Transcript: 1,000 Sunday Editions | Feb 13, 2018

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and striped blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "1000 Sunday editions. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says IT'S NOT OFTEN - IN
FACT, I'M NOT SURE WE'VE EVER
DONE THIS BEFORE ON THIS PROGRAM
THAT WE INVITE SOMEONE TO JOIN
US WHO IS CURRENTLY HOSTING
ANOTHER CURRENT AFFAIRS PROGRAM
ON CANADIAN MEDIA.
BUT WE THOUGHT WE'D MAKE AN
EXCEPTION FOR THIS MAN.
MICHAEL ENRIGHT FIRST JOINED CBC
RADIO 44 YEARS AGO.
AND WHILE HE'S ALSO WORKED FOR
MAGAZINES AND NEWSPAPERS, HE'S
CLEARLY BEST KNOWN AS THE HOST
OF CBC RADIO'S "THE SUNDAY
EDITION," WHICH RECENTLY
CELEBRATED ITS 1000th EPISODE ON
THE AIR.
A GOOD CHANCE, WE FIGURED TO
LOOK BACK AND AHEAD AT QUITE THE
CAREER.
AND WITH THAT, WE WELCOME
MICHAEL ENRIGHT TO TVO.

Michael is in his sixties, with receding white hair and a trimmed beard. He's wearing round glasses, a gray suit, pale blue shirt, and burgundy bowtie.

Steve continues IT'S SO GOOD TO HAVE YOU IN THAT CHAIR.

Michael says THANK YOU, SIR.
AND YOU HAVE AN ANNIVERSARY AS WELL.

Steve says WHAT'S THAT?

Michael says 25 YEARS.

Steve says HERE?

Michael says AT TVO.
CONGRATULATIONS.

Steve says HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO
US BOTH.

Michael says EXACTLY.

Steve says WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO
YOU TO HAVE ACHIEVED YOUR
1,000th BROADCAST?

Michael says WELL, I STARTED THE PROGRAM
WHEN I WAS 14, SO THE PASSAGE OF
TIME IS EXTRAORDINARY AND VERY
UNSETTLING.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE CBC,
THE PUBLIC BROADCASTER, WHOM YOU
KNOW, IS TOLERANT ENOUGH TO KEEP
ME EMPLOYED IN THIS JOB FOR SO
LONG.

Steve says IN SPITE OF
EVERYTHING YOU DO TO TICK THEM
OFF FROM TIME TO TIME?

The caption changes to "Michael Enright. Host, 'The Sunday edition.'"
Then, it changes again to "A life in journalism."

Michael says SHORTLY AFTER I STARTED MANY
YEARS AGO, I WAS FIRED FROM CBC
BECAUSE I WAS SUPPOSED TO
REPLACE A MAN NAMED PETER
GZOWSKI, A FOOL'S ERRAND, LIKE
REPLACING THE POPE.
THE FACT IS THAT THE CBC HAS
PROVIDED THIS ARENA, THIS FORUM,
THIS THING, AND SURROUNDED ME
WITH THE MOST TALENTED PEOPLE
AROUND, THAT'S THE MOST
GRATIFYING THING, SAVE AND
EXCEPT THE AUDIENCE.
THE AUDIENCE IS EVERYTHING FOR US.

Steve says HERE'S WHERE WE GO
BACK, AND I SAY, MICHAEL, WHEN
YOU WERE A CHILD OF 9, IN YOUR
HOME IN DOWNTOWN TORONTO, DOING
YOUR MAKE-BELIEVE RADIO SHOWS ON
YOUR CRYSTAL RADIO SET, DID YOU
EVER IMAGINE THAT AT THE STAGE
AND AGE YOU ARE NOW IN LIFE,
YOU'D STILL BE ON THE AIR?

Michael says DID YOU HAVE ME TAILED BY A PRIVATE DETECTIVE?
HOW DID YOU KNOW ABOUT ALL THIS?

Steve says WE DID DO A LITTLE
RESEARCH ON THE SHOW.

The caption changes to "Michael Enright, @CBCSunday."

Michael says I GREW UP IN THE HEART OF
DOWNTOWN TORONTO ON A STREET
CALLED EARL STREET, I LIVED ON
THE FIFTH FLOOR OF AN APARTMENT
HOUSE, AND I DID DO RADIO
PROGRAMS.
I USED A LAMP, A TABLE LAMP AS A
MICROPHONE WITH THE BULB.
I CLIPPED OUT ADS FROM THE
NEWSPAPERS AS MY COMMERCIALS.
AND I HAD AN OLD HI-FI, PORTABLE
HI-FI THING, I PLAYED MUSIC ON
IT.
AND I THOUGHT, I WANT TO DO THIS
FOREVER.

Steve says SO YOUR WISH CAME TRUE?

Michael says JUST BEFORE MY VOICE BROKE.

In a higher pitch, he says I SORT OF TALKED LIKE THIS.

In his normal voice, he continues
AND I THOUGHT I'D REALLY LIKE TO
DO THAT FOREVER.
MY PARENTS, OF COURSE, WANTED ME
TO BE A PRIEST.

Steve says WHICH YOU ALMOST DID
FOR A WHILE?

Michael says WHICH I ALMOST DID, AND CAME
TO MY SENSES AND WOUND UP IN
BROADCASTING, IN RADIO.
I'VE NEVER DONE TELEVISION.
AND I'VE COME TO... IT'S MY
LIFE, ACTUALLY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY LIFE OUTSIDE
THE RADIO STUDIO.
PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THAT.

Steve says I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.

Michael says ESPECIALLY PEOPLE CLOSE TO ME KNOW THAT.

