Transcript: Ontario Hubs: Gentrifying the Province | Apr 05, 2018

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, a white shirt and a patterned black and blue tie.

A caption reads "Ontario Hubs: Gentrifying the province."

The caption changes to "Twitter: @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says URBAN REVITALIZATION
MAY SOUND LIKE AN UNEQUIVOCAL
GOOD TO SOME.
BUT IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN
THAT, ESPECIALLY PERHAPS IN
SMALLER URBAN CENTRES THAT DON'T
THINK OF THEMSELVES AS NEEDING
OR WANTING MUCH CHANGE.
TO FIND OUT WHAT OUR HUBSTERS
ARE HEARING, LET'S WELCOME BACK,
FROM OUR STUDIO IN KINGSTON,
ONTARIO:
THERE'S DAVID ROCKNE CORRIGAN,
WHO HEADS UP OUR EASTERN
ONTARIO HUB.

David is in his thirties, with short curly brown hair and a shadow of a beard. He wears a pink shirt and a blue blazer.

Steve says AND FROM OUR STUDIO AT WESTERN
UNIVERSITY IN LONDON:
MARY BAXTER, WHO HEADS OUR
SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO HUB.

Mary is in her forties, with shoulder length slightly wavy brown hair and wears a printed black, blue and green blouse and a black blazer.

Steve says AND HERE IN STUDIO:
JEYAN JEGANATHAN, OUR ONTARIO
HUBS FIELD PRODUCER.

Jeyan is in his thirties, with short curly brown hair and a stubble. He wears a gray suit and a white, blue gingham shirt and a polka dotted burgundy tie.

Steve says 1993 IT'S GOOD TO WELCOME YOU
THREE BACK TO OUR AIRWAVES HERE
IN THE BIG SMOKE.
DAVID, I WANT TO START WITH YOU
IN KINGSTON.
WE'VE HEARD THE STORY IN
HAMILTON.

The caption changes to "Ontario Hubs: Gentrifying the province. The talk in every coffee shop."

Steve says YOU AND MARY BOTH HAVE PIECES ON
TVO.org ABOUT THIS ISSUE IN
YOUR VARIOUS PARTS OF THE
PROVINCE.
TELL US ABOUT THE INNER HARBOUR
THERE AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE
ISSUE?

A split screen shows Steve to the left and David to the right with the caption "Kingston, Ontario."

The caption changes to "David Rockne Corrigan. Eastern Ontario Hub Editor."

David says FOR
PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR, IT
IS AROUND THE RIVER, NORTH OF
THE MAIN DRAG, IF YOU WILL.
THIS WAS AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN A
BLUE COLLAR WORKING CLASS
NEIGHBOURHOOD.
A LOT OF THE INDUSTRY THAT WAS
FOUND ALONG THE RIVER THERE,
FACTORIES AND DOCKS, AS THE
ECONOMY SORT OF SHIFTED, A LOT
OF THOSE FACTORIES AND JOBS SORT
OF DISAPPEARED.
YOU KNOW, WITH IT A LOT OF THE
WORKING CLASS FAMILIES SORT OF
VANISHED ALONG WITH IT.
YOU KNOW, IT STILL HAS THAT
WORKING CLASS FEEL, BUT IT HAS
GAINED A REPUTATION SORT OF
SINCE AROUND THE 1970s AS
BEING, YOU KNOW, A LESS
DESIRABLE PART OF TOWN, A POORER
NEIGHBOURHOOD.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, GAINED THE
MONIKER "NORTH OF PRINCESS,"
SOMETIMES LOVINGLY, SOMETIMES
DERISIVELY BY PEOPLE IN THE
CITY, BUT IT'S A THRIVING
NEIGHBOURHOOD NOW.
THERE'S CERTAINLY BEEN A SHIFT,
ESPECIALLY SINCE THE 1990s,
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF ARTISTS AND
PROFESSORS MOVED INTO THE
NEIGHBOURHOOD THAT MAYBE WEREN'T
ABLE TO AFFORD HOUSES SOUTH OF
PRINCESS.
YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S BEEN
GENTRIFICATION THERE AND WITH
IT, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY
PASSIONATE CONVERSATION AROUND
THAT OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS BUT
IT'S RAMPED UP PARTICULARLY SO
IN THE LAST DECADE.

