Transcript: Oh What a Night, for the Ontario PCs | Mar 12, 2018

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, pink shirt, and purple tie.

A caption on screen reads "Oh what a night, for the Ontario PCs. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says IT'S BEEN AN
UNPRECEDENTED PAST SIX WEEKS IN
ONTARIO POLITICS, SO WHY SHOULD
THIS PAST WEEKEND HAVE BEEN ANY
DIFFERENT?
TORIES GATHERED IN MARKHAM TO
WATCH THE RESULTS OF THE PC
LEADERSHIP CAMPAIGN COME IN...
EXCEPT NONE DID.
FOR SIX HOURS, THEY SCHMOOZED
AND LISTENED TO LOUD MUSIC, BUT
GOT NO RESULTS BECAUSE ONE
CANDIDATE, CHRISTINE ELLIOTT,
WAS CONTESTING THE PARTY'S
DECISION TO DECLARE DOUG FORD
THE WINNER.
FINALLY AFTER A FACE-TO-FACE
MEETING ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON,
ELLIOTT CONCEDED.
HERE TO REVIEW ALL THE GORY
DETAILS:
HARTLEY LEFTON, CHAIR OF THE PC
LEADERSHIP ELECTION ORGANIZING COMMITTEE...

Hartley is in his late forties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and striped yellow tie.

Steve continues AND KEVIN WEATHERBEE, A MEMBER
OF THE PCs' PROVINCIAL
NOMINATIONS COMMITTEE.

Kevin is in his late thirties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit and white shirt.

Steve continues AS I WELCOME BOTH OF YOU TO TVO TODAY, LET ME JUST SAY THAT I
LEARNED SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT
ON THE WEEKEND, WHICH IS IF YOU
DO A SIX-HOUR BROADCAST WITH NO
BREAKS, CHANCES ARE YOU'RE GOING
TO LEAVE YOUR VOICE.
SO APOLOGIES FOR THE BAD THROAT.
WE'RE GOING TO GET EVERYBODY
CAUGHT UP ON ALL THE EVENTS THAT
TRANSPIRED THIS WEEKEND,
STARTING WITH THE CONTESTATION
OF THE RESULTS.
SHELDON, LET'S BRING THIS UP.
HERE'S WHAT CHRISTINE ELLIOTT
PUT OUT ON SUNDAY.
SHE SAID...

A quote appears on screen, under the title "Not so fast." The quote reads "Christine Elliot won the popular vote. Christine Elliot has won the majority of ridings. Of the approximately 12,000 points that are included in the final calculations, there are fewer than 150 points difference between the two candidates;
Most importantly, thousands of members have been assigned to incorrect ridings.
Our scrutineers identified entire towns voting in the wrong riding.
I will stand up for these members and plan to investigate the extent of this discrepancy."

Quoted from Christine Elliott, statement. March 11, 2018.

Steve continues BUT THEN LATER ON SUNDAY, AFTER MEETING WITH DOUG FORD, THERE
WAS THIS... "AFTER COMPLETING MY
REVIEW, I AM CONFIDENT IN THE RESULTS.
I EXTEND MY CONGRATULATIONS TO
DOUG FORD ON A HARD-FOUGHT CAMPAIGN."
HARTLEY, TO YOU FIRST.
WHY DID SHE CHANGE HER MIND?

The caption changes to "Hartley Lefton. PC Leadership Election Organizing Committee."
A caption appears on screen. It reads "Third time's not the charm."

Hartley says I THINK, STEVE, SHE HAD A CHANCE TO
REVIEW WITH HER TEAM WHAT
HAPPENED IN THE ROOM.
SHE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE
NUMBERS.
AND SAW THAT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR
HER, THE MATH JUST WAS NOT THERE
FOR HER.
THE ISSUE... THE DISCREPANCY WAS
MUCH MORE NARROW, SO I THINK
THAT SHE BELIEVED WHEN SHE
ISSUED HER FIRST RELEASE AND
ULTIMATELY SHE AGREED THAT
MR. FORD WAS PROPERLY ELECTED
LEADER UNDER OUR RULES.

