Transcript: Patrick Brown: The Once and Future PC Leader? | Feb 22, 2018

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and lavender tie.

A caption on screen reads "The once and future PC Leader? @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says LAST THURSDAY, WE HAD
THE FOUR DECLARED CANDIDATES FOR
THE ONTARIO PC PARTY LEADERSHIP
HERE FOR AN ALL-CANDIDATES
DEBATE.
WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT TIME
WAS THAT WE ACTUALLY
DIDN'T
HAVE
ALL
THE CANDIDATES IN THIS
STUDIO BECAUSE, SINCE THEN, ONE
MORE HAS JUMPED IN.
AND IN A SEASON OF ONE
UNPRECEDENTED THING AFTER
ANOTHER, THAT CANDIDATE IS
PATRICK BROWN, WHO'S TRYING TO
SUCCEED HIMSELF AS PC PARTY LEADER.
AND THE INDEPENDENT MPP FROM
SIMCOE NORTH JOINS US NOW.

Brown is in his late thirties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He's wearing a light gray pinstripe suit, gray shirt, and green tie.

Steve continues THANKS FOR MAKING TIME FOR US IN
YOUR SCHEDULE.

Brown says ALWAYS HAVE
TO MAKE TIME FOR STEVE PAIKIN.

Steve says THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LET'S DO OUR FULL DISCLOSURE OFF
THE TOP.
MY WIFE IS A PC POLICY
VOLUNTEER, PARTICIPATED IN THE
PEOPLE'S GUARANTEE, WE PUT THAT
OUT THERE FOR EVERYBODY'S
EDIFICATION.
YOU DID AN INTERVIEW ON GLOBAL
TV WITH CAROLINE JARVIS WHICH
TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT THE
ALLEGATIONS LEADING TO YOUR
DEPARTURE AS PC LEADER.
THE STORY HAS PRETTY MUCH
CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE
THEN.
SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON AND
CONTINUE WITH THE EVENTS OF THE
PAST 72 HOURS.
AND TO THAT END, I WANT TO START
WITH THIS MEETING THAT YOU HAD
THE OTHER NIGHT WITH THE
PROVINCIAL NOMINATIONS COMMITTEE
WHICH IS THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE
IN YOUR PARTY THAT BASICALLY
VETS ALL THE CANDIDATES WHO WANT
TO RUN FOR LEADERSHIP.
I WAS CERTAINLY LED TO BELIEVE
THAT YOU WEREN'T GOING TO PASS
THAT PROCESS, AND THEN YOU DID.
WHAT DID YOU SAY TO THEM THAT
PRETTY CLEARLY CHANGED SOME
MINDS ON THAT COMMITTEE?

The caption changes to "Patrick Brown. Independent MPP, Simcoe North."
Then, it changes again to "Getting the seal of approval."

Brown says THE TRUTH IS ON MY SIDE.
AND WE HAD A VERY LONG MEETING
AND POINT BY POINT WAS ABLE TO
SHOW THAT THERE WAS NO CONCERNS.
THEY DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
AND FRANKLY, I THINK IT SPEAKS
TO SOMETHING LARGER HERE.
THE FACT THAT MY POLITICAL
ADVERSARIES WERE TRYING
EVERYTHING, ABSOLUTELY
EVERYTHING, TO PREVENT ME FROM
RUNNING, LEADS YOU TO THE
QUESTION: WHY?
WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO KICK ME
WHEN I'M DOWN?
WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO PREVENT
THE MEMBERSHIP FROM HAVING A SAY
ON WHO IS THE LEADER OF THE PARTY?

Steve says YOU'VE ASKED THE QUESTION.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ANSWER IS?

