Transcript: A Second Act in Political Life | Nov 07, 2018

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, spotted gray tie, and a red poppy pin.

A caption on screen reads "A second act in political life. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says ELECTIONS ARE FUNNY
THINGS.
ONE DAY IN JUNE, THE VOTERS
MIGHT REJECT YOU.
BUT THEN, JUST A FEW MONTHS
LATER, THEY MAY HAVE A CHANGE OF
HEART AND WANT YOU BACK.
WE HAVE FOUR FORMER MEMBERS OF
THE ONTARIO LEGISLATURE WITH US
TONIGHT, WHOSE PROVINCIAL
POLITICAL CAREERS TOOK A DETOUR
THIS PAST SUMMER, BUT ALL OF
WHOM HAVE A NEW LEASE ON
POLITICAL LIFE AT THE MUNICIPAL
LEVEL.
AND WITH THAT, WE WELCOME, FROM
OUR STUDIO AT CONFEDERATION
COLLEGE IN THUNDER BAY:
BILL MAURO, WHO NEXT MONTH WILL
BE SWORN IN AS THE NEW MAYOR OF
THAT CITY AT THE LAKEHEAD.

Bill is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and red poppy pin.

Steve continues AND HERE IN STUDIO:
DIPIKA DAMERLA, AN INCOMING
MEMBER OF MISSISSAUGA CITY COUNCIL...

Dipika is in her forties, with shoulder-length straight brown hair. She's wearing a black shirt and a red poppy pin.

Steve continues GRANVILLE ANDERSON, AN INCOMING
MEMBER OF DURHAM REGIONAL COUNCIL...

Granville is in his late forties, clean-shaven and shaven-headed. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit, purple shirt, and a red poppy pin.

Steve continues AND MICHAEL HARRIS, AN INCOMING
MEMBER OF WATERLOO REGIONAL COUNCIL.

Michael is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short white hair. He's wearing a blue suit, white shirt, striped red tie and a red poppy pin.

Steve continues IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU THREE
EX-MPPs HERE IN OUR STUDIO.
BILL MAURO, NICE TO HAVE YOU ON
THE LINE FROM THUNDER BAY.
I WANT TO START WITH YOU, IF I
CAN, MR. SOON TO BE YOUR
WORSHIP.
TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE NEW JOB WE
HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED
WITH THE OLD JOB.
ON THE 7TH OF JUNE, 24,000
PEOPLE CAST A BALLOT AND YOU
LOST BY 81 VOTES.
YOU LOST BY A QUARTER OF A
PERCENT.
AND I WANT TO KNOW HOW MISERABLE
ELECTION NIGHT WAS FOR YOU.

The caption changes to "Bill Mauro. Incoming Mayor of Thunder Bay."
Then, it changes again to "A bump in the road."

Bill says YOU KNOW,
STEVE, IT'S INTERESTING.
IT REALLY WASN'T THAT TERRIBLE.
WE KNEW AS A GROUP GOING IN, AND
I'M SURE MOST OF US FROM OUR
PARTY RIGHT ACROSS THE PROVINCE,
KNEW GOING INTO THIS ELECTION
THAT WE WERE IN TOUGH.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT TURNED
OUT.
THE 80 VOTES PART REALLY DIDN'T
BOTHER ME AT ALL.
I THINK THAT LOOKING BACK
RETROSPECTIVELY ON THE CAMPAIGN,
THERE WERE SOME DECISIONS THAT
WE MADE AS A GROUP THAT PROBABLY
BOTHERED ME A LITTLE MORE THAN
THE ACTUAL RESULT AT THE END OF
IT THAT I THINK INFLUENCED THE
RESULT PERHAPS MORE NEGATIVELY
THAN WOULD HAVE BEEN THE CASE.
OTHERWISE THE 80 VOTES DIDN'T
MEAN MUCH TO ME ONE WAY OR THE
OTHER.
I HAD A GREAT RUN.
FIFTEEN YEARS.
WAS REALLY, REALLY FORTUNATE TO
BE THE MEMBER FOR 15 YEARS AND
TO BE IN GOVERNMENT FOR ALL 15
YEARS AND TO BE ABLE TO REALLY
POSITIVELY IMPACT MY COMMUNITY
OF THUNDER BAY OVER THAT TIME.
I FELT GREAT ABOUT THE
EXPERIENCE AND THE RUN THAT I
HAD.

Steve says DIPIKA, IT WASN'T AS
CLOSE FOR YOU IN MISSISSAUGA
EAST COOKSVILLE.
YOU LOST BY ALMOST 5,000 VOTES.
WHAT WAS ELECTION NIGHT LIKE FOR YOU?

Dipika says ONE THING I
JUST WANT TO CORRECT, STEVE, AND
THAT'S I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF
REGIONAL COUNCIL AND CITY
COUNCIL.

Steve says YOU'RE ON PEEL
REGION COUNCIL AS WELL?
GOOD.

The caption changes to "Dipika Damerla. Incoming Mississauga City Councillor."

Dipika says IT WAS A TOUGH NIGHT.
RIGHT TO THE END I HOPED THAT I
WOULD BE ABLE TO SQUEAK A WIN
THROUGH.
I ACTUALLY LEARNED BY TWITTER
THAT I LOST BECAUSE A TWEET CAME
ACROSS MY CELL PHONE WHILE I WAS
ACTUALLY DRIVING HOME FROM
POLLING THE LAST VOTE.
THE POLLS HAD CLOSED AND ONE OF
THE VOLUNTEERS WAS JUST DRIVING
ME HOME, AND I THINK... WHAT
TIME DO THE POLLS CLOSE?
NINE?
MAYBE 9:06, 9:10, THERE WAS A
TWEET THAT SAID ALL OF
MISSISSAUGA WENT BLUE.
THAT'S HOW I LEARNED.

Steve says ON TWITTER THAT WAY
THAT QUICKLY.
KIND OF BRUTAL.
AT WHAT POINT DO YOU STOP
WONDERING... SEVEN SURVIVED,
RIGHT?
SEVEN MPPs FROM THE LIBERAL
CAUCUS MADE IT.
YOU WEREN'T ONE OF THEM.
AT WHAT POINT DO YOU STOP BEING
ANGRY THAT YOU'RE NOT ONE OF THE SEVEN?

