Transcript: World War One: A Century On | Nov 08, 2018

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and spotted purple tie.

A caption on screen reads "World war one: A century on."

Steve says A CENTURY AGO, THE
GUNS FINALLY FELL SILENT AS
WORLD WAR I DREW TO A CLOSE.
IT DEFINED THIS COUNTRY IN MANY
WAYS.
NOW, THANKS TO THE VIMY
FOUNDATION'S EFFORTS TO COLLECT
AND COLOURIZE IMAGES OF THAT
ERA, WE'VE GOT A FRESH VIEW OF
THE WESTERN FRONT AND THE HOME
FRONT.
THE BOOK IS CALLED: "THEY FOUGHT
IN COLOUR: A NEW LOOK AT
CANADA'S FIRST WORLD WAR EFFORT."

A picture of the book appears briefly on screen. The cover features a coloured picture of soldiers carrying a wounded man along a dirt road surrounded by devastation.

Steve continues JOINING US NOW TO LOOK BACK 100 YEARS:
VIA SKYPE FROM ARRAS, FRANCE:
JEREMY DIAMOND, EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE VIMY FOUNDATION.

Jeremy is in his thirties, with ginger hair and a full beard. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit, blue shirt, and a red poppy pin.

Steve continues AND HERE IN OUR STUDIO:
TWO OF THE CONTRIBUTORS TO "THEY
FOUGHT IN COLOUR":
ACTOR R.H. THOMSON, ALSO
PRODUCER OF THE MULTIMEDIA
COMMEMORATION PROJECT CALLED
"THE WORLD REMEMBERS"...

R.H. is in his late fifties, clean-shaven, with short wavy blond hair. He's wearing a blue suit, black shirt, and a red poppy pin.

Steve continues AND HISTORIAN CHARLOTTE GRAY, AUTHOR
MOST RECENTLY OF "THE PROMISE OF CANADA."

Charlotte is in her sixties, with blond hair in a short bob and bangs. She's wearing a black velvet blazer, a red scarf, and a red poppy pin.

Steve continues AND CAROLINE TOLTON, VIMY
FOUNDATION 2018 SUMMER PROGRAM
PARTICIPANT.

Caroline is in her teens, with long wavy auburn hair. She's wearing a black shirt and a red poppy pin.

Steve continues EVEN MORE THAN THAT, WHAT DID YOU JUST WIN?

Caroline says THE 2018
BEAVERBROOK VIMY PRIZE.

Steve says WHICH MEANS YOU GOT
TO GO OVER THERE.

Caroline says I DID, YES.

Steve says WE'RE GOING TO HEAR
ABOUT THAT AS WE GO ALONG HERE.
I WELCOME EVERYBODY HERE AND
OVERSEAS, JEREMY, GOOD TO HAVE
YOU ON THE LINE.
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE
HERE OF REALLY HOW STRIKING
THESE PHOTOS ARE AND HOW
IMPRESSIVELY DIFFERENT IT IS.
THERE'S 1915.
THAT'S AT THE CANADIAN NATIONAL
EXHIBITION GROUNDS.

A black and white picture appears, In the picture, a group of soldiers crouching behind a makeshift barricade leap out and run carrying rifles as a crowd watches attentively.

Steve continues THESE ARE TROOPS TRAINING FOR
BATTLE IN FRONT OF A CROWD,
FIRST IN BLACK AND WHITE, AND
LOOK AT HOW THEY TRANSITION TO
COLOUR.
LOOK AT THAT PICTURE.

The same picture appears in colour, allowing the crowd in the background to stand out from the soldiers and making a British flag more easily visible.

Steve continues LOOK AT HOW... IT'S SO MUCH MORE
EVOCATIVE IN COLOUR, AND JEREMY,
I WANT TO START WITH YOU ON
THAT.
WHERE DID THIS NOTION OF
COLOURIZING PICTURES FROM 100
YEARS AGO AND MORE COME FROM AND
WHY DID YOU DO IT?

The caption changes to "Jeremy Diamond. The Vimy Foundation."
Then, it changes again to "Bringing history alive."

Jeremy says WELL,
THANKS FOR HAVING ME AND HI TO
THE PANEL.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT THAT
CAROLINE IS ON THE PANEL BECAUSE
THIS WAS REACTION TO HEARING
FROM STUDENTS AND FROM TEACHERS,
EDUCATORS, THAT WERE STILL
TEACHING THE FIRST WORLD WAR,
BUT I THINK THAT THEY WERE JUST
NOT THRILLED ABOUT THE SAME WAY
OF TEACHING IT YEAR AFTER YEAR.
SO THEY CAME TO US.
"WE WANT NEW WAYS OF TEACHING
POTENTIALLY AN OLD STORY IN A
NEW WAY."
SO WE TOOK IT UPON OURSELVES TO
TRY TO DEVELOP SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.
WE TOOK THAT FAMOUS PHOTO OF THE
BOYS CHEERING AFTER THE BATTLE
OF VIMY RIDGE ON THE BACK OF THE
TRUCKS, AND WE SENT IT OFF TO A
COLOURIZED SPECIALIST OUT IN
B.C. AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT?
LET'S SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
PEOPLE KNOW THE PHOTO BUT LET'S
SEE IF IT MAKES A REAL
DIFFERENCE.
WHEN WE GOT IT BACK, WE WERE
BLOWN AWAY.
IT ALMOST LOOKS 3D IN NATURE,
YOU CAN SEE THEIR EXPRESSIONS
AND WHAT THEY WERE REALLY DOING
AND FEELING AND WE SENT A FEW
MORE AFTER THAT AND A FEW MORE
AFTER THAT, AND BEFORE YOU KNOW
IT, WE HAD A BOOK AND A WHOLE
NEW WAY AGAIN OF LOOKING AT AN
OLD STORY.
WE'RE THRILLED WITH THE WAY THEY
CAME OUT.
IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TALK
ABOUT THESE SUBJECTS AGAIN BUT
IN A NEW, FRESH WAY.

In a coloured picture, young soldiers in perfect formation salute a man standing atop a flight of steps outside a building. The man, clad in a blue overcoat, waves his hat at the soldiers.

Steve says CHARLOTTE, HOW DO
YOU THINK ADDING COLOUR TO THESE
OLD PICTURES CHANGE THE WAY WE
TAKE IN THIS TIME?

The caption changes to "Charlotte Gray. Author, 'The promise of Canada.'"

Charlotte says I THINK IT
ACTUALLY JUST... AS JEREMY
SAID... IT BRINGS THE
INDIVIDUALS IN THE PICTURES TO
LIFE.
I MEAN, SUDDENLY THEY'RE NOT
JUST PEOPLE WHO DIED 100 YEARS
AGO IN ANOTHER WORLD WHERE THERE
WAS NO COLOUR AND THAT WE CAN'T
EVEN IMAGINE.
THEY LOOK SO LIKE THE GUY YOU
MIGHT SEE IN THE GYM OR THE
WOMEN IN THE GYM OR AT
STARBUCKS.
THEY'RE PEOPLE... THEY'RE
YOUNGSTERS, AND YOU REALIZE HOW
THE GRUELING EXPERIENCES THEY
HAD AND YOU'RE IN THE PICTURE
YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU RECOGNIZE
THOSE FACES, THOSE TYPES, AND
YOU THINK WHAT MUST IT HAVE BEEN
LIKE?

