Transcript: Developing High-Rise Homes for Families | Feb 28, 2018

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and spotted blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "Developing high-rise homes for families. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says WHETHER BECAUSE OF
COST, CONVENIENCE OR LIFESTYLE,
A GROWING DEMOGRAPHIC OF YOUNG
FAMILIES IN ONTARIO'S CAPITAL
CITY NOW CONSIDERS CONDOMINIUMS
AMONG THEIR REAL ESTATE OPTIONS.
AND MANY MORE PERHAPS WOULD JOIN
THEM, BUT FOR THE LACK OF LARGER
FAMILY-SIZED UNITS IN CONDO
TOWERS, WHICH ARE OFTEN
COMPRISED MOSTLY OF ONE-BEDROOM
UNITS.
WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE THAT
A MORE PLENTIFUL OPTION?
LET'S ASK:
CHERISE BURDA, EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR, RYERSON CITY BUILDING INSTITUTE...

Cherise is in her early forties, with shoulder-length blond hair. She's wearing a gray blazer over a red shirt, and a silver necklace.

Steve continues ANN-MARIE NASR, MANAGER,
STRATEGIC INITIATIVES, AT THE
CITY OF TORONTO'S PLANNING DIVISION...

Ann-Marie is in her mid-forties, with long wavy brown hair. She's wearing a black blouse.

Steve continues AND STEVE DANIELS, VICE
PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT
PLANNING WITH TRIDEL, A MAJOR
REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER BASED IN TORONTO.

Steve is in his forties, shaven-headed, with a full gray beard. He's wearing a gray suit, blue shirt, and checked blue tie.

Steve continues WE ARE DELIGHTED TO WELCOME YOU
BACK TO THIS PLACE AND YOU TWO I
THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME HERE.
NICE TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE FOR A
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT
FAMILIES CAN, IF THEY WANT TO,
ACTUALLY LIVE IN CONDOS IN THIS
CITY AND OTHERS.
LET'S START JUST BY PUTTING THIS
INFORMATION UP, SHALL WE,
SHELDON, JUST TO SET THE TABLE?

A quote appears on screen, under the title "Changing demographics." The quote reads "BETWEEN 2016 AND 2026, THE 35 TO 44 AGE BRACKET IS EXPECTED TO GROW BY MORE THAN 207000 RESIDENTS, DRIVING INCREASED DEMAND FOR LARGER, MORE FAMILY-FRIENDLY HOUSING."

Quoted from Ryerson City Building Institute and Urbanation, "Bedrooms in the sky." 2017.

A slate pops up with additional information.

Steve reads and says
AND IF WE LOOK AT SENIORS,
DOWNSIZING SENIORS, THAT'S AGED
65 PLUS, WILL CONTINUE TO GROW
RAPIDLY, ALMOST HALF A MILLION
RESIDENTS, IN MANY CASES THEY
WILL BE LOOKING FOR SIMILAR
HOUSING OPTIONS AS YOUNG FAMILIES.
SO WE'VE GOT THIS SORT OF, AT
BOTH ENDS OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC
SPECTRUM, ALL LOOKING FOR A KIND
OF HOUSING THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE
ENOUGH OF RIGHT NOW.
ANN-MARIE, I'M GOING TO START
WITH YOU.
WHY ARE YOUNG FAMILIES CHOOSING
TO FOREGO A HOUSE?

The caption changes to "Ann-Marie Nasr. City of Toronto."
A caption appears on screen. It reads "Housing for who?"

Ann-Marie says WE FOUND OUT IN PLANNING FOR
NEW VERTICAL COMMUNITIES IS
FAMILIES, PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING
IN THE CENTRES AND DOWNTOWN ARE
ACTUALLY REALLY ENJOYING IT AND
THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TO MAKE
THAT SHIFT AND LIFESTYLE CHANGE
IN TERMS OF MOVING ELSEWHERE,
AND SO THEY WANT THE
CONVENIENCE, THEY WANT THE
ACCESSIBILITY, AND THEY WANT THE
ABILITY TO RAISE FAMILIES IN
THESE NEW VERTICAL COMMUNITIES.
THE CHALLENGE THAT THEY'RE
HAVING IS THAT THE NEW VERTICAL
COMMUNITIES, THE WAY THEY'RE
CURRENTLY BEING DESIGNED, ARE
NOT REALLY ACCOMMODATING THEIR
NEEDS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD A LOT
ABOUT THROUGH OUR STUDY PROCESS.

Steve says THAT'S WHERE I GO TO
CHERISE.
DO WE HAVE THE SUPPLY TO SERVE
THESE TWO DIFFERING DEMOGRAPHICS
THAT SEEM TO WANT THE SAME KIND
OF PRODUCT?

The caption changes to "Cherise Burda. Ryerson City Building Institute."

Cherise says WE LOOKED AT
THE DATA, AND THANK YOU FOR
REFERENCING OUR REPORT IN THE
OPENING, WE LOOKED AT WHAT'S NOT
BEING BUILT BUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY
ON ITS WAY INTO OUR CITY AND
INTO OUR ENTIRE REGION.
SO WE LOOKED AT WHAT'S IN THE
PIPELINE, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO
SEE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IN
THE GREATER TORONTO AREA, AND
WE'RE FINDSING A COMPLETE
MISMATCH WHERE SHIFTING
DEMOGRAPHICS ARE GOING AND WHERE
WE'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING.
I'LL GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES.

Steve says SURE.

Cherise says WE'RE MAINLY BUILDING ONE
BEDROOM, BUT WE'RE STILL
BUILDING ONE BEDROOMS, AND
COMING ONLINE IN THE NEXT FIVE
YEARS, ONLY 40 percent OF CONDO UNITS
ARE GOING TO BE TWO BEDROOMS OR
MORE.
YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE 1990s
WHEN THAT WAS ABOUT 67 percent.
AND THE ISSUE ISN'T JUST
NECESSARILY THAT WE'RE BUILDING
SMALL.
WE'RE BUILDING TALL.
AND OVER THREE-QUARTERS OF THE
UNITS THAT WE'RE BUILDING ARE IN
BUILDINGS THAT ARE OVER 20
STOREYS.
THAT'S FOR THE WHOLE GTA AND FOR
CENTRAL TORONTO, OVER HALF ARE
IN BUILDINGS THAT ARE 36 STOREYS
AND MORE.

