AND CONFIDENCE
TO LET THEM VOTE AGAINST THE
PARTY LINE, ACTUALLY REPRESENT
THEIR CONSTITUENTS.
IF GLEN FEELS FROM MEDICINE HAT,
WHERE ANDREW SCHEER WANTS TO GO,
LET HIM VOTE THAT WAY.
WE MAKE TOO MUCH OF A FUSS ABOUT
THAT.
THAT WILL STRENGTHEN THE ROLE OF
MEMBERS OF THE ASSEMBLY WHO
AREN'T IN CABINET.
FOR OPPOSITION MEMBERS, THE LESS
POWER OPPOSITION HAS I THINK THE
MORE OF A DIVIDE YOU HAVE.
MY BEST DAYS THAT I ENJOYED THE
MOST, TRUTHFULLY, WERE THE
MINORITY PARLIAMENT.
AND TO ACTUALLY MAKE DEALS.
WHAT YOU SAID MATTERED.
PRIVATE MEMBER'S BILLS.
THAT MATTERS BECAUSE YOU DON'T
KNOW WHICH WAY THE VOTE IS GOING
TO GO.
IF YOU WANT TO IMPROVE
COLLEGIALITY, EMPOWER THE
OPPOSITION AND THE MEMBERS NOT
IN CABINET ON THE GOVERNMENT
SIDE.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Another male guest says STEVE, CAN I JUMP IN QUICKLY ON THAT POINT?

Steve says IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

The caption changes to "Marco Mendicino. Liberal MP, Eglington-Lawrence."

Marco is in his forties, with short brown hair and a stubble. He's wearing a gray suit, blue shirt and salmon tie.

He says I THINK TIM MAKES A REALLY
IMPORTANT POINT ON GIVING MORE
FREE REIGN TO BACKBENCHERS.
IN OUR GOVERNMENT WE HAVE SEEN
BACKBENCHERS ROUTINELY VOTE IN A
MANNER THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY
CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED
GOVERNMENT POSITION AND THE
PRIME MINISTER HAS SET SOME
BASIC GROUND RULES ON WHEN THAT
CAN HAPPEN AND I DO THINK THAT
WITH MORE INDEPENDENCE COMES
MORE INTEGRITY AND TRANSPARENCY
AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO YOUR OWN
CONSTITUENTS.
LOOK, IF YOU'RE NOT RUNNING
AFOUL OF LEGISLATION THAT WOULD
BE, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT WITH
THE CHARTER, YOU KNOW, YOU
SHOULD BE GIVEN SOME FAIRLY WIDE
LATITUDE TO REPRESENT THE
VIEWPOINTS OF YOUR CONSTITUENCY
AND CERTAINLY THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS TRIED TO DO.

The caption changes to "Glen Motz. Conservative MP, Medicine Hat-Cardston-Warner."

Glen is in his sixties, clean-shaven, with receding white hair. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit, white shirt and dark gray tie.

He says IF I CAN JUST ADD, ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT I'VE REALLY
APPRECIATED SINCE, YOU KNOW,
COMING INTO PARLIAMENT IS THAT,
YOU KNOW, I HAVE A VOICE IN OUR
CAUCUS, AND I CAN STAND UP AND
SAY WHAT I NEED TO SAY AND I CAN
VOTE MY CONSCIENCE AND WHAT I
BELIEVE TO BE THE BEST INTERESTS
OF MY CONSTITUENTS, AND I'M
ENCOURAGED TO DO THAT.
AND YET, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT
TO DISAGREE WITH MARCO ALL THE
TIME, BUT WE'VE SEEN WHAT'S
HAPPENED WHEN MEMBERS OF THE
CURRENT GOVERNMENT HAVE VOTED
WHAT THEY FELT WAS BEST FOR
THEIR CONSTITUENCY AND THEY'VE
BEEN CHASTISED FOR IT, WHICH IS
UNFORTUNATE.
I WOULD AGREE, THERE IS SOME
BENEFITS TO WHAT YOU'RE
SUGGESTING.