In a coloured picture, soldiers gather around as one hands out letters. A few of the soldiers read letters.
In another, a smiling soldier carries a bicycle as he walks along a path flanked by tents.

Steve says CAROLINE, I WONDER
IF WHAT JEREMY SAID RESONATES
WITH YOU INASMUCH AS PEOPLE OF
YOUR GENERATION, WHEN YOU SEE
THESE OLD PICTURES IN BLACK AND
WHITE, AND THEN YOU SEE THEM IN
COLOUR, DOES IT MAKE THAT BIG A
DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF YOUR
APPRECIATION FOR THE TIME?

The caption changes to "Caroline Tolton. 2018 Beaverbrook Vimy Prize Recipient."

says YES, FOR SURE.
I MEAN, IN HISTORY CLASS, ONE OF
THE WAYS WE LEARN IS THROUGH
TEXT BOOKS, AND LOOKING AT OLD
BLACK AND WHITE PHOTOGRAPHS, I
THINK IT'S SOMETHING COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT TO SEE THEM IN COLOUR.
I KNOW WHEN I FIRST SAW THE BOOK
"THEY FOUGHT IN COLOUR," WHEN I
GOT MY FIRST COPY AND LOOKED
THROUGH THE PHOTOS, IT REALLY
DID BRING THEM TO LIFE IN A WAY
THAT WAS HARD WITH BLACK AND
WHITE PHOTOS AND BLACK AND WHITE VIDEO.

In a coloured picture, a man leans against a run-down wooden wagon in the woods and reads from a piece of paper.

Caroline continues I THINK IT HUMANIZES IT A LOT
MORE AND MAKES IT MORE PERSONAL.
I LOVE THE TITLE OF THE BOOK
THEY FOUGHT IN COLOUR, IT WAS
MORE THE WAY THEY SAW IT WHEN
THEY WERE FIGHTING.

In a picture, smiling women in white aprons walk along a green field.

Steve says YOU ARE A
PUBLICIST'S DREAM.
YOU'VE BEEN TALKING 30 SECONDS
AND MENTIONED THE BOOK TITLE
TWICE OR THREE TIMES?
WELL DONE.
CHARLOTTE, WHO WOULD HAVE TAKEN
THESE PICTURES IN THE FIRST PLACE?

The caption changes to "Charlotte Gray. Contributor, 'They fought in colour.'"

Charlotte says SOME OF
THEM ARE ACTUALLY PICTURES THAT
WERE USED FOR PROPAGANDA.
THEY WERE FROM THE DEPARTMENT...
WHAT IS NOW THE DEPARTMENT OF
NATIONAL DEFENSE.
SOME OF THEM IN FACT WERE
ILLEGALLY TAKEN BY THE SOLDIERS
THEMSELVES.
THEY WEREN'T REALLY MEANT TO
TAKE PHOTOS OR HAVE CAMERAS, BUT
MANY OF THEM DID, AND THEY TOOK
PICTURES OF THEIR FRIENDS.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE WERE
CONSTANTLY JOURNALISTS GOING TO
THE FRONT.
THERE WERE CONSTANTLY REPORTERS
THERE.
THERE'S A PICTURE OF THE
REPORTERS BEING TOLD WHAT A
GLORIOUS BATTLE THE SOLDIERS HAD
JUST FOUGHT.
AND SO... IN FACT, AN
EXTRAORDINARY NUMBER OF THE
PICTURES FROM THE FIRST WORLD
WAR SHOW SORT OF SOLDIERS
LOOKING FAIRLY RELAXED, A
DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF THEM,
IN FACT, GIVEN THE MISERY OF THE
CONDITIONS THEY WERE IN.
BUT THEY CAME FROM A LOT OF
DIFFERENT SOURCES.

Steve says R.H. THOMPSON, WE
SHOULD REMIND EVERYBODY, 100
YEARS AGO, WE WERE A COUNTRY 50
YEARS OLD.
THE POPULATION OF THE COUNTRY IS
A QUARTER WHAT IT IS TODAY.

The caption changes to "Off to war."

R.H. says 50 YEARS OLD
BUT THEY FIRST ARRIVED 5,000,
10,000 YEARS AGO.

Steve says 50 YEARS OLD IS
CANADA.

R.H. says THE CONFEDERATION.

Steve says FINE POINT.
ABSOLUTELY.
AND I GUESS WE ALSO... BECAUSE
YOUR GENERATION MAY MAKE
ASSUMPTIONS OR EVEN MY
GENERATION MAY MAKE ASSUMPTIONS
THAT CANADA INDEPENDENTLY WALKED
INTO THIS WAR.
NO, BRITAIN DECLARED WAR AND WE
WERE IN BECAUSE WE WERE PART OF
THE MOTHERSHIP.
WHAT WAS THE STATE OF OUR ARMED
FORCES 100 YEARS AGO?

The caption changes to "R.H. Thomson. Producer, 'The world remembers.'"

R.H. says WELL, IT'S A
COUNTRY THAT WAS SORT OF UNDER
THE THRALL OF ITS PARENTS, IN
THIS CASE EUROPE, IN THIS CASE
BRITAIN.
BUT THERE WERE MANY FACTIONS IN
CANADA.
THERE WAS THE PRO ANGLO FASHION,
MY MOTHER ON THE WEST COAST,
MORE BRITISH THAN BRITISH.
SOME HAD NO INTEREST IN BEING
BRITISH DESCENDANTS AND IT WAS
FRENCH CANADA.
IT WAS A MULTICULTURAL NATIONAL
THAT DIDN'T SEE ITSELF AS A
MULTICULTURAL NATION.

In a coloured picture, a soldier in a green uniform and a person in a blue uniform kneel and pray to a small outdoor shrine.

Steve says THAT'S INTERESTING
WE THINK IT STARTED IN THE
1970s WITH PIERRE TRUDEAU.
YOU'RE HERE TO TELL US NO.

R.H. says IT STARTED 500 YEARS AGO.

Steve says LET'S BRING THE NEXT
PICTURE UP.
THIS IS ONE OF THE ICONIC IMAGES
FROM THE WAR, THIS IS ABOUT
TRENCH WARFARE AND FRONT LINE
TRENCHES.
CHARLOTTE, IN YOUR BOOK YOU
QUOTE A 19-YEAR-OLD WHO WROTE TO
HIS SWEETHEART WHO SAID TRENCH
WARFARE WASN'T HELL, IT WAS
WORSE THAN HELL.
WHAT WERE THE CONDITIONS LIKE IN
THOSE TRENCHES?

In a coloured picture, two young soldiers stand in a trench and watch as a third soldier leans over the edge of the muddy trench.

The caption changes to "Digging in."

