Transcript: Building Sustainable Cities | Apr 23, 2018

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and striped red and pink tie.

A caption on screen reads "Building sustainable cities."

Steve says UNITED NATIONS
SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOAL #11
IS TO "BUILD SUSTAINABLE CITIES
AND COMMUNITIES."
WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT IS A
WORK IN PROGRESS, AND WILL MEAN
DIFFERENT THINGS IN DIFFERENT
PLACES AROUND THE GLOBE.
TO FIND OUT WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK
LIKE HERE IN ONTARIO, WE'RE
JOINED BY:
BERRY VRBANOVIC, MAYOR OF KITCHENER...

Berry is in his fifties, clean-shaven and balding. He's wearing as gray suit, lilac shirt, and checked purple tie.

Steve continues ROB BURTON, THE MAYOR OF OAKVILLE...

Rob is in his sixties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit, yellow shirt, and green tie.

Steve continues BROCK CARLTON, CEO, THE FEDERATION OF CANADIAN
MUNICIPALITIES...

Brock is in his late forties, with receding white hair and a trimmed beard. He's wearing a gray pinstripe suit, yellow shirt, and lavender tie.

Steve continues AND PATRICIA McCARNEY, CEO OF
THE WORLD COUNCIL ON CITY DATA.
SHE'S ALSO A PROFESSOR AND
DIRECTOR OF THE UNIVERSITY OF
TORONTO'S GLOBAL CITIES INSTITUTE.

Patricia is in her forties, with long wavy blond hair. She's wearing a black blazer over a black shirt, and a silver pendant necklace.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "W.G.S.I. Generation SDG."

Steve continues WE ARE DELIGHTED TO WELCOME YOU
ALL TO TVO TONIGHT, PARTICULARLY
SINCE... HOW LONG DID IT TAKE
YOU TO GET HERE?

Berry says 2 HOURS AND 40 MINUTES.

Steve says FROM KITCHENER.

Berry says FROM KITCHENER.
WE NEED THAT TRAIN.

Steve says HOW LONG FROM OAKVILLE?

Rob MAYBE AN HOUR AND A QUARTER.

Steve says I REMEMBER WHEN I
WAS A KID.
THIRTY MINUTES.
HOW ABOUT YOU?

Brock says I CAME IN LAST NIGHT TO AVOID
THE TRAFFIC.

Steve says FROM OTTAWA.

Brock says FROM OTTAWA.

Steve says YOU?

Patricia says FIVE MINUTES.
I'M THE TORONTONIAN.

Steve says YOU LIVE FIVE
MINUTES AWAY.
GOOD ON YOU.
IN 2015, THE UNITED NATIONS AND
ITS 193 MEMBER STATES CREATED
THESE 17 SO-CALLED SUSTAINABLE
DEVELOPMENT GOALS, SDGs, AND
SHELDON, IF YOU WOULD, LET'S
BRING UP THIS GRAPHIC AND GO
THROUGH SOME OF THEM.

A slate appears on screen, with the title "The ingredients for a sustainable city. Targets to reach by 2030."

Steve reads data from the slate and says
WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER 11
TODAY WHICH IS THE AIM TO MAKE
CITIES INCLUSIVE, RESILIENT,
SAFE AND SUSTAINABLE AND HERE'S
THE PLAN TO MAKE IT HAPPEN BY
THE YEAR 2030: ENSURE ACCESS TO
ALL TO ADEQUATE, SAFE and affordable housing.
Provide access to safe, affordable, accessible and sustainable transport systems.
Reduce the environmental impact of cities.
Universal access to green and public spaces.
THAT'S SOME OF WHAT'S INVOLVED
IN TRYING TO MAKE NUMBER 11 COME
TRUE.
BERRY, I WANT TO START WITH YOU.
MORE THAN HALF THE WORLD'S
POPULATION NOW LIVES IN CITIES.
BEFORE THE SDGs, THE
SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS,
THERE WERE THE MILLENNIAL
DEVELOPMENT GOALS AND STRANGELY
ENOUGH IN THOSE GOALS, THERE WAS
NO MENTION OF CITIES.
WHY DO YOU THINK NOT?

The caption changes to "Berry Vrbanovic. Mayor of Kitchener."
Then, it changes again to "A guiding goal?"

Berry says YOU KNOW WHAT?
IT WAS A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE THE
MDGs AND NOW THE SDGs
DEVELOPED AT THE UNITED NATIONS
WHERE NATION STATES ARE REALLY
SETTING THE POLICY, SETTING THE
GOALS THAT EXIST FOR THE REST OF
THE PLANET, AND THEY WERE
FORGETTING ABOUT THE FACT THAT
IN FACT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE
THERE NEEDED TO BE FOLKS THAT
WERE INVOLVED IN THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THEM, AND IN
FACT FOLKS WHO WERE VERY ENGAGED
IN SETTING POLICIES AND DRIVING
THE CHANGE AGENDA FORWARD.
AND SO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT
MOVEMENT, THROUGH NATIONAL
ASSOCIATIONS LIKE THE FED
DEMONSTRATION OF CANADIAN...
FEDERATION OF CANADIAN
MUNICIPALITIES AND UNITED CITIES
AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS REALLY
ADDED A STRONG VOICE AT THE
UNITED NATIONS TO LOBBY FOR OUR
INCLUSION IN THE SDGs, AND SDG
11 ULTIMATELY ENDED UP BECOMING
THAT POINT, AND THE RECOGNITION
THAT, YOU KNOW, WE AREN'T JUST
IMPLEMENTERS OF THIS BUT REALLY
AS CITIES WE'RE CATALYSTS OF
CHANGE THAT WILL DRIVE THE
AGENDA FORWARD.

Steve says HOW SIGNIFICANT IS
IT NOW THAT YOU CITIES ARE
MENTIONED IN THE SUSTAINABLE
DEVELOPMENT GOALS?

The caption changes to "Rob Burton. Mayor of Oakville."

Rob says IN OAKVILLE WE
FIND IT REINFORCING FROM WHAT
OUR POPULATION HAS BEEN
DEMANDING US TO DO WITHOUT THAT
IMPETUS.
SO IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD TO HAVE
KIND OF A TOP-DOWN SUPPORT
COMING IN TO THE GRASS ROOTS
SUPPORT THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED.
MY COMMUNITY, 12 YEARS AGO, WAS
ALL OVER OUR TOWN GOVERNMENT TO
CREATE A SUSTAINABILITY PLAN,
NOT EVEN KNOWING ABOUT THIS.
SO THIS HAS BEEN A FIT OF THE,
IF YOU WILL, THE UNITED NATIONS
AND THE GRASS ROOTS.

Steve says HOW MUCH OF AN
UPHILL BATTLE WAS IT, PATRICIA,
FOR CITIES TO GET A SEAT AT THIS
INTERNATIONAL TABLE?

The caption changes to "Patricia McCarney. World Council on City Data."

Patricia says IT WAS DEFINITELY AN UPHILL BATTLE.
SOME MIGHT CALL IT SCALING THE
WALL BECAUSE CITIES WERE JUST
NOT ON THE RADAR OF
INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, AS
BERRY JUST MENTIONED.
CITIES WERE EXCLUDED FROM MAJOR
EVENTS EVEN BEFORE THE NDGs.
DURING THE '80s WHEN I WORKED
FOR U.N. HABITAT IN NAIROBI.
IN 1990 ONLY 4 percent OF THEIR BUDGET
WAS DEDICATED TO CITIES.
THAT'S A HUGE BUDGET.
4 percent.
WHEN I WAS WORKING IN THE
INFRASTRUCTURE DIVISION OF THE
BANK, IT WAS MOSTLY
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR BIG DAM
PROJECTS.
IT STILL WASN'T CITY-LEVEL
INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO IT'S BEEN AN UPHILL CLIMB BUT
I HAVE TO SAY I THINK CITIES
HAVE ARRIVED.
CITIES ON THE GLOBAL STAGE ARE
STARTING TO HAVE VOICE, AND
PARTLY IT IS IN RESPONSE TO THE
CRITICISMS OF THE MILLENNIUM
DEVELOPMENT GOALS.
ONE OF THE SHORTCOMINGS WAS, AS
YOU MENTIONED, CITIES WEREN'T
MENTIONED.
THE OTHER SHORTCOMING OF THE
MILLENNIUM DEVELOPMENT GOALS WAS
THERE WAS REALLY LITTLE
MEASUREMENT.
DATA WAS PRETTY MUCH ABSENT FROM
THE MDGs AND YET WE WERE TO
ACHIEVE THESE GOALS BY 2015 BUT
WITHOUT...

Steve says ABLE TO MEASURE THEM.

Patricia says YES.

Steve says THAT'S A LITTLE
DIFFICULT, ISN'T IT?

Patricia says CITIES HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED
INTO THE SDGs AND I THINK BOTH
DRIVE FORWARD PROJECT.

Steve says BROCK, I'M SURE THE
TWO MAYORS SEATED AT THE TABLE
TODAY AND MAYORS GOING INTO
MUNICIPALITIES BEYOND WOULD
CLEARLY WANT THEIR CITIES TO BE
SAFE AND INCLUSIVE AND RESILIENT
AND SUSTAINABLE.
THESE ARE ALL MOTHERHOOD GOALS.
SO WHAT DOES SUSTAINABLE
DEVELOPMENT GOAL NUMBER 11,
WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT TONIGHT, WHAT DOES THAT
OFFER THAT WOULDN'T ALREADY BE
PART OF ANY CITY'S MISSION?

The caption changes to "Brock Carlton. Federation of Canadian Municipalities."

Brock says IT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE ANY GOOD MAYOR
IN ANY CITY IN THE WORLD IS
LOOKING AT THESE ISSUES ON A
DAILY BASIS.
I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT
ABOUT THESE SDGs, AND
PARTICULARLY SDG 11, IS THIS
PUTS THIS ON THE AGENDA IN THE
INTERNATIONAL ARENA.
SO IT'S CONFIRMING IN THE
INTERNATIONAL ARENA AND TO THE
NATIONAL GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE
INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS
THAT CITIES ARE CRITICAL.
YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN SAY HERE IN
CANADA THAT INVESTING IN
LOCALLY, INVESTING IN LOCAL
SOLUTIONS TO SOLVE NATIONAL
CHALLENGES.
THIS IS A CLEAR INDICATION THAT
INVESTING LOCALLY IS TO SOLVE
GLOBAL CHALLENGES AND THE ROLES
THAT CITIES PLAY IN ADDRESSING
THESE NATIONAL CHALLENGES IS
CENTRAL.
WE WON'T GET THERE WITHOUT THE
INVOLVEMENT OF THE CITIES.

Steve says IF YOU HAD TO
MENTION ONE... THE NAME THAT
COMES TO MY MIND IS MIKE
BLOOMBERG, THE FORMER MAYOR OF
NEW YORK CITY, TO PUT CITIES ON
THE MAP AS PLAYERS IN THIS.
IS HE A GUY AS WELL?

Brock says HE'S CERTAINLY BEEN A DRIVER
INTERNATIONALLY.
GREGOR ROBERTSON HAS PLAYED A
MAJOR ROLE IN THE CANADIAN
CONTEXT.

Steve says MAYOR OF VANCOUVER.

Brock says ALONG WITH MAYOR NENSHI AND
MAYOR IVERSON.
HE WAS AN IMPORTANT DRIVER, AS
WAS THE MAYOR OF PARIS.
PATRICIA WAS TALKING ABOUT THE
GROWTH AND THE PRESENCE OF
CITIES IN AN INTERNATIONAL
DIALOGUE.
COP 21 IN PARIS, A THOUSAND
MAYORS ON THE STEPS OF PARIS
CITY HALL, ALL THERE TALKING
ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF CITIES
IN THE CLIMATE CHANGE AGENDA.

Patricia says THAT WAS
A TURNING POINT.

Brock says IT WAS.

Berry says IN THE TWO WEEKS SORT OF LEADING
UP TO ULTIMATELY COP 21, THE
COUNTRIES WERE... THERE WAS
STILL A WHOLE SERIES OF
COUNTRIES WHO WERE DEBATING,
SHOULD WE SIGN ON?
SHOULD WE NOT SIGN ON?
AND THE MEETING OF THE MAURICE
WAS REALLY PLANNED... MAYORS WAS
REALLY PLANNED IN A WAY TO GIVE
IT THAT FINAL IMPETUS TO SAY
THAT THE GRASS ROOTS, LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS, ARE BEHIND YOU AND
WE'LL SUPPORT YOU THROUGH THIS.
AND IT DID SENT THAT FINAL
MESSAGE THAT ULTIMATELY GOT THE
SIGN-ONS FROM THE GOVERNMENTS OF
THE WORLD.

Patricia says THAT'S
IN STARK CONTRAST TO 1992 WITH
THE EARTH SUMMIT IN
RIO DE JANEIRO, THE BIGGEST
DOCUMENT THAT LED TO THE MDGs
AND SDGs.
AGENDA 21, IT WAS ONLY NATIONAL
GOVERNMENT LEADERS THAT WERE IN
THE FORUM IN RIO.

Steve says SO YOU WERE ALL
EXCLUDED?

Patricia says YES.
I PERSONALLY REMEMBER PUSHING,
WE HAD MAURICE STRONG WHO WAS
THEN THE HEAD OF THE UNITED
NATIONS ENVIRONMENT AND
DEVELOPMENT GROUP, AND WE WERE
PUSHING CANADIAN MAYORS TO BE
ABLE TO BE ON THE PODIUM IN RIO
BECAUSE WE WERE ALREADY, YOU
KNOW, LOOKING AT AN URBAN WORLD,
THAT THRESHOLD OF WORLD URBAN
DEVELOPMENT.
THERE WAS ONE MAYOR IN THE
OPENING PLENARY, IT WAS THE
MAYOR OF RIO DE JANEIRO.
WHY?
BECAUSE HE WAS WELCOMING THE
NATIONAL LEVEL DELEGATES TO RIO.

Steve says THAT'S ALL THEY SAW
HIS ROLE AS, JUST THE WELCOMING GUY.

Rob says THERE'S BEEN A TRANSFORMATION
IN THE ROLE OF THE CITIES ON
MUNICIPALITIES WHICH IS STARK IN
ONTARIO, AND THAT TRANSFORMATION
HAS GONE FROM BEING A DUMPING
GROUND FOR DOWNLOADING FROM THE
PROVINCE AND THE NATIONAL LEVEL,
WHERE THEY SHIFT TAX BURDENS OFF
OF INCOME AND SALES TAXES ONTO
PROPERTY TAX, AND WE'VE SPENT
THE LAST 17 YEARS OR SO TRYING
TO REVERSE THAT WITH A GREAT
DEAL OF SUCCESS FROM THE... IN
THE ONTARIO CONTEXT, BECAUSE OF
THE UPLOADING THAT THIS
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT AGREED TO
DO ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK OF CITIES AS
A KIND OF REVOLUTIONARY ACT IN
THE CANADIAN CONTEXT.
WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION THAT ONLY
RECOGNIZES THE NATIONAL AND THE
PROVINCIAL LEVELS, AND THE
PROVINCES ARE NO SUBORDINATE
ENTITY TO THE NATIONAL LEVEL, AS
THE SUPREME COURT DECISION ON
TRADE BETWEEN PROVINCES PROVES,
AND WE ARE KEPT OUT, WE'RE NOT
WANTED.
ONE OF THE FAVOURITE LITTLE
STORIES I HAVE ABOUT
CONFEDERATION IS IN THE 30
YEARS, IN THE DECADES LEADING UP
TO CONFEDERATION, A GROUP OF
FARMERS IN A RURAL AREA DOWN
EAST ORGANIZED TO BUILD A
SCHOOLHOUSE AND HIRE A TEACHER,
AND THEY WERE SHUT DOWN BY THE
CROWN AND THE RESPONSE FROM THE
CROWN WAS, "WHEN WE WANT YOU TO
HAVE A SCHOOL, WE'LL LET YOU
KNOW."

Steve says BECAUSE
MUNICIPALITIES ARE CREATIONS OF
THE PROVINCE.
YOU DON'T HAVE THAT LEGITIMACY,
I GUESS, IN THE EYES OF THE
CONSTITUTION.

Rob says AND ALL THESE SETTLERS GOING,
WELL, THAT'S GREAT.
YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE AUTHORITY
YOU WANT.
BUT WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ACT?
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LIVE UP TO
YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES?

Steve says MAYOR, LET ME ASK
YOU THIS: TO WHAT EXTENT, YOU
KNOW, YOU GET ELECTED BY THE
PEOPLE OF KITCHENER.
YOU DON'T GET ELECTED AROUND THE
WORLD.
SO I WONDER WHETHER SDGs, YOU
KNOW SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT
GOAL NUMBER 11, WHICH IS WHAT
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, HOW
MUCH THAT REALLY GUIDES YOUR
APPROACH TO TRY TO BUILD A
BETTER KITCHENER?

Berry says YOU KNOW WHAT?
I WOULD SAY IT CERTAINLY GIVES
US A GLOBAL CONTEXT WITHIN WHICH
WE'RE WORKING, TOGETHER WITH
OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND
COMMUNITIES AROUND THE PLANET TO
TACKLE THESE THINGS, AND I
THINK, AS MY COLLEAGUE MAYOR
BURTON SAID EARLIER, WE'RE ALL
DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES.
I MEAN, KITCHENER HAS HAD A
SUSTAINABLE PLAN FOR SOME TIME.
WATERLOO REGION HAS BEEN
BUILDING AN LRT AS PART OF
EFFECTIVE TRANSPORTATION.
WE WORKED WITH THE NATIONAL
GOVERNMENT TO SEE THE NATIONAL
HOUSING STRATEGY THAT GOT
ANNOUNCED EARLIER THIS YEAR AND
WE'RE READY TO IMPLEMENT THOSE
DOLLARS AS THEY START FLOWING.
SO I WOULD SAY THE WORK THAT
WE'RE DOING, IN CANADA WE'VE
BEEN DOING OVER SOME TIME.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, IN
OTTAWA AND IN TORONTO,
GOVERNMENTS THAT RECOGNIZE THE
IMPORTANCE OF THIS AGENDA AND
MOVING IT FORWARD, AND WE NOW
HAVE A GLOBAL CONTEXT WITHIN
WHICH WE'RE WORKING, WITHIN
WHICH CANADA IS PROUD TO BE PART OF.

Steve says MY HUNCH IS, PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND WHAT MAYORS DO.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE
FEDERATION OF CANADIAN
MUNICIPALITIES REPRESENTS EVERY
CITY, TOWN IN THE COUNTRY.
THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHAT YOU DO.
I WANT TO SPEND A MOMENT HERE TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT...

Patricia says NOT MANY
PEOPLE DO.

[LAUGHTER]

Steve says WELL, THE WORLD
COUNCIL ON CITY DATA IS WHERE
YOU'RE OUT OF.
WHAT'S YOUR MISSION THERE?

Patricia says WE'RE BUILDING STANDARDIZED
DATA FOR CITIES AROUND THE GLOBE.

Steve says THAT MEANS WHAT?

The caption changes to "Patricia McCarney, @WCCityData."

Patricia says IN CANADA AND AROUND THE
GLOBE.
THAT MEANS WE BUILD SOMETHING
CALLED ISO, WITHOUT GETTING INTO
THE TECHNICALITIES, ISO 37-120
WAS THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL
STANDARD COMING OUT OF THE
INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR
STANDARDIZATION IN GENEVA.
IT'S A GLOBAL FIRST.
THERE WAS NO STANDARD DEDICATED
TO CITIES AND CERTAINLY NOT CITY
DATA.
AND WHEN WE STARTED, DATA, YOU
KNOW, CITIES ARE ALL MEASURING
THE SAME THING.
THE PRIORITIES OF WASTE
MANAGEMENT, TRANSIT, MOBILITY,
ETC.
AIR QUALITY.
BUT EVERYONE WAS MEASURING IT BY
DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS AND
METHODOLOGIES.
SO WE HAD 1100 INDICATORS IN
NINE CITIES, WE ASKED THE NINE
CITIES, WHAT ARE YOU GATHERING?
1100 INDICATORS CAME BACK.
ONLY TWO WERE COMPARABLE.

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Steve says SO APPLES AND
ORANGES EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

Patricia says RIGHT.
WE WERE TRYING TO BUILD AN
APPLES TO APPLES STUDY.
BUENOS AIRES CAN TALK TO
TORONTO, TORONTO CAN TALK TO
L.A.

Steve says ARE YOU SUCCEEDING?

Patricia says YES.

Steve says WE HAVE
APPLES-TO-APPLES MEASUREMENT AND
COMPARE DATA TO WHATEVER CITY IN
THE WORLD.

Rob says IT'S VITAL.
WITHOUT DATA, YOU CAN'T TELL
WHETHER YOU'RE MAKING ANY
PROGRESS OR NOT.
WITHOUT DATA, YOU CAN'T REALLY
IDENTIFY BEST PRACTICES ACROSS
THE PROVINCE.
FOR MANY, MANY... FOR
GENERATIONS WE'VE HAD A
FINANCIAL INFORMATION REPORT,
THE FIR, THAT WE CITIES HAVE TO
FILE WITH THE PROVINCE.
I BET YOU ANY MONEY BERRY AND I
REPORT THE DATA WITHIN THE FIR
ON A DIFFERENT BASIS TO MAKE IT
HARD TO COMPARE.

Steve says WHY?

The caption changes to "Rob Burton, @OakvilleMayor."

Rob says WELL, I THINK THERE'S A...
FIRST OFF, I DON'T THINK WE WORK
TOGETHER ENOUGH.
I DON'T THINK WE EVER HAD THE
OCCASION TO DECIDE
TOGETHER, "WELL, LET'S MEASURE
IT THIS WAY."
AND SOME OF THE THINGS MEASURED
ARE SO VASTLY DIFFERENT IN
EXPERIENCE IT'S HARD TO MAKE A
COMPARISON.
SNOW-CLEARING, FOR EXAMPLE.
IF YOU LIVE IN OAKVILLE YOU
DON'T GET SNOW VERY OFTEN AND
YOUR SNOW-CLEARING STANDARD IS
GOING TO LOOK VERY DIFFERENT
THAN, WHERE I USED TO LIVE,
SUDBURY, WE USED TO JOKE 11
MONTHS OF TOUGH WINTER AND 1
MONTH OF TOUGH SLEDDING.
THE BIG DIFFERENCE HAS BEEN THE
INCLUSION OF MUNICIPALITIES AT
THE TABLE.
THE PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA,
JUSTIN TRUDEAU, HAS INCLUDED
MUNICIPALITIES AND INDIGENOUS
PEOPLES AT A FOUR-SIDED TABLE
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN CANADIAN
HISTORY AND CHALLENGED US CITIES
TO INCLUDE THE INDIGENOUS
PEOPLES IN OUR AFFAIRS, AND THAT
HAS HAD REMARKABLE
TRANSFORMATIVE EFFECT.
CAN YOU IMAGINE BEING INVITED...
I DON'T THINK CITIES CAN IMAGINE
HAVING BEEN INVITED TO THE TABLE
BEFORE TRUDEAU DID IT.
AND KATHLEEN WYNNE HAS HAD THREE
YEARS OF SUMMITS WITH THE
MAYORS, AND THAT'S BEEN
TRANSFORMATIVE FOR US.
WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT DIRECT AN
EAR TO THE CENTRE, EITHER FOR
CANADA OR FOR THE PROVINCE.

Steve says LET ME PICK UP ON
ONE WORD YOU SAID, THOUGH, AND
THAT IS STANDARDS.
BROCK, I'LL GO TO YOU WITH THIS.
AGAIN, MY GUESS IS, MANY OF THE
STANDARDS THAT WE'RE DEALING
WITH HERE FOR SUSTAINABLE
DEVELOPMENT GOALS HAVE TO BE
FAIRLY LOW IN ORDER TO BE
INCLUSIVE OF THE DEVELOPING
WORLD AS WELL.
DOES THAT LET THESE GUYS OFF THE
HOOK SOMEWHAT?

The caption changes to "Brock Carlton, @FCM_Brock."

Brock says NO, BECAUSE
THE STANDARDS THAT WE'RE SETTING
IN CANADA RELATE TO THE CANADIAN
CONTEXT AND THE CANADIAN
REALITY, AND THE REALITY TO
REGIONS IN DIFFERENT PROVINCES
AND TERRITORIES.
I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT
ABOUT THE DATA IN THE CANADIAN
CONTEXT, IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S
ALREADY BEEN SAID IS, I THINK
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THIS
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS INVESTED
HISTORIC AMOUNTS OF MONEY IN
INFRASTRUCTURE, INTO HOUSING AND
PUBLIC TRANSIT, AND THE
MUNICIPALITIES HAVE TO REPORT
BACK SO THE DATA NEEDS TO BE
THERE TO DEMONSTRATE THE
PROGRESS ON THESE INVESTMENTS SO
THE INVESTMENTS WILL BE ONGOING
AND SUSTAINED IN THE LONG TERM,
BECAUSE WITHOUT THOSE
INVESTMENTS, MUNICIPALITIES
CANNOT ACHIEVE THE OBJECTIVES
THAT CANADIANS EXPECT TO
ACHIEVE, THEY CAN'T ACHIEVE
WHAT'S INHERIT IN THE SDG NUMBER
11 AND THE OTHER SDGs.
SO THAT DATA AND THE ABILITY TO
REPORT AND DEMONSTRATE PROGRESS
TOWARDS THE NATIONAL OBJECTIVES
IS PART OF WHAT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT IN THIS COUNTRY.

Steve says WHAT WOULD YOU SAY,
MAYOR, IS THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE
IN YOUR WAY RIGHT NOW THAT
PROHIBITS YOU FROM ACHIEVING
SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOAL
NUMBER 11 AND CREATING A TRULY
SUSTAINABLE CITY?
WHAT'S THE WORST PROBLEM?

The caption changes to "Berry Vrbanovic, @berryonline."
Then, it changes again to "Diversity issues."

Berry says I WOULD
SAY IT'S PROBABLY TWO THINGS.
ONE CONTINUES TO BE THE ISSUE OF
FUNDING AND WHILE WE'VE MADE
SIGNIFICANT INROADS IN THAT, IT
IS OBVIOUSLY ALWAYS CONTINGENT
ON THE GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY AND
TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT
CONTINUES TO BE SUSTAINABLE ON A
LONG-TERM BASIS IS EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT TO US.
NUMBER TWO IS REALLY MAKING SURE
THAT WE BRING OUR COMMUNITIES
ALONG WITH US ON THIS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S
INTERESTING.
ANY TIME WE DO ANY SURVEY WORK
IN KITCHENER, FOR EXAMPLE,
SUSTAINABILITY AND THE
ENVIRONMENT ALWAYS RANK ONE OR
TWO IN TERMS OF PRIORITIES.
THEN WHEN YOU START TALKING
ABOUT COST, IT SORT OF DROPS
DOWN A FEW RANKS ALONG THE WAY.

Rob says OR WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WASTE
DIVERSION, YOU KNOW, WE GET 80 percent
COMPLIANCE WITH THE, YOU KNOW,
SORT YOUR GARBAGE, BUT WE'VE
STILL GOT, WELL, 15 TO 20 percent OF
PEOPLE ARE GOING, WELL, I'M NOT
GOING TO BOTHER.

Berry says "OR I DON'T WANT TO USE THE
ORGANICS," OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS.

Steve says YOUR CITIES, IF I
CAN JUST COMPARE FOR A SECOND,
THEY'RE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE IN
POPULATION, I THINK?
YOU'RE OVER 200,000.

Berry says 240.

Steve says YOU'RE UNDER
200,000?

Rob says BERRY IS BIGGER THAN ME.

Steve says BARRIE, ONTARIO?

Berry says NO, BERRY.
KITCHENER.

Rob says WE WERE 193,000 IN THE CENSUS
TWO YEARS AGO.
WE'RE PROBABLY 200 NOW.

Steve says WHEN YOU SAID BERRY,
YOU MEANT B-E-R-R Y.

Rob says I ALWAYS GO FOR THE LAUGH.

Steve says AND THE CITIES ARE
QUITE DIFFERENT.
EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE AROUND THE
SAME SIZE.
YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE HOST OF
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ISSUES AND
CHALLENGES FROM, YOU KNOW, A
DECLINING MANUFACTURING BASE
FROM 40 YEARS AGO THAT YOU'RE
STILL DEALING WITH.
NOW YOU'RE THE INNOVATION
CORRIDOR.
WE GET IT.
ALL THAT'S HAPPENING.
YOUR COMMUNITY IS THE RICHEST IN
THE COUNTRY OR AMONG THE RICHEST
IN THE COUNTRY.

Rob says WE'RE THE CITY THAT CALLS
ITSELF A TOWN AND ACTS LIKE A VILLAGE.

Steve says OKAY.
BUT IN ORDER... I GUESS THE
QUESTION IS: IS IT A LOT EASIER
FOR YOU TO BE SUSTAINABLE GIVEN
THE RELATIVE WEALTH OF YOUR
POPULACE COMPARED TO EVERYBODY ELSE'S?

Rob says I TELL MY POPULATION EVERY
YEAR THAT WE HAVE THE SMALLEST
OF THESE PROBLEMS AND WE HAVE
THE GREATEST RESOURCES, AND IF
WE CAN'T MAKE PROGRESS, NOBODY
CAN.
AND WE HAVE A DUTY TO WORK HARD
AT IT.
AND I GET THAT BACK FROM THE
GRASS ROOTS.
I'M CONTINUALLY CHALLENGED, WHY
AREN'T WE DOING BETTER?
SO IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE TO BE
MAYOR BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT YOU TO
DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

Brock says THERE'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE
HERE ABOUT POLITICAL LEADERSHIP.
IT'S IMPORTANT... THE SIZE OF
THE RESOURCES IS IMPORTANT.
I MENTIONED GREGOR ROBERTSON
EARLIER AND HIS PUSH TO HAVE
VANCOUVER GO TO RENEWABLE ENERGY
BY 2050 AS A COMMITMENT.
THAT WAS A GROUNDBREAKING PIECE.
BUT THE SAME POLITICAL
LEADERSHIP COMES FROM A PLACE
LIKE OXFORD COUNTY.
LITTLE OXFORD COUNTY SAYS WE'RE
GOING TO RENEWABLE BY 2050 AS
WELL AND THEY'RE DEVELOPING
THEIR PLAN.
THERE'S RESOURCES, ALL THOSE
THINGS, BUT ALSO THE POLITICAL
LEADERSHIP.

Steve says CAN I JUST FOLLOW UP
ON THAT?
WE ACTUALLY HAVE INFO ON THAT.
OXFORD COUNTY, TOTAL POPULATION
OF 100,000.
IT IS COMMITTED TO PHASING OUT
FOSSIL FUELS AND BEING 100 percent
RENEWABLE BY THE YEAR 2050.
THAT'S ELECTRICITY, HEATING,
COOLING, TRANSPORTATION,
AGRICULTURE... THEIR PRIMARY
INDUSTRY.
CAN ANYBODY DO THIS?

Patricia says YES.

Steve says TRULY?

Patricia says IT'S
HAPPENING IN EUROPE.

The caption changes to "Combating climate change."

Steve says IT'S HAPPENING IN EUROPE.
WHO IS DOING GREAT
ON THIS WE COULD LEARN FROM?

Patricia says MANY OF THE SCANDINAVIAN
CITIES, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM
ARE THERE, IN SWEDEN.
WE'VE BEEN MAPPING... THAT'S ONE
OF THE INDICATORS IS THE
INDICATOR AROUND RENEWABLES AND
HOW MUCH OF YOUR CITY'S
CONSUMPTION OF ENERGY IS BASED
ON RENEWABLE VERSUS OTHER.
OAKVILLE AND OTHERS ARE DOING
REALLY WELL.
OAKVILLE HAS ALREADY REPORTED ON
THE ISO-37-120 DATA AND CANADIAN
CITIES ARE STELLAR ON SO MANY
FRONTS.
THE AIR QUALITY MEASURES, FOR
EXAMPLE, PARTICULATE MATTER IN
THE AIR, WHEN YOU GRAPH ALL THE
CITIES GLOBALLY THAT ARE IN OUR
DATA PLATFORM, THERE'S VAUGHAN
AND CAMBRIDGE AND TORONTO AND
OAKVILLE AND SURREY AND ALL THE
CANADIAN CITIES ARE ALL
CLUSTERED TO THE RIGHT.
CLEANEST AIR.

Steve says CLEANEST AIR?

Patricia says YES.
CLUSTERED TO THE RIGHT IS THE
LOWEST PARTICULATE MATTER
CONCENTRATION.
IT'S A REALLY DANGEROUS
SUBSTANCE.
THAT PUSHES ALSO ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE WE KNOW IN
BEIJING, FOR EXAMPLE, MANY
INDUSTRIES AND COMPANIES ARE
LEAVING BEIJING AND MOVING TO
SHANGHAI.
WHY?
BECAUSE OF THE AIR QUALITY.

Steve says CAN'T BREATHE.

Patricia says THEY'RE LEAVING DELHI AND
MOVING TO OTHER CITIES IN INDIA.
BUT HERE WE ARE ON THE GLOBAL
STAGE WITH THIS DATA WHERE OUR
MAYORS, LIKE MAYOR BURTON, CAN
SAY, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT GOES
TO ATTRACTIVENESS FOR INVESTMENT.

Rob says AND IT SAVES YOU MONEY.
LIKE, IF YOU'RE A TAXPAYER, YOU
HAVE TO BE FOR THIS BECAUSE IT'S
GOING TO SAVE YOU MONEY IN THE
LONG RUN.
POLLUTION IS WASTE.
ANY WASTE YOU REDUCE MAKES
THINGS MORE EFFICIENT.
THE MORE EFFICIENT THINGS ARE,
THE LESS THEY COST YOU ON A
PER-UNIT BASIS.
IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE.
IF YOU WANT CLEANER AIR, IT
DRIVES DOWN THE COST OF HEALTH
CARE BECAUSE PARTICULATE MATTER,
SMALLER THAN 2.5-MICRONS, IS THE
DEADLIEST POLLUTANT THERE IS.

Patricia says IT GETS INTO YOUR BLOODSTREAM.

Rob says IT GETS INTO YOUR LUNG AND
CAN'T GET OUT, IT CAUSES ALL
KINDS OF FATAL DISEASES.
OAKVILLE PASSED AN AIR HEALTH
PROTECTION BY-LAW WHERE WE
REGULATE PARTICULATE MATTER.
WE'RE THE ONLY CITY IN THE
COUNTRY THAT DOES.
AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SELL IT
TO ALL THE OTHER CITIES AND THEY
ALL GO, OH, NO, IT WOULD BE
TERRIBLE FOR BUSINESS.
OAKVILLE'S ECONOMY HAS DONE
NOTHING BUT GROW SINCE WE PASSED
IT AND WE'VE ATTRACTED CLEAN
INDUSTRIES AND WE IDENTIFIED OUR
POLLUTERS AND PUT THEM ON
IMPROVEMENT PLANS.
EVERY ONE OF THEM SIGNED UP.
EVERY ONE OF THEM IS MAKING
PROGRESS.
FAR FROM HURTING BUSINESS, IT
ACTUALLY HELPS BUSINESS AND IT
HELPS US.
CAN I SIGN YOU UP TODAY?

Patricia says AMAZON'S
BID TO LOCATE THE SECOND
HEADQUARTERS IN THE TORONTO
REGION HAS BEEN COMPETING ON, IF
YOU LOOK AT THE RFP FOR THAT, IT
WAS... JEFF BEZOS WAS ASKING
QUESTIONS, HOW CLEAN IS YOUR
AIR?
WHAT KIND OF SUSTAINABILITY
TRACK ARE YOUR CITIES ON?
HOW SAFE IS YOUR CITY?
HE WANTED HOMICIDES.
HE WANTED VIOLENT CRIME.
THOSE KIND OF INDICATORS, WHICH
ARE...

Steve says NOT JUST TAX BREAKS.

Patricia says NOT THE USUAL TAX BREAK KIND
OF VOCABULARY.
THE DATA THAT CITIES HAVE CAN
ACTUALLY POWER EXACTLY THAT.

Steve says YOU GO AHEAD.

Brock says AN IMPORTANT FEATURE OF THIS
IS, THESE GUYS AREN'T OPERATING
ALONE.
THERE ARE NETWORKS THAT ARE
SUPPORTING KNOWLEDGE-SHARING AND
CAPACITY-BUILDING ACROSS THE
MUNICIPAL SYSTEM.
SO WHEN YOU ASK, IS THIS DOABLE,
AND PATRICIA TALKS ABOUT EUROPE,
THERE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT
LEARNING NETWORKS IN CANADA.
FCM HAS A PARTNERS FOR CLIMATE
PROTECTION PROGRAM.
THERE ARE 300 MUNICIPALITIES ON
THIS.
THEY'RE ON A STEP-BY-STEP
PROGRAM TO ENHANCE THEIR
SUSTAINABILITY.
BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT LEARNING.
IT'S ALL ABOUT LEARNING FROM
EACH OTHER.
SO OXFORD COUNTY TALKS ABOUT
ACHIEVING RENEWABLE ENERGY BY
100 percent BY 2050, THEY'RE LOOKING TO
PLACES LIKE DRAYTON VALLEY WHERE
THEY HAVE ELECTRICITY GENERATED
FROM WOOD CHIPS.
SO THESE NETWORKS OF LEARNING
AND BUILDING CAPACITY ARE KEY TO
WHAT HAPPENS IN KITCHENER, WHAT
HAPPENS IN OAKVILLE, IS
STRENGTHENED BY WHAT OTHERS ARE
DOING AND OTHERS LEARN BY IT AND
ADVANCE THEIR OWN INTERESTS.

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Steve says MAYOR BERRY.

Berry says IN FACT THOSE NETWORKS APPLY
GLOBALLY AS WELL.
IF YOU LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE,
THIS PIECE OF LITERATURE, THE
SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS,
WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS NEEDED TO
KNOW WERE DEVELOPED BY A GLOBAL
ASSOCIATION AND IT PROVIDES THEM
WITH AN EASY HANDBOOK OF THE
KINDS OF THINGS THEY CAN TACKLE
AND HOW TO DO IT IN TERMS OF
ADDRESSING THESE GOALS.
BUT I THINK IT SPEAKS TO THE
BROADER ISSUE OF COLLABORATION.
PART OF THE ROLE FOR US AS
CITIES IS NOT ONLY COLLABORATION
AMONGST EACH OTHER BUT ALSO TO
CREATE THE ENVIRONMENT OF
COLLABORATION WITHIN OUR
COMMUNITIES, WORKING WITH THE
NOT-FOR-PROFIT SECTOR, THE
ACADEMIC INSTITUTIONS, THE
PRIVATE SECTOR AND OTHERS SO
THAT WE CAN TACKLE THESE
CHALLENGES JOINTLY.

Steve says OKAY.
BUT I'VE GOT TO ASK YOU A
QUESTION THAT SOME OF THE
SKEPTICS WATCHING RIGHT NOW
MIGHT WANT YOU TO ANSWER, WHICH IS...

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

Steve says DOES KITCHENER OWN ITS OWN
NATURAL GAS UTILITY?

Berry says WE DO.

Steve says THAT GENERATES WHAT
PERCENTAGE, DO YOU THINK, OF GHG
EMISSIONS...

Berry says STEVE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU,
I DON'T KNOW.

Steve says I'VE GOT IT HERE.
22 percent.
BUILDINGS GENERATE ABOUT 22 percent OF
ONTARIO'S GHG EMISSIONS
PRIMARILY FROM NATURAL GAS FOR
SPACE AND WATER HEATING.
MY QUESTION IS, CAN YOU GET TO
WHAT OXFORD COUNTY WANTS TO GET
TO BY 2050 AND STILL BE IN THE
NATURAL GAS BUSINESS?

Berry says IN FACT, WE JUST RECENTLY
SIGNED ON TO REDUCING OUR GHGs
AS A REGION BY 80 percent BY 2050,
WHICH IS SORT OF THE REQUIREMENT
THAT EVERYBODY IS SPEAKING TO
GLOBALLY, AND WE'RE RECOGNIZING
WE NEED TO MAKE THESE CHANGES
AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING
THINGS AS A CITY TO REDUCE OUR
GHGs.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE JUST RECENTLY
ENDED UP SWITCHING ALL OF OUR
STREETLIGHTS TO LEDs, REDUCING
GHGs AND USING THE MONEY
SAVINGS TO ACTUALLY CREATE A
CIVIC INNOVATION LAB WHICH WILL
IDENTIFY NEW THINGS THAT WE CAN
DO AS A COMMUNITY.

Steve says DOES THAT SUGGEST
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET OUT
OF THE NATURAL GAS BUSINESS AT
SOME POINT?

Berry says AT SOME POINT I THINK WE
RECOGNIZE THAT THAT WILL LIKELY HAPPEN.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS THE
OTHER DAY, IN FACT, AT COUNCIL
WHERE, I MEAN, 30 YEARS AGO,
MOST HOMES WERE STILL USING HOME
HEATING FUEL, WHICH WAS MUCH
WORSE THAN NATURAL GAS.
SO THERE WAS THAT TRANSITION.
I THINK WE'RE NOW MOVING TO THE
NEXT GENERATION.

Steve says LET'S TALK HOUSING HERE.
ONE OF THE TARGETS OF THE
SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOAL
NUMBER 11 IS: BY 2030, ENSURE
ACCESS FOR ALL TO ADEQUATE,
SAFE, AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND ANYBODY WATCHING THIS
PROGRAM RIGHT NOW IN THE 416, OR
MAYBE EVEN IN THE 905, AND OF
COURSE WE'RE ONLINE AS WELL, SO
THERE MAY BE SOME IN VANCOUVER
WATCHING AS WELL, THE NOTION OF
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS AREA
IS A JOKE.
IT'S JUST NOT ON.
DO YOU THINK IT WILL EVER BE THE
CASE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE
NUMBER ONE IN AFFORDABLE
HOUSING, MAYOR BURTON?

The caption changes to "Affordable housing for all?"

Rob says IF WE WORK AT IT, WE CAN.
THERE'S A TERRIBLE PROBLEM, IT'S
LIKE THE COOKING WITH CHEESE
PROBLEM.
WE ARE VERY, VERY ATTRACTIVE AND
THE ENTIRE WORLD WANTS TO LIVE
HERE AND THEY'RE FLOCKING HERE
AS FAST AS THEY CAN.
WE LITERALLY CAN'T BUILD HOUSES
FAST ENOUGH TO SERVE THEM ALL.
SO WE'VE GOT THAT.
THAT'S AN ECONOMIC OVERHANG.
BUT IN HALTON, 45 percent OF ALL
AFFORDABLE HOUSING... WE BUILD A
LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN
HALTON.
WE'RE REQUIRED TO BUILD
AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY THE
PROVINCE IN THE PLANNING ACT.
IN OAKVILLE... SO THE TARGET IS
30 percent.
45 percent OF NEW HOUSING IN OAKVILLE
IS AFFORDABLE, AND 69 percent OF ALL
NEW HOUSING OF ALL AFFORDABLE
HOUSING IN ALL OF HALTON IS
BUILT IN OAKVILLE.
I MENTION THAT BECAUSE WE OFTEN
GET TAGGED FOR BEING RICH.
WE DON'T OFTEN... PEOPLE DON'T
OFTEN REALIZE THAT WE'RE
ACTUALLY A FULLY FEATURED
COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE THE FULL RANGE.

Steve says HOW ABOUT HOUSING ELSEWHERE?
IN TORONTO.
WHAT ABOUT IT?
MY HUNCH IS THAT AMONGST THE
VAST MAJORITY OF MUNICIPALITIES
THAT YOU REPRESENT AT THE
FEDERATION, THIS IS NOT AN
ISSUE.
BUT IN A FEW, IT'S A MASSIVE
ISSUE.

Brock says ACTUALLY, IT'S AN ISSUE EVERYWHERE.

Steve says IS IT REALLY?

Brock says IT IS AN ISSUE EVERYWHERE AND
NOT JUST IN THE MID CITIES, THE
MEDIUM-SIZED CITIES AND THE
TOWNS.
THE HOUSING PROBLEM EXPRESSES
ITSELF DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT
LOCATIONS AND TORONTO STANDS OUT
ALONG WITH VANCOUVER AS JUST
HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE
EVERYBODY ELSE IN TERMS OF THE
MAGNITUDE OF THE PROBLEM.

Rob says WE CAUSED THIS PROBLEM WHEN
WE FLATTENED OUR TAX RATES.
WE'VE INCREASED INCOME POLARITY
SO MUCH WE'VE MADE IT BY
ECONOMICS MUCH HARDER FOR A HUGE
PART OF THE POPULATION TO EVER
BUY A HOME.

Steve says WHO IS WE?

Rob says WE, THE COUNTRY.
ALL OF US VOTERS.
EVER SINCE THE '80s WE'VE BEEN
VOTING FOR FLATTENING THE
PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAX TO THE
POINT IT'S HARDLY PROGRESSIVE AT
ALL.
THE INEVITABLE RESULT IS INCOME
POLARITY.
IF NO ONE CAN AFFORD TO BUY A
HOUSE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN
AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROBLEM.
IT'S RIDICULOUS TO DISCUSS
AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHOUT
TALKING ABOUT THE ABILITY TO BUY
HOUSES.

Steve says WELL, LET'S FOLLOW
UP ON THAT.
BECAUSE HERE IS... SHELDON, CAN
WE BRING THIS UP?
HERE'S A GRAPHIC FROM THE U.N.
SPECIAL REPORTER ON THE RIGHT TO
ADEQUATE HOUSING, LELLANI FARHA,
AND SHE WROTE THIS IN
THE GLOBE AND MAIL LAST YEAR...

A quote appears on screen, under the title "Housing is a human right, not a commodity." The quote reads "Housing is now predominantly valued as a commodity, traded and sold on markets, promoted and invested in as a secure place to park unprecedented amounts of excess capital. The view of housing as a human dwelling, a place to raise families and thrive within a community, has largely been eroded. Despite its firm place in international human rights law, housing has lost its currency as a human right."
Quoted from Lellani Farha, The Globe and Mail. April 15, 2017.

Steve says THAT'S FROM THE U.N.
SPECIAL REPORTER ON THE RIGHT
TO ADEQUATE HOUSING.

Rob says AND SHE'S RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW
WHAT? THE MAYORS OF THE GTAH IN
THE SUMMIT MEETINGS WITH THE
PREMIER.

Steve says EVERYBODY CALLS IT
THE GTA BUT YOU PUT THE H ON THE
END.

Rob says I TRY TO GIVE HAMILTON CREDIT.

Steve says OKAY, GOOD.

Rob says YOU HAVE TO LINK TO HAMILTON, DO YOU?

Steve says MAYBE A LITTLE.

Rob says MAYBE A LITTLE?
I'M PANDERING.
SO THE MAYORS WERE THE ENGINE
THAT DROVE THE PROVINCIAL
GOVERNMENT TO BRING IN THE
FOREIGN INVESTOR TAX TO TRY
TO... AND IT DID TAKE THE FROTH
OFF THE TOP OF THE MARKET.
WE'VE HAD... WE'VE HAD A VERY
GOOD EFFECT.
IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED IN
B.C.
BUT THERE WAS A RELUCTANCE TO DO
IT.
IT TOOK US A LONG TIME TO
PERSUADE THE GOVERNMENT TO DO
IT.
SO ON THE ONE HAND, GOOD FOR US.
WE HAVE A PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT
THAT'S RESPONSIVE AND THEY TOOK
A MEASURE THAT WORKED.
BUT THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM OF
INCOME DISPARITY I THINK IS
GOING TO CONTINUE TO BITE US
UNTIL WE DEAL WITH IT.

Steve says PATRICIA, HOUSING IS
A HUMAN RIGHT.
AT THE MOMENT, WE PERHAPS DON'T
THINK OF IT THAT WAY.
SHOULD WE?

Patricia says I WOULD
DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT.
HAVING WORKED IN HOUSING AROUND
THE WORLD, IN NAIROBI WHEN I WAS
LIVING THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE
POOREST PEOPLE OF THE CITY WERE
INVADING LAND AND THEY WERE
INVADING LAND IN INFORMAL
SETTLEMENTS.
THERE WAS NO WATER, THERE WAS NO
SANITATION.
THEY HAD IT BUILT POST THE
INVASION.
AS SOON AS PEOPLE HAD A FOOTHOLD
INTO THE CITY, INTO THE MARKET,
THEY STARTED TO IMPROVE THEIR
HOUSEHOLD WEALTH.
THEY STARTED TO SELL THINGS OUT
OF THE FRONT YARD.
THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, RENT OUT A
ROOM AFTER THEY BUILT THE SECOND
ROOM.
IT BUILT INCOME.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NICE TO SAY
HOUSING IS A HUMAN RIGHT, AND I
TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT, IT HAS
TO BE TEMPERED WITH THE REALITY
THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU
CAN GET A FOOTHOLD INTO THE
SYSTEM, THE POOREST FAMILIES OF
AFRICAN CITIES HAS MOVED THE
NEEDLE ON THEIR HOUSEHOLD
INCOME.
IT BUILDS INTERGENERATIONAL
WEALTH.
THEY LEAVE IT TO THEIR CHILDREN.
AND THEN THE NEXT GENERATION.
THOSE DYNAMICS AROUND THE
HOUSING MARKET, AND AS MAYOR
BURTON MENTIONED, THE PEOPLE
MOVING TO TORONTO AND TO
OAKVILLE AND TO KITCHENER, IT'S
BECAUSE WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE
QUALITY OF LIFE HERE.
AND I WOULD EVEN SUGGEST THAT WE
ARE STILL UNDERPRICED ON THE
GLOBAL MARKET FOR HOUSING.
THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE COMING
SIGHT UNSEEN AND BUYING FROM
DIFFERENT CITIES AROUND THE
WORLD BECAUSE THIS IS A REALLY
IMPORTANT INVESTMENT.

Steve says THE CAPITALIST
INSTINCT IS EVERYWHERE?

Patricia says IT IS.
AND IT EVEN EXISTS IN THE MOST
POOR HOUSEHOLD IN AFRICA.

Berry says STEVE, WHAT I WOULD ADD IS
THAT I THINK THE REALITY IS
PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY,
MUNICIPALITIES IN THIS COUNTRY,
HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING AROUND THE
NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR
A LONG TIME BECAUSE WE DO
RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS A RIGHT, IT
IS SOMETHING, AND ADAM VAUGHAN,
WHO HAS BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE,
AS YOU KNOW, IN TORONTO ON THIS
ISSUE.

Steve says MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT.

Berry says EXACTLY.
HAS SPOKEN OF THIS AND HAS BEEN
A REAL CHAMPION WORKING WITH FCM
AND CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN
DEVELOPING THAT NATIONAL HOUSING
STRATEGY.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE
11.2 BILLION PLUS THAT WAS
ALLOCATED IN THE FEDERAL BUDGET
IS GOING TO TAKE US A LONG WAY
TOWARDS WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
I MEAN, IN MY OWN REGION, WE'VE
GOT A WAITING LIST OF AROUND
3,000 FAMILIES.
QUITE FRANKLY, THAT'S
UNACCEPTABLE.
BUT WE CAN'T DO IT ALONE AS
MUNICIPALITIES.
WE NEED THE PARTNERSHIP OF OUR
PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL PARTNERS.

Brock says BERRY MAKES A REALLY
IMPORTANT POINT.
THE HOUSING QUESTION ISN'T ONLY
ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND
HOME OWNERSHIP.
IT'S A HUGE ISSUE IN THIS
COUNTRY.
TORONTO IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF
THE CHALLENGES OF THE INADEQUACY
OF THE SOCIAL HOUSING STOCK AND
THE AVAILABILITY OF RENTAL
HOUSING AT AN AFFORDABLE LEVEL,
RENT GEARED TO INCOME KIND OF
PROGRAMS.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AS BERRY
HAS SAID, HAS PUT A SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO A HOUSING
STRATEGY, IT'S UNPRECEDENTED IN
THIS COUNTRY.
IT'S MOVING THE NEEDLE.
BUT TO DEAL WITH THE HOUSING AS
IT LINKS TO THE SUSTAINABLE
DEVELOPMENT GOALS, NOT JUST GOAL
11 BUT THE GOALS ABOUT POVERTY,
EQUITY, ETC., SOCIAL HOUSING AND
INVESTING IN SOCIAL HOUSING,
REPAIRING EXISTING STOCK, ADDING
NEW SOCIAL HOUSING IS A CRITICAL
FEATURE FOR THIS COUNTRY.

Steve says AND A MULTI BILLION
DOLLAR PROBLEM.

Brock says AND WE, THE MUNICIPALITIES,
CAN'T DO IT ALONE.

Steve says PROBABLY HALF AN
HOUR AGO I MENTIONED MIKE
BLOOMBERG, THE FORMER MAYOR OF
NEW YORK CITY.
HE HAD THIS TO SAY.

A quote appears on screen, under the title "Cities get it done." The quote reads "We're the level of government closest to the majority of the world's people. While nations talk, but too often drag their heels, cities act."
Michael Bloomberg, as quoted on CityLab.com; June 13, 2012.

Steve continues HE SAID THIS IN 2012, SO WE'RE GOING BACK FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO.
NOW, HE SAID THAT, AS I SUGGEST,
IN 2012, LONG BEFORE DONALD
TRUMP AND THE RISE OF
ANTI-GLOBALIST SENTIMENTS THAT
PUT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE
UNITED NATIONS IN A LOT OF
PEOPLE'S CROSSHAIRS.
I GUESS THE QUESTION HERE IS: TO
WHAT EXTENT DOES THIS CHANGE THE
ROLE THAT CITIES NEED TO PLAY
WHEN IT COMES TO INTERNATIONAL
EFFORTS LIKE THESE SUSTAINABLE
DEVELOPMENT GOALS?

The caption changes to "The international role of cities."

Rob says I LIKE TO ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT
CITIES ARE THE BASIS... CITIES
ARE THE BASES WHERE POLITICAL
ACTION STARTS, AND WE HAVE A
POWER, WHEN WE SPEAK TOGETHER,
FCM AND THE ASSOCIATION OF
MUNICIPALITIES OF ONTARIO, WHEN
THEY WERE CREATED, WERE RADICAL,
REVOLUTIONARY ACTS.
THEY WERE FEARED BY THE NATIONAL
AND THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT THE
CITIES SPEAKING UP.
THEY WERE AFRAID OF WHAT WE
WOULD SAY.
THEY WERE AFRAID THAT WE WOULD
CALL THEM TO TASK AND MAKE THEM
DO THEIR JOBS.

Steve says AND IS THAT HAPPENING?

Rob says THE RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF,
BOTH FOR FCM AND AMO, AND THE
THEME OF YOUR SHOW IN THIS
BARELY SUBMERGED THEME OF YOUR
SHOW, AS YOU QUOTE MAYOR
BLOOMBERG IS, CITIES ACT.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE
PROGRESS WE'VE HAD IN OUR
COUNTRY COMES FROM THE CITY
LEVEL, AND NOT JUST NOW.
I MEAN, IF YOU GO BACK TO
SENATOR KROLL.

Steve says THE MAYOR OF
WINDSOR, THIS IS 80 YEARS AGO.

Rob says YES.
GREAT DEPRESSION.
THERE WAS A LAW THAT CITIES
COULDN'T DO WELFARE.
HE SAID I'D RATHER GO TO JAIL
THAN TO HAVE PEOPLE STARVE AND
HE GAVE WELFARE.

Steve says IN OUR LAST 30
SECONDS HERE, CAN I JUST ASK
YOU, IN A WORLD OF DONALD TRUMP
WITHDRAWING FROM INTERNATIONAL
AGREEMENTS, THAT KIND OF THING,
HOW MUCH IMPORTANCE... MORE
IMPORTANT IS IT FOR CITIES TO
GET IN THERE AND DO IT?

Berry says THE ROLE OF CITIES IS MORE
IMPORTANT THAN EVER.
IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK NOW IN THE
UNITED STATES WHERE THERE'S TALK
OF MOVING AWAY FROM COP 21 AND
THE PARIS AGREEMENT, IT'S
AMERICAN CITIES THAT ARE DRIVING
THAT AGENDA FORWARD.
GLOBALLY IT'S CITIES AND MAYORS
AROUND THE WORLD THAT ARE
DRIVING MANY OF THESE IMPORTANT
AGENDAS FORWARD.
THE UNITED NATIONS IS STARTING
TO RECOGNIZE THAT.
NATIONAL GOVERNMENTS ARE
STARTING TO RECOGNIZE THAT.
IN FACT, JUST LAST SEPTEMBER, WE
HAD A MEETING WITH THE
SECRETARY-GENERAL TO TALK ABOUT
HOW TO INCREASE THE ROLE OF
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AT THE UNITED
NATIONS. I THINK GOVERNMENTS ARE
LISTENING AND I THINK CHANGE IS
GOING TO HAPPEN.

The caption changes to "For more on the generation SDG Summit: tvo.org/wgsi."

Steve says AS GOOD HOSTS, WE'RE
GOING TO GIVE THE GUY WHO
TRAVELLED THE LONGEST TO GET
HERE THE LAST WORD.
YOU DID MOST OF IT ON A PLANE.
YOU DROVE ALL OF IT.
THAT'S BERRY VRBANOVIC, THE
MAYOR OF KITCHENER, ONTARIO,
BESIDE HIM BROCK CARLTON, THE
C.E.O. FROM THE FEDERATION OF
CANADIAN MUNICIPALITIES.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE,
ROB BURTON, THE MAYOR OF
OAKVILLE.
AND PATRICIA McCARNEY,
PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE
WORLD COUNCIL ON CITY DATA
ALSO WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF
TORONTO.
GREAT TO HAVE ALL FOUR OF YOU
AROUND THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT
SDG NUMBER 11 TONIGHT ON TVO.
THANK YOU.

The caption changes to "Producer: Eric Bombicino, @ebombicino."

All the guests thank Steve.

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