Transcript: The Aftermath of a Concussion | Mar 20, 2018

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, blue shirt, and checked blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "Life after concussions. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says SYMPTOMS VARY.
EFFECTS VARY.
RECOVERY VARIES GREATLY.
BUT SIMPLY PUT, CONCUSSIONS ARE
TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURIES AND FOR
MANY, IT'S MEANT THE END OF
ACTIVELY ENGAGING IN THE SPORT
THEY LOVE, AND MAY HAVE INVESTED
A LIFETIME IN.
JOINING US NOW FOR A
CONVERSATION ABOUT THE IMPACT OF
CONCUSSIONS ON THEIR LIVES:
KATIE WEATHERSTON, FORMER MEMBER
OF THE CANADIAN NATIONAL WOMEN'S
HOCKEY TEAM AND A GOLD MEDALLIST
AT THE 2006 TORINO OLYMPICS...
SHE'S NOW OWNER AND HEAD INSTRUCTOR OF HER OWN HOCKEY SCHOOL...

Katie is in her thirties, with long brown hair. She's wearing a gray sweater and a silver pendant necklace.

Steve continues KERRY GOULET, FORMER PROFESSIONAL EUROPEAN HOCKEY
PLAYER, INTERNATIONAL ICE HOCKEY
HALL OF FAMER AND CO-FOUNDER,
WITH FORMER NHLer KEITH PRIMEAU,
OF StopConcussions...

Kerry is in his mid-fifties, clean-shaven, with short wavy gray hair. He's wearing a gray suit and a pink gingham shirt.

Steve continues PAUL ROSEN, THREE-TIME
PARALYMPIAN, GOLD MEDALLIST IN
SLEDGE HOCKEY IN THE TORINO 2006
PARALYMPICS...

Paul is in his late forties, bald, with a trimmed goatee. He's wearing a black sports jersey.

Steve continues ANDREW LUE, DEFENSIVE BACK FOR
THE CFL's OTTAWA REDBLACKS AND
DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL PROJECTS AT
THE CONCUSSION LEGACY FOUNDATION
CANADA...

Andrew is in his twenties, with short curly black hair and a soul patch. He's wearing a gray suit and white shirt.

Steve continues AND JACKLYN SELFE, FORMER
WESTERN UNIVERSITY MUSTANGS
WOMEN'S BASKETBALL PLAYER, NOW A
BRAND MANAGER FOR KAHUNAVERSE
SPORTS GROUP.

Jacklyn is in her twenties, with long straight blond hair. She's wearing a black sweater.

Steve continues IT IS REALLY FABULOUS TO HAVE SO
MUCH TALENT AROUND THIS TABLE
TODAY.
MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I BOTHERED
SHOWING UP.
I FEEL INFERIOR TO ALL OF YOU
HERE.
LET'S JUST GO AROUND THE TABLE
AND FOR STARTERS GIVE ME THE
30-SECOND SPEECH ON YOUR HISTORY
WITH CONCUSSIONS.
JACKLYN, YOU WANT TO START OFF?

The caption changes to "Concussion history."

Jacklyn says FOR SURE.
I PLAYED BASKETBALL AT WESTERN
UNIVERSITY, GOT MY FIRST
CONCUSSION, AND ENDED UP COMING
BACK ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AFTER
THAT.

Steve says HOW OLD WERE YOU?

Jacklyn says PLAYED AGAIN.
I WAS 18... 19.

Steve says FIRST CONCUSSION AT 19.

Jacklyn says FIRST CONCUSSION AT 19,
PLAYING BASKETBALL TOO WHICH I
THINK PEOPLE ARE MOSTLY SHOCKED AT.

Steve says ELBOW IN THE FACE, I HEARD.

The caption changes to "Jacklyn Selfe. Former Western Mustangs Basketball Player."

Jacklyn says ELBOW IN THE FACE.
I CAME BACK ABOUT FOUR MONTHS
AFTER PLAYED A HALF SEASON, GOT
A SECOND CONCUSSION, AND I'M
STILL DEALING WITH SYMPTOMS
TODAY FROM THAT ONE.

Steve says TO BE CONTINUED.

Jacklyn says TO BE CONTINUED.

Steve says PAUL?

The caption changes to "Paul Rosen. Three-Time Paralympian."

Paul says MY FIRST ONE WAS WHEN I WAS 15, PLAYING
TRIPLE-A HOCKEY.
SMASHED INTO THE BOARDS.
MANY YEARS WENT BY AND I LOST MY
LEG WHEN I WAS 39, HAD A FEW
REAL BAD ONES WHEN I PLAYED
SLEDGE HOCKEY AND MY WORST ONE
WAS ABOUT 6 MONTHS AGO IN THE
SHOWER.
I'M MISSING MY RIGHT LEG.
I WAS STANDING ON MY LEFT LEG.
A LOT OF AMPUTEES WOULD KNOW
THIS BUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC
WOULDN'T.
I SLIPPED IN THE SHOWER, ONLY
HAVING ONE LEG.
HIT MY HEAD ON THE BACK WALL AND
I'M STILL GOING THROUGH SYMPTOMS
AND PROBLEMS FROM THAT.

Steve says HOW MANY...

Paul says TWELVE.
I'VE HAD TWELVE.

Steve says YOU'VE HAD TWELVE
CONCUSSIONS.

Paul says YES, I HAVE, YES.

Steve says OH, MY LORD.
KATIE?

The caption changes to "Katie Weatherston. Former Team Canada Hockey Player."

Katie says I THINK I HAD MINOR CONCUSSIONS GROWING
UP FROM JUST HEADING THE BALL IN
SOCCER, YOU KNOW, I JUST
REMEMBER THE WHITE-OUT FOR A FEW
MINUTES AND CONTINUED TO PLAY.
I GUESS THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD
HAVE STARTED.
FOR ME, I HAD A SEVERE BIKE
CRASH AND I WENT HEAD FIRST INTO
THE PAVEMENT, LOST MY THREE
FRONT TEETH.

Steve says HOW OLD WERE YOU?

Katie says THIS WAS DURING OLYMPIC
TRYOUTS, SO IT WAS 2005.
I BELIEVE I WAS 22 YEARS OLD.
AFTER THAT, I... AFTER THE
OLYMPICS IN SEPTEMBER IS WHEN I
HAD MY MAJOR CONCUSSION.
I GOT CROSS-CHECKED FROM BEHIND
AND I WENT HEAD FIRST INTO THE
BOARDS.
SO I GOT THE WHIPLASH AND THEN
HITTING THE BOARDS, AND I
ACTUALLY TOOK IT UPON MYSELF TO
GO ASK THE DOCTOR IF I WAS OKAY.
SHOULD I GO BACK IN?
BACK THEN, THEY JUST RUN YOU
THROUGH A FIRST TESTS, THROW YOU
BACK IN THE GAME, AND I GOT HIT
THREE MORE TIMES.
THE FIRST TIME I WAS TAKING A
FACE-OFF AND OUR HEADS GRAZED
EACH OTHER AND I FELT LIKE I HIT
A BRICK WALL.
THAT'S WHEN I KNEW I WAS IN
TROUBLE.