Charlotte says THEY WERE
TRULY DREADFUL, AND I DO NOT
THINK THAT ANY YOUNG CANADIAN
TODAY WOULD HONESTLY BE ABLE TO
PUT UP WITH THEM.
THEY WERE THESE YOUNG SOLDIERS
THAT WERE IN THE TRENCHES FOR
WEEKS AT A TIME.
THE TRENCHES WERE BASICALLY THE
KIND OF DITCHES THAT WERE BEING
DUG BACK HOME FOR SEWER PIPES.
THE SMELL OF THESE TRENCHES WAS
DISGUSTING, BECAUSE THERE WERE
ROTTING BODIES, THERE WAS URINE,
THERE WAS SWEAT.
YOU COULD SMELL THE FEAR.
BECAUSE THERE WAS A CONSTANT
RAIN, PARTICULARLY IN THE EARLY
YEARS OF THE WAR, THEY WERE JUST
FULL OF MUD.
A MAN WHO WENT ON TO BECOME A
VERY PROMINENT HISTORIAN AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO WROTE BACK
TO HIS PARENTS SAYING, "I SLEEP
IN MUD, I EAT MUD, I WORK IN MUD."
THE IMAGE THAT YOU GET FROM THE
LETTERS THAT THESE YOUNG
SOLDIERS WERE WRITING HOME WERE
JUST AWFUL, AND QUITE APART FROM
THAT, THERE WERE RATS AS LARGE
AS CATS RUNNING UP AND DOWN, AND
THEIR CLOTHES WERE INFESTED WITH
LICE.
SO THAT'S WHAT IT WAS LIKE.

Steve says NOW, YOU WOULD HAVE
SEEN THESE TRENCHES WHEN YOU
WERE OVER THERE.

Caroline says YEAH, YEAH.

Steve says WHAT WAS YOUR IMPRESSION?

Caroline says WELL, IT
WAS QUITE SOMETHING, REALLY,
BECAUSE, YEAH, THEY HAVE
PRESERVED A LOT OF THE TRENCHES
AND A LOT OF THE SHELL HOLES AND
THE CRATERS TOO.
AND IT'S QUITE SOMETHING TO WALK
THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE RIDDEN
WITH THESE GIANT HOLES AND
TRENCHES, AND IT MADE IT FEEL
DEFINITELY A LOT MORE REAL, A
LOT MORE REAL THAT IT CAN BE IN
THE CLASSROOM, ACTUALLY BEING
ABLE TO WALK THROUGH THE
TRENCHES.
IT WAS SOMETHING.
WE ACTUALLY WENT TO A GIANT
CRATER CALLED LOCH CRATER, IT
WAS HUGE, I WOULD SAY MAYBE HALF
A FOOTBALL FIELD.
IT WAS MASSIVE.
AND WE WALKED PAST IT.
IT JUST GIVES YOU A SENSE OF
SCALE OF THE WAR, YEAH.

Steve says ONE OF THE THINGS,
R.H., ABOUT THIS, FOR A LOT OF
PEOPLE, THIS ANNIVERSARY WILL BE
THEIR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO
CONSIDER THE EVENTS OF A CENTURY
AGO.
SO LET'S NOT ASSUME EVERYBODY
KNOWS WHAT FIGHTING 100 YEARS
AGO WAS LIKE.
TELL US.
WHAT WAS THE WARFARE LIKE BACK
THEN?

The picture on the cover of the book appears.

R.H. says I THINK
CHARLOTTE SAID IT BEST.
I MEAN... I DON'T KNOW.
I WASN'T THERE.
I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT AN HISTORIAN.
I DON'T KNOW.
I'VE READ BOOKS.
SO WHAT DO YOU KNOW?
YOU JUST LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS,
YOU LOOK AT THE CASUALTIES, YOU
LOOK AT THE FACT THAT... THEY
SAY A WOUND, A BULLET COMING
THROUGH YOUR UNIFORM, ACTUALLY
HAD A GREAT CHANCE OF KILLING
YOU BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS SO
INFESTED WITH BACTERIA FROM
EVERYTHING.
THE FARMERS, YOU KNOW,
FERTILIZED THE FIELDS WITH HUMAN
WASTE FOR SEVERAL CENTURIES, NOT
ONLY THE DEAD HORSE BUT
EVERYONE.
DEPENDING WHERE YOU WERE.
I HAVE SOME LETTERS FROM MY
GREAT UNCLE JACK WHO WAS
EUPHORIC ABOUT THE FIGHTING IN
THE LAST 100 DAYS, AND I HAVE
OTHER LETTERS FROM MY GREAT
UNCLE WHO SAID THIS IS THE
SUICIDE PLACE.
I WILL DO ANYTHING BUT GO TO THE
FRONT.
I WILL GO TO THE FLYING CORPS, I
WILL GO TO AFRICA.
HE SPENT SOME TIME AT THE FRONT.
HE SAID THAT IS A SUICIDE PLACE.
DEPENDING WHERE YOU WERE, AND
THERE WERE PLACES OF GREAT
ACTIVITY, AND THERE WERE PLACES
OF ABSOLUTE CHAOTIC AND STUPID
KILLING...

Charlotte says BECAUSE IT
WAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAR.
IT WASN'T ANYTHING LIKE THE 19TH
CENTURY WARS.

In a coloured picture, about a dozen soldiers in a wrecked village watch a tank pass by. A soldier atop the tank holds a red and white flag.

Charlotte continues SUDDENLY THE NEW KIND OF
ARMAMENTS, THE MACHINE GUNS, THE
HIGH VELOCITY RIFLES, SUDDENLY
IT TRANSFORMED WHAT HAD
DEVELOPED FROM, YOU KNOW, SORT
OF AN OLD VIEW OF PROFESSIONAL
ARMIES FACING EACH OTHER AND
COVERING MASSES OF TERRITORY,
INTO THESE TWO ENTRENCHED,
LITERALLY, LINES OF COMBATANTS,
WHICH WEREN'T FIGHTING, THEY
WEREN'T FIGHTING OVER MUCH LAND.
THEY JUST KEPT GOING BACKWARDS
AND FORWARDS.
AND YOU HAD TO HAVE ALL THESE
EARTHWORKS, PRACTICALLY FOR THE
FIRST TIME, TO DEFEND YOURSELF
FROM THE NEW INDUSTRIAL SCALE OF KILLING.

Steve says JUST PICKING UP ON
WHAT ROBERT SAID, THOUGH,
JEREMY, LET ME BRING YOU IN ON
THIS, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY WEREN'T
ANY MOMENTS OF JOY, AND I GATHER
ONE OF YOUR FAVOURITE, IF NOT
YOUR FAVOURITE PICTURE IN THE
BOOK... AND LET'S BRING THIS
PICTURE UP... THIS IS CLEARLY A
MOMENT OF LEVITY... WELL, PICK
UP THE STORY FROM THERE, JEREMY.
WHY DO YOU LIKE THIS PICTURE SO MUCH?

In a colour picture, three young soldiers pop out of an underground hiding spot smiling.

Jeremy says YEAH.
YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF PHOTOS
WITH SOLDIERS SMILING.
WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE WERE DOING
THIS BOOK IS THERE WERE MORE
THAN WE EVER THOUGHT THAT WE
WOULD FIND, AND SO IT WAS
INTERESTING TO SEE DIFFERENT
FACES BUT SMILING FACE OF WAR.
I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
REASONS.
ONE IS, WHEN A CAMERA IS PUT IN
FRONT OF YOU AND YOU'RE NOT IN
THE MIDST OF A BATTLE, YOU
SMILE.
YOU SMILE.

