Transcript: Investigating Pot Laws | Feb 08, 2018

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a blue suit, white shirt, and striped red, pink and blue tie.

A caption reads "Investigating pot laws."

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Steve says THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT'S PLAN TO LEGALIZE
MARIJUANA STARTS BY
DECRIMINALIZING IT.
BUT EVEN AS THAT LEGISLATIVE
EFFORT GOES AHEAD, THERE ARE
MANY PEOPLE CURRENTLY
INCARCERATED FOR ACTIVITIES THAT
WILL SOON BE LEGAL.
THOSE FACTS RAISE SOME TOUGH
QUESTIONS ABOUT FAIRNESS, AND
MAY ALSO GIVE SOME GROUND FOR
LEGAL ACTION.
ANNAMARIA ENENAJOR PRACTICES
CRIMINAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
AT RUBY SHILLER and ENENAJOR, AND
SHE JOINS US NOW FOR MORE.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
THANKS FOR COMING IN.

Annamaria is in her thirties, with long curly brown hair in a top knot and wears a knitted beige top and a black blazer.

Annamaria says THANKS
FOR HAVING ME.

The caption changes to "Investigating pot laws. Decriminalizing the criminals."

Steve says THIS IS A SITUATION.
ONCE C-45 BECOMES LAW, THERE ARE
STILL GOING TO BE PEOPLE IN JAIL
FOR POT POSSESSION.
WHAT SHOULD WE DO ABOUT THAT?

The caption changes to "Annamaria Enenajor. Ruby Shiller and Enenajor."

Annamaria says IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT
ARE GOING TO BE IN JAIL FOR POT
POSSESSION, IT'S ALSO THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE CRIMINAL
RECORDS FOR THE REST OF THEIR
LIVES FOR POT POSSESSION.
AND THE REALITY IS THESE
CRIMINAL RECORDS HAVE A
DEVASTATING IMPACT ON THEIR
ABILITY TO GET JOBS, PARTICIPATE
FRUITFULLY IN THEIR COMMUNITIES
BY VOLUNTEERING WITH CHILDREN
AND CROSSING THE BORDER AS WELL.
SO REALLY, IT'S BEYOND JUST THE
DEPRIVATION OF LIBERTY.
IT'S ABOUT A QUALITY OF LIFE
THAT MORE PEOPLE THAN ARE JUST
INCARCERATED HAVE TO DEAL WITH
AS A RESULT OF THIS LEGACY.

Steve says SO LET'S PICK THOSE
TWO THINGS APART.
FOR THOSE WHO WILL STILL BE IN
JAIL AFTER MARIJUANA IS
LEGALIZED, WHAT SHOULD WE DO
ABOUT THEM?

Annamaria says I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT THE
LAW IS STRUCTURED AND THE WAY WE
CONSTITUTIONALLY LOOK AT LAWS IS
THAT THEY HAVE TO SERVE OUT
THEIR SENTENCE BECAUSE WHAT THEY
DID AT THE TIME OF THE OFFENCE
WAS ILLEGAL AT THE TIME.

Steve says BUT IT ISN'T
ANYMORE.

Annamaria says BUT IT ISN'T ANYMORE.
AND SO THAT RAISES THE QUESTION
OF FAIRNESS, WHAT WE CAN
RETROACTIVELY DO TO ASSIST THESE
PEOPLE.
BECAUSE WE HAVE COME TO THE
REALIZATION THAT MARIJUANA AND
CANNABIS IN GENERAL IS A
SUBSTANCE THAT SHOULD BE DEALT
WITH MORE LIKE ALCOHOL, IN THAT
IT SHOULD BE REGULATED AND IT
SHOULDN'T BE CRIMINALIZED
BECAUSE THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO
DOING THAT FOR SOCIETY.

Steve says SO SHOULD WE SAY THE
DAY AFTER THIS IS LEGALIZED, ALL
YOU PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR POT
POSSESSION IN THE PAST, LET'S
OPEN THE DOORS, YOU COME OUT,
YOU'RE FREE?