Steve says HOW MANY IN TOTAL,
DO YOU SUSPECT?

Katie says I WOULD COUNT THREE I GUESS IN THAT ONE GAME AND I'D SAY
PROBABLY SIX OR SEVEN.

Steve says DO YOU KNOW WHO
CROSS-CHECKED YOU FROM BEHIND?

Katie says I DO AND SHE FEELS TERRIBLE.
IT WAS ACTUALLY A TEAMMATE.
THE RED AND WHITE TEAM CANADA
GAMES CAN GET PRETTY INTENSE.
IT WAS DURING TRYOUTS AND, YOU
KNOW, STUFF HAPPENS.

Steve says YIKES.
OKAY, ANDREW.
YOU'VE HAD ONE, RIGHT?

The caption changes to "Andrew Lue. Ottawa Redblacks."

Andrew says I'VE ONLY HAD
ONE WHEN I WAS 20.
MINE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM
EVERYBODY ELSE'S BECAUSE I'VE
HAD NO LONG-LASTING CHRONIC
EFFECTS.
I WAS ACTUALLY IN A FOOTBALL
GAME AT UNIVERSITY.
I DID THE HIT ON THE PLAYER AND
THEN I BLACKED OUT.
NEXT THING I REMEMBER I WAS
SITTING ON THE SIDE LINE.
I PLAYED THREE MORE PLAYS AFTER
THAT.
MY BODY WAS KIND OF ON AUTO
PILOT.
AND IT TOOK A COUPLE OF MY
TEAMMATES AND MY COACH TO
ACTUALLY PULL ME OUT.
THEY TOOK ME OUT OF THE GAME,
PUT ME THROUGH THE RECOVERY
PROTOCOL, AND I WAS ABLE TO PLAY
TWO WEEKS LATER.

Steve says OF WHAT UNIVERSITY?

Andrew says QUEENS UNIVERSITY.

Steve says AND YOU WERE HOW OLD?

Andrew says I WAS 20 AT THE TIME.

Steve says 20.
HOW OLD ARE YOU NOW?

Andrew says I'M 26 AS OF LAST WEEK.

Steve says YOU PLAYED
PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL?

Andrew says YES.

Steve says AND NO AFTER-EFFECTS
SINCE THEN.

Andrew says NO.

Steve says WOW.

Andrew says IT SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT
CONCUSSIONS ARE SO DIFFERENT,
RIGHT, CASE TO CASE, RIGHT?

Steve says KERRY GOULET, TELL US.

The caption changes to "Kerry Goulet. Former European Professional Hockey Plater."

Kerry says WELL, IT'S BEEN A LONG JOURNEY.
I'M THE OLD STATESMAN ON THE
PANEL HERE.
58.
WHEN YOU ASK HOW MANY.
I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW THAT I HAD THREE
DOCUMENTED.
MY FIRST BEING THAT I RECALL THE
WORST, IT SENT ME BACK INTO
DEPRESSION, SUICIDAL THOUGHTS.
ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU HEAR
ABOUT THAT ARE SO DEVASTATING,
THIS DARK TUNNEL, NOT BEING...
NOT KNOWING WHEN IT'S GOING TO
END.
AND I GOT LUCKY.
I'M A VERY, VERY LUCKY GUY
BECAUSE I GOT THROUGH IT,
UNSCATHED SOMEWHAT, LET'S SAY.
I HAVE MEMORY ISSUES RIGHT NOW.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT I'M LEADING
A PRETTY GOOD LIFE AND I'M
HELPING OBVIOUSLY EDUCATE PEOPLE
ON THE CAUSES AND CONSEQUENCES
OF IT.
I THINK WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT
FROM ALL OF THIS IS WE ALL HAVE
PERSONAL JOURNEYS AND THESE
JOURNEYS CAN REALLY HELP THE
FUTURE ATHLETES AND PEOPLE TO
UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE NOT
ALONE.
WE'RE ALL HERE TO HELP.
THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE WITH YOU
TODAY.

Steve says LET'S GET SOME
UNDERSTANDING OF WHETHER OR NOT
THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE,
EITHER THE TRAINER, THE COACHES,
THE PEOPLE ON THE BENCH, DID
WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO OR
EVEN KNEW WHAT THEY WERE
SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN IT HAPPENED.
JACKLYN, HOW ABOUT FOR YOU?

The caption changes to "Jacklyn Selfe. Kahunaverse Sports Group."

Jacklyn says I GOT HIT,
KNOCKED DOWN TO THE GROUND, AND
PULLED OUT OF THE GAME.
DON'T REALLY REMEMBER MUCH OF
THAT.
MY PARENTS ACTUALLY WERE THE
ONES TO TAKE ME TO THE HOSPITAL
THAT NIGHT, BUT JUST BECAUSE
THEY FELT LIKE, OH, THAT'S WHAT
WE SHOULD HAVE DONE.
HAULED INTO THE EMERGENCY ROOM.
SUCH A LONG WAIT.
WE ACTUALLY LEFT.
THAT'S HOW MUCH WE WERE UNSURE
OF WHAT TO DO.

Steve says YOU DIDN'T EVEN GET SEEN?

Jacklyn says DIDN'T GET SEEN.
WENT BACK TO WESTERN.
SAW A FAMILY DOCTOR ACTUALLY
FIRST AND WENT BACK TO WESTERN
AND I WAS RUNNING JUST BECAUSE I
CHOSE TO, WITHIN A WEEK.
WHICH WAS DEFINITELY NOT THE
RIGHT CHOICE AND WAS A BIG STEP
BACK.
YEAH, NOT THE PERFECT CHOICE FOR
SURE.

Steve says ROSEN, HOW ABOUT
YOU?

Paul says I HAVE TWO
STORIES DIFFERENT FROM EACH
OTHER.
HOCKEY CANADA... AND I THINK
HOCKEY CANADA HAS COME A LONG
WAY, AND I THINK YOU'D AGREE
WITH ME, FROM WHEN IT FIRST
HAPPENED.
IN SALT LAKE CITY IN 2002, I
REMEMBER A PLAYER ON THE ESTONIA
TEAM CATCHING ME IN THE SIDE OF
THE FACE WITH HIS SLED.
I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER MUCH
ABOUT THE EVENT BUT I DO
REMEMBER IT WAS THAT SUCK-IT-UP
MENTALITY, WE NEED YOU BACK IN
THE LINEUP, WHERE THAT IS
TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT
HAPPENS NOW.
ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, I WAS
UMPIRING A HIGH-LEVEL FAST PITCH
AND I TOOK A FOUL BALL IN THE
CHIN, AND I WENT OUT.
THE ONLY THING THAT SAVED ME
FROM REAL INJURY WAS THE
CATCHER, I FELL ON TOP OF THE
CATCHER, AND I REMEMBER ONE OF
THE COACHES ON THE OTHER TEAM,
HIS GIRLFRIEND WAS THERE, AND
SHE IS A NURSE, AND SHE PULLED
ME RIGHT OUT.
SHE SAID HE'S NOT UMPING
ANYMORE.
SO WE'VE CHANGED QUITE A BIT ON
THE WAY PEOPLE LOOK AT THINGS
AND LOOK AT THE WAY THEY'RE
GOING TO ALLOW THINGS TO HAPPEN.
BACK THEN, IT WAS "I'M SORRY, WE
NEED YOU TO PLAY."