Steve says YOU DON'T MIND THAT?
YOU LIKE INTENSIFICATION?

Cherise says A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE INTENSIFICATION.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN
HIGH BUILDINGS.
BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT WE DON'T
NEED ENTIRELY THAT LEVEL OF
INTENSIFICATION TO BE FILLING IN
OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOURHOODS
AND TO BE CREATING OPPORTUNITIES
FOR MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS.
SO LET'S FACE IT.
WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANY MORE
SINGLE DETACHED HOUSES IN OUR
ALREADY ESTABLISHED SUBURBAN AND
URBAN NEIGHBOURHOODS THAT ARE
CLOSE TO SCHOOLS AND TRANSIT AND JOBS.

Steve says SO WE'VE GOT TO FIND
SOMETHING ELSE.

Cherise says WE HAVE TO BE BUILDING THAT
MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING WHICH IS
A LITTLE BIT MORE FAMILY
APPROPRIATE.

Steve says MR. DANIELS, NOW WE
TAKE AIM AT YOU.
HOW COME YOU'RE NOT BUILDING
WHAT THE MARKET SUGGESTS IS
RIGHT ON YOUR HORIZON?

The caption changes to "Steve Daniels. Tridel."

Steve says I'D LIKE TO SAY WE HAVE BEEN AND WE'VE BEEN
DOING IT SINCE THE '60s.
IT'S A MATTER OF RIGHT NOW THERE
SEEMS TO BE A CHANGE IN MARKET
THAT IS BECOMING... EVERYONE IS
MORE AWARE OF THIS WITH THE
STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN COMING OUT.
WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING LARGER
UNITS AT TRIDEL.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER
DEVELOPERS OUT THERE.
I CAN TELL YOU CURRENTLY RIGHT
NOW WE HAVE A BUILDING IN
ETOBICOKE THAT THE FIRST FIVE
FLOORS ARE ALL GEARED TOWARDS
FAMILIES.
THREE-BEDROOM, TWO-BEDROOM UNITS
ARE FURTHER ABOVE.
WE'RE EVEN PUTTING IN
ONE-BEDROOM UNITS WITHIN THE
THREE-BEDROOM UNITS TO ADDRESS
THE POTENTIAL MOTHER AND FATHER
THAT ARE LOOKING TO DOWNSIZE SO
THAT THERE'S THAT CONVENIENCE
AND THAT OPPORTUNITY.
IT'S ABOUT PROVIDING
OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM.
OUR BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN
SELLING OUT THE QUICKEST ARE THE
BUILDINGS THAT HAVE HAD THESE
FAMILY UNITS.
WE HAVE A REVITALIZATION PROJECT
UP AT TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSING
AT LESLIE AND SHEPPARD, AND ALL
OUR LARGE-BEDROOM UNITS SOLD OUT
RIGHT AWAY.
OUR SITE ON DUPONT, CALLED
BIANCA, SAME THING, 1200 TO 150D
OUT VERY QUICKLY.

Ann-Marie says I THINK ONE
OF THE THINGS WE FOUND, TO
STEVE'S POINT, IN OUR
GUIDELINES, THE NEW GUIDELINES
ARE FOCUSING ON THE
NEIGHBOURHOOD, THE BUILDING, AND
THE UNIT.
AND WHEN WE PREPARED THE
GUIDELINES WE WENT OUT AND
TALKED TO FAMILIES AND WE ALSO
HAD A NUMBER OF WORKSHOPS WITH
THE DESIGN INDUSTRY AND
DEVELOPERS, SUCH AS TRIDEL, AND
SO THE PROJECT THAT STEVE JUST
MENTIONED ABOUT THE IDEA OF
CLUSTERING THE LARGER UNITS AT
THE BASE OF THE BUILDING ALSO
ADDRESSES WHAT CHERISE MENTIONED
IN TERMS OF SAYING THAT, YOU
KNOW, FAMILIES LIKE TO BE CLOSER
TO GRADE.
SO THE GUIDELINES SPEAK TO THE
FACT THAT IF WE CLUSTER, THEN
FRANKLY IT DOESN'T MATTER IF
IT'S A 26-STOREY BUILDING
BECAUSE IF THOSE FAMILY UNITS
ARE KIND OF IN THAT MID-RISE
FORM IN THE FIRST EIGHT STOREYS,
THEN YOU BASICALLY HAVE KIND OF
A WIN-WIN SCENARIO.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT MID-RISE IS
ALSO NOT IMPORTANT.
IT ABSOLUTELY IS AND WE'RE
SEEING A LOT OF IT IN OUR
DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS
THAT FAMILIES WOULD LIKE TO BE
CLUSTERED.
YOU CREATE A COMMUNITY WITHIN
THE BUILDING, AND YOU START
LOOKING AT THE BUILDING AS A
COMMUNITY AND NOT A BUILDING.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SOME OF
THE DEVELOPERS ARE TURNING THEIR
MINDS TO.

Steve says THAT'S WHAT I WONDERED.
YOU'RE SAYING TRIDEL IS ONE OF
THE GOOD GUYS BUT MAYBE SOME OF
THE OTHER DEVELOPERS ARE NOT
REALIZING THIS DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGE?

The caption changes to "Ann-Marie Nasr, @AnnMarieNasr."

Ann-Marie says I THINK THAT IT'S... I THINK
WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A CULTURAL
SHIFT, AND I THINK MORE
DEVELOPERS ARE STARTING TO TURN
THEIR MINDS TO THAT.
I THINK THAT SOME DEVELOPERS
FOCUS MORE ON THE END USER
VERSUS THE INVESTOR MARKET.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE AN END
USER-FOCUSED DEVELOPER, YOU END
UP WITH A PROJECT THAT APPEALS
TO PEOPLE LIKE WALKING IN THE
DOOR, NOT MAKING THE CALL AROUND
THE INVESTMENT IN THE PROJECT,
AND I THINK THAT HAS A HUGE
DIFFERENCE.
THAT WAS ALSO REFLECTED IN THE
RYERSON CITY BUILDING INSTITUTE REPORT.

