Transcript: Jim Karahalios: PC Presidential Problems | Nov 26, 2018

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a blue suit, white shirt, and spotted blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "PC Party presidential problems."

Steve says ON THE FIELD, IT'S
BEEN A GOOD YEAR FOR THE ONTARIO
PC PARTY.
DOUG FORD LED IT TO AN ELECTION
WIN IN JUNE, JUST THE THIRD
VICTORY BY THE PARTY IN THE LAST
37 YEARS.
BUT OFF THE FIELD, THE PARTY HAS
BEEN PLAGUED BY EVERYTHING FROM
NOMINATION MEETING
IRREGULARITIES TO POLICE
INVESTIGATIONS FOR FRAUD.
JIM KARAHALIOS WAS A CANDIDATE
FOR THE PC PRESIDENCY AT THE
PARTY'S CONVENTION EARLIER THIS
MONTH, AND HE JOINS US NOW WITH
WHAT HE SAYS IS MORE EVIDENCE OF
MORE MALFEASANCE.

Jim is in his late forties, clean-shaven and bald. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and striped purple tie.

Steve continues JIM, GOOD OF YOU TO COME IN TONIGHT.

Jim says THANKS FOR
HAVING ME.

Steve says WHY DID YOU WANT TO
RUN FOR THE PC PARTY PRESIDENCY
TO BEGIN WITH?

The caption changes to "Jim Karahalios. Former PC Party Presidential Candidate."
Then, it changes again to "Throwing his hat into the ring."

Jim says AS WE SAW IN THE LAST TWO
YEARS, IT WAS TIME FOR
INTEGRITY, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND
TRANSPARENCY IN OUR PARTY.
IT WAS NO TIME TO GO BACKWARDS.
I HAD A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM
MEMBERS IN THE PARTY TO KEEP OUR
PARTY MOVING FORWARD.
THAT'S WHY I RAN.

Steve says YOU PLANNED TO HAVE
A MEETING WITH PREMIER FORD TO
LET HIM KNOW YOU WERE RUNNING.
WHAT HAPPENED?

Jim says PREMIER FORD'S STAFF DECIDED
THAT MEETING WASN'T GOING TO
TAKE PLACE.
I'M NOT SURE WHY.

Steve says YOU SHOWED UP TO HIS
OFFICE?

Jim says I DID SHOW UP TO QUEEN'S PARK
TO MEET WITH PREMIER FORD.

Steve says WHAT HAPPENED?

Jim says PREMIER FORD HAD TO GO, IS
WHAT I WAS TOLD.

Steve says SO THE MEETING NEVER
HAPPENED.

Jim says NEVER HAPPENED.

Steve says WHAT DID YOU
INTERPRET THAT TO MEAN?

Jim says I THINK PREMIER FORD IS
GETTING SOME BAD ADVICE FROM
SOME OF HIS STAFF, IS HOW I
INTERPRETED IT, AND AN ATTEMPT
TO KEEP ME FROM DISCUSSING WITH
THE PREMIER ON WHY I WAS RUNNING
FOR PARTY PRESIDENT.

Steve says ON CONVENTION DAY,
THEY DID HAVE A VOTE, AND HERE'S
WHAT YOUR SCRUTINEERS TOLD YOU
WAS THE FINAL COUNT.

A slate appears on screen, with the title "The final tally. PC Party Election."

Steve reads data from the slate and says
BRIAN PATTERSON, 663 VOTES.
AND YOU, JIM, WITH 607 VOTES FOR
A TOTAL VOTE CAST OF 1470.
HOWEVER, YOU WERE ALSO TOLD
THERE WERE 1179 NAMES REGISTERED
AND ULTIMATELY 1345 VOTES CAST.
NOW, THAT'S THREE DIFFERENT
NUMBERS AND THEY SHOULD ALL BE
THE SAME IF THINGS GO ACCORDING
TO HOYLE.
SO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

The caption changes to "The vote."