Steve says WOULD YOU ECHO THAT?
I KNOW BACK IN THE DAY THE IDEA
WAS, HE GOT HIS BELL RUNG, SEND
HIM BACK IN THERE.
DID YOU FACE ANY OF THAT?

The caption changes to "Katie Weatherston. Olympic Gold Medallist."

Katie says I
THINK... I MEAN, I THINK MY
DOCTORS MADE A MISTAKE.
I MADE A MISTAKE.
IT WAS AGAIN WITH HOCKEY CANADA.
I DID WHAT MOST PLAYERS DON'T
DO.
I TURNED TO MY TEAMMATE AND I
SAID, I GOT HIT PRETTY HARD.
HOW DO MY EYES LOOK?
AND SHE SAID GO GET CHECKED OUT
BY THE DOCTOR.
SO I WENT TO THE DOCTOR.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS AN
IMPORTANT GAME, RIGHT?
IT WAS A RED AND WHITE GAME.

Steve says INTRASQUAD GAME.

Katie says INTRASQUAD GAME.
IT WAS 2006, KENORA, AFTER THE
OLYMPICS, PLAYING SOME OF THE
BEST HOCKEY OF MY CAREER, AND
PUTTING ME BACK IN THE GAME WAS
THE WORST DECISION, AND I THINK
IT'S POTENTIALLY RUINED...

A picture pops up briefly of two women on a hockey rink. They wear different colours. One falls.

Steve says DO YOU RECOGNIZE
ANYBODY IN THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE?

Katie says YEAH.
I MEAN, IT'S... I ALWAYS... YOU
KNOW, I TELL PEOPLE, I'M SO
HAPPY AND PROUD I WENT TO THE
OLYMPICS, WON A GOLD MEDAL.
BUT IF I COULD HAVE MY HEALTH
BACK, I'D GIVE IT ALL BACK.
THAT'S HOW MUCH CONCUSSIONS CAN
REALLY IMPACT YOUR LIFE AND
CHANGE THINGS.

Steve says YOU WOULD GIVE BACK
THE MEDAL, GIVE BACK THE OLYMPIC
EXPERIENCE, NOT TO SUFFER WHAT
YOU'RE SUFFERING NOW.

Katie says ABSOLUTELY.
YEAH.
IT'S BEEN A LONG, DARK ROAD,
NINE YEARS.
IT'S TOUGH.
I THINK IT WAS THAT ONE DECISION
TO PUT ME BACK IN THE GAME AND
THAT'S WHY I THINK I WANT TO
EDUCATE SO MANY PEOPLE AND TELL
THEM, THIS HAPPENED TO ME.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN TO
YOUR KIDS.
IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
YOU ONLY HAVE ONE HEAD.
YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
SO THAT WAS THE BIG MISTAKE FOR ME.

Steve says YOURS WAS IN
UNIVERSITY FOOTBALL?

Andrew says YES.

Steve says I CAN'T IMAGINE THEY
HAD IN PLACE THE RESOURCES OR
THE PROTOCOLS BACK THEN TO
HANDLE THIS.
DID THEY?

The caption changes to "Andrew Lue. Concussion Legacy Foundation Canada."

Andrew says APPARENTLY THEY
DID, ACCORDING TO MY SCENARIO,
RIGHT?
I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING
WAS PULLING ME FROM PLAY, AND I
THINK EVERYONE WILL KIND OF
RECIPROCATE THAT.
REDUCING EXPOSURE CAN SAVE A
LIFE, ULTIMATELY, LIKE SECOND
IMPACT SYNDROME.
PULLING ME FROM THE GAME AND,
LIKE I SAID, I DON'T REALLY
REMEMBER MUCH ABOUT THE
PROTOCOL, BUT ERRING ON THE SIDE
OF SAFETY IS A GOOD PLACE TO
START.

Steve says WHOSE DECISION WAS
IT TO PULL YOU FROM THE GAME?

Andrew says I THINK ULTIMATELY IT WAS MY COACH BUT MY TEAMMATES,
ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY TOLD ME,
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WENT TO MY
COACH AND TOLD HIM SOMETHING WAS
WRONG WITH ME.

Steve says DON'T PUT HIM BACK IN?

Andrew says THEY LITERALLY TOOK MY
HELMET, IT'S A FIGURE OF SPEECH,
BUT THEY LITERALLY TOOK MY
HELMET AWAY FROM ME.
I WANTED TO KEEP PLAYING.
I DIDN'T HAVE MY BEARINGS.
AND A LOT OF ATHLETES WILL KIND
OF BE LIKE THAT WHEN THEY'RE I
GUESS COGNITIVELY INCAPACITATED.
THEY'LL WANT TO KEEP PLAYING
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE BODY
DOES.
SO IT TOOK A TEAMMATE AND A
COACH SO SAY, NO, THIS CAN'T GO ON.

Steve says I DON'T WANT TO
OVERSTATE THIS, BUT YOU KIND OF
OWE YOUR CAREER TO THOSE PEOPLE,
DON'T YOU?

Andrew says OH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
THE RISK... OR WHAT COULD HAVE
HAPPENED, WE DON'T KNOW THE
CONSEQUENCES.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY
SEVERE.
I DO OWE IT TO THEM.
I'M STILL REALLY GOOD FRIENDS
WITH A LOT OF THEM TODAY.

Steve says KERRY, HOW IS YOUR
LIFE DIFFERENT NOW, ALL THOSE
CONCUSSIONS LATER, INASMUCH AS
WHAT CAN'T YOU DO AS WELL THAT
YOU USED TO DO WELL WITHOUT
THINKING TWICE ABOUT IT?

The caption changes to "Kerry Goulet. Stopconcussions.com"
Then, it changes again to "The aftermath."

Kerry says WE DON'T KNOW
IF IT IS AGE-RELATED.
MY MEMORY HAS DEFINITELY
CHANGED.
MOOD SWINGS MORE.
I'M DEFINITELY A HAPPY-GO-LUCKY
GUY.
I THINK SLEEP PATTERNS.
I SLEEP MAYBE THREE OR FOUR
HOURS A NIGHT IN CONTINUOUS
FASHION UP.
I MAYBE GET FOUR OR FIVE GOOD
HOURS OF SLEEP.
THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT'S
REALLY PLAGUED ME WAS SLEEP.
IF I COULD JUST SAY, WE ALL HAVE
AGAIN THESE JOURNEYS.
I HAD TWO... I'M JUST GOING TO
GIVE YOU THE ONE THAT REALLY
CHANGED THE WAY... IT WAS 1988,
HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY FOR
THE WINNIPEG JETS.
DIDN'T MAKE IT.
GOT A CHANCE TO PLAY OVER IN
GERMANY AND SO EXCITED, IT WAS
MY SECOND GAME THERE.

Steve says THEY GAVE YOU A
NAME?

Kerry says GOOCH.