The caption changes to "Annamaria Enenajor. @Aenenajor."

Annamaria says IT'S TEMPTING TO DO THAT.
I DOUBT THE GOVERNMENT WILL GO
THAT ROUTE.
I THINK WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN
CONTEMPLATING, PARTICULARLY THE
OPPOSITION PARTIES AND
PARTICULARLY INDIVIDUALS AND
GROUPS THAT WORK TO ADVOCATE ON
BEHALF OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO
HAVE HAD THEIR LIVES DEVASTATED
BY THESE KINDS OF CONVICTIONS,
IS LOOKING FOR AN AMNESTY, AND
AN AMNESTY IS A RETROACTIVE
DECISION THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN
MAKE IN ORDER TO WIPE OUT THE
RECORDS OF THESE PEOPLE SO THAT
THEY NO LONGER HAVE TO SUFFER
THE CONSEQUENCES OF A CONVICTION
LONG TERM.

Steve says BUT WHEN DO THEY
ACTUALLY GET OUT OF JAIL, WHAT
WOULD BE THE PROCESS ON THAT?

Annamaria says WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO
SERVE OUT THE ENTIRETY OF THEIR
SENTENCE.

Steve says THEY WOULD STILL?

Annamaria says THEY WOULD.

Steve says LET'S GO TO THE
SECOND THING YOU SAID.
I GUESS IN THE OLD DAYS THEY
CALLED THEM PARDONS.
WE CALL THEM RECORD SUSPENSIONS
NOW?

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Annamaria says YES, THEY ARE CALLED RECORD
SUSPENSIONS NOW WHICH RAISES THE
QUESTION, IF IT'S BEEN
SUSPENDED, CAN IT BE
UNSUSPENDED?
WHAT IS THE CHANGE IN
NOMENCLATURE THAT CAN BE DONE?
I BELIEVE THAT FOR PEOPLE WHO
HAVE CONVICTIONS ON THEIR
RECORDS THAT ARE SIMPLE POT
POSSESSION CONVICTIONS AND ONLY
SIMPLE POT POSSESSION
CONVICTIONS THAT THEY SHOULD
RECEIVE AMNESTY BY WAY OF A
RECORD SUSPENSION OR ACTUALLY A
COMPLETE RECORD DELETION FOR
THOSE OFFENCES.
IN MY VIEW, THIS IS A QUESTION
OF EQUALITY BECAUSE IF WE LOOK
AT THE DISPROPORTIONATE WAY IN
WHICH MARIJUANA BASED OFFENCES
HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED IN CANADA,
WE KNOW STATISTICALLY THAT WHITE
CANADIANS AND CANADIANS OF
COLOUR CONSUME THE SUBSTANCE AT
EQUAL RATES, BUT THEY ARE NOT
CHARGED AND CONVICTED AT EQUAL
RATES.
SO THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IMPACTS
MINORITY COMMUNITIES,
COMMUNITIES OF COLOUR, AND IN
ORDER TO RECOGNIZE THE
DEVASTATING IMPACT THAT THESE
KINDS OF MEASURES HAVE HAD ON
THOSE COMMUNITIES, I THINK IT'S
INCUMBENT ON THE GOVERNMENT TO
ADOPT THAT KIND OF APPROACH
GOING FORWARD.

Steve says CAN YOU TELL US
ABOUT... I'VE HEARD OF THIS
SITUATION IN OAKLAND,
CALIFORNIA, REPARATIONS FOR
THOSE CRIMINALIZED?