Jim says SO IF I TOLD YOU THAT I WAS
RUNNING FOR PARTY PRESIDENT AND
THE PREMIER'S STAFF, PARTY
HEADQUARTERS, THE CONVENTION
ORGANIZERS AND MOST OF CABINET
WAS AGAINST ME, OPPOSING MY RUN,
AND I CAME OUT WITH THOSE
NUMBERS 2 PERCENT SHORT, YOU'D
SAY THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
THAT'S AN IMPRESSIVE RESULT.
I'M NOT HERE TO TALK TO YOU
ABOUT A RESULT IN AN ELECTION
THAT I WAS IN.
I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT
VOTER FRAUD THAT HAPPENED AT THE
CONVENTION.

Steve says YOU'RE SURE THAT
HAPPENED?

Jim says I AM CONVINCED THAT VOTER
FRAUD HAPPENED.
ALL YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IS THE
EVIDENCE ON THE GROUND AND THE
NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT
OF YOU.
ON SATURDAY NIGHT AT CONVENTION,
REGISTRATION CLOSED AT 7 P.M.,
MEANING ANYONE WHO WAS ELECTED
AS A DELEGATE HAD TO SHOW UP BY
SATURDAY NIGHT, GET THEIR BADGE,
PAY THEIR FEE, AND SIGN ON.

Steve says YOU'VE GOT A BADGE
RIGHT THERE.

Jim takes out a white paper badge and says I HAVE A BADGE RIGHT HERE.
HERE IS WHAT HAPPENED SATURDAY
AFTER 7:00 AND SUNDAY MORNING.
PEOPLE SHOWED UP THAT WERE NOT
DELEGATES.
A STICKIE GOES ON THE BADGE AND
ALL OF A SUDDEN, STEVE PAIKIN,
YOU'RE A VOTER AT CONVENTION.
SUNDAY MORNING, THE VOTE STARTS.
PEOPLE CYCLED THROUGH THE VOTING
BOOTHS.
SOME PEOPLE WOULD COME IN WITH A
BADGE.
THEY'D GET A CLIP TO SHOW THAT
THEY VOTED ONCE.
SCRUTINEERS TOLD ME THEY'D
REAPPEAR WITH A NEW BADGE.
SAME NAME.
PEOPLE VOTED MORE THAN ONCE ON
SUNDAY MORNING.
PEOPLE VOTED WHO WERE NOT ON THE
VOTER LIST THAT WE WERE PROVIDED
WITH ON SATURDAY NIGHT.
BECAUSE ON SATURDAY NIGHT, ALL
THE CANDIDATES RECEIVED THE
VOTER LIST, 1179 REGISTERED
DELEGATES READY TO VOTE SUNDAY
MORNING.
THE BALLOTS WERE PRINTED ON
REGULAR STOCK PAPER IN BLACK AND
WHITE.
THEY WERE NOT ACCOUNTED FOR,
MEANING AT THE END OF THE COUNT,
THEY COULD NOT TELL US HOW MANY
BALLOTS THEY STARTED WITH, HOW
MANY WERE USED, HOW MANY ENDED
UP IN THE BALLOT BOXES.
THE RECONCILIATION WITH THE
NUMBER OF VOTERS WAS NOT DONE.
THEY TRIED TO START COUNTING THE
NUMBER OF VOTERS THAT VOTED AT
THE BOOTHS.
THEY GOT TO, I THINK, 1200.
THEY COULDN'T GET TO THE 1345.
SO THEY STOPPED.
EVEN MORE CONCERNING, THE
BALLOTS THAT WERE COUNTED IN THE
BOXES WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE
SIGNATURE OF THE PERSON, THE
ELECTION OFFICIAL AT THE POLLING
BOOTH.
THERE WERE BALLOTS IN ALL THE
BOXES THAT DIDN'T HAVE
SIGNATURES OF THE INDIVIDUALS
MANNING THE BOOTH, THE ELECTION
OFFICIALS.
SO HOW DO YOU COME OUT WITH 1345
BALLOTS WITH 1179 REGISTERED
VOTERS AND EVIDENCE OF PEOPLE
CIRCLING THROUGH THE VOTING
BOOTHS MORE THAN ONCE AND VOTING
THAT ARE NOT ON THE LIST?
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
THAT'S VOTER FRAUD.

Steve says PRESUMABLY WHEN
PEOPLE SHOWED UP TO VOTE WITH
THOSE BADGES AND THE STICKERS ON
TOP OF THEM, WHICH LOOKS PRETTY
UNOFFICIAL, SHOULD THE PEOPLE
WHO WERE RUNNING THAT ELECTION
HAVE TURNED THEM AWAY AND
DIDN'T?