A map of France pops up highlighting the location of Arras, in the north of the country.

Jeremy continues THIS PARTICULAR PHOTO, WHERE
THREE BLACK SOLDIERS, SO THOSE
FACES, WE DON'T TEND TO SORT OF
ASSOCIATE WITH FIRST WORLD WAR
PHOTOS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
CANADA'S ROLE IN THE GREAT WAR,
THEY WERE IN A GERMAN TRENCH
THAT WAS JUST TAKEN OVER AND
THEY WERE POSING IN FRONT OF THAT.
SO THERE WAS THAT MOMENT OF, AS
YOU SAY, LEVITY OR SMILE OR JOY,
BUT BASED ON WHAT CHARLOTTE HAS
SAID AND ROBERT AND WHAT WE
KNOW, THAT SURE DIDN'T LAST VERY
LONG WHEN THEY WERE UP AND HAD
TO CLEAN THAT OUT, TAKE
PRISONERS AND MOVE ON.
SOME OF THESE PHOTOS CAPTURE A
MOMENT IN TIME, AND I THINK THAT
IT ALLOWS US TO TELL ALL KINDS
OF DIFFERENT STORIES SHOWING
DIFFERENT FACES THROUGHOUT THE
BOOK.

Steve says WAS THAT PICTURE
TAKEN IN THE TOWN IN WHICH YOU
NOW FIND YOURSELF TONIGHT?

Jeremy says JUST OUTSIDE OF ARRAS.
IT'S PROBABLY A STONE'S THROW
FROM HERE OR A SHORT BIKE RIDE.

Steve says WHAT ARE YOU DOING
OVER THERE RIGHT NOW ANYWAY?

Jeremy says WE ARE OPENING UP THE VIMY FOUNDATION CENTENNIAL PARK ON
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 9TH.
WE HAVE REPATRIATED VIMY OAKS,
ACORNS THAT FELL FROM AN OAK
TREE DURING THE BATTLE OF VIMY
RIDGE.
THEY WERE TAKEN HOME BY A FIRST
WORLD WAR SOLDIER, LESLIE
MILLER, TO CANADA.
PLANTED IN THE GROUND.
ACORNS FROM THOSE 100-YEAR-OLD
OAK TREES WE BROUGHT BACK TO
FRANCE AND WE'RE PUTTING THEM IN
THE GROUND, RIGHT BACK IN THE
SAME BATTLEFIELD THEY WERE
COLLECTED A CENTURY AGO.

Steve says LET'S BRING BACK
ANOTHER PICTURE HERE WHILE YOU
STILL HAVE THE FLOOR, JEREMY.
THREE PEOPLE IN A VERY UNUSUAL
MOMENT.
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

Jeremy says WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
THAT'S A VERY COMMON WAR PHOTO.

Steve says NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

In a coloured picture, in an open green field, two soldiers help a young man dress up in drag as he applies lipstick.

Jeremy says YOU WOULD NOT SEE THESE TYPES OF PHOTOS... YOU WOULDN'T SEE
ANY OF THESE PHOTOS TODAY.
BUT PART OF, AGAIN, THE WAR
EXPERIENCE, WAS MORE OF SOLDIERS
IN TRENCHES.
WERE ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT.
WERE ABOUT SPORTS.
WERE THINGS THAT IN THIS MOMENT
OF A BREAK AND A QUOTE, UNQUOTE,
RELAXATION, IF THERE WAS ANY,
BETWEEN BATTLES EXPERIENCED AND
THERE WERE SHOWS, THERE WERE
ENTERTAINMENT SHOWS.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ONE WHEN MEN
ARE DRESSING UP, WHETHER IT'S
DRAG, WHETHER IT'S IN CLOWN
MAKEUP OR COSTUMES, AS A WAY OF
ENTERTAINING THEIR COMRADES IN A
SHORT PART OF A DAY OR A WEEK
WHERE THERE WAS OPPORTUNITY TO
DO SO.
WE WANTED TO TRY AND FIND PHOTOS
THAT DIDN'T RESEMBLE THE NORMAL
COMMON PHOTO THAT MANY PEOPLE
SEE FROM WAR, AND THERE'S A
WHOLE STORY ABOUT SORT OF THAT
SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT FACET
OF THE WAR.
IT WAS GREAT TO SEE.

In another picture, a soldier wearing a helmet swims in a pond.

The caption changes to "Glimmers of fun."

Steve says CAROLINE, LET'S
BRING... WE MENTIONED IN THE
INTRODUCTION THAT THIS WAS A
PROGRAM THAT WAS GOING TO FOCUS
ON THE FRONT AND THE HOME FRONT.
WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED OR WHAT
CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT WHAT
PEOPLE BACK IN CANADA WERE DOING
AT THE TIME WHEN THE TROOPS WERE
OVERSEAS TRYING TO WIN THIS THING?

The caption changes to "The homefront."

Caroline says YEAH.
WELL, I THINK THE ROLE OF THE
HOME FRONT IS ONE THAT OFTEN
GETS OVERLOOKED.
THE HOME FRONT WAS SO, SO
IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY THE ROLE
OF WOMEN, FOR EXAMPLE, IS
SOMETHING THAT OFTEN GETS SO
OVERLOOKED.
WOMEN WERE VERY INVOLVED IN THE
WAR.
THEY WERE WORKING IN FACTORIES,
TAKING OVER THE JOBS OF MEN WHO
WERE OFF FIGHTING.
THEY WERE RAISING MONEY FOR THE
WAR, BUYING VICTORY BONDS.
THEY WERE KEEPING UP MORALE.
THEY WERE WRITING TO THEIR LOVED
ONES WHO WERE FIGHTING ON THE
FRONT.

In a coloured picture, dozens of women sit at long tables inside a warehouse and work on small round objects. In another picture, six young people manufacture wooden boats.

Caroline continues SO THERE WAS A HUGE CONTRIBUTION
OF WOMEN DURING THE WAR.
AND FARMERS, FOR EXAMPLE.
SOME OF MY ANCESTORS WERE
FARMERS WHO DIDN'T GO OFF TO
FIGHT BUT THEY WERE STILL
STAYING ON THE HOME FRONT AND
PROVIDING THE FOOD THAT WOULD BE
SENT OVER TO THE FRONT.
SO PEOPLE... WE OFTEN TELL THE
STORY OF SOLDIERS WHO WERE
FIGHTING DURING THE WAR, BUT
THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER AREA THAT
WAS GOING ON.

Steve says THE WAR ENDED
EXACTLY 100 YEARS AGO AND THREE
DAYS FROM NOW.
AND THIS NEXT PICTURE, R.H.,
MAYBE I'LL ASK YOU, LOOK AT THE
MONITOR AND CHECK THIS OUT.
ROYAL HIGHLANDERS OF CANADA
LEAVING GERMANY FOR CANADIAN SOIL.

In a black and white picture, several young men in kilts stand and sit inside a train wagon and smile as they wave their hats.
In the coloured version, their kits are green and blue.