Steve says AREN'T YOU MR. ICE
HOCKEY?

Kerry says I THINK THAT WAS MY MOM.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I NEVER LIVED THAT ONE DOWN.
THEY KIND OF WANTED TO CALL ME
THAT BECAUSE OF THE GRETZKY
FACTOR.
AT NO TIME WAS I EVEN CLOSE TO
WAYNE GRETZKY.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY ON THIS ONE
IS I WAS GOING AROUND THE
DEFENCE... I WAS WEARING
GRETZKY'S HELMET, I HAD THE
SWEATER TUCKED IN, 2400 FANS,
THE SECOND GAME.
OPENED UP TO TAKE A SHOT.
AS I WAS SHOOTING THE DEFENCEMAN
TOOK MY FEET OUT FROM ME.
THEY SAY I SLID INTO THE BOARDS.
I WAS LUCKY I GOT TURNED AND HIT
THE SHOULDER AND THE HEAD.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS, THEY SAY I
WOKE UP IN THE HOSPITAL.
IT MUST HAVE BEEN 40 MINUTES I
WAS OUT.
WOKE UP, STANDING OVERTOP OF ME
WERE FIVE GERMAN DOCTORS, ONLY
GETTING THERE TWO WEEKS, ONLY
NEW HOGAN'S HEROS GERMAN.
NOBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT MY
HEAD.
THEY WERE LOOKING AT MY
SHOULDER.
THEY WANTED ME TO STAY THERE.
IT HAPPENED ON A SUNDAY.
MY MOTHER WAS FLYING INTO
SCHIPOL AIRPORT.
I THREW MY HOSPITAL GEAR DOWN.
DIDN'T WANT TO THINK I WAS A
DOCTOR.
RACED THERE, PICKED HER UP.
DRIVING BACK HOME I DECIDED I'M
NOT GOING BACK.
I DIDN'T GO BACK TO THE
HOSPITAL.
KEPT ON PLAYING FRIDAY, SUNDAY,
FRIDAY, SUNDAY.
18 MONTHS LATER IN WINNIPEG
SITTING AT HOME I REALIZED
SOMETHING WAS WRONG.
I ENDED UP IN THE PSYCH WARD FOR
TWO DAYS.
THEY BASICALLY ATTRIBUTED IT TO
DEPRESSION.
I DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE NATIONAL
HOCKEY LEAGUE.
I HAD CARS AND PARTIES AND FUN.
THEY SAID I WAS DEPRESSED.
THREW ME ON AN ANTIDEPRESSANT
DRUG.
GOT THROUGH IT, THREW AWAY, AND
HERE I AM TODAY.
HOPEFULLY BETTER.

Steve says CAN YOU STILL PLAY HOCKEY?

Kerry says PLAYED YESTERDAY.

Andrew says DEBATABLE.

Kerry says I'VE GOT THE GREATEST MOVES STANDING STILL.
YEAH, I LOVE IT.

Steve says CAN YOU STILL PLAY
BASKETBALL?

Jacklyn says NO.

Steve says HOW OLD WERE YOU
WHEN YOU PLAYED YOUR LAST GAME?

Jacklyn says 20 YEARS OLD.
I THINK I'M TRULY AFFECTED BY...
I'M DAY TO DAY.
I'M EIGHT YEARS DOWN THE LINE.
I WOULD DO THE SAME.
I WOULD GIVE IT ALL BACK TO NOT
FEEL THE WAY I FEEL NOW.

Steve says HOW HEARTBREAKING IS
IT TO NOT PLAY THAT SPORT YOU
LOVE SO MUCH, RIGHT?

Jacklyn says FOR SURE.
SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE
STILL FROM SPORT.
SPORT HAS GIVEN ME TONS OF
OPPORTUNITIES.
I'D GIVE BACK MY DIVISION ONE
SCHOLARSHIP, I'D GIVE BACK MY
TIME AT WESTERN.
THAT SAYS A LOT, I THINK.

In a picture, Jacklyn holds a basketball on the court during a game as an auburn-haired opponent approaches.

Steve says RECOGNIZE HER?

Jacklyn says YES.

Steve says SO YOU CAN'T GO IN
THE BACK YARD AND SHOOT HOOPS ON
A BACK BOARD?

The caption changes to "Jacklyn Selfe, @Jselfe31."

Jacklyn says I WOULDN'T GO WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE.
IT'S THAT TRUST OF OTHER PEOPLE
AROUND ME, RIGHT?
I DON'T... I USED TO SKI A LOT
TOO.
I DON'T DO THAT.
JUST WORRIED ABOUT... I CAN
TRUST MYSELF TO GO DOWN THE HILL
BECAUSE I CAN GO AT MY OWN PACE.
BUT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF OTHER
PEOPLE ON THE HILL TOO.
IT AFFECTS DAY TO DAY FOR SURE.

Steve says KATIE, WHAT KIND OF
IMPACT ON YOUR MOODS HAS BEING
CONCUSSED HAD?

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Katie says I MEAN,
IT'S BEEN HEARTBREAKING.
A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, MENTAL
HEALTH I THINK GOES... IT GOES
WITH THE TERRITORY.
WHEN YOU HAVE A CONCUSSION, I
ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, WATCH OUT
FOR DEPRESSION, ANXIETY, AND FOR
ME IT'S BEEN, LIKE YOU SAID, A
LONG JOURNEY OF JUST THE
GRIEVING PROCESS.
LIFE'S COMPLETELY CHANGED.
I HAVE NOT... I CAN BARELY, YOU
KNOW, EXERCISE.

The caption changes to "Mental health."

Steve says YOU'RE NOT BACK ON
SKATES AT ALL?

Katie says I'M ON SKATES BUT I CAN ONLY
GET MY HEART RATE UP TO A
CERTAIN POINT.
YOU KNOW, THE AIRPLANE
EAR-POPPING COMES BACK,
HEADACHES, EVEN NAUSEA.

Steve says YOU'RE NOT PLAYING
HOCKEY.

Katie says NO, I'M NOT.
I WOULD LIKE TO START PLAYING
JUST A LITTLE BIT OF PICKUP.
I PLAYED IN OUR ALUMNI GAMES AT
SCHOOL, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY
TWO TIMES I'VE BEEN ON THE ICE,
NOT PLAYING A GAME IN THE LAST
NINE YEARS.

Steve says HOW WAS IT?

Katie says I HAD A SMILE, YOU KNOW,
CONSTANT SMILE.
SO I'D LIKE TO TRY TO GET BACK
INTO IT.
AGAIN, IT'S THE TRUST.
I'VE HAD TO GIVE UP
SNOWBOARDING.
I BOUGHT A PAIR OF SKIS ONE YEAR
THINKING THIS IS IT.
I'M GOING TO GO SKIING.
I CAN'T RISK FALLING.
IT'S TOUGH WHEN YOU CAN'T DO THE
THINGS YOU ONCE LOVED TO DO AND,
YOU KNOW, I CAN'T IMAGINE GOING
THROUGH THAT AS A YOUNG CHILD
TOO.
SO I RUN A LOT OF HOCKEY CAMPS
AND THESE KIDS THAT JUST GO
STIR-CRAZY, RIGHT?
IT DEFINITELY AFFECTS YOUR
MENTAL HEALTH FOR SURE.