Steve says OKAY.
MARY, LET'S GO WEST TO LONDON.
TELL US ABOUT THE OLD EAST
VILLAGE NEIGHBOURHOOD THERE.

A split screen shows Steve to the left and Mary to the right with the caption "London, Ontario."

The caption changes to "Mary Baxter. Southwestern Ontario Hub editor."

Mary says WELL, STEVE, A
LOT OF IT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT
DAVID WAS TALKING ABOUT IN
KINGSTON: A WORKING CLASS
NEIGHBOURHOOD.
A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WORKED FOR
EITHER THE RAIL ROADS OR
INDUSTRY, AND THE NEIGHBOURHOOD
FELL ON HARD TIMES.
THEN AROUND 2000 OR SO, THE
NEIGHBOURHOOD RESIDENTS DECIDED
THAT THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING
ABOUT IT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF CRIME IN THE
NEIGHBOURHOOD.
PEOPLE WERE FEELING UNSAFE.
SO THEY SET ABOUT REVITALIZING
THEIR NEIGHBOURHOOD AND PUT
PLANS TOGETHER AND WORKED REALLY
HARD ON IT.
ONE OF THE KEY PRINCIPLES THAT
THEY EMBRACED AS THEY MOVED
FORWARD WITH THIS IS EVERYBODY
SHOULD HAVE A HOME.
IT DIDN'T MATTER IF YOU WERE ON
A FIXED INCOME, THERE WOULD BE A
PLACE FOR YOU, OR IF YOU WERE
JUST DEALING WITH A LOW INCOME
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE... THE
INGREDIENTS THAT THEY PUT INTO
THEIR REVITALIZATION EFFORT, I
THINK OF IT IN TERMS OF THE
INGREDIENTS OF A CAKE.
THEY PUT A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN
AND RIGHT NOW THE NEIGHBOURHOOD
IS IN THAT PROCESS OF KIND OF
BAKING.
THE QUESTION IS: WILL IT RISE
THE WAY THAT IT'S EXPECTED?
AND I THINK FOR THE MOST PART IT
LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO RISE.
BUT THERE'S STILL SOME
CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF COMING TO
TERMS WITH SOME OF THE MORE
VULNERABLE POPULATIONS.

Steve says LET'S STAY WITH THE
FOOD METAPHOR AS WE GO TO JEYAN.
YOU HAVE A FIELD PIECE AFTER
THIS DISCUSSION IN LONDON AND
PICK UP THE ANGLE ABOUT FOOD
THERE.
A FOOD DESERT.

The caption changes to "Jeyan Jeganathan. Ontario Hubs Field Reporter."

Jeyan says THERE WAS
NO BAKING AT THAT TIME.
A DECADE OLD STUDY OUT OF
WESTERN UNIVERSITY LOOKED AT
FOOD ACCESSIBILITY IN LONDON AND
WHAT THEY FOUND WAS, IN THE EAST
END, IN THE OLD EAST VILLAGE, TO
SOME LOCALS KNOWN AS EAST OF
ADELAIDE, THIS WAS A FOOD
DESERT.
THERE WAS NO GROCERY STORE IN
THE NEIGHBOURHOOD AT THE TIME,
THERE WAS A UNDERUTILIZED
FARMERS MARKET.
SO A LOT OF MANAGEMENT HAD
CHANGED OVER.
THE FARMERS MARKET WAS BOUGHT
OUT BY A GUY WHO HAD A VISION
WHO I PROFILE IN MY PIECE, HIS
NAME IS DAVE COOK, AND HE WENT
OUT AND HE ATTRACTED A LOT OF
BUSINESSES.
AND THOSE BUSINESSES NOW HAVE
STAND ALONE SHOPS ALONG DUNDAS.
THEY'VE REALLY DONE THIS KIND OF
GRASS ROOTS INITIATIVE WHERE
THEY'VE FOSTERED THESE
BUSINESSES ON A FARMERS MARKET
ANGLE AND NOW THEY CAN PROSPER
ON THEIR OWN.
SO DAVE COOK HAS TAKEN THIS
PRINCIPLE AND STRATEGY, HAS
OPENED UP AN INCUBATOR CALLED
THE LONDON FOOD INCUBATOR.
YOU HAVE A GROCERY STORE.
HE OWNS AND OPERATES HIS OWN
COFFEE SHOP OUT THE BACK AND YOU
HAVE EIGHT OR TEN BUSINESSES,
SAME PRINCIPLE, LOW RENT.
THEY CAN EVENTUALLY START UP
THEIR BUSINESS AND MAYBE
EVENTUALLY MOVE OUT INTO A
STANDALONE.