Dipika says I DON'T KNOW THAT I WAS EVER
ANGRY BUT I WAS CERTAINLY
DISAPPOINTED.
AND I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO,
YOU KNOW, YOU KEEP WONDERING,
WHAT COULD I HAVE DONE
DIFFERENTLY?
IT'S INTERESTING THAT BILL SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, LOSING BY 80
VOTES DIDN'T BOTHER HIM.
THAT WOULD KILL ME.
THE FACT THAT I LOST BY 4,000
AND CHANGE VOTES MEANS THAT, YOU
KNOW, ONE THING I WAS THINKING
WAS, THERE'S NOTHING I COULD
HAVE REALLY DONE OR THERE WAS
NOTHING THAT I DID THAT REALLY
WENT WRONG IN A BIG WAY OR WOULD
HAVE CHANGED THE OUTCOME.
SO I WASN'T SECOND-GUESSING...
WELL, I STILL DID SECOND-GUESS.
I DIDN'T SECOND-GUESS AS MUCH AS
I WOULD HAVE HAD THE MARGIN BEEN
SMALLER.
I WAS GLAD THE MARGIN WAS LARGE
BECAUSE IT WAS...

Steve says DECISIVE.
GRANVILLE, IT WAS MORE DECISIVE
WHERE YOU WERE.
YOU CAME THIRD IN DURHAM.
17,000 VOTES BEHIND THE WINNER.
WHAT WAS ELECTION NIGHT LIKE FOR
YOU?

The caption changes to "Granville Anderson. Incoming Durham Regional Councillor."

Granville says IT WAS UNEXPECTED.
I EXPECTED TO LOSE, MAYBE BY NOT
THAT LARGE A MARGIN AS IT TURNED
OUT TO BE.
BUT I AM ONE WHO WAS PROACTIVE
IN MY RIDING.
SO I KNOCK ON DOORS FROM TIME TO
TIME, WHETHER IT'S ELECTION OR
NOT.
SO I HAD A FEELING THAT THE WIND
WAS GOING IN THE OPPOSITE
DIRECTION.
SO I WAS DISAPPOINTED, YES.
BUT I HAVE NO REGRETS BECAUSE I
BELIEVE I'VE ACCOMPLISHED QUITE
A NUMBER OF THINGS IN MY RIDING.
THERE'S GO-TRAIN SERVICES I
FOUGHT FOR AND THAT'S COMING,
HOPEFULLY.
A RELATIVELY NEW HOSPITAL IN
BOWMANVILLE, 407 EXPANSION TO
THE 115, NEW LONG-TERM CARE
BEDS, HOSPICES.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY I
BELIEVE I WORKED HARD AND
THERE'S NOTHING MORE I COULD DO.
I RAN A GOOD CAMPAIGN, AND IT
JUST WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH.
PEOPLE WANTED CHANGE AND THE
WINDS OF CHANGE WAS THERE.
SO ON MY PART, I DON'T THINK
THERE WAS ANYTHING MORE I COULD
HAVE DONE.

Steve says MICHAEL HARRIS, I
WANT TO BRING YOU IN AT THIS
POINT.
I GUESS WE SHOULD SAY, IT
REMINDS ME OF THE SESAME STREET
LINE, ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT
LIKE THE OTHER.
YOU'RE AN EX-TORY MPP.
YOU DIDN'T LOSE.
YOU OPTED NOT TO RUN AGAIN.
I GUESS ONE OF THE IRONIES IS,
YOU'RE NAME IS MICHAEL HARRIS
AND YOU WERE REPLACED IN YOUR
RIDING BY A GUY NAMED MIKE
HARRIS, JR., SON OF THE FORMER
PREMIER.
HE'S THE THIRD MIKE HARRIS TO BE
IN PROVINCIAL PARLIAMENT.
WHAT WAS ELECTION NIGHT LIKE FOR
YOU KNOWING YOU WEREN'T GOING TO
LOSE BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T RUNNING
AGAIN, BUT YOU WERE KIND OF
ASKED BY YOUR PARTY NOT TO RUN
AGAIN.
SO IT WAS ALL KIND OF
COMPLICATED.

The caption changes to "Michael Harris. Incoming Waterloo Regional Councillor."

Michael says IT WAS.
IF I TOLD THE STORY AND YOU
DIDN'T KNOW, YOU LIKELY WOULDN'T
BELIEVE ME.
IT WAS WHAT IT WAS.
I DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE JUNE
ELECTION.
IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF THE
INTEREST IN THE ISSUES, THE
PASSION I HAD FOR MY COMMUNITY
THAT I GOT TO REPRESENT.
OF COURSE, POLITICS PLAYED A BIG
ROLE IN THAT, AS YOU MENTIONED.
ELECTION NIGHT I WAS WITH MY
FAMILY IN A SPECIAL PLACE AS
ELECTIONS USUALLY WAS FOR ME.
WE WERE AT DISNEY.
I TOOK MY BOYS TO MAGIC KINGDOM.
IT WAS GOOD TO BE WITH MY
FAMILY.
I HAVE SINCE OBVIOUSLY HAD EYE
SURGERY AND I'M RECOVERING FROM
THAT STILL AT HOME.
BUT I'M EXCITED ABOUT MY NEW
OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE
COMMUNITY IN THE REGION OF
WATERLOO.
I'M HAPPY AND THANKFUL THAT THE
VOTERS, WHO ARE ULTIMATELY
ALWAYS RIGHT, GOT TO SEE THROUGH
AND SEE PAST THAT PERHAPS AND
THEY SENT A STRONG MESSAGE THAT,
YOU KNOW, I GET TO CONTINUE TO
WORK ON THEIR BEHALF.

Steve says WE'LL GET TO THE
FUTURE IN A SECOND.
BUT WERE THERE ANY FEELINGS...
ANY COMPLICATED FEELINGS WITH
YOU?
ON THE ONE HAND, HAPPY FOR YOUR
FRIENDS, I GUESS, WHO FINALLY
GET A CHANCE TO BE IN GOVERNMENT
NOW; ON THE OTHER HAND,
DISAPPOINTMENT THAT YOU'RE NOT
THERE WITH THEM?