Jim says ABSOLUTELY, OR THEY SHOULD
HAVE DOCUMENTED THE SPECIFIC
INSTANCES THAT HAPPENED.
SO DURING THE VOTE, MY
SCRUTINEERS AND OTHER
CANDIDATES' SCRUTINEERS, HAD SO
MANY OBJECTIONS TO WHAT WAS
GOING ON, YOU COULDN'T EVEN
COUNT THEM.
MY LAWYERS SENT THE PARTY LAWYER
A LETTER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
VOTE DOCUMENTING IT AND ANOTHER
LETTER LATER ON IN THE EVENING,
AND WE'VE REQUESTED FROM THE
PARTY THE BALLOTS AND THE LIST
OF VOTERS WHO VOTED AT
CONVENTION.

Steve says WELL, LET'S FOLLOW
UP ON THAT.
WHERE ARE THE BALLOTS NOW?

Jim says I DON'T KNOW.
WE'VE ASKED FOR THE BALLOTS.
I CAN ONLY ASSUME THE PARTY
LAWYER HAS THEM.
WE ASKED FOR THE BALLOTS.
WE ASKED FOR THE LIST OF VOTERS.
WE'VE GOTTEN NO RESPONSE.
THE ONLY RESPONSE THE PARTY GAVE
WAS A STATEMENT TO THE MEDIA
THAT SAID TWO THINGS: WE STAND
BY THE RESULTS, BUT WE'RE NOT
SHOWING YOU THE RESULTS...

Steve says THEY NEVER ANNOUNCED
THOSE RESULTS AT CONVENTION?

Jim says AS FAR AS I KNOW THEY REFUSED
TO ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.
THE SECOND THING THEY SAID IS,
THE SCRUTINEERS AT THE VOTE
DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO
WHAT WAS GOING ON.
WELL, THAT'S A LIE BECAUSE I
HAVE A LETTER FROM MY LAWYER TO
THE PARTY LAWYER DOCUMENTING
WHAT SCRUTINEERS WERE SAYING
DURING THE VOTE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE
DOUBLING DOWN ON WHAT THEY'RE
SAYING IN THEIR STATEMENT AND
SAYING THINGS THAT ARE FACTUALLY
NOT TRUE.

Steve says DO YOU HAVE ANY
RECOURSE AT THIS STAGE?
I MEAN, IS THERE SOMEBODY YOU
CAN APPEAL THIS DECISION TO?

The caption changes to "Forming a response."

Jim says INTERNAL PARTY ELECTIONS,
THERE'S NO GOVERNANCE BODY
OVERSEEING WHAT HAPPENS IN AN
INTERNAL PARTY ELECTION.
BUT I FIND IT TROUBLING AND
IRONIC THAT I RAN ON A CAMPAIGN
TO BRING INTEGRITY,
ACCOUNTABILITY, AND TRANSPARENCY
INTO THE PC PARTY, AND IN THE
ELECTION, THERE WAS NO
INTEGRITY, NO ACCOUNTABILITY, NO
TRANSPARENCY, AND I WON THE
ELECTION HANDILY AND SOMEONE
ELSE IS NAMED THE WINNER.

Steve says HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU
WON HANDILY?

The caption changes to "Jim Karahalios. Axe the Carbon Tax."

Jim says IF THERE'S 1179 REGISTERED
VOTERS AND I GOT 607 VOTES,
THAT'S MORE THAN 50 PERCENT.

Steve says IT IS OFTEN THE CASE
AT LEADER CONVENTIONS, MAYBE
ELECTIONS OF THIS TYPE AS WELL,
THAT ONCE IT'S ALL OVER AND DONE
WITH, THEY BURN THE BALLOTS.
THEY JUST GET RID OF THEM.
SO I'VE GOT TO ASK YOU: DO YOU
EVEN KNOW IF THE BALLOTS STILL
EXIST?

Jim says THAT WOULD BE... THAT WOULD
BE OUTRAGEOUS BECAUSE WHEN ONE
LAWYER SENDS A LETTER TO ANOTHER
LAWYER ASKING THEM TO PRESERVE
THE BALLOTS OR THE EVIDENCE, YOU
CAN'T BURN BALLOTS THAT ARE
EVIDENCE IN A POTENTIALLY... IN
A POTENTIAL DISPUTE.