Brown says I THINK THEY KNOW THERE'S
WIDESPREAD SUPPORT IN THE GRASS ROOTS.
THE GRASS ROOTS, LIKE EVERYDAY
ONTARIANS, ARE SAYING THEY DON'T
LIKE WHAT HAPPENED, IT DOESN'T
PASS THE SMELL TEST.
THEY KNOW I WAS SET UP.
AND FRANKLY THEY'RE PEEVED.
THERE WAS SO MUCH EXCITEMENT IN
THE PARTY BEFORE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD BUILT A POLICY
PLATFORM THAT WAS FULLY COSTED,
THAT WAS A HOME RUN WITH THE
GENERAL PUBLIC, WE WERE WINNING
BY-ELECTIONS, WE HAD RAISED MORE
MONEY THAN AT ANY POINT IN THE
PARTY HISTORY, OUR MEMBERSHIP
WERE REACHING RECORD LEVELS.

Steve says WHY WOULD THEY WANT
TO TAKE YOU DOWN?
THOSE ARE ALL POSITIVE THINGS?

Brown says THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET TO
THE BOTTOM OF.
I KNOW I WAS SET UP, IT WAS
BASED ON ABSOLUTE LIES AND
FABRICATIONS.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'M FOCUSED ON
IS TURNING OVER EVERY STONE SO I
CAN SEE WHO WAS BEHIND THE
SETUP.
I HAVE A GOOD IDEA.
I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT
TONIGHT.

Steve says REALLY?

Brown says IT WILL COME OUT IN GOOD
TIME.
I WILL SAY IT WAS CERTAINLY
POLITICAL ADVERSARIES?

Steve says INSIDE OR OUTSIDE
THE PARTY?

Brown says YOU'LL HAVE TO STAY TUNED?
INSIDE OR OUTSIDE?
PROVINCIAL TORIES?

The caption changes to "Getting to the source."

Brown says UNFORTUNATELY I THINK IT'S
BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE
PARTY.
I DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE THE
INVESTIGATION THAT'S CURRENTLY
UNDERWAY.
IN DUE TIME THE TRUTH WILL COME
OUT AND THESE PEOPLE WILL BE
EXPOSED.
LET ME SAY THE FACT THAT
SOMETHING LIKE THIS CAN HAPPEN
IN ONTARIO, IN CANADA, SHOULD
NEVER BE TOLERATED OR ALLOWED.
YOU HEAR OF STORIES LIKE THIS IN
RUSSIA.
IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN IN OUR
DEMOCRACY, AND AS MUCH AS THEY
KNOCKED ME DOWN, AS MUCH AS THEY
HAD A TRUCK RUN OVER ME AND I
WAS GUTTED, ABSOLUTELY GUTTED...

Steve says WAS IT THE PEOPLE
AROUND YOU IN YOUR FORMER
LEADER'S OFFICE WHO DID THIS?

Brown says LISTEN, I'M NOT GOING TO GET
INTO THAT HERE ALL ASPECTS OF
THOSE INVOLVED, IT WILL GET OUT
AT SOME POINT.

Steve says WHO IS INVESTIGATING THIS?

Brown says LISTEN, STEVE, I'M NOT GOING
TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE
EFFORT UNDER THIS INVESTIGATION.
I DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE IT.
BUT WE ARE TAKING IT VERY
SERIOUSLY.
LET ME SAY, EVERY STONE WILL
BE... EVERY STONE WILL BE LIFTED
AND LOOKED AT, EVERY ASPECT OF
THIS INVESTIGATION IS BEING
EXAMINED BY THE VERY BEST.

Steve says LET'S GO BACK TO
THIS PROCESS THAT GOT YOU
GREEN-LIT AS A LEADERSHIP
CONTENDER.
AGAIN, I HAD BEEN TOLD THAT THEY
HAD MANY, MANY QUESTIONS, THIS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE OF YOUR PARTY,
THEY HAD MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT
VARIOUS FINANCIAL ASPECTS ABOUT
HOW YOU RAN THINGS, AND CLEARLY,
THE ANSWERS YOU GAVE WERE
SATISFACTORY ENOUGH THAT YOU
MANAGED TO GET THE MAJORITY OF
THE PEOPLE TO GREEN-LIGHT YOU.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M TOLD
THEY WANTED TO KNOW IS HOW YOU
MANAGED TO BUY A HOUSE IN BARRIE
WORTH MORE THAN 2 MILLION BUCKS
ON YOUR SALARY WHICH MOST PEOPLE
THINK WOULDN'T COVER THAT KIND
OF A NUT.
SO WHAT DID YOU TELL THEM?