Steve says JENNIFER?

The caption changes to "Jennifer Mossop, @JenMossop."

Jennifer says I WAS JUST GOING TO JUMP IN
AND SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR, THAT
THAT'S THE ROLE OF THE MPP AS
OPPOSED TO THE ROLE OF THE
PARTISAN PLAYER.
IT IS A PARTISAN GAME.
AND IT IS A TEAM SPORT.
BUT IF YOU REMEMBER THE ROLE,
WHY YOU'RE THERE, YOU ARE THE
VOICE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS, AND
PRIVATE MEMBER'S TIME IS A VERY
FAVOURITE TIME.

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Jennifer continues SAM OOSTERHOFF, THE MAN WHO
REPLACED US IN NIAGARA WEST GLAM
BROOK, HE SAID HE LOVES PRIVATE
MEMBER'S TIME AND HE'S ROCKIN'
IT AS AN MPP, BY THE WAY, I'M
GOING TO THROW HIM A PLUG THERE.
THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S REPRESENTING
HIS CONSTITUENTS AND THEY ARE
ABLE TO VOICE THOSE INTERESTS.
THAT'S WHY THEY WERE SENT THERE.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve sits with a male guest.

A caption on screen reads "Populism and the future of white majorities. What's a white minority to do?"
Then, the caption changes to "Into the future."

Steve says LET'S SAY THAT THE
ISSUES THAT YOU RAISE IN THE
BOOK ARE NOT ADDRESSED
ADEQUATELY IN THE WAY THAT YOU
WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
DISSENT IS STIFLED.
THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY TO
DISCUSS THESE THINGS AND SO ON.
OVER THE NEXT 50 YEARS, HOW DO
YOU SEE US ROLLING OUT?

The caption changes to "Eric Kaufmann. Author, 'Whiteshift.'"

Eric is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short, side-parted graying brown hair. He's wearing a black suit, blue shirt, and spotted blue tie.

He says WELL, I THINK THAT THAT WILL
LEAD TO POLARIZATION, AND SO...

Steve says WORSE THAN NOW?
IT SEEMS PRETTY BAD NOW.

Eric says YES, I THINK IT COULD GET
BAD... IT COULD GET WORSE.
I THINK THE U.S. IS WHERE YOU
SEE THAT SORT OF STIFLING GOING
ON WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY,
WHICH IS ACTUALLY, I THINK,
WORSENING POLARIZATION.
NOW, THE REPUBLICANS ARE OFF THE
DEEP END TOO.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO GET TO A
POSITION WHERE, I SAY IN THE
BOOK, WE CAN DISCUSS IMMIGRATION
AS CALMLY AND RATIONALLY AS TAX.
YOU MIGHT WANT MORE, YOU MIGHT
WANT LESS.
THOSE WHO LESS YOU DON'T
DEMONIZE AS THE WORST PEOPLE ON
EARTH AND VICE VERSA.

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Eric continues I THINK WE NEED TO GET TO A
POSITION WHERE WE CAN HAVE THAT
CALM DISCUSSION.
PEOPLE CAN SAY I WANT LESS BUT
THEY WANT MORE, WE CAN MEET IN
THE MIDDLE AND ACCEPT THAT.
I THINK THAT IS THE WAY TO
DEFUSE SOME OF THIS.
NO ONE IS GOING TO GET EXACTLY
WHAT THEY WANT.
AND ACTUALLY THE EUROPEAN
MAINSTREAM PARTIES ARE ADAPTING,
I WOULD SAY.
I MEAN, THE LEFT WING PARTIES IN
MANY COUNTRIES ARE SAYING, YES,
WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS
ISSUE.
WE HAVE TO SORT OF ACCOMMODATE
THIS TO SOME DEGREE.
AND THAT'S FINE.
I THINK THAT IS A HEALTHY WAY TO
PROCEED.
WHEN YOU ACTUALLY THROW A WRENCH
INTO THE WORKS AND SAY, NO, THIS
IS OFF THE TABLE, WE CAN'T HAVE
A DEMOCRATIC DISCUSSION, I THINK
YOU BUILD UP PRESSURE AND IT
GETS EXPRESSED AND SUBLIMATED IN
WAYS WE CAN'T PREDICT.
BREXIT IS ONE EXAMPLE.