Steve says HAVE YOU ASKED THEM
WHERE THE BALLOTS ARE?

Jim says WE DOCUMENTED IN THE LETTER
TO THE LAWYER SAYING "PLEASE
PRESERVE THE BALLOTS AND LET US
KNOW WHAT THE VOTER LIST LOOKS
LIKE."

Steve says AND YOU'VE HIRED A
LAWYER TO LOOK INTO ALL THIS FOR
YOU?

Jim says OBVIOUSLY I HAVE RETAINED A
LAWYER.

Steve says HOW MUCH IS THIS
GOING TO COST YOU?

Jim says THAT'S A CONCERN, RIGHT?
BECAUSE THE ONUS IS NOW ON THE
INDIVIDUAL WHEN YOU HAVE A
PROCESS THAT'S NOT TRANSPARENT,
OBVIOUSLY I SPENT MONEY AND
THERE WERE OTHERS THAT SPENT
MONEY ON THEIR CAMPAIGNS.
I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S
AFFECTED HERE.
THERE WERE THREE OTHER
CANDIDATES, HAYDEN FOST,
MICHELLE SIMARD, MARY McNEIL
ALL RAN FOR VICE PRESIDENT
POSITIONS.
THEY ALL SHOULD HAVE WON IF THE
EXTRA BALLOTS DIDN'T MAKE THEIR
WAY INTO THE BALLOT BOXES.
LOOK IT, ANOTHER THING HERE IS A
THOUSAND-PLUS DELEGATES THAT
ATTEND A CONVENTION.
THEY EACH PAID 300 dollars PLUS
HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS IN TRAVEL
AND ACCOMMODATIONS TO
PARTICIPATE IN WHAT THEY THOUGHT
WAS GOING TO BE A FAIR ELECTION,
A FAIR VOTE.
AND THEY GOT DEFRAUDED OUT OF A
FAIR PROCESS AND THEIR
HARD-EARNED MONEY TO PARTICIPATE
IN A CONVENTION THAT ENDED UP
LIKE THIS.

Steve says DON'T TAKE THIS THE
WRONG WAY.

Jim says GO AHEAD.

Steve says BUT YOU'VE BEEN HERE
BEFORE AND WE KNOW EACH OTHER A
LITTLE BIT SO I KNOW YOU'LL TAKE
THESE QUESTIONS IN THE SPIRIT IN
WHICH THEY'RE INTENDED.
YOU'RE A WELL-KNOWN PAIN IN THE
NECK IN THE PARTY, RIGHT?
YOU'RE THE GUY WHO WAS THE ONE
GUY WHO, WHEN PATRICK BROWN WAS
LEADING THE PARTY AND WANTED TO
BRING IN A CARBON TAX AS PART OF
THE PLATFORM, YOU BROUGHT THIS
AXE THE TAX PLATFORM FORWARD AND
YOU WON AT THE END OF THE DAY,
RIGHT?
YOU MANAGED TO GET THE CARBON
TAX OUT OF THE PLATFORM, BUT YOU
TICKED OFF A LOT OF PEOPLE IN
THE INTERIM.
ARE YOU AT ALL... I GUESS THE
QUESTION IS: YOU CAN'T BE
SURPRISED THAT THE BRASS OF THE
PARTY WANTS YOU TO LOSE.
IS THAT FAIR TO SAY?

The caption changes to "Brass knuckles politics."

Jim says YOU WATCH THE LEADERSHIP
CONVENTION... THE LEADERSHIP
RACE.

Steve says YEP.