Michael says IT'S BITTERSWEET.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
I SERVED SEVEN YEARS WITH THESE
FOLKS.
MANY OF THEM ARE MY EXTREMELY
CLOSE FRIENDS.
WE LIVED AWAY FROM OUR HOMES,
AWAY FROM OUR FAMILIES, WE SPENT
A LOT OF TIME TOGETHER.
I'M VERY HAPPY FOR THEM.
MANY OF THEM ARE EXTREMELY
QUALIFIED AND WILL DO AMAZING
THINGS NOW IN GOVERNMENT ON
BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO,
SO I'M EXCITED TO FOLLOW THEM IN
THEIR NEW ROLES IN GOVERNMENT.
BUT, AGAIN, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW,
SITTING IN OPPOSITION FOR SEVEN
YEARS, KNOWING WHAT NEEDED TO BE
DONE AND FINALLY GETTING A
CHANCE TO SERVE IN GOVERNMENT,
OF COURSE I WENT THROUGH THE
2014 ELECTION WHEN WE LOST AND
WE WERE HOPING TO GO INTO
GOVERNMENT.
YEAH, IT'S BITTERSWEET BUT YOU
KNOW WHAT?
I LOOK FORWARD TO SPEAKING TO
THEM AS OFTEN AS I CAN AND I
WISH THEM ALL THE BEST.

Steve says BILL MAURO, LOSING
OBVIOUSLY IS NO DARN FUN.
IT'S HARD.
YOU'VE GOT TO OBVIOUSLY LICK
YOUR WOUNDS FOR A WHILE.
BUT HOW FAR AFTER THE JUNE 7TH
ELECTION DO YOU START THINKING
TO YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'M
NOT DONE YET AFTER ALL?

The caption changes to "Bill Mauro, @BillMauroMPP."
Then, it changes again to "Municipally yours."

Bill says WELL, I'LL TELL
YOU HONESTLY, STEVE, I WAS NOT
IN... I HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE
ASKING ME ALMOST IMMEDIATELY IF
I WOULD CONSIDER RUNNING
MUNICIPALLY FOR MAYOR.
THAT BEGAN ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
THE DEADLINE FOR ENTERING THE
RACE, OF COURSE, WAS JULY 27TH.
I WENT DOWN ON JULY 26TH AND
REGISTERED.
BUT TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU,
I WAS NOT WHOLEHEARTEDLY IN THE
RACE FOR MANY WEEKS AFTER THAT.
WE REALLY RAN A VERY SMALL
CAMPAIGN, BASICALLY FIVE PEOPLE,
NO RADIO, NO TV.
DID ALMOST NOTHING POLITICALLY
UNTIL AFTER LABOUR DAY ONCE I
DECIDED I WOULD GO AFTER THIS,
IT WASN'T UNTIL AFTER LABOUR
DAY.
IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO REALLY
MAKE UP MY MIND AND HAVE MY
HEART BACK INTO THIS.
I'M HAPPY I DID.
I'M THRILLED WITH THE RESULT.
I'M GETTING MORE EXCITED ABOUT
TAKING ON THIS WORK DAY BY DAY.
I WILL TELL YOU IT WAS REALLY AN
INTERESTING EXERCISE THROUGH THE
MUNICIPAL ELECTION WHERE I
REALLY DID REDISCOVER THAT THERE
IS A MUCH MORE DEFINITIVE
CONNECTION BETWEEN THE
ELECTORATE AND MUNICIPAL
POLITICIANS THAN THERE WAS
DURING MY 15 YEARS AS AN MPP.
I TELL PEOPLE I COULDN'T FIND
THE INTENSITY IN A MUNICIPAL
ELECTION.
THERE WAS SOMETHING MISSING.
I FELT THROUGH MY TIME FOR 15
YEARS YOU'RE DEALING WITH HEALTH
CARE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH
EDUCATION AND HIGHWAYS AND
COMMUNITY SERVICES AND
CORRECTIONAL SERVICES AND THE
LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON, AND
YET SOMEHOW THAT DID NOT SEEM TO
RESONATE WITH PEOPLE AS MUCH AS
WHEN YOU RAN FOR MAYOR.
AND I HAD 21 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE
BEFORE THIS PARTICULAR ELECTION.
I SERVED AS A COUNCILLOR FOR SIX
YEARS IN NORTHWOODWARD IN
THUNDER BAY AND FOR 15 YEARS IN
CABINET BOTH.
PEOPLE TOUCHED BASE WITH ME MORE
IN THIS CAMPAIGN THAN I FELT IN
THE FIVE PREVIOUS ELECTIONS
PROVINCIALLY.
IT WAS INTERESTING AND GOT ME
REINVIGORATED AND EXCITED AND
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING
STARTED.
I'VE STARTED ALREADY, I'VE HAD
MEETINGS ALREADY.

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Steve says DIPIKA, WHEN DO YOU
THINK YOURSELF, MAYBE I'M NOT DONE?

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Dipika says IT'S FUNNY,
DURING THE ELECTION, THE
PROVINCIAL ELECTION, A NUMBER OF
TIMES, AND I'M SURE GRANVILLE
HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCE, YOU GO
TO THE DOOR AND THEY GO WE LIKE
YOU, WE JUST DON'T LIKE YOUR PARTY.
AND I'D BE GOING, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

Steve says I BET IT WASN'T
PARTY, THEY WERE SAYING.
WE LIKE YOU, DIPIKA, WE DON'T
LIKE YOUR LEADER.
NOT TO PILE ON.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I HEARD OVER AND
OVER AT THE DOOR.