Steve says I DON'T BELIEVE THAT
FOR A SECOND.
IF THAT'S NOT REASON ENOUGH TO
DISLIKE YOU, THIS FANTASTICALLY
LONG CAREER DOING WHAT YOU WANT
TO BE DOING, WHEN I WAS 25 I WAS
COVERING TORONTO CITY COUNCIL.
YOU WERE GLOBE AND MAIL
WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT OF THE YEAR.

Michael says THAT'S RIGHT, YES.

Steve says WHEN MARTIN LUTHER
KING AND ROBERT F. KENNEDY WERE
ASSASSINATED AND RICHARD NIXON
WAS PRESIDENT.
HOW DID YOU GET THAT GIG?

Michael says IT WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY YEAR.
I WAS WORKING CITY HALL FOR THE
GLOBE AND MAIL, AND THE REASON I
DID WAS THERE WAS THE REPUBLICAN
CONVENTION THAT YEAR WAS HELD IN
MIAMI AND THE DEMOCRATIC
CONVENTION WAS GOING TO BE HELD
IN CHICAGO, AND I SAT DOWN AND I
WROTE A NOTE TO CLARK DAVIE, THE
MANAGING EDITOR, AND I SAID I
WILL PAY MY OWN WAY ON MY OWN
VACATION TIME TO BOTH OF THESE
CONVENTIONS IF YOU WILL GET ME
ACCREDITED, BECAUSE I REALLY...
AMERICAN POLITICS WAS A PASSION,
AND HE WROTE BACK AND SAID,
THAT'S NONSENSE.
JUST GO DOWN THERE AND BE THE
CORRESPONDENT.
AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.
THAT'S HOW I WOUND UP IN A NICE
LITTLE APARTMENT IN WASHINGTON,
AND OF COURSE THAT YEAR
EVERYTHING WENT CRAZY.
AFTER THE 31st OF MARCH,
JOHNSON SAID HE'S NOT RUNNING
AGAIN.
BOBBY CAME IN AND THEN HE...
MARTIN LUTHER KING WAS KILLED IN
APRIL IN MEMPHIS AND THEN RFK
WAS KILLED IN JUNE.
THE RUSSIANS INVADED
CZECHOSLOVAKIA IN AUGUST.
WE ALL TROOPED UP FOR THE
CONVENTION.
WE GOT TEAR-GASSED AND BEAT UP
BY THE CHICAGO POLICE.
AND THEN NIXON WAS ELECTED.
IT WAS AN ASTONISHING YEAR.

Steve says IRONICALLY ENOUGH
FOR A GUY SO ASSOCIATED WITH
CANADIAN BROADCASTING '68 WAS
THE YEAR THAT WE GOT PIERRE
TRUDEAU AND I GUESS YOU MISSED
ALL THAT.

Michael says WELL ACTUALLY NO. AND I... I
KIND OF RANKLE ABOUT THIS. UM...
I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WITH
KENNEDY IN LOS ANGELES IN THE
AMBASSADOR HOTEL

Steve says THE NIGHT
HE WAS KILLED...

Michael says WELL I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE
FOLLOWING HIM DOWN FROM OREGON
DURING THE OREGON PRIMARY
AND THE... INTO CALIFORNIA.
AND PIERRE TRUDEAU CALLED AN
ELECTION, YOU REMEMBER? HE WAS
ELECTED AS LEADER IN APRIL
AND HE CALLED AN ELECTION FOR
JUNE THE EIGHTH. AND THE
GLOBE AND MAIL, IN ITS WISDOM
SAID, COME ON BACK AND COVER
THE CANADIAN ELECTION AND I SAID
BUT - BUT - BUT... AH
BOBBY'S GOING TO CALIFORNIA
HE'S GOING TO WIN THE PRIMARY
AND WE'RE OFF TO CHICAGO.
SO I WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE...
IN THE HALL WHEN HE TURNED
AROUND AND SAID LET'S WIN IN
CHICAGO, AND WENT INTO THE
KITCHEN. AHH... NOT THAT I
WANTED TO SEE IT. I STILL AM
AN INCREDIBLE FAN OF ROBERT F.
KENNEDY. THERE IS A CAR IN THIS
CITY OF OURS, I'VE SEEN IT TWICE
NOW, WITH THE LICENSE PLATE
RFK 68. I HAVE NO IDEA WHO IT IS
IT FASCINATES ME. BUT NO... IT
WAS AN AMAZING YEAR.
I ACTUALLY WAS YANKED OUT OF
THE... UM, WASHINGTON BUREAU
FOR FAILING TO COVER AMERICAN
BUSINESS FOR THE R.O.B.
THE REPORT ON BUSINESS

Steve says RIGHT.
A. I HAD NO INTEREST IN IT.
AND B. THE... THE YEAR THE
UNITED STATES WAS ON FIRE
THERE WAS 78 CITIES THAT
ACTUALLY, LITERALLY BURNED AND
THE EDITORS AT THE R.O.B. SAID
KEEP... COME ON GIVE US
SOMETHING ON WHEAT OR AUTO
PARTS OR UGH!
AND AH... I KNEW I WOULD LOSE
THE WILL TO LIVE IF I HAD TO...
IF I HAD TO WRITE STUFF
FOR THE R.O.B.

Steve says BUT FORTUNATELY
YOU BECAME A QUEEN'S PARK
CORRESPONDENT SHORTLY THEREAFTER
AND THAT SAVED YOU.

Michael says THAT'S RIGHT.

Steve says COVERING THE DAVIS
GOVERNMENT SAVED YOU.