Steve says PRESUMABLY YOU HAD A
SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN TRYING TO
CONVINCE HER THAT MATH WAS MATH?

Hartley says WELL, NO.
I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN CONVINCING
HER.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HER TEAM.
WE CERTAINLY WORKED CLOSELY WITH
HER TEAM THAT NIGHT IN THE ROOM
TO GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS AND
HOW EVERYTHING WORKED OUT TO
SHOW THAT THE DISCREPANCY WOULD
NOT HAVE HAD ANY EFFECT ON THE
RESULT.

Steve says KEVIN, HAVE YOU
HEARD ANY SPECULATION EMERGING
FROM THAT FORD-ELLIOTT MEETING
AS TO WHY THEY DECIDED TO BURY
THE HATCHET?

The caption changes to "Kevin Weatherbee. PC Party Executive."

Kevin says NOT EXACTLY, NO.
WHAT I DO KNOW IS CHRISTINE WAS
DETERMINED TO HAVE A UNIFIED
PARTY COMING OUT OF THIS ONE WAY
OR THE OTHER.
THAT WAS NEVER IN DOUBT.
REGARDLESS OF HER STATEMENT AND
THE ISSUES SHE RAISED ABOUT THE
POTENTIAL DISCREPANCY, I KNOW
SHE WAS COMMITTED TO HAVING A
UNIFIED PARTY.
I KNOW WHEN THE TWO OF THEM SAT
DOWN, BOTH WERE EAGER TO MOVE
PAST THIS AS A PARTY AND FOCUS
ON THE LIBERALS.

Steve says A BUNCH OF PEOPLE
CAME OUT ON SUNDAY, INCLUDING
FORMER PREMIER MIKE HARRIS,
SAYING IT'S OVER.
TIME TO RALLY AROUND THE NEW
LEADER AND TIME TO DROP THE
CHALLENGES.
HOW INFLUENTIAL DO YOU THINK
THAT WAS TO HER ULTIMATE
DECISION?

Kevin says I THINK IT MEANT A LOT TO THE
DECISION.
MR. WILSON ALSO ISSUED A
STATEMENT, SAYING IT'S TIME TO
MOVE ON, TIME TO ACCEPT THE
RESULTS.

Steve says MPP FROM SIMCOE.

Kevin says AND FORMER INTERIM LEADER AND
FORMER MINISTER.
THAT GOES A LONG WAY NOT JUST
FOR CHRISTINE BUT ALL MEMBERS.
ALL MEMBERS NEED TO RALLY BEHIND
OUR LEADER AND FOCUS ON THE
ELECTION.

Steve says HARTLEY, BEFORE
ANYBODY GETS TOO CRITICAL WITH
MS. ELLIOTT, LET'S REMEMBER THAT
THIS IS HER THIRD CONSECUTIVE
LEADERSHIP CONVENTION LOSS, AND
IF YOU INCLUDE THE TWO THAT HER
HUSBAND RAN IN AND LOST, THAT'S
FIVE DEFEATS OUT OF FIVE FOR ONE
FAMILY IN PC LEADERSHIP
CONTESTS.
IS IT THEREFORE UNDERSTANDABLE
THAT SHE WOULD WANT TO UNTURN
EVERY SINGLE STONE LOOKING FOR
POSSIBLE VICTORY?

Hartley says I THINK AS A PARTY MEMBER,
LEAVING ASIDE ALL OF THAT, AS A
PARTY MEMBER, SHE WANTED
CONFIDENCE IN THE RESULTS, AND
SO WHEN WE WERE IN THE ROOM ON
SATURDAY LOOKING THROUGH ALL OF
THE MATH, LOOKING THROUGH ALL
THE ALLOCATIONS, WE CARE ABOUT
THAT AS PARTY MEMBERS, TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE LEADER THAT WE
ANNOUNCE IS THE LEADER THAT WE
HAVE 100 PERCENT CONFIDENCE IN,
THE LEADER THAT THE AUDITOR HAS
CONFIDENCE IN HAVING WON THE
ELECTION ACCORDING TO OUR RULES,
THE CHIEF ELECTORAL OFFICER AS
WELL.
I THINK ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHAT
YOU SAW.

