Transcript: Promises for Special Education | May 10, 2018

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and striped blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "Promises for special education."
Then, it changes to "Ontario 2018 Election."

Steve says SPECIAL EDUCATION IN
ONTARIO MEANS MANY THINGS, BUT
GENERALLY REFERS TO STUDENTS
ASSESSED WITH SOME KIND OF
"EXCEPTIONALITY."
HOW BEST TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE
CLASSROOM IS A CRITICAL ISSUE
FOR PARENTS WHOSE CHILDREN HAVE
DIFFERENT LEARNING NEEDS,
PARTICULARLY DURING THIS
ELECTION CAMPAIGN.
WHAT DO EACH OF THE PARTIES HAVE
ON OFFER?
LET'S FIND OUT.
WE WELCOME:
MICHAEL COTEAU, MINISTER FOR
CHILDREN AND YOUTH SERVICES, AND
THE LIBERAL CANDIDATE FOR DON VALLEY EAST...

Coteau is in his forties, clean-shaven and shaven-headed. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, striped gray tie, and a green ribbon pin on his lapel.

Steve continues CHRISTINE ELLIOTT, THE PC
CANDIDATE FOR NEWMARKET-AURORA...

Elliott is in her fifties, with shoulder-length wavy blond hair. She's wearing an indigo jacket and a colourful scarf.

Steve continues PETER TABUNS, THE NDP CANDIDATE
FOR TORONTO-DANFORTH...

Tabuns is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short white hair. He's wearing a gray plaid suit, white shirt, and purple tie.

Steve continues AND ROBERT KILEY, GREEN PARTY DEPUTY LEADER AND CANDIDATE FOR
KINGSTON AND THE ISLANDS.

Kiley is in his early thirties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He's wearing a light gray suit, pale green shirt, and mint green tie.

Steve continues WE ARE DELIGHTED TO WELCOME YOU
FOUR AROUND OUR TABLE AT TVO
TONIGHT FOR A TIMELY DISCUSSION.
I GUESS WE'LL GO IN ORDER OF
PRECEDENCE HERE IN THE STANDINGS
OF THE LAST HOUSE.
MICHAEL COTEAU, THAT MEANS YOU
FIRST.
IN YOUR VIEW, HOW WELL DOES THE
PROVINCE CURRENTLY SERVE
STUDENTS WHO HAVE SPECIAL
EDUCATIONAL NEEDS?

The caption changes to "Michael Coteau. Liberal Candidate, Don Valley East."
Then, it changes again to "The lay of the land."

Coteau says I THINK THAT WE'VE MADE SOME SUBSTANTIAL
GAINS IN EDUCATION OVER THE LAST
15 YEARS HERE IN ONTARIO.
WE'VE INCREASED GRADUATION RATES
FROM 66 PERCENT TO 87 PERCENT,
AND THAT INCLUDES STUDENTS WITH
SPECIAL NEEDS.
BUT WE KNOW THERE'S MORE WORK TO
BE DONE AND THAT'S WHY IN OUR
2018 BUDGET WE ALLOCATED
300 MILLION DOLLARS MORE DOLLARS INTO
SPECIAL NEEDS.
THAT BRINGS THE TOTAL BUDGET OF
3 BILLION DOLLARS IN PUBLIC EDUCATION
ACROSS THE PROVINCE FOR SPECIAL
NEEDS, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE
HAVE ONE IN FIVE YOUNG PEOPLE IN
THIS PROVINCE THAT NEEDS EXTRA
HELP AND HAS SOME FORM OF
IDENTIFIED SPECIAL NEED, AND OUR
GOVERNMENT'S COMMITTED TO MAKING
SURE THAT WE ELIMINATE WAIT
LISTS SO THEY CAN GET THE HELP
THEY NEED QUICKLY.

Steve says IF WE'RE DOING A
REPORT CARD, A BEING FANTASTIC,
F BEING FAILURE, WHAT WOULD YOU
GIVE YOURSELF?

Coteau says ANYWHERE... IF YOU LOOK AT
INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS IN
REGARDS TO OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM,
I KNOW THAT WE ARE ALWAYS IN THE
TOP 10.
WE'RE DOING QUITE WELL WHEN IT
COMES TO EDUCATION.
WE'RE THE NUMBER ONE PERFORMANCE
WHEN IT COMES TO ACADEMIC
PERFORMANCE IN THE COUNTRY.
ONTARIO IS DOING THE BEST.
BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT
MORE WORK TO BE DONE.
WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW,
SPECIAL NEEDS, WE NEED TO MAKE
SURE THAT YOUNG PEOPLE ARE
GETTING THE RESOURCES THEY NEED
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE MADE THE
COMMITMENTS.

Steve says A SOLID B?

Coteau says I WOULD SAY A B IS FAIR.

Steve says B IS FAIR.
CHRISTINE ELLIOTT, WHERE ARE YOU ON THIS?

The caption changes to "Christine Elliott. PC Candidate, Newmarket-Aurora."

Elliott says I DON'T THINK THE PROVINCE IS DOING A
GOOD JOB FOR STUDENTS WITH
SPECIAL NEEDS AT ALL.
FIRST OF ALL, IT STARTS WITH A
NUMBER OF EXCEPTIONALITIES THAT
AREN'T INCLUDED.
STUDENTS WITH FETAL ALCOHOL
AREN'T INCLUDED, STUDENTS WITH
ADHD AREN'T INCLUDED.
WE'RE NOT CATCHING ALL OF THE
STUDENTS THAT NEED THAT EXTRA
HELP.
THE OTHER THING IS THE FUNDING
IS ALL TIED TOGETHER WITH
SPECIAL NEEDS WITH STUDENTS THAT
ARE GIFTED AS WELL.
SO THEY'RE CONSIDERED
EXCEPTIONAL, BUT YOU'RE NOT
REALLY CONCENTRATING ON THE
STUDENTS THAT REALLY NEED THAT
EXTRA HELP.
AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK
AT STUDENTS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS,
YOU NEED MORE EDUCATIONAL
ASSISTANTS IN THE CLASSROOM.
I THINK THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM FOR
BOTH TEACHERS AS WELL AS FOR
PARENTS BECAUSE THEY WANT THEIR
CHILDREN TO DO WELL AND HAVE THE
HELP THAT THEY NEED.
A LOT OF TEACHERS ARE FEELING
EXTREMELY STRESSED AND
OVERBURDENED BECAUSE THEY DON'T
HAVE THAT HELP IN THE CLASSROOM,
SO THEY DON'T FEEL THAT THEY'RE
GIVING THE STUDENTS WITH SPECIAL
NEEDS THE CARE THEY NEED OR THE
OTHER STUDENTS.
BUT I THINK THE MOST TRAGIC
THING OF ALL IS WHEN STUDENTS
WITH SPECIAL NEEDS FINISH
SCHOOL, THERE'S SORT OF THIS
VIEW THAT THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT
THEY CAN DO.
THEY'RE HANDED AN APPLICATION
FOR ONTARIO DISABILITY SUPPORT
PROGRAM, AND GOOD LUCK.
AND THAT'S WHEN THE WORST THINGS
HAPPEN.
IT'S LIKE FALLING OFF A CLIFF.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN
THEIR LIVES ANYMORE.
NO WORK, NO SOCIAL, NO
RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS, NOTHING
TO LOOK FORWARD TO, AND THAT'S
WHERE PEOPLE ARE REALLY FINDING
THAT THOSE BEHAVIOURS ARE
EXACERBATED, AND PEOPLE ARE SORT
OF CONSIDERED TO BE NOT WORTH
ANYTHING.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS
CONCENTRATE ON EVERYBODY'S
ABILITIES.
EVERYONE HAS ABILITIES.
AND WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT
THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SCHOOL
PROCESS SO THEY HAVE SOMETHING
TO LOOK FORWARD TO WHEN THEY'RE
FINISHED.

Steve says THE MINISTER GIVES
HIS GOVERNMENT A SOLID B ON
THIS.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?

Elliott says I WOULD SAY A D AT THIS POINT.

Steve says A D?

Elliott says YES.
I THINK SOME THINGS ARE
IMPROVING.
THE ONTARIO AUTISM PROGRAM IS A
STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE THING.
OTHERWISE I THINK THERE'S A LOT
OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

Steve says PETER TABUNS, WHAT
WOULD YOU SAY?

The caption changes to "Peter Tabuns. NDP Candidate, Toronto-Danforth."

Tabuns says STEVE, IT'S A VERY FRUSTRATING FILE.
I DEAL WITH PARENTS AND I DEAL
WITH TEACHERS.
PARENTS WHO SAY THEY FEEL THEIR
KIDS IN MANY CASES ARE
WAREHOUSED.
I TALK TO TEACHERS IN CLASSES
WHERE THEY DON'T, AS CHRISTINE
WAS SAYING, THEY DON'T HAVE THE
EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANTS THAT THEY
NEED.
SO IN SOME CASES WHERE YOU HAVE
PEOPLE WITH PROFOUND NEEDS, THEY
FIND THEIR TIME SPENT ENTIRELY
WITH THAT PERSON AND THE OTHER
KIDS ARE NEGLECTED.
SO AT THIS POINT I'D SAY MANY,
MANY, MANY OF THE CHILDREN IN
THOSE CLASSES DON'T GET WHAT
THEY NEED.
YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
LARGER PICTURE, THE NUMBERS.
MANY SCHOOL BOARDS IN ONTARIO
SPEND MORE ON SPECIAL EDUCATION
THAN THEY'RE FUNDED FOR BY THE
PROVINCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO.
OTHERS, BECAUSE OF OTHER
PRESSURES, ARE TAKING MONEY OUT
OF SPECIAL EDUCATION TO DEAL
WITH BUILDINGS THAT ARE
CRUMBLING, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE
NEEDED JUST TO KEEP THE THINGS
OPERATING ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
WE'VE GOT THE LARGER FUNDING
FORMULA THAT ISN'T WORKING FOR
THE SYSTEM, THAT IMPACTS THE
KIDS WHO NEED SPECIAL EDUCATION,
AND YOU HAVE AN INADEQUATE
FUNDING OF THAT SPECIAL
EDUCATION TO ENSURE THAT EVERY
KID REALIZES THEIR FULL
POTENTIAL.
IF YOU HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE, AT
THE END OF THE SCHOOL PROCESS,
KIDS ARE ABLE TO LIVE
INDEPENDENTLY, EVEN BETTER IF
THEY'RE ABLE TO GO OUT AND
EMPLOY THEMSELVES, THEN YOU GIVE
THEM A MUCH BETTER LIFE AND...
AND YOU REDUCE THE BURDEN ON
SOCIETY.

Steve says ARE WE DOING THAT?

Tabuns says NO, WE'RE NOT.

Steve says NOT AT ALL OR NOT ENOUGH?

Tabuns says WELL, I'LL BE HONEST.
I WOULD SAY NOT ENOUGH.
BUT, AGAIN, TALKING TO SO MANY
PARENTS WHO JUST FEEL THAT THEIR
CHILDREN ARE NOT GOING TO BE
ABLE TO DO WELL ONCE THEY FINISH
SCHOOL.

Steve says WHAT'S THE LETTER
GRADE YOU WOULD PUT?

Tabuns says "D" I THINK IS FAIR.

Steve says "D."
ROBERT KILEY, TO YOU?
WHAT DO YOU SAY?

The caption changes to "Robert Kiley. Green Party Candidate, Kingston and the Islands."

Kiley says WELL, AS A FORMER TEACHER, ASSESSMENT AND
GRADING IS ONE OF MY FAVOURITE
THINGS.
I'LL GIVE THE LIBERALS A
C-MINIMUM NEWS.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE...
MINUS.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN D IF IT
WASN'T FOR THE RECENT
ANNOUNCEMENT OF 300 MILLION DOLLARS FOR
SPECIAL EDUCATION.
I NO ET THAT COMES AT AN
OPPORTUNE TIME, JUST BEFORE THE
ELECTION.
IT'S SOMETHING WE WISH AT GREENS
WOULD HAVE BEEN A PRIORITY FOR
THE GOVERNMENT IN THEIR LAST 15
YEARS DURING THEIR MANDATE.
SO THE GREEN PARTY OF ONTARIO
HAS THREE PRIORITY AREAS WHEN IT
COMES TO SPECIAL EDUCATION.
THE FIRST IS ENSURING THAT
STUDENTS HAVE A SAFE AND
SUPPORTIVE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH
TO LEARN.
SAFE FOR THEMSELVES, SAFE FOR
THE EDUCATIONAL WORKERS IN THE
CLASSROOM, AND SAFE FOR THEIR
CLASSMATES.
AND WE KNOW THAT VIOLENCE IN THE
CLASSROOM IS ON AN ALARMING
RISE.
WE HEAR THAT FROM TEACHERS
UNIONS, WE HEAR THAT IN
CONSULTATIONS WITH PEOPLE IN OUR
RIDING.
I'M FROM KINGSTON AND THE
ISLANDS.
IT'S A CONCERN PARENTS ARE
HAVING.
IT'S A CONCERN THAT EVEN
STUDENTS ARE EXPRESSING.
WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THAT.
THE SECOND IS ENSURING WE HAVE
FUNDING FOR MORE AND BETTER
SUPPORTS FOR THESE STUDENTS.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS WE'VE
ADVOCATED FOR A LONG TIME TO
FIND MONEY IN EDUCATION IS BY
CONSOLIDATING ONTARIO'S SCHOOL
BOARDS FROM FOUR TO ONE WITH
PROVISION FOR ENGLISH AND FRENCH
LANGUAGE.

Steve says HANG ON.
I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU GET
PAST THAT QUICKLY.
FOUR TO ONE MEANS NO MORE
CATHOLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.

Kiley says NO MORE SEPARATE SCHOOL,
CATHOLIC SYSTEM, CORRECT.

Steve says THAT IS PUBLICLY
FUNDED.
FRENCH?

Kiley says WITHIN ONE SCHOOL BOARD.

Steve says A SINGLE GOVERNANCE
SYSTEM.

Kiley says THE IDEA IS TO SAVE MONEY ON
BUREAUCRACY, ON BUSING, ON
BUILDINGS, AND FIND ABOUT
1 BILLION DOLLARS TO 1.6 BILLION DOLLARS
ANNUALLY THAT WE CAN REINVEST
INTO THE CLASSROOM AND GIVE
TEACHERS AND EDUCATIONAL
ASSISTANTS AND SPECIALISTS TO
SUPPORT.
AND FINALLY REALLY QUICKLY WE DO
NEED TO FIX THE FUNDING FORMULA
BECAUSE WE KNOW, AS MENTIONED,
THAT WITH DECLINING ENROLMENT
AND THE MAIN FACTOR BEING THE
NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN A SCHOOL
BOARD, THAT THE FUNDING ISN'T
ADEQUATE.
IN KINGSTON AND THE ISLANDS
WE'VE LOST ABOUT 1 MILLION DOLLARS A
YEAR FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND
WE'RE ASKING TEACHERS TO DO MORE
WITH LESS AND THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

Steve says YOU HAVE HEARD A
NUMBER OF CRITICISMS HERE.
I'M HAPPY TO HAVE YOU PICK UP ON
WHICHEVER ONE YOU WISH.

Coteau says THE BEST
WAY TO JUDGE A PUBLIC EDUCATION
SYSTEM IS TO LOOK AT THE
RESULTS.
THE FOLKS AT THE TABLE HAVE
PAINTED A PICTURE THAT PUBLIC
EDUCATION IS IN SOME FORM OF
CRISIS AND WE'RE NOT DOING WELL.
WHEN THE CONSERVATIVES WERE IN
POWER, THEY CUT A BILLION DOLLARS
DOLLARS OUT OF EDUCATION.
WE FOUND THAT ONLY ONE IN THREE
STUDENTS IN THIS PROVINCE WERE
ACTUALLY GRADUATING.
SO 66 PERCENT GRADUATION RATE.
WE'VE INCREASED THAT TO
87 PERCENT.
WE HAVE MORE YOUNG PEOPLE
ACCESSING POSTSECONDARY
EDUCATION.
WE'VE PUT IN FULL-DAY
KINDERGARTEN.
TEST SCORES ARE UP...

Steve says THAT'S THE PICTURE
WRIT LARGE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIAL
EDUCATION.

Coteau says YOUNG PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL
NEEDS ARE PART OF THAT SUCCESS
STORY AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, CHRISTINE SAID THAT,
YOU KNOW, A PERSON WITH SPECIAL
NEEDS, YOU KNOW, FINISHES AND
GOES INTO... GETS ODSP.
I THINK THAT'S AN UNFAIR
ASSUMPTION BECAUSE THERE ARE
THOUSANDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE I
MEET, AS A FORMER SCHOOL BOARD
TRUSTEE, AS A PERSON WHO GREW UP
IN... THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE
WHO HAD SOME FORM OF SPECIAL
NEEDS WHO ARE EXTREMELY WELL IN
LIFE TODAY.
I THINK THAT IS A FALSEHOOD THAT
YOUNG PEOPLE ARE FAILING AND
THEY'RE ENDING UP, YOU KNOW, ON
ONTARIO WORKS OR SOME FORM OF
PROGRAM IN GOVERNMENT.
THERE'S A LOT HAPPENING IN THIS
PROVINCE.
AND YOU HAVE A CONSERVATIVE
LEADER... WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
YOUNG PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL
NEEDS... A CONSERVATIVE LEADER
THAT WAS SPEAKING TO A FATHER
AND TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT
EVEN GOING TO SAY WHAT HE SAID.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW AT THE TABLE
WHAT HE SAID.
HE SAID HE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT
THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE.

Steve says IT WAS AN
AUTISM-RELATED ISSUE.

Coteau says AUTISM.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING SO HARD IN
THIS PROVINCE.
WE CAME INTO GOVERNMENT WITH A
15 BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET FOR
EDUCATION.
IT'S ALMOST 25 BILLION DOLLARS TODAY.
FIFTEEN YEARS LATER.
WE'VE BUILT THOUSANDS OF
SCHOOLS.
MARKS ARE GETTING BETTER.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OPTIMISM
OUT THERE.
BUT IF YOU TALK TO THE FOLKS AT
THE TABLE, THEY ALL PAINT A
PICTURE THAT ONTARIO IS NOT
DOING WELL.

Steve says IN FAIRNESS, THEIR
JOB IS NOT TO PUFF YOU UP.

Coteau says I UNDERSTAND THAT.

Steve says THEIR JOB IS TO
OPPOSE AND FIND THE CRITICISM.
BUT IN FAIRNESS TO HIM, A "D."
SUGGESTS A TOTALLY BLEAK PICTURE
WITH VERY FEW SUCCESS STORIES
OUT THERE.
IS THAT REALLY AN ACCURATE
INDICATION OF WHAT'S GOING ON?

Elliott says YES, IN
SPECIAL EDUCATION IT IS.
WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S
HAPPENING, THE FACT IS THAT MOST
PARENTS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS
CHILDREN KEEP THEM IN HIGH
SCHOOL UNTIL THEY'RE 21 YEARS OF
AGE BECAUSE THEY KNOW AFTER THAT
THERE'S VERY LITTLE OUT THERE
FOR THEM.
VERY FEW POSTSECONDARY
OPPORTUNITIES EXCEPT FOR THE
CIEC PROGRAM AT COMMUNITY
COLLEGES, COMMUNITY INTEGRATION
THROUGH COOPERATIVE EDUCATION.
THEY DON'T HAVE MANY WORK
OPPORTUNITIES.
THERE'S A LOT OF MYTHS OUT
THERE...

Steve says YOU SAID IN YOUR
LAST ANSWER YOU WANTED MORE
EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANTS IN THE
CLASSROOM.
IN THEIR LAST BUDGET THEY'RE
PROVIDING FOR 500 MORE.
PRESUMABLY YOU'RE IN FAVOUR OF THAT.

Elliott says I AM IN
FAVOUR OF THAT.
WE NEED A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF STUDENTS WITH
SPECIAL NEEDS IN THE CLASSROOM.
FOR EVERYONE TO BE SUCCESSFUL,
YOU NEED THOSE ASSISTANTS IN
THERE.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE
OUTCOME.
THE OUTCOME IS IF YOU LOOK AT
STUDENTS ON THE AUTISM SPECTRUM,
58 PERCENT OF THEM END UP LIVING
ON ODSP.
THAT IS A REALITY THAT THAT'S
WHAT HAPPENS.
THE PARENTS ARE DISTRAUGHT ABOUT
THAT.
THEY KNOW THEIR CHILDREN ARE
GOING TO LIVE IN POVERTY.
OFTEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY
FINISH SCHOOL, THEY DON'T HAVE
ANY ROUTINE IN THEIR LIVES.
OFTEN A PARENT HAS TO QUIT THEIR
JOB IF THERE ARE TWO PARENTS
WORKING BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS TO
STAY HOME IN THAT YOUNG PERSON.
OFTEN IF THERE'S A BEHAVIOURAL
PROBLEM, IT WILL BE EXACERBATED.
THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN THE
HOUSEHOLD TOO.
WE NEED TO DO MORE WHERE THERE
ARE FEW SUPPORTS OUT THERE FOR
PEOPLE.

Steve says WE KNOW THE
OPPOSITION'S JOB IS TO OPPOSE.
PETER TABUNS, I'M GOING TO YOU
FIRST ON THIS.
THE NDP HAS SUGGESTED A NEW
FUNDING FORMULA.
HOW MIGHT THAT WORK?

Tabuns says FIRST OF ALL,
I'LL JUST NOTE, IT WAS THE
CONSERVATIVES WHO BROUGHT IN A
FUNDING FORMULA WHICH EVERYONE
SAW AS INADEQUATE.

Steve says THAT WAS 20 YEARS
AGO, WASN'T IT?

The caption changes to "Here is the plan."

Tabuns says YES, BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN
CHANGED.
IT WAS MAINTAINED.
I REMEMBER IN OPPOSITION THE
LIBERALS SAYING IT WAS BAD.
I THINK IT WAS YOU, STEVE, WHO
INTERVIEWED MR. ROZANSKI.
THE LIBERALS HAVEN'T GONE BACK
AND REWRITTEN THAT FORMULA TO
ENSURE IT MEETS THE NEEDS OF
PEOPLE IN THIS PROVINCE.

Steve says WHAT DO YOU INTEND TO DO?

Tabuns says WE INTEND TO APPOINT A PANEL
FOR A PUBLIC REVIEW, BRING IN
THE STAKEHOLDERS... STUDENTS,
TEACHERS, TRUSTEES... AND LOOK
AT WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO TO
BUILD THE FUNDING FROM THE
GROUND UP.
AND GOING BACK TO SPECIAL ED.,
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A NUMBERS
GAME.
WE HAVE THE NEEDS BASED ON THE
2006 CENSUS.
AND THEN LOOKING GROSSLY AT
NUMBERS.
BUT AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE, THERE
ARE A BROAD RANGE OF ABILITIES
AND DISABILITIES IN ANY GROUP.
WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT EXACTLY
WHAT THE ABILITIES AND
DISABILITIES ARE, AND THEN
BUILDING FROM THE GROUND UP WHAT
IT WOULD TAKE TO HAVE A PROGRAM
TO MAXIMIZE PEOPLE'S ABILITIES
AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE
FUTURE.

Steve says YOU MUST HAVE AN
IDEA, THOUGH, ABOUT HOW YOU
WOULD CHANGE THE FUNDING FORMULA
TO ENSURE SPECIAL EDUCATION GETS
ITS APPROPRIATE SHARE OF THE PIE.
I APPRECIATE YOU WANT TO CONSULT.
BUT WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?

Tabuns says JUST AS I SAID, WE NEED TO DO
THAT ASSESSMENT OF WHAT'S NEEDED
AT THE GROUND LEVEL, AND THEN,
HAVING DETERMINED WHAT'S NEEDED
AND WHAT'S NEEDED IN TERMS OF
RESOURCES AND SUPPORTS, THEN
BUILD A FORMULA TO DEAL WITH
THAT ISSUE.
IF YOU DON'T GO TO THE
FOUNDATION, YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY
HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WORKS.

Steve says NO, I HEAR YOU.
SHOULD THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT AT
SOME POINT, EITHER IN THE FIVE
YEARS THAT KATHLEEN WYNNE WAS
PREMIER OR THE TEN BEFORE THAT
THAT DALTON McGUINTY WAS, HAVE
CHANGED THIS FUNDING FORMULA
THAT SO MANY PEOPLE SEEM NOT TO LIKE?

The caption changes to "Michael Coteau. Minister of Children and Youth Services."

Coteau says 90 PERCENT OF THE FUNDING
FORMULA THAT WE INHERITED FROM
THE CONSERVATIVES BACK IN 2003
HAS CHANGED SOMEHOW.
90 PERCENT OF THAT FUNDING
FORMULA THAT WE FOUND... YOU
CAN'T INCREASE THE EDUCATIONAL
BUDGET IN THIS PROVINCE BY
10 BILLION DOLLARS.
SO GOING FROM 15 BILLION DOLLARS TO
24.5 BILLION DOLLARS AND NOT CHANGE A
FORMULA.
FORMULAS ARE CONSTANTLY
REVIEWED.
EVERY SINGLE YEAR DIFFERENT
COMPONENTS ARE CONSTANTLY
REVIEWED.
THE NDP WILL SAY THAT THEY WANT
TO DO THIS, THEY WANT TO DO
THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO
TELL YOU HOW YOU GET TO THAT
POINT.
THAT'S THE BIG CHALLENGE WITH
THE NDP...

Steve says HE JUST SAID...

Coteau says YOU TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE...
WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A
PANEL TOGETHER.
BUT TELL ME WHAT WITHIN THE
FUNDING FORMULA SPECIFICALLY YOU
HAVE ISSUE WITH.

Tabuns says WHAT YOU HAVE
NOW IS A SITUATION WHERE WITH
RELATIONSHIP TO SPECIAL ED., YOU
DON'T SPECIFY WHAT'S NEEDED.
YOU SAY THIS IS A BIG
POPULATION.
YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT WHAT THE
ACTUAL SPECTRUM IS OF NEEDS.
SO YOU DON'T ADDRESS IT
PROPERLY.
AND IF YOU DON'T DO THAT,
MICHAEL, YOU CAN'T CORRECT IT.

Coteau says TELL ME IN
YOUR PLATFORM, AS A GOVERNMENT,
IF YOU DID FORM GOVERNMENT, WHAT
HAVE YOU PUT IN YOUR PLATFORM
THAT SPECIFICALLY SPEAKS TO
YOUNG PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS?
I THROW THAT OUT TO ALL OF THE
CANDIDATES HERE BECAUSE THE
CONSERVATIVES ARE TALKING ABOUT
A 4 percent CUT RIGHT ACROSS THE
SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD
RESULT IN ABOUT A BILLION DOLLARS
DOLLARS BEING CUT OUT OF PUBLIC
EDUCATION.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE NDP HAS
PUT ANY DOLLARS CONNECTED BACK
TO STUDENT NEEDS.
IN THEIR PLATFORM, THERE ARE TWO
PAGES ON EDUCATION.
THE PREVIOUS ELECTION THERE WAS
ONE PAGE.
IN 2011, THERE WAS NOTHING
MENTIONED ON PUBLIC EDUCATION.
I DON'T THINK THE NDP IS IN A
POSITION TO BRING FORWARD A
GOVERNMENT THAT COULD ACTUALLY
DO WELL WITH EDUCATION, AND WE
KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE
CONSERVATIVES WILL TAKE US.

Steve says I'M GOING TO GET
PETER TO RESPOND AND COME TO THE
OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE.

Tabuns says FIRST OF ALL,
WITH REGARD TO CHANGES TO THE
FUNDING FORMULA.
I'VE DEALT WITH YOUR
PREDECESSORS WHEN I WAS A
CRITIC, THEY WERE TELLING ME
CONSTANTLY THAT THE FORMULA WAS
BEING REWRITTEN.
IF YOU LOOK AT HUGH McKENZIE'S
REPORT FROM THE CANADIAN CENTRE
FOR POLICY ALTERNATIVES, YOU
DIDN'T DO THAT.
YOU TAKE THIS RUSTY OLD MODEL
AND PUT PAINT ON IT.
YOU DIDN'T SAY THIS FORMULA
DOESN'T REFLECT NEED IN ONTARIO.
IT'S RESULTING IN SCHOOLS BEING
CLOSED THAT SHOULDN'T BE CLOSED
BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THEY HAVE
ON COMMUNITIES.
IT'S MAKING SURE KIDS DON'T GET
THE RESOURCES THEY NEED IN SCHOOL.
IT ISN'T REFLECTING TODAY'S REALITY.

Steve says WHAT'S THE GREEN
PARTY'S VIEW OF WHETHER
3 BILLION DOLLARS IS ADEQUATE SPENDING
ON SPECIAL EDUCATION?

Kiley says WE NEED MORE
BECAUSE WE NEED SPECIALISTS IN
THE CLASSROOM TO HELP IDENTIFY
AT AN EARLIER AGE STUDENTS WHO
HAVE EXCEPTIONALITIES, STUDENTS
WHO HAVE LEARNING DISABILITIES,
AND THEN TO EQUIP THE TEACHERS
AND THE SUPPORT STAFF WITHIN
SCHOOLS TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE NEEDS.

Steve says IF YOU NEED MORE,
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND THE MONEY?

Kiley says IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I MENTIONED THE MONEY THAT COULD
BE FOUND BY CONSOLIDATING THE
SCHOOL BOARDS IN ONTARIO.
ALSO IT'S A MATTER OF
PRIORITIZATION.
WE SPENT MILLIONS A YEAR ON
STANDARDIZED TESTING.
FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS, OUR
EDUCATION CRITIC HAS ADVOCATED
FOR GETTING RID OF STANDARDIZED
TESTING AND USING THAT MONEY,
THE EQUIVALENT OF 800 EAs, TO
BE INVESTED BACK INTO THE SYSTEM.

Steve says HOW ARE YOU GOING TO
MEASURE WHETHER ANYBODY IS DOING ANY GOOD?

Kiley says IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IT BEGS ANOTHER QUESTION, WHICH
IS WHAT ARE WE MEASURING?
DO WE ONLY NEED TO BE MEASURING
LITERACY AND NUMERACY?
THOSE ARE IMPERATIVE FOR STUDENTS.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
BUT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT
EDUCATION MORE HOLISTICALLY.
THEIR PHYSICAL HEALTH AND MENTAL
HEALTH, WHICH NEEDS TO BE
ADDRESSED WHEN WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT SPECIAL EDUCATION, MAKING
SURE THOSE WITH MENTAL HEALTH
CONCERNS AT A YOUNG AGE ARE
RECEIVING THAT SUPPORT.
WE KNOW THAT CHILDREN, MENTAL
HEALTH OF ONTARIO, HAVE
ESTIMATED THAT FIVE OUT OF SIX
STUDENTS WHO NEED MENTAL HEALTH
SUPPORT IN SCHOOLS ARE NOT
GETTING IT.
THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM.

Steve says LET ME GO TO
CHRISTINE ELLIOTT NEXT.
PEOPLE MAY REMEMBER THAT WHEN
PATRICK BROWN WAS THE LEADER,
THERE WAS THE SO-CALLED PEOPLE'S
GUARANTEE.
THERE WAS A CONVENTION HELD
WHERE I THINK 160 OR SOME-ODD
POLICY RESOLUTIONS WERE PASSED.
SO THERE WAS SOMETHING TO RUN ON.
AND THEN YOU CHANGED LEADERS, AS
YOU MAY REMEMBER.

[LAUGHTER]

Steve says AS THE PERSON WHO GOT THE MOST
VOTES AND WON THE MOST RIDINGS,
YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT CONVENTION
WENT A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND NOW YOU DON'T HAVE A FULLY
COSTED PLATFORM TO PRESENT TO
PEOPLE.
SO HOW ARE WE TO KNOW, IF YOU
FORM GOVERNMENT, WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE?

The caption changes to "Christine Elliott, @celliottability."
Then, it changes again to "Comprehensive Election Coverage: tvo.org/OntarioElection."

Elliott says WE HAVE
COME OUT WITH A NUMBER OF
SIGNIFICANT POLICY PLATFORMS.
I THINK AS FAR AS SPECIAL
EDUCATION IS CONCERNED, WHAT YOU
NEED TO DO IS SPEND THE MONEY
THAT YOU HAVE IN A BETTER WAY.
AND I THINK THAT MEANS
GOVERNMENT HAS TO OPERATE IN A
DIFFERENT WAY BECAUSE WHEN YOU
LOOK AT SPECIAL EDUCATION, YOU
HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CHILD'S LIFE
THROUGH THEIR ENTIRE SCHOOL
YEARS AS WELL AS WHAT ARE THEY
GOING TO DO AFTERWARDS.
SO IT'S NOT JUST MINISTRY OF
EDUCATION, IT'S MINISTRY OF
TRAINING, COLLEGES, AND
UNIVERSITIES.
IT IS MINISTRY OF HEALTH.
IT'S A BUNCH OF MINISTRIES THAT
NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND DEVELOP
A PLAN AS TO HOW THEY'RE GOING
TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS.
BECAUSE IT CAN'T JUST BE ONE
MINISTRY THAT IS DEALING WITH
THIS BECAUSE THE CHILD GROWS UP.
THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE
TO COME INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT,
WHAT DOES EACH MINISTRY NEED TO
DO AT THAT STEP ALONG THE WAY
FOR THAT CHILD TO SUPPORT THEM,
TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THE
SUPPORTS THAT THEY NEED.

Steve says BUT 3 BILLION DOLLARS, DOES
THAT SOUND LIKE AN ADEQUATE
AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DEAL WITH ALL
OF THE ISSUES UNDER THIS TENT?

Christine says I THINK IT IS.

Steve says YOU JUST WANT TO
SPEND IT DIFFERENTLY?

Christine says I THINK WE NEED TO SPEND IT
IN A SMART WAY.
WE NEED TO SPEND IT IN A
COORDINATED WAY WITH ALL OF THE
MINISTRIES TALKING TO EACH
OTHER, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW.
MINISTRIES ARE SILOED.
EVEN WITHIN THE MINISTRY, THERE
ARE SILOS.
THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T GET THE
BEST VALUE FOR THE MONEY YOU'RE SPENDING.

Steve says CAN I ASK YOU ABOUT THAT?
YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON HERE WHO
HAS SAT AT THE CABINET TABLE, SO
YOU WOULD KNOW.
YOU ARE THE MINISTER... EVEN
THOUGH THE HOUSE HAS DISSOLVED,
YOU ARE STILL THE MINISTER
RESPONSIBLE FOR CHILDREN AND
YOUTH SERVICES.
BUT AS YOU TRY IN YOUR EFFORTS
TO SOLVE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS
AROUND ALL THIS, YOU DO HAVE TO
DEAL, AS MS. ELLIOTT SAYS, WITH
COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL SERVICES,
WITH MINISTRY OF HEALTH, WITH
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION, WITH
MINISTRY OF ADVANCED EDUCATION.
IS THE GOVERNMENT, REGARDLESS OF
PARTY STRIPE, JUST TOO SILOED TO
MAKE PROGRESS ON THIS?

The caption changes to "Michael Coteau, @coteau."

Coteau says ABSOLUTELY NOT.
WHEN MITZIE HUNTER WAS MINISTER
OF EDUCATION, WE WORKED
CONSTANTLY, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE
AUTISM CHALLENGES THAT WE HAD AS
A GOVERNMENT TO ELIMINATE WAIT
LISTS.
I WORK WITH THE NEW MINISTER OF
EDUCATION CONSTANTLY TO LOOK FOR
WAYS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT CHRISTINE IS
TALKING ABOUT IS... YOU KNOW,
WE'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE FROM
CONSERVATIVES.
WE'RE GOING TO FIND EFFICIENCIES
IN THE SYSTEM.
AND WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING WHEN
THEY END UP LOOKING FOR
EFFICIENCIES, THEY END UP WITH
THIS BEING LOCKED INTO AN
IDEOLOGY THAT WE'RE SPENDING
ENOUGH AND WE NEED TO GO IN
THERE AND WE NEED TO FIND
SAVINGS, AND THAT'S WHAT ENDS UP
HAPPENING.
WHEREAS THE NDP, WHO ARE ALSO
VERY LOCKED INTO IDEOLOGY, THINK
THAT YOU CAN JUST RAISE TAXES IN
THIS PROVINCE TO FIND SOLUTIONS
TO PROBLEMS.
SO AS LIBERALS, WE TRY TO FIND A
BALANCED MIDDLE APPROACH WHERE
WE WANT TO KEEP TAXES STABLE IN
THE PROVINCE.
WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE
THAT OUR PROGRAMS ARE EFFECTIVE.
AND WE WANT TO INVEST IN YOUNG
PEOPLE.
WITH THE CONSERVATIVES, YOU'RE
GOING TO SEE CUTS IN THE SYSTEM,
AND WITH THE NDP YOU'RE GOING TO
SEE PERSONAL INCOME TAXES
INCREASE AND CORPORATE INCOME
TAXES INCREASE.

Steve says LET ME GIVE EACH OF
YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THAT.

Elliott says I THINK
THE IDEOLOGY FOR THE LIBERALS IS
SPEND AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU CAN
WHETHER YOU HAVE IT OR YOU
DON'T.
WE HAVE A HUGE DEBT IN THIS
PROVINCE RIGHT NOW WHICH IS WELL
OVER 300 BILLION DOLLARS.
IT'S A BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH
TO PAY JUST INTEREST ON THAT
BORROWED MONEY.
SO WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT UNDER
CONTROL BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S
GOING TO BE OUR CHILDREN AND OUR
GRANDCHILDREN THAT ARE GOING TO
BE STUCK WITH THIS HUGE DEBT AND
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO
HAVE THE SAME STANDARD OF LIFE WE HAVE.

Steve says MICHAEL COTEAU'S
POINT, THOUGH, IS WHEN YOUR
LEADER, DOUG FORD SAYS, WE'RE
GOING TO FIND FOUR CENTS ON THE
DOLLAR, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE
MUCH.
IT TRANSLATES INTO 6 BILLION DOLLARS.
HIS CONCERN YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE
SOME OUT OF THE CLASSROOM AND
SPECIAL EDUCATION.

Elliott says WE'RE NOT.

Coteau says THE PROBLEM
IS HOW DO WE KNOW THAT?
WE DON'T HAVE A PLATFORM FROM
THE CONSERVATIVES.
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT?
HOW DO WE KNOW DOUG FORD IS NOT
GOING TO TAKE MONEY FROM THE
CLASSROOM?
WHERE IS THE COMMITMENT FOR
EDUCATIONAL SPENDING?
WHERE IS THE COST... YOU KNOW,
THE COST OF EDUCATION IN REGARDS
TO A PLATFORM FROM THE
PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVES?
WE DON'T SEE ONE.

Elliott says WELL,
THE COMMITMENT IS THAT WE WANT
PEOPLE TO DO WELL.
WE WANT BUSINESSES TO DO WELL IN
ONTARIO.
SO THAT STARTS WITH EDUCATION.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN EDUCATED
WORK FORCE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
BE ABLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL...

Coteau says THE FIRST
THING DOUG FORD SAID, I CAN
REMEMBER HIM SAYING AS A LEADER,
THE FIRST THING: WE'RE BACK IN
BUSINESS AND WE'RE GOING TO
LOWER CORPORATE TAXES.
IMAGINE THAT AS THE FIRST
APPROACH... YEAH, BUT WE'VE DONE
MANY THINGS.

Tabuns says YOU ARE
CORPORATE TAX CUTTERS.
YOU GUYS ARE REALLY TORIES...

Coteau says WE WENT
THROUGH A GLOBAL RECESSION, THE
GLOBE AND ONTARIO WENT THROUGH IT.
WE INVESTED IN THE ECONOMY.
WE MADE SURE IT WAS COMPETITIVE.
YOU WANT TO RAISE PERSONAL AND
CORPORATE...

Tabuns says FOR THE
WEALTHIEST PEOPLE IN THIS
PROVINCE AND THE MOST PROFITABLE
COMPANIES.

Coteau says YOU WANT TO
CUT IT.
WE WANT A REASONABLE APPROACH.
THE WAY THE WORLD IS CHANGING,
WE NEED A GOVERNMENT THAT'S
FLEXIBLE, THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO
RESPOND TO NEEDS.
THEY ARE SO LOCKED IN IDEOLOGY,
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET TO NEED
WHERE... TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

Steve says YOU SAID IT A SECOND
AGO BUT I'M NOT SURE EVERYBODY
HEARD IT.
IS A PROVISION TO RAISE TAXES
AND INCOME TAXES; CORRECT?

Tabuns says FOR PEOPLE
MAKING OVER 220,000 A YEAR, 1 percent
TAX INCREASE.
FOR THOSE OVER 300,000 A YEAR,
2 percent.
MANY, MANY PEOPLE DO NOT MAKE
NUMBERS LIKE THAT.
WE THINK IT'S A REASONABLE
APPROACH THAT THE WEALTHIEST IN
THIS COMMUNITY, IN THIS SOCIETY,
PAY MORE, AND THAT THE
WEALTHIEST CORPORATIONS PAY MORE.

Steve says RAISE THE CORPORATE TAX TOO.

Tabuns says YES.

Steve says BUT NOT THE SMALL
BUSINESS CORPORATE TAX,
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH.

Tabuns says NO.
SMALL BUSINESSES ARE I THINK IN
A MUCH TOUGHER POSITION.
WE THINK WHERE THE MONEY IS,
WHERE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD IT, IS
AT THE VERY TOP.

Steve says MICHAEL, WE'RE
GETTING A BIT OFF THE PATH HERE,
BUT SINCE YOU'VE RAISED IT, I
WANT TO FINISH THE CIRCLE HERE.
THE LIBERAL PARTY CONSIDERS
ITSELF A PROGRESSIVE PARTY.

Coteau says CORRECT.

Steve says IF THE NDP WANT TO
RAISE INCOME TAXES ON THE TOP
2 PERCENT OF INCOME EARNERS IN
THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO AND THE
LARGEST CORPORATIONS, WHY DO YOU
HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?

Coteau says HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
SO THIS MORNING, ANDREA HORWATH,
THE LEADER OF THE NDP, SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO PUT, FOR
EXAMPLE, AN EA IN EVERY
CLASSROOM ACROSS THE PROVINCE.

Steve says EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANT.

Coteau says HERE'S THE PROBLEM: WE DON'T
KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO COST
ONTARIANS.
SO WE HAVE AN NDP GOVERNMENT
THAT'S NOT REALLY SPEAKING TO,
YOU KNOW, THE EFFECT OF THESE
PROMISES, LIKE THE COSTING OUT
OF THESE PROMISES.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.
SO WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE
ACTUALLY GOING TO RAISE TAXES
ONLY FOR THE 1 percent OR PEOPLE MAKING
OVER 200,000, I DON'T BELIEVE
THAT.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE AN
APPROACH WHERE IT GOES TO, YOU
KNOW, THOSE WHO HIT 150,000,
THEN 100,000.
WE DON'T KNOW THE COSTING OF THE
PLATFORM.
THERE'S A LOT OF COMMITMENTS
BUT... THERE'S A LOT OF
COMMITMENTS BUT THERE'S NOT A
COSTING TO IT.

Steve says LET ME GET OVER TO
MY FRIEND FROM THE GREEN PARTY
HERE, ROBERT KILEY.
GO AHEAD.

The caption changes to "Robert Kiley, @robert_kiley."
Then, it changes again to "Helping exceptional students."

Kiley says I WOULD LIKE
TO JUMP IN BECAUSE I FEEL AS IF
WHEN WE POLARIZE PEOPLE LIKE
THIS AND IT'S BIG SPENDING
VERSUS NOT ENOUGH SPENDING, WE
MISS THE FACT WE CAN SPEND WELL
AND PRIORITIZE WELL.
TO BRING IT BACK TO SPECIAL
EDUCATION, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS
ALL ABOUT, STUDENTS IN THE
CLASSROOM TODAY ARE FACING VERY
REAL CHALLENGES AND THE
EDUCATORS THAT ARE WORKING WITH
THEM TIRELESSLY TO MEET THEIR
NEEDS DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES
THAT THEY NEED.
SO INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT
SPENDING TOO MUCH OR NOT
SPENDING ENOUGH, LET'S TALK
ABOUT WHAT WE ARE SPENDING AND
HOW WE CAN SPEND THAT BETTER.
I WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO
STANDARDIZED TESTING.
THAT'S A PRACTICAL EXAMPLE OF
SOMETHING WE DON'T NEED TO DO.
THERE ARE NO CLEAR BENEFITS FOR
STUDENT WELL-BEING.
LITERACY AND NUMERACY ARE
IMPORTANT AND WE SHOULD INSTRUCT
IN THOSE WAYS AND SO ON AND SO
FORTH.
TO MAKE SURE THE STUDENTS ARE AT
THE CENTRE, THE PEOPLE WHO THESE
POLICIES ARE TO EFFECT AND DO
AFFECT AT THE MIDDLE OF THE
CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT TO THE
GREENS.

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Steve says WE'RE DOWN TO OUR
LAST FEW MINUTES AND I WANT EACH
OF YOU TO WEIGH IN ON ONE THING
IN PARTICULAR.
YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW IF YOU ARE A
YOUNG PERSON IN THIS PROVINCE IN
A SCHOOL AND YOU ARE DIAGNOSED
WITH ADHD, ATTENTION DEFICIT
HYPERACTIVITY DISORDER, BOY, I'M
BAD ON ACRONYMS TODAY, THAT
DOESN'T MEAN YOU AUTOMATICALLY
ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ADDITIONAL
SUPPORTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON
THAT LIST OF THINGS LIKE AUTISM
AND SO ON AND SO FORTH THAT YOU
GET IT.
QUESTION: SHOULD IT BE ON THE
LIST?
SHOULD YOU BE ENTITLED, AS A
PUBLIC EDUCATION STUDENT IN THE
PROVINCE, TO AUTOMATICALLY BE
ELIGIBLE FOR ADDITIONAL SUPPORTS
IF YOU'RE DIAGNOSED WITH ADHD?
CHRISTINE ELLIOTT?

Elliott says SHORT
ANSWER, ABSOLUTELY YES.

Steve says YOU WOULD DO IT?

Elliott says YES.

Steve says MICHAEL COTEAU?

Coteau says I THINK
THAT OUR 300 MILLION DOLLAR COMMITMENT
TO BRING IN MORE SOCIAL WORKERS,
PSYCHIATRISTS, SPECIALIZED
TEACHERS IN THIS AREA SPEAKS TO
MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE GET THE
ASSESSMENT... YOUNG PEOPLE GET
THE ASSESSMENT FASTER SO THE
IPRCs AND THEIR... ONCE WE GET
PEOPLE, YOUNG PEOPLE, INTO THAT
SETTING WHERE THEY'RE ASSESSED,
IT WILL BE BASED ON THEIR
SPECIFIC NEEDS.
WE'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT YOUNG
PEOPLE SHOULD GET EXACTLY WHAT
THEY NEED IN ORDER TO GET TO
WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE SEEN A 20-POINT
JUMP IN GRADUATION IN THIS PROVINCE.

Steve says THAT DOESN'T SOUND
LIKE A YES THOUGH.

Coteau says I WOULD SAY EVERY
INDIVIDUAL... THERE ARE SO MANY
FACTORS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
WHEN MAKING AN ASSESSMENT.
I THINK ONCE A YOUNG PERSON SITS
DOWN, YOU KNOW, THE FAMILIES
WITH THAT SPECIALIST, THEY LOOK
AT THAT CHILD AS A WHOLE,
THERE'S AN ASSESSMENT THAT'S
MADE AND THE ASSESSMENT IS MADE
BASED ON THAT.
IF YOU'RE SITTING IN A CLASSROOM
AND ADHD IS AFFECTING THE WAY
YOU LEARN, THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU
NEED SOME SUPPORT.

Steve says THE QUESTION IS
SHOULD YOU AUTOMATICALLY BE
ELIGIBLE TO GET IT AS OTHER
AILMENTS ARE?

Coteau says IT DEPENDS ON THE ASSESSMENT, RIGHT?
BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE AUTISM, BUT
YOU MAY NOT NECESSARILY NEED A
SPECIFIC TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, TYPE
OF THERAPY, RIGHT?
SO IT'S BASED ON THE ASSESSMENT
AND WHAT BEST PRACTICES WOULD
SUGGEST.

Steve says PETER TABUNS?

The caption changes to "Peter Tabuns, @Peter_Tabuns."

Tabuns says IF YOU HAVE A
CONDITION OR ISSUE THAT PREVENTS
YOU FROM LEARNING, THEN YOU NEED
TO GET SUPPORT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THE LIBERALS
HAVE WAITED 15 YEARS ON THIS,
FRANKLY.
WE'VE HAD THE DEATH BED
CONVERSION WITH THE PROMISED
EXTRA MONEY FOR SPECIAL ED.
SURPRISING THINGS HAPPEN WITH
ELECTIONS, AS YOU KNOW, STEVE.
BUT WE THINK THAT IF THE
SITUATION WARRANTS SUPPORT,
SUPPORT HAS TO BE THERE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY
CHILD HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED.

Steve says GREENS?

Kiley says YES, WITH THE
BENEFIT TO THE STUDENT RECEIVING
THAT REPORT.
BIG CAVEAT BEING, WE NEED TO
ENSURE THE FUNDING IS THERE TO
SUPPORT THE TEACHERS TO SUPPORT
THEIR STUDENTS.
WE CAN'T JUST DOWNLOAD MORE
RESPONSIBILITY INTO THE
CLASSROOM AND EXPECT THINGS WILL
BE HUNKY DORY.
IN FACT, IT GETS BAD WHEN WE DO
THAT AND WE ASK TEACHERS TO DO
MORE AND MORE WITH LESS AND
LESS.
LET'S FIND SAVINGS IN EDUCATION.
LET'S CONSOLIDATE THE SCHOOL
BOARDS AND TAKE THAT BILLION DOLLARS
DOLLARS AND PUT IT BACK INTO THE CLASSROOM.

Steve says CHRISTINE ELLIOTT,
I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU GOT OUT
OVER YOUR SKIS WHEN YOU MADE
THAT COMMITMENT ON BEHALF OF THE
PC PARTY, BUT YOU'RE NOT THE
MINISTER OF EDUCATION YET, YOU
WEREN'T THE EDUCATION CRITIC IN
THE LAST PARLIAMENT, SO HOW DO
YOU KNOW YOU CAN MAKE THAT
COMMITMENT ON BEHALF OF YOUR
LEADER AND YOUR PARTY?

Elliott says I HAVE
TALKED TO DOUG FORD ABOUT THE
COMMITMENTS THAT I THINK ARE
REALLY IMPORTANT.
SPECIAL EDUCATION AND WORKING
WITH PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS
IS A HUGE PRIORITY FOR ME.
I'VE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT AND
HE'S VERY SUPPORTIVE.

Steve says YOU GOT A COMMITMENT
OUT OF HIM TO INCLUDE ADHD ON
THE LIST OF CONDITIONS UNDER
WHICH STUDENTS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE
AUTOMATICALLY FOR ADDITIONAL SUPPORTS?

Elliott says WE
DIDN'T GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF
DISCUSSION, BUT THERE IS A
DISCUSSION ABOUT SUPPORTING
PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS IN
SCHOOL AND IN EMPLOYMENT, SO, YES.
GENERALLY, YES.

The caption changes to "Producer: Cara Stern, @carastern."

Steve says GENERALLY, YES.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW TV STATIONS
HAVE THE HABIT OF PLAYING BACK
TAPE AS YOU KNOW AT INOPPORTUNE
MOMENTS.
GOOD DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR COMING
IN TO TVO TONIGHT.
MICHAEL COTEAU, LIBERAL CANDIDATE.
CHRISTINE ELLIOTT, PC CANDIDATE.
PETER TABUNS, NDP CANDIDATE.
ROBERT KILEY, THANKS FOR COMING
ALL THE WAY FROM KINGSTON,
ONTARIO, TO JOIN US FOR OUR
DISCUSSIONS TODAY.
HE'S RUNNING FOR THE GREENS IN
EASTERN ONTARIO.
APPRECIATE IT, EVERYBODY.

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