The caption changes to "The hard numbers."

Brown says FIRST OF ALL, MY SALARY WAS
WELL IN EXCESS OF THE MORTGAGE PAYMENTS.

Steve says DID YOUR PARENTS
HELP YOU BUY THE HOME?

Brown says THE FACT THAT MY FINANCIAL
DOCUMENTS... MY FINANCIAL
INFORMATION WAS STOLEN BY A
SENIOR MEMBER OF MY FORMER STAFF
IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE
OFFENSIVE TO EVERY CANADIAN.

The caption changes to "Watch us on Facebook Live: Weekdays at 8 PM."

Steve says STOLEN HOW?

Brown says MY PERSONAL PAPERWORK WAS AT
QUEEN'S PARK.
I KEPT A FILE OF MY PERSONAL
FINANCES, AND IT WAS STOLEN.

Steve says I MEAN, I THINK IT'S
MORE THAN PRURIENT INTEREST THAT
PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWERS
TO THESE QUESTIONS, IT'S
CLEARLY... I THINK THESE
QUESTIONS ARE BEING ASKED
BECAUSE THEY WONDER WHETHER YOU
ARE SOMEHOW IN HOCK IS THE WRONG
WORD.
WHAT AM I LOOKING FOR HERE?
YOU OWE SOMEBODY.
YOU OWE A WEALTHY BENEFACTOR SOMETHING.

The caption changes to "Patrick Brown, @brownbarrie."

Brown says I THINK IT'S THE OPPOSITE,
STEVE.
I DON'T OWE ANYTHING TO ANYONE.
THAT'S WHAT SCARES PEOPLE.
WHEN I WON THE PARTY LEADERSHIP
IN 2015, NO ONE THOUGHT I HAD A
CHANCE.
YOU REMEMBER THAT.
NO ONE THOUGHT I HAD A CHANCE.
PEOPLE ARE USED TO HAVING
SPECIAL INTERESTS CONTROL
POLITICIANS AT QUEEN'S PARK AND
IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.
THE PROBLEM IS I CAME OUT OF
NOWHERE AND NO ONE, NO ONE
CONTROLLED ME.
AND I WAS GOING TO DO WHATEVER I
THOUGHT WAS IN THE BEST
INTERESTS OF ONTARIO AND I GAVE
A PITCH EVERYWHERE I WENT.
THERE'S NO MONOPOLY ON A GOOD
IDEA.
IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR ONTARIO,
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT.
WE BUILT A POLICY PLATFORM I'M
SO PROUD OF, THE PEOPLE'S
GUARANTEE.
THIS WAS A RECIPE TO GET ONTARIO
BACK ON TRACK.
I THINK THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT
SPECIAL INTERESTS WHO FEAR ME
BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T CONTROL ME.
THEY COULDN'T HAVE A SAY ON ME.

Steve says WE'RE GOING TO COME
BACK TO THAT.
AGAIN, ON THIS ISSUE OF WHETHER
YOU OWE ANYBODY ANYTHING, THERE
HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED REPORTS THAT
YOUR CANDIDATE IN BRAMPTON
NORTH, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY THE
PC CANDIDATE IN BRAMPTON NORTH,
JAS JOHAL HAD AN ARRANGEMENT
WHERE HE WOULD GIVE YOU MONEY
AND BUY AERO PLAN POINTS FOR
YOU...

Brown says NONSENSE.
NO BUSINESS DEAL EVERY HAPPENED
THERE.
I POINTED THAT OUT FACTUALLY IN
A RESPONSE ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
NOTHING.

Steve says HE GOT AN
UNCONTESTED NOMINATION IN
BRAMPTON NORTH, WHICH IS PRETTY
UNUSUAL.

Brown says I REALIZE PEOPLE ARE TRYING
TO PITCH ALTERNATIVE FACTS.
THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WON BRAMPTON
NORTH SOLD 6,200 MEMBERSHIPS,
6,200 MEMBERSHIPS.
I WASN'T INVOLVED AT THE MEETING
THAT APPROVED HIS CANDIDACY.
PEOPLE RALLIED AROUND HIM
BECAUSE HE SOLD SO MANY
MEMBERSHIPS.
6,200 MEMBERSHIPS.