Steve says AND TVO WILL HAVE
THAT IN A FEW MINUTES AFTER WE
FINISH THIS.
DAVID, COME ON BACK IN HERE AND
TALK ABOUT GROUND ZERO FOR THIS
GENTRIFICATION PLACE IN
KINGSTON, THE CAFE.

The caption changes to "Ontario Hubs: Gentrifying the province. This is my neighbourhood."

The caption changes to "David Rockne Corrigan. @RockneCorrigan."

David says IT'S
BECOME A FLASHPOINT AROUND
GENTRIFICATION IN THE CITY.
IT OPENED IN 2016 BY A COUPLE
OF, YOU KNOW, YOUNG
30-SOMETHINGS FROM THE CITY.
THEY OPENED UP AN INDIE CAFE.
IT'S GOT SORT OF A VINTAGE
AESTHETIC WITH HARDWOOD FLOORS
AND VICTORIAN-STYLE SOFAS AND
CHAIRS.
IT USED TO BE A LAUNDROMAT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN IT OPENED IN
2016, ALMOST IMMEDIATELY IT WAS
EMBRACED BY THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK ABOUT TWO WEEKS AFTER IT
OPENED, IT WAS HOSTING CONCERTS
FOR A LOCAL ARTS FESTIVAL AND,
YOU KNOW, IT FEELS AS THOUGH IT
WAS ALMOST A CAFE THAT THE
COMMUNITY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT
NEEDED UNTIL IT WAS THERE.
BUT IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, BECOME
A BIT OF A SAGA AROUND IT.
A COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER IT
OPENED, THE OWNERS, YOU KNOW,
CAME TO THE CAFE AND DISCOVERED
THAT ONE OF THE WINDOWS WAS
BROKEN.
AT THE TIME THEY JUST CHALKED IT
UP TO A DRUNKEN REVELER HAVING A
BIT TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW, VIOLENT
FUN.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST, YOU
KNOW, DECIDED TO... WE'LL FIX
THE WINDOW AND ABOUT A WEEK
AFTER THE WINDOW WAS FIXED, THEY
WOKE UP, BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY
LIVED ABOVE THE CAFE, TO MORE
WINDOWS BEING SMASHED AND THEY
WENT DOWN AND ACCORDING TO ONE
OF THE OWNERS IT SEEMED AS
THOUGH SOMEBODY HAD TAKEN A
HAMMER AND STRUCK THE CENTRE OF
EVERY SINGLE WINDOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT ATTACK, THAT
VANDALISM, IT FELT A LITTLE BIT
MORE PERSONAL TO THE OWNERS.
THEY TOOK THEIR TIME IN
REPLACING THE WINDOWS, SORT OF
DID IT ONE AT A TIME, STAGGERED
TO PREVENT ANY FURTHER
VANDALISM, BUT BEFORE THEY WERE
EVEN ABLE TO REPLACE THAT LAST
WINDOW, A VANDAL STRUCK YET
AGAIN AND BROKE THE WINDOWS.
SO THAT... YOU KNOW, AT THIS
POINT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MAKING
HEADLINES AND SOMEBODY IN THE
COMMUNITY ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER
A GOFUNDME, BUT BEFORE, YOU
KNOW, THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT IN
PLACE MORE SECURITY MEASURES,
THERE WAS A FOURTH INCIDENT OF
VANDALISM.
ALTHOUGH THE POLICE NEVER
OFFICIALLY CONNECTED THE
VANDALISM TO, YOU KNOW,
ANTI-GENTRIFICATION SENTIMENT,
IT WAS CERTAINLY THE THOUGHT
THAT THE OWNERS HAD THAT, YOU
KNOW, IT WAS RELATED AND, YOU
KNOW, THE SUSPICIONS WENT
THROUGH THE COMMUNITY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE CONNECTED THE
TWO THINGS, EVEN THOUGH THE
POLICE MAY NOT HAVE DONE SO IN A
FORMAL WAY.