Steve says HERE'S WHAT PEOPLE
WHO WENT TO THE HOTEL IN MARKHAM
SAW WHEN YOU CAME UP TO THE
MICROPHONE ABOUT SIX HOURS AFTER
EVERYBODY GOT IN THERE.
YOU WERE NOT A POPULAR PERSON,
MR. LEFTON.
LET'S ROLL THE CLIP.
HERE WE GO, SHELDON.

A clip plays on screen with the caption "March 10, 2018."
In the clip, Hartley gives a statement.

He says WE APOLOGIZE VERY MUCH FOR
THE DELAY.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL VERY, VERY
EXCITED.
THERE'S A REVIEW UNDERWAY ABOUT
AN ALLOCATION OF A CERTAIN LIST
OF ELECTORS THAT NEEDS TO BE
RESOLVED BECAUSE IT MAY HAVE AN
IMPACT ON ELECTORAL VOTES.
WE EXPECT THIS REVIEW TO BE
RESOLVED IN THE SHORT TERM, AND
BY THAT I MEAN AS SOON AS
PRACTICABLY POSSIBLE.
UNFORTUNATELY, UNFORTUNATELY, WE
DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE HALL
ANY LONGER.
MEMBERS, I ASK YOU TO PLEASE GO
HOME TO AWAIT THE RESULTS.
WE CANNOT STAY HERE.

The clip ends.

Steve says WHAT WAS THAT MOMENT
LIKE BASICALLY SEEING A ROOM
FULL OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE
HECKLING, BOOING, AND YELLING
PROFANITIES AT YOU?

The caption changes to "The announcement that wasn't."

Hartley says IT WASN'T THE HIGHLIGHT OF MY
NIGHT.
I WILL SAY, STEVE, IT DIDN'T...
IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT I FELT.
WHAT MATTERED TO ME WAS WE GOT
THE ANSWER RIGHT, NOT THAT WE
GOT THE ANSWER RIGHT FAST.
IT WAS AWFUL HEARING MY
THREE-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER ASK, WHY
ARE PEOPLE BOOING DADDY?
THAT PARTY I COULDN'T HAVE DONE
WITHOUT.
I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATIONS OF
MEMBERS.
I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE CERTAINLY
HAVING BEEN IN THAT ROOM FOR A
WHILE EXPECTING THE NEW LEADER
TO BE ANNOUNCED, THE NEW PREMIER
TO BE ANNOUNCED.

Steve says NOT PREMIER YET.

Hartley says WELL, THE PERSON WE HOPE TO BE PREMIER.

Steve says OKAY.

Hartley says I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE
FRUSTRATION.
ULTIMATELY THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING WAS GETTING THE ANSWER
RIGHT AND MAKING SURE PEOPLE IN
THE ROOM UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS,
THERE WAS A FAIR HEARING OF ALL
THE ARGUMENTS, AND A FINAL
DECISION MADE THAT WAS SIGNED
OFF BY THE AUDITOR.

Steve says HERE'S WHY I THINK
THERE WAS SO MUCH CONFUSION AT
THE CONVENTION ON THE WEEKEND.
NOT BLAMING ANYBODY FOR IT.
THESE ARE JUST THE FACTS.
YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT SYSTEM THAN
OTHER PARTIES RUN BY.

A slate appears on screen, with the title "PC Leadership third ballot results."

Steve reads data from the slate and says
CHRISTINE ELLIOTT, ON THE THIRD
AND FINAL BALLOT, GOT 32,202 VOTES.
DOUG FORD GOT 30,041 VOTES.
MEANING SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE
51.7 TO 48.3 PERCENT.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE THE PC PARTY
GOES BY 100 POINTS PER RIDING,
124 RIDINGS, THOSE VOTES GET
REDISTRIBUTED IN A DIFFERENT
WAY, AND WHEN THOSE NUMBERS ARE
REDISTRIBUTED, YOU'VE GOT FORD
WITH 50.6 PERCENT, ELLIOTT AT
49.4 PERCENT.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND I GUESS WHY
PEOPLE LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AND
SAY, WAIT A SECOND.
ELLIOTT GOT MORE VOTES, SHE WON
MORE RIDINGS.
HOW IS IT THAT SHE'S NOT THE LEADER?