Steve says ARE YOU IN PAIN
RIGHT NOW?

Katie says YEAH, I'M IN PAIN EVERY DAY.
I HAVE CHRONIC PAIN NOW.
I HAVE TWO PARTIALLY TORN JAW
DISKS FROM MY BIKE CRASH AND I
GET... YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO
TELL IF IT'S TENSION HEADACHES,
CONSTANT NECK PAIN.
JUST A LOT OF PAIN MANAGEMENT
RIGHT NOW AND HOPING THAT, YOU
KNOW, SOMEONE'S ABLE TO HELP ME
A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT I'VE
BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH.
IT'S BEEN BABY STEPS FOR THE
LAST EIGHT YEARS.
BUT ONE BIG THING THAT I'M
REALLY HOPEFUL OF IS THIS NEW
THEORY ON THE EYES.
THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH
OUR EYES.
I WAS JUST TOLD MY EYES WERE
ABOUT A SEVEN OUT OF TEN.
THEY'RE PRETTY BAD.
SO I'M GETTING GLASSES WITH
PRISMS PUT IN THEM AND BINOCULAR
OCCLUSION, IT'S CALLED.
THAT HELPS TAKE AWAY THE RYE
STRAIN.

Kerry says CAN I SAY...

Steve says SURE.

The caption changes to "Kerry Goulet, @kerrygoulet."

Kerry says I FEEL ACTUALLY BLESSED THAT
IT HAPPENED TO ME AND I KNOW A
LOT OF PEOPLE THINK, WOW, THAT'S
STRANGE TO HEAR.
BUT IT'S GIVEN ME A PURPOSE IN
LIFE, GIVEN ME A JOURNEY.
BECAUSE MY CAREER ENDED AT 41.
COMING BACK FROM GERMANY, I
PASSED GRADE 12 BY GETTING
THROUGH GRADE 6 TWICE.
I WASN'T THAT EDUCATED.
SO WHEN I GOT BACK AT 41, I
REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
SO I TOOK MY JOURNEY AND WAS
ABLE TO HOPEFULLY HELP PEOPLE
AND, YOU KNOW, SCOTT HALLER WHO
DEALS WITH EYE TRACKING, IT'S SO
IMPORTANT.
WE DID AN EVENT YESTERDAY WITH
EMS OUT IN NIAGARA.
WE GOT SO MANY PEOPLE ACTIVATED
TO HELP US ALL DO THIS.
AND HAD I NOT EXPERIENCED THAT,
I MAY HAVE JUST GONE THROUGH
LIFE... YOU KNOW, I COULD HAVE
BEEN A USED CAR SALESMAN, I
COULD HAVE BEEN SELLING WHAT...
I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS
DOING.
NOW I HAVE A PURPOSE.
I HAVE A PURPOSE THAT I DON'T
WANT PEOPLE TO SUFFER LIKE WE'VE
SUFFERED.
I'M ACTUALLY ABLE TO SKATE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS
INCREDIBLE, WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT IT, KEITH AND I WROTE A
BOOK.

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Steve says WE SHOULD SAY, THIS
WAS KEITH PRIMEAU WHO PLAYED IN
THE NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE FOR
THE PHILADELPHIA FLYERS.

Kerry says A GHOST WRITER.

Steve says HOW MANY CONCUSSIONS
DID HE HAVE?

Kerry says HIS WAS FOUR.
HIS WAS FOUR.
LISTEN, HE MADE MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
IT TOOK HIM SEVEN YEARS.
I WAS WITH HIM THROUGHOUT PART
OF THE JOURNEY.
IT WAS INCREDIBLE.
I JUST WANTED TO SHOW WHAT
HAPPENS.
I DIDN'T... WHEN WE WROTE THIS
BOOK, THEY ASKED FOR PICTURES.
SO A GERMAN PHOTOGRAPHER SENT
THIS OVER AND IT'S A PICTURE
WITH ME AND MY EYES... IF IT WAS
IN COLOUR, YOU WOULD SEE...

He holds up a book open on a page that shows a black and white picture of an injured hockey player being assisted by several men.

Steve says IS THAT YOU?

Kerry says THAT'S ME.

Steve says AND YOU WERE RIGHT
OUT OF IT.

Kerry says THE GENTLEMAN ON MY LEFT GOT ME UP TO MY FEET.
AS WE PROBABLY KNOW, HE SHOOK
ME, SAID, GOOCH, WHAT'S GOING
ON?
I GOT BACK TO THE BENCH, SIX
SMELLING SALTS LATER, I WAS A
PLAYER COACH.
I DIDN'T MISS A SHIFT.
I CONTINUED ON PLAYING.
THAT WAS MY SECOND DIAGNOSIS.
SO WHAT I THINK REALLY HAPPENS
HERE, WE WANT THAT LIGHT SWITCH.
WE WANT IT TO JUST GO AWAY.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ISN'T A
PILL.
THERE ISN'T A MEDICAL PROCESS
RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
SO COLLECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE
GOING TO DO THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE OUR ATHLETES
SAFER.

Steve says I WANT TO GET YOU,
PAUL, IF YOU WOULD, TO COMPARE
AND CONTRAST.
YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH TWO
TRAUMATIC SESSIONS.
YOU'VE HAD ALL THE CONCUSSIONS
AND LOST A LEG AFTER YOU WERE IN
HOSPITAL FOR SURGERY AND GOT AN
INFECTION, YOU LOST THE LEG AS A
RESULT.
WHICH ONE OF THOSE TWO TRAUMAS
HAS ACTUALLY BEEN MORE DIFFICULT
TO COME BACK FROM?

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Paul says THE CONCUSSION.
I BROKE MY LEG SEVERELY IN THE
'70s AND THEN IN '97, I HAD A
KNEE REPLACEMENT.
PICKED UP AN OPERATING ROOM
INFECTION.
ONE IN A MILLION.
AND THEN AFTER A TON OF
SURGERIES, I ENDED UP IN JUNE OF
'99, THEY ENDED UP HAVING TO
AMPUTATE MY LEG JUST BELOW THE
HIP.
OTHERWISE, I WAS GOING TO DIE.
SO I HAD MY LEG AMPUTATED ON
JUNE 9TH, 1999.
FROM JUNE 10TH UNTIL TODAY, I'VE
NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH MY LEG.
I LOST MY LEG.
I WENT ON WITH MY LIFE.
I'VE DONE INCREDIBLE THINGS
SINCE I LOST MY LEG.
BUT THE CONCUSSION AND THE
THINGS AFTER THE CONCUSSIONS ARE
THINGS I'M STILL LIVING WITH
TODAY.
I HAVE THREE KIDS IN THEIR
30s.
MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WHO IS 30,
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM SHE HAS IS I
FORGET EVERYTHING.
UNLESS I WRITE IT DOWN I WILL
MISS LUNCH EVENTS WITH HER AND
MY KIDS FIND IT SO DIFFICULT TO
DEAL WITH ME WHEN IT'S NOT
REALLY ME.