Steve says MARY, LET'S GO TO
YOUR SITUATION NOW AS WE TRY TO
FOLLOW UP ON WHAT SOME OF THE
REACTION IN LONDON HAS BEEN TO
THE GENTRIFICATION.
YOU TALKED IN YOUR PIECE TO A
LOW INCOME LONDONER WHO WANTS TO
MOVE INTO THE OLD EAST VILLAGE.
WHAT'S THE STORY THERE?

The caption changes to "Mary Baxter. @MaryBWord."

Mary says CORNELIUS
BERG... RIGHT NOW HE'S LIVING
OUTSIDE OF LONDON, BUT LONDON
HAS BEEN HIS HOME FOR MOST OF
HIS ADULT LIFE AND HE WANTS TO
GET BACK.
HE'S ON INCOME ASSISTANCE AND
HE'S FACING EVICTION IN HIS
CURRENT APARTMENT.
HE WANTS TO MOVE TO OLD EAST FOR
A COUPLE OF REASONS: ONE, THE
AREA IS KNOWN, HAS A REPUTATION
FOR LOW RENTS.
BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT
THERE'S A LOT OF SOCIAL
ORGANIZATIONS AND CHARITABLE
ORGANIZATIONS THERE THAT CAN
HELP PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE LIVING
ON JUST A LITTLE OVER 700 DOLLARS A
MONTH FOR ALL OF THEIR RENT AND
THEIR FOOD.
IN OLD EAST, THE WAY IT USED TO
BE, WAS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO
PAY A LOT OF YOUR RENT TO... A
LOT OF YOUR MONEY TO RENT, BUT
THERE ARE STILL PLACES WHERE YOU
COULD GET FOOD, SO YOU WOULDN'T
GO HUNGRY.
BUT THAT'S CHANGING.
A BIG PART OF IT IS THAT THE
VACANCY RATES IN LONDON OVERALL
HAVE PLUMMETED.
IT'S JUST LIKE A LITTLE OVER 1 percent.
SO IT'S REALLY A LANDLORD'S
MARKET.
AND WHERE IT AFFECTS IN OLD
EAST, THERE'S BEEN SOME
DEVELOPMENTS, SOME PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN DISPLACED BUT NOT VERY MANY
SO FAR.
BUT THE BIGGER ISSUE IS, IF IT'S
A LANDLORD'S MARKET, WHO DO YOU
THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT
RENTING THEIR PLACE?
SO RIGHT NOW CORNELIUS IS
REALIZING THAT HE'S GOING TO
BECOME HOMELESS.

Steve says JEYAN, THIS WHOLE
ISSUE OF GENTRIFICATION
OBVIOUSLY HAS TWO SIDES.
ON THE ONE HAND BRINGING OLD
NEIGHBOURHOODS BACK, RESTORING
OLDER BUILDINGS, THAT KIND OF
THING FOR A NEW GENERATION.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND SOME
DISPLACEMENT THAT GOES WITH IT
AS WELL.

The caption changes to "Jeyan Jeganathan. @JeyanTVO."

Jeyan says RIGHT?

Steve says IN I DON'T YOU ARE TRAVELS IN
LONDON, TALK TO US ABOUT THE
NATURE OF THE CONVERSATION
SURROUNDING THAT?

The caption changes to "Connect with us: tvo.org, @theagenda, Facebook, YouTube, Periscope and Instagram."