Dipika says SO I JUST
MADE A JOKE ONE TIME TO ONE OF
MY VOLUNTEERS, SAYING IF I EVER
RUN MUNICIPALLY, MARK THIS DOWN.
IT WAS JUST A JOKE AT THAT POINT
BECAUSE YOU'RE SO FULLY INVESTED
IN TRYING TO WIN.
AND THOSE WHO KNOW ME, I'M VERY
COMPETITIVE.
SO I WAS GOING AFTER EVERY LAST
VOTE.
BUT AFTER THE ELECTION, AS WE
WENT TO PICK UP SIGNS, VERY MUCH
LIKE WHEN BILL WAS SAYING, YOU
KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN MY SIGNS
IN A TOUGH ELECTION LIKE THIS,
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE VERY LOYAL,
THEY LIKE YOU A LOT.
AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO
SAID, DIPIKA, YOU SHOULD RUN
MUNICIPALLY.

Steve says HAD IT NOT OCCURRED
TO YOU BEFORE PEOPLE SAID THAT
TO YOU, AS A SERIOUS OPTION?

Dipika says NOT IN ANY SERIOUS WAY.
I'LL BE HONEST, YOU KNOW, EARLY
IN FEBRUARY, THE COUNCILLOR FOR
MY WARD STEPPED DOWN AND WE JUST
MET SOCIALLY AND HE SAID, "WELL,
IF THINGS DON'T WORK OUT FOR
YOU, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THIS."
AND AT THAT POINT FEBRUARY I WAS
SO FOCUSED ON WINNING MY OWN
RIDING.
I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING
INTO OPPOSITION.
I KNEW WE WOULDN'T MAKE
GOVERNMENT.
BUT I FIGURED THAT I'D GO INTO
OPPOSITION.
AND SO IT WAS SOMETHING THERE
BUT IT WASN'T SOMETHING YOU
THOUGHT ABOUT SERIOUSLY.
AGAIN, LIKE BILL, THERE WAS A
LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, THINKING
JUST WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO DO
AND DO I REALLY WANT TO GO BACK
TO THOSE SAME DOORS BECAUSE IT
WAS A VERY, VERY TOUGH ELECTION
FOR MANY OF US, AND SOMETIMES IT
WAS PERSONAL.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I STILL
REMEMBER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AS I
WAS CANVASSING, PEOPLE WOULD
SAY, "KEEP WALKING."
THEY DIDN'T EVEN WANT ME TO GO
KNOCK ON THEIR DOOR.

Steve says "DON'T TALK TO ME."

Dipika says JUST KEEP WALKING.
SOMEONE HAD TAKEN THE TIME TO
PUT UP A POSTER WITH ALL OF THE
THINGS THAT HE THOUGHT WE HAD
DONE WRONG AND A BIG CAPTION
SAYING, "IF YOU ARE THE LIBERAL
CANDIDATE, DON'T BOTHER
KNOCKING."
OR I HAD THIS WOMAN WHO SAID TO
ME, I HAD A VOLUNTEER WHO WAS
CARRYING THE SIGN, BECAUSE
TOWARDS THE END WE WOULD PUT
SIGNS AS WE KNOCKED ON DOORS,
AND WE WEREN'T ACTUALLY GOING TO
HER DOOR BUT SHE SAW HIM WITH A
SIGN AND SHE SAID, "I WOULD BURN
THAT SIGN IF YOU PUT IT ON MY LAWN."
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS... THAT
WAS AT THE BACK OF MY MIND,
LIKE, DO YOU WANT TO GO RIGHT
BACK AND KNOCK ON DOORS JUST
HAVING LIVED THROUGH THIS KIND
OF A VERY DIFFICULT ELECTION.

Steve says LET ME FOLLOW UP
WITH GRANVILLE IN A DIFFERENT
KIND OF WAY, WHICH IS TO SAY,
KNOWING THAT THAT REACTION IS
OUT THERE, HOW DO YOU PSYCH
YOURSELF UP TO RUN FOR ANOTHER
JOB IN POLITICS JUST A MATTER OF
A FEW MONTHS AFTER LOSING SO BADLY?

The caption changes to "Granville Anderson, @VoteGranville."

Granville says YOU KNOW WHAT?
IT CAN BE DISHEARTENING, AND I
DIDN'T REALLY CONSIDER THIS OPTION.
BUT THEN FOLKS SAID TO ME, "YOU
DID SUCH A GREAT JOB AS OUR MPP,
AND WE NEED YOU TO CONTRIBUTE."
I SAID I CAN CONTRIBUTE IN OTHER
WAYS, AS I USUALLY DO, EITHER
WAY, THERE'S ROTARY CLUB OR
ST. VINCENT TO PAUL OR COACHING.
BUT FOLKS SAID, "YOU KNOW WHAT?
YOU SHOULD CONSIDER MUNICIPAL
POLITICS."
SOME SAID YOU SHOULD RUN FOR
MAYOR, SOME SAID YOU SHOULD RUN
FOR COUNCIL.
SO I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, AND...
HOWEVER, I DIDN'T START THINKING
SERIOUSLY ABOUT IT UNTIL LABOUR
DAY, AFTER LABOUR DAY I SAID,
OKAY, I'M GOING TO DO THIS...

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Steve says HOW DO YOU PSYCH
YOURSELF UP TO DO IT AGAIN?

Granville says I DIDN'T PUT MY NAME IN UNTIL THE DEADLINE.
BUT KNOCKING ON DOORS, IT HELPS
HONEST PEOPLE, THEY SAY IT'S NOT
YOU, IT'S YOUR LEADER OR YOUR
PARTY.
AND SO THAT GAVE ME SOME HEART
IN THERE AND THOUGHT MAYBE I
SHOULD DO THIS.
AND I DID IT AND I LIKE SERVING
MY COMMUNITY AND I BELIEVE IN
MAKING PEOPLE'S LIVES BETTER IN
WHATEVER WAY I CAN, WHETHER IT'S
THROUGH THE POLITICAL PROCESS OR
DOING SOME VOLUNTEER OR
COMMUNITY WORK, WHATEVER.
SO HERE I AM.

Steve says MICHAEL, ONCE AGAIN
YOUR SITUATION IS A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT FROM EVERYBODY ELSE'S
INASMUCH AS YOU WERE KICKED OUT
OF THE PC CAUCUS, YOUR WIFE HAD
INDICATED THAT SHE WANTED TO RUN
FOR OFFICE.
THEN SHE STOOD DOWN.
THEN YOU STOOD IN.
HOW DID YOU AS A FAMILY START TO
MAKE ALL OF THOSE COMPLICATED
DECISIONS AT THE END OF THE DAY?