Steve says NO QUID PRO QUO THERE?

Brown says ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I FIND THE NOTION OFFENSIVE.

Steve says THERE ARE ALSO
ALLEGATIONS THAT YOUR TRIPS WERE
PAID FOR... YOU TOOK 12, 13
TRIPS OR SOMETHING TO INDIA, AND
THAT SOMEBODY, SOME PRIVATE
BENEFACTOR AS OPPOSED TO THE PC
PARTY PAID FOR THOSE TRIPS?

Brown says I WENT TO INDIA TWICE.
IN MY LIFE I'VE BEEN NUMEROUS
TIMES.
BUT AS LEADER OF THE PC PARTY, I
WENT TWICE.
OBVIOUSLY I'VE MADE INCREDIBLE
INROADS AND HAVE A VERY SPECIAL
FRIENDSHIP WITH THE
INDO-CANADIAN COMMUNITY.
AS YOU KNOW, I WAS VISITING THE
PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA, WHO IS
A FRIEND.
AT A DELEGATION OF LEADING
INDO-CANADIANS, CAUCUS MEMBERS
WITH ME ON THE FIRST TRIP, AND
THOSE TRIPS TO INDIA WERE PAID
FOR BY THE ONTARIO PC PARTY.

Steve says BUT THE PC ONTARIO
FUND HAS DOCUMENTATION THAT
WOULD VERIFY YOUR STORY?

Brown says ABSOLUTELY.

Steve says LET'S ASK THE
OVERARCHING QUESTION HERE: WHY
ARE YOU VYING FOR YOUR OLD JOB?

The caption changes to "Throwing his hat in the ring."

Brown says I WORKED DAY IN, DAY OUT, TO
BUILD A MODERN, INCLUSIVE PC
PARTY.
WHEN I WON THE PARTY LEADERSHIP,
WE WERE 7 MILLION dollars IN DEBT.
WE HAD 12,000 PARTY MEMBERS THAT
DIDN'T EVEN FAINTLY REFLECT THE
MOSAIC OF ONTARIO.
AND TO BEAT KATHLEEN WYNNE, I
KNEW WE NEEDED TO CHANGE THE
OLD, THE SAME OLD, SAME OLD PC
PARTY AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT.
WE'VE RAISED MORE MONEY THAN
EVER BEFORE.
AND WHETHER YOU BELIEVE VIC
FEDELI'S NUMBERS OR THE PREVIOUS
LEADERSHIP, 200,000 MEMBERSHIPS,
WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, WE WERE
PREVIOUSLY 12,000.
EITHER WAY, WE'RE AT THE HIGHEST
POINT OF MEMBERSHIP WE'VE EVER
BEEN IN THE PARTY HISTORY.
WE USED TO BE LOSING
BY-ELECTIONS LEFT, RIGHT, AND
CENTRE.
BEFORE I CAME LEADER, WE WERE
BEING EMBARRASSED IN
BY-ELECTIONS AND WE WERE
WINNING.
AND SO IN PLACES WE HAD NO
BUSINESS, SAULT STE. MARIE AND
SCARBOROUGH... AND, STEVE, THE
REASON I'M RUNNING FOR THE
LEADERSHIP IS I WANT TO DEFEAT
KATHLEEN WYNNE ON JUNE 7TH.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE FINISH
THE PROJECT I STARTED...

Steve says THE QUESTION IS: ARE
YOU STILL THE BEST GUY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN?

Brown says ABSOLUTELY.
BECAUSE I'M THE ONLY PERSON WITH
A PLATFORM.
I'M THE ONLY PERSON WITH
DEEP-SEEDED RELATIONSHIPS AROUND
ONTARIO, WHETHER IT'S IN
NORTHERN COMMUNITIES, WHETHER
IT'S IN MULTICULTURAL TORONTO,
AND ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, I
WORRY ABOUT, FRANKLY, IS I'VE
SEEN WHERE THE LEADERSHIP DEBATE
WAS GOING.
WE WERE GETTING SIDETRACKED ON
ISSUES THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO
WITH OUR ABILITY TO GET ONTARIO
BACK ON TRACK...