The caption changes to "Hartley Lefton, @hartleylefton."

Hartley says BECAUSE THE RULES ARE THE
RULES.
WE FOLLOWED THIS PROCESS FOR SIX
STRAIGHT ELECTIONS NOW.
1990, 2002, 2004, 2009, 2015,
AND NOW 2018.
IN EACH OF THOSE SIX ELECTIONS,
WE'VE RUN EFFECTIVELY THE SAME
SYSTEM.
100 POINTS PER RIDING.
THE SAME SYSTEM THAT THE FEDERAL
PARTY RUNS.
100 POINTS PER RIDING.
THE MOST... IT'S PER THE
ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

Steve says IN PREVIOUS ATTEMPTS
I DON'T THINK THE PERSON WITH
THE MOST LOST.
IN THIS CASE YOU HAVE AN ANOMALY
THE PERSON WITH THE MOST VOTES LOST.

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Hartley says ULTIMATELY THE RULES ARE THE RULES.
EVERYONE KNEW THE RULES GOING
IN.
THE RULES PRIORITIZE PEOPLE WHO
GET A BROAD SUPPORT AMONG A
BROAD SET OF RIDINGS, AND IF YOU
GET ENOUGH ELECTORAL VOTES, THEN
YOU WIN.
WE SAW THAT WITH MR. FORD.
I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE
OTHER VIEW.
THE RULES WERE SET SIX WEEKS
AGO.
THE RULES WERE THE SAME AS WE'VE
HAD THE PREVIOUS FIVE ELECTIONS
AND THEY WEREN'T A SURPRISE TO
ANYONE.

Steve says KEVIN, LET ME ASK
YOU THIS: THE FACT IS THAT THIS
DOES HAPPEN IN GENERAL ELECTIONS
AS WELL WHERE THE PARTY THAT
GETS THE MOST VOTES DOESN'T
ALWAYS WIN THE MOST SEATS.
THIS IS NOT COMPLETELY UNKNOWN
TO CANADIAN POLITICS.
HOWEVER, HAVING SAID THAT, DO
YOU THINK THIS RAISES ANY
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF
THE PROCESS OR ABOUT WHETHER YOU
NEED TO RE-LOOK AT HOW YOU ELECT
YOUR LEADERS GIVEN THAT THE
CANDIDATE WITH THE MOST VOTES
ACTUALLY DIDN'T GET THE MOST
POINTS AND THEREFORE LOST?

Kevin says NO, NO, NOT AT ALL.
I DON'T THINK SO.

Steve says NO ONE WANTS TO
REVISIT IT?

Kevin says NO, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY,
STEVE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
OUR MEMBERS FROM ALL REGIONS OF
THE PROVINCE HAVE AN EQUAL SAY
IN WHO THE LEADER OF THE PARTY
IS.
THE VOTES, TOTAL VOTES, THE
REASON YOU WANT TO STAY AWAY
FROM THAT IS, WHAT YOU DON'T
WANT IS PANDERING TO CERTAIN
REGIONS WHERE YOU CAN DRIVE UP
MEMBERSHIP VOTES IN A CERTAIN
REGION AND THE OTHERS DON'T HAVE
A SAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT RIDING BY
RIDING WHICH WE SAW IN YOUR
TWITTER FEED, WE'LL SEE A
CLOSENESS ACROSS ALL THE
RIDINGS.
IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO COMPETE
IN EVERY RIDING FOR THOSE
POINTS, I THINK CANDIDATES WOULD
NATURALLY GRAVITATE TO THEIR
STRONG AREAS OF THE PROVINCE AND
THAT WOULD BE LESS EFFECTIVE OF
A LEADERSHIP CAMPAIGN.
SO I THINK THE PROCESS IS SOUND.
I THINK THE RULES ARE SOUND, AS
HARTLEY ALLUDED TO.
AND I THINK ALL THE CANDIDATES
NOW ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN
MOVE FORWARD.
WE UNDERSTAND THE RESULTS.
AND WE CAN STAND BY THE RESULTS
AND BE PROUD OF IT.