Jeyan says SOME OF
THE PEOPLE WOULD SAY IT'S NOT
GENTRIFICATION, IT'S URBAN
RENEWAL.
SO THERE'S A CONVERSATION THERE
AS WELL.
ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS I SPOKE
WITH WAS THE UNITY PROJECT.
AND IT SOUNDS CLICHE, BUT IT IS
FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE, IS
THE INITIATIVE THAT I'VE KIND OF
SEEN, WHETHER IT IS FROM THE
BUSINESSES THAT ARE POPPING UP
OR THE SOCIAL SERVICES THERE.
AND THE UNITY PROJECT, YOU KNOW,
THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, CHUCK
LAZENBY, HAS LIVED IN THE
NEIGHBOURHOOD 15, 16 YEARS, JUST
AS LONG AS THAT ORGANIZATION HAS
BEEN THERE.

Steve says CHUCK IS A WOMAN.

Jeyan says CHUCK IS
A WOMAN.
SHE HAS SEEN THE CHANGES IN THIS
NEIGHBOURHOOD AND SHE HAS A GOOD
CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSION WITH
THESE NEW BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE.
SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I
WAS SURPRISED TO SEE IN A LOT OF
THE ORGANIZATIONS AND BUSINESSES
THAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE HERE IN
ORDER TO SEE THE CHANGES AND BE
THERE BECAUSE YOU NEED TO BE
ACCOUNTABLE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF
AMAZING.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THESE FORUMS,
WHEN THESE MEETINGS HAPPEN FOR
OTHER NEW DEVELOPMENTS OR SAFE
CONSUMPTION SITE, BOTH SIDES ARE
AT THE TABLE.
WHETHER THEY DISAGREE ON THE
TOPIC OR NOT, THEY'RE AT THE
TABLE.
AND I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN YOU
HAVE BIGGER ENTERPRISES AND
ORGANIZATIONS THAT COME IN, THAT
CAN GET KIND OF CROSSED OVER.
BUT HERE THAT DISCUSSION IS
HAPPENING SO...

Steve says BACK TO KINGSTON.
DAVID, WHETHER YOU CALL IT URBAN
RENEWAL OR WHETHER YOU CALL IT
GENTRIFICATION, WHAT ARE YOU
HEARING IN KINGSTON IN TERMS OF,
YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS TO
THE PROBLEMS THAT ARISE WHENEVER
THESE ISSUES COME FORWARD?

The caption changes to "Ontario Hubs: Gentrifying the province. Can we all just get along?"

David says WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS
A SOLUTION PER SE ON THE
HORIZON.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FACT THAT
THIS CONVERSATION IS TAKING
PLACE... I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT...
THERE'S A FACEBOOK GROUP CALLED
THE McBURNIE PARK... IT IS
SORT OF A PARK WITHIN THIS INNER
HARBOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD, AND THEY
HAVE A FACEBOOK GROUP THAT WAS
ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE FOR
PARENTS WHO WANTED TO GET KIDS
TOGETHER FOR PLAY DATES AND THAT
SORT OF THING.
IT'S BALLOONED.
THERE ARE OVER 1,000 MEMBERS NOW
AND THE CONVERSATION AROUND
GENTRIFICATION HAS REALLY TAKEN
SHAPE ON THIS PARTICULAR FORUM.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE ANY
SOLUTIONS BUT I DO SEE THAT A
CONVERSATION IS HAPPENING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A PRETTY
SOPHISTICATED CONVERSATION AT
TIMES.
I MEAN, IT'S EVOLVED.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT,
YOU KNOW, THAT CRITICIZE THIS
FACEBOOK GROUP BECAUSE IT SEEMS
LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE JUST
SAYING, OH, THERE'S A SKETCHY
GUY IN MY BACK YARD COLLECTING
BOTTLES.
BUT IT'S ALSO I THINK PUT THE
AWARENESS OF THE ISSUE IN A LOT
OF PEOPLE'S MINDS.
YOU KNOW, I SPOKE TO A LOT OF
PEOPLE AND THERE'S A CERTAIN
KIND OF GUILT ALMOST THAT COMES
WITH BEING A QUOTE, UNQUOTE,
GENTRIFIER.
ONE PERSON IN PARTICULAR WHO
MOVED TO THE NEIGHBOURHOOD ABOUT
25 YEARS AGO AND CONSIDERS
HERSELF A GENTRIFIER, BUT SHE IS
ALSO SOMEBODY WHO, YOU KNOW, HAS
DEDICATED HER LIFE TO ISSUES OF
POVERTY AND FOOD SECURITY.
AND SHE SEES IT AS A LARGER
ISSUE AROUND CLASS.
AND FOR HER, SHE SAYS WHAT'S
IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT WE GET A
LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH
THESE KINDS OF UNCOMFORTABLE
CONVERSATIONS.
AND FOR ME, THAT COULD BE, YOU
KNOW, WHERE A SOLUTION COMES
THROUGH, IS JUST THIS IDEA OF
HAVING CONVERSATIONS TO GET TO
NEW UNDERSTANDINGS AROUND WHAT'S
GOING ON AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN
THIS COMMUNITY.