The caption changes to "Michael Harris, @michaelharrispc."

Michael says IT WAS
BECAUSE MY FAMILY, FRANKLY,
STRONG SUPPORT NETWORK, AS
POLITICIANS ESPECIALLY THE GOING
AWAY FROM HOME, TO QUEEN'S PARK,
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STRONG
CONNECTION.
MY WIFE HAS BEEN AMAZING.
MY FAMILY IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME.
YOU REALLY REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT
THEY ARE WHEN YOU ARE CONFRONTED
WITH THINGS LIKE THIS.
WE KNEW OUR COMMITMENT TO OUR
COMMUNITY WAS STRONGER THAN
EVER, AND I'LL TELL YOU, ALBEIT
BAD AT TIMES THROUGHOUT YOUR
TERM ON ISSUES, WHEN I WOULD GO
OUT TO MY COMMUNITY LOCALLY AND
IN THE REGION, PEOPLE WERE
ABSOLUTELY JUST SO
OVERWHELMINGLY GREAT.
HUGS FROM COMPLETE STRANGERS.
THANK YOU CARDS.
EMAILS.
CALLS.
OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTIVE TO THE
POINT THAT YOU CAN'T NOT AT
LEAST CONSIDER THE REQUEST TO
CONTINUE TO SERVE.
AGAIN, IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF THE
PASSION FOR THE ISSUES THAT I
DIDN'T HAVE ANY LONGER OR FOR
THE PEOPLE...

Steve says NO, BUT YOUR EXIT
THE FIRST TIME, THOUGH, WAS
MISERABLE, RIGHT?

Michael says I WOULD WISH IT UPON NO ONE, TRUTHFULLY, FRANKLY.

Steve says WHERE DID THE NOTION
COME FROM, THAT WAS SUCH AN
AWFUL EXPERIENCE, I WANT TO GET
BACK IN?

Michael says MUNICIPALLY YOU DON'T HAVE
THE PARTY APPARATUS AND THE
THINGS BEHIND THE SCENES A LOT
OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
AGAIN, I WISH IT UPON NOBODY,
AND I HOPE... I SEE THE
MUNICIPAL SIDE OF IT NOT HAVING
THOSE FACTORS OR FACTIONS TO
DEAL WITH, YOU'RE THERE TO
REPRESENT PEOPLE ON THE ISSUES
THAT MATTER MOST.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF ISSUES I
WORKED ON IN MY POLITICAL
CAREER, WHETHER ROUND-ABOUTS,
FAIR TENDERING, REALLY I'LL
CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO WORK ON
THROUGH MY ADVOCACY AT THE
REGIONAL COUNCIL TABLE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

Steve says I WANT TO ASK BILL
AND DIPIKA A QUESTION, YOU TWO
WERE BOTH CABINET MINISTERS AND
NOW YOU'RE IN MUNICIPAL
POLITICS.
WHETHER IT'S FAIR OR NOT, THERE
ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SAY,
WAIT A SECOND.
YOU HAD A PRETTY COOL JOB
BEFORE.
BEING IN CABINET IS A REALLY
GREAT JOB AND BEING ON A CITY
COUNCIL IS LESS OF A GREAT JOB.
BILL MAURO, TO YOU FIRST.
HOW DID YOU PSYCH YOURSELF UP IN
YOUR OWN HEAD TO GO FOR A JOB
WHICH MANY PEOPLE WOULD SEE AS A
DEMOTION FROM WHAT YOU WERE
DOING BEFORE?

Bill says WELL, I GUESS,
STEVE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SIMILAR
TO THE ANSWER THAT I JUST GAVE
IN THE LAST QUESTION.
I DID NOT IMMEDIATELY MAKE UP MY
MIND THAT THIS IS WHAT I WANTED
TO DO, AS I THINK MOST OF THE
PANEL HAS SUGGESTED, A NUMBER OF
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE
COME UP TO ALL OF US AND
ENCOURAGED US TO CONTINUE TO
SERVE AND TO RUN.
THE CLOSER I GET, THOUGH, TO
DOING THIS, I MUST... ALMOST A
BIT OF AN ADMISSION HERE.
I'M GAINING A GREATER
APPRECIATION OF THE ROLE OF THE
MAYOR, EVEN THOUGH I SERVED
MUNICIPALLY FOR SIX YEARS BEFORE
MY 15 YEARS PROVINCIALLY, I'M
BEGINNING TO GET A GREATER
APPRECIATION FOR THE ROLE OF
MAYOR AND THE ABILITY TO TRY AND
FRAME THE NARRATIVE, TO BE THE
SPOKESPERSON FOR COUNCIL, EVEN
THOUGH YOU'RE ONLY ONE VOTE.
I HOPE I'M NOT BEING A BIT NAIVE
HERE AS I MOVE FORWARD.
BUT I'M MEETING WITH ALL THE NEW
COUNCILLORS.
WE HAVE I THINK SIX NEW OR FIVE
COMPLETELY NEW AND TWO WHO ARE
RETURNING, AND ONLY ABOUT FOUR
OR FIVE WHO WERE THERE
PREVIOUSLY TO GOING INTO THIS
ELECTION.
SO I'M MEETING WITH ALL OF THEM
AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT MY
CAPACITY, MY ABILITY TO TRY AND
FRAME A NARRATIVE, UNDERSTANDING
THAT I ONLY HAVE ONE VOTE, TO
LEAD THE CITY AND TRY TO, I
WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, SORT OF
REHABILITATE THE IMAGE OF
THUNDER BAY TO SOME DEGREE.
WE'VE HAD A PRETTY TOUGH YEAR OR
NUMBER OF YEARS, FIVE YEARS AT
LEAST, I WOULD SAY, IN TERMS OF
SOME OF THE GOINGS-ON HERE.
I'M EXCITED BY THAT AND AS I SAY
I'M GAINING A GREATER
APPRECIATION FOR THE ROLE OF
MAYOR AS I GET CLOSER TO TAKING
THE CHAIR.

