Transcript: Breeding Home-Grown Northern Innovation | May 30, 2018

Steve sits in an auditorium. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and striped blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "Breeding homw-grown Northern innovation."
A screen behind Steve reads "The Agenda, with Steve Paikin."

The caption changes to "Ontario 2018 Election."

Steve says MINING AND FORESTRY
POWERED THIS REGION'S ECONOMY
FOR MORE THAN A CENTURY, AND
THOUGH THEY ARE STILL CORE
INDUSTRIES, INNOVATION AND
ENTREPRENEURSHIP ARE
INCREASINGLY SEEN AS VITAL TO
NORTHERN ONTARIO'S ECONOMIC
FUTURE.
JOINING US NOW ON THAT, AND HOW
WELL THE PARTIES THIS ELECTION
HAVE ADDRESSED THE ECONOMIC
NEEDS OF THE NORTH:
ALICIA WOODS, DIRECTOR AT THE
CENTRE FOR EXCELLENCE IN MINING
INNOVATION AND GENERAL MANAGER,
MARCOTTE MINING...

Alicia is in her thirties, with shoulder-length straight blond hair. She's wearing a white blouse.

Steve continues DON DUVAL, CEO OF NORCAT
THAT'S A SKILLS, TRAINING AND
INNOVATION CENTRE.
DR. DENNIS REICH, A PHYSICIAN,
ENTREPRENEUR AND CEO OF THE
CLEAN-TECH START-UP ACTIVATED
WHITE...

Don is in his forties, balding, with a brown beard. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit and blue shirt.

Steve continues AND TOM VAIR, FORMER HEAD OF
SAULT STE. MARIE'S INNOVATION
CENTRE, NOW WORKING IN COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT AND ENTERPRISE
SERVICES FOR THAT CITY.

Tom is in his mid-forties, clean-shaven, with curly gray hair. He's wearing a cream suit and blue shirt.

Steve continues IT'S GREAT TO WELCOME YOU ALL
HERE TO LAURENTIAN UNIVERSITY
TODAY FOR A CONVERSATION ABOUT
BREEDING HOMEGROWN NORTHERN
INNOVATION.
JUST BEFORE WE DO THAT, I WANT
TO GET A SENSE FROM YOU, ALICIA,
SINCE YOU'RE IN THIS BUSINESS,
MINING AND THE NORTH.
HOW ESSENTIAL HAS IT BEEN TO THE
NORTH'S DEVELOPMENT OVER THE
LAST CENTURY?

The caption changes to "Alicia Woods. Marcotte Mining."
Then, it changes again to "Tried and true?"

Alicia says YOU THINK OF SUDBURY.
SUDBURY WAS BORN OUT OF MINING.
YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE
THAT I GREW UP MINING.
MY FATHER, GRANDFATHER AND UNCLE
WERE IN THE MINING INDUSTRY.
I REALLY GREW UP IN THE SHOP
THAT THEY HAD FOUNDED.
IF YOU TALK TO ANYBODY IN
SUDBURY, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEIR
RELATIVES ARE IN THE MINING
INDUSTRY OR IN THE SERVICE AND
SUPPLY SECTOR INDUSTRY.

Steve says IS THAT WHY YOU LOVE IT?

Alicia says I LOVE MINING.
THERE ARE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES
AND CHALLENGES, AND I AM
DEFINITELY REALLY PASSIONATE
ABOUT THE INDUSTRY AND WHAT IT
HAS TO OFFER.

Steve says I DON'T WANT TO GET
OFF ON TOO MUCH OF A TANGENT
HERE, BUT THE REALITY IS BACK IN
THE DAY, NEVER MIND THERE ARE
VERY FEW WOMEN IN MINING, WOMEN
WERE NOT ALLOWED IN MINING AT
ALL.
WHAT'S THE STORY?

Alicia says IT WAS CONSIDERED BAD LUCK
FOR WOMEN TO BE UNDERGROUND.
I RECALL A FEMALE IN THE
INDUSTRY GETTING ON THE CAGE FOR
THE FIRST TIME, AND ALL THE MEN
ON THE CAGE ACTUALLY GOT OFF.

Steve says BECAUSE?

Alicia says BECAUSE IT WAS CONSIDERED BAD
LUCK TO BE UNDERGROUND WITH A
FEMALE.

Steve says WHEN DID THAT CHANGE?

Alicia says I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY IN
THE '80S OR SO.
BUT IT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN A LOT
OF WORK TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE
FEMALES ACCEPTED IN THE MINING
INDUSTRY.
BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY HEADED IN
THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

Steve says OKAY.
LET'S GO TO JUST A LITTLE BIT
WEST OF HERE, TALK ABOUT SAULT
STE. MARIE FOR A SECOND.
AND IT WON'T BE MINING WE'LL BE
TALKING ABOUT.
IT WILL BE THE STEEL INDUSTRY
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE SOO
AND HOW KEY IT WAS TO THE GROWTH
OF THAT CITY.

The caption changes to "Tom Vair. City of Sault Sainte Marie."

Tom says ABSOLUTELY.
IT WAS FUNDAMENTAL FROM BACK IN
THE 1800S AND GROWING THE CITY
FROM THERE.
IT WAS 12,000 PEOPLE THAT WORKED
AT THE STEEL MILL IN THE '80S,
AND WE'RE DOWN TO ABOUT 2700
NOW, SO THERE'S BEEN A BIG SHIFT
IN THE ECONOMY IN SAULT STE.
MARIE.
AND THE MAKEUP OF THE CITY, BUT
STEEL IS BY FAR THE MAJOR
EMPLOYER, AND ALL THE INDUSTRIES
THAT SERVICE THAT MILL AS WELL.

Steve says WHAT WOULD YOU SAY...
CLEARLY THERE ARE FEWER PEOPLE
BEING EMPLOYED IN STEEL IN THE
SOO NOW, BUT WHAT'S THE STATE OF
THE INDUSTRY, GENERALLY
SPEAKING, IN THE SOO?

Tom says WELL, ALGOMA STEEL IS JUST
STILL EMERGING FROM CCAA.

Steve says IT'S NOT ALGOMA STEEL
ANYMORE, IS IT?

Tom says IT'S ALGOMA.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE
PRICES ARE UP, THE STEEL MILL IS
HIRING HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE RIGHT
NOW AND GROWING, SO THINGS ARE
LOOKING GOOD.
BUT THE INDUSTRY'S GONE THROUGH
ITS REGULAR CYCLES, AND THERE'S
ALWAYS CONCERNS OF TARIFFS AND
NEW THINGS THAT ARE EMERGING IN
THE STEEL INDUSTRY, WHICH KEEPS
EVERYONE ON THEIR TOES.

Steve says SO YOU GUYS DON'T LOVE
PRESIDENT TRUMP I'M GUESSING
RIGHT NOW.

Tom says NO COMMENT.

[Laughter].

Don says SAFE ANSWER.

Steve says YOU DON'T LOVE THE
NOTION OF 15 OR 20 percent TARIFFS ON
YOUR GOODS.

Tom says WE DON'T LIKE THAT NOTION.

Steve says LET'S SHARE NUMBERS
WITH OUR VIEWERS AT HOME
EVALUATING THE NORTH'S ECONOMY.
COULD WE BRING THESE GRAPHICS UP
HERE.

A slate appears on screen, with the title "Evaluating the North's economy."

Steve reads data from the slate and says
NORTHERN ONTARIO ACCOUNTS FOR
ABOUT 90 percent OF ONTARIO'S LAND MASS
BUT ONLY 5 percent OF ITS POPULATION,
EMPLOYMENT AND ACTIVITY.
THE GREATER TORONTO AREA
ACCOUNTS FOR NEARLY 50 percent OF THE
PROVINCE'S GDP AND EMPLOYMENT.
NORTHERN ONTARIO HAS THE, I'M
SORRY TO SAY, LEAST... IN THE
PROVINCE WHEN COMPARED TO
CENTRAL EASTERN AND SOUTHWESTERN
ONTARIO.
FROM 2011, THAT'S THE YEAR THE
ONTARIO GOVERNMENT INTRODUCED
THE GROWTH PLAN FOR THE NORTH,
TO 2016, THERE HAS BEEN NO MAJOR
CHANGE IN THE DIVERSITY OF
NORTHERN ONTARIO'S ECONOMY.
ALL THOSE NUMBERS FROM THE
ONTARIO MINISTRY OF FINANCE.