Annamaria says IN OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA, THERE
IS SOME KIND OF PREFERENTIAL
KIND OF TREATMENT IN OTHER
JURISDICTIONS, SUCH AS
LOS ANGELES AND SACRAMENTO AS
WELL, PRIMARILY IN CALIFORNIA,
BUT IT'S STEMS FROM THE IDEA AND
THE RECOGNITION THAT IN THE
HISTORICAL PROSECUTION OF WEED
OFFENCES, MINORITY GROUPS HAVE
BEEN DISPROPORTIONATELY
CRIMINALIZED.
AND IN ORDER TO REMEDY THAT,
OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA, HAS CREATED
OR MANDATES THAT AT LEAST HALF
OF THE BUSINESS LICENCES THAT
ARE GOING TO WEED BUSINESSES, SO
LEGAL CANNABIS, POT BUSINESSES,
ARE GOING TO BE ALLOCATED FOR
WHAT THEY CALL MARGINALIZED OR
VULNERABLE GROUPS, SO SPECIAL,
SPECIFIC, IDENTIFIABLE GROUPS,
SUCH AS PEOPLE WITH CANNABIS
RECORDS, IN ORDER TO AMELIORATE
AND RECTIFY THE HARM THAT SUCH
CRIMINAL RECORDS HAVE CAUSED FOR
THEM.

Steve says WE'RE NOT GOING TO
DO THAT HERE?

Annamaria says THERE'S NO PROPOSITION ON THE
PART OF THE GOVERNMENT TO ADOPT
THAT KIND OF MEASURE, AND I
THINK THAT'S TROUBLING BECAUSE
IT IS A PERPETUATION OF THE IDEA
THAT IN THE APPROACH TO CANNABIS
LEGALIZATION, THE GOVERNMENT HAS
ACTUALLY TAKEN THE SAME APPROACH
TO CANNABIS DECRIMINALIZATION,
WHICH IS THAT THE IMPACT ON
MINORITY COMMUNITIES REMAINS AN
AFTER-THOUGHT.

Steve says DID YOU GET A CHANCE
TO TALK TO ANYBODY IN THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ABOUT THIS?

Annamaria says I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY SPOKEN
TO ANYBODY IN THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT ABOUT THIS.

Steve says HAS THIS CASE BEEN
MADE TO THEM, THOUGH?

Annamaria says I THINK THAT THEY ARE AWARE
THAT THERE ARE RUMBLINGS ABOUT
THIS.
I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN...
THE BILL IS CURRENTLY IN ITS
THIRD READING.
I KNOW THAT THROUGHOUT THE
HISTORY OF THE BILL TO DATE,
THERE HAVE BEEN PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS THAT RAISE THINGS
LIKE THAT RAISE
THINGS LIKE PROPOSING AN
AMNESTY, THAT HAS BEEN DONE BY
THE OPPOSITION PARTY AND THE
NDP.
AND SO THERE IS REALLY AN
UNDERSTANDING OR A KNOWLEDGE OR
AN AWARENESS ON THE PART OF THE
GOVERNMENT THAT THIS IS IN THEIR
RADAR, THIS IS IN THEIR PURVIEW
AND IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO IT.

Steve says BUT THEY'VE CHOSEN
NOT TO DO SO.

Annamaria says THEY'VE CHOSEN NOT TO DO SO.

Steve says WE HAD BILL BLAIR ON
EARLIER IN THE PROGRAM WHO IS OF
COURSE THE MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT
RESPONSIBLE FOR SHEPHERDING THIS
ALL THROUGH.
HE INSISTS ONCE C-45 IS PASSED,
PASSES THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, THE
SENATE HAS ITS LOOK, ROYAL
ASSENT, IT IS THE LAW OF THE
LAND, ORGANIZED CRIME WILL BE
REDUCED SIGNIFICANTLY AS A
RESULT.
ARE YOU BUYING THAT?

Annamaria says WELL, I THINK THAT THAT IS A
STATEMENT OF FACT, AND I DON'T
HAVE ANY STATISTICS TO BACK UP
THAT FACT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT PROPORTION OF
ORGANIZED CRIME IS LINKED TO
MARIJUANA... MARIHUANA SALES AND
DISTRIBUTION.
I DO KNOW THAT WHAT THE BILL
DOES IS IT ALSO TARGETS
CONSUMPTION, AND THAT IS NOT A
SUPPLY... SUPPLY SIDE ISSUE.
THAT IS A DEMAND SIDE ISSUE.
AND SO IF WE'RE SAYING THAT
WE'RE TRYING TO STOP... WE'RE
TRYING TO STOP ORGANIZED CRIME,
THEN WHY IS THE APPROACH OF THE
BILL SO DEMAND SIDE ORIENTED?