Steve says DIPIKA, HOW DO YOU
NOT SEE THIS, FORMER CABINET
MINISTER, NOW A MUNICIPAL
COUNCILLOR, HOW DO YOU NOT SEE
IT AS A DEMOTION?

Dipika says WHEN I GOT FIRST ELECTED, A
FORMER PREMIER, AND IT REALLY
RESONATED, THE PERSON SAID THAT
SOME PEOPLE GET INTO POLITICS TO
BE SOMEBODY AND THEY WILL ALWAYS
BE DISAPPOINTED.
AND OTHERS GET INTO POLITICS TO
DO SOMETHING, AND THEY WILL
ALWAYS BE REWARDED.
SO I THINK TO LOOK AT IT THROUGH
THE LENS OF PROMOTION-DEMOTION,
I THINK IT'S ABOUT WANTING TO
SERVE.
AND ONE OF THE REALLY
INTERESTING THINGS, WHEN I WAS
THE MPP AND THE WARD THAT I'M
NOW COUNCILLOR FOR OVERLAPS WITH
MY FORMER RIDING, THERE WERE A
COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT I REALLY,
REALLY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD ON
BUT I COULDN'T BECAUSE THEY WERE
STRICTLY IN THE COUNCILLOR AREA.
ONE WAS THE REVITALIZATION OF
COOKSVILLE 5 AND 10, I'M NOT
SURE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH
THAT IN MISSISSAUGA.

Steve says 5 AND 10 ARE
REFERENCES TO HIGHWAYS THERE.

Dipika says THAT'S THE HISTORIC
COOKSVILLE AND IT'S REALLY JUST
TWO HIGHWAYS INTERSECTING NOW.
AND I ALWAYS FELT IT COULD BE A
LOT MORE LIKE STREETSVILLE OR
PORT CREDIT WITH A BIA.
WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED I WAS
EXCITED ABOUT MOVING FORWARD ON
THAT, BUT I COULDN'T.
AND THE OTHER ISSUE I REALLY
WANTED TO WORK ON WAS COMMUNITY
GARDENS BECAUSE MISSISSAUGA HAS
A LOT MORE HIGH-RISES AND NO
PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO GARDEN.
SO JUST INITIATIVES LIKE THAT
THAT I WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN
BUT I HAD TO SORT OF TAKE A STEP
BACK BECAUSE I COULDN'T GET
INVOLVED AS AN MPP, SO NOW I
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY
WORK ON THOSE ISSUES.
SO I DON'T VIEW IT AS ALL AS
THAT.
I VIEW IT AS A NEW CHAPTER.

Steve says WHO WAS THE PREMIER
WHO SAID THAT TO YOU?

Dipika says I CAN'T TELL YOU.

Steve says IT'S A VERY SMART
OBSERVATION.

Dipika says A GOOD BOOK.

Steve says IT IS.
DO YOU SET BACK, MICHAEL, AND
ASK YOURSELF... ELECTIONS ARE
ESSENTIALLY JOB INTERVIEWS.
WHY DID THEY REHIRE YOU, DO YOU
THINK?

Michael says WELL, LOOK,
I MEAN, THEY SAW MY ENERGY AND
EFFORT FROM 2011 ONWARDS ON, YOU
KNOW WHAT, ADVOCATING FOR THE
ISSUES THAT WERE MOST IMPORTANT
TO THEM, ATTENDING AT COMMUNITY
EVENTS, I WAS VERY ACTIVE.
YOU KNOW, CONSTITUENT-BASED
CONCERNS, I WAS ALWAYS VERY
RESPONSIVE.
I CAME FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR
AND I BELIEVE THAT IN PUBLIC
SERVICE, WE SHOULD TREAT
CONSTITUENTS JUST LIKE OUR
CUSTOMERS.
AND SO A DIFFICULT ELECTION IN
2014, DEFENDING 100,000 JOB
CUTS.
I SURVIVED THAT BITTER ELECTION
WHICH I THINK WAS A TRUE TEST,
FRANKLY, THEN.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
THANK GOODNESS FOR THE GOOD
PEOPLE OF KITCHENER RECOGNIZED,
YOU KNOW, A HARD-WORKING
INDIVIDUAL WHO KNOWS AT THE END
OF THE DAY THAT I WILL STAND UP
FOR THE ISSUES THAT MATTER MOST
TO THEM, AND I'M THANKFUL FOR
THEIR VOTE AND CONFIDENCE,
ALMOST 17,000 VOTES IN
KITCHENER, SO A LARGE CITY, TO
CONTINUE WORKING ON THEIR BEHALF
ON THE IMPORTANT ISSUES AND I'M
GOING TO BE ONE OF THREE NEW
VOICES AT THE TABLE.
WE HAVE A GREAT COMMUNITY,
600,000 STRONG, HIGH-TECH
BOOMING ECONOMY.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO
GETTING DOWN TO THE ISSUES AND
CHALLENGES THAT FACE OUR
COMMUNITY.

Steve says THAT'S WHAT I WANT
TO FINISH UP ON BECAUSE, BILL
MAURO, I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU
THAT THUNDER BAY HAS BEEN TAKING
IT IN THE TEETH LATELY AS A
REPUTATION AS THE MURDER CAPITAL
OF CANADA, NOT TO MENTION ISSUES
AROUND RACISM AND INDIGENOUS
ISSUES AND SO ON.
WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN
ACCOMPLISH IN YOUR TIME AS MAYOR
THERE ON THESE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS?

The caption changes to "My new 'To do' list."

