Transcript: The Future is Wearable | Oct 16, 2017

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and spotted blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "The future is wearable. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says EVEN A DECADE AGO, IT
WOULD HAVE BEEN HARD TO IMAGINE
PEOPLE TRACKING THEIR HEALTH OR
READING TEXT MESSAGES ON A
WRISTWATCH.
VERY DICK TRACY, RIGHT?
BUT SUCH WEARABLE TECHNOLOGY HAS
QUICKLY GONE FROM SCIENCE
FICTION TO SCIENCE FACT.
AND WITH MORE MIND-BOGGLING
ADVANCES COMING ALL THE TIME, WE
WANTED TO EXPLORE HOW THIS
DEVICE-HUMAN INTERACTION IS
RESHAPING OUR WORLD.
JOINING US NOW TO CONSIDER THAT:
IN CAMBRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS:
ROSALIND PICARD, FOUNDER AND
DIRECTOR OF THE AFFECTIVE
COMPUTING RESEARCH GROUP AT THE
MIT MEDIA LAB; SHE'S ALSO
CO-FOUNDER OF THE WEARABLE TECH
COMPANY EMPATICA INC.

Rosalind is in her late forties, with chin-length blond hair. She's wearing a blue shirt.

Steve continues AND HERE IN OUR STUDIO:
ISABEL PEDERSEN, PROFESSOR AND
DIRECTOR OF THE DECIMAL LAB AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF ONTARIO
INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY; SHE'S
ALSO A CANADA RESEARCH CHAIR IN
DIGITAL LIFE, MEDIA AND CULTURE.

Isabel is in her thirties, with long wavy blond hair and bangs. She's wearing a black blazer over a white blouse, and a pearl necklace.

Steve continues AND AMANDA COSCO, JOURNALIST AND
FOUNDER OF ELECTRIC RUNWAY, A
FASHION TECH WEBSITE.

Amanda is in her thirties, with short feathery brown hair. She's wearing a cream blazer over a lace blouse.

Steve continues WE ARE DELIGHTED TO WELCOME YOU
THREE TO OUR PROGRAM TONIGHT.
LET US START RIGHT AWAY WITH
SOMETHING THAT JUST SETS UP OUR
CONVERSATION, TALKING ABOUT THE
GROWTH OF WEARABLE TECHNOLOGY.

A slate appears on screen, with the title "Growth of wearable technology in 2016."

Steve reads data from the slate and says
ACCORDING TO THE INTERNATIONAL
DATA CORPORATION, A MARKET
INTELLIGENCE FIRM, MORE THAN
102 MILLION WEARABLE DEVICES
WERE SHIPPED IN 2016.
THAT'S A GROWTH RATE OF NEARLY
17 percent FROM THE YEAR BEFORE AND THE
MAJORITY WERE FITNESS TRACKERS
AND SMART WATCHES. ROSALIND,
LET'S GET YOU IN FIRST.
WE KNOW ABOUT FITBIT AND SMART
WATCHES, BUT IN YOUR VIEW, WHAT
ELSE CONSTITUTES WEARABLE TECHNOLOGY?

The caption changes to "