Steve says JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR,
HARTLEY, I MEAN ELLIOTT'S
CAMPAIGN SAID THAT THERE WERE
THOUSANDS OF VOTES THAT WERE
MISALLOCATED TO THE WRONG
RIDINGS, WHICH THEREFORE SKEWED
THE FINAL RESULT.
IS SHE RIGHT ABOUT THAT?

Hartley says I DON'T THINK SO, STEVE.
WE TOOK A LOT OF TIME... A LOT
OF TIME, AS YOU KNOW, ON
SATURDAY, TO ACTUALLY RUN THESE
ISSUES TO THE GROUND.
WE WERE SATISFIED THE PERSON WHO
ULTIMATELY ADJUDICATED THESE
ISSUES WAS SATISFIED, THE CHIEF
ELECTORAL OFFICER WAS SATISFIED
THAT THESE ISSUES WERE ADDRESSED
PROPERLY.
THAT IF THERE WAS ANY
DISCREPANCY, IT WOULD NOT AFFECT
THE RESULTS.
I THINK YOU SAW WITH
MRS. ELLIOTT'S STATEMENT
YESTERDAY THAT SHE HAS ACCEPTED
THE RESULTS THAT THE ANSWER...
THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE LEADER
WAS CORRECT AND WE'LL MOVE
FORWARD IN THE NEXT ELECTION
UNDER MR. FORD.

Steve says OKAY.
SPEAKING OF MR. FORD, I WANT TO
ASK YOU THIS QUESTION, BECAUSE
THIS IS MORE POLITICAL AS
OPPOSED TO ORGANIZATIONAL
QUESTION.
THE ANGUS REID POLLING
ORGANIZATION PUT SOME NUMBERS
OUT LAST WEEK THAT SHOWED THAT
IF CHRISTINE ELLIOTT HAD WON THE
CONVENTION, THERE WAS A
POTENTIAL UNIVERSE OF PEOPLE IN
ONTARIO WHO WERE MORE OPEN TO
VOTING FOR HER THAN IF FORD HAD
WON.
APPARENTLY THE UNIVERSE DOUBLES
UNDER ELLIOTT; IT CONTRACTS BY
HALF UNDER FORD.
SO THE QUESTION BECOMES: DO YOU
THINK YOUR PARTY MADE THE RIGHT
DECISION IN PICKING MR. FORD
INASMUCH AS, IF THOSE NUMBERS
ARE RIGHT, YOU'VE POTENTIALLY
REDUCED... YOU HAVE REDUCED YOUR
POTENTIAL VOTING AUDIENCE BY
50 percent.

The caption changes to "Kevin Weatherbee, @KevinWeatherbee."
Then, it changes again to "Blue horizons."

Kevin says WELL, NO, I HAVE A BIT OF A
DIFFERENT VIEW.
I THINK THAT MR. FORD ACTUALLY
OPENS US UP TO A LOT OF VOTERS.
I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF
VOTERS IN PARTICULAR REGIONS OF
THE CITY OF TORONTO, A LOT OF
NDP VOTERS, WHO MAYBE DIDN'T
GIVE OUR PARTY A LOOK AND I
THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING
A REAL HARD LOOK AT US NOW.
I KNOW WHILE MYSELF BEING ON THE
NOMINATIONS COMMITTEE AT THE
TIME WAS NEUTRAL, I DID HAVE A
CHANCE TO ATTEND SOME LEADERSHIP
EVENTS AND THE ONE THING THAT
STRUCK ME ABOUT MR. FORD'S
EVENTS, EVEN IN MY OWN TOWN OF
ORANGEVILLE, WAS THERE WAS A LOT
OF PEOPLE I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE.
THESE ARE NEW MEMBERS I HADN'T
SEEN AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED FOR
A LONG TIME.
THEY'RE COMING OUT TO SEE
MR. FORD.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE WARD MAP FROM
HIS MUNICIPAL RACE WHEN HE CAME
SECOND TO JOHN TORY, IF YOU WERE
TO TRANSPOSE...