Steve says THAT'S A REFERENCE
TO SOCIAL CONSERVATISM?

Brown says THE FACT THAT THE LEADERSHIP
DEBATE WAS BEING RELEGATED TO
DISCUSSIONS ON CLIMATE CHANGE
AND SEX ED AND I'M SORRY, STEVE,
BUT WE'VE MOVED ON.
WE HAVE A PLAN FOR THE PROVINCE.
LET ME SAY THIS: WE'VE GOT A
GREAT POLICY DOCUMENT.
THE FACT THAT EVERY OTHER
LEADERSHIP CANDIDATE IS RUNNING
AWAY FROM IT WILL BE THE BEST
GIFT TO KATHLEEN WYNNE.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CONSERVATIVES
INTRODUCE POLICY PLATFORMS OR
POLICY IDEAS MID ELECTION
CAMPAIGN THAT AREN'T COSTED,
WHERE THEY HAVEN'T DONE THEIR
DUE DILIGENCE.
THEY LOSE AND LOSE BADLY.
WE NEED A FULLY COSTED PLATFORM.
THERE IS NO TIME.
FRANKLY, THIS ISN'T JUST A
PLATFORM THAT I'VE EMBRACED.
THIS PLATFORM WAS BUILT BY OUR
GRASS ROOTS MEMBERS.
IT WASN'T A FEW PEOPLE AT
QUEEN'S PARK.
THIS WAS VOTED ON BY OUR PARTY
MEMBERSHIP.
PARTY MEMBERS PUT THEIR SWEAT
AND TOIL AND EFFORT INTO
BUILDING THIS DOCUMENT.
IT'S FULLY COSTED.
EVEN KEVIN PAGE ENDORSED THE
NUMBERS.
THE FACT THAT WE NOW WANT TO RUN
ON UNCOSTED PROMISES THAT ARE
BEING PITCHED MID ELECTION
CAMPAIGN WOULD BE INCREDIBLY
DANGEROUS, VERY IRRESPONSIBLE,
AND WOULD BE A GIFT TO THE
ONTARIO LIBERAL PARTY.

Steve says THAT IS ONE VIEW.
LET ME SHARE WITH YOU WHAT THE
GLOBE AND MAIL EDITORIALLY HAD
TO SAY ABOUT YOUR TRYING TO GET
BACK INTO THE RACE.

A quote appears on screen, under the title "The Patrick Brown show." The quote reads "Patrick Brown, the ousted leader of the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario, loves to say that the effort to end the Liberal Party's stranglehold on Queen's Park is 'bigger than one individual' –the very words he used in a Facebook post on Tuesday. And yet, everything Mr. Brown has done since he resigned as leader on January 25 has been a singular effort to make the PC Party and its leadership race precisely about himself...
Mister Brown is indifferent to the damage he is doing, and will continue to do, to a leadership race that ends in two-and-a-half weeks."
Editorial, The Globe and Mail. Febnruary 20, 2018.

Steve says THE QUESTION IS: IS
THIS ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL
REDEMPTION MORE THAN ABOUT THE
FUTURE OF THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO?

Brown says THIS IS ABOUT WINNING THE
JUNE 7TH PROVINCIAL ELECTION,
AND I FEEL THAT I'M THE ONLY
CANDIDATE IN THIS RACE EQUIPPED
TO DO THAT BECAUSE I'VE GOT A
PLATFORM AND I'VE GOT A TEAM
AND, FRANKLY, THE PEOPLE OF
ONTARIO, THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO
WANT SOMEONE WHO IS FIGHTER.
THEY WANT SOMEONE WHO WILL STAND
UP TO INJUSTICE.
YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE WHO WILL
JUST ROLL OVER.
I THINK THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO
WANT TO SEE SOMEONE WITH
TENACITY.
AND I WILL FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE
OF ONTARIO AND EVERY PART OF
THIS PROVINCE JUST LIKE I'M
FIGHTING BACK AGAINST THIS
INJUSTICE.
BECAUSE THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED
TO HAPPEN.
WE HAD SUCH A MOVEMENT AROUND
THE PROVINCE THAT HAD SUCH BROAD
SUPPORT, THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO I
KNOW ARE BEHIND ME.
THAT'S WHAT COUNTS.
NOT THE PEOPLE INSIDE THE BUBBLE
AT QUEEN'S PARK.