Steve says CAN I ASK YOU A BIT
OF A PERSONAL QUESTION?

Paul says ABSOLUTELY.

Steve says NOT THAT THESE
QUESTIONS SO FAR HAVEN'T BEEN
PERSONAL.
YOU'RE A SINGLE MAN.

Paul says YES.

Steve says CAN YOU DATE?

Paul says IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
I'VE BEEN DIVORCED 11, ALMOST 12
YEARS.
MY WIFE AND I WERE CHILDHOOD
SWEETHEARTS.
WHEN ALL THIS STARTED HAPPENING
TO ME AFTER I LOST MY LEG, SHE
COULDN'T TAKE IT.
I DON'T BLAME HER.
WE'RE STILL FRIENDS TO THIS DAY.
BUT I'VE HAD DIFFICULTY GETTING
INTO A RELATIONSHIP AND IT ENDS
AFTER TWO OR THREE MONTHS
BECAUSE I TURN INTO A DIFFERENT
PERSON AND MY KIDS ARE THE ONES
THAT TELL ME, THERE'S NO WAY SHE
COULD TAKE THAT.
THEY'RE LIKE TODAY YOU'RE
MR. HAPPY AND THE GREATEST GUY
IN THE WORLD.
AND TOMORROW YOU'LL LOCK
YOURSELF IN YOUR APARTMENT AND
DON'T COME OUT FOR THREE DAYS.

Steve says THAT'S WHAT I DON'T
GET.
IN OUR EXPERIENCE HERE TODAY,
YOU ARE MR. PERSONALITY.

Paul says ABSOLUTELY.
BUT TOMORROW I MIGHT NOT BE.
TOMORROW I MIGHT BE IN MY
APARTMENT WITH THE BLINDS SHUT
AND NOT COME OUT FOR TWO, THREE
DAYS.

Kerry says I LIVED WITH
PAUL.
HE'S ONE OF OUR BEST
AMBASSADORS.
WE TRAVELLED THE WORLD.
HE'S COMING WITH US IN AUGUST...
SORRY, IN JULY, TO OUR EVENT IN
AUSTRALIA.
I'LL ACTUALLY BE WITH CHRIS
NOWINSKI WHO RUNS PART OF YOUR
ORGANIZATION.
I'M AROUND PAUL A LOT AND IT'S
DEAD ON.
THIS GUY IS TOP OF THE WORLD OR
BOTTOM OF THE BARREL.
I KNOW HE STRUGGLES A LOT.
BUT WHAT HE DOES, INSPIRATION
THAT YOU DO, NOT ONLY LOSING A
LEG BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WHAT
HE'S DONE WITH ALL THE TRIALS
AND TRIBULATIONS OF THE
CONCUSSIONS HE'S SUFFERED.
MAN, IT'S A TRUE HONOUR TO HAVE
HIM AS AN AMBASSADOR.

Steve says ANDREW, DO YOU THINK
PROFESSIONAL SPORTS THESE DAYS,
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ONE YOU
PLAY, CFL FOOTBALL, IS
ADEQUATELY SEIZED OF THIS ISSUE?

Andrew says I DON'T THINK
SPORTS WILL EVER BE DEVOID OF
RISK OF CONCUSSIONS, HONESTLY.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO AS MUCH AS
WE CAN TO MANAGE AND PREVENT IT
IN ALL FACETS OF IT.
WE WERE TALKING EARLIER AND I
SAID, SPORTS, IT'S KIND OF LIKE
DRIVING A CAR.
JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE CAR
ACCIDENTS, WE DON'T STOP.

Steve says YOU WANT TO KNOW IF
YOU'VE BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT THAT
THERE IS INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE
TO TAKE CARE OF YOU.

Andrew says ABSOLUTELY.

Steve says DO YOU THINK THAT'S
IN PLACE IN SPORTS TODAY?

Andrew says I THINK THAT WE'RE GETTING THERE.
THERE CAN ALWAYS BE MORE DONE
FOR ANY INJURY.
I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO
BE AS PROACTIVE AS WE CAN.
BECAUSE THE RESEARCH AND THE
LITERATURE CHANGES SO QUICKLY,
RIGHT?
I THINK HAVING SAFETY PROTOCOLS
IN PLACE WILL CONTINUE TO
ENCOURAGE SPORT.
WE NEVER WANT TO LOSE SPORT.
WE'VE ALL TOUCHED ON HOW IT'S
IMPACTED OUR LIVES.
BUT THERE IS AN INHERENT RISK TO
IT.

Steve says I ASK BECAUSE THE
COMMISSIONER OF THE CANADIAN
FOOTBALL LEAGUE, WHO IS A FORMER
PLAYER, SO HE KNOWS WHEREOF HE
SPEAKS, HE PLAYED THE GAME, IS
NOT CONVINCED THERE'S A LINK
BETWEEN PLAYING PROFESSIONAL
FOOTBALL AND CTE?

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Andrew says I THINK SPORTS AND FOOTBALL
ALONE IS A SPORT LIKE BESIDES
BEING PROFESSIONAL, IF YOU LOOK
AT THE DATA, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE
THAT THERE IS AN INCREASED
EXPOSURE AND INCREASED, LIKE,
CASES THAT COME FROM IT, RIGHT?
WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE
PROFESSIONAL LEVEL BECAUSE
THAT'S WHAT GETS THE MOST
EXPOSURE.
BUT WE WANT TO PROTECT YOUTH AND
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY
HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO PLAY
BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE GOOD THAT
SPORT CAN BRING TO THEIR LIVES
AND ENRICH THEIR LIVES.

Steve says LET ME TRY KATIE ON
THIS.
I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU, HOCKEY
IS THE SPORT IN OUR COUNTRY THAT
GETS CRITICIZED THE MOST OFTEN
FOR HAVING ITS HEAD IN THE SAND
AS IT RELATES TO WHAT IT WILL
TOLERATE IN THE INTERESTS OF
ENTERTAINMENT.
YOU KNOW, FIGHTING, HEAD SHOTS,
ETC.
KEN DRYDEN CAME OUT WITH A
FANTASTIC BOOK, HE WAS ON THIS
PROGRAM, TALKING ABOUT HOW HE
STILL CAN'T GET GARY BETTMAN,
THE COMMISSIONER OF THE NFL, TO
UNDERSTAND HE'S GOT A TICKING
TIME BOMB ON HIS HANDS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Katie says OH, ABSOLUTELY.
THE GIRLS' GAME IS PRETTY
AGGRESSIVE, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE
NOT DROPPING THE GLOVES, RIPPING
OFF OUR HELMETS AND FIGHTING.
WATCHING THOSE GUYS FIGHT ON TV
AND FALL BACK AND HIT THEIR
HEAD, YOU KNOW WHAT'S COMING.
I MEAN, A LOT MORE HAS TO BE
DONE.
STILL THIS PAST SUMMER, YOU
KNOW, I RUN HOCKEY CAMPS.
I SEE KIDS GET CONCUSSIONS EVERY
SUMMER, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT
DON'T HAVE THE BALANCE.
IF ANYTHING, I SEE THE YOUNG
BEGINNERS MORE AT RISK THAN
ALMOST ANYONE, AS WELL AS
PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES.
BUT THEY'LL FALL BACK AND HIT
THEIR HEAD AND THEIR PARENTS
WILL BE, OH, JUST GET BACK INTO
THE GAME OR ONE GIRL GOT A
CONCUSSION AND THE DOCTOR SAID,
JUST REST UNTIL YOU'RE BETTER
AND THEN YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, GET
BACK TO EXERCISING.
THE FIRST THING SHE DID WAS GO
FOR A RUN.
MY JAW DROPPED.
I WAS LIKE, THE POUNDING, THE
HEEL STRIKE ON YOUR HEAD, THAT'S
NO WAY TO COME BACK FROM A
CONCUSSION.
THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE A LOT
MORE CONCUSSION AWARENESS OUT
THERE.

