Transcript: Ontario Trades Training | Apr 12, 2018

Nam sits in the studio of “The Agenda.”

Nam is in her forties, with mid-length curly brown hair and wears glasses, a blue top and a blue blazer.

A caption reads “Ontario trades training.”

The caption changes to “Nam Kiwanuka. Twitter: @namshine, @theagenda.”

Nam says FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TRYING
TO FIND THEIR WAY IN THE WORLD,
SIMPLY KNOWING WHAT THEIR
OPTIONS ARE CAN BE HALF THE
BATTLE.
AND WHILE MANY WILL LOOK AT
UNIVERSITY OR COLLEGE STRAIGHT
OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL, THAT DOESN'T
APPEAL TO EVERYONE.
IT ALSO DOESN'T PAINT A FULL
PICTURE OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN
TERMS OF POST-SECONDARY
EDUCATION.
JOINING US NOW TO TALK ABOUT
PROGRAMS THAT GET YOUNG PEOPLE
INTO ON-THE-JOB TRAINING IN A
TRADE:
QUOC TRUONG, BUSINESS
REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CENTRAL
ONTARIO BUILDING TRADES, AND A
GRADUATE OF THE HAMMER HEADS, AN
EMPLOYMENT-BASED TRAINING
PROGRAM;

Quoc is in his thirties, with short wavy brown hair and clean-shaven. He wears an orange, blue and white gingham shirt and a blue blazer.

Nam says AND ROBERT BRONK, CEO OF THE
ONTARIO CONSTRUCTION SECRETARIAT
AND ORGANIZER OF THE FUTURE
BUILDING SYMPOSIUM FOR YOUTH
FROM ACROSS THE PROVINCE.

Robert is in his fifties, clean-shaven and with short straight white hair. He wears a blue suit, a gray shirt, a black tie, and a Canadian flag pin on his left lapel.

Nam says WELCOME TO YOU BOTH.

They say THANK YOU.

The caption changes to “Ontario trades training. Hands-on learning.”

Nam says YOU HAD A BUSY WEEK.
YOU'VE BEEN IN MISSISSAUGA FOR
THE FUTURE BUILDING SYMPOSIUM,
AND YOU'VE BEEN SURROUNDED BY
STUDENTS FROM ONTARIO BETWEEN
GRADES 7 TO 12.
WHAT HAPPENED, ROBERT, THIS
WEEK?

The caption changes to “Robert Bronk. Ontario Construction Secretariat.”

Clips show images of young people at the event.

Robert says WELL, FUTURE
BUILDING IS A HIGHLY INTERACTIVE
EVENT.
SO WHAT WE HAVE IS APPROXIMATELY
30 EXHIBITORS AND MANY OF THE
TRADES ARE REPRESENTED, SO KIDS
COME, THEY GET TO TRY VARIOUS
DIFFERENT SCHOOL TRADES.
WE HAVE VIRTUAL REALITY
EQUIPMENT.
WE HAVE HANDS-ON EQUIPMENT.
THERE'S APPRENTICES THERE, SO
THEY CAN INTERACT WITH
APPRENTICES, DISCOVER WHAT IT'S
LIKE TO BE IN THAT TRADE.
SO THEY GET A REAL GOOD TASTE
AND FEEL OF WHAT THE TRADES ARE.

Nam says WHY DO YOU WANT
STUDENTS BETWEEN GRADES 7 AND 12
TO BE EXPOSED TO A SYMPOSIUM
LIKE THIS?

Robert says BECAUSE OUR ECONOMY DEPENDS
ON IT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE SO MANY
WORKERS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
86,000 ARE PROJECTED TO BE
RETIRING.
WE NEED TO PUT NEW WORKERS INTO
THE SYSTEM.
THEY NEED TO SEE WHAT THE
OPTIONS ARE.
AND THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY
FOR THEM TO SEE THAT.
THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO NEED
THESE PEOPLE TO BUILD ALL THE
INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, TO
BUILD PLACES TO LIVE, PLACES TO
WORK, MEANS TO GET TO WORK.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF
JOBS COMING UP IN THE FUTURE.