Steve says MARY, CAN YOU TAKE
30 SECONDS AND ADD TO THAT,
WHETHER YOU'RE HEARING ANY
SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEMS THAT
ARISE WITH GENTRIFICATION OR
URBAN RENEWAL IN YOUR NECK OF
THE WOODS?

Mary says I THINK THAT
THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, OLD
EAST HAS DONE A LOT OF THINGS
RIGHT.
THERE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING,
THERE'S GEARED TO INCOME HOUSING
THERE, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT
THEY REALLY NEED IS SUPPORTED
HOUSING.
AND THERE'S SOME RUMBLINGS THAT
SOME OF THAT MIGHT BE COMING
INTO THE NEIGHBOURHOOD AS WELL.
BUT NOTHING FIRM YET.

Steve says GOTCHA. YOU WANT TO
SET UP YOUR SETUP PACK HERE?

Jeyan says I DO
INDEED. I DEFINITELY WANT TO
ECHO WHAT MARY SAID.
BUT THIS PIECE THAT'S AIRING
RIGHT AFTER THIS SEGMENT LOOKS
AT ESSENTIALLY THE FINE LINE
THAT THE OLD EAST VILLAGE IS
DOING AND, AGAIN, THEY'RE DOING
A GREAT JOB. AND IT LOOKS AT
THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
SO HAVE A TAKE...

A clip rolls.

Clips show images of a coffee shop kitchen.

A caption reads "Dave Cook. Social entrepreneur."

Dave is in his forties, balding and with a graying beard. He wears a brownish red shirt.

Dave says WHAT THIS PLACE WAS CREATED
TO DO WAS GIVE THEM A HALFWAY
STOP SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME
IN DO MASSIVE RENOVATIONS, THEY
DON'T HAVE TO COMMIT TO
LONG-TERM LEASES AND THEY CAN
HAVE A SPACE THAT'S 500 SQUARE
FEET FOR 550 DOLLARS A MONTH, WHICH IS
EXTREMELY CHEAP.

Jeyan says DAVE COOK
IS THE MIND BEHIND THE
INCUBATOR.
HE IS THE OWNER OF FIRE ROASTED
COFFEE AND ONE OF THE SOCIAL
ENTREPRENEURS BEHIND THE
NEIGHBOURHOOD'S REVIVAL.

A map of Old East Village appears.

Dave says THIS IS AT DUNDAS AND
ADELAIDE.
WHEN YOU HEAR THE CLASSIC EAST
OF ADELAIDE, YOU'RE REFERENCING
THIS SPECIFIC BLOCK THAT WE'RE
DOING BUSINESS IN.
AND SO IT'S OLD EAST VILLAGE.

Jeyan says THE
NEIGHBOURHOOD WAS ASSOCIATED
WITH POVERTY, HOMELESSNESS, AND
UNEMPLOYMENT.
A DECADE-OLD STUDY BY WESTERN
UNIVERSITY NAMED LONDON'S EAST
END A FOOD DESERT.

Dave says EVERYONE WAS SHOPPING AT
VARIETY STORES BY AND LARGE.
WE HAD A PROFESSOR FROM UWO DO A
STUDY OF FOOD PRICING PRIOR TO
THE MARKET AND FOOD PRICING
AFTER THE MARKET, AND IT DROPPED
TO THE TUNE OF I THINK IT WAS
AROUND THE NEIGHBOURHOOD OF 200 DOLLARS
A MONTH PEOPLE SAVED ON FOOD.