Steve says I HAVE HEARD FROM
NUMEROUS PEOPLE WHO SAID THE GUY
HAS MADE SOME STRIDES TO
CLEARING HIS NAME FROM THE
ISSUES THAT CAME UP IN THAT CTV
REPORT, BUT JUST AS MANY PEOPLE,
I HAVE TO TELL YOU, ARE
WONDERING WHY THIS IS THE BETTER
MOVE, THIS IS THE BETTER PLAY
FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
THEY THOUGHT THAT... THESE OTHER
FOLKS THOUGHT THAT IF YOU HAD
CONTINUED TO TRY TO CLEAR YOUR
NAME, WIN RE-ELECTION, PERHAPS BE
A CABINET MINISTER IN A FUTURE
PC GOVERNMENT IF IT WORKS OUT
THAT WAY, THAT WOULD BE SORT OF
GOOD ENOUGH.
THEY'RE WONDERING WHY YOU'RE
TAKING THIS EXTRA STEP WHICH,
LET'S FACE IT, HAS BROUGHT SOME
CHAOS INTO THE PARTY RIGHT NOW.

Brown says CHAOS FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT
HAVE PERPETRATED THIS.
CHAOS FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT
TO SEE ME GET UP AND FIGHT
AGAINST THIS INJUSTICE AND FIGHT
FOR THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO.
BUT IT COMES BACK TO THIS.
IT COMES BACK TO THE DOCUMENT
THAT WE BUILT WITH THE GRASS ROOTS.

Steve says ARE YOU THE ONLY
PERSON RUNNING ON THAT?

Brown says I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE
RUNNING ON A FULLY COSTED
PLATFORM, I'M THE ONLY PERSON
RUNNING ON THE PEOPLE'S GUARANTEE.

Steve says THAT'S WITH THE CARBON TAX.

The caption changes to "Reconstructing a platform."

Brown says THAT'S WITH EVERY PART OF
THIS POLICY PLATFORM.
LET ME SAY ON THE CARBON TAX...
LISTEN, I'M CONSERVATIVE.
NO CONSERVATIVE LIKES TO TAX.
IT'S INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST TO
SAY IF YOU'RE ELECTED ON
JUNE 7TH, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
ISN'T GOING TO HAVE CARBON
PRICING.
IT'S A FEDERAL REQUIREMENT.
I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH
PARTY MEMBERS AND PEOPLE OF ONTARIO.
THAT'S WHY THEY BUILT THIS
PLATFORM THIS WAY.
YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES, YOU LET
JUSTIN TRUDEAU SPEND THE MONEY
OR GIVE IT BACK TO THE PEOPLE.

Steve says SO THE OTHER
CANDIDATES WHO ARE RUNNING ON
THIS DOCUMENT BUT NOT WITH THE
CARBON TAX, YOU THINK THEIR
EFFORTS WITHOUT FUNDING THIS
PROGRAM IS WHAT?

Brown says IT'S INACCURATE.
THEY HAVE TWO CHOICES.
YOU LEAVE THE MONEY WITH JUSTIN
TRUDEAU, AND BY DOING NOTHING,
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE BILLIONS
WITH JUSTIN TRUDEAU TO
MISMANAGE, OR THEY CAN GIVE IT
BACK TO THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO.
AND IN THE PEOPLE'S GUARANTEE,
IT SAYS THAT, UNDER THE FEDERAL
CARBON PRICING REQUIREMENTS,
WHICH IS THE LAW OF THE LAND,
EVERY CENT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE
BACK TO THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO.
I KNOW IT MIGHT BE POPULAR TO
SAY, OH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING
TO FIGHT THIS.
BUT IT'S THERE JUNE 7TH.
UNLESS YOU DEFEAT JUSTIN
TRUDEAU, YOU'RE MISLEADING THE
PARTY MEMBERSHIP.
AND THE THING IS, THE PARTY
MEMBERSHIP GETS THAT.
THAT'S WHY THEY VOTED FOR THIS
DOCUMENT.
THAT'S WHY THE PARTY MEMBERSHIP
EMBRACED THIS DOCUMENT IN SUCH
OVERWHELMING NUMBERS.