Steve says THIS IS THE TORONTO
MAYOR'S RACE 2014.

Kevin says EXACTLY.
IF YOU WERE TO TRANSPOSE THOSE
ON THE PROVINCIAL RIDINGS, THAT
WOULD EQUATE TO 11 RIDINGS.

Steve says SORRY.
YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU PUT THE
MAYORALTY NUMBERS ON A
PROVINCIAL BOUNDARY, HE WINS 11
RIDINGS?

Kevin says IT EQUATES TO ABOUT 11
RIDINGS, IF HE CAN CARRY THE
SAME RIDINGS AND SHOW THE SAME
STRENGTH.
MY POINT BEING THAT PEOPLE
ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY OF
TORONTO AND ONTARIO, THEY KNOW
THE FORD FAMILY.
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY STAND FOR.
HE BRINGS A CONSERVATIVE BRAND.

Steve says YOU SAID A SECOND
AGO THAT NDP VOTERS WILL LOOK AT
VOTING TORY UNDER DOUG FORD?

Kevin says ABSOLUTELY.

Steve says WHERE DO YOU GET THAT FROM?

Kevin says I GET IT FROM THE FACT THAT
YOU HAVE A STRONG CORE OF NDP
VOTERS, A UNION-BASED
BACKGROUND.
YOU LOOK AT CITIES LIKE
HAMILTON.
THOSE VOTERS UNDERSTAND DOUG
FORD BECAUSE HE UNDERSTANDS
THOSE VOTERS.
DOUG FORD ALWAYS STICKS UP FOR
THE LITTLE GUY.
THAT'S HIS MANTRA.
THAT'S HIS M.O.
YOU LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT HE
BROUGHT IN AT CITY HALL WHEN IT
COMES TO SERVICE-BASED ISSUES.
DOUG FORD SPEAKS THEIR LANGUAGE,
AND I THINK THAT WE ARE VERY
COMPETITIVE WITH THOSE TYPES OF
BLUE COLLAR WORKERS, IF YOU
WILL, AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING
TO BE TAKING A REALLY HARD LOOK
AT OUR PARTY RIGHT NOW.

Steve says HARTLEY, I WANT TO
TALK ABOUT HOW UNIFIED THE PARTY
IS NOW.
WE SAW SPEECHES ON THE WEEKEND
FROM JASON KENNEY, FROM THE
SO-CALLED UNITED PARTY IN
ALBERTA.
AND VIC FEDELI.
THEY SAID THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING GOING FORWARD IS PARTY
UNITY.
YOU HAVE A PARTY 50-50, SPLIT
DOWN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN THE MOST
POPULACE OPTION WHICH IS DOUG
FORD AND THE MORE PROGRESSIVE
CONSERVATIVE OPTION WHICH WAS
CHRISTINE ELLIOTT.
HOW DOES PARTY UNITY EMERGE FROM THAT?

Hartley says I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT,
STEVE, IS WHAT YOU MENTIONED
FROM THE OUTSET, THAT
MRS. ELLIOTT, AS WELL AS TANYA
GRANIC ALLEN, CAROLINE MULRONEY,
HAVE ALL SAID DOUG FORD IS THE
LEADER AND WE'RE RUNNING THE
NEXT ELECTION UNDER DOUG FORD.
THERE IS NO DISPUTE AT THAT
LEVEL OF WHO WON ON SATURDAY,
AND I THINK THAT... IT'LL TAKE
CERTAINLY MORE THAN AN HOUR, BUT
AS TIME GOES ON INTO THIS WEEK
AND MAYBE INTO NEXT, WE'LL FIND
PARTY MEMBERS SAY, I'M ON TEAM
FORD.
THERE'S CERTAINLY... IN ANY NEW
LEADERSHIP THERE'S SOME
DIVISION, BUT I THINK THAT THE
KENNEY MESSAGE, THE FEDELI
MESSAGE, THE TANYA GRANIC ALLEN
MESSAGE AND THE CAROLINE
MULRONEY MESSAGE, WILL TAKE ROOT
WITH PARTY MEMBERS WHO REALLY
HAVE AN INTEREST IN REPLACING
KATHLEEN WYNNE ON JUNE 7TH.