Steve continues 60,000 CANADIANS WERE KILLED IN
THIS WAR.
400,000 RETURNED.
172,000 WOUNDED.
WHAT KIND OF CANADA WOULD THOSE
GUYS, WHO LOOK VERY HAPPY IN
THIS PICTURE... WHY NOT?
THEY'RE COMING HOME.
WHAT KIND OF CANADA WERE THEY
COMING HOME TOO?

The caption changes to "Homeward bound."

R.H. says I LIKE THE
KILTS.
AMAZED AT THE BARE KNEES.
HELLO?
WHAT WERE YOU DOING.
CANADA WAS BECOMING INCREASINGLY
DIVIDED DURING THE WAR.
PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN QUEBEC.
PUT DOWN BY SOLDIERS, KILLED BY
SOLDIERS IN THE SHOOTING AND THE
RIOTS.
IT WAS COMING BACK TO
POTENTIALLY A VERY DIVISIVE
NATION, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW
IF WE WERE GOING TO WIN.
THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE
THINKING IN 1917, THIS IS GOING
TO GO ON FOR FOUR MORE YEARS AND
WE MIGHT LOSE.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN 400,000 GUYS,
DISGRUNTLED, COME BACK IF WE
LOST?
THEIR JOB IN THE MINE AT THE
SOUTH PORCUPINE HAS BEEN TAKEN
BY A WHITE IMMIGRANT?
IT'S TAKEN BY THE POLE.
WHAT HAPPENS THEN?
WE'LL TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO
VOTE.
WHO IS LOYAL HERE?
THERE WERE DIVISIVE FORCES.
WE'RE SEEING THEM PLAY IN THE
UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU'RE NOT LOYAL ENOUGH,
YOU'RE NOT A CANADIAN.
HOW CAN I DISCRIMINATE YOU?
HOW CAN I TAKE AWAY YOUR JOB OR
YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE?
SO THE COUNTRY WAS UNDER EXTREME
STRESS, AS IT WERE.
THANK GOD WE WERE ON THE WINNING
SIDE.
SO THOSE PROBLEMS DRIFTED AWAY
AND WE WERE ABLE TO TIDY THINGS
UP.
BUT THE STAKE OF THE COUNTRY,
THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS
GOING.
AND THAT WAS PART OF THE
DYNAMITE UNDER THE SUBSCRIPTION
CRISIS, AS IT WERE.

Steve says CHARLOTTE, 100 YEARS
AGO, NO ONE WOULD HAVE HEARD OF
THE LETTERS PTSD, OR AT LEAST
NOT IN THAT ORDER.
BUT THE MEN COMING HOME, HOW
DAMAGED WERE THEY?

In a coloured picture, a young man with shaven temples sits next to a partly collapsed stone wall and writes on a sheet of paper.

Charlotte says MANY OF
THEM WERE EXTREMELY DAMAGED,
EITHER PHYSICALLY OR
PSYCHOLOGICALLY, AND THERE WAS
NO PROVISION AT ALL FOR THEM.
I MEAN, IT'S INTERESTING, WHEN
YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST WORLD WAR
AND THE SECOND WORLD WAR, BY THE
SECOND WORLD WAR, THE GOVERNMENT
IN OTTAWA HAD REALIZED THAT
THERE HAD TO BE PROVISION FOR
RETURNING SOLDIERS, THAT THERE
HAD TO BE HOUSING, THERE HAD TO
BE JOBS, THERE HAD TO BE MONEY
FOR THEM TO GO TO UNIVERSITY.
BECAUSE THE OTHER ASPECT OF WHAT
HAPPENED, IN THE FIRST WORLD
WAR, WAS THAT THESE GUYS CAME
HOME.
THEY WERE SO DAMAGED.
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD
PEOPLE SAYING, MY GRANDFATHER
NEVER SPOKE ABOUT IT.
AND THEY COULDN'T PROCESS IT.
AND THEY GOT NO HELP WHEN THEY
CAME HOME BECAUSE IN FACT
GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA AND
VICTORY PARADES MEANT THAT
PEOPLE JUST SORT OF GLOSSED OVER
THE FACT OF THE HORRORS, THE
TRAUMAS, THAT THEY HAD BEEN
THROUGH.
AND THE OTHER THING, THEY CAME
BACK TO A VERY UNSETTLED COUNTRY
WITH A RISING FEAR OF
BOLSHEVISM, OF LEFT-WING
ACTIVITY.
WE HAD THE WINNIPEG GENERAL
STRIKE IN 1919.
WE ALSO HAD THE SPANISH FLU,
WHICH ACTUALLY KILLED MORE
PEOPLE THAN HAD DIED IN THE
FIRST WORLD WAR IN CANADA.
SO THERE WAS THIS TREMENDOUS
INSECURITY AND NO SUPPORT AT ALL
FOR THE MEN WHO CAME HOME.
I KNOW... IN FACT, WE DO HAVE
PICTURES IN THE BOOK, "THEY
FOUGHT IN COLOUR," EXTRAORDINARY
AND TOUCHING PICTURES OF SORT OF
OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY CLASSES.
THOSE WERE THE LUCKY GUYS.
THERE WASN'T ENOUGH OF THOSE
CLASSES.
THERE WASN'T ENOUGH SUPPORT.

Steve says WHEN YOU WERE OVER
THERE AND YOU LOOKED AT
HEADSTONE AFTER HEADSTONE,
GRAVEYARD AFTER GRAVEYARD, AND
THE PEOPLE IN THOSE GRAVES WERE
NOT MUCH OLDER THAN YOU, SOME OF
THEM YOUNGER THAN YOU, WHAT DID
YOU THINK?

Caroline says IT WAS
VERY EMOTIONAL.
IT'S ONE THING TO LOOK AT ALL
THE NAMES AND SEE HOW MANY
PEOPLE DIED IN A BOOK WHEN IT'S
JUST A NUMBER.
BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING TO
ACTUALLY GO OVER THERE AND GO TO
THE CEMETERIES AND SEE ALL OF
THE GRAVES.
IT'S REALLY QUITE SOMETHING AND
IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY
EMOTIONAL FOR ME AND I THINK IT
WAS EMOTIONAL FOR THE OTHER
PARTICIPANTS AS WELL.
IT GOES ON AND ON.
THE HEADSTONES.
THERE WAS ONE THAT I SAW THAT
WAS... IT WAS A BOY 15 YEARS
OLD.
AND THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY
SOMETHING BECAUSE, I MEAN, I'M
17 NOW.
TWO YEARS YOUNGER THAN I AM.

Steve says HE WOULD HAVE LIED
ABOUT HIS AGE, OBVIOUSLY, TO GET
INTO THE SERVICE.

Caroline says RIGHT, YEAH.
BUT THERE WERE PEOPLE MY AGE.
COULD HAVE BEEN MY CLASSMATES
WHO WERE OVER THERE FIGHTING AND
WHO LOST THEIR LIVES.

Steve says R.H., IS THERE A
PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THIS
COUNTRY REMEMBERS PAST WARS?

The caption changes to "The way we reflect."