Kerry says WE DON'T WANT
OUR KIDS PLAYING SPORT THAT WAY.
WE WANT THEM TO BE HEALTHIER AND
LIVE LIVES LIKE WE'RE NOW
LIVING.
WE PUT TOGETHER THIS PLATFORM
AND SOME OF THE PANELISTS CAN
JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON WITH THIS,
WE HAVE TO START PREVENTING SOME
OF THESE INJURIES.
AND WE CAN.

Steve says WOULD YOU BAN
FIGHTING IN THE NHL?

Kerry says ABSOLUTELY.
I WASN'T A TOUGH GUY.
ANYWAYS... I WAS MORE OF A
LOVER.
REALISTICALLY, WE KNOW, WHAT'S
THE INTENT OF A FIGHT,
REALISTICALLY, AT THE END OF THE
DAY?
IT'S TO KNOCK THE OTHER PERSON
OUT.
OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW HOW BAD THAT
IS.
WE'VE HAD IT HAPPEN TO US
ACCIDENTALLY.
YES, I WOULD DO THAT.
I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE
UNDERSTAND THE CAUSE, EFFECT,
AND CONSEQUENCES, BUT MOST
IMPORTANTLY, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE
INJURY ANYMORE, IT'S ABOUT BEING
ABLE TO DIAGNOSE IT PROPERLY,
MANAGE IT PROPERLY.
LET'S GET EVERYBODY AROUND THE
TABLE, NEUROLOGISTS,
CHIROPRACTORS OSTEOPATHS.
WHY ARE WE SUING?
SPORT IS THE BEST THING WE COULD
ASK FOR.
IT'S GIVEN ME EVERYTHING.
I WOULD NOT WANT TO GIVE IT
BACK.
I DON'T WANT ANY CHILD TO GO
THROUGH WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING
THROUGH.
LET'S GET TOGETHER AND SOLVE
THIS TOGETHER.

Steve says JACKLYN, THE NEW
NORMAL OF YOUR LIFE IS A LOT
DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN TEN YEARS AGO WHEN YOU
COULD GO BACK, DO WHATEVER YOU
WANT, PLAY HARD, BASKETBALL,
WHATEVER.
HAVE YOU ACCEPTED YOUR NEW NORMAL?

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Jacklyn says I DON'T
THINK I HAD A CHOICE.
IT TOOK A WHILE TO COME TO THAT
POINT.
I THINK I WAS STRIVING TO GET TO
100 PERCENT FOR WAY TOO LONG.
SO MAYBE MY NORMAL NOW IS, I
HAVE A MILD HEADACHE FOR MOST OF
THE WEEK, OR I DO... I'LL GET
MIGRAINES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR,
WHICH I NEVER HAD BEFORE.
MY NORMAL IS MAYBE A CONCERT IS
A BIT TOUGH SOMETIMES.

Steve says YOU CAN'T REALLY GO
TO A ROCK 'N' ROLL SHOW, CAN
YOU, WHERE THEY'RE JUST BLASTING...

Jacklyn says I COULD GO.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE
THE BEST CHOICE.
WHAT'S THE CONSEQUENCE FROM
GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
SO NORMAL HAS CHANGED.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
I GO FOR TREATMENT.
I MANAGE IT.
I MANAGE MY NEW NORMAL.

Steve says DO YOU EXPECT IT TO
BE THIS WAY FOR THE REST OF YOUR
LIFE?

Jacklyn says I THINK IT WILL BECAUSE I
THINK TO TRY TO STRIVE AGAIN FOR
THAT 100 PERCENT KIND OF MAKES
YOU FEEL... IT KEEPS YOU FALLING
BACK, RIGHT?

Steve says YOU'RE IN YOUR 20s?

Jacklyn says YEAH, I'M 27.

Steve says SO YOU COULD, I
MEAN... IT COULD BE 60 MORE YEARS?

Jacklyn says IT COULD BE.
I HOPE NOT, BUT... I THINK I
LOOK AT IT MORE ON A
WEEK-TO-WEEK OR MONTH-TO-MONTH
BASIS AS WELL, RIGHT?
I'LL LOOK BACK... IT KIND OF GOT
EXHAUSTING LOOKING AT, WHEN I
FIRST GOT HIT, HOW'S YOUR HEAD?
HOW'S YOUR HEAD?
HOW'S HOUR HEAD?
YOU'RE CONSTANTLY THINKING.
NOT GREAT.
NOT GREAT.
NOW I LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE.
THAT WAS A GOOD MONTH.
AND WHAT'S A GOOD MONTH FOR ME?
DIFFERENT THAN SOMEBODY ELSE.
BUT IT'S JUST A NEW NORMAL.

Steve says HOW ABOUT THE NEW
NORMAL THAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH?

Katie says LIKE I
SAID, IT'S BEEN NINE YEARS AND
I'M STILL LEARNING HOW TO COPE
AND DEAL WITH IT, AND I JUST
RECENTLY STARTED IN A CHRONIC
PAIN PROGRAM, SO... IT'S TOUGH,
THOUGH.
I'VE ACCEPTED THAT I MIGHT NOT
EVER GET BACK TO PLAYING
COMPETITIVE SPORTS AND DOING
THINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK I
STILL HAVE ACCEPTED THAT, YOU
KNOW, AT SOME POINT I WANT TO BE
ABLE TO EXERCISE AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, JUST DO SIMPLE THINGS,
LIKE HELP MY PARENTS BUILDING
THE COTTAGE, JUST BEING ABLE TO
CARRY THINGS WITHOUT GETTING A
HEADACHE.
I FEEL VERY SIMILAR TO JACKLYN.
IT'S BEEN ROUGH AT SUCH A YOUNG
AGE TOO.
AND I WAS AN EXTREME ATHLETE,
RIGHT?
I GO HOME AND PEOPLE SAID, I
CAN'T BELIEVE, YOU KNOW,
EVERYTHING HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM
YOU BECAUSE I PLAYED SOCCER,
HOCKEY.
SO IT'S BEEN HARD TO CHANGE WHEN
THAT BIG PIECE OF YOUR IDENTITY
IS NOW GONE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S POTENTIALLY,
YOU KNOW, 70 PERCENT OF YOUR
LIFE ALMOST.
YOU JUST HAVE TO LEARN TO FILL
YOUR BUCKET BACK IN WITH
DIFFERENT THINGS AND...