Jim says THE IDEA THAT I WAS WRITING
ABOUT IN AXE THE CARBON TAX AND
TAKE BACK OUR PC PARTY, THEY GOT
100 PERCENT SUPPORT.
100 PERCENT.
YOU WATCH THIS PRESIDENTIAL
CAMPAIGN.
MY PLATFORM WAS ADOPTED BY MY
OPPONENT.
100 PERCENT SUPPORT.
IF THERE'S A SMALL, SMALL GROUP
OF A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE IN THE PC
PARTY THAT REFUSE TO WATCH OUR
PARTY BE GOVERNED WITH
INTEGRITY, ACCOUNTABILITY,
TRANSPARENCY, AND IN ACCORDANCE
WITH THE PARTY CONSTITUTION,
IT'S NOT ME WHO'S THE PAIN IN
THE NECK.
IT'S THEM THAT ARE THE PAIN IN
THE NECK TO THE PARTY MEMBERS AT
LARGE THAT WANT TO SEE THE PARTY
GOVERNED IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT
I'VE BEEN CAMPAIGNING ON AND
THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED
IN THE LAST FEW YEARS PUT BEHIND
THEM AND OUR PARTY MOVE FORWARD.
BUT THERE'S A SMALL, SMALL GROUP
THAT ARE JUST HOLDING ON AND
REFUSE TO SEE THINGS MOVE
FORWARD AND CHANGE.

Steve says BEFORE YOU PUT THE
STICKER WITH MY NAME ON TOP OF
THAT BADGE, THAT BADGE BELINDA
KARAHALIOS.
I WONDER IF SHE CAME TO YOU AND
SAID, "JIM, YOU'RE GOING TO
SCREW MY FUTURE WITH THE PARTY
IF YOU KEEP THIS UP"?

Jim says MY WIFE HAD A JOB TO DO.
SHE WAS ELECTED AS MPP IN
CAMBRIDGE AND SHE HAS A JOB TO
DO.
I HAVE A JOB TO DO.
THAT WAS TO REPRESENT PARTY
MEMBERS AND PARTY DELEGATES AND
MOVE THE CONVERSATION FORWARD IN
OUR PARTY TO ENSURE WE DON'T GO
BACK TO WHAT WE SAW IN THE LAST
TWO YEARS.
UNFORTUNATELY I RAN IN AN
ELECTION WHERE WE SAW THE SAME
FRAUDULENT EFFORTS TAKE PLACE
AGAIN AND SO SHE IS DOING A
GREAT JOB AND I'M DOING A GREAT
JOB BUT, LOOK, WHEN IT COMES TO
CAUCUS, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT MY
WIFE.
IF YOU'RE IN CAUCUS, STEVE, AND
YOU'RE AN MPP AND NOMINATION
RULES ARE GOING TO BE SET AND
YOU SEE THAT THERE'S A SMALL
GROUP AT PC PARTY HEADQUARTERS
OR IN THE PREMIER'S OFFICE THAT
ARE WILLING TO GO TO THE LENGTHS
TO RIG A PRESIDENTIAL RACE AT A
CONVENTION, DON'T YOU THINK
THEY'D BE CONCERNED?
IF THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A
NOMINATION RACE IN THE FUTURE
AND THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THAT
NOMINATION RACE IS GOING TO BE
HELD WITH INTEGRATE,
ACCOUNTABILITY, AND
TRANSPARENCY?

Steve says WELL, HERE'S WHAT
I'VE HEARD.
I SHOULD SAY FOR THE RECORD WE
REACHED OUT TO BRIAN PATTERSON
WHO AT LEAST FOR THE PUBLIC
RECORD ANYWAY WON THIS
PRESIDENCY AND DIDN'T HEAR BACK
FROM HIM, SO THAT'S ONE REASON
HE'S NOT HERE...

Jim says IT'S NOT... YOU KNOW, BRIAN
WAS A CONTESTANT IN THE RACE,
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
PEOPLE THAT RAN THE ELECTION,
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BRIAN.

Steve says HERE'S WHAT I'M
HEARING ABOUT THAT.
WHAT I'M HEARING IS, YOU'RE A
WELL-KNOWN SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE
IN THE PARTY.
YOU REPRESENT THAT WING OF THE
PARTY.
AND THEY DON'T WANT THE
SOCIAL... WHOEVER "THEY" IS, ALL
THE OTHER NON-SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES, THE PART OF THE
PC PARTY MEMBERSHIP THAT WANTS
TO KEEP SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES IN
A BOX, THEY DIDN'T WANT YOU TO
WIN BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT YOU
TO HAVE THAT KIND OF PLATFORM TO
ADVANCE THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES.
THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S ACCURATE?