Michael says IT WAS JUST... ACTUALLY IT
ROBARTS FIRST AND THEN...
AND THEN DAVIS. IT WAS THE ERA
OF THE GASHOUSE GANG AND IT WAS...
BILL DAVIS WAS EDUCATION
MINISTER AND CHARLIE McNAUGHTON
WAS THE FINANCE MINISTER AND
ROBARTS... IT WAS JUST HELL ON
WHEELS AS YOU KNOW VERY WELL.
I MEAN, THEY WOULD ALL GO OVER
TO THE WESTBURY AFTERWARDS...

Steve says IT WAS PARTY TIME
OH IT WAS JUST EXTRAORDINARY.
I WANT TO TAKE YOU
BACK NOW EVEN FURTHER BECAUSE
THIS IS VERY STRANGE.
YOU ENDED UP AT ST. MICHAEL'S
COLLEGE SCHOOL...

Michael says BATHURST AND ST. CLAIR.

Steve says A HIGHLY REGARDED
SCHOOL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY
IN WHICH WE FIND OURSELVES.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT IS A
BIG-TIME HOCKEY FACTORY AND TO
THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, YOU
CAN'T SKATE.

Michael says I COULDN'T THEN.

Steve says YOU CAN NOW?

The caption changes to "A personal story."

Michael says NO.
BECAUSE DAVE KEON WAS IN MY
CLASS.
FRANK MAHOVILICH
WAS TWO YEARS AHEAD OF ME.

Steve says GERRY CHEEVERS?

Michael says GERRY CHEEVERS WAS THERE.
AND LEFTIE BAUER, FATHER DAVID
BAUER, WAS MY HOME ROOM TEACHER.
I COULDN'T SKATE A LICK.

Steve says SO WHAT WERE YOU
DOING THERE?

Michael says I DON'T KNOW.
I COULDN'T MAKE IT...

Steve says YOU LEFT EARLY.

Michael says I SPENT MANY HAPPY YEARS IN GRADE 11.
AND THE GUIDANCE COUNSELLOR,
WHOSE NAME WAS FATHER CULLEN,
CALLED ME INTO HIS OFFICE AND
SAID, "MY BOY, HAVE YOU EVER
CONSIDERED A CAREER IN THE ARMED
FORCES?"
AND I SAID, "NO, FATHER, I
HAVEN'T."
HE SAID, "WHY DON'T YOU CONSIDER
A CAREER IN THE ARMED --" NO, I
WAS A DROP-OUT.
AND YEARS LATER WHEN I TURNED A
CERTAIN AGE, SIX-OH, I TOOK
SKATING LESSONS FROM A YOUNG
PORTUGUESE YOUNG WOMAN AND I
HAVE A CERTIFICATE, MIKE
ENRIGHT, AND I WROTE A PIECE TO
READERS DIGEST ABOUT IT.
STEVEN, THE ANKLES.

Steve says YOU AND BOBBY ORR.

Michael says EXACTLY.

Steve says YOU DID NOT GET YOUR
HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA BACK IN THE
DAY BUT YOU HAVE IT NOW, YOU
EVENTUALLY DID GET THE HIGH
SCHOOL DIPLOMA?

Michael says ROBERT FULFORD, THE MOST
EMINENT BROADCASTER IN THE
COUNTRY, HE'S ALSO A HIGH SCHOOL
DROPOUT, SO IT RANKLED HIM MORE
THAN IT DID ME.
WE WENT TO ST. MIKE'S AND SAID
THE OLD MAN FEELS BADLY ABOUT
THIS.
COULD YOU GIVE HIM AN HONORARY
HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA?
THE PRIEST SAID, SURE, IF HE'LL
DO THE COMMENCEMENT EXERCISE.
SO I WENT BACK TO THE SCHOOL AND
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THOUSAND
PEOPLE THERE, RED KELLY WAS
THERE AND LINDSAY, TED LINDSAY,
AND I GAVE THE COMMENCEMENT
THING, AND I HAVE A SCHOOL RING.

Steve says C'MON.
LOOK AT THAT.

Michael says IT SAYS THAT I TOLD THEM THAT
I LEFT ST. MIKE'S IN 1960 AND
GRADUATED IN 2009.

Steve says WONDERFUL.

Michael says AND THERE'S THE PROOF.

Steve says MY NEXT QUESTION
THEN IS: WHAT'S A BIGGER DEAL TO
YOU, THAT RING ON YOUR PINKIE
FINGER OR THAT SNOW FLAKE ON
YOUR LEFT LAPEL?

Michael says WOW.

Steve says BECAUSE THAT'S THE
ORDER OF CANADA.

Michael says THAT'S A TOUGHIE.
THAT'S A TOUGHIE.
TO GET THE ORDER OF CANADA... I
MEAN, YOU KNOW, I GREW UP ON
EARL STREET AND I WAS A DISASTER
AS A STUDENT AND I'VE BEEN AN
INK-STAINED WRETCH FOR THE LAST
56 YEARS NOW.
BUT TO GET THE ORDER OF CANADA,
THAT TAKES THINGS TO A DIFFERENT
LEVEL.
THAT'S AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF
SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS I'M ONLY
DIMLY AWARE OF BUT IS REALLY
IMPORTANT TO ME.
AND SADLY MY PARENTS WEREN'T
THERE TO SEE IT.
MY CHILDREN WERE.
AND THAT, TO ME, IS KEY.
IT... THE KIDS... WERE ACTUALLY
I THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME
THEY THOUGHT DAD HAD DONE
PRETTY WELL. AND IT IS A THING
TO HAVE. IT'S AMAZING.
IT REALLY IS.

Steve says I WANT TO ASK NOW
ABOUT THAT GUY ON THE RADIO.

Michael says OH, DEAR.

