Transcript: Solving Climate Change: A Blueprint | Apr 23, 2018

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and striped red and pink tie.

A caption on screen reads "Solving climate change: a blueprint. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says AS WARNINGS ABOUT THE
RISKS OF A CHANGING CLIMATE
MOUNT - COMING FROM GOVERNMENTS,
ECONOMISTS AND, OF COURSE,
SCIENTISTS - THE URGENCY OF WHAT
TO DO ABOUT IT RISES AS WELL.
HOW CAN WE STOP IT, OR BETTER
YET, TURN BACK THE CLOCK ON IT?
KATHARINE WILKINSON GAVE THE
KEYNOTE ADDRESS AT THE OPENING
OF THE WATERLOO GLOBAL SCIENCE
INITIATIVE'S SUMMIT ON THE U.N.
SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS
AND OFFERED SOME HOPEFUL WORDS
ON THE FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE.
SHE IS A SENIOR WRITER AT THE
GLOBAL CLIMATE INITIATIVE
PROJECT DRAWDOWN, AND A
CONTRIBUTOR TO THE BOOK,
"DRAWDOWN: THE MOST
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVER PROPOSED
TO REVERSE GLOBAL WARMING."
AND KATHARINE WILKINSON JOINS US
NOW FOR MORE.

Katharine is in her thirties, with long straight brown hair. She's wearing a beige blazer.
A picture of the book appears briefly on screen. The cover is white, with the title in sky blue.

Steve continues SO NICE TO HAVE YOU ALL THE WAY
UP HERE FROM ATLANTA, GEORGIA.

Katharine says REALLY
NICE TO BE HERE.
THANKS FOR GETTING RID OF SOME
OF THE SNOW BEFORE I ARRIVED.

Steve says WE DID THAT JUST IN
TIME.
JUST THIS PAST WEEKEND.
JUST FOR YOU.
WHAT IS PROJECT DRAWDOWN.

The caption changes to "Katharine Wilkinson. Project Drawdown."
Then, it changes again to "Project Drawdown."

Katharine says PROJECT DRAWDOWN IS A
NON-PROFIT THAT IS BASED IN
SAUSALITO, CALIFORNIA, AND WE DO
SOME OF THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE
RESEARCH OF THE WORLD'S
LANDSCAPE OF CLIMATE SOLUTIONS.
WE'RE ALSO A BOOK, NEW YORK
TIMES BEST SELLER THAT CAME OUT
ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
BUT PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY,
DRAWDOWN LOWER CASE, STEVE,
MEANS, IN TERMS OF CLIMATE, THE
POINT IN TIME AT WHICH
GREENHOUSE GASES IN THE
ATMOSPHERE PEAK IN THEIR
QUANTITY AND THEN BEGIN TO
DECLINE ON A YEAR-TO-YEAR BASIS.
SO REALLY OUR WORK IS ABOUT
PUTTING FORWARD THIS IMPORTANT
GOAL FOR HUMANITY AND THE TOOLS
THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TOOLBOX TO
GET THERE.

Steve says WHEN IS THE DRAWDOWN MOMENT?

Katharine says WELL, WE HOPE IT'S SOONER
RATHER THAN LATER.
THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE SHOWS
WE CAN GET TO DRAWDOWN BEFORE
THE MIDDLE OF THE CENTURY.

Steve says IS THAT ENOUGH TIME?

Katharine says THESE ARE THE BIG QUESTIONS.
WE'RE HITTING SOME UNEXPECTED
IMPACTS, LIKE WE'VE SEEN THIS
WINTER IN THE ARCTIC, YOU KNOW,
WE'RE CONSTANTLY SORT OF
ASSESSING WHERE WE ARE VIS-A-VIS
WHAT MODELS PREDICTED.
IDEALLY WE GET TO DRAWDOWN
SOONER THAN 2050.

Steve says WE'VE ACTUALLY
TALKED TO A NUMBER OF CLIMATE
SCIENTISTS AND ACTIVISTS ON THIS
PROGRAM WHO ARE, NEVER MIND DOWN
ABOUT THINGS, THEY MAY ACTUALLY
BE CLINICALLY DEPRESSED ABOUT
THE WAY THINGS ARE IN THE WORLD
TODAY AND ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO
CONQUER THESE CHALLENGES.
ARE YOU?

Katharine says SO, IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT THE
SCIENCE OF WHERE WE ALREADY ARE
ON CLIMATE AND WHERE WE ARE
HEADED ON OUR CURRENT TRAJECTORY
AND NOT FEEL A SENSE OF DESPAIR.
I THINK IF YOU DON'T FEEL SOME
OF THAT, YOU'RE NOT PAYING
ATTENTION.
AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN YOU
IMMERSE IN THE WORLD THAT WE
WORK IN AT DRAWDOWN OF
COLLECTING HUMANITY'S WISDOM AND
THE SOLUTIONS, THE TECHNOLOGIES
AND PRACTICES THAT WE ALREADY
HAVE IN HAND, WE'RE ALREADY
USING, THAT CAN ADDRESS THE
MISSION, WELL, YOU GET A REAL
SENSE THAT THERE IS A BLUEPRINT
OF POSSIBILITY.
NOT BASED ON TECHNOLOGIES THAT
WE'LL HAVE SOME DAY MAYBE, BUT
THINGS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE,
THEY'RE ALREADY SCALING AT LEAST
IN SOME PLACES, AND INDEED
TAPPING INTO PRACTICES THAT MAY
BE ACTUALLY QUITE ANCIENT IN
SOME CASES, BUT BRINGING THOSE
FORWARD AT MUCH GREATER SCALE.

Steve says LET'S NOT OVER DO THIS.
DO YOU WANT ME TO CALL YOU AN
OPTIMIST?

The caption changes to "100 solutions."

Katharine says I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE
TERMS OPTIMISM, PESSIMISM, HOPE,
NOT HOPE.
I REALLY LIKE THE WORD
"POSSIBILITY."
BECAUSE I THINK AT THE END OF
THE DAY THIS IS A STORY THAT WE
COLLECTIVELY WILL WRITE AS HUMAN
BEINGS, AND SOMETIMES YOU WOULD
SAY, OH, DRAWDOWN IS SO HOPEFUL
AND OPTIMISTIC.
WELL, WE DIDN'T SET UP TO DO A
HOPE PROJECT OR OPTIMISM
PROJECT, WE SET OUT TO DO THE
MATH ON THE EXTANT SOLUTIONS
THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE
MISSION AND TO SEE WHERE THAT
COULD TAKE US.
THE NEWS IS PRETTY GOOD, AND WE
HAVE OTHER SOLUTIONS ON THE WAY.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS
IS REALLY A HUMAN STORY AND IT'S
A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH WE WILL
STEP INTO OUR OWN AGENCY TO
DELIVER ON THE BLUEPRINT OF
POSSIBILITY.

Steve says WELL, MATH INVOLVES
NUMBERS, AND I GUESS ONE OF THE
BIG NUMBERS IN DRAWDOWN IS THE
NUMBER 100.
BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT 100 SOLUTIONS
OUT THERE READY TO GO.
GIVE US ONE SOLUTION IN
PARTICULAR THAT YOU THINK IS
IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW THIS
EVENING.

Katharine says SO THE NUMBER 3 SOLUTION IS
REDUCING FOOD WASTE.
PROBABLY NOT ON MOST PEOPLE'S
GUESS OF WHAT A TOP 5 OR TOP 10
LIST TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE
LOOKS LIKE.
I THINK IT'S AN EXCITING
SOLUTION BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING
THAT ANYONE CAN IMPACT
IMMEDIATELY AND AT NO COST.
FOOD WASTE, ABOUT A THIRD OF THE
FOOD THAT WE PRODUCE AROUND THE
WORLD IS NOT CONSUMED.

Steve says AMAZING.

Katharine says AND IN REGIONS OF HIGH INCOME
LIKE OURS, THAT'S MOSTLY WASTE
BY CHOICE.
SO WE REJECT UGLY PRODUCE, WE
OVERSERVE, WE OVERBUY, WE
ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT OF AGENCY AS
INDIVIDUALS TO ADDRESS THAT
CHALLENGE.
IT'S ALSO PRETTY EASY FROM A
POLICY PERSPECTIVE.
SO IN FRANCE, FOR EXAMPLE,
GROCERY STORES CANNOT THROW AWAY
EDIBLE FOOD SO IT ENDS UP IN THE
HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE
TO SAVE MONEY.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS
ISSUES OF FOOD INSECURITY.
LOTS OF "WHENS" AS WELL AS
ADDRESSING THE MISSION.

Steve says WHERE IS
REFRIGERATION ON YOUR LIST?

The caption changes to "Katharine Wilkinson, @seriousdaring."

Katharine says REFRIGERATION, NOT SO SEXY,
BUT IT IS THE NUMBER ONE.
SO THE MONTREAL PROTOCOL, AS
FOLKS WILL REMEMBER, LED TO THE
PHASE-OUT OF CHLOROFLUOROCARBONS
WHICH WERE THE DOMINANT CHEMICAL
REFRIGERANT WE WERE USING IN
COOLING SYSTEMS, REFRIGERATORS,
ETC. HFCs CAME IN AS THE
DOMINANT REPLACEMENT CHEMICAL
FOR CFCs. GREAT ON THE ONE HAND
BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALMOST NO
NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE OZONE
LAYER, BUT THEY TURN OUT TO HAVE
HAVE A HEAT-TRAPPING POTENTIAL
A THOUSAND TIMES OR MORE AS
COMPARED TO CARBON DIOXIDE.
SO ADDRESSING ONE CHALLENGE,
INADVERTENTLY DRAMATICALLY
ADDING TO ANOTHER.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE WORLD
HAS ACTUALLY COME TO AN
AGREEMENT, BACK IN OCTOBER 2016,
TO AMEND THE MONTREAL PROTOCOL.
SO WE WILL BE PHASING OUT THE
USE OF HFCs OVER THE COMING
DECADE.

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Steve says TO BE REPLACED WITH WHAT?

Katharine says TO BE REPLACED WITH... THERE
ARE A WHOLE VARIETY OF SOLUTIONS
COMING INTO USE.
ACTUALLY CARBON DIOXIDE ITSELF
TURNS OUT TO BE A USEFUL
REFRIGERANT.
GAS, WATER, PROPANE... SOME
DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
IN THE MEANTIME, EVEN AS WE HEAD
TO PHASE-OUT OF HFCs, THESE
THINGS ARE EVERYWHERE, RIGHT?
EVERY KITCHEN.
EVERY OFFICE SPACE.
EVERY VEHICLE.
SO WE HAVE A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO
ADDRESS LEAKS AND ESPECIALLY
DISPOSAL BETWEEN NOW AND THE
TIME THAT HFCs ARE HISTORY.
WHAT OUR WORK SHOWS IS THAT WE
COULD AVOID ABOUT 90 GIGATONNES
OF CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENT IN
THOSE CHLORINATED GASES.

Steve says I DON'T KNOW WHAT A
GIGATONNE IS BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE
A LOT.

Katharine says IT'S A BILLION TONNES.
USUALLY WHEN I EXPLAIN THIS TO
AUDIENCES I USE AN IMAGE OF COWS
BECAUSE A COW WEIGHS ABOUT A
TONNE.
YOU CAN IMAGINE A GIGATONNE IS
ABOUT A BILLION COWS' WORTH.
IN THIS CASE WE'RE USUALLY
TALKING ABOUT CARBON DIOXIDE FOR
SORT OF A REFERENCE POINT, THE
WORLD DEVELOPED 36 GIGATONNES OF
CARBON DIOXIDE IN 2016, SO ABOUT
36 BILLION COWS.

Steve says SO THE UPSIDE OF
THIS IS ENORMOUS.

Katharine says THE UPSIDE IS ENORMOUS.
EXACTLY.

Steve says IN THE BOOK YOU HAVE
A SECTION ON CITIES AND BUILDING
WITH 14 SOLUTIONS.
AND I WONDER, WHAT IS ONE THAT
MAYORS AND CITIES AROUND THE
WORLD OUGHT TO BE DOING BUT ARE
NOT DOING YET?

Katharine says SO FROM THAT PARTICULAR
SECTOR, ONE THAT I JUST LOVE,
PARTIALLY BECAUSE IT'S
BEAUTIFUL, PARTIALLY BECAUSE
IT'S RELATIVELY SIMPLE, ARE
GREEN ROOFS AND COOL ROOFS WHICH
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
DRAMATICALLY CUT ENERGY USE IN
THE TOP FLOORS OF BUILDINGS.
GREEN ROOFS ALSO ARE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO ADD GREENSPACE IN
URBAN AREAS WHERE THERE MAY NOT
BE A LOT OF IT OR A LOT OF
OPPORTUNITY FOR IT AT GROUND
LEVEL BUT YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT
COULD HAPPEN IN TERMS OF
LIVEABILITY AND BEAUTY IF WE
HAVE MORE GREEN ROOFS ON TOP OF
OUR BUILDINGS.

Steve says WHEN YOU SAY GREEN
ROOFS, YOU MEAN COLOURED GREEN?

Katharine says GOOD QUESTION.
GREEN ROOFS ARE LITERALLY LIVING
ROOFS.
SO THEY ARE ROOFS THAT HAVE...
MAYBE IT'S AS SIMPLE AS A THIN
LAYER OF SOIL AND GRASSES BUT
THEY CAN ALSO BE... THEY CAN BE
FOOD GARDENS, THEY CAN BE MORE
PARK-LIKE IN THEIR DESIGN AND
EXECUTION.
COOL ROOFS ARE LIGHT-COLOURED
ROOFS THAT HAVE THE BENEFIT OF
REFLECTING SUNLIGHT BACK AWAY
FROM A BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO
DARK-COLOURED ROOFS WHICH ARE
ABSORBING IT.
PROBABLY IN CANADA, GREEN ROOFS
ARE A BETTER MOVE BECAUSE
THEY'RE GOING TO BE BETTER FOR
INSULATION.
YOU MAY WANT SOME OF THAT
SUNLIGHT REACHING THE ROOFTOP IN
WINTER.

Steve says THAT DOESN'T SOUND
THAT COMPLICATED.
I MEAN, PRESUMABLY, LIKE A
BY-LAW CHANGE AT CITY HALL, GETS
THAT DONE.

Katharine says YES.
PRETTY SIMPLE.
AND COOL ROOFS, PARTICULARLY IN
HOTTER CLIMATES, REALLY OBVIOUS
SOLUTIONS.
I ALSO THINK MAYORS SHOULD BE
THINKING MORE ABOUT FOOD
SYSTEMS, RIGHT?
WE THINK A LOT ABOUT
INFRASTRUCTURE IN CITIES, BUT
EVERYONE IN CITIES IS EATING,
RIGHT?
AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
CITIES AND THE AGRICULTURAL
SYSTEMS THAT SUPPORT THE PEOPLE
WHO LIVE IN CITIES ARE REALLY
IMPORTANT.
I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF MUNICIPAL
COMPOSTING SOLUTIONS, SO IN
SAN FRANCISCO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR
TRASH GETS PICKED UP, YOUR
RECYCLING GETS PICKED UP, BUT
ALSO YOUR COMPOST GETS PICKED
UP.
AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW
TO INTEGRATE THAT INTO CITIES
WHERE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE
LIVING IN CONDOS AND THESE SORTS
OF LIVING ARRANGEMENTS.

Steve says MY HUNCH IS PEOPLE
WOULD LOOK AT THE BOOK AND THEY
WOULD SAY, OKAY, ENERGY AND
FOOD.
I GET THAT CHAPTER.
TRANSPORTATION IN CITIES.
I GET THAT CHAPTER.
CITIES AND BUILDINGS, ETC.
THERE'S A CHAPTER ON WOMEN AND
GIRLS.

Katharine says YES.

Steve says WHY IS THAT THERE?

Katharine says WHY IS THAT THERE?
OBVIOUSLY ALL OF THE SOLUTIONS
IN "DRAWDOWN" ARE RELATIVE TO
WOMEN AND GIRLS.
AND SOME LIKE CLEAN COOK STOVES
WILL HAVE A DISPROPORTIONATE
BENEFIT FOR WOMEN AND GIRLS WHO
BEAR THE DETRIMENTAL HEALTH
EFFECTS OF DIRTY COOK STOVES.
BUT THIS ONE SECTION THAT WE
ACTUALLY CALL "WOMEN AND GIRLS."
IS FOCUSED ON THREE SOLUTIONS
THAT LOOK AT THE SECURING OR
ADVANCING OF KEY RIGHTS AND
OPPORTUNITIES FOR WOMEN AND
GIRLS THAT HAPPEN TO HAVE
PLANETARY RIPPLE EFFECTS.
SO THE NUMBER 6 AND NUMBER 7
SOLUTIONS ARE VERY MUCH TIED
TOGETHER: EDUCATING GIRLS, WHICH
IS CLOSING THE GAP ON UNIVERSAL
EDUCATION THROUGH SECONDARY
SCHOOL AND FAMILY PLANNING,
WHICH IS ABOUT ENSURING THAT
WOMEN HAVE ACCESS TO HIGH
QUALITY VOLUNTARY REPRODUCTIVE
HEALTH CARE.

Steve says I GET WHY THOSE ARE
ALL URGENT PROBLEMS.

Katharine says YES.

Steve says WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO
DO WITH CLIMATE CHANGE?

Katharine says WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO WITH
CLIMATE CHANGE?
IT TURNS OUT WITH MORE YEARS OF
EDUCATION, WOMEN CHOOSE TO HAVE
SMALLER FAMILIES.
WE'VE SEEN THIS STORY UNFOLD IN
NORTH AMERICA.
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SMALLER
FAMILY, YOU NEED SOME WAY TO
MANAGE THE SIZE AND SPACING OF
YOUR CHILDREN, AND SO
CONTRACEPTION AND ACCESS TO
REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE BECOMES
REALLY IMPORTANT.
IF YOU PLAY OUT THOSE CHOICES
ACROSS THE GLOBE, THEY WILL HAVE
EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER WE
LAND AT THE UNITED NATIONS'
MEDIUM PROJECTION FOR OUR
POPULATION SIZE AT MID-CENTURY
OR THE HIGH PROJECTION.
IF YOU HAVE A BILLION OR SO
FEWER PAIRS OF FEET MAKING THEIR
CARBON FOOTPRINT, THAT ADDS UP
AND THAT'S WHY THEY MAKE IT INTO
THE BOOK.
BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THEY
ARE SOLUTIONS THAT BEGIN AND END
WITH RIGHTS, THAT WE SHOULD BE
PURSUING ON THEIR OWN ACCORD AND
THEY JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE THIS
ADDITIONAL BENEFIT.

Steve says UNDERSTOOD.
YOU TALKED TO US ABOUT SMARTER
BUILDINGS.
HOW ABOUT SMARTER HIGHWAYS?
WHAT DOES THAT INVOLVE?

The caption changes to "Innovative and new."

Katharine says SMARTER HIGHWAYS.
I LIVE IN ATLANTA.
IF YOU CAN BELIEVE IT, THE SORT
OF LABORATORY FOR THE FUTURE OF
HIGHWAYS AND MAKING HIGHWAYS
SUSTAINABLE, RIGHT, THAT SEEMS
LIKE AN OXYMORON, IS HAPPENING
SOUTH OF OUR CITY.
IT'S CALLED THE RAY.
AND THEY'VE TAKEN AN 18-MILE
STRETCH OF HIGHWAY AND THEY ARE
TESTING ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT
OPPORTUNITIES TO TURN WHAT MAY
BE ONE OF THE DIRTIEST ASPECTS
OF OUR HUMAN INFRASTRUCTURE INTO
SOMETHING POSITIVE, INTO
SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY ADVANCES
US TOWARDS DRAWDOWN.
SO THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM ROADS
THAT ARE ACTUALLY SOLAR
PANELS... SO YOU THINK ABOUT ALL
OF THE SPACE THAT ASPHALT TAKES
UP.
GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SUN'S
RAYS TO BE CAPTURED.

Steve says HANG ON.

Katharine says GENERATE ELECTRICITY.

Steve says NOT MADE OUT OF
CONCRETE OR CEMENT.

Katharine says MADE OUT OF SOLAR PANELS.

Steve says COOL.

Katharine says THERE'S A FRENCH COMPANY
CALLED WATTWAY, THERE'S A COOL
PHOTO IN THE BOOK AND OUR
WEBSITE, A SENSE OF WHAT THIS
LOOKS LIKE.
THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE
OPPORTUNITY THAT COMES WITH THE
AREAS OF LAND ON THE SIDES OF
THE ROAD ITSELF, RIGHT?
COULD THAT ACTUALLY BE USED FOR
REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURE, FOR
EXAMPLE?
COULD YOU HAVE... COULD YOU HAVE
OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ADVANCING
CARBON SEQUESTRATION IN SOIL
ALONG OUR ROADS AS WELL?
IS SO THEY'RE DOING ALL SORTS OF
INTERESTING THINGS.

Steve says A COUPLE MINUTES TO
GO HERE AND I WANT TO ACTUALLY
SHARE A DIRTY LITTLE SECRET WITH
YOU HERE.

Katharine says OKAY.

Steve says WHICH IS THAT WHEN
WE COVER CLIMATE CHANGE ON THIS
PROGRAM, OUR RATINGS GO DOWN.

Katharine says YES.

Steve says NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE
PUBLIC TELEVISION, WE CAN AFFORD
TO HAVE LOW RATINGS EVERY NOW
AND AGAIN TO COVER SUBJECTS THAT
WE THINK ARE IMPORTANT, BUT THE
REALITY IS, THERE IS A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF DOOM AND GLOOM THAT
PEOPLE HAVE JUST APPARENTLY
SAID, ENOUGH ALREADY.
WE CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE OF THIS.
HOW DO YOU GET PEOPLE TO LISTEN
TO THIS MESSAGE?

The caption changes to "A new form of denial?"

Katharine says YEAH.
SO I SEE THE FACES OF SOME OF
THOSE FOLKS WHEN I STAND UP TO
GIVE TALKS, RIGHT?
YOU CAN SORT OF SEE,
PARTICULARLY MAYBE STUDENTS WHO
HAVE BEEN CAJOLED INTO
ATTENDANCE, IT'S LIKE, "OH, NO,
NOT ANOTHER ONE OF THESE."
NO, I THINK THE SORT OF DOMINANT
NARRATIVE ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE
HAS BEEN REALLY DISEMPOWERING.
IT HAS BEEN SORT OF THE SCIENCE
CALLS THIS AS BAD, THAT IT'S
GOING TO GET REALLY BAD, THAT
WE'RE HEADING TOWARDS A
POTENTIALLY UNLIVEABLE PLANET,
NOT TOO WELL EQUIPPED AS A
SPECIES TO CHANGE IT.
SO CHANGE YOUR LIGHT BULBS AND
CROSS YOUR FINGERS THAT THE
POWERS THAT BE IN THE HALLS OF
POWER OR GENIUSES IN SILICON
VALLEY WILL SORT THIS OUT.
WELL, IT'S VERY HARD TO FACE
THIS KIND OF DRAMATIC
EXISTENTIAL THREAT AND FEEL LIKE
YOU HAVE NO AGENCY.
AND WHAT I THINK IS SO POWERFUL
ABOUT OUR WORK AT DRAWDOWN IS
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS WHOLE
MOSAIC OF CLIMATE SOLUTIONS IT
BECOMES CLEAR THERE ARE FOOT
HOLDS OF ACTION FOR EVERY SINGLE
INDIVIDUAL AND EVERY SINGLE
INSTITUTION ON THE PLANET AND I
THINK THAT'S INCREDIBLY
IMPORTANT.
IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S NOTHING
YOU CAN DO, YOU'LL WANT TO CLOSE
YOUR EYES AND EARS AND THE
RATINGS ARE GOING TO DROP.
AND I THINK THAT WHEN WE COME IN
THROUGH THE LENS OF SOLUTIONS,
WE ALSO START TO SEE THE MANY
POSITIVE AND NEARER-TERM
BENEFITS OF PURSUING THESE
TECHNOLOGIES AND PRACTICES THAT
MAY GIVE PEOPLE A REASON TO DIG
IN THAT A LONG-TERM EXISTENTIAL
THREAT DOESN'T DO FOR THEM.

Steve says YOU, I PRESUME, IN
YOUR TRAVELS RUN INTO PEOPLE WHO
FACTUALLY OPPOSE THE NOTION THAT
THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING.
BUT THEN THERE IS ALSO THIS
NOTION OF AN EMOTIONAL DENIAL OF
CLIMATE CHANGE AS WELL.

Katharine says YEAH.

Steve says WHICH DO YOU THINK
IS MORE DANGEROUS?

Katharine says SO I THINK... ANYTHING THAT
TAKES YOU OUT OF THE GAME IS
DANGEROUS.
WE NEED EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL
AND EVERY SINGLE INSTITUTION
PULLING TOGETHER ON THIS ONE.

Steve says ALL HANDS ON DECK.

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Katharine says ALL HANDS ON DECK.
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN MORE OF A
SENSE OF, WE'RE ALL IN THIS
TOGETHER, RIGHT, FOR BETTER OR
FOR WORSE, AND I THINK, YEAH,
ANYTHING THAT HAS YOU SITTING ON
THE SIDELINES, THAT'S NOT A
GREAT SITUATION.
BUT IF YOU KNOW THIS IS A
CHALLENGE AND YOU, FOR SOME
REASON, ARE NOT KIND OF
EMOTIONALLY ENGAGED, IT MAY BE
BECAUSE YOU'RE COMING AT IT FROM
THE LENS OF THE PROBLEM
STATEMENT INSTEAD OF THE LENS OF
THE SOLUTIONS AND I WOULD
ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, IF THEY KNOW
THIS IS A PROBLEM BUT HAVEN'T
GOTTEN INVOLVED TO LOOK AT OUR
WEBSITE, FLIP THROUGH THE BOOK,
THINK OF IT AS A CHOOSE YOUR OWN
ADVENTURE STORY, RIGHT?
SO LET'S HEAR... THERE'S SO MUCH
GOOD WORK TO DO.
BUT WHAT'S HERE THAT YOU'RE
PARTICULARLY EXCITED ABOUT, THAT
YOU HAVE SOME FIRE IN THE BELLY
FOR AND DIG IN THERE.

Steve says THERE'S ONLY 100
IDEAS TO CHOOSE FROM.

Katharine says ONLY A HUNDRED.
I KNOW. PRETTY SLIM PICKINGS.

The caption changes to "Producer: Eric Bomcicino, @ebombicino."

Steve says GOT TO BE SOMETHING
THERE FOR EVERYBODY.
THAT'S KATHARINE WILKINSON,
SENIOR WRITER FOR PROJECT
DRAWDOWN AND WE'RE SO GRATEFUL
THAT YOU SPARED SOME TIME FOR US
AT TVO TONIGHT. THANK YOU.

Katharine says TOTALLY MY PLEASURE.

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