Jeyan says IN 2006,
COOK TOOK HIS ROASTED COFFEE
BEAN BUSINESS WHICH HE WAS
BUILDING IN HIS GARAGE TO THE
FARMERS MARKET.

Dave says I WAS DRIVING THROUGH THE
COMMUNITY ONE DAY AND IT SAID
MARKET STARTING, VENDORS WANTED.
I HAD A FAIR TRADE COFFEE
COMPANY THAT I WAS ROASTING AT
THE TIME AND JOINED THE MARKET.

Jeyan says FOR 80 DOLLARS
HE RENTED A BOOTH AT THE FARMERS
AND ARTISANS MARKET AT WESTERN
FAIR.
NOT LONG AFTER HE PURCHASED THE
MARKET FROM THE ORIGINAL OWNER.
NOW MANY OF THE BUSINESSES JUST
LIKE COOK'S THAT GOT THEIR START
IN THE MARKET HAVE POPPED UP
ALONG DUNDAS STREET AND TAKEN A
STAND ALONE LOCATION.

Dave says WE HAVE FULL BLOWN GROCERY
STORES AND RESTAURANTS, WE HAVE
CHEESE MAKERS AND BUTCHERS.
ANY COMMUNITY WOULD BEG TO HAVE
THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
IT WASN'T THAT WE WAITED FOR
THEM, WE BREWED THEM.

Jeyan says SARAH MERRITT
MOVED TO LONDON IN 1992.
SHE HAS SEEN THE CHANGES NOT
ONLY AS THE LONG-TIME MANAGER OF
THE OLD EAST VILLAGE BIA BUT
ALSO A RESIDENT.

The caption changes to "Sarah Merritt. Former BIA manager."

Sarah is in her fifties, with straight brown hair in a bob cut and wears a black sweater and a printed yellow, red and orange scarf.

Sarah says THE BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE
HAS IMPROVED AND THE VACANCY
RATE IN THE BUSINESS DISTRICT
HAS DECLINED SIGNIFICANTLY.
BUT THE REASON THAT MY HUSBAND
AND I LOCATED IN THIS AREA WAS
BECAUSE OF THE INCREDIBLE SENSE
OF COMMUNITY.

Jeyan says NOT ONLY
HAVE NEW BUSINESSES SET UP SHOP
ALONG THE BUSINESS CORRIDOR, BUT
NEW DEVELOPMENT IS COMING TO THE
OLD EAST VILLAGE.
THE NEIGHBOURHOOD HAS APPROVED A
FIVE-STOREY AFFORDABLE HOUSING
APARTMENT AND WORK IS WELL
UNDERWAY AT THE FORMER KELLOGG
PLANT.
THE SITE IS BEING PERFORMED INTO
AN ENTERTAINMENT HUB THAT WOULD
INCLUDE A HUGE INDOOR PARK AND
BREWERY.

Sarah says EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE HAS
ALWAYS STARTED WITH
CONVERSATIONS WITHIN THE
COMMUNITY, BROADER MEETINGS WITH
THE COMMUNITY.
IF NEW DEVELOPMENTS COME IN, WE
GET PEOPLE OUT, WE LOOK AT
WHAT'S BEING OFFERED, THEY HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEIR
INPUT.

Jeyan says BUT WITH
ALL THE DEVELOPMENT, AT LEAST
ONE ORGANIZATION IS FEELING
ANXIOUS.

The caption changes to "Chuck Lazenby. Unity Project."

Chuck is in her thirties, with long straight blond hair and wears a sleeveless black T-shirt, a brown beanie, a pair of earrings and a long golden necklace.

Chuck says THE THING THAT WORRIES ME I
THINK MOST IS OVER TIME... THE
HOUSING PRICES ARE ONE PIECE,
THE RENT PRICES ARE ONE PIECE.
BUT THERE'S ALSO A SOCIAL COST
TO GENTRIFICATION, WHICH IS WHY
I THINK THAT THE ROLE ABOUT
TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE REALITY
IS VERSUS PERCEPTION, TALKING
ABOUT REDUCING STIGMATIZING
LANGUAGE AND, YOU KNOW, ENSURING
THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING
IN POVERTY ARE PART OF THIS
COMMUNITY BECAUSE PEOPLE, WHEN
THEY DON'T FEEL WELCOME IN A
COMMUNITY, THEN THAT'S WHERE
THEY CAN FEEL DISPLACED, AND NOT
JUST PHYSICALLY DISPLACED BY THE
COST OF RENT AND THE COST OF
HOUSING BUT ALSO IN THAT
PRESSURE YOU FEEL FROM THE
NEIGHBOURS AND THE COMMUNITY
ITSELF.