Steve says YOU THINK THAT'S GOT
IT BACKWARDS.

Annamaria says THAT'S GOT IT BACKWARDS.

Steve says WHAT WOULD YOU
PREFER TO SEE?

Annamaria says I WOULD PREFER TO SEE A PIECE
OF LEGISLATION THAT
DECRIMINALIZES THE POSSESSION OF
MARIJUANA WHOLESALE, AND A BILL
THAT IS ORIENTED TOWARDS HARM
REDUCTION RATHER THAN A CRIMINAL
APPROACH.

Steve says NOW, THEY SAY THEY
ARE... PHILOSOPHICALLY, THEY ARE
SAYING THEY'RE TAKING THAT
APPROACH.
THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK AT
MARIJUANA NOT AS A SORT OF
CRIMINAL-ORIENTED ISSUE BUT AS A
HEALTH-RELATED ISSUE.
ARE YOU BUYING THAT?

Annamaria says I'M NOT BUYING THAT.
BECAUSE WE KNOW FROM EVIDENCE
THAT YOU CANNOT DISASSOCIATE
HARM REDUCTION FROM THE
PHENOMENON OF CRIMINALIZATION.
WE KNOW THAT FROM LOOKING AT THE
SUPREME COURT CASE OF BEDFORD.
WE KNOW THAT THE CRIMINALIZATION
OF INSTITUTIONS OR PRACTICES
AROUND... NOT JUST PROSTITUTION
BUT OTHER KINDS OF SEX WORK
RESULTED IN HARMS RECOGNIZED BY
THE SUPREME COURT AS A VIOLATION
OF THE CHARTER IN THOSE CASES.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT FROM THE
OPERATION OF SAFE INJECTION
SITES.
SAFE INJECTION SITES ARE, IN
EFFECT, AMNESTY ZONES WHERE
INDIVIDUALS CAN GO AND INJECT
THEMSELVES WITH DRUGS THAT THEY
HAPPEN TO HAVE AN ADDICTION FOR,
AND THE REASON THAT THEY DO THAT
AND THE REASON THAT THESE AREAS,
THESE ZONES ARE EFFECTIVE IS
BECAUSE THEY ARE ZONES WHERE IT
IS NOT CRIMINAL TO DO SO.

Steve says IT'S MORE ABOUT
HEALTH THAN CRIME.

Annamaria says IT'S MORE ABOUT HEALTH.
AND THE INDIVIDUALS NO LONGER
FACE THE SPECTRE OF CRIMINAL
CHARGES AND THE STIGMA
ASSOCIATED WITH CRIMINALIZATION
WHICH PREVENTS A LOT OF PEOPLE
FROM GOING FORWARD AND GETTING
HELP FOR THE ROOT CAUSES THAT
CAUSE DRUG USE AND ADDICTION.

Steve says WELL, THIS BILL IS
ALMOST LAW.
I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST THERE.
SO MY QUESTION NOW FOR YOU
BECOMES, WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO
ABOUT IT?
ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT A CHARTER
CHALLENGE OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT?

The caption changes to "Investigating pot laws. Loopholes, ambiguities, and certainties."

Annamaria says WELL, I AM THINKING ABOUT A
CHARTER CHALLENGE AND I'M
THINKING ABOUT A CHARTER
CHALLENGE IN THE CONTEXT OF
SECTION 15.
SECTION 15 GUARANTEES EQUALITY
BEFORE THE LAW AND UNDER THE
LAW, AND WE KNOW THAT IN THE WAY
THAT THE GOVERNMENT... IN THE
WAY THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS
SOUGHT TO ENFORCE MARIJUANA
LEGISLATION, WE SEE A
DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACT, A
NEGATIVE IMPACT, ON MINORITY
COMMUNITIES, PARTICULARLY
AFRICAN-CANADIAN COMMUNITIES.
AND WE'VE HAD THAT RECOGNIZED IN
CASE LAW AND WE'VE HAD THAT
RECOGNIZED IN STUDIES AND SOCIAL
SCIENCE RESEARCH.
AND MY POSITION IS THAT WHAT
THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING BY
FAILING TO ADDRESS THAT
FUNDAMENTAL FLAW AND THAT
FUNDAMENTAL INEQUALITY IN OUR
SYSTEM IS PERPETUATING THAT
INEQUALITY, AND THE GOVERNMENT
HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO REMEDY
THOSE KINDS OF INEQUALITIES WHEN
THEY OCCUR.