R.H. says THIS IS A
VERY INTERESTING TOPIC, A BIT
LIKE CHANGING THE FLAG FROM THE
RED ENSON TO THE NEW CANADIAN
FLAG.
AND WE REMEMBER THE FLAG DEBATE.
NOVEMBER 11TH HAS BECOME
RIGHTFULLY A TOTALLY HONOURABLE
AND PURPOSEFUL DAY.
BUT IT WAS WRITTEN BACK IN THE
1920s.
IT WAS A CEREMONY BASED ON
VICTORY.
LOSING NATIONS DON'T DO IT.
IT'S A VERY WESTERN CEREMONY.
AND I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR IT,
AND WE SHOULD CONTINUE DOING IT.
BUT HOW DO WE SAY, WELL, WAIT A
MINUTE, WE'RE A VERY DIFFERENT
COUNTRY NOW.

In a coloured picture, a group of soldiers smiles as a nurse holds up a puppy.

R.H. continues DO WE REMEMBER WARS, THE WAY WE
WERE, THE WAY WE THOUGHT WE WERE
IN 1914, 1918, OR DO WE REMEMBER
WARS THE WAY WE ARE NOW?
DO YOU REMEMBER WARS WITH ALL
THE MEMORIES OF WARS?
OR DO YOU TIDY IT UP AND GET RID
OF THE MESSY STUFF?
HOW MANY VETERANS CAME HOME?
HOW MANY VETERANS COMMITTED
SUICIDE IN THE '20S AND '30s
AND '40S.
HOW MANY VETERANS KILLED THEIR
WIVES?
DID ANYBODY KNOW ABOUT THAT?
BECAUSE OF PTSD.
IF WE ONLY TELL THE CLEANER PART
OF HISTORY, ARE WE THEN DOING
JUSTICE TO NOT ONLY HOW DO WE
REMEMBER WAR BUT HOW DO WE
HONOUR THOSE WHO WENT AND PUT
THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE WHO CAME
BACK IN A MESS OR CAME BACK TO
THAT KIND OF CHAOS?
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BROADEN
THE IDEA OF HOW WE COMMEMORATE.
FIRST, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED
TO BE DIVERSE.
HOW DO YOU NOT... I MEAN, THE
WORLD REMEMBERS BECAUSE WE SHOW
THE NAMES OF MANY NATIONS.
MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME UP TO ME
AND SAID I'VE ALWAYS FELT OUT ON
NOVEMBER 11TH AS A CANADIAN.

Steve says TAKE A SECOND TO
TELL THAT.
THE WORLD REMEMBERS IS...
DO YOU WANT TO PUT THE SHOT UP
NOW?
THIS IS A STRIKING THING TO SEE.
THE NAMES OF ALL THE DEAD.
ALL OF THEM ARE REFLECTED ON THE
FACADES OF NUMEROUS BUILDINGS
ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
AND YOU'VE GOT THEM ALL...

In pictures from the present, a giant projection screen hanging outside a huge stone building shows an image of a soldier with illegible inscriptions. Banners on either side of the screen read "1914. 1918."

The caption changes to "For more information: theworldremembers.org."

R.H. says WE DON'T HAVE THEM ALL.
WE HAVE 16 NATIONS AS A PART OF
THIS.
THE POINT FOR ME AT THE CENTRE
IS THE REMEMBRANCE OF THOSE WHO
LOST THEIR LIVES.
THAT'S THE CENTERPIECE.
AT TIMES I FEEL THAT'S LESS THAN
IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S REFERRED
TO AS THEM.
FOR 99 YEARS WE'VE REMEMBERED
T-H-E-M.
I THINK IT'S TIME WE ACTUALLY
NAMED THEM.
THEIR NAMES ARE ON THE
TOMBSTONES.
I THINK WE NAME THEM AND I THINK
WE NAME THEM EVERYWHERE.
SO WE ARE NAMING THEM.
AND THEN WE'RE TELLING THE
FAMILIES EXACTLY WHEN THEIR
FAMILIES' NAME WILL APPEAR.
SO THAT FAMILY FROM PETERBOROUGH
CAN GO TO OTTAWA BECAUSE THEY
KNOW AT 3:02 THEIR GREAT UNCLE'S
NAME WILL APPEAR.
BUT DO WE ONLY REMEMBER THE WAY
WE WERE, WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS AN
ANGLO SAXON NATION, OR DO YOU
SAY THE WAY WE ARE NOW?
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE SIKH OR
JAPANESE CANADIAN...

Steve says ALL WHO FOUGHT.

R.H. says ALL WHO FOUGHT.
MANY SAY THE WORLD REMEMBERS IS
THE FIRST TIME I'VE FELT
INCLUDED ON NOVEMBER 11TH.
WHY, I ASKED?
WELL, I CAME FROM GERMANY AS A
CHILD IN 1949.
I WAS YOUNG.
AND NOVEMBER 11TH, I STEP BACK.
AND THAT'S TRUE IN ALL THE OTHER
COMMUNITIES.
THE ITALIAN COMMUNITY.
SO HOW DO YOU SAY: THIS COUNTRY
SHOULD ACTUALLY REMEMBER, AS THE
NATION IT IS NOW, AND THAT
SIMPLY MEANS, YOU SHOW ALL THE
NAMES.
YOU GIVE RESPECT TO THE CANADIAN
NAME AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT
APPEARS IN THE CENTRE, IT'S UP
LONGER, SO YOU SAY, NO, THESE
FOUGHT IN THE CANADIAN FORCES.
HERE'S THE NAMES FROM ITALY,
SLOVENIA, CZECH REPUBLIC,
BRITAIN, NEW ZEALAND.
THESE ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE
ARE THOSE COMMUNITIES.
SO IT'S TRYING TO BROADEN THE
IDEA OF HOW DO WE COMMEMORATE.
BUT ALSO THE OTHER TINY LITTLE
THREAD IN THERE, AND THEN I'LL
SHUT UP, IS IF YOU REMEMBER IN
ISOLATION, IT HAS A SIDE EFFECT,
AND THE GERMANS AND FRENCH
REALIZED THIS A LONG TIME AGO.
WHEN MITTERRAND AND KOHL WENT TO
VERDUN, THEY WENT THERE HOLDING
HANDS.
CHANCELLOR AND PRESIDENT OF TWO
NATIONS WHO FOUGHT HORRENDOUS
WARS IN ONE CENTURY.
I WENT TO A COUPLE OF CEREMONIES
AT THE REICHSTAG IN BERLIN,
COMMEMORATION.
THE ONLY PICTURES IN THE
REICHSTAG WERE OF FRENCH
SOLDIERS.
THE BELGIANS WILL REMEMBER
EVERYONE KILLED ON THEIR LAND.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
YES, WE REMEMBER THE BRAVE
BELGIANS WHO WERE KILLED, BUT I
DON'T CARE IF YOU WERE A TURK, A
RUSSIAN, FROM NEW ZEALAND, IF
YOU DIED ON OUR LAND, WE
REMEMBER YOU.
IT'S OPENING UP THESE IDEAS TO
OTHER IDEAS.
KEEP WHAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE IT'S
VERY RESPECTFUL.
I THINK TWO MINUTES SHOULD BE
TWO HOURS.
BUT APART FROM THAT, BUT TO PUT
THE PEOPLE AT THE CENTRE OF IT.