Jeyan says CHUCK
LAZENBY IS THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF UNITY PROJECT, AN
EMERGENCY SHELTER IN LONDON'S
OLD EAST VILLAGE.
THE ORGANIZATION HAS CALLED THIS
NEIGHBOURHOOD HOME FOR OVER 15
YEARS, AND LAZENBY HERSELF HAS
LIVED HERE FOR JUST AS LONG.
THE UNITY PROJECT ALSO PROVIDES
TRANSITIONAL HOUSING FOR THE
CITY'S MOST MARGINALIZED
MEMBERS.
FINDING PERMANENT HOUSING IN THE
AREA HAS BEEN DIFFICULT.

Chuck says THERE ARE CHALLENGES WHEN IT
COMES TO FINDING PEOPLE PLACES
TO RENT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND
CERTAINLY THIS NEIGHBOURHOOD
USED TO HAVE MORE VIABLE OPTIONS
FOR FOLKS WHO ARE ON A LIMITED
INCOME.
AND THAT'S VERY QUICKLY
DECREASING.

Jeyan says THE CITY
IS LOOKING TO SET UP A SAFE
INJECTION SITE, AND THE DOWNTOWN
AREA, INCLUDING THE OLD EAST
VILLAGE, HAS BEEN LOOKED AT AS
AN OPTION.

Chuck says THERE ARE CERTAINLY FOLKS WHO
ARE SAYING, LIKE, ABSOLUTELY
NOT.
THAT WILL BRING, YOU KNOW, CRIME
AND MORE PROBLEMS TO THIS
NEIGHBOURHOOD.
IT MAKES THEM UNSAFE.
AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE ARE
SAYING, THIS IS A HEALTH ISSUE
THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE
SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WILL
BENEFIT FROM THIS SERVICE WILL
HAVE ACCESS TO.
I THINK THE OLD EAST VILLAGE IS
IN THAT PLACE OF, YOU KNOW,
HAVING THESE DEBATES AND
DISCUSSIONS, AND REALLY
PARTICIPATING IN ANY KIND OF
COMMUNITY FORUMS THAT COME UP
WITH WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO
THE NEIGHBOURHOOD, AND I THINK
THAT IF THERE'S... THE TWO
OPPOSING PERSPECTIVES ARE
REPRESENTED.

Jeyan says MERRITT
ARGUES WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE
OLD EAST VILLAGE IS
REVITALIZATION, NOT
GENTRIFICATION, AND THE PEOPLE
WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD
HAVE THE BIGGEST EFFECT.

Sarah says I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN MAKE
THIS LEVEL OF CHANGE IF YOU
DON'T LIVE HERE.
I DON'T.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO LIVE HERE.
IT'S SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE ANSWERABLE TO
YOUR NEIGHBOURS.

Dave says MANY COMMUNITIES WILL TRY AND
WAIT FOR SOME OUTSIDE ENTITY TO
COME IN AND BLESS THEM WITH
ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, BUT WE HAVE
STUMBLED ACROSS A WAY TO CREATE
OUR OWN AND IT BECAME WILDLY
SUCCESSFUL, SO MUCH SO THAT IT'S
STUDIED ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY
AND ELSEWHERE AROUND THE
PROVINCE AS A WAY TO GIVE
COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS OF THAT
COMMUNITY SOME POWER TO CREATE
THEIR OWN ECONOMIC DESTINY.

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Steve says GOOD STUFF.
THANKS, JEYAN. AND TO OUR
HUBSTERS OUT OF TOWN, DAVID
ROCKNE CORRIGAN IN KINGSTON,
MARY BAXTER IN LONDON. THANKS
FOR JOINING US ON TVO AS WELL.

David says THANK YOU.

Mary says THANKS, STEVE.

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