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Steve Daniels says I WOULD ADD
WE AT TRIDEL SEE THIS AS AN
OPPORTUNITY, A MARKET
OPPORTUNITY THAT ADDRESSING THE
FAMILY NEEDS IN THE DOWNTOWN IS
A GOOD THING.
I HAPPEN TO WORK FOR A DEVELOPER
WHERE THE FAMILIES THAT OWN THE
COMPANY LIVE IN THE CITY.
SO WE VALUE THAT.
WE THINK THERE'S A REAL
OPPORTUNITY THERE.
AND IT'S ALL ABOUT GOOD
CITY-BUILDING AT THE END OF THE DAY.

Steve says AS YOU LOOK OUT
THERE, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE
CONSEQUENCES OF THERE NOT BEING
ENOUGH SUPPLY IF MORE FAMILIES
IN FACT WANT TO LIVE IN MORE
URBAN AREAS?
UP?
WHAT DID YOU CALL THEM?
VERTICAL COMMUNITIES?

Ann-Marie says VERTICAL COMMUNITIES.

Steve says THAT'S A NEW ONE.

Cherise says WE'RE STUCK
IN THIS PATTERN WHERE PEOPLE
HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN DRIVING
TILL THEY QUALIFY FOR A DETACHED
HOUSE IN THE FRINGES AND DEALING
WITH A HORRIBLE TWO-HOUR COMMUTE
OR SQUISHING THEIR FAMILY INTO A
600 SQUARE FOOT CONDO.

Steve says PEOPLE DO THAT, EH?

The caption changes to "Cherise Burda, @CheriseBurda."

Cherise says AND PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT.
IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT OTHERS ARE
NOT BUILDING THOSE.
IN OUR ANALYSIS, THERE ARE
THOSE... IT'S NOT ZERO.
IT'S A GOOD START.
BUT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT
WHAT ARE THE VARIOUS POLICIES,
MECHANISMS, FINANCING MODELS
THAT CAN TURN THAT TREND AROUND.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE STUDYING IS
WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPE AND
IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR FAMILIES,
AND I REALLY VALUE THE GROWING
UP GUIDELINES WHICH ARE REALLY
IMPORTANT FOR, ESPECIALLY SOME
OF THE HIGH-RISES THAT WE'RE
BUILDING, BUT WE NEED OTHER
POLICIES THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE
IT COST COMPETITIVE FOR
DEVELOPERS TO BUILD MORE LOWER
MID-RISE AND STACKED HOUSING AND
SOME OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE
AT A LOWER SCALE THAT CAN FIT
INTO OUR RESIDENTIAL
COMMUNITIES, LIKE OUR YELLOW
BELT, IN OUR LOW-RISE
NEIGHBOURHOODS, WHICH ARE REALLY
DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT'S COSTLY.
YOU CAN TALK MORE ABOUT HOW
COSTLY LAND IS AND HOW HARD IT
IS TO TURN AROUND A PROFIT WHEN
YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOWER
SCALE BUILDING.

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Steve says YOU SEE DIFFERENT POLICIES.
FROM WHOM?

Cherise says I THINK THERE'S A WHOLE SUITE
OF THINGS.
OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT THE
FINANCIAL MODEL.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE RECORD
LEVELS OF CONDOS COMING DOWN THE
PIPELINE RIGHT NOW.
MORE THAN WE'VE EVER BUILT
BEFORE.
95 percent OF THEM ARE SOLD BEFORE THE
SHOVEL HITS THE GROUND, AND MOST
OF THOSE ARE GOING TO INVESTORS,
AT LEAST 50 percent, PROBABLY MORE
DOWNTOWN.

Steve says MEANING PEOPLE WHO
HAVE NO PLANS TO LIVE THERE?
IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN?

Cherise says MAYBE SOME OF THEM BUT HALF
OF THEM ARE GOING TO INVESTORS
AND IT'S NOT FOREIGN INVESTORS,
IT'S INVESTORS, WHO THEN TURN IT
AROUND.
SO THIS ISSUE OF BUILDING FOR
END USERS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
HOW DO WE... BECAUSE THE
FINANCIAL MODEL FOLLOWS WHAT
WORKS IN THE PAST.

Steve says SURE.

Cherise says BUILD WHAT WORKED BEFORE.
LET'S BUILD WHAT WORKED FIVE
YEARS AGO.
AND WE NEED TO BE LOOKING
FORWARD AND HOW DO WE CHANGE
THAT FINANCIAL MODEL SO THAT
WE'RE BUILDING UNITS FOR END
USERS.

Steve says MAY I QUOTE YOUR REPORT?
SURE, WHY NOT.
HERE'S FROM THE RYERSON CITY
BUILDING INSTITUTE AND
URBANNATION, "BEDROOMS IN THE SKY."

Another quote from the report appears on screen, under the title "Affording three bedrooms." The quote reads "While two bedroom condo apartments can offer affordability at a price point just over half of that of a detached house in the GTA, resale data suggests that larger three bedroom condos remain cost prohibitive to many buyers averaging 918000 dollars."

Steve says OKAY.
THAT'S CLEARLY BEYOND THE REACH...

Ann-Marie says IT'S
HIGHER, ACTUALLY, THAN AN
AVERAGE SEMI DETACHED.

Steve says NO KIDDING?
SO WHAT'S GOING TO HELP FAMILIES
WHO ARE PRICED OUT OF A
SITUATION LIKE THAT?

The caption changes to "Affordable access."