Steve says THAT'S YOU.
YOU START EVERY BROADCAST WITH A
COMMENTARY.

Michael says MM-HMM.

Steve says AND YOU'RE A CBC
HOST WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE, I
GUESS, FAIR AND NEUTRAL AND
OBJECTIVE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

Michael says AS I AM.

Steve says YET YOU DO OPINION
AS WELL.
I WONDER HOW YOU GET AWAY WITH
DOING THAT?

Michael says WELL, LET ME JUST CORRECT YOU MILDLY.

Steve says OKAY.

The caption changes to "That guy on the radio."

Michael says I LIKE TO THINK OF IT AS
REPORTAGE, NOT OPINION.
IF I SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT
DONALD TRUMP IS A SERIAL LIAR,
THAT'S NOT AN OPINION.

Steve says THAT'S AN
EMPIRICALLY PROVABLE FACT.

Michael says INDEED.
EXACTLY.
SO WHEN MANAGEMENT COMES DOWN ON
ME, I TRY TO SUGGEST, IN A
SLIGHTLY ARGUMENTATIVE WAY, THAT
I'M REPORTING SOMETHING, NOT
OPINING.

Steve says AND THEY BUY THAT?

Michael says SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.

Steve says WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
THEY DON'T?

Michael says WELL, LETTERS GO TO THE
OMBUDSMAN AND THINGS AND THERE'S
AN INVESTIGATION AND I HAVE HAD
MY KNUCKLES RAPPED, AND THAT'S
APPROPRIATE.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S TRUE.
I WROTE A PIECE ON THE SUNDAY,
IT WAS HOLOCAUST WEEKEND, AND I
WROTE A PIECE ABOUT AN
ANTI-SEMITE WHO WROTE ME A
LETTER FROM ALBERTA SAYING I'M
NEVER LISTENING TO YOUR SHOW
AGAIN BECAUSE ALL I EVER HERE
ARE JEWS AND JAZZ.
AND I THOUGHT, THAT'S MY NEXT PROGRAM.

Steve says JEWS AND JAZZ.

Michael says GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO JEWS AND JAZZ, I'M MICHAEL ENRIGHT,
HERE'S BENNY GOODMAN.
BUT THAT TO ME... THAT'S
REPORTAGE.
NOT TO MAKE FUN OF ANTI-SEMITISM
BECAUSE I'M THE PARENT OF A JEW,
BUT, AGAIN, THE CBC HAS ALLOWED
ME TO GO INTO THE CORNERS AND
PUT MY ELBOWS UP AND IT'S A
GIFT.
IT'S A REAL GIFT.

Steve says BUT PEOPLE KNOW THAT
YOU'RE A SMALL "L" LIBERAL, RIGHT?
PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO THE PROGRAM
BASICALLY KNOW THAT ABOUT YOU?

Michael says I WOULD ASSUME SO.

Steve says YEAH.

Michael says I THINK THE COUNTRY IS SMALL "L" LIBERAL.
I THINK THE COUNTRY IS SLIGHTLY
LEFT OF CENTRE.

Steve says YOU FIGURE YOU'RE
REFLECTIVE OF YOUR LISTENERS?

Michael says I DO.
AND I THINK BECAUSE I GREW UP IN
A BIG CITY BUT DOWNTOWN AND
DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY AND WENT
THROUGH ALL OF THE SCHOOL THINGS
IN HIGH SCHOOL AND ALL THAT
STUFF, WITH THE SOLE EXCEPTION
OF NOT BEING ABLE TO SKATE OR
PLAY HOCKEY, I THINK I KNOW THE
PEOPLE.
I KNOW THE FOLKS.
MY FATHER'S PEOPLE CAME FROM
IRELAND DURING THE FAMINE YEARS,
IN THE 1840s.
AND WE ARE, I HOPE, TYPICAL
CANADIANS.

Steve says YOU CAN SEE WHY A
CONSERVATIVE LISTENING TO YOUR
PROGRAM AND HEAR YOU SAY THAT
MIGHT HAVE THEIR HEAD EXPLODE
BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK THEY
GET A FAIR SHAKE ON YOUR SHOW.

Michael says I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SMALL "C" CONSERVATIVES I HAVE
INTERVIEWED OVER THE YEARS, A
GOODLY NUMBER.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF
THEM.
I THINK THERE IS A PROBLEM IN
MEDIA, IN THIS TOWN AND THE
COUNTRY PERHAPS, THAT WE DON'T
HEAR FROM THAT ELEMENT,
POLITICALLY, CULTURALLY,
SOCIALLY, AND I THINK WE SHOULD.
I READ, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL
REVIEW AND I READ... I WATCH
BREITBART AND FOX AND FRIENDS
AND THAT KIND OF THING TO GET A
SENSE OF WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AND
THINKING.
BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IT'S VERY TRICKY TO WALK THAT
BALANCE AND IT'S INCUMBENT UPON
US AS PUBLIC BROADCASTERS TO
WALK IT.

Steve says I WOULD LIKE YOU TO
LOOK AT THAT MONITOR OVER THERE
BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME VIDEO WE
WANT TO SHOW YOU NOW.

Michael says OH, DEAR.

Steve says SHELDON, ROLL IT, PLEASE.

Michael says OH, DEAR.

A clip plays on screen in which Michael faces the camera and speaks.

He says MICHAEL ENRIGHT AGAIN.
BEFORE THE BREAK I PROMISED TO
TELL YOU ABOUT THE VITAL ROLE A
SMALL PIECE OF HARDWARE PLAYED
IN WINNING THE SECOND WORLD WAR.
THE SETTING: A MEDIEVAL CASTLE
HIGH ON A PROMONTORY... OKAY.
CASA LOMA IN TORONTO.