The slate changes to a bar chart showing the sectors of employment in Toronto and Northern Ontario.

Steve reads and says
AND IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE
NORTH'S ECONOMIC DIVERSITY WHEN
COMPARED TO TORONTO'S, WE GO
DOWN THIS CHART HERE, AND ALL
THE BLUE BARS ARE TORONTO, AND
THE BURGUNDY RED BARS, IF YOU
LIKE, ARE NORTHERN ONTARIO.
AND THERE ARE OVERLAPS, JUST
TAKE A LOOK AT THE TOP ONE,
WHOLESALE AND RETAIL TRADE,
WHERE IT'S VERY EVEN.
BUT THEN IF YOU GO A FEW MORE
DOWN, LOOK HOW HEALTH CARE AND
SOCIAL ASSISTANCE, LOOK HOW MUCH
MORE PEOPLE DEPEND ON THOSE
SECTORS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN
NORTHERN ONTARIO AS OPPOSED TO
DOWN SOUTH IN TORONTO.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU GO TO
MANUFACTURING, MORE OF IT IN
TORONTO PER CAPITA THAN IN
TORONTO THAN THE NORTH, RATHER.
AND AGAIN, ALL THE WAY DOWN THE
REST OF THE CHART, FORESTRY,
FISHING, MINING, QUARRYING, GAS.
OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE OF IT IN
NORTHERN ONTARIO AS OPPOSED TO
TORONTO.
SO THAT'S JUST A BIT OF A
BACKGROUNDER THAT WILL HELP US
GET TO THE NEXT PART OF OUR
DISCUSSION.
NORCAT'S INNOVATION MILL.
WHAT IS THAT?

The caption changes to "Don Duval. Norcat."
Then, it changes again to "A thirst for invention."

Don says SO THE INNOVATION MILL IS
FUNDAMENTALLY FOCUSED ON WORKING
WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO
EITHER HELP START OR ACCELERATE
THE GROWTH OF TECH-ORIENTED
BUSINESSES.
WE DEFINE OURSELVES AS AN
INNOVATION CENTRE.

Steve says AND HOW'S IT GOING?

Don says PHENOMENAL.
OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS WE'RE
PROUD TO SAY THAT THE INNOVATION
MILL HAS BEEN ONE OF THE
FASTEST-GROWING REGIONAL
INNOVATION CENTRES ACROSS
CANADA, SO THAT'S A GREAT
INDICATOR OF IS THERE A VIBRANT
INNOVATION ECONOMY IN SUDBURY?
WELL, WE HAVE THE DATA THAT
SHOWS THAT.
WHAT'S REALLY UNIQUE ABOUT THAT,
THOUGH, IS IT'S A VERY DIVERSE
COHORT OF START-UPS THAT WE WORK
WITH.

Steve says FOR EXAMPLE?

Don says WELL, BUILDING ON ALICIA'S
COMMENT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE
NO MISTAKE, WE ARE THE GLOBAL
LEADER FOR ALL THAT IS MINING
TECH AND MINING INNOVATION.
WE HAVE THAT REPUTATION, AND WE
HAVE ALL THE COMPONENTS TO MAKE
THIS A VIBRANT MINING INNOVATION
CLUSTER.

Steve says IN THE WORLD?

Don says ABSOLUTELY, HANDS DOWN, AND
WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT IT, IF YOU
THINK OF ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT
MAKE US A VIBRANT CLUSTER
RELATED TO MINING TECH, WE HAVE
THEM ALL AND THEY ARE STITCHED
TOGETHER LIKE NO OTHER COMMUNITY
OR ECOSYSTEM IN THE WORLD.
THAT ALL SAID, THERE IS A
VIBRANT I GUESS GROWTH OF OTHER
SECTORS THAT ARE EVOLVING.
SO IT MIGHT SURPRISE YOU THAT
BEYOND ADVANCED MANUFACTURING
AND MINING, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR
PORTFOLIO START-UPS, THE
SECOND-BIGGEST COHORT IS MED
TECH.
AND YOU REFLECT ON THAT AND GO,
WELL, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?
WELL, YOU KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE
ONE OF THE LEADING HOSPITALS IN
ONTARIO AT HEALTH SCIENCES
NORTH, AND WE HAVE THE NORTHERN
ONTARIO SCHOOL OF MEDICINE.
WE HAVE HEALTH SCIENCES RESEARCH
INSTITUTE.
WE HAVE AN AGING POPULATION, SO
THERE'S CLEARLY A DEMAND FOR
SOME INTERESTING DEVICES TO
SUPPORT AN AGING POPULATION.
SO IT'S A REALLY DIVERSE COHORT
THAT WE WORK WITH AT THE
INNOVATION MILL.

Steve says SO HOW COME ALL THE
NEWS... I SHOULDN'T SAY ALL THE
NEWS, BUT HOW COME SO MUCH OF
THE NEWS WE HEAR OUT OF NORTHERN
ONTARIO IS BAD WHEN YOU TELL US
THINGS ARE FANTASTIC.

Don says WELL, KEEP IN MIND THE
INNOVATION MILL IS FIVE YEARS
OLD, AND NOT FIVE YEARS AGO WE
HAD A VERY SMALL COHORT OF
START-UPS, AND THE WORK THAT WE
DO IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT,
BECAUSE YOU THINK OF THE KEY
DRIVERS OF JOB CREATION, TWO
THIRDS OF ALL THE NEW JOBS WILL
BE CREATED BY START-UPS OR SMALL
MEDIUM ENTERPRISES.
PRIOR TO THE INNOVATION MILL AND
OTHER REGIONAL INNOVATION
CENTRES ACROSS NORTHERN ONTARIO,
THERE WAS LITTLE MECHANISMS TO
SUPPORT THESE COMPANIES TO NOT
ONLY GET STARTED BUT TO GROW AND
GROW FASTER.
SO I THINK IF YOU LOOK BACK
HISTORICALLY, I THINK YOU'RE
RIGHT.
I THINK A LOT OF THE TRADITIONAL
INDUSTRIES, YOU KNOW, ADDED
JOBS, WENT THROUGH THE CYCLICAL
NATURE.
BUT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THE
FOUNDATION HAS BEEN LAID, THE
INNOVATION CENTRES IN THE
VARIOUS COMMUNITIES ACROSS
NORTHERN ONTARIO ALL WORKING
TOGETHER TO REALLY LISTEN TO
THIS BURGEONING, STILL
RELATIVELY NEW, STILL RELATIVELY
SMALL, BUT POISED TO DO SOME
INCREDIBLE THINGS IN TERMS OF
DRIVING SUSTAINABLE JOB AND
WEALTH CREATION FOR ALL OF
NORTHERN ONTARIO.
SO FAST-FORWARD THIS QUESTION
FIVE YEARS AGO LOOK BACK, WE
WILL HAVE MATERIAL STORIES AND
MATERIAL COMPANIES TO POINT TO
THAT THE INNOVATION ECOSYSTEM
HAS SUPPORTED.

Steve says WHERE DO YOU THINK
HE'S GOING TO BE IN FIVE YEARS?

Alicia says WELL, I WISH I HAD THE
INNOVATION MILL WHEN I
STARTED... AND THAT WAS JUST
BEFORE THAT FIVE YEARS, AND IT
CERTAINLY WAS A CHALLENGE OF AN
ENTREPRENEUR AS A START-UP TO
KIND OF NAVIGATE THE SYSTEM.
BUT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ENGAGED
WITH THE INNOVATION MILL AND ARE
PARTICIPATING AND HAPPY TO SEE
THAT IS IN SUDBURY.

Steve says COVER GALS.

Alicia says COVER GALS IS A FEMALE
COVERALL.
HAVING BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY FOR
18 YEARS AND BEING CHALLENGED
WITH WEARING MEN'S WORK WEAR.
DIDN'T FUNCTION, AS YOU CAN
IMAGINE NEEDING TO USE THE
BATHROOM AFTER BEING UNDERGROUND
FOR 10 HOURS, IT'S A CHALLENGE
WITH THE TRADITIONAL MEN'S
COVERING.

Steve says AND YOU INVENTED IT?

Alicia says I CREATED IT BASED ON MY OWN
FRUSTRATION OF WEARING MEN'S
WORKWEAR.

Steve says HOW IS IT DOING?

The caption changes to "Local ideas."