Ann-Marie says WELL, IN TERMS OF WHAT THE
STUDY DID AROUND PLANNING FOR
VERTICAL COMMUNITIES, WE LOOKED
AT BASICALLY CREATING A STOCK,
WHICH IS BASICALLY
FAMILY-FRIENDLY IN TERMS OF
DESIGN AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS AND
WE DON'T, AS CHERISE MENTIONED,
WE DON'T HAVE THAT STOCK RIGHT
NOW, AS MUCH AS WE WANT.
WE ARE STARTING TO GET IT.
WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THAT
STOCK TURN AROUND.
WE'RE STARTING TO SEE 8 percent IN THE
DOWNTOWN OF THREE-BEDS AND 8 percent IN
THE SHEPPARD CORRIDOR.
WHY?
BECAUSE THERE ARE COUNCILLORS
WHO ARE ACTIVELY PURSUING THE
NEED FOR MORE TWO- AND
THREE-BEDROOM UNITS.
THAT'S IMPORTANT.
WE'RE STARTING TO PUT IT IN
PLANNING POLICY TO ACTUALLY
REQUIRE AT LEAST 25 percent OF THOSE
UNITS TO BE LARGER UNITS.
THEN THERE'S THE LENS OF
AFFORDABILITY.
AND THAT'S A PIECE OF WORK THAT
IS ONGOING AND PROBABLY ONE OF
THE CITY'S PUBLIC POLICY
PRIORITIES.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE
AFFORDABILITY PIECE, WE'RE
SEEING THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT
CONSIDERING SOMETHING CALLED
INCLUSIONARY ZONING.
THAT'S STILL BEING DISCUSSED IN
ORDER FOR IT TO BASICALLY BE
LAYERED ON TO THE STOCK PIECE.
BUT WHAT WE'VE FOCUSED ON IS THE
STOCK PIECE, AND UNTIL THAT
LEGISLATION LANDS, I REALLY, YOU
KNOW, IT WILL DEPEND HOW THAT
COMES FORWARD.

Steve says GIVE US THE
20-SECOND DEFINITION OF
INCLUSIONARY ZONING.

Ann-Marie says INCLUSIONARY ZONING IS
BASICALLY REQUIRING ALLOWING
MUNICIPALITIES TO REQUIRE
DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE A CERTAIN
PERCENTAGE OF UNITS WITHIN EACH
BUILDING AS AFFORDABLE UNITS.

Steve says GOTCHA.
STEVE, YOU SAW THE SITUATION
THERE.
YOU SAW THE NUMBER THERE.
WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS FOR
FAMILIES FOR WHOM ALMOST A
MILLION BUCKS IS STILL NOT AN
OPTION?

Steve Daniels says WELL, I
THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY
YOU'RE LOOKING AT VERY CURRENT
700 dollars A SQUARE FOOT IS ON
AVERAGE.
AT 700 dollars A SQUARE FOOT TIMES
1200, THAT'S 840,000 dollars FOR A
THREE-BEDROOM UNIT.
THE CONDO MARKET IS WHERE THE
AFFORDABILITY IS IF YOU'RE DOING
A COMPARISON BETWEEN A SINGLE
FAMILY HOUSE AND CONDOS.
AND I THINK... I THINK THERE'S A
GENERATION GAP.
I THINK THE OLDER GENERATION HAD
THE WHITE PICKET FENCE, SINGLE
FAMILY HOUSE.
THAT WAS THE DREAM.
I THINK THAT HAS CHANGED TO,
WE'RE BUILDING UP AND WE'RE
BEING, I THINK, MORE RESPONSIBLE
WITH INTENSIFICATION, NEAR
TRANSPORTATION HUBS.
MY GENERATION WANTS TO LIVE
DOWNTOWN.
IT'S A TRADE-OFF FROM A BACK
YARD TO BEING ABLE TO GO TO THE
AGO OR TO THE ROM OR TO BE ABLE
TO WALK.
AND I THINK THERE'S A REAL SHIFT
RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY UP TO US
AS PARTNERS WITH THE CITY AND
THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY TO MEET
THAT MARKET DEMAND AND ADDRESS IT.

Steve says LET ME PICK UP ON
WHAT CHERISE SAID A MOMENT AGO
ABOUT A CHANGE IN POLICY FROM
PRESUMABLY MUNICIPAL AND-OR THE
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT WHICH
WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO BUILD
MORE OF WHATEVER'S NEEDED.
DO YOU NEED THAT?

Steve Daniels says WELL, IT'S SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
THERE REALLY ISN'T ENOUGH SUPPLY
RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK PART OF
THE CHALLENGE IS REALLY AT THE
PROVINCIAL LEVEL, THAT THEY NEED
TO OPEN UP LAND TO ALLOW FOR
MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO BE
BUILT.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING... I'M NOT
TRYING TO PROMOTE URBAN SPRAWL,
BUT THERE REALLY IS A DEMAND
RIGHT NOW, AND THE DEMAND IS
BEING PUSHING THE CONDO MARKET
FOR MEETING THAT.

Steve says WHAT LAND DO YOU
THINK NEEDS OPENING UP?

Steve Daniels says I WOULD SAY IN THE SUBURBS,
JUST OUTSIDE THE GTA.

Steve says GREEN BELT?

Steve Daniels says I THINK THERE'S SOME AREAS IN
THE GREEN BELT THAT THIS COULD OCCUR.

Steve says CHERISE, GO FOR IT.

Cherise says I WOULD SAY
A COUPLE OF THINGS COME TO MIND
WITH A RALLY CRY FOR SUPPLY.
IT'S WE NEED MORE SUPPLY IN
ORDER TO DEAL WITH
AFFORDABILITY.
A COUPLE OF ISSUES TO UNPACK
THERE.
THE FIRST ONE, I THINK THERE'S
THIS MYTHOLOGY THAT WE'RE
BUMPING AGAINST THE GREEN BELT
AND WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANY MORE
SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND WE ARE.
THERE ARE DECADES OF LAND
AVAILABLE TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

Steve says WITHIN THE 416?

Cherise says NO, NOT IN THE 416.
WE CAN'T.
THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT THESE
SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE 416.
BUT ON THE FRINGES, WHERE WE'VE
ALREADY... WHERE OUR ALREADY
URBANIZED FOOTPRINT IS.

Steve says WITHOUT GOING INTO
THE GREEN BELT.