A picture shows Casa Loma.

Michael continues SEEMINGLY A SIMPLE TOURIST ATTRACTION.
BUT ACTUALLY A FRONT FOR A
SHADOWY ORGANIZATION, THE
KIWANIS CLUB OF TORONTO, AND
THEY, IN TURN, ARE COVERING FOR
A TOP SECRET MILITARY RESEARCH
PROJECT THAT CAN TURN THE TIDE
OF THE WAR.

A logo with the letter K reads "Kiwanis International, Serving the children of the world."

Michael continues THE ANTISUBMARINE DETECTION INVESTIGATION COMMITTEE.

The clip ends.

Steve says AND ON WE GO.
SO THE OBVIOUS QUESTION THEN
EMERGES FROM THAT IS... I KNOW,
WE GET GREAT STUFF.

Michael says AMAZING.

Steve says MICHAEL, WHAT'S WITH
THE GLASSES AND THE BOW TIE?
THAT'S BEEN A LOOK FOR YOU FOR A
LONG TIME.

Michael says I HAVE AN ASTIGMATISM, WHICH EXPLAINS THAT.
THE BOW TIE COMES FROM A MOVIE,
A NEWSPAPER MOVIE.

Steve says WHICH ONE?

Michael says "DEADLINE U.S.A."
IT WAS 1959, IT STARRED HUMPHREY
BOGART, AND IT WAS A MOVIE THAT
IMPELLED ME TO TELL MY PARENTS,
I WANT TO BE A REPORTER.
WE DIDN'T USE THE WORD
"JOURNALIST."
I DON'T LIKE THAT WORD.
JOURNALIST TO ME WAS SOMEBODY
WHO OWNED MORE THAN ONE SUIT.
AND I SAID I WANT TO BE A
REPORTER.
AND IN THE MOVIE, BOGEY, AS
THOSE OF US WHO NEVER MET THE
MAN CALL HIM, SAID, THIS
NEWSPAPER IS GOING TO BE SOLD.
AND HE HAD A BOW TIE ON.
AND AS HE WAS TALKING HE TIED
IT.
LIKE WITHOUT A MIRROR.

Steve says THAT'S THE EPITOME
OF COOL.

Michael says I THOUGHT MY GOD.
SO I SAID I WANT TO BE A
NEWSPAPER MAN, AS IT WAS THEN,
NEWSMAN, AND I WANT TO WEAR BOW
TIES.

Steve says CLEARLY AS WE'VE
SEEN IN THE PAST YOU'VE BEEN IN
FRONT OF THE CAMERA BEFORE.

Michael says YOU KNOW WHY I'M ON RADIO
WHEN YOU SEE THAT THING.

Steve says AU CONTRAIRE, SIR.
THAT WAS A REALLY NICE PIECE TO
CAMERA.
I DO WONDER.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE CHOSEN OVER THE
YEARS TO PLANT YOUR FLAG IN
RADIO AS OPPOSED TO ON
TELEVISION.
HOW COME?

Michael says TELEVISION MAKES ME NERVOUS.
IT'S SUCH A LARGE PENCIL.
IT'S A VERY BIG... I ADMIRE THE
WAY TELEVISION PEOPLE OPERATE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO IT.

Steve says YOU'RE NOT NERVOUS NOW?

Michael says NO, I'M NOT NERVOUS NOW.
THAT'S BECAUSE YOU RELAX PEOPLE,
I THINK.
JUST THE WHOLE APPARATUS SCARES
THE HELL OUT OF ME.
BUT RADIO TO ME IS VERY INTIMATE
AND IT'S... I REMEMBER ALAN
MCPHEE, WHO WAS A LEGENDARY
ANNOUNCER AT CBC, CAUTIONED ME.
HE SAID, "LISTEN.
WHEN YOU'RE ON THE RADIO, DON'T
FORGET THERE ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE
MAYBE IN A TERMINAL SITUATION,
MAYBE BLIND, MAYBE YOU ARE THEIR
ONLY CONTACT WITH THE WORLD.
LONELY PEOPLE.
JUST THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN THE
LIGHT GOES ON."

Steve says WONDERFUL.

Michael says I'VE NEVER FORGOTTEN THAT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, IT'S
EXTREMELY A LOT OF FUN.
I MEAN, THE TIMES I'VE BROKEN UP
AND JUST LOST IT AND SO ON, IT'S FUN.
IT REALLY IS FUN.
I KNOW TELEVISION IS FUN TO
WATCH AND ALL THAT.
TO ME, IT'S VERY SERIOUS TO
PRODUCE, WITH THE BEST PEOPLE,
OBVIOUSLY.
BUT RADIO, IT'S PORTABLE.
IT'S INTIMATE.
IT'S IMMEDIATE.
AND I'M GLAD IT'S ANONYMOUS.
YOU AND PEOPLE... CAN'T GO
ANYWHERE.
PEOPLE KNOW YOU.
MANSBRIDGE.
ALL THAT.
I CAN DO THE SHOW IN MY PAJAMAS,
WHICH I HAVE OFTEN DONE.

Steve says ON SUNDAY.
EXACTLY.
WHILE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC, MAY I
ASK YOU ABOUT MOTHER CORP. AND
LIFE AT THE CBC?

Michael says CERTAINLY.

Steve says I'M TALKING ABOUT
THE CBC WRIT LARGE.
I GUESS ENGLISH CBC.

Michael says YEAH.

Steve says WHAT, IN YOUR
JUDGMENT, DOES IT DO WELL?
YOU'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
YOU'D KNOW AS WELL AS ANYBODY.
WHAT DOES IT DO WELL?

The caption changes to "The mother corp. and the media."