Alicia says WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE
IT TO THE DRAGON'S DEN, AND
SINCE THEN WE'VE TEAMED UP WITH
DISTRIBUTORS LIKE MARK'S WORK
WAREHOUSE AND WORKING WITH A LOT
OF MAJOR AND NOT JUST MINING
COMPANIES BUT OTHER COMPANIES IN
CONSTRUCTION, TRADES, FORESTRY,
AND USING IT, ACTUALLY, AS A
TOOL TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN
FEMALES.

Steve says DR. REICH, YOU HAVE
SOMETHING CALLED ACTIVATED WHITE.
WHAT'S THAT?

Dennis picks up a chunk of white material and says ACTIVATED WHITE IS A RESIN
THAT ABSORBS TO CLOSE TO 80
TIMES ITS WEIGHT IN HIDE CARBONS.
WE TALK ABOUT 100 YEARS AGO.
SINCE THEN WE'VE TAKEN ABOUT A
TRILLION BARRELS OF OIL OUT OF
THE GROUND, AND THIS MATERIAL
CAN HELP US RECAPTURE IT.
IT'S ABOVE THE GROUND IN OUR
WATER AND AIR AND SOIL, ANT IT
HAS UTILITY IN THE MINES AS
WELL.

Steve says GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF
HOW THAT WORKS.
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT?

The caption changes to "Dennis Reich. Activated White."

Dennis says THIS CAN BE PUT INTO CLOTH.
IT CAN BE PUT INTO BOONS.
IT CAN BE PUT INTO AIR
FILTRATION UNITS, AND BASICALLY
WHAT IT DOES IS YOU CAN ACTUALLY
FOR THE MINING SECTOR, FOR
EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A WATER
UNDERGROUND THAT HAS TO BE MIXED
WITH OIL TO HELP DRILLS GO INTO
THE GROUND, THEN THAT WATER
TYPICALLY HAS TO BE RECOVERED,
BROUGHT UP TO SURFACE,
RECONDITIONED, HAVE THE OIL
REMOVED.
WELL UNDERGROUND NOW YOU CAN USE
THAT MATERIAL TO ACTUALLY PULL
THE OIL OUT OF THE WATER AND
ACTUALLY CONTINUED AND RECYCLE
THE WATER, SO YOU HAVE TO BRING
LESS WATER OUT OF GROUND.
YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING WITH
AIR FILTRATION, YOU CAN MOVE THE
PARTICULATES FROM THE AIR.
IT HAS A LOT OF UTILITY AND
WE'RE PROUD AND HAPPY TO HAVE
THIS IN NORTHERN ONTARIO.
WE'RE LICENSING IT OUT GLOBALLY
RIGHT NOW.
EVERYTHING FROM BOOMS TO PEOPLE
WHO TAKE CARE OF OIL SPILLS
GLOBALLY TO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO
EVEN LIKE INSOLES, WATER
FILTRATION.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE FIRST
NATION COMMUNITIES UP NORTH TO
BASICALLY TAKE DIESEL
CONTAMINATION OUT OF THEIR
WATER, AND YEAH, IT'S REALLY
DOING SOME AMAZING THINGS.

Steve says AND THE BEST OF ALL
POSSIBLE WORLDS, YOU CAN SEE
THIS GETTING OUT THERE AND
MAKING HOW MUCH FOR YOU?

Dennis says THIS IS GOING TO DO REALLY
WELL, AND I DO THINK THAT IT'S
GOING TO LEAVE A REALLY GOOD
POSITIVE MARK AKIN TO THE...
LEFT IN SUDBURY A LONG TIME AGO.
NO, IT'S GOING TO DO WELL.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMING
BACK TO WHAT DON AND ALISON
TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WAS THAT
ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK CAN
HAPPEN IS THAT A LOT OF THE
MINES IN NORTHERN ONTARIO
HAVE... MOST OF THEIR HEAD
OFFICES IS OUT OF SUDBURY NOW
BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN SOLD.
FOR THEM TO MAKE DECISIONS TO
IMPLEMENT A LOT OF THESE
INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGIES IS MORE
DIFFICULT THAN IT USED TO BE.
IN THE PAST, A LOT OF THESE
MINES, A LOT OF THE WORKERS USED
TO COME UP WITH INNOVATIVE IDEAS
THEMSELVES AND THEN IMPLEMENT
THEM, BUT NOW WITH THESE HEAD
OFFICES BEING ELSEWHERE AND THE
ENGINEERS BEING ELSEWHERE, IT
MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR THESE
THINGS TO COME IN.
I THINK GOVERNMENT COULD PLAY A
ROLE IN KIND OF SAYING LET'S SET
ASIDE SOME FUNDING TO BASICALLY
IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE NEW
TECHNOLOGIES INTO THE MINES, AND
THEY COULD DO IT SOONER RATHER
THAN WAITING FOR THE SALES CYCLE
IN THE MINES TO COME THROUGH.

Steve says I NOTICE YOU DODGED MY
QUESTION A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW
MUCH MONEY.

Dennis says I'M NOT...

Steve says THAT'S LATER, OKAY.
SSMIC. WHAT IS THAT?

A map shows the location of Sault Sainte Marie.

Tom says THE SAULT STE. MARIE
INNOVATION CENTRE.
SIMILAR TO DON'S INNOVATION
CENTRE, I WORKED AS THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THERE FOR 11
YEARS WORKING WITH START-UP
COMPANIES AND ENTREPRENEURS.
AS WELL, THEY HAVE AN INNOVATIVE
GIS GROUP WITHIN THE...

Steve says GIS MEANS?

The caption changes to "Tom Vair. City of Sault Sainte Marie."

Tom says GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM
THAT EMPLOYEES 20 PEOPLE AND HAS
BEEN RECOGNIZED INTERNATIONALLY
FOR THE WORK THEY'VE DONE WITH A
COMMUNITY DATA PLATFORM.

Steve says AND WHAT KIND OF JOBS
ARE YOU CREATING?

Tom says YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE JOBS
ARE SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT,
PROJECT MANAGEMENT,
ENTREPRENEURS, BUSINESS,
OBVIOUSLY, SALES, MARKETING, AND
IT'S INTERESTING.
WE HAD A VENTURE CAPITALIST COME
INTO SAULT STE. MARIE, ANGEL
INVESTOR, LOOKED AT THE
COMPANIES AND HE SAID I LOVE THE
COMPANIES IN THE NORTH.

Steve says ANGEL INVESTOR MEANING WHAT?

Tom says SOMEONE WITH A LOT OF MONEY
LOOKING TO INVEST IN COMPANIES
AND MAKE THEM GROW EARLY IN THE
FUTURE.

Don says HIGH-RISK.

Tom says AND HE SAID I LOVE YOUR
COMPANIES, THEY HAVE PRACTICAL
SOLUTIONS.
THEY HAVE PROBLEMS THAT THEY ARE
SOLVING USING TECHNOLOGY THAT
HAVE WIDE APPLICATION THAT ARE
REALLY VALUABLE.

Steve says ANGEL INVESTORS UP
HERE ANY DIFFERENT FROM ANYWHERE
ELSE?

Don says YES.

Steve says THEY ARE?
HOW SO?

Don says ABSOLUTELY.
YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO YOUR
QUESTION AS TO YOU HEAR THE DATA
AND THE INSIGHT WHEREBY, YOU
KNOW, MAYBE THERE ISN'T A TON OF
INNOVATION GOING ON, WELL, I CAN
TELL YOU IT'S NOT THE CASE, AND
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE
HAPPENING AND ONE OF THEM
RELATES TO ANGEL INVESTMENT.
SO IF YOU THINK OF THE
INNOVATION ECONOMY, THE START-UP
ECONOMY, IF YOU WILL, THERE'S
KIND OF FIVE THINGS THAT
START-UP COMPANIES NEED.
YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO MENTORSHIP,
ACCESS TO CAPITAL, ACCESS TO
CUSTOMERS, PARTNERS, AND TALENT.
CAPITAL IS A CRITICAL ONE,
ESPECIALLY IN THE FIRST TWO TO
THREE YEARS WHEN YOU'RE GETTING
GOING.
YOU NEED THE RISK CAPITAL TO
OVERCOME THOSE EARLY BARRIERS.
YOU KNOW, NOT THREE AND A HALF,
FOUR YEARS AGO THERE WAS NO
ACTIVE ANGEL INVESTMENT
COMMUNITY IN THE CITY OF GREATER
SUDBURY, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE
WITH IMMENSE WEALTH, IF I CAN
USE THAT TERM, THAT ARE AGING,
AND THEY HAVE THIS CAPITAL THAT
THEY'VE ACCUMULATED THROUGH
SUCCESS IN THE MINING INDUSTRY
OR SOME OTHER INDUSTRIES.
THAT'S ARGUABLY SITTING IN A
BANK ACCOUNT AND IT'S DORMANT
WEALTH LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO
DO.