Steve says WE REMEMBER THE FORD
ADMINISTRATION AT TORONTO CITY
HALL, THE FORD FAMILY BRINGS A
CERTAIN PARTICULAR STYLE.
SOME MIGHT CALL IT KIND OF A
CHAOTIC STYLE INTO PUBLIC LIFE.
FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT THE
CHAOTIC CANDIDATE, WHAT WOULD
YOUR ENTREATY BE?

Kevin says MY ENTREATY WOULD BE WE'LL
WORK IT OUT.
WE'VE SEEN THE CUTS UNDER THE
LIBERALS IN HEALTH CARE, FOR
EXAMPLE, MR. FORD HAS BEEN VERY
CLEAR THAT THAT'S NOT THE KIND
OF GOVERNMENT THAT HE WILL RUN,
SHOULD HE BE ELECTED PREMIER,
AND I KNOW MYSELF, BEING A
NOMINATION CANDIDATE MYSELF,
THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT VOTERS AT THE END OF
THE DAY CARE ABOUT.
I KNOW OUR MEMBERS.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ISSUES WITH
THE LEADERSHIP PROCESS, AND I
UNDERSTAND THAT AND RESPECT IT.
BUT MOST ONTARIANS, THE VOTERS
OUT THERE, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT
HEALTH CARE, THEY'RE WORRIED
ABOUT JOBS...

Steve says I HAVE TO JUMP IN ON
THAT.
ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO
CONVINCE ONTARIANS THAT THE
LIBERALS WILL CUT HEALTH CARE
WHEN YOU HAVE A 14 BILLION TO
16 BILLION dollar HOLE IN YOUR PLATFORM?

Kevin says THE FACT ARE THE FACTS.
WE'VE SEEN THE CUTS TO NURSES.
WE'VE SEEN 50 RESIDENCY
POSITIONS ELIMINATED.
50 MIGHT NOT SOUND LIKE MUCH.
BUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE RACKED UP
STUDENT DEBT, THEY LOOK AT THE
RESIDENCY POSITIONS AND KNOW IT.
THE CUTS ARE THERE.
HOSPITAL BUDGETS HAVE BEEN
FROZEN.
THIS IS WHAT REAL ONTARIANS ARE
SEEING AND EXPERIENCING...

Steve says CAN YOU IMAGINE
THEY'LL BE FEWER CUTS UNDER THE
CONSERVATIVES?

Kevin says THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT
MR. FORD HAS PRIORITIZED.
IF WE STREAMLINE SOME OF THE
PROBLEMS, IF WE FIND
EFFICIENCIES WE CAN REALLOCATE
FUNDS AND WE CAN PUT IT WHERE IT
MATTERS, WHICH IS IN HEALTH
CARE.

Steve says I DON'T KNOW IF
YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF GIVING
POLITICAL ADVICE, BUT I'M GOING
TO ASK THE QUESTION ANYWAY: DOUG
FORD HAS TWO CANDIDATE BOTH OF
WHOM WANT TO RUN IN CAMBRIDGE,
CHRISTINE ELLIOTT AND TANYA
GRANIC ALLEN.
HOW DOES HE RESOLVE THAT?

Hartley says I THINK HE WILL RESOLVE IT.
I THINK ULTIMATELY HE'LL SIT
DOWN WITH MRS. ELLIOTT AND
MRS. GRANIC ALLEN AND
THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
THAT'S NOT A PRACTICAL CONCERN.
THAT WILL BE MANAGED
LOGISTICALLY.
IT WILL RESOLVE ITSELF.

Steve says YOU HAVE TWO
HIGH-PROFILE CANDIDATES, DOUG
FORD HAS EXPRESSED GREAT
SYMPATICO WITH TANYA GRANIC
ALLEN, AND CHRISTINE ELLIOTT IS
SOMEONE WITH WHOM HE HAS TO MAKE
PEACE TO BRING THE CANDIDATE TOGETHER.