Steve says I DID MENTION OFF
THE TOP THAT EVERY WEEK THAT
GOES BY, ONE MORE UNPRECEDENTED
THING SEEMS TO HAPPEN, AND I
SUSPECT, YOU KNOW, NEAR THE TOP
OF THE LIST WOULD BE THE FACT
THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY NOT A
PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE MPP
ANYMORE.
YOU'RE AN INDEPENDENT HAVING
BEEN EJECTED FROM THE CAUCUS BY
THE INTERIM LEADER.
HOW DOES IT WORK WHEREBY
SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT EVEN A
MEMBER OF THE CAUCUS IS GOING TO
RUN FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF THE
PARTY?
I MEAN, IF YOU WIN, WHO IS GOING
TO FOLLOW YOU?

The caption changes to "Uninvited from the party."

Brown says WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE
SUPPORT I'M GETTING FROM THE
PARTY MEMBERSHIP, FROM OUR
CANDIDATES, HAS BEEN
OVERWHELMING.
WE HAVE MORE CANDIDATES WHO HAVE
NOW ENDORSED ME THAN ALL OF THE
LEADERSHIP CANDIDATES COMBINED.
SUPPORT FROM MPPs, A NUMBER OF
MPPs, HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC.

Steve says ROMANO, TOBY BARRETT.
WHO ELSE?

Brown says THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF
MPPs...

Steve says WHO ELSE?

Brown says A NUMBER OF MPPs HAVE
OFFERED THEIR SUPPORT AND
THERE'S MORE TO COME.
I THINK EVERYBODY SAW VIC
FEDELI'S MOVE.
IT WAS A MOVE TO TRY TO PREVENT
ME FROM RUNNING.
THEY WERE USING PROCEDURAL
MECHANISMS THAT WOULD TRY TO
PREVENT MY CANDIDACY.
THEIR TRICKS DIDN'T WORK.
THEIR BACK ROOM GAMES DIDN'T WORK.
I'M A CANDIDATE FOR THE
LEADERSHIP OF THE PARTY.

Steve says HOW DID YOU FIND OUT
THAT YOU WERE BEING EXPELLED
FROM CAUCUS?

Brown says I WAS TOLD VERY CLEARLY.

Steve says BY WHOM?

Brown says WELL, I DON'T WANT TO GET
INTO NAMES.
BUT A MEMBER OF THE... A MEMBER
OF THE PNC.

Steve says PROVINCIAL
NOMINATION COMMITTEE.

Brown says TOLD ME IF I RAN FOR THE
LEADERSHIP THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN.

Steve says DID YOU FIGHT IT?

Brown says I DON'T GET BULLIED.
THEY CAN MAKE WHATEVER THREAT THEY WANT.

The caption changes to "Connect with us: @theagenda, TVO.org, Facebook, YouTube, Periscope, Instagram."

Steve says I MEAN WHEN THEY
TOLD YOU YOU WERE BEING EXPELLED
FROM CAUCUS, DID YOU FIGHT THAT?

Brown says THERE WAS NO... THERE WAS NO
CONVERSATION.
VIC FEDELI ANNOUNCED THIS TO THE
MEDIA.
IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO BLOCK MY
CANDIDACY.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE BULLIED
BY PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DO
THIS.
IT'S NOT RIGHT.
IT'S NOT FAIR.
IT'S NOT DEMOCRATIC.
AND THAT'S NOT MY NATURE.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE BULLIED OR
PUSHED AWAY.
I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I BELIEVE
IS RIGHT.