Cherise says WE CAN GO INTO THE GREEN
FIELDS WHICH ARE ALLOCATED FOR
MUNICIPALITIES TO CONTINUE TO
BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THAT EXISTS.
THEY CAN BUILD HOMES FOR THE
NEXT COUPLE OF DECADES.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT
WHAT WE WANT TO BE FOCUSING OUR
ENERGY ON?
THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE LONGER
COMMUTES, IT'S GOING TO CREATE
MORE CONGESTION AND CREATE THE
ECONOMIC COSTS OF CONGESTION.
AND WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT,
EVEN THOUGH THAT LAND IS
AVAILABLE, DO WE WANT TO BE
CONSUMING IT QUICKLY JUST WITHIN
OUR GENERATION?
DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT PRESERVING
IT FOR OTHER VALUES, WHETHER
AGRICULTURAL, CLIMATE CHANGE?
ALL THAT TO SAY THE HOMES ARE
AVAILABLE, THEY'RE BEING BUILT.
PEOPLE CAN STILL DRIVE TO
QUALIFY FOR THOSE HOMES AND
DRIVE FURTHER AND FURTHER
AFIELD.
WHAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON
IS BUILDING THE RIGHT SUPPLY IN
A MORE PROXIMATE NEIGHBOURHOODS
THAT ARE CLOSE TO OUR JOBS AND
TRANSIT AND SCHOOLS AND
SERVICES.

Steve says AND THE RIGHT SUPPLY
MEANS WHAT?

Cherise says WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE
FAMILY FRIENDLY PIECE OF THAT.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THAT FAMILY
FRIENDLY PIECE NEEDS TO GET
BUILT.
WE'RE LACKING THAT SUPPLY.
SO, AGAIN, TO BE SAYING LET'S
JUST BUILD SUPPLY AND I KNOW
THERE'S A BIT OF A FOCUS ON
STREAMLINING THE APPROVAL
PROCESS SO WE GET MORE SUPPLY IN
THE PIPELINE.
IF WE DON'T BUILD THE RIGHT
SUPPLY AND WE'RE BUILDING MORE
OF THE SMALLER UNITS, THAT'S NOT
GOING TO HELP US.

Ann-Marie says OUR
DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE IS A VERY
ACTIVE PIPELINE.
WE HAVE OVER 360,000 UNITS IN
THAT PIPELINE BETWEEN... WITHIN
THE PAST YEAR, THERE'S BEEN AN
ADDITIONAL 50,000 ADDED TO IT.
SO WE FEEL THAT THE PIPELINE IS
VERY ACTIVE IN TORONTO.

Steve says EVEN WITH
FAMILY-FRIENDLY STUFF?

Ann-Marie says RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
INFORMING.
WE'RE INFORMING THROUGH THIS
STUDY THE FAMILY-FRIENDLY AND
WE'RE WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS
TO... THE GUIDELINES HAVE JUST
BASICALLY BEEN APPROVED BY
COUNCIL LAST SPRING.
THEY'RE COMING.
THEY'RE BASICALLY... SOME OF THE
POLICY INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE
PUTTING FORWARD REQUIRING 25 percent OF
TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS AT A
SIZE.
SO WE DON'T JUST REQUIRE... IN
THE PAST WE REQUIRED THE TWO AND
THREE BEDROOMS BUT THEY WERE
TINY LITTLE UNITS, AS CHERISE
MENTIONED, AND NOW WE'RE GETTING
APPROPRIATE SIZE.
WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF
INFORMING THAT SIZE, WE DIDN'T
JUST SIT IN A ROOM.
WE WENT OUT AND TALKED TO
FAMILIES.
WE WENT OUT AND DID A CONDO
HACK.
IT WAS FANTASTIC.
EVERYBODY'S BUSY, FAMILIES IN
PARTICULAR WITH YOUNGER
CHILDREN.
SO WE WENT IN TO SEE HOW
FAMILIES ARE USING THEIR
CONDOMINIUMS, AND WHAT THEY WERE
LOOKING FOR IN THEIR
CONDOMINIUM.

Steve says DO THEY MAKE IT WORK
IN SMALL SPACES?

Ann-Marie says ACTUALLY THE FIRST THING THEY
DO, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD SEE SOME
ALMOST UNIQUE KIND OF McB.C.
YVER CONDO HACKS.
THEY TOLD US IN NO UNCERTAIN
TERMS WE ARE HACKING OUR
PRIORITIES.
WE ARE DOWNSIZING WHAT WE FEEL
ARE PRIORITIES.

Steve says SHOULD WE PUT THE
PICTURE UP NOW?
THIS IS A GREAT PICTURE.

Ann-Marie says YES.

Steve says THERE WE GO.

A picture shows a stroller in a bathtub.

Ann-Marie says THAT'S OUR INFAMOUS PICTURE.
WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUT T-SHIRTS
ON THAT.
WE HAD A SURVEY...

Steve says YOU SHOULD DESCRIBE
WHAT THIS IS.

The caption changes to "Living in less."

Ann-Marie says WHEN WE DID THE CONDO HACKS,
WE WENT INTO THE CONDOMINIUMS
AND FAMILIES SHOWED US HOW THEY
LIVE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS, THE
FAMOUS STROLLER IN THE BATHTUB
IS THE PARKING SPACE FOR THE
STROLLER.
WHEN WE DID A SURVEY OF FAMILIES
ACROSS THE CITY, WHAT THEY SAID
IS WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THEIR
PRIMARY TRANSIT MODE, THEY
TALKED ABOUT THE STROLLER.
OVER EVEN PUBLIC TRANSIT AS A
TRANSIT MODE.
AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT,
WHEN YOU GO INTO SOME OF THE
BUILDINGS, IT'S HARD TO GET THE
STROLLER IN BETWEEN THE FIRST
DOOR AND THE SECOND DOOR TO EVEN
BUZZ IN OR GET INTO THE
BUILDING, TO GET INTO THE
ELEVATOR IT OCCUPIES, AND THEN
YOU FINALLY GET INTO YOUR UNIT,
YOU CAN REALLY ONLY GO SINGLE
FILE INTO THE UNIT AND THEN YOU
HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME PLACE TO
PARK.
SO INNOVATIVE FAMILIES PUT THEM
IN THE BATHTUB.
OUR GUIDELINES ARE SPEAKING TO
THE FACT, WHAT WE CALL THE
LANDING AND THE LAUNCH PAD OF
THE FAMILY, BEING THE ENTRYWAY,
SHOULD BE BIGGER.
THAT BASICALLY WE SHOULD HAVE
GOOD-SIZED BEDROOMS BECAUSE IT'S
NOT JUST ABOUT THE CHILDREN WHEN
THEY'RE UNDER FOUR YEARS OLD.
YOU ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
YOU RETAIN FAMILIES, AND SO YOU
HAVE TO HAVE A BEDROOM WHERE IT
CAN BE A YOUNG PERSON'S PLACE.