Hartley says YOU'LL FIND AN EXCELLENT
CANDIDATE IN THE RIDING OF
CAMBRIDGE, AND I THINK WHOEVER
IS LUCKY ENOUGH WILL DO A GREAT
JOB FOR THE VOTERS OF CAMBRIDGE
AND WHOEVER GOES IN A DIFFERENT
RIDING WILL DO A GREAT JOB FOR
THE VOTERS OF THAT RIDING.

Steve says HOW DOES DOUG FORD
RESOLVE THAT?

Kevin says TOO EARLY TO SAY AT THIS
POINT.
I HAVE CONFIDENCE THEY WILL COME
TOGETHER AND FIND A SOLUTION
THAT'S NOT ONLY BEST FOR THE TWO
CANDIDATES BUT ALSO THE MEMBERS
IN THE RIDING AND THE PEOPLE OF
CAMBRIDGE.

Steve says WE HAVE A MINUTE OR
SO LEFT HERE AND I WANT TO SHOW
YOU A PICTURE WHICH WAS ONE OF
THE SADDEST PICTURES WE SAW AT
THE CONVENTION ON THE WEEKEND.
THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE.

A picture shows red, green and blue balloons in a net above a group of journalists and volunteers in a convention centre during a PC Leadership results rally.

Steve continues ALL THOSE SAD BALLOONS WAITING
TO FALL DOWN ON THE NEW PC PARTY
LEADER AND THEY NEVER FELL
BECAUSE THERE WERE NO RESULTS
ANNOUNCED AND THEN EVERYBODY GOT
TOLD TO GO HOME.
WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THOSE
BALLOONS, HARTLEY?

Hartley says I'M ACTUALLY NOT SURE, STEVE.
AFTER WE HAD TO CLEAR OUT THE
ROOM, THERE WERE PEOPLE SETTING
UP FOR A FASHION SHOW THE NEXT DAY.
THERE WAS A DRESS REHEARSAL FOR
THE FASHION SHOW THAT NIGHT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED WITH
THE BALLOONS.
I KNOW THERE WERE VERY HAPPY
MODELS ABLE TO DO THEIR DRESS
REHEARSAL IN THAT ROOM.

Steve says WITHOUT BALLOONS
FALLING ON THEM, I PRESUME.

Hartley says I PRESUME, YES.

Steve says WHY ARE THE BALLOONS
NOT ALL BLUE, INCIDENTALLY?

Hartley says IT LOOKS BETTER TO HAVE
DIFFERENT COLOURS.
IT REFLECTS THE TAPESTRY OF OUR PARTY.

The caption changes to "Producer: Steve Paikin, @spaikin; Producer: Harrison Lowman, @harrisonlowman; Producer: Jane Burke, @JBurkeTweets."

Steve says YOU CAN TELL WE ASK
THE DEEP PENETRATING QUESTIONS
HERE: WHAT COLOUR ARE THE
BALLOONS?
GENTLEMEN, I WANT TO THANK YOU
ON SHORT NOTICE FOR COMING IN TO
TVO TONIGHT AND HELPING US WITH
ALL OF THIS.
IT WAS BY ALL ACCOUNTS A
FASCINATING AND BIZARRE WEEKEND,
BUT IT HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST SIX
WEEKS, SO WHY SHOULD LAST
WEEKEND HAVE BEEN ANY DIFFERENT?
HARTLEY LEFTON OF THE ORGANIZING
COMMITTEE WHO IS THRILLED HE CAN
GO BACK TO PRACTISING LAW AT
DENTON'S, YOUR OLD JOB, AS IT
WERE.
AND KEVIN WEATHERBEE, REGIONAL
VP LOOKING FOR THE NOMINATION IN
THE FEDERAL RIDING OF DUFFERIN
CALEDON AND A MEMBER OF THE
PROVINCIAL NOMINATIONS
COMMITTEE.
HARTLEY AND KEVIN, THANKS SO
MUCH FOR COMING IN TONIGHT.

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Hartley says THANK YOU, STEVE.

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