Jim says THAT'S POSSIBLE.
THAT'S POSSIBLE.
I RAN A CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT
ON FOLLOWING OUR PARTY
CONSTITUTION AND ON DEMOCRACY.
THAT'S WHAT I RAN FOR PARTY
PRESIDENT ON, ON GIVING EVERY
PARTY MEMBER THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
AND MY SUPPORTERS AND MY
CAMPAIGN TEAM WERE MADE UP OF
PEOPLE RIGHT ACROSS ALL THE
DIFFERENT IDEOLOGICAL VIEWS OF
OUR PARTY.
I HAVE SUPPORTERS THAT SUPPORTED
CHRISTINE ELLIOTT, CAROLINE
MULRONEY, AND DOUG FORD IN THE
LEADERSHIP.
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU LIKE
MY CAMPAIGN STYLE OR WHETHER YOU
LIKE THE WAY I RUN CAMPAIGNS,
NONE OF THAT JUSTIFIES VOTER
FRAUD.
YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY I
CAMPAIGN, YOU DON'T LIKE THAT I
CALL OUT 21 PEOPLE ON BRIAN
PATTERSON'S SLATE FOR BEING
LOBBYISTS AND COMING BACK FROM
THE PRIOR EXECUTIVE, YOU DON'T
LIKE MY HOLDING PEOPLE TO
ACCOUNT, THAT'S FINE, YOU DON'T
LIKE MY POSITION ON THE CARBON
TAX, THAT'S FINE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T JUSTIFY VOTER
FRAUD.
I HAD PEOPLE ON MY CAMPAIGN TEAM
FOR PRESIDENT THAT DON'T AGREE
WITH ME ON THE CARBON TAX,
DIDN'T AGREE WITH ME ON, YOU
KNOW, DISAGREEING WITH PATRICK
BROWN, BUT THEY WANTED TO SEE
THE PARTY GOVERNED IN A FASHION
THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE PARTY
CONSTITUTION.
AND, LOOK, THAT'S THE NEW
CRITICISM OF THE DAY.
THE OTHER CRITICISM DURING THE
PRESIDENCY RACE WAS I WAS
CALLING FOR A REVOLUTION.
IT'S NOT A REVOLUTION.
WHAT I WAS CALLING FOR WAS THE
PARTY CONSTITUTION.

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Steve says I GET YOU.
BUT WE'RE DOWN TO OUR LAST 30
SECONDS HERE.

Jim says OKAY.

Steve says BUT ALLEGING VOTER
FRAUD IS A TOUGH THING TO DO.
YOU'RE ALLEGING AN ILLEGALITY
HERE.
YOU'RE COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT?

Jim says THERE WAS A CAN BE MINISTER
WHO BROUGHT HIS WIFE IN ON
SATURDAY NIGHT AFTER
REGISTRATION CLOSED AND RECEIVED
A MEMBER OBSERVER PASS.
AND THE STAFFER OF THAT CABINET
MINISTER ASKED, CAN THEY BE A
DELEGATE?
AND THEY WERE HANDED A DELEGATE
BADGE EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE NOT
AN ELECTED DELEGATE.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAUCUS,
I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN
INDIVIDUALS IN OUR CAUCUS LIKE
ROD PHILLIPS, CAROLINE MULRONEY,
CHRISTINE ELLIOTT, WHO HAVE BEEN
IN THE PC PARTY FOR THEIR ENTIRE
LIVES AND WHO BELIEVE THAT THE
INSTITUTION OF OUR PARTY IS MORE
IMPORTANT THAN BEING EMBARRASSED
BY THEIR PREFERRED CANDIDATE NOT
WINNING IN THE ELECTION.
SOMETHING HAS TO BE SAID ABOUT
HOW ELECTIONS ARE CONTINUALLY
BEING RUN IN OUR PARTY, BECAUSE
WHEN THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP
AND YOU HAVE EVIDENCE,
EYEWITNESS BEHAVIOUR OF PEOPLE
DOING ILLEGAL THINGS, THAT'S
JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE.

The caption changes to "Producer: Steve Paikin, @spaikin; Producer: Harrison Lowman, @harrisonlowman."

Steve says OKAY.
NEEDLESS TO SAY, WE WILL
CONTINUE TO WATCH THIS WITH
INTEREST, SO KEEP US POSTED.

Jim says THANK YOU, STEVE.

Steve says THAT'S JIM
KARAHALIOS, FORMER CANDIDATE FOR
THE PRESIDENCY OF THE PC PARTY.

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