Michael says WHAT IT DOES THE BEST IS
CONNECT THE COUNTRY.
YOU CAN GET IN THE CAR IN
VICTORIA AND DRIVE TO OTTAWA AND
ALL THE WAY ALONG HEAR CBC
RADIO.
YOU STAY OVERNIGHT IN A MOTEL,
YOU GET THE TELEVISION.
IT DOES CONNECT THE COUNTRY.
I THINK IT IS THE THING THAT HAS
KEPT THE NORTH AS PART OF THE
CANADIAN CONSCIOUSNESS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LANGUAGES
WE BROADCAST IN, BUT TO BE UP
THERE IS AMAZING.
EVERY YEAR I SPEND TIME IN
NEWFOUNDLAND, AT A LITTLE
OUTPORT ON BONAVISTA BAY.
AND LOCAL RADIO IS SO MAGICAL
AND IS SO IMPORTANT TO THESE
PEOPLE, I'M SURE THAT THE PEOPLE
ON LOCAL RADIO IN NEWFOUNDLAND
KNOW MOST OF THEIR AUDIENCE BY
NAME.
I MEAN, IT'S SO INTIMATE AND
CONNECTED.
IT'S THE CONNECTEDNESS THE CBC
DOES WELL.

Steve says ALL RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THE FLIP
SIDE.

Michael says OF COURSE.

Steve says WHAT DOES THE CBC
NOT DO SO WELL?

Michael says I DON'T THINK... WELL, WE
HAVEN'T DONE VERY WELL IN
PERSUADING GOVERNMENTS TO GIVE
US MONEY.

Steve says YOU JUST GOT
150 MILLION dollars A YEAR OUT OF THESE GUYS.

Michael says CORRECTING THE PAUL MARTIN
CUTS IN THE '90s, WHICH WERE
DEVASTATING, PARTICULARLY LOCAL
TELEVISION, LOCAL RADIO.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HANDLE
POLITICS ALL THAT WELL.
I MEAN BY THAT, SCHMOOZING AND
LOBBYING AND SO ON.
WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET
5-YEAR FUNDING, STABLE FUNDING,
EVER.
WE'VE NEVER HAD A BROADCASTER...
NEVER HAD A PERSON FROM TORONTO
AS PRESIDENT OF THE CBC.
EVER.
WE HAD SOMEBODY WHO WAS A CHAIR
OF CBC.
AND WE DON'T... I DON'T KNOW
THAT WE'RE VERY GOOD AT GROOMING
PEOPLE FOR EITHER ON-AIR JOBS OR
PRODUCER JOBS OR WHATEVER
BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR TRAINING
MONEY WAS TAKEN AWAY BY
TELEVISION.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT
OF ROOM TO IMPROVE IN THAT.
I THINK WE'VE COME TO COPE WITH
THE DIGITAL AGE IN A TERRIFIC
WAY, FAR BEYOND MY
UNDERSTANDING.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW FACEBOOK OR
ANY... BUT THE YOUNG PEOPLE
THERE, WHO ARE A HELL OF A LOT
SMARTER THAN WHEN I STARTED IN
THE BUSINESS, KNOW IT COLD AND
THEY'RE INVENTIVE AND INNOVATIVE
AND IMAGINATIVE AND THEY'VE
GOT... THAT'S THREE Is.
AND THEY'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF
ENERGY AND THEY ARE... I THINK
THEY KNOW WHERE THEY WANT TO
TAKE THE CORPORATION.
IF ONLY THE OLD FARTS LIKE ME
AND OTHERS WILL LISTEN TO THEM
AND SAY, "YEAH, OKAY, GO AHEAD,"
THE WAY WE WERE LISTENED TO WHEN
MARK STAROWITZ WAS LISTENED TO
TO MAKE A SHOW CALLED "AS IT
HAPPENS."
THEY LOCKED HIM IN A HOTEL ROOM
AND FED HIM UNDER THE DOOR AND
CAME UP WITH THIS AMAZING THING
AND THE JOURNAL AND ALL THAT.

Steve says I DON'T NORMALLY ASK
LEADING QUESTIONS BUT I'M GOING
TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR YOU.
HAS THE CBC GOT OVER ITS
OBSESSION WITH RATINGS AND IS IT
NOW MORE APPROPRIATELY FOCUSED
ON CREATING GREAT CONTENT THAT
IS RELEVANT AND DISTINCTIVE?

Michael says TELEVISION HAS BEEN MORE
CONCERNED ABOUT RATINGS THAN
RADIO, HISTORICALLY.
RADIO USED TO BE NOSE IN THE
AIR... RATINGS?
OH, PLEASE.
THEY'RE SO... SO BOURGEOIS.
WE'RE BETTER THAN RATINGS.
THANK GOD WE FINALLY CAME TO
LEARN THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE
AUDIENCES THAT WE'RE OUT OF
BUSINESS.
SO WE DO PAY ATTENTION TO
RATINGS.

Steve says BUT DO YOU OBSESS ON
THEM?
THE WAY THAT PRIVATE CHANNELS
HAVE TO OBSESS ON THEM BECAUSE
WITHOUT ADVERTISERS, THEY'RE
DONE?

Michael says NO, NOT TO THAT EXTENT.

Steve says OKAY.