Steve says BUT NONE OF YOU CAN
GET TO WHERE YOU WANTED TO BE
WITHOUT THAT ABSOLUTELY BURNING,
INTENSE COMPETITIVE DRIVE INSIDE.
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT NOW?

Katie says SEE, THAT'S THE TOUGH PART, RIGHT?
BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST SO
DETERMINED TO GET BETTER.
AND SO FOR ME, I HAD MY
CONCUSSION AT THE WORST TIME, MY
LAST CONCUSSION, IT WAS DECEMBER
OF 2008.
THE NEXT DAY THE COACH, MELODY
DAVIDSON, WAS FLYING IN TO WATCH
ME PLAY.
I THOUGHT I'D PICK UP ICE
BEFORE.
I JUST GOT MINOR WHIPLASH.
DIDN'T EVEN HIT MY HEAD ON THE
ICE.
MY HEAD WAS ALREADY AN EGG AND I
FELT MY BRAIN GO SPLISH SPLOSH
FROM WHIPLASH.
OBVIOUSLY THE COACH WAS
DISAPPOINTING.
SHE FLEW ALL THE WAY FROM
CALGARY.
THAT WAS THE TIME WE WERE TRYING
TO PICK THE TEAM FOR THE
OLYMPICS IN VANCOUVER.
SO JUST THE MENTAL PIECE, NOT
KNOWING IF I WAS GOING TO GO TO
TRYOUTS, GET INVITED, NOT GET
INVITED, WHEN I WAS GOING TO GET
BETTER AND JUST TRYING TO FORCE
MYSELF TO GET BETTER.
I REMEMBER AT ONE POINT I WAS
TRAINING AGAIN AND MY TRAINER
HAD ME PUSHING A CAR OUT IN THE
PARKING LOT.
THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO
GET BACK FOR THE OLYMPICS, AND I
JUST FELT SOMETHING POP IN MY
HEAD AND IT JUST, LOOKING BACK,
YOU NEVER WANT TO BE LIFTING
WEIGHTS.
YOU WANT TO BE STARTING WITH
CARDIO.
THAT WAS ANOTHER MISTAKE TOO.
IT'S TOUGH AND I UNDERSTAND...
IT'S A BLIND DISABILITY,
BASICALLY, TOO.
AND THAT MAKES IT A HUGE
CHALLENGE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
BECAUSE EVERYONE LOOKS AT ME
AND, YOU LOOK SO HEALTHY.
YOU LOOK SO FIT.
YOU KNOW, SO THEY KIND OF JUDGE
YOU.
AND THEN YOU SHARE WITH THEM
YOUR STORY AND THEN THEY'RE
LIKE, MAN, I HAD NO IDEA THAT'S
WHAT YOUR LIFE WAS LIKE SO...

Steve says CAN YOU PLAY ANYMORE?

Paul says NO, NOT A CHANCE.
I DO THE TV END OF IT.
I JUST FINISHED A COMMENTARY FOR
THE GAMES IN KOREA, AND I LOVE
DOING THAT.
I LOVE GETTING DOWN AND
INTERVIEWING THE PLAYERS.
I LOVE DOING MY OWN LITTLE SHOW
THAT I DO.
AND I GET A CHANCE TO TRAVEL
ACROSS NORTH AMERICA TELLING MY
STORY.
I ALSO HAD AN ADDICTION TO
PAINKILLERS FOR 25 YEARS BECAUSE
THE DOCTORS THAT SAW ME, I'M
MISSING MY LEG, I WEAR SHORTS,
I'M MISSING MY LEG.
AND I TELL PEOPLE I'M ALMOST 58
YEARS OLD, I'VE HAD 36
SURGERIES, 12 CONCUSSIONS AND
I'M MISSING 11 TEETH.
UNLIKE THE WOMEN, I WOULDN'T
CHANGE ANYTHING.
I WOULD GO BACK AND DO EXACTLY
THE SAME.
I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT.
WE'RE NOT JUST TELLING THE SAME
STORY HERE.

In a picture, Paul stops a puck from entering the goal on a rink, wearing the Hockey Canada jersey.

Paul continues I KNOW IT'S WRONG.
I KNOW MY DAUGHTERS WILL KILL ME
WHEN THEY HEAR THIS.
BUT I WOULD GO BACK FOR THAT
GOLD MEDAL AND FOR THAT FAME
THAT I HAD, THAT INNER FAME FROM
2005, 6, 7, 8, I WOULD DO IT ALL
OVER AGAIN.

Steve says INTERESTING.
I WANT TO FINISH OFF WITH YOU
BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONE GUY ON
THIS...

Andrew says ANOMALY HERE.

Steve says YOU ARE.
YOU'VE HAD YOUR CONCUSSION AND
COME THROUGH IT AND YOU ARE
STILL PLAYING.
THEORETICALLY, YOU'RE AT THE
HEIGHT OF YOUR CAREER RIGHT NOW,
RIGHT?

Andrew says PRETTY MUCH.

Steve says HEIGHT OF YOUR ABILITIES.
DOES HEARING ANY OF THIS TODAY
MAKE YOU SOMEWHAT FEARFUL ABOUT
CONTINUING TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL?

A picture shows Andrew and another professional football player running on a field during a match.

Andrew says I DON'T THINK ANY MORE THAN
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN.
I'VE TRIED TO STAY AS INFORMED
AS I CAN ABOUT THE ISSUE.
I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO
SHARE STORIES LIKE THIS SO THAT
THERE ISN'T THIS, I DON'T KNOW
WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO ME.
I'M FULLY AWARE OF THE RISKS
ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND I THINK
THAT AN IMPORTANT PART OF MOVING
FORWARD IN SPORTS IN GENERAL IS
MAKING SURE THAT KIDS START
PLAYING THE SPORT KNOW THAT THIS
IS LIKE A POSSIBILITY ONE DAY
FOR ANY SPORT YOU PLAY BECAUSE
WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU START
PLAYING AS A KID AND YOU GET SO
USED TO THE SPORT AND THEN YOU
CAN'T BE PULLED AWAY FROM IT
BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THE RISKS
THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, YOU
DON'T KNOW HOW SEVERE IT CAN BE.
ONCE YOU START DOING THAT FOR
TEN YEARS, YOU GET TO OUR AGE,
AND IT'S JUST LIKE, NO, I'M NOT
GOING TO STOP PLAYING BECAUSE OF
THIS AND, BOOM, YOUR LIFE
CHANGES.

The caption changes to "Producer: Eric Bombicino, @ebombicino."

Steve says RIGHT.
I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR
COMING IN TONIGHT AND BEING SO
CANDID AND PERSONAL WITH YOUR
STORIES. I CAN'T IMAGINE...
I CAN IMAGINE, ACTUALLY, HOW
MUCH GOOD THIS CONVERSATION IS
GOING TO DO ONCE IT GETS OUT
THERE AND PEOPLE THINK ABOUT
YOUR EXPERIENCES.
SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

All the guests say THANK YOU.

Andrew says THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

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