Steve says JEREMY, LET ME GET
YOU IN HERE ON THIS ISSUE.
IT WAS I THINK ABOUT A DECADE
AGO THAT CANADA'S LAST SURVIVING
WORLD WAR I VETERAN, JOHN
BABCOCK FROM EAST OF HERE DIED,
HE WAS 109 YEARS OLD.
OBVIOUSLY A LOSS FOR HIS FAMILY.
IN YOUR VIEW, WHAT DID WE LOSE
AS A COUNTRY WITH HIS PASSING?

Jeremy says WELL, I
SPENT A DAY WITH HIM ABOUT A
YEAR BEFORE HE DIED IN SPOKANE,
WASHINGTON.
AND I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT WHAT
WAS LIFE LIKE 100 YEARS AGO.
HE WAS THE LAST LINK NOT ONLY TO
THAT WAR BUT THAT GENERATION.
HE REMEMBERED WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE
100 YEARS AGO, WHEN LAURIER WAS
PRIME MINISTER AND WHAT THINGS
COST AND WHAT HE DID.
HE ALSO TOLD ME WHAT IT WAS LIKE
TO FAKE HIS AGE AND TRY TO GET
INTO THE SERVICE, GO FOR
TRAINING, AND HE WAS DEPLOYED
JUST BEFORE THE WAR ENDED AND
LUCKILY SURVIVED BEFORE MUCH
TOOK PLACE TOWARDS THE LAST DAY
OR SO.
AND I THINK WHAT HE TALKED TO ME
A LOT ABOUT WAS THAT, WHEN I GO,
WHEN HE WENT, THOSE STORIES GO
WITH HIM.
AND WE MADE A PLEDGE IN 1918, AS
A NATION, WE SAID THAT WE WOULD
NEVER FORGET, AND IT WAS EASIER
TO SAY IT THEN BECAUSE SO MANY
GREAT WAR VETERANS WERE ALIVE
AND WE HAD VETERANS ALIVE.
BUT NOW WE DON'T.
AND I THINK IT IS UP TO
GENERATIONS LIKE OURS,
GENERATIONS LIKE CAROLINE'S, TO
MAKE SURE WE WALK THROUGH THE
FOOTSTEPS OF HISTORY, TALK ABOUT
THESE THINGS, SEE THESE IMAGES
AND MAKE SURE WE NEVER FORGET
THE INCREDIBLE SERVICE AND
SACRIFICE OF THIS WHOLE
GENERATION.

Steve says CHARLOTTE, WHEN THEY
DIE, WHAT DO WE LOSE?

Charlotte says WE LOSE THE
SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE TUG OF
HISTORY BEING IN THE PRESENCE OF
SOMEBODY WHO HAS SEEN THE EVENTS
THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE LOSE THEIR MEMORIES, UNLESS
WE'VE ACTUALLY MANAGED TO RECORD
THEM ON VIDEO.
WE LOSE THE SENSE, THE
APPRECIATION OF THE
EXTRAORDINARY EFFORT THAT THESE
BRAVE WARRIORS PUT INTO A WAR
THAT, WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT THE
WAR ITSELF, AS OPPOSED TO THE
EXTRAORDINARY EFFORT REQUIRED,
WE THINK, WHAT WAS ALL THAT ABOUT?

Steve says HAVE YOU HAD IN YOUR
SCHOOLING ANY WORLD WAR II
VETERANS COME TO YOUR CLASS AND
TELL THEIR STORIES?

Caroline says NOT TO MY
CLASS, UNFORTUNATELY.
I HAVE HAD A FEW OPPORTUNITIES
TO SPEAK WITH VETERANS, THOUGH.
AND EVERY TIME I DO, I THINK
IT'S SUCH A VALUABLE EXPERIENCE
BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE STORIES,
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WERE
ACTUALLY THERE.
AND IT'S HARD.
WHAT JEREMY WAS SAYING ABOUT
VETERANS PASSING AWAY.
IT'S TOO BAD BECAUSE THEY CARRY
THOSE MEMORIES OF THE WAR WITH
THEM.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT
FOR US NOW TO CARRY ON THAT
MEMORY, AND PART OF THE WORK I
DO WITH THE VIMY FOUNDATION IS
TO ENGAGE YOUTH AND TO TALK
ABOUT THE WAR AND TO CARRY ON
AND KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE WORLD
WARS.

R.H. says WHEN WE LOSE A VETERAN, WE
HAVE LOST A PIECE OF MOVING
HISTORY.
HISTORY THEN MOVES BEHIND THE
GLASS WALL, IT GOES BEHIND THE
SMOKE, WHICH IS WHY THE
COLOURIZATION IS SO GREAT.
WE USE OUR LINK TO THAT LIFE AS
IT WERE, AND THAT'S THE TRAGEDY,
AND ALL THE WORLD WAR VETERANS
DIED, IT'S WHEN THE NEXT
GENERATION, THE WORLD WAR II
VETERANS DIE.
SO IT'S TO TREASURE AND HONOUR
THEIR EXPERIENCES IN THEIR
LIFETIME.
WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF LOVING
SOLDIERS WHEN THEY GO AND FIGHT
FOR US, AND FORGETTING THEM WHEN
THEY COME HOME.
AND THAT'S TRUE NOW WITH THE
FORCES THAT HAVE COME BACK FROM
AFGHANISTAN.
HOW MANY SUICIDES ARE GOING ON?

Steve says TOO MANY.

R.H. says ARE WE COUNTING THE SUICIDES IN?
IS THAT IN THE PAPER?
153 WERE KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN.
AND HOW MANY SUICIDES?
AND ARE WE AS A NATION PAYING
ATTENTION TO THOSE WHO CAME BACK
AND THEY'RE KILLING THEMSELVES
OR BEATING THEIR WIVES?
THAT'S OUR OBLIGATION.
AND WE HAVE A TERRIBLE HABIT OF
LOVING THEM WHEN THEY FIGHT FOR
US AND THANKS VERY MUCH WHEN
THEY'RE DONE.
AND THAT IS CENTURIES' OLD, THAT
ATTITUDE.
AND WE HAVE TO CHANGE THAT, AS
IT WERE.

Steve says JEREMY, THIS MIGHT
BE A MOMENT, ACTUALLY, TO TALK
ABOUT A GUY NAMED SAM SHARPE WHO
WAS A MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT WHO
LEFT HIS JOB IN POLITICS, WENT
OFF TO WORLD WAR I, CAME HOME,
AS CHARLOTTE SAID, IN INCREDIBLY
DAMAGED CONDITION, WAS LOST TO
SUICIDE, AND FOR DECADES THERE
HAS BEEN A DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER
OR NOT TO HONOUR HIS SERVICE ON
PARLIAMENT HILL WHERE HE MADE
HIS LIVING BECAUSE OF THE NATURE
OF THE WAY HE DIED.
THEY FINALLY DID IT THIS WEEK.
THEY PUT UP A PLAQUE TO HIM THIS
WEEK.
SAM SHARPE.
THAT'S A NAME WE SHOULD ALL
REMEMBER.
ERIN O'TOOLE MADE IT HAPPEN...

The caption changes to "Jeremy Diamond, @diamondjeremy."