Bill says STEVE, IT'S A
VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE
DONE.
I AM VERY, VERY CONCERNED WITH
THE REPUTATION THAT THE CITY HAS
RECEIVED OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF
YEARS.
IN MY MIND, IT'S UNFAIR.
THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE CITY.
I'VE LIVED HERE ALMOST MY ENTIRE
LIFE.
WE'VE BEEN BLESSED TO BE BORN
HERE, TO GROW UP HERE, TO BE
ABLE TO RAISE OUR FAMILIES HERE.
AND WHAT'S OCCURRED OVER THE
LAST FIVE YEARS IS VERY, VERY
UNFORTUNATE.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THUNDER
BAY DOES NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES.
BUT I GUESS IF I WAS TO FLIP
THIS AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND SAY
THAT THE CITY OF TORONTO HAS HAD
85 OR 90 MURDERS THIS YEAR,
WE'RE NOT REFERRING TO TORONTO,
YOU KNOW, AS THE MURDER CAPITAL
OF ONTARIO OR OF CANADA.
WE'RE NOT REFERRING TO TORONTO
AS A RACIST CITY WHEN WE'VE SEEN
THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT
REALLY TAKE HOLD THERE, ALL FOR
GOOD REASON.
SO IT'S VERY CONCERNING TO ME
THAT THUNDER BAY HAS ENDED UP
WITH THIS REPUTATION.
WE HAVE ISSUES, JUST LIKE ALL
COMMUNITIES HAVE ISSUES, AND
WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THOSE AND
SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO
REHABILITATE OUR REPUTATION.
BUT IT'S A GREAT PLACE, IT'S
ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT PLACE, AND
THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE
TOP THREE PRIORITIES FOR ME
GOING FORWARD.

Steve says GRANVILLE, WHAT DO
YOU WANT TO SEE GET DONE DURING
THE TIME THAT YOU'VE GOT ON COUNCIL?

Granville says I WANT
TO MOVE COUNCIL FORWARD.
I WANT TO SEE WE WORK
COLLABORATIVELY FOR THE
BETTERMENT OF DURHAM REGION.
AND PART OF ME BEING THERE, THE
PROJECT I ALLUDED TO EARLIER ON,
I CAN PUT PRESSURE ON THE
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT AND MAKE
SURE THEY'RE NOT CANCELLED, AND
I WANT TO SEE THEM THROUGH.
THAT'S A BIG PART OF THAT.
AND AROUND THAT I WANT TO SEE
MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AROUND
SUCH AS THE 407 HIGHWAY I WANT
TO SEE.
WHERE I AM, IT IS REALLY A
BEDROOM COMMUNITY.
SO I WANT TO SEE THAT
TRANSFORMATION.
AND AT THE SAME TIME PROTECT
FARMLAND.
FARMLAND IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT
WE PROTECT OUR GRADE ONE
FARMLAND AS WELL.
BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE
THERE'S THAT BALANCE IN GROWTH
AS WELL AS QUALITY OF LIFE,
GREENSPACE IS PROTECTED.
SO I WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT
AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO
ADVANCE DURHAM REGION FORWARD.
HOPEFULLY I CAN DO THAT.
AND I THANK THE VOTERS OF
CLARINGTON FOR THE CONFIDENCE
THEY HAVE IN ME.
I WAS ELECTED THREE OR FOUR
TIMES AS A TRUSTEE PRIOR TO
BEING THEIR MPP, AND NOW THEY
HAVE SEEN FIT TO REELECT ME.

Steve says SO YOU'VE BEEN AT
THE SCHOOL BOARD LEVEL, YOU'VE
BEEN AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL, THE
PROVINCIAL LEVEL, YOU STILL HAVE
TO RUN FOR MP...

Granville says YES.

Steve says I WANT TO ASK YOU
THIS, DIPIKA, BECAUSE MUCH OF
WHAT MUNICIPAL POLITICIANS DO,
OF COURSE, IS GO TO THE PROVINCE
AND SAY, "CAN YOU HELP US WITH
THIS?"
THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE POWER
LIES.
I WONDER, IF YOU ARE CONCERNED
THAT IT WILL BE A PROBLEM FOR
YOU THREE EX-LIBERAL MPPs TO
HAVE TO DEAL WITH A TORY
GOVERNMENT AT QUEEN'S PARK?
DOES THAT MAKE YOU NOT AS GOOD A
MESSENGER AS, SAY, THIS GUY
MIGHT BE DEALING WITH A TORY
GOVERNMENT AT QUEEN'S PARK?

Dipika says ABSOLUTELY NOT.
ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING
THINGS IS, WHEN I FIRST BECAME
AN MPP, IT WAS THE HARPER
GOVERNMENT AND ALL FIVE IN THE
AREA WERE CONSERVATIVE.
I WAS REALLY, REALLY AMAZED AT
WHAT A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP
I HAD WITH MY MP.
I WAS MOST GRACIOUS AND
SOMETIMES I THINK THE RIVALRY
BETWEEN FELLOW LIBERALS COULD BE
A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENSE
BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING AFTER THE
SAME DONATION DOLLARS AND THE
SAME VOLUNTEER BASE, WHILE WITH
A FEDERAL MP WHO WAS OF A
DIFFERENT STRIPE, WE WEREN'T
NECESSARILY GOING AFTER THE
SAME, YOU KNOW, POOL OF
VOLUNTEERS AND MONEY.

Steve says GOOD POINT.

Dipika says SO I HAD A GOOD WORKING
RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.
I HAVE A GOOD WORKING
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CURRENT
LIBERAL MP AS WELL, AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE
CURRENT CONSERVATIVE MPP.

Steve says LET ME PUT THAT TO
BILL MAURO.
WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR FIRST MEETING
WITH THE CONSERVATIVE MINISTER
OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS, HOW IS
THAT GOING TO GO?