Steve says LET ME GET STEVE ON
THAT.
GO AHEAD.

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Steve Daniels says NO, I WOULD
ADD... WE WORKED WITH THE CITY
ON DEVELOPING THE GUIDELINES.
IT'S A GOOD THING.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S
ABOUT A GUIDING PRINCIPLE FROM
MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S
BARRIER-FREE.
IF YOU'RE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING
THAT ALLOWS THE STROLLER, TO
ALLOW THE LITTLE EXTRA SPACE FOR
PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF, THE
CONVENIENCES OF TAKING THE SPACE
ABOVE THE WASHER AND DRYER TO
PROVIDE MORE STORAGE, TO TAKE
WHAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE IN A
SINGLE FAMILY BACK YARD AND PUT
IT ON THE COMMON OUTDOOR AMENITY
SPACE THAT ALLOWS FOR THE AREA
TO BARBECUE.
BUT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE KIDS
PLAY IN A KID-FRIENDLY AREA.
TO ALLOW THE MOTHER OR FATHER TO
BE ABLE TO WORK OUT.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
GLASS IS A PLAYROOM AREA FOR THE
KIDS TO ACTUALLY SIT THERE.
TO HAVE ANOTHER SPACE THAT DEALS
WITH THE TWEENS OR THE TEENS AND
ALLOW THEM TO GO AND GET OUT OF
THE UNIT TO GO DOWN AND HAVE A
STUDY ROOM.
WE'RE ACTUALLY PROVIDING PODS
FOR THEM TO FOCUS, LIKE WE
TYPICALLY, BACK IN THE DAY, HAD
A LIBRARY AT UNIVERSITY TO GO
AND FOCUS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE RECOGNIZE AND WORKING WITH
THE CITY'S GUIDELINES AND SEE
OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO ADDRESS
THESE.
AND IT'S TAKING AND LOOKING AT,
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL PARENTS AT
SOME POINT IN THEIR LIVES OR
KIDS AND UNDERSTANDING THOSE
CONVENIENCES.
AGAIN, STORAGE.
WE CAN ALL FIND MORE STORAGE
SPACE.
IT'S A MATTER OF HAVING AN EYE
TO IT WITH A DESIGN, WITH THE
ARCHITECT AND PUTTING PEN TO
PAPER AND MAKING IT HAPPEN.

Steve says CHERISE, DOES THIS,
THOUGH, REQUIRE A PRETTY
SIGNIFICANT SHIFT IN OUR
THINKING AND OUR CULTURE
INASMUCH AS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S
STILL A HUGE DEMOGRAPHIC IN THIS
PROVINCE THAT THINKS THAT IF
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A FAMILY,
YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A WHITE
PICKET FENCE AND A GARAGE FOR
TWO CARS AND THE WHOLE NINE
YARDS.
WE NEED A RE-THINK OF THIS,
DON'T WE, IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE
THIS WORK GOING FORWARD, 20, 25 YEARS?

Cherise says YEAH.
SOMETHING OUR DATA SHOWED US IS
COMING OUT IN FIVE YEARS AND
IT'S REALLY GREAT TO HEAR THAT
NOW THAT THE CITY AND HOPEFULLY
THE PROVINCE IS RESPONDING TO
THIS AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO
AND HAVE THE GUIDELINES TO MAKE
SURE THAT TREND SHIFTS AROUND.
BUT I THINK ONE OF THOSE
CULTURAL RE-THINKS REALLY PLAYS
OUT IN NEIGHBOURHOODS AT THE
GROUND LEVEL.
WE TALK ABOUT FITTING FAMILIES
INTO CONDOS.
WE NEED TO FIT CONDOS INTO
NEIGHBOURHOODS.
AND I'M THINKING SOME OF THOSE
ESTABLISHED NEIGHBOURHOODS THAT
DON'T WANT DENSITY AT ALL COSTS.

Steve says NAME NAMES.

Cherise says SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBOURHOODS
THAT ARE MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY
HOMES.
THERE'S A BIT OF FEAR ATTACHED
TO, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BRING
IN DENSITY?
I THINK IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH
THAT CULTURE SHIFT, IT'S WORKING
MORE CLOSELY WITH THE COMMUNITY
IN THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS DO AND
SOME OTHER DEVELOPERS.
ONE OF THE THINGS I ALWAYS SAY
IS PEOPLE ARE SO FOCUSED IN
THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS OR IN
OPPOSITION, THEY JUST WANT TO
TALK ABOUT DENSITY AND THEY WANT
TO TALK ABOUT HEIGHT.
WHAT THEY NEED TO BE TALKING
ABOUT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE
GROUND LEVEL.
LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO GET A
PLAYROOM?
ARE WE GOING TO GET SOMETHING TO
WASH OUR DOG IN?
LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET
IN EXCHANGE?
WHAT TYPE OF RETAIL DO WE WANT?
DO WE WANT A LITTLE GROCERY
STORE?
HOW DO WE WANT OUR STREETSCAPE
OR OUR SIDEWALKS TO BE ANIMATED,
BENCHES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
COMMUNITY TO BENEFIT FROM THIS
DEVELOPMENT.
THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT INTO THE
PLANNING PROCESS SO THAT FROM
THE GET-GO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE POSITIVES.