Steve says AT LEAST IT WAS A
DEMOCRATIC VOTE.
ARE YOU ANTICIPATING MORE WHITE
TERRORISM GOING FORWARD?

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Eric says I'M VERY AGAINST SCARE
MONGERING AND MANIPULATING AND
FEAR AND I TEND TO BELIEVE IN
THE STEVEN PINKER ARGUMENT THAT
WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS A LESS
VIOLENT SOCIETY.
I THINK YOU WILL JUST GET
POLARIZATION.
SO IN THE U.S., THE DEMOCRATS
MAY WIN ELECTIONS, BUT THE
SENATE MAY BE, BECAUSE IT'S
BASED ON A TERRITORIAL
PRINCIPLE, WHICH WHITES TEND TO
BE MORE SPREAD ACROSS THE UNITED
STATES, THE SENATE WILL GO
REPUBLICAN AND THE GOVERNORS'
MANSIONS AND YOU'LL GET THIS
SORT OF STANDOFF BETWEEN RURAL
OR THE WHITER PARTS OF AMERICA
AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND
THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE AN
UNHEALTHY STATE OF AFFAIRS.
YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE A
SITUATION WHERE EACH... YOU
KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE CAN FIND
COMPROMISE AND WORK TO SOLVE
PROBLEMS IN A RATIONAL WAY.

Steve says SURE.
THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS.
THE FACT IS THAT... I MEAN, THEY
CALL IT A BALKANIZATION FOR A
REASON.
IT WAS ONLY 25 YEARS AGO THE
BALKANS EXPLODED.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT HAPPENING
IN THE UNITED STATES?

Eric says I DON'T... OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING
IS POSSIBLE AND I KNOW SOME
PEOPLE ARE PREDICTING CIVIL WAR
IN THE U.S.
I'M MORE SKEPTICAL OF THESE
CLAIMS.
I JUST DON'T THINK PEOPLE... YOU
MAY GET SOME TERRORISM.
YOU MAY GET A SLIGHT UPTICK IN
FAR RIGHT TERRORISM.
I'M RELUCTANT TO SAY THERE'S
GOING TO BE CIVIL WAR, BUT
PEOPLE ARGUE THAT.

Steve says DOES WAR BRING
PEOPLE TOGETHER?
IT DOES HAVE A CLARIFYING
EFFECT.
IT'S AWFUL BUT IT CAN HAVE A
CLARIFYING EFFECT.

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Eric says IT ABSOLUTELY DOES.
IF THE U.S. WAS INVADED, THEIR
POLARIZATION WOULD BE GONE.
THERE ARE EVEN EXPERIMENTS THAT
SHOW WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AN
ALIEN INVASION OF EARTH, HAVE
PEOPLE READ THAT PARAGRAPH, THEN
A LOT OF THEIR ATTITUDES SHIFT
ON THESE MATTERS AND BECOME MORE
CONCILIATORY.
THERE'S NO QUESTION.
WE'VE SEEN IT IN HISTORY.
IN THE U.S., THE SECOND WORLD
WAR ENDED ANTI-SEMITISM IN A
WAY.
IT WAS STRONG IN THE '20S AND
'30s.
THE CIVIL WAR TOOK AWAY THE
ANTI-IRISH PREJUDICE THAT WAS
THERE IN THE 1850s SO...

The clips end and Nam stands in the studio alone.

She says THAT IS THE AGENDA'S
WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THIS FRIDAY,
FEBRUARY 15th, 2019.
YOU CAN PICK UP ON ALL OF THOSE
DISCUSSIONS AT tvo.org, ON OUR
YouTube CHANNEL AT
youtube.com/theagenda, AND ON
OUR TWITTER FEED,
Twitter.com/TheAgenda.

Watch: The Agenda's Week in Review