Steve says DO YOU HAVE AN
UNDERTAKING FROM ANY OF THE
OTHER LEADERSHIP CANDIDATES,
BECAUSE YOU CERTAINLY DON'T FROM
THE CURRENT INTERIM LEADER OF
THE PARTY, DO YOU HAVE AN
UNDERTAKING FROM ANY OF THE
OTHERS THAT IF THEY WIN THE
LEADERSHIP, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE
TO ALLOW IT'S A POSSIBILITY, IF
THEY WIN, THEY WILL GREEN-LIGHT
YOUR NOMINATION AS A PROGRESSIVE
CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE IN THE
NEXT ELECTION?

Brown says LET ME SAY, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY
CONVERSATIONS WITH TANYA GRANIC
ALLEN, SHE OBVIOUSLY HAS A
DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAN I DO
WHEN IT COMES TO ISSUES
IMPORTANT TO HER LIKE GAY RIGHTS
AND A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY
CONVERSATIONS WITH TANYA.

Steve says WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER THREE?

Brown says I'VE SPOKEN TO AND HAD
COMMUNICATION WITH THE OTHER THREE.
OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE ALL EAGERLY
PURSUING MY SUPPORT AND WERE ALL
EAGERLY TELLING ME HOW ELATED
THEY WOULD BE TO HAVE ME AS PART
OF THEIR TEAM, THEIR CORE TEAM
AT QUEEN'S PARK.

Steve says I'M NOT SURE THERE
WAS AN ANSWER THERE.
IS CHRISTINE ELLIOTT GOING TO
SIGN YOUR NOMINATION PAPERS IF
SHE'S THE LEADER?

Brown says ALL OTHER LEADERSHIP
CANDIDATES MADE IT CLEAR THEY
WANTED ME PART OF THEIR
LEADERSHIP TEAM AT QUEEN'S PARK.

Steve says IF YOU WIN, HOW DO
YOU PRESIDE OVER A CAUCUS WHICH
WILL INCLUDE VIC FEDELI AND
RANDY HILLIER, TWO PEOPLE WHO
HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY PUBLIC
ABOUT WHAT THEY PERCEIVE TO BE
AS SIGNIFICANT SHORTCOMINGS NEW
AS A POLITICIAN.
IN FACT HILLIER SAID THE OTHER
DAY YOU'RE NOT EVEN FIT TO SIT
AS A MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATURE.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

The caption changes to "Patrick Brown. PCPO Leadership Candidate."

Brown says I THINK MOST PEOPLE KNOW
RANDY HILLIER AND WHAT RANDY
HILLIER IS ABOUT.
LEADERSHIPS TEND TO BE
ADVERSARIAL.
LEADERSHIPS IN ANY PARTY TEND TO
BE VICIOUS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, MUCH OF THIS
AIRS IN THE MEDIA.
I WISH PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE
MEMBERS WOULD KEEP THEIR DEBATES
INTERNAL, BUT FOR THOSE PURSUING
A CERTAIN AGENDA, FOR THOSE WHO
HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS
SUBVERSION OF OUR DEMOCRACY, IT
DOESN'T SUIT THEIR INTERESTS TO
STAY QUIET.
THEY'RE TRYING TO INFLICT AS
MUCH DAMAGE AS THEY CAN.
LISTEN, I WASN'T THE PARTY
ESTABLISHMENT.
I WAS AN OUTSIDER.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
WERE ENJOYING THE WAY THINGS
WERE IN THE OLD PC PARTY AND I
UPSET THE APPLE CART.
BUT NO MATTER WHAT SWINGS THEY
TAKE AT ME, NO MATTER WHAT
SMEARS THEY SPREAD, I'M GOING TO
CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR WHAT I
BELIEVE IS RIGHT.

The caption changes to "Producer: Steve Paikin, @spaikin; Producer: Harrison Lowman, @harrisonlowman."

Steve says THAT'S PATRICK
BROWN, STILL CURRENTLY THE
INDEPENDENT MPP FOR SIMCOE NORTH
AND A CANDIDATE FOR THE PC PARTY
LEADERSHIP.
MR. BROWN, PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU
HERE ON TVO TONIGHT.

Brown says MY PLEASURE.

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