Steve says DO YOU FIND THAT
NEIGHBOURHOOD GROUPS ARE SORT OF
STUCK IN THE SAME OLD DEBATES
ABOUT TOO MUCH HEIGHT OR TOO
MUCH DENSITY AND NOT CREATIVE,
CREATIVELY LOOKING AT IT THE WAY
CHERISE JUST DESCRIBED?

Ann-Marie says THE WORK
THAT MY TEAM DOES IN THE CITY IS
WE ARE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF
MAJOR STUDIES ACROSS THE CITY
AND SORT OF CHANGING THE CITY,
WHETHER IT'S THE DOWNTOWN OR
YONGE-EGLINTON OR VICTORIA PARK
AND SHEPPARD.
AND IN THOSE COMMUNITIES AND
KILLAM-FINCH, THERE IS AN
APPETITE IN TERMS OF
INTENSIFICATION AND WANTING A
RANGE OF HOUSING.
THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY AN
ADVERSITY ACROSS THE BOARD IN
TERMS OF TALL.
PEOPLE WANT MID-RISE.
PEOPLE WANT TO SEE SOME
LOW-RISE...

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Steve says CAN YOU PUT NUMBERS
ON THIS?

Ann-Marie says A LOW-RISE TENDS TO BE UP TO
FOUR STOREYS, MID-RISE BETWEEN
SIX TO EIGHT STOREYS, AND
HIGH-RISE IS ABOVE THAT.

Steve says GO FORWARD.

Ann-Marie says AND THE DOWNTOWN AND
YONGE-EGLINTON, WE'RE SEEING A
HUGE AMOUNT ABOVE, YOU KNOW, 30,
40 STOREYS.

Steve says I THINK WE'VE GOT
TWO 50s ACROSS THE ROAD FROM
HERE.

Ann-Marie says DOWNTOWN IS GOING TO DOUBLE.
WE HAVE PROJECTIONS THAT
DOWNTOWN IS DOUBLING IN
POPULATION, YONGE-EGLINTON WILL
BE DOUBLING, EGLINTON CROSSTOWN
AND INTENSIFICATION HAPPENING
THERE, AND THE GOLDEN MILE...

Steve says SCARBOROUGH, EAST OF HERE.

Ann-Marie says BETWEEN BASICALLY VICTORIA
PARK AND... I FORGET.

Steve says SCARBOROUGH, YEAH.

Ann-Marie says AND THEN FURTHER ALONG
EGLINTON.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THERE
IS DEFINITELY THE INTEREST
THERE, AND YOU KNOW SOMETIMES
THE CONVERSATIONS ARE DIFFERENT
IF PEOPLE HAVEN'T HAD THE
EXPERIENCE OF WORKING AND SEEING
DEVELOPMENT AND CHANGE.
BUT WE HAVE I THINK REALLY GOOD
CONSULTATION PROCESSES.

Steve says LET ME FIND OUT
ABOUT THAT.

Ann-Marie says THE DEVELOPERS ARE ACTUALLY
REALLY A GREAT PARTNER WITH US
IN TERMS OF HAVING THOSE
CONVERSATIONS.

Steve says I WANT TO FIND OUT
MORE ABOUT THAT.
OKAY.
I COVERED CITY HALL 35 YEARS
AGO.
I WAS ONE OF THOSE REPORTERS WHO
USED TO BE DOWN THERE.
THERE WERE GREAT FIGHTS BETWEEN
THE CITY AND DEVELOPERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE STILL ARE.
THERE WERE GREAT FIGHTS ABOUT
WHO WANTED TO BUILD WHAT AND SO
ON.
ARE YOU STILL HAVING TO FIGHT
WITH CITY HALL TO GET BUILT WHAT
YOU WANT TO GET BUILT VERSUS TO
GET BUILT WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO
BUILD?

Steve Daniels says WE HAVE OUR CHALLENGES AT THE END OF THE DAY.

Steve says IS THAT A NICE WAY
OF SAYING "YES"?

Steve Daniels says WE HAVE OUR CHALLENGES,
STEVE.
AND OUR APPROACH IS ALWAYS TO
WORK WITH CITY STAFF AND COME UP
WITH SOLUTIONS TO THAT.
IT'S LIKE TAKING A CIRCLE AND A
SQUARE AND MAKING THEM FIT.
YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE AND TAKE TO
MAKE IT COME TOGETHER.
AND I THINK AT THE END OF THE
DAY WE, AS MUCH AS THERE'S
CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE TO TRY
AND GET OUR APPROVALS, IT'S A
PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO GO
THROUGH, AND I THINK SOME OF
THOSE CHALLENGES IS REALLY WITH
THE COMMUNITY IS A GENERATIONAL
DIVIDE, AS I SEE IT.
THERE'S A LARGE RETIRED
POPULATION THAT'S OUT THERE THAT
SEEMS TO HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO
GO TO THESE MEETINGS, AND THEN
THERE'S THE WORKING CLASS, THE
MILLENNIALS, IF YOU WANT TO CALL
IT, GENERATION Xs, THAT CAN'T
ALWAYS GET TO THOSE MEETINGS AT
THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT TO VOICE,
"YES, WE ACTUALLY DO WANT
SOMETHING."
AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN
WELL-PUBLICIZED IN THE MEDIA,
THAT THERE'S A BIT OF A SHIFT IN
THE DOWNTOWN THAT PEOPLE OF A
CERTAIN GENERATION ARE LOOKING
FOR, YES, WE WANT
INTENSIFICATION IN THE DOWNTOWN.

Steve says IF CHERISE WE'RE
GOING TO BUILD THESE KIND OF
FAMILY-FRIENDLY CONDOMINIUMS,
DOESN'T THAT ALSO SUGGEST WE'RE
GOING TO NEED SCHOOLS, PARKS,
COMMUNITY CENTRES AROUND ALL OF
THESE THINGS AND, YOU KNOW, IS
THAT IN THE PIPELINE AS WELL?