Michael says BUT WE GET REPORTS ALL THE
TIME.
WHEN WE STARTED THE SHOW AS A
STANDALONE "THE SUNDAY EDITION."
NOVEMBER '98, WE HAD ABOUT
460,000 LISTENERS.
LATELY WE'VE GOT ABOUT
1.2 MILLION, 1.3 MILLION OR
SOMETHING.
I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL, BUT
IT'S NOT AN OBSESSION.
I THINK WHERE THE FOCUS IS,
GETTING PEOPLE TO LISTEN TO
PODCASTS AND POSTS AND ALL THAT
KIND OF THING, I THINK THERE IS
SOMEWHAT OF AN OBSESSION WITH
THOSE NUMBERS.
BUT I'VE NEVER WORKED ON A
PROGRAM, OR BEEN INVOLVED WITH
ANYTHING, ANY PROJECT, WHERE
NUMBERS WERE THE LEADING
CONSIDERATION.

Steve says GOOD.
NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN PUBLIC
BROADCASTING.

Michael says NO.

Steve says THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY
IMPORTANT, BUT THEY CAN'T BE THE
BE ALL AND END ALL.

Michael says EXACTLY.

Steve says YOU POINTED OUT A
WHILE AGO YOU'RE NOT EXACTLY
MR. SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU'RE NOT ON
FACEBOOK AND TWITTER AND
INSTAGRAM AND ALL THAT.
THAT'S CONSISTENT FOR YOU,
MR. ENRIGHT, BECAUSE I WANT TO
SHOW YOU ANOTHER PIECE OF TAPE.
THIS YOU AND BILL CASTLEMAN
ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO ARGUING
ABOUT A NEW FANGLED DEVICE THAT
WAS CALLED A WORD PROCESSOR.
ROLL TAPE.

Michael says WHAT?

A clip plays on screen with the caption "November 20, 1989."
In the clip, a young Michael sits in a TV studio, wearing round glasses and a bowtie.

He says I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
MACHINE IS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT A PROGRAM IS.
WHEN IT SAYS IT PROCESSES WORDS,
I THOUGHT THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS
SUPPOSED TO DO.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Michael Enright. Host, As it happens."

Michael continues I JUST HAVE NO INTEREST OR
UNDERSTANDING OF THE MACHINE
PART OF IT.
I WAS TAUGHT HOW TO RUN A
COMPUTER AT THE GLOBE AND MAIL.
I WAS SENT DOWN FOR TWO HOURS
AND I ACTUALLY FELL ASLEEP
DURING HIS DISPOSITION ON THE
VARIOUS THINGS THE MACHINE IS
SUPPOSED TO DO.

The caption changes to "Bill Casselman. Writer, Critic."

Bill is in his forties, with a long goatee.

He says IT ALSO BEHOOVES MICHAEL TO
POINT OUT HE IS KNOWN AT CBC
RADIO AS THE LUDD AT THE
BEGINNING.
IF MICHAEL CAN DO "AS IT
HAPPENS" WITH SMOKE SIGNALS
INSTEAD OF A MICROPHONE, HE
WOULD.
THE MAN CAN'T DRIVE A CAR.

Michael says A MOTORCYCLE.

Bill says WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE WITH A
LOT OF SO-CALLED INTELLECTUALS
IS PSEUDO SNOBBISM OF A NEW IMPLEMENT.

The clip ends.

Michael says WOW, BILLY CASTLEMAN.

Steve says YOU WERE GOOD
TOGETHER.
A SHOW CALLED "IMPRINT" WE USED
TO DO HERE MANY YEARS AGO.

The caption changes to "Nice to meet you on the radio."

Michael says THAT'S INCREDIBLE.
AN AWFUL BEARD.

Steve says DO YOU DRIVE A CAR TODAY?

Michael says OF COURSE.

Steve says YOU DO KNOW HOW TO DRIVE?

Michael says ABSOLUTELY.
I'VE BEEN DRIVING SINCE I WAS
15, BEFORE IT WAS LEGAL.

Steve says DO YOU STILL HAVE A
HATE-ON FOR TECHNOLOGY?

Michael says I DON'T HATE IT.
I HATE WHAT A LOT OF IT IS DOING
TO PEOPLE.
I HATE THE FACT THAT A COUPLE OF
MY KIDS ARE ON THEIR PHONES ALL
THE TIME.
NOT TALKING BUT LOOKING.
I HATE GOING ONTO THE SUBWAY AND
SEEING PEOPLE... AND I WALK
AROUND THE CAR AND SEE WHAT
THEY'RE DOING.
THEY'RE MOSTLY PLAYING GAMES.
THEY'RE MOSTLY PLAYING THOSE
LITTLE GAMES.

Steve says DO YOU NOT HAVE AN
iPHONE OR BLACKBERRY OR
SOMETHING?

Michael says I DO.
AND I'LL USE IT FOR PHONE CALLS.

Steve says YOU DON'T e-mail ON IT?

Michael says RARELY.

Steve says REALLY?

Michael says RARELY.
I'VE GOT AN e-mail AT THE OFFICE.
BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE GETTING
TOO CAUGHT UP IN IT.
I THINK WE'RE IN SOME WAYS... I
DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN ADDICTION,
BUT IT CERTAINLY IS AN
OBSESSION, AND I WONDER WHAT
THAT'S DOING TO THE POLICY AND
THE WHOLE CULTURE.
I DON'T THINK IT BRINGS PEOPLE
TOGETHER.
I THINK IT SEPARATES.
I THINK IT FRAGMENTS AN ALREADY
FRAGMENTED SOCIETY.
IT MAKES US LONELIER.

Steve says IT'S SUPPOSED TO
CONNECT US MORE.
IT DOES EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE IN
MANY RESPECTS.
LET'S COME FULL CIRCLE AS WE
COME INTO OUR REMAINING MOMENTS
HERE.
DO YOU HAVE... DO YOU HAVE... I
MEAN, THIS IS IN SOME RESPECTS
AN IMPOSSIBLE QUESTION.
BUT AFTER 1,000 EPISODES, DO YOU
HAVE A FAVOURITE INTERVIEW AFTER
ALL OF THAT?