Bill says WELL, I HOPE IT
GOES WELL.
TO YOUR POINT, STEVE, I THINK
THERE IS A GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT
IT WILL BE MORE DIFFICULT.
BUT NOT SIMPLY BECAUSE I WAS A
LIBERAL AND NOW WE HAVE A
CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT.
BUT I THINK MOST OF US ARE
STARTING TO GET A SENSE THAT
THIS WILL BE A GOVERNMENT THAT
SPENDS LESS.
PART OF WHAT I'M DOING IN MY
COMMUNITY HERE IS TRYING TO
FRAME A NARRATIVE, AS WE HIT THE
GROUND RUNNING AS A NEW COUNCIL
AND GET READY TO LAUNCH
IMMEDIATELY INTO OUR BUDGET
SESSION, I'M TRYING TO FRAME A
NARRATIVE THAT WE NEED TO BE
CAUTIOUS AND WE NEED TO BE
PRUDENT, AND ONE OF THE
REASONS... THERE ARE SEVERAL...
BUT ONE OF THE REASONS IS I'M
NOT SO SURE THAT SOME OF THE
ASSISTANCE THAT HAS BEEN FLOWING
TO MUNICIPALITIES FOR A VERY
LONG TIME WILL CONTINUE.
IT'S JUST A CAUTION.
I'M HOPING THAT THEY KEEP
MUNICIPALITIES IN MIND AS THEY
GO INTO THEIR OWN BUDGET CYCLES.
BUT IT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS
THAT I HAVE.
SO IT'S MORE ABOUT WHETHER OR
NOT THEY WILL MAINTAIN THE SAME
PRIORITIES OF HELPING
MUNICIPALITIES THAN IT IS ABOUT
LIBERAL VERSUS CONSERVATIVE.

Steve says I THINK YOU ALSO HAD
THAT JOB, RIGHT?
ARE YOU GOING TO RESIST THE
TEMPTATION TO SAY TO THE
MINISTER OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS,
WHEN I HAD THE JOB, HERE'S HOW
WE DID IT AND THIS IS WHAT YOU
OUGHT TO DO.

Bill says I GUESS THAT WILL DEPEND ON WHAT STEVE DOES.

Steve says THAT'S STEVE CLARK.

Bill says STEVE CLARK.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING
DRAMATIC THAT'S COME OUT OF
STEVE CLARK'S MINISTRY THAT WILL
IMPACT...

Steve says YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T
LIVE IN TORONTO, BILL MAURO.
YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T LIVE IN
TORONTO.

Bill says I KNOW YOU HAD A LITTLE
TROUBLE WITH YOUR MUNICIPAL
ELECTION BUT I WAS TALKING MORE
ABOUT THE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE
THAT HAD BEEN FLOWING TO
MUNICIPALITIES, NOT THE WAY THEY
DEALT WITH THE TORONTO COUNCIL
ISSUE.

Steve says OKAY.
I GOTCHA.
MICHAEL HARRIS, WHAT'S ON YOUR
TO-DO LIST?

Michael says REGION OF
WATERLOO, WE ARE FINISHING OUR
LRT, WE ARE WAITING FOR
BOMBARDIER TO GET THEIR TRAINS
UP AND RUNNING AND GET THAT
COMMISSIONED.
IT'S THE BIG PROJECT ON THE GO
TO GET THEM.

Steve says EVEN IF YOU GET
THEM, YOU MAY SEND THEM BACK TO
FIX THEM.

Bill says THEY'VE DONE A
GREAT JOB HERE IN THUNDER BAY,
STEVE.

Michael says TWO-WAY ALL-DAY GO IS A HUGE THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
OF COURSE, AS BILL MENTIONED WE
KNOW THERE'S BELT-TIGHTENING
PROVINCIALLY, AND I THINK IT'S
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
MUNICIPALITIES TO ALSO LOOK FROM
WITHIN AND SAY HOW CAN WE BECOME
MORE EFFICIENT?
WE HAVE A TWO-TIER GOVERNMENT IN
OUR REGION.
THERE MAY BE SOME DISCUSSIONS
WHERE THAT WILL LEAD DURING THIS
MANDATE PROVINCIALLY.

Steve says THAT'S A VERY
SURREPTITIOUS WAY OF SAYING THAT
THE MINISTER OF MUNICIPAL
AFFAIRS MAY ELIMINATE ONE WHOLE
LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT.
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR VIEW ON THAT?

Michael says I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT ON MUNICIPAL LEADERS TO BETTER
SERVE THEIR CONSTITUENTS AND BE
MORE EFFICIENT.
WE HAVE TO STRETCH DOLLARS THE
WAY WE CAN AND THE COST OF
GOVERNANCE IS A BIG PART OF
THAT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A LOOK AT THAT.
OTHER ISSUES I'VE TALKED ABOUT
ARE ON THE LABOUR FRONT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE PRIORITIES,
ROUND-ABOUTS, CLEARLY, AND
SERVING THE EVERYDAY NEEDS OF MY
COMMUNITY.
CLEARLY THE OPIATE ISSUE IS A
BIG FACTOR WE ARE FACING IN THE
REGION OF WATERLOO, THE DEBATE
ON SAFE INJECTION SITES.
WE'RE WAITING FOR THE PROVINCE
TO COME FORWARD WITH THE DETAILS
ON THAT.
THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF ISSUES IN
A GREAT, FRANKLY, MASSIVELY
STRONG ECONOMIC, YOU KNOW, HUB
IN ONTARIO OR CANADA, WATERLOO
REGION.
I'M EXCITED TO BE A PART OF SUCH
A DYNAMIC COMMUNITY AT AN
INTERESTING TIME.

Steve says DIPIKA, THERE WAS
THAT LINE IN GODFATHER III,
WHERE MICHAEL CORLEONE SAYS,
EVERY TIME I THINK I'M OUT, THEY
SUCK ME BACK IN.
DO YOU EVER FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT
POLITICS?

Dipika says I LOVE POLITICS.
I NEVER FEEL SUCKED IN.

The caption changes to "Producer: Steve Paikin, @spaikin; Colin Ellis, @ColinEllis81."

Steve says FAIR ENOUGH.
STARTING IN THUNDER BAY,
ONTARIO, WITH BILL MAURO WHO IS
THE INCOMING MAYOR OF THUNDER
BAY, WILL BE SWORN IN AS SUCH
NEXT MONTH.
BILL MAURO, THANKS AGAIN FOR
COMING ON TVO TONIGHT.
HERE IN OUR STUDIO, DIPIKA
DAMERLA WHO IS ON MISSISSAUGA
AND PEEL CITY COUNCILS,
GRANVILLE ANDERSON, DURHAM
REGIONAL COUNCIL, MICHAEL
HARRIS, WATERLOO REGIONAL
COUNCIL.
GOOD TO HAVE ALL OF YOU HERE AT
YONGE AND EGLINTON AS WELL.

Dipika says THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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