Steve says YOU CLEARLY THINK
THEY GOT THAT ASPECT OF THE BILL
WRONG.

Annamaria says THEY GOT THAT ASPECT OF THE
BILL WRONG.

Steve says WHAT DID THEY GET
RIGHT?

Annamaria says WHAT THEY GOT RIGHT IS IT'S
BETTER THAN THE LAW BEFORE.
I THINK THERE ARE OTHER THINGS
THAT THE BILL HAS GOTTEN WRONG.
I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE
OBJECTIVES OF THE BILL IS TO
DECRIMINALIZE OR PREVENT YOUNG
PEOPLE... OR TO PROTECT YOUNG
PEOPLE.

Steve says RIGHT.

Annamaria says AND I'VE HEARD THAT... THE
POSITION OF THE GOVERNMENT IS
THAT IN FACT THIS BILL DOES
REMOVE CRIMINAL SANCTIONS FROM
YOUNG PEOPLE WITH RESPECT TO
WEED.
AND WHAT THE TEXT OF THE BILL
ACTUALLY SAYS IS THAT IF A YOUNG
PERSON... IT IS ACTUALLY A
CRIMINAL OFFENCE FOR A YOUNG
PERSON UNDER THE AGE OF 18 TO BE
IN POSSESSION OF MORE THAN
5 GRAMS OF CANNABIS.
IF THAT PERSON IS IN POSSESSION,
THAT YOUNG PERSON IS IN
POSSESSION OF MORE THAN 5 GRAMS
OF CANNABIS, THEY ARE GIVEN A
TICKET.
A TICKET IS A CIVIL... IS A
CIVIL REMEDY.
IT HAS A CIVIL CONSEQUENCE.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
BILL IN ITS ENTIRETY AND SEE
WHAT HAPPENS AND LOOK AT IT IN
ITS CONTEXT, AND THE CONTEXT IS
THE WAY THIS MIGHT PLAY OUT ON
THE GROUND.
YOU'VE GOT A YOUNG PERSON WHO
HAD AS A BILL... WHO HAS A
TICKET.
ON THE FACE OF THE TICKET,
YOU'VE GOT AN AMOUNT THAT MUST
BE PAID AND A DATE BY WHICH IT
MUST BE PAID.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
CONSCIENTIOUS 14-YEAR-OLDS WHO
RECEIVE A TICKET WOULD MAKE THAT
DEADLINE, BUT THE CONSEQUENCE
UNDER THE BILL FOR NOT MAKING
THAT DEADLINE, FOR NOT PAYING
THE AMOUNT WITHIN THE SPECIFIED
TIME IS THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL...
A CONVICTION IS ENTERED AGAINST
THAT INDIVIDUAL, THAT BECOMES
PART OF THEIR JUDICIAL RECORD.
SO THERE IS A WEAK SPOT IN THE
LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWS FOR
CRIMINAL RECORDS TO CONTINUE FOR
PEOPLE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 FOR
POT-RELATED OFFENCES.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT
THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE
ENTIRE CRIMINAL CODE, BECAUSE
THAT IS A CRIMINALIZATION...
THAT IS AN OFFENCE FOR WHICH A
YOUNG PERSON CAN RECEIVE A
CRIMINAL CONVICTION, THAT
ANYBODY OVER 18 CANNOT.
THERE IS NO OTHER OFFENCE IN THE
CRIMINAL CODE FOR WHICH A YOUNG
PERSON CAN BE CONVICTED THAT AN
ADULT CANNOT BE CONVICTED FOR.