The caption changes to "Connect with us: @theagenda, TVO.org, Facebook, YouTube, Periscope, Instagram."

Michael says I HAVE TWO OR THREE,
INTERVIEW WITH DICK CAVETT WAS
WONDERFUL AND JOHN CLEESE.
ODDLY ENOUGH ONE INTERVIEW THAT
DIDN'T WORK OUT WAS WITH TWO
TIBETAN MONKS WHO WERE
TRAVELLING ACROSS THE COUNTRY,
PERFORMING THEIR NATIVE CULTURE,
THEIR SONGS AND SO ON, AND THEY
WERE IN THE STUDIO WITH ME LIVE.
JUST BEFORE WE STARTED, THE
STUDIO DIRECTOR IN MY EAR SAID,
"I THINK THE IMMINENCE ON YOUR
LEFT SPEAKS ENGLISH," WHICH IS
NOT THE MOST ENCOURAGING WAY TO
START AN INTERVIEW WITH TIBETAN
MONKS.
NEITHER OF THEM SPOKE ENGLISH.
THE WHOLE THING WAS A DISASTER.
THAT WAS MEMORABLE.

Steve says FOR THE WRONG REASONS.

Michael says FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS.
INTERVIEWING JOHN MAJOR, FOR
EXAMPLE, FORMER PRIME MINISTER
OF ENGLAND, WROTE A BOOK ABOUT
HIS FATHER.
HIS FATHER WAS A SHOWMAN AND WAS
A VAUDEVILLIAN AND WAS LOOKED
DOWN UPON AND LAUGHED AT AND SO ON.
AND MAJOR... WE TALKED ABOUT HIS
FATHER AND THE BOOK.
AND HE STARTED TO BREAK UP AND
HE GOT ANGRY, WHAT THEY DID TO
THAT POOR MAN, AND IT WAS A
STUNNING 25 MINUTES.
IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING.
BUT JUST ORDINARY FOLK.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS, WHO I GOT
TO KNOW VERY WELL, WAS ON HALF A
DOZEN TIMES.
YOU HAD TO COME WITH YOUR BEST
GAME WITH HITCHEN AND YOU HAD TO
GET HIM BEFORE LUNCH.

Steve says IS THAT A REFERENCE
TO PERHAPS SOME IMBIBING?

Michael says INDEED.
I THINK HE WAS FAMILIAR WITH IT.
A LOT OF THEM... JANE FONDA WAS
AMAZING.
VERY CANDID.

Steve says YOU POINTED OUT
BEFORE WE ACTUALLY STARTED ON
THE AIR HERE THAT YOU'VE BEEN AT
THIS FOR A WHILE, AND WE DON'T
HAVE TO GIVE AWAY YOUR AGE, IF
YOU DON'T WANT TO.

Michael says APRIL 1962 WAS WHEN I STARTED
IN BRAMPTON, ONTARIO.

Steve says THAT'S WHERE YOU
STARTED THE CAREER?

Michael says YEAH.

Steve says HOW EXCITED DO YOU
STILL GET AT THE POSSIBILITY OF
LEARNING SOMETHING NEW DURING
THE COURSE OF YOUR PROGRAM?

Michael says THAT'S WHAT KEEPS ME GOING
INTO THE OFFICE.
I ACTUALLY LOOK UP THINGS IN
DICTIONARIES.
I LOOK UP WORDS.
BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY
ARE AND I HAVE GREAT BIG... BUT
I LEARN SOMETHING EVERY SINGLE
MINUTE THAT I'M IN THE STUDIO.
IT'S JUST ASTONISHING.
I WAS INTERVIEWING A WONDERFUL
IRISH WRITER NAMED COLIN
McCANN AND HE WAS TALKING
ABOUT HIS LATEST BOOK AND SO ON.
HE SAID I RODE ACROSS THE UNITED
STATES ON A BICYCLE.
AND HE WENT ON.
I SAID, WAIT A MINUTE.
YOU RODE ACROSS THE U.S. ON A
BICYCLE?
AND THEN HE TOLD THIS AMAZING
STORY ABOUT IT, WHICH WAS
TANGENTIAL...

Steve says TO THE BOOK.

Michael says TO THE THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
I DON'T THINK I GO AWAY AT THE
END OF THE DAY WITHOUT HAVING
LEARNED SOMETHING NEW.
NOW, WHETHER I HAVE THE ABILITY
OR INTEREST TO PUT IT TO USE, I
DON'T KNOW.
MY BRAIN IS A RAG-BAG OF USELESS
INFORMATION, BUT IT'S THE MOST
EXCITING PART OF THE DEAL.
AND MEETING PEOPLE.

Steve says WHAT IS IT YOU
ALMOST ALWAYS SAY AT THE END OF
EVERY INTERVIEW YOU DO?

Michael says THANK YOU, MR. PAIKIN, IT'S A
DELIGHT TO MEET YOU ON THE
RADIO.

Steve says CAN I STEAL YOUR
LINE A LITTLE BIT HERE?

Michael says PLEASE DO.

Steve says CAN I SAY IT'S BEEN
A DELIGHT TO MEET YOU ON THE TELEVISION.

Michael says THAT'S SO KIND.

The caption changes to "Producer: Steve Paikin, @spaikin."

Steve says THAT'S MICHAEL
ENRIGHT, 1,000 EDITIONS LATER OF
"THE SUNDAY EDITION."
THANKS, MICHAEL.

Michael says THANK YOU.
WHOA. WAS THAT ANY GOOD?

(Steve laughs)

Watch: 1,000 Sunday Editions