Jeremy says HOW LONG
DID THAT TAKE?
THIS SHOULD BE TAKEN AS AN
EXAMPLE OF HOW NOT TO DO THIS.
THERE ARE SUICIDES.
THESE ARE THE CASUALTIES OF WAR
POST-WAR.
AND WE NEED TO USE THAT AS AN
INDICATION OF SOMETHING THAT WAS
DONE TERRIBLY WRONG MANY, MANY
DECADES LATER, AND HONOUR THESE,
THE MEMORY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS
WHO COME BACK WITH THESE SCARS.
AND I HAVE TALKED TO MANY SECOND
WORLD WAR AND KOREAN WAR
VETERANS, THOSE FROM AFGHANISTAN
AS WELL.
AND THEY OFTEN SAY THE REASON WE
DIDN'T TALK ABOUT OUR STORIES
FOR SO LONG IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T
KNOW HOW.
WE WEREN'T COMFORTABLE SHARING
THEM.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY OR
HOW TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS
BECAUSE IT STILL LIVES WITH US
FOR MANY YEARS.
THE ONES I SPOKE TO OF COURSE
ARE THE LUCKY ONES THAT WERE NOT
SUBJECTED TO SUICIDE AND OTHER
EFFECTS.
I THINK WE TAKE IT AS AN EXAMPLE
OF SOMETHING WE CAN DO MUCH
BETTER AND I THINK THAT LENS
NEEDS TO BE MUCH CLEARER MOVING
FORWARD, AS ROBERT HAS SAID.

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Steve says IN OUR BRIEF
REMAINING TIME, CHARLOTTE LET ME
GET YOU IN ON THIS, WORLD WAR II
WAS THE JUST WAR, IT WAS THE WAR
THAT DESTROYED FASCISM... WE'VE
HEARD ALL THOSE STORIES.
WORLD WAR I, IT'S CERTAINLY MUCH
MORE AMBIGUOUS WHAT WAS ACHIEVED
AT THE END OF THE DAY, RIGHT?
IT WAS SO POINTLESS.
SO MANY DEATHS FOR SO... FOR SO
LITTLE REASON IN THE GRAND
SCHEME OF THINGS.
DOES THAT MAKE TRYING TO EDUCATE
PEOPLE AND LEARN THE HISTORY OF
THE FIRST WORLD WAR MORE
DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T
HAVE THAT SIMPLE BLACK-AND-WHITE
NARRATIVE?

The caption changes to "Not top of mind."

Charlotte says I THINK IT
IS A MORE SUBTLE AND COMPLICATED
STORY.
BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF
STORY AND IT'S STILL ONE THAT
CAN BE TOLD AND SHOULD BE TOLD
BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE QUESTION
OF SORT OF, WHY DO WE ENTER
WARS?
WHAT ARE WARS ABOUT?
HOW MUCH IS NATIONALISM
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OUTBREAK OF
WARS?
I MEAN, THERE ARE MANY REASONS
WHY THE WAR BROKE OUT IN 1914,
BUT ONE WAS THE ARMS RACE
BETWEEN GERMANY AND BRITAIN.
THERE WAS A SENSE THAT MANY OF
THE ORDINARY SOLDIERS WERE
ACTUALLY JUST CHESS PLAYERS ON
THE GROUND WHILE THE GENERALS,
WHO WERE NOT EXPOSED TO DANGER,
HAD A LOVELY TIME SORT OF
PLAYING AROUND BATTLING THE
PREVIOUS... BATTLING THEIR
OPPONENTS AND SORT OF PLAYING BY
THE RULES OF PREVIOUS WARS.

In a coloured picture, two soldiers on a rooftop stage a practice fight with a dummy wearing a gray uniform.

Charlotte continues UNDERSTANDING WHAT WAR IS ABOUT,
WHY COUNTRIES ENTER IT, HOW FAR
THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN THE
LEADERSHIP AND THE ORDINARY
SOLDIERS, HOW PROPAGANDA IS
USED... THERE ARE SO MANY
LESSONS TO TAKE OUT OF THE FIRST
WORLD WAR WHICH IN FACT I THINK
MAKE IT A REALLY INTRIGUING
EXAMPLE OF USING A WAR TO
EDUCATE PEOPLE INTO HOW
COUNTRIES WORK, HOW HISTORY
WORKS, AND WHAT WE SHOULD LEARN
FROM HISTORY TO AVOID THOSE
MISTAKES AGAIN.

Steve says JEREMY, WHAT WOULD
YOU ADD TO THAT?

Jeremy says WELL, I
THINK WHAT WE'RE FINDING NOW IS
100 YEARS AGO, IT MAY AS WELL BE
A THOUSAND YEARS AGO.
WE HAVE A HARD TIME THINKING
ABOUT WHAT WE DID AND THE IMPACT
OF SOMETHING THAT WE DID A WEEK
OR TWO OR A MONTH OR TWO AGO.
SO BRINGING THESE PHOTOS SORT OF
IN VIEW ALLOWS THAT TIME TO
DISAPPEAR A LITTLE BIT.
SO 100 YEARS AGO DOESN'T
ACTUALLY FEEL THAT LONG AGO.

A coloured picture shows a young soldier breathing through a mouthpiece that blocks his nose.

Jeremy says I SPEAK TO KIDS OF VIMY
SOLDIERS, VIMY VETERANS REGULARLY.
WE KNOW PEOPLE WHOSE FATHERS AND
UNCLES FOUGHT.
SO BY ONE GENERATION, IT DOESN'T
FEEL THAT FAR BACK.
AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE SOME OF
THESE PHOTOS OF PEOPLE WHO LOOK
THE SAME OR PEOPLE AS WE DID AND
WE TALKED TO PEOPLE LIKE
CAROLINE AND YOUNG PEOPLE ABOUT
HOW 16 AND 17 YEARS OLD MAY SEEM
YOUNG, BUT THAT WAS THE SAME AGE
THAT A LOT OF THESE SOLDIERS
WENT OFF TO WAR, I THINK THAT
THAT GAP HAS CLOSED AND IT
BECOMES A LITTLE EASIER TO
CREATE SOME RELEVANCY AROUND
THESE SUBJECTS SO MANY YEARS LATER.

The caption changes to "Producer: Harrison Lowman, @harrisonlowman."

Steve says WE'RE GOING TO GIVE
THE LAST WORD TO OUR MAN ON THE
GROUND IN FRANCE.
THAT'S YOU, JEREMY DIAMOND,
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE VIMY
FOUNDATION.
WE THANK YOU FOR MAKING YOURSELF
AVAILABLE TO US FOR THIS
BROADCAST TONIGHT AND TO
EVERYBODY HERE IN OUR STUDIO,
R.H. THOMSON, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE
YOU ON OUR SET.
CAROLINE TOLTON, YOU ARE A
TREMENDOUS GOODWILL AMBASSADOR
FOR THIS CAUSE.
GOOD FOR YOU.
KEEP ON KEEPIN' ON.
AND CHARLOTTE GRAY, SUPERB
HISTORIAN.
WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR ALL YOUR
PARTICIPATION ON OUR SHOW
TONIGHT.
THANK YOU.

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