Steve says GIVEN THAT THE LCBO
IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
SELLING THIS STUFF, SHOULD WE BE
TREATING THIS PRODUCT MORE LIKE
WE TREAT ALCOHOL?

Annamaria says WELL, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT
IF WE ARE USING THE APPROACH OF
HARM REDUCTION, THEN WE STILL
HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO WITH
ALCOHOL.
ALCOHOL IS IN FACT A LOT MORE
DANGEROUS IN MANY RESPECTS THAN
POT, THAN WEED.
AND WE'VE TAKEN A LACKADAISICAL
APPROACH, I BELIEVE, WITH
DISCUSSING WHAT THE SOCIAL
DETERMINANTS OF RESORTING TO
ALCOHOL IS, PARTICULARLY WITH
RELEVANT TO HISTORICAL TRAUMA
AND MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
SO ARE SO INTIMATELY TIED TO
ALCOHOL.
SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO
WITH ALCOHOL TO BEGIN WITH.
BUT IN TERMS OF CATCHING UP, I
DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO CATCH UP,
LEAD UP TO THE POINT WHERE
ALCOHOL IS AT NOW.
ONE EXAMPLE OF THE DISCREPANCY
OF THAT IS, IT IS ILLEGAL FOR AN
ADULT TO PROVIDE CANNABIS TO A
YOUNG PERSON, THE SAME WAY IT IS
ILLEGAL FOR AN ADULT TO PROVIDE
ALCOHOL TO A YOUNG PERSON.

Steve says RIGHT.

Annamaria says BUT IF WE LOOK AT WHAT THE
BILL PROPOSES FOR THE
CONSEQUENCES OF DOING THAT, YOU
SEE THAT THE BILL PROPOSES THAT
THE MAXIMUM CONSEQUENCE OF AN
ADULT PROVIDING CANNABIS TO A
PERSON UNDER THE AGE OF 18 IS 14
YEARS IN PRISON.
THE MAXIMUM CONSEQUENCE FOR
ALCOHOL IS A FINE OR MAXIMUM, I
BELIEVE, ONE YEAR IN PRISON.

Steve says THAT DOES SUGGEST
QUITE A DIFFERENT PRIORITY FOR
THE GOVERNMENT, DOESN'T IT?

Annamaria says IT SUGGESTS A COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT ORIENTATION AND
APPROACH AND IT SUGGESTS A
CONTINUATION OF AN APPROACH THAT
REALLY DEEMS CANNABIS AS A
HUGELY PROBLEMATIC SUBSTANCE,
THAT IS MORE PROBLEMATIC FOR
SOCIETY THAN EVEN ALCOHOL.

Steve says OKAY. I'VE GOT TIME
FOR ONE MORE QUESTION, MAYBE 30
SECONDS LEFT HERE. CAN YOU SEE
A TIME AFTER C-45 IS IMPLEMENTED
AND TWEAKED FOR THE BETTER?

The caption changes to "Investigating pot laws. Bill C-45 grows up."

Annamaria says I CAN. I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE
A GREAT LEGISLATIVE SYSTEM.
CANADA IS A COUNTRY THAT
FUNCTIONS QUITE WELL AND OUR
LAWMAKERS ARE DILIGENT AND TAKE
THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES QUITE
SERIOUSLY.
I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT ON
INDIVIDUALS AND MEMBERS OF
SOCIETY TO COMMUNICATE TO THE
GOVERNMENT THEIR DISCOMFORT AND
THEIR DISAPPOINTMENT IN THE WAY
THIS BILL HAS TURNED OUT AND FOR
THE GOVERNMENT TO RESPOND IN
KIND, WITH AMENDMENTS TO THE
BILL.

Steve says WHICH YOU HAVE JUST
DONE. ANNAMARIA, IT'S GOOD OF
YOU TO JOIN US ON TVO TONIGHT.
THANKS VERY MUCH.

Annamaria says THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
HAVING ME.

The caption changes to "Investigating pot laws. Producer: Liane Kotler. @LianeKotler."

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