Steve says SO YOUR ANGEL
INVESTORS ARE LOCAL?

Don says ABSOLUTELY.

Steve says THEY ARE.

Don says BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THE
PORTFOLIO COMPANIES THAT THE
INNOVATION MILL HAS BEEN
NURTURING, AGAIN, IT'S A VERY
DIVERSE PORTFOLIO,
NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT
THE MAJORITY STILL ARE ADVANCED
MANUFACTURING MINING, BUT THAT
SAID, YOU HAVE THESE INDIVIDUALS
WHEN YOU EDUCATE THEM AND SAY
THERE'S REALLY INTERESTING
INVESTMENTS FOR YOU, AND BY THE
WAY, THEY'RE LOCAL, THE ANGEL
INVESTORS THAT ARE LOOKING AT
THESE COMPANIES GO, YOU KNOW
WHAT, I THINK A MEANINGFUL
RETURN IS A SMART INVESTMENT,
BUT IS THERE A WAY THAT I CAN
ADJUST THE TERM SHEET, THE
CONDITIONS ON WHICH MY
INVESTMENT GOES INTO THAT
COMPANY TO ENSURE THAT THAT
COMPANY WILL REMAIN LOCAL?
BECAUSE THERE'S THIS
DIFFICULT-TO-DESCRIBE CIVIC
PRIDE AMONGST THE RURAL
COMMUNITIES IN NORTHERN ONTARIO
THAT, HEY, THIS COMMUNITY WAS
GOOD TO ME, I'LL MAKE AN
INVESTMENT, THE FINANCIAL RETURN
IS IMPORTANT, BUT WHAT'S MORE
IMPORTANT IS THIS COMPANY WILL
HELP CREATE JOBS FOR MY
GRANDCHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN
TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY GOING.
SO YOU DON'T SEE THAT IN THE
LARGE URBAN ANGEL NETWORKS DOWN
IN TORONTO OR WATERLOO.
THEY ARE THERE TO MAKE AN
INVESTMENT AND GET A RETURN.
HERE, WHILE THAT BE TRUE,
THERE'S A SUBTLETY ASSOCIATED TO
I WANT TO STAY BECAUSE I WANT TO
GIVE SOMETHING BACK TO THE
COMMUNITY, GIVE SOMETHING FOR MY
CHILDREN.

Steve says A DIFFERENT MISSION.

Don says YEAH, AGAIN IT'S A BALANCE
BETWEEN THAT, AND REALLY UNIQUE
TO NORTHERN ONTARIO.

Dennis says AND WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL THE
NORTHERN ONTARIO ANGEL
INVESTORS, WE ACTUALLY OUTGUN
EVERY OTHER ANGEL COMMUNITY IN
CANADA BY DEAL FLOAT AND VOLUME
OF DEALS.
IT'S QUITE AMAZING.

Steve says OKAY, HERE IS WHERE I
PLAY DR. DOOM FOR A SECOND HERE.
NOTWITHSTANDING WHAT EVERYBODY
IS SAYING HERE TONIGHT, CAN WE
BRING UP THIS GRAPHIC, PLEASE...

A slate appears on screen, with the title "Work in Northern Ontario since 2003."

Steve reads data from the slate and says
SINCE 2003 NORTHERN ONTARIO HAS
LOST ALMOST 15,000 FULL-TIME
WORKERS, AND IN THAT SAME TIME
THE PROVINCE AS A WHOLE GAINED
ALMOST 700,000 FULL-TIME
WORKERS.
NORTHERN ONTARIO'S EMPLOYMENT
RATE IS A LITTLE OVER 54 percent.
THAT'S DOWN 4.5 percent SINCE 2003.
54 percent COMPARES TO ONTARIO'S
AVERAGE EMPLOYMENT RATE, WHICH
IS CURRENTLY AT 60 percent.

The slate changes to one titled "A future for the north?"

Steve continues BY THE YEAR 2040, MORE THAN 30 percent
OF THOSE RESIDING IN NORTH WILL
BE SENIORS.
BY THAT SAME TIME, NORTHERN
ONTARIO WILL REQUIRE, GET THIS,
75,000 WORKERS TO FILL WORKPLACE
SHORTAGES.
OKAY, ALICIA, START US OFF HERE.
BEFORE WE GET TO THE FUTURE,
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PRESENT.
WHY ARE WE STILL SEEING SO MANY
JOBS DISAPPEARING IN NORTHERN
ONTARIO?

The caption changes to "Business interrupted."

Alicia says I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE
MINING CYCLE... OR SORRY, THE
MINING INDUSTRY, IT'S VERY
CYCLICAL.
IT HAS ITS UPS AND DOWNS, SO
MAINTAINING A WORKFORCE IS QUITE
A CHALLENGE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ARE
ACTUALLY COMPANIES DIVERSIFYING
OUTSIDE OF MINING, TAKING THEIR
EXISTING PRODUCTS AND SERVICES
AND SEEING IF THEY CAN TRANSFER
THEM TO OTHER INDUSTRIES, ALSO
LOOKING TO DIVERSIFY THEIR
OFFERINGS.
SO YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THIS IS A
WAY IN WHICH THEY CAN ACTUALLY
RETAIN THEIR WORKFORCE, BECAUSE
WE WANT TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW,
THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE TRAINED
AND INVESTED IN.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING AT
MARCOTTE MINING, LOOKING AT
OTHER INDUSTRIES TO DEVELOP.

Steve says HOW MANY EMPLOYEES,
WHAT ARE YOU MINING?

Alicia says WE DESIGN AND MANUFACTURE
UNDERGROUND MOBILE EQUIPMENT AND
WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON
LAUNCHING A LINE OF BATTERY
ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN PARTNERSHIP
WITH SIEMENS, WHICH WE'RE
EXCITED ABOUT.

Steve says ZERO EMISSIONS?

Alicia says EXACTLY.

Steve says ZERO EMISSION MINING.

Alicia says MAINTENANCE, HEALTH OF THE
OPERATOR, THERE ARE SO MANY
BENEFITS.
AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE GREAT
THINGS THAT THE MINING INDUSTRY
IS ACTUALLY DOING.
SO AT MARCOTTE WE HAVE A LITTLE
OVER 50 EMPLOYEES AND
MANUFACTURE EVERYTHING IN
SUDBURY.
MOST PEOPLE THINK WE MANUFACTURE
DOWN SOUTH, BUT WE DON'T.
WE MANUFACTURE IN NORTHERN
ONTARIO.

Steve says SO FOR THOSE WHO SAY
THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS IN
ONTARIO GENERALLY BUT NORTHERN
ONTARIO IN PARTICULAR IS TOO HIGH?
WHAT DO YOU SAY?

Alicia says WELL, THERE'S DEFINITELY
CHALLENGES.
YOU KNOW, FOR A MANUFACTURER OR
THE SUPPLY SERVICE SECTOR, WE
ARE COMPETING AGAINST THE MINING
COMPANIES WHO ARE PAYING HIGHER
WAGES.
SO AS AN EMPLOYER, WE HAVE TO
COME UP WITH OTHER WAYS TO
ATTRACT AND RETAIN THAT TALENTED
WORKFORCE.

Steve says LET'S GET A LITTLE
POLITICAL HERE FOR A SECOND.
GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO PASSED A
PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NEW LABOUR
BILL JUST BEFORE THE PARLIAMENT
DISBANDED AND WE'RE OFF INTO AN
ELECTION CAMPAIGN.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT KIND OF
IMPACT THE NEW LABOUR LAWS ARE
HAVING IN YOUR WORLD?

Alicia says IN RESPECT TO THE LABOUR
LAWS, CAN YOU CLARIFY?

Steve says WELL, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A
MUCH HIGHER NEW MINIMUM WAGE.
THERE ARE MORE REGULATIONS FOR
HIRING OF PEOPLE AND WHAT KIND
OF BENEFITS YOU HAVE TO GIVE
THEM AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

The caption changes to "Alicia Woods. CEMI."