Nam says IS THAT WHY YOU
FOCUSED ON GRADES 7 TO 12?

Robert says YES.
IN MANY CASES THEY NEED TO KNOW
AT AN EARLIER AGE WHAT
PREREQUISITES THEY NEED TO HAVE
TO GET INTO A PARTICULAR TRADE.
THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT BY GRADE
9.
IN GRADE 9 IF THEY NEED TO TAKE
SPECIAL COURSES IN SCHOOL TO DO
THAT.

Nam says QUOC, YOU ARE PART OF
THE SYMPOSIUM.
ONE OF THE EXHIBITORS IS HAMMER
HEAD.
YOU'VE BEEN WITH THEM FOR SIX
YEARS AND HOW YOU STARTED YOUR
CAREER.
WHAT IS IT?

The caption changes to “Quoc Truong. Hammer Heads.”

Quoc says IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE BOOT
CAMP STYLE PROGRAM GET INNER
CITY YOUTH GET IN CONSTRUCTION.
YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO GET INTO THE
DOORS --

Nam says HOW DID YOU GET
INVOLVED WITH IT?

Quoc says I'VE NEVER (INDISCERNIBLE) IN
MY WHOLE LIFE.
I WAS WORKING ODD JOBS HERE AND
THERE AND SICK AND TIRED OF
FINDING DIFFERENT JOBS AND NOT
HAVING A CAREER, AND SO I TOOK A
LEAP OF FAITH AND I APPLIED TO
THE HAMMER HEAD PROGRAM AND MY
LIFE HAS CHANGED EVER SINCE.

Nam says WHAT HAPPENED?
HOW DID IT CHANGE?

Quoc says SO I WAKE UP EVERY MORNING
WITH A CAREER.
I HAVE A CAREER WITH A GOOD
PENSION AND BENEFITS.
NOT ONLY THAT, I HAVE A SKILLED
TRADE IN MY REPERTOIRE.
I'M A CERTIFIED STEAMFITTER BY
TRADE.

Nam says AND YOU WENT TO
COLLEGE, RIGHT?

Quoc says CORRECT.

Nam says BUT COLLEGE DIDN'T
WORK FOR YOU.

Quoc says I WENT TO COLLEGE FOR SOCIAL
WORK.
THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT FOR ME.
I WAS A COLLEGE DROPOUT.
BUT NOW, YOU KNOW, HAMMER HEAD
GIVES ME THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE
I'M THE --

Nam says YOU'RE MENTORING
PEOPLE NOW TOO, RIGHT?

Quoc says CORRECT.

Nam says IT KIND OF WENT FULL
CIRCLE IN A WAY.

Quoc says IT'S REWARDING.
YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE
BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S
MY PASSION, TO BE ABLE TO GIVE
BACK AND WORK WITH THE KIDS NOW.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE PROGRAM,
I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE STRUGGLES,
I SAW WHAT THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH.
NOW TO GIVE BACK, IT'S
OVERWHELMING.
THAT'S WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING
NOW.

Nam says WHAT AGE GROUP?

Quoc says 18 TO 26.

Nam says WHY THAT AGE GROUP?

Quoc says I THINK A LOT OF THAT AGE
GROUP IS WHEN YOU'VE TRIED THE
SCHOOL ROUTE AND YOU TRIED
DIFFERENT AREAS OF LIFE AND YOU
HAVE THAT LIFE EXPERIENCE AND
YOU NEED TO START HAMMERING DOWN
AND TRYING TO FIND THAT CAREER
AND FIND SOMETHING TO DO FOR THE
REST OF YOUR LIFE.
AND A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW,
KIDS IN THAT AGE BRACKET ARE
LOST AND THEY'RE TRYING TO
FIGURE THEMSELVES OUT, TRYING
TO, YOU KNOW, GROWING UP, YOU
HAVE PARENTS AND MENTORS AND
SAYING YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE
UNIVERSITY ROUTE OR COLLEGE
ROUTE AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T
WORK OUT FOR EVERYONE.
AND CONSTRUCTION IS NOT, YOU
KNOW, IS ANOTHER VALUABLE OPTION
FOR THEM.