Cherise says WELL, I
THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY FOLLOWS AT
SOME POINT.
BUT WE CAN BE PROACTIVE WITH
THAT.
AND I WOULD SAY THERE'S LOTS OF
OPPORTUNITIES TO LEVERAGE PUBLIC
ASSETS TO CREATE COMPLETE
COMMUNITIES.
FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S LOOK AT
GO-STATIONS.
WE'RE INVESTING 16 BILLION dollars INTO
UPGRADING OUR GO NETWORK TO
REGIONAL EXPRESS RAIL.
HUGE AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT.
THOSE ARE PARKING LOTS.
WE COULD BE TRANSFORMING THOSE
INTO COMPLETE COMMUNITIES WITH
LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF
RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS TO SERVE
DIFFERENT FAMILY BUDGETS, FAMILY
SIZES, RENTAL, OWNERSHIP.
IF IT MAKES SENSE, EMPLOYMENT AS
WELL, RETAIL, THINGS LIKE THAT,
SERVICES, SCHOOLS, WHAT HAVE
YOU, INTEGRATE INTO THE REST OF
THE NEIGHBOURHOOD, YOU KNOW,
INTEGRATE CYCLING, THINGS LIKE
THAT.
BUT IN ORDER TO DO THIS, I THINK
IT CREATES A HUGE OPPORTUNITY
WITH THE PUBLIC LAND OWNED BY
THE PROVINCE, YOU BRING TO THE
TABLE THE LAND, THE TRANSIT
LINE.
PARTNER WITH A DEVELOPER OR A
NUMBER OF DEVELOPERS.
AND RATHER THAN JUST A ONE-TIME
DEVELOPMENT CHARGE, SHARE IN THE
PROFITS.
USE THAT MONEY TO REINVEST IN
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TRANSIT...

Steve says DO WE DO THAT?

Cherise says WE'RE NOT DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.

Steve says WE NEED TO
DO A BETTER JOB.

Cherise says THE OTHER
THING IS YOU HAVE A SAY IN WHAT
GETS BUILT THERE.
YOU'RE NOT SITTING AND WAITING
TO SEE WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE
PIPELINE.
YOU KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE BUILD
AND YOU'RE PROACTIVE AND YOU
WANT A SHARE OF REVENUES.

Steve says DO YOU WANT THE CITY
AS A PARTNER?

Steve Daniels says ABSOLUTELY.

Steve says YOU DON'T WANT THEM
TO MIND THEIR OWN DAMN BUSINESS?

Steve Daniels says WE HAVE TO DO THIS TOGETHER
IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CITY I
WANT TO LIVE IN AND IT'S GOING
TO WORK TOGETHER.
WE'RE DOING WORK AT TORONTO
COMMUNITY HOUSING, AND WE SEE
THIS AS... YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING
THE RIGHT THING.
IT'S TAKING THOSE AREAS OF THE
CITY AND REINVESTING IN THEM AND
INTRODUCING MARKET CONDOS WHERE
WE'RE COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE NOT PART OF THE COMMUNITY
YET BUT WE'RE BECOMING PART OF
THAT COMMUNITY.
IT'S A GOOD THING.

Ann-Marie says IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IN
TERMS OF A NET BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE
PARTICULARLY THE COMMUNITY
INFRASTRUCTURE IS BASICALLY
ALIGNED WITH GROWTH.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG PIECES
THAT PEOPLE FELT THAT THERE'S
BEEN TOO MUCH GROWTH WITHOUT THE
INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER THAT'S
PARKS OR COMMUNITY FACILITIES OR
CHILD CARE OR SCHOOLS.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE
HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STRIKE
A BALANCE.
THAT'S WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE A
LIVABLE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE A COMPLETE
COMMUNITY.
SO WHEN WE'RE DOING SORT OF MORE
OF OUR STARTING FROM NEW TYPES
OF DEVELOPMENT AT EGLINTON, WHEN
WE DO MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES,
WE TEND TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT
ALIGNMENT HAPPENS.
WHEN WE'RE IN AN INFILL CONTEXT,
IT'S A BIT MORE COMPLICATED.
WHEN CHILD CARE COMES ONLINE IN
DOWNTOWN AND EGLINTON AND IN THE
DOWNTOWN SCHOOLS.
WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS RIGHT NOW
WE HAVE TWO NEW CHILD CARES THAT
ARE GOING TO BE INTEGRATED IN
THE BASE OF RESIDENTIAL
BUILDINGS IN THE YONGE-EGLINTON
AREA, WE'VE WORKED WITH OUR
DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS IN THE
DOWNTOWN, EVEN LOOKING AT
SCHOOLS INTEGRATED AT THE BASE
OF CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS AND
OTHER CHILD CARES AND SCHOOLS.

Steve says WE HAVE TWO
DAY CARES OUT IN SCARBOROUGH IN
OUR METROGATE PROJECT.
IT HELPS SELL THE PRODUCT AT THE
END OF THE DAY.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SCHOOLS,
IF WE DON'T HAVE THE DAY CARES,
IF WE DON'T HAVE WHAT SUPPORTS
THE COMMUNITY IN PLACE, IT'S
DIFFICULT TO SELL A PRODUCT.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT,
GOING BACK TO YOUR POINT AS A
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, IF WE
DON'T HAVE THOSE KEY COMPONENTS
AND PROGRAMMING OF THAT SPACE
CORRECT, IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT
FOR US AT THE END OF THE DAY TO
SELL A PRODUCT.
AND IF WE CAN SELL A PRODUCT AND
EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE THE WAY
IT SHOULD BE, IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYONE.

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Steve says I'M DELIGHTED WE'VE
SOLVED THIS ENTIRE PROBLEM IN
THE LAST 30 MINUTES.
WELL DONE, TVO.
CAN I THANK ANN-MARIE NASR FROM
THE CITY OF TORONTO, AND CHERISE
BURDA FROM THE RYERSON CITY
BUILDING INSTITUTE, AND STEVE
DANIELS FROM TRIDEL FOR BEING ON
OUR PROGRAM THIS EVENING.
THANKS SO MUCH, EVERYBODY.

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