Alicia says WELL, I CAN DEFINITELY SPEAK
TO THE MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE.
IF I LOOK AT MY OWN EXPERIENCE
WITH COVER GALS BEING A START UP
AND A SMALL BUSINESS, I THINK
THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE
CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THAT NEXT
BRACKET OF, YOU KNOW, WAGES.
SO NOT JUST THE MINIMUM WAGE,
BUT THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE
PREVIOUSLY MAKING 15 TO 19
DOLLARS, THERE'S AN EXPECTATION
THAT THEY WILL ALSO GET THAT
SAME BUMP WITH THE MINIMUM
WAGE RAISE.

Steve says SO IF YOU'RE MAKING 11 AND
NOW YOU'RE ABOUT TO MAKE 15.
IF YOU'RE MAKING 15, YOU'RE
GOING TO WANT 20.

Alicia says 18 OR 19, IF NOT MORE.
SO THAT IS A DOMINO EFFECT.
IT'S NOT JUST AFFECTING THE
MINIMUM WAGE, BUT IT'S ALSO
AFFECTING THOSE NEXT BRACKETS
UP.

Steve says DOES THAT MAKE DOING
BUSINESS HERE HARDER?

Dennis says IT DOES.

Steve says IT DOES.

Dennis says IN NORTHERN ONTARIO, WHAT WE
SHOULD POTENTIALLY BE DOING IS
CREATING A SORT OF AN ECONOMIC
ZONE THAT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT
FROM SOUTHERN ONTARIO.
BECAUSE IN THE END I DON'T THINK
THAT WE'RE NECESSARILY TRYING TO
SAY LET'S DRAW OFF OF SOUTHERN
ONTARIO AND MAKE... BALANCE IT
OUT.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS
NORTHERN ONTARIO HAS SOME UNIQUE
OFFERINGS AND LET'S BRING...
LIKE DONALD TRUMP IN THE STATES
IS BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT
GETTING RID OF SOME OF THESE
IMMIGRANT ENTREPRENEURS AND
SAYING WE DON'T WANT THOSE
ANYMORE.
LET'S OPEN UP THE DOORS.
IF YOU WANT TO COME TO CANADA,
WE'D LIKE TO INCENTIVIZE YOU,
BUT START UP IN NORTHERN ONTARIO
OR MAKE IT A TAX ZONE THAT HAS A
LOWER COST TO ENTRY, SOME LOWER
RATES FOR SOME OF THE LARGE
MANUFACTURERS.
WE'D LIKE SOME OF OUR MATERIAL
OUT TO MAKE INSOLES AND THEY ARE
MAKING THEM IN MEXICO.
I'D MUCH PREFER TO DO THEM UP
HERE IN SUDBURY OR NORTHERN
ONTARIO, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK
DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, IT'S VERY
DIFFICULT TO COMPETE.

Steve says HAVE YOU, TOM, HEARD
ANYTHING IN THIS ELECTION
CAMPAIGN ABOUT REVERSING BRAIN
DRAIN, THAT KIND OF THING?

Tom says THERE HAS BEEN TALK ABOUT HOW
THE NORTH CAN DEVELOP AND MOVE
FORWARD, AND RECENTLY THE
NORTHERN ONTARIO LARGE URBAN
MAYORS PUT OUT A PAPER TALKING
ABOUT TRYING TO ESTABLISH AN
IMMIGRATION PILOT SIMILAR TO THE
ONE IN ATLANTIC CANADA FOR
NORTHERN ONTARIO.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, JUST ALGOMA
STEEL, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE
25 percent OF THEIR WORKFORCE THAT'S
ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE IN THE NEXT
THREE YEARS.
700 WORKERS THERE COULD RETIRE
TODAY.
WE KNOW THOSE WORKERS ARE GOING
TO HAVE TO BE REPLACED, AND
THAT'S ON TOP OF OTHER INDUSTRY
THAT WE HAVE THAT'S LOOKING AT
AN AGING WORKFORCE, WHICH IS NOT
UNIQUE TO THE NORTH, BUT IT'S A
BIT COMPOUNDED IN NORTHERN
ONTARIO, SO WE HAVE TO GET GOOD
AT ATTRACTING AND RETAINING
IMMIGRANTS TO NORTHERN ONTARIO.

Steve says LET ME FOLLOW UP ON
THAT, ALICIA.
WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE OVERALL
JOB PICTURE IS DOWN IN THE
NORTH.
BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE A
CRYING NEED FOR NEW WORKERS IN
NORTHERN ONTARIO ONCE ALL OF
THESE PEOPLE START RETIRING.

Alicia says YEAH.

Steve says WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THAT?

The caption changes to "Singing the siren song."

Alicia says WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
CONFERENCES AND EVENTS AND
CONVERSATIONS I'VE PARTICIPATED
IN.
THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE A
SHORTAGE.
THERE IS A SHORTAGE TODAY.
YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT SKILLED
TRADES, THE SHORTAGE EXISTS NOW.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO ATTRACT AND
RETAIN PEOPLE INTO THOSE
INDUSTRIES?
I KNOW ON THE COVER GAL SIDE,
WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, INDUSTRY AND ENGAGING AND
ATTRACTING WOMEN BECAUSE THERE'S
A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY.
THERE'S WELL-PAYING JOBS.
THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH,
TO BE CHALLENGED.
SO COVER GALS ARE REALLY FOCUSED
ON MAKING, YOU KNOW, YOUNG
FEMALES, AND ALSO OLDER FEMALES,
AWARE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT
EXIST.

Steve says YOU CLEARLY LOVE
LIVING IN THE NORTH.

Alicia says I DO.
YOU KNOW WHAT, THE QUALITY OF
LIFE UP HERE, I MEAN, SUDBURY
ALONE IS HOME TO 330 LAKES, AND
IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

Steve says SO WHY IS IT... I
MEAN, IT'S... YOU'RE FROM HERE.
YOU KNOW THIS PLACE.
IF YOU'RE NOT FROM HERE AND YOU
DON'T KNOW THIS PLACE, WHAT DO
YOU SAY TO PEOPLE TO SORT OF
PITCH THEM ON GIVING IT A
CHANCE?

Alicia says WELL, I MEAN, I SAY THAT
WE'RE HOME TO 330 LAKES.
WE HAVE ATTRACTIONS, AN
ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL PARK, A
PLACE TO CREATE MEMORIES WITH
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS, GET
OUTSIDE, EXPLORE THE OUTDOORS
AND CREATE MEMORIES.

Steve says AND IF PEOPLE SAY YOU'RE FOUR
HOURS OUT OF A BLUE JAY GAME,
WHAT DO YOU SAY THEN?

Don says AND I HAVE A VERY PERSONAL
CONNECTION TO THAT, BECAUSE I AM
NOT FROM HERE.
I LIVED IN TORONTO FOR THE
PREVIOUS 13, 14 YEARS UNTIL I
MOVED HERE, AND THAT QUESTION
COMES UP ALL THE TIME, WHAT'S IT
LIKE?
AND THE SIMPLEST WAY I CAN
DESCRIBE IT, IT'S LIKE THE
NORTHERN MUSKOKAS.
THAT A TORONTO PERSON CAN RELATE
TO.
LOTS OF LAKES, LOTS OF NATURE,
AND YET YOU HAVE THIS VIBRANT
COMMUNITY OF INTERESTING
COMPANIES AND GOOD SERVICES AND
INFRASTRUCTURE, ENGAGED
GOVERNMENT, ALL THESE THINGS
THAT MAKE THIS COMMUNITY AN
ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL PLACE TO BE.

Steve says CAN I PICK UP ON THAT
ISSUE OF GOVERNMENT?
THERE ARE A LOT OF BUSINESSES
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN NORTHERN
ONTARIO THAT VERY MUCH
DISPROPORTIONATE TO THEIR... IN
THE SOUTH DEPEND ON GOVERNMENT
TO MAKE IT.
IS THAT PROBLEMATIC?
LET ME GET TO TOM ON THAT.
YOU START ON THAT, TOM.

Tom says YEAH, I THINK CERTAINLY IT'S
A GOOD STABLE BASE OF JOBS FOR
THE NORTHERN ECONOMY AND IT'S
IMPORTANT TO THE ECONOMY NOW.
I THINK GOING FORWARD, THOUGH,
THE ACTIVITIES AT THE MILL AND
THE INNOVATION CENTRE, OUR
ENTREPRENEURS HERE, YOU KNOW,
GROWING THOSE ENTREPRENEURS'
PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS ARE
IMPORTANT FOR THE GROWTH OF
NORTHERN ONTARIO.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF EFFORT
BEING MADE TO FOSTER THAT
GENERATION OF ENTREPRENEURS.
AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ATTRACTING
AND RETAINING OUR YOUTH, YOU
KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THEY STAY
HERE.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY GO AWAY TO
UNIVERSITY, THEY COME BACK TO
NORTHERN ONTARIO, AND THERE'S A
LOT OF EFFORT IN DOING THAT, AND
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE
FUTURE OF THE NORTH.

Dennis says IN THAT REGARD, YOU KNOW,
THERE ARE SOME POLICY CHANGES TO
BE MADE EVEN IN TERMS OF THE
NORTHERN ONTARIO HERITAGE FUND
WHERE UP UNTIL NOW THESE TECH
JOBS, THE YOUTH IS VERY MUCH
INTO CODING AND CREATING
SOFTWARE, AND THERE'S ONE
COMPANY THAT I KNOW OF CALLED
TIME HERO.COM, AND IT HAS
CREATED THIS HUB AND A REALLY
GOOD PRODUCT, PRODUCTIVITY
MANAGEMENT AND SOFTWARE, BUT HE
WASN'T ALLOWING THE OWNERS,
BECAUSE THEY OWNED... STARTING
IT THEY WERE DOING IT FOR FREE.
TYPICALLY WHAT YOU DO IN TECH.
THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO GET
FUNDING BECAUSE THE WAY IT WAS
STRUCTURED WAS FOR THE OLD
ECONOMY, NOT THE... MORE OF A
STRUCTURED MINING, FORESTRY KIND
OF THING.
AND IN START-UPS, YOU NEED TO
GET THESE TECH ENTREPRENEURS TO
UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY
ARE GIVING THEIR BLOOD, SWEAT
AND TEARS.

Don says AND THAT'S BEEN A REALLY
INTERESTING DISCUSSION AND POINT
AMONGST THE THREE POLITICAL
PARTIES RIGHT NOW, AND
NORTHERNERS CARE ABOUT THE
NORTHERN ONTARIO HERITAGE FUND.
AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE NEEDS OF
THE EARLY STAGE TECH COMPANIES
AND WHY THEIR NEEDS ARE
IMPORTANT.
WELL, THEY WILL DRIVE THE
MAJORITY OF JOBS FOR OUR
COMMUNITY SO WE NEED TO FIGURE
OUT HOW TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS.
ONE OF THEM IS ACCESS TO
CAPITAL.
AND WE'VE... I THINK WE HAVE A
GOOD STRATEGY TO SOLVE THE ANGEL
CAPITAL PROGRAM.
BUT THERE'S STILL A CRITICAL
ROLE FOR GOVERNMENT FUNDING TO
HELP THESE COMPANIES KIND OF
PRIME THE PUMP, GET OVER THAT
CHASM AND MOVE ON.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF
THE DISCUSSIONS AROUND, YOU
KNOW, WHAT EACH PARTY WILL DO
WITH THE FUNDS, SOME HAVE OPTED
TO INCREASE IT, SOME HAVE MADE
PAYMENTS, SOME WANTED TO CHANGE
A BIT OF THE RULES, GETTING THAT
RIGHT FOR NORTHERN ONTARIO,
ESPECIALLY THE TECH ECOSYSTEM
AND ENTREPRENEURIAL ECOSYSTEM
SHOULD BE A CRITICAL DECISION
VARIABLE THAT THE COMMUNITIES
ACROSS THE NORTH LISTEN TO AND
PAY ATTENTION TO LEADING UP TO
THE ELECTION.

Steve says HAVING SAID THAT, TOM,
I OFTEN HEAR THAT THE SADDEST
EXPORT FROM NORTHERN ONTARIO IS
YOUNG PEOPLE.
AND I WONDER HOW OFTEN YOU HEAR
IN SAULT STE. MARIE PARENTS SAY
THEIR KIDS, YOU GOT TO GO SOUTH
TO GET YOUR EDUCATION.
I HOPE YOU COME BACK, BUT... HOW
OFTEN DO YOU HEAR THAT?

Tom says UNFORTUNATELY IT STILL
HAPPENS.
IT'S LESS SO NOW THAN IT USED TO
BE.
I KNOW IN THE '70S AND THE '80S
THAT WAS A COMMON REFRAIN.
PEOPLE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO LEAVE TO PURSUE AND GET
A CAREER.
WE TRY OUR BEST TO STAMP THAT
OUT WHEN WE CAN BECAUSE WE KNOW
THERE ARE JOBS AVAILABLE AND WE
KNOW THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITIES
TO SUPPORT OUR YOUTH IN OUR
COMMUNITIES TO HELP THEM GROW
AND BUILD A CAREER THERE, OR A
BUSINESS THERE, IDEALLY.
SO IT IS SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING
ON.
WE JUST HAD A SOO SUMMIT WHERE
WE GOT TOGETHER WITH A GROUP OF
PEOPLE FROM THE SOO LIVING IN
THE GTA, AND JUST A FANTASTIC
GROUP OF PEOPLE, VERY
ACCOMPLISHED AND SKILLED.
AND I LOOKED AROUND THAT ROOM
AND I SAID, BOY, IF WE STILL HAD
ALL THAT TALENT AND HORSE POWER
IN OUR COMMUNITY HOW GREAT WOULD
IT BE.
THE INTERESTING THING IS THEY
ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT GIVING BACK
TO THEIR HOMETOWN AND WANT TO
GET INVOLVED.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
THAT AND HELP GROW.

Steve says YOU REALLY CAN'T LEAVE
THE NORTH, CAN YOU?
IT'S ALWAYS IN YOU.
DO YOU HEAR THIS IN SUDBURY,
WHERE PEOPLE FEEL...
NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT
WE'RE SITTING HERE IN A FINE
UNIVERSITY, I GOT TO GO SOUTH TO
GET AN EDUCATION?

Alicia says I WOULD AGREE WITH TOM, BUT
THERE'S SOME... BESIDES THE
INSTITUTIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE,
THERE'S ALSO RESEARCH AND
INNOVATION CENTRES.
ONE THING THAT EMPLOYERS CAN DO,
YOU KNOW, IF THOSE STUDENTS ARE
GOING TO SCHOOL IN NORTHERN
ONTARIO IS, YOU KNOW,
PLACEMENTS.
PLACEMENTS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
EMPLOYERS SAY THEY ARE LOOKING
FOR EMPLOYEES, BUT THEY HAVE NO
EXPERIENCE.
AS EMPLOYERS WE NEED TO GIVE
THEM EXPERIENCE.
WE WORK WITH THE COLLEGE TAKING
PLACEMENT STUDENTS ALL THE TIME.
AT ANY GIVEN TIME YOU'LL
PROBABLY FIND ONE TO THREE
STUDENTS IN OUR OFFICE GAINING
KNOWLEDGE, GIVING THEM THE
EXPERIENCE THAT THEY NEED SO
WHEN THEY GRADUATE THEY CAN GO
INTO THE INDUSTRY WITH THE
KNOWLEDGE.

Steve says CAN I ASK YOU A NASTY
QUESTION?
DO YOU PAY THEM?

Alicia says NO, BUT WE COMPENSATE THEM
THROUGH OTHER MEANS AFTER.
THEY ARE UNPAID PLACEMENTS, BUT
THE GOAL IS TO GIVE THEM SOME
KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE, AND
THEN BRING THEM BACK TO YOUR
WORKPLACE AFTER.

Dennis says IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT
EDUCATION, RIGHT?
A LOT OF... FOR EXAMPLE, IN
SUDBURY, OVER 150,000 PEOPLE, WE
HAD NO FACILITY FOR KIDS AND
ADULTS TO PLAY INDOOR GREEN
SPORTS, FOOTBALL, SOCCER, ANY OF
THESE KINDS OVER THINGS.
AND THE GOVERNMENT NOW,
THANKFULLY, HAS PUT IN A 4
MILLION dollars TO HELP US BUILD A DOME
SO THAT FOR EIGHT MONTHS OF THE
YEAR WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THESE
ACTIVITIES INSTEAD OF HAVING TO
TRAVEL DOWN SOUTH, WHICH KIND OF
PUTS A LITTLE BUG IN THEIR EAR
AND MAKES THEM THINK, GEE, THIS
IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO.
WE HAVE TO GO DOWN SOUTH TO GET
THESE AMENITIES.
LOOK FOR THE GAPS AND FILL THEM.

Steve says IS THERE A TYPICAL
PITCH THAT YOU WOULD GIVE TO AN
IMMIGRANT TO SAY LEAVE TORONTO,
A CITY HALF OF IMMIGRANTS, COME
UP HERE.

Dennis says YEP.

Don says I WOULD ARGUE THAT IN SOME
RESPECTS IT'S ALREADY STARTING
TO HAPPEN.
AND I THINK BACK TO THE DEBATE A
COUPLE OF NIGHTS AGO WHERE
ANDREA HORWATH MADE THE COMMENT
THAT 20 percent OF YOUNG PEOPLE IN
URBAN CENTRES, LIKE TORONTO AND
VANCOUVER, CAN'T AFFORD IT, SO
THEY ARE LOOKING TO EMIGRATE
SOMEWHERE.

A voice says THAT'S TRUE.

Don says SO THERE'S AN AWARENESS
CAMPAIGN THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE
BY CHAMPION ENTREPRENEURIAL
AMBASSADORS.
THESE INDIVIDUALS, WHEN THEY GO
DOWN AND SAY HERE'S WHAT I'M
ACCOMPLISHING, HERE'S WHAT I'M
DOING, THAT RESONATES.
SO YOU COULD TAKE, YOU KNOW,
SOMEBODY COMING IN FROM A
DIFFERENT COUNTRY, OR NOW YOU
WOULD ARGUE THERE'S A SALES
PROPOSITION TO THE LARGE URBAN
CENTRES WHERE THE COST OF LIVING
IS BECOMING VERY PROBLEMATIC.
THERE ARE COMMUNITIES IN THE
CITY OF GREATER SUDBURY, IT'S
ONLY FOUR HOURS AWAY.
THERE ARE GOOD-PAYING JOBS, AND
IF IT'S A YOUNG PERSON, MONEY IS
NOT THE PRIMARY MOTIVATOR FOR
THAT JOB ANYMORE.
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR UNIQUE
EXPERIENCES, MEANINGFUL.

Alicia says THEY ARE LOOKING FOR SOCIAL
PURPOSE, RIGHT?
IT'S GIVING BACK.

Don says AND ENGAGEMENT.
IF YOU THINK OF THE
TRANSFORMATION THAT THE MINING
INDUSTRY IS GOING THROUGH, TO
SPEAK ABOUT THAT AS A
REPRESENTATIVE EXAMPLE, THE
MINING INDUSTRY LIKE IN OTHER
TIME IS GOING THROUGH A
TECHNOLOGY ADOPTION RENAISSANCE
LIKE NO OTHER BEFORE.
IF YOU LOOK AT A YOUNG
INDIVIDUAL IN TORONTO AND YOU
SAY DO YOU WANT TO WORK IN THE
MINING INDUSTRY?
NO, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND, YOU
KNOW, 12 HOURS A DAY DOING THAT
JOB.
BUT GIVEN THE INVESTMENTS OF THE
MINING INDUSTRY IN NEW
TECHNOLOGIES, NOW YOU CAN
PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY TO
SOMEONE WANTING TO ESCAPE THE
GTA, TO COME UP, YOU KNOW, FOUR
HOURS NORTH TO THE NORTHERN
MUSKOKAS TO HAVE A JOB THAT'S
UTILIZING AN iPAD TO CONTROL AN
AUTONOMOUS OR TELEREMOTE VEHICLE
UNDERGROUND FROM A COFFEE
SHOP-LIKE ENVIRONMENT.

Steve says THEY STILL HAVE AN
IMAGE IN THEIR HEAD OF SOMEBODY
WITH SOOT ALL THEIR FACE COMING
UP FROM A MILE BELOW.

The caption changes to "Alivia Woods, @AliciaWoodsCG."

Alicia says THE MINING INDUSTRY CAN DO A
JOB IN CHANGING THAT PERCEPTION.
YOU HAVE GOLD CORP WHERE THEY
ARE ACTUALLY REMOTELY
CONTROLLING VEHICLES IN THUNDER
BAY, EVEN THOUGH THEIR MINE SITE
IS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY HUNDRED
KILOMETRES AWAY.
THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THUNDER BAY
OPERATING THE VEHICLES
UNDERGROUND, WHICH MEANS, YOU
KNOW, OBVIOUSLY COST REDUCTIONS.
SAFETY OF THE PERSON BECAUSE
THEY ARE NOT UNDERGROUND WITH
THE EQUIPMENT.

The caption changes to "Don Duval, @don_duvol."

Don says AND THAT DOOM AND GLOOM OF
THE LABOUR SHORTAGE OF 75,000
WORKERS ACROSS NORTHERN ONTARIO,
THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE
RELATING TO MINING, MINING
SUPPLY SERVICE AND FORESTRY.
PROBABLY THE MAJORITY WOULD BE
ALLOCATED TO THAT.
IF WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB AT
EDUCATING, INSPIRING,
ENCOURAGING THE ACADEMIC
INSTITUTIONS TO DEVELOP PROGRAMS
THAT REALIZE THAT THE FUTURE OF
MINING, THE NEW WORLD OF WORK IN
MINING IS VERY DIFFERENT, I
DON'T THINK THE SHORTAGE WILL BE
AS DOOM AND GLOOM AS YOU THINK
BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL BE, OH, I
ACTUALLY WOULD LOVE TO MOVE TO A
NORTHERN ONTARIO COMMUNITY, BE
IT IN STEEL OR MANUFACTURING OR
MINING.
AND I CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THIS MY
JOB USING A GAME CONTROLLER TO
DO SOMETHING OR FOCUS ON
ELECTRIFICATION, DO SOMETHING
INTERESTING?


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Alicia says DRIVING DRONES.

Don says UTILIZING DRONES UNDERGROUND.
I THINK THERE'S A RENAISSANCE
TRANSFORMATION THAT'S ALREADY
STARTED AND IS ONLY GOING TO
CONTINUE TO ACCELERATE.

Dennis says IT'S GREAT, THE FORESTRY
SECTOR, FOR EXAMPLE... EMBED THE
PRODUCT INTO PAPER SO IT GIVES
IT A NEW LIFE AND EXTENDS THE
WAY IT'S BEING USED.
SO IT'S GETTING INNOVATION
INTO THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE OF
THE NORTH.

Steve says CAN WE TALK ABOUT A
JOHNNY CASH SONG HERE FOR A
SECOND?

Alicia says OH, BOY.

Dennis says WE WERE HOPING YOU'D GO
THERE.

[Laughter].

Steve says WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT
THE RING OF FIRE HERE FOR A BIT,
BECAUSE THERE'S SUPPOSEDLY 60
BILLION dollars IN THE GROUND THERE,
5500 POTENTIAL NEW JOBS, AND,
FRANKLY, NOT A HECK OF A LOT
GOING ON.
WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN FROM ANY OF
THE... LET'S TALK A LITTLE
POLITICS.
WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN FROM THE FOUR
MAJOR POLITICAL PARTIES THAT
GIVES YOU ANY HOPE THAT THAT
THING IS ONE DAY CLOSER TO
GETTING DEVELOPED?

The caption changes to "Down the line."

Alicia says I MEAN, THERE'S... ONE OF THE
PARTIES HAS TALKED ABOUT MORE
TALKS NEED TO BE HAD.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE
RING OF FIRE FOR YEARS AND YEARS
NOW.
OTHER PARTIES HAVE TALKED ABOUT
INVEST IN THE ROAD AND GET THE
INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, AND
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
WE NEED TO BUILD THE ROAD.
WE ALSO NEED TO FACILITATE
RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES.
WE NEED TO TALK TO THOSE
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE
AFFECTED BY THE ROAD GOING IN.
THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY UP
THERE, BUT WE'VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS
NOW, AND NOW WE NEED TO MOVE ON
TO EXECUTION.

Steve says WELL, LET'S JUST...
BEFORE I GET EVERYBODY ELSE IN
ON THIS, FOR THE RECORD, LET'S
SAY THE NDP'S GOING TO PUT A
BILLION DOLLARS INTO THE
PROJECT, IF THE LIBERALS WIN
THEY SAY THEY'D PONY UP AND
CONTINUE ON WORKING ON BUILDING
THE ACCESS ROAD.
THE GREENS HAVE A SIMILAR
APPROACH, ALTHOUGH CERTAINLY AN
APPROACH OF SUSTAINABLE
DEVELOPMENT.
THE CONSERVATIVES SAY THERE HAS
BEEN TOO MUCH TALK AND DOUG FORD
SAID HE'S GOING TO HOP ON A
BULLDOZER HIMSELF TO BUILD THAT
ROAD IF HE HAS TO TO BUILD IT.
WHO HAS THE RIGHT APPROACH HERE?

Dennis says THEY ARE ALL SENDING THE SAME
THINGS.
IN THE END, THE ECONOMIC
SITUATION WILL DRIVE IT.
IF WE HAVE THE BUY-IN FROM THE
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES.
I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE WE TALKED
ABOUT FOREVER FOUR LANING
NORTHERN ONTARIO AND CONNECTING
SUDBURY TO TORONTO AND NORTH
BAY, AND IT JUST TAKES TIME,
RIGHT?
SO I THINK THAT WE CAN'T LET THE
PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF WHAT WE
WANT TO DO HERE AND ACHIEVE IT.
WHETHER IT'S GOING TO TAKE DOUG
FORD TO GET ON A BULLDOZER OR
NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING
TO HAPPEN.
BUT EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE SAYING
THE SAME THING SO I THINK IT'S
GOING TO HAPPEN AND IT'S
IMPORTANT THAT IT HAPPENS, BUT
LET'S CONTINUE ON WITH ALL THESE
OTHER INNOVATIVE PROJECTS THAT
ARE GOING ON.

Steve says TOM, WHAT IS THE BIGGEST
THING INHIBITING THE RING OF
FIRE FROM BEING DEVELOPED SO FAR?

Tom says I THINK IT IS JUST THE
AGREEMENTS ON HOW TO ACTUALLY
PROCEED ON BUILDING THAT ROAD
AND GETTING THE ACTUAL SHOVELS
IN THE GROUND, IF YOU WILL, ON
THE PROJECT.
AND SAULT STE. MARIE WAS ONE OF
THE PROPONENTS BIDDING ON THE
FAIR CHROME PROCESSING FACILITY,
AND I THINK IN A LOT OF THE
DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD, THERE'S A
REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT
PROJECT TO BENEFIT ALL OF
NORTHERN ONTARIO, AND THERE'S A
REAL OPPORTUNITY TO WORK
TOGETHER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, AND
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WILL
NOW FROM ALL THE PARTIES AND
WITH THEIR PLATFORMS TO TRY AND
MAKE THAT A REALITY.

Steve says AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO
HARP ON THE NEGATIVE, BUT THE
FACT IS THAT BIG AMERICAN MINING
COMPANY, IS IT CLIFFS, WENT
HOME.
THEY WENT HOME.
THEY HAD ENOUGH OF WAITING
AROUND.
THEY JUST DIDN'T THINK ANYBODY
UP HERE COULD PUT THE PUCK IN
THE NET.
SO WITH THAT KIND OF PUBLICITY
OUT THERE, DO YOU WONDER WHETHER
THIS THING'S EVER GOING TO GET
DONE?

Don says WELL, I GO BACK TO DENNIS'S
COMMENT.
THERE'S CLEAR RECOGNITION
AMONGST ALL THREE PARTIES THAT
SUDBURY, ONTARIO, CANADA, WE ARE
GLOBAL LEADERS IN ALL THAT IS
MINING.

Steve says THIS IS 500 KILOMETRES
NORTH OF THUNDER BAY.

Don says RIGHT, IT IS IN A VERY
ISOLATED AREA, BUT THERE ARE
COMPLEXITIES WITH A NEGOTIATION
BS AND EVERY FOUR YEARS THE
PARTIES CHANGE OR THE POLITICAL
FIGURES CHANGE, SO THERE'S AN
APPRECIATION THAT THERE'S SOME
CONTINUITY GAP THAT IS HAVE
HAPPENED.
WHEN CHRIS CAME IN TO DO WHAT
THEY WANTED TO DO, I THINK THEY
UNDERESTIMATED THE AMOUNT OF
COMPLEX NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE
VARIOUS FIRST NATIONS THAT ARE
CONNECTED ULTIMATELY TO WHERE
THE ORE BODY IS AND HOW TO GET
IT BACK.
I THINK THAT IS PROVED TO BE AN
EXCEPTIONAL LESSON LEARNED.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE WORK THAT
NORON IS DOING.

Steve says THAT'S THE
ONTARIO-BASED MINER.

Don says YES, A HUGE AMOUNT OF
EXPLORATION RIGHT NOW, AND THE
WAY THEY ARE DOING IT I THINK IS
A WONDERFUL MODEL, LOOKING AT
REVENUE-SHARE MODELS, WHICH MANY
OF THE PARTIES HAVE TALKED ABOUT
AND HOW TO MAKE THAT WORK, BUT
IT'S RECOGNIZING THAT, YOU KNOW,
METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING, THE
GETTING ON A BULLDOZER AND
DRIVING IT THROUGH PROBABLY
ISN'T THE RIGHT MODEL OF DOING
SO.
BUT WE'RE CLOSE, AND WE'RE
MOVING IT, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE
RECOGNITION THAT IT'S A COMPLEX
NEGOTIATION AND IT'S GOING TO
TAKE TIME, BUT IT WILL HAPPEN.
IT'S TOO IMPORTANT TO OUR
COUNTRY.

Steve says ALICIA, DO YOU THINK
THIS THING IS ACTUALLY GOING TO
HAPPEN?

Alicia says YEAH, I HOPE SO.

Steve says RING OF FIRE?
EVERYBODY HOPES SO, BUT HERE WE
ARE 10 YEARS LATER STILL TALKING
ABOUT IT, STILL TALKING ABOUT
BUILDING ROADS.

Alicia says I MEAN, THAT IS ONE OF THE
CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF THE
LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKES TO BRING
ANY MINING OPERATION INTO
PRODUCTION.
YOU KNOW, FROM EXPLORATION TO,
YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT TO
PRODUCTION.
IT'S A LONG TIME LINE, SO
PERHAPS THE GOVERNMENT CAN LOOK
AT HOW DO YOU EXPEDITE THAT
PROCESS, HOW DO YOU BRING NEW
OPERATIONS ON-LINE.

Steve says DOES ANYBODY THINK ANY
ONE PARTY HAS A BETTER SOLUTION
THAN ANY OTHER PARTY?

Don says AS IT PERTAINS TO THE RING OF FIRE?

Steve says YES, GETTING THAT THING
GOING.
ANYBODY GOT, LIKE, LIGHTNING IN
A BOTTLE ON THIS THAT WE JUST
DON'T KNOW ABOUT YET?

Don says THERE'S STILL TOO MUCH
AMBIGUITY WITH THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY.
THINK THE BULLDOZER PHRASE MAKES
IT CONFUSING AS TO WHAT THEY ARE
THINKING.
I THINK THEY WOULD ADMIT THEY
DON'T HAVE A DETAILED PLAN AS TO
WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT I
CAN'T POINT TO ONE SINGLE PARTY
THAT MIGHT HAVE A BETTER
SOLUTION.
THE THING I'M MOST EXCITED BY IS
THAT THERE'S AGREEMENT BY ALL
THREE THAT THIS IS VERY
IMPORTANT FOR THE FUTURE
ECONOMIC PROSPERITY OF OUR
PROVINCE SO LET'S FIGURE IT OUT,
BUT I CAN'T COMMENT ON WHICH ONE
MIGHT BE BETTER.

Alicia says YEAH.

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Steve says OKAY, THAT'S THE LAST
WORD.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR
JOINING US HERE AT LAURENTIAN
UNIVERSITY IN SUDBURY FOR A MOST
INTERESTING DISCUSSION ON
NORTHERN ONTARIO. DON DUVAL,
CEO, SUDBURY-BASED NORCAT,
DR. DENNIS REICH, NORTHERN
ONTARIO ANGEL INVESTORS, CEO OF
ACTIVATED WHITE, ALICIA WOODS,
GENERAL MANAGER, MARCOTTE
MINING. SHE'S ALSO DIRECTOR OF
THE CENTRE FOR EXCELLENCE IN
MINING INNOVATION AND THE
CREATOR OF COVER GALS. YOU
GOTTA SHOW US SOME OF THEM
SOMETIME. AND TOM VAIR, DEPUTY
CAO, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
ENTERPRISE SERVICES, SAULT STE.
MARIE. THANKS ALL.

All the guests say THANK YOU.

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