Nam says WE'VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT TRADES.
LET'S TALK ABOUT WHICH TRADES
ARE VIABLE.
THE ONTARIO COLLEGE OF TRADES,
WHICH REGULATES THE INDUSTRY IN
THE PROVINCE, LISTS 150
DIFFERENT TRADES, AND ACCORDING
TO THE ONTARIO COLLEGE OF
TRADES, THE TOP FIVE ARE
ELECTRICIAN AND CONSTRUCTION AND
MAINTENANCE, AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE
TECHNICIAN, TRUCK AND COACH
TECHNICIAN, PLUMBER,
REFRIGERATION AND
AIR-CONDITIONING SYSTEMS
MECHANIC.
ROBERT, HOW MUCH MONEY CAN
WORKING IN THESE TRADES EARN A
PERSON ON AVERAGE?

The caption changes to “Ontario trades training. State of the industry.”

Robert says IN THE ICI
SECTOR, WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL,
COMMERCIAL, AND INSTITUTIONAL, A
JOURNEY PERSON WHO HAS WRITTEN
THEIR TEST --

Nam says JOURNEYPERSON?
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

Robert says THEY'VE WRITTEN THEIR RED
SEAL.
THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF HAVING
UNIVERSITY DEGREE OR COLLEGE
DIPLOMA.
WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR CFQ, THAT'S
RECOGNIZED ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SO YOU CAN WORK IN MANITOBA,
ALBERTA, ONCE YOU HAVE THAT
DESIGNATION, IT'S ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
SO YOU HAVE MOBILITY.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR CFQ AND
YOU'RE A JOURNEYPERSON, THE
RANGES ARE FROM APPROXIMATELY
75,000 TO 100,000 DOLLARS IN THE UNION
SECTOR, AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE
PENSION AND BENEFITS, AND IT
ALSO DOESN'T INCLUDE OVERTIME.
SO IF YOU WANT TO WORK MORE, YOU
CAN ACTUALLY MAKE MORE THAN
THAT.
IT CAN BE VERY LUCRATIVE IF YOU
WANT IT TO BE.

Nam says HOW ABOUT YOU IN YOUR
SECTOR, QUOC?

Quoc says I'M A
CERTIFIED STEAMFITTER.
YOU HAVE 9,000 HOURS AND BASIC,
INTERMEDIATE, AND ADVANCED.
AFTER THAT YOU HAVE TO WRITE
YOUR CFQ TO GET YOUR RED SEAL.

Nam says AND SALARY?

Quoc says YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT THE
SAME, ROUGHLY 75,000 TO
100,000 DOLLARS TO START, YEAH.

Nam says THERE SEEMS TO BE A
BIT OF A SHORTAGE OF WOMEN IN
THE TRADES, AND ACCORDING TO THE
COLLEGE THAT I'VE BEEN REFERRING
TO, THE ONTARIO COLLEGE OF
TRADES, ONLY 13 percent OF ITS MEMBERS
ARE WOMEN.
NOW, EARLIER IN THE HOUR, WE
SHOWED AN INITIATIVE OUT IN
HAMILTON THAT'S TRYING TO CHANGE
THAT BY OFFERING FREE
FEMALE-ONLY CONSTRUCTION
COURSES.
WHAT ELSE COULD SCHOOLS OR THE
INDUSTRY DO TO BRING IN MORE
WOMEN INTO THE INDUSTRY, ROBERT?

The caption changes to “Ontario trades training. Female workers wanted.”

Robert says WELL, I THINK
THE INDUSTRY IS ALREADY STARTING
IN THAT DIRECTION.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING A WHOLE LOT
OF PUBLICITY OVER IT.
THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT HAS
BEEN SPONSORING
PRE-APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS, AND
IN MY PREVIOUS ROLE AS EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE FACILITY AT THE
PAINTERS UNION, WE PARTNERED
WITH THE YWCA OVER THREE YEARS.
WE TRAINED EXCLUSIVELY WOMEN
PRE-APPRENTICES.
THAT WAS A FREE PROGRAM.
NOW THEY'RE PARTNERING WITH A
COUPLE OF OTHER TRADES.
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
PRE-APPRENTICESHIPS AVAILABLE FOR
WOMEN, AND THEY'RE FREE.

Nam says WHEN YOU'RE TAKING AN
APPRENTICESHIP, ARE YOU PAID?

Robert says THE PRE-APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM
IS APPROXIMATELY HALF A YEAR.
THEY START OFF WITH LIFE SKILLS,
HOW TO WRITE A RESUME, HOW TO DO
A JOB INTERVIEW, AND IF THERE'S
ANY DEFICIENCIES IN MATH, THOSE
THINGS ARE IMPROVED ON.
THEN THEY GO TO THE TRAINING
CENTRE.
THEN THEY'RE GIVING ALL THE
RECORDS OF TRAINING FOR ALL THE
HEALTH AND SAFETY -- THEY'RE
CALLED TICKETS THAT YOU NEED.
FOR EXAMPLE, WORKING AT HEIGHTS,
THEY LEARN HOW TO USE A SCISSOR
LIFT OR SWING STAGE, WHATEVER
TRADE-SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT.
THEY'RE TAUGHT HOW TO USE THAT,
AND THEN THEY ARE GIVEN THE TEST
SO THEY HAVE THAT RECORD OF
TRAINING SO THE MINISTRY OF
LABOUR IS SATISFIED.
THEN THEY'RE ALSO PUT THROUGH
THE 8-WEEK BASIC LEVEL
APPRENTICESHIP.
SO THEN THEY GET THAT TRAINING
RECOGNIZED AS WELL.
THEN THEY ALSO GET SOME HANDS-ON
TRAINING.
AND THEN THEY GET AN 8-WEEK
CO-OP PROGRAM, WHICH IS PAID.
SO WHEN THEY'RE FINISHED,
THEY'RE ALSO GIVEN APPROXIMATELY
500 DOLLARS WORTH OF TOOLS.
SO THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE KNOWN
ANYTHING ABOUT THAT TRADE ON DAY
ONE, AND AFTER ABOUT 26, 28
WEEKS, THEY COME OUT WITH ALL
THE TOOLS, BASIC LEVEL
APPRENTICESHIP, HANDS-ON
EXPERIENCE, AND AN 8-WEEK CO-OP.
SO THEY'RE HIGHLY EMPLOYABLE AT
THAT POINT.
IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

The caption changes to “TVO.org/theagenda.”

Nam says WHAT HIGH SCHOOL
TRAINING DO THEY NEED TO GET
INTO THE TRADE?

Robert says IT DEPENDS.
IT CAN RANGE FROM GRADE 10 TO
GRADE 12.

Nam says DEPENDING --

Robert says DEPENDING ON THE TRADE, YES.

Nam says DO YOU THINK THAT ALL
TRADES SHOULD REQUIRE STUDENTS
TO HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA SO
THEY DON'T GET ENTICED INTO
DROPPING OUT EARLY?

Robert says IT DEPENDS -- AGAIN, IT
DEPENDS ON THE TRADE.
IT REALLY IS -- THERE'S
APPROXIMATELY 26 TRADES IN THE
ICI SECTOR.
SO THERE'S VARYING DEGREES OF
SOPHISTICATION IN TERMS OF WHAT
EQUIPMENT IS BEING USED.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE OF COURSE
ELECTRICIANS, BUT THEN YOU MIGHT
HAVE A GENERAL LABOURER.
THE SOPHISTICATION IS DIFFERENT.

Nam says SO IT'S GRADE 10 OR
12, RIGHT?

Robert says YOU CAN'T MAKE A
GENERALIZATION.

Quoc says IT SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF
GRADE 10.

Robert says IT IS A MINIMUM OF GRADE 10.

Nam says WHAT SHOULD THEY FOCUS
ON?

Quoc says MATH AND SCIENCES.

Robert says MATH AND LITERACY.
BEING ABLE TO READ.

Nam says WHY?

Robert says BEING ABLE TO READ A MANUAL,
IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING
EQUIPMENT, BEING ABLE TO READ
THE MANUAL OR READING, FOR
EXAMPLE, HEALTH AND SAFETY
ISSUES.
YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO READ, IF
YOU'RE GOING TO BE EXPOSED TO
TOXIC MATERIALS, YOU HAVE TO BE
ABLE TO READ THAT MATERIAL DATA
SHEET TO SEE WHAT TO AVOID, WHAT
PERSONAL PROTECTION EQUIPMENT
YOU NEED, WHAT TO DO IF AN
ACCIDENT HAPPENS.
SO THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME --
THEY NEED TO BE LITERATE TO THAT
EXTENT.

Nam says AND WHY MATH?

The caption changes to “Quoc Truong. Central Ontario Building Trades.”

Quoc says CONSTRUCTION
REQUIRES MATH EVERY DAY ON THE
JOB, RIGHT?
I WORK ON THE JOB SITE DOING
TRIGONOMETRY EVERY DAY AS A
STEAMFITTER.
IN HIGH SCHOOL I WAS LIKE, MAN,
I WISH I PAID MORE ATTENTION TO
TRIGONOMETRY IN HIGH SCHOOL.
SO, YOU KNOW, I GOT -- YOU KNOW,
YOU CAN'T JUST BUILD BEAUTIFUL
INFRASTRUCTURE WITHOUT AN
EDUCATION.
SO WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES ON
THE HORIZON, YOU NEED THAT, YOU
KNOW, THAT MATH SKILL, THE
LITERACY SKILL.
WE'RE NOT THAT DUMB CONSTRUCTION
WORKER ANYMORE.
WE'RE EVOLVING AND CHANGING.

Nam says IS THERE STILL THAT
STIGMA AROUND WHAT A
CONSTRUCTION WORKER IS?

The caption changes to “Ontario trades training. Common misconceptions.”

Quoc says YOU KNOW, YOU WALK AROUND
WITH A CONSTRUCTION HAT, YOU'LL
GET THAT LOOK.
OH, YOU KNOW, THIS GUY SMELLS,
HE'S DIRTY.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU
MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND YOU MAKE
HIGH WAGES AND SO YOU GO HOME
AND IT'S FULFILLING.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU GET
TO -- YOU BUILD TORONTO, YOU
BUILD THE CITY, RIGHT?

Nam says AND PHYSICS I'M
ASSUMING WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT
SUBJECT --

Robert says FOR SOME OF THE TRADES, FOR
SURE, ESPECIALLY AN ELECTRICIAN.
THE OTHER THING IS, IN CANADA
YOU ALMOST HAVE TO BE BILINGUAL
IN TERMS OF METRIC AND IMPERIAL.
OFFICIALLY WE'RE METRIC, AND ANY
GOVERNMENT JOB WILL BE IN
METRIC.
BUT IF ANY OF THE EQUIPMENT OR
ANY OF THE SHOP DRAWINGS COME
FROM THE UNITED STATES, THEY'RE
IN IMPERIAL.
SO IN HIGH SCHOOLS THEY TEND TO
CONCENTRATE ON METRIC.
SO WE'VE NOTICED THAT THERE'S A
BIT OF A WEAKNESS WHEN IT COMES
TO FRACTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND
USING JUST A SIMPLE TAPE
MEASURE.
WHAT'S ONE-EIGHTH OF AN INCH?
KIDS AREN'T TAUGHT INCHES VERY
MUCH.
WHEREAS WHEN I WAS IN HIGH
SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ALL
IMPERIAL.
METRIC'S EASY BECAUSE IT'S JUST
DECIMAL.
BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THREE FEET
FOUR AND THREE-QUARTER INCHES
PLUS FOUR FEET FIVE AND
ONE-THIRD, THEN IT GETS TO --
WELL, HOW DO I ADD THAT?
HOW DO I ADD THOSE TWO NUMBERS?
WHEREAS METRIC, IT'S JUST 1.357.

Nam says DO YOU THINK THE
EDUCATION SYSTEM SHOULD CHANGE
TO KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES?

The caption changes to “Ontario trades training. Staying in school.”

Robert says THERE ARE COURSES FOR
NUMERICAL LITERACY FOR THE
TRADES AND THEY ACTUALLY WILL
FOCUS ON WHAT KIND OF MATH
SKILLS YOU DO NEED FOR THE
TRADES AND FRACTIONS IS ONE
THING, TRIGONOMETRY IS ANOTHER.
YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE GETTING
MORE AND MORE COMPLICATED.
PEOPLE ARE USING MORE AND MORE
INNOVATIVE AND TECHNOLOGICAL
TOOLS ON THE JOB.
THEY'RE USING LASERS NOW.
THE GLASS IN THE ROM.
THAT'S PRETTY HIGH-TECH STUFF.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THE
BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN TORONTO
AND YOU LOOK AT JUST THE
EXTERIOR --

Nam says THEY'RE WORKS OF ART.

Robert says YES, THEY ARE.
THEY HAVE BECOME THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THINGS
HAVE TO BE FABRICATED ON THE
SITE, AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
ADAPT AND MAKE THINGS FIT.

Nam says THERE'S NO DUMB
CONSTRUCTION WORKER, STEREOTYPE.
WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL A
LONG, LONG, LONG TIME AGO, WE
DID HOME EC.
DO YOU THINK THAT TRADES SHOULD
BE MANDATORY IN SCHOOL?

Robert says I THINK SHOP IS A GREAT IDEA.
JUST -- YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO
WHEN I WAS SCHOOL, LONGER THAN
YOU, WE TOOK WOODWORKING,
PLASTICS, BUT WE ALSO TOOK, YOU
KNOW, AUTOMOTIVE -- A LOT OF THE
THINGS YOU DON'T DO NOW.
WE LEARNED THE TIMING AND HOW TO
GREASE THE CAR.
BASIC THINGS, HOW DO YOU CHECK
THE OIL, CHANGE A TIRE?
EVEN USING HAND TOOLS, HOW TO
USE A DRILL, ALL THOSE KIND OF
LIFE SKILLS I THINK ARE
IMPORTANT AND ARE MISSING.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE GENERATION OF
KIDS NOW, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO
USE A HAND DRILL.
MY FATHER TAUGHT ME IN GRADE
ONE.
I WAS USING DRILLS IN GRADE ONE.
WHERE NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S A
TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORLD.

Quoc says I'VE NEVER
SWUNG A HAMMER IN MY LIFE.
UNFORTUNATELY FOR ME -- I GOT
EXPOSED TO 25 DIFFERENT TRADES
WHERE I GOT TO SEE EVERY
PARTICULAR TRADE AND HOW TO USE
DIFFERENT TOOLS AND THINGS OF
THAT NATURE.
AND AS AN APPRENTICE, YOU DON'T
NEED TO KNOW EVERYTHING.
YOU LEARN WHILE YOU GET PAID TO
DO THE JOB.

Nam says I'M GUESSING, TO BE
CURIOUS, POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION
YOU USUALLY GET TO PICK YOUR
COURSES.
FOR THE TRADES I'M GUESSING IT'S
DIFFERENT.
THE TRADE PICKS YOU.

Robert says OR YOU PICK THE TRADE.
THERE'S SUCH A WIDE RANGE OF
TRADES.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE
HAVE FUTURE BUILDING IS A
PAINTER IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT
THAN A SHEET METAL WORKER, AND
IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN AN
IRON WORKER AND IS TOTALLY
DIFFERENT THAN A GLAZIER.

Nam says IS IT DIFFERENT FOR
HAMMER HEADS?

Quac says HAMMER HEAD IS DIFFERENT.
YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TRADES ARE
OUT THERE FOR YOU AND YOU DON'T
KNOW WHAT YOUR SKILL-SETS ARE.
SO YOU GET, FOR EXAMPLE, EVERY
WEEK YOU GO TO A DIFFERENT
TRAINING CENTRE, SO YOU GET
YOURSELF EXPOSED AND THE
TRAINING DIRECTOR WILL SEE HOW
YOU FIT INTO THAT PARTICULAR
TRADE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW
BETTER -- IF YOU'VE NEVER DONE
CONSTRUCTION BEFORE, YOU DON'T
KNOW THE SKILLS THAT YOU NEED.
SO THESE DIRECTORS, TRAINERS AND
DIRECTORS, THEY WILL GUIDE YOU
THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO FOR ME, FORTUNATELY, I BECAME
A STEAMFITTER.
I'VE NEVER LOOKED BACK.
IT'S SIX YEARS AND I'M STILL
GOING.

Nam says FOR PARENTS WATCHING
OR FOR STUDENTS TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT WHAT TO DO NEXT IN THEIR
LIFE, WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE
THEM TO MAYBE CHOOSE TRADES?

Robert says I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THEM
TO LOOK AT THE OPTIONS.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE
BASICALLY KNOW ABOUT THE FIVE
MAIN CONSTRUCTION -- YOU KNOW,
PLUMBER, ELECTRICIAN.
THERE'S 26 TRADES.
BUT YOU ALSO -- THERE'S A NUMBER
OF CAREER PATHS THAT YOU CAN GO
TO.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE STUCK
WITH A HAMMER AND A DRILL OR
GETTING DIRTY THE REST OF YOUR
LIFE.
YOU CAN GET INTO PROJECT
MANAGEMENT, ESTIMATING, YOU CAN
BECOME A SUPERVISOR-FOREMAN, AND
YOU CAN BE YOUR OWN BOSS, START
YOUR OWN CONTRACTING COMPANY.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF
POSSIBILITIES THAT, ONCE YOU GET
YOUR JOURNEYMAN STATUS, YOUR
CFQ, YOU CAN BRANCH OUT TO A LOT
OF DIFFERENT CAREERS.
YOU'RE NOT JUST STUCK OUTSIDE
FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.

Quoc says THAT'S WHAT
HAPPENED TO ME, PRETTY MUCH.
I GOT MY LICENCE AS A
STEAMFITTER AND NOW I'M IN THE
BUSINESS OF BUILDING TRADES.
I'M DOING SOMETHING TOTALLY
DIFFERENT WHERE -- I INITIALLY
WANTED TO BE A SOCIAL WORKER.
NOW I'M ABLE TO GIVE BACK TO THE
PROGRAM AND IT'S COME FULL
CIRCLE FOR ME AS WELL.

Nam says AND TO INFLUENCE THE
YOUNG PEOPLE COMING UP BEHIND
YOU.
ROBERT AND QUOC, THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR GIVING US SUCH GREAT
INSIGHT INTO SOMETHING WE DON'T
USUALLY HEAR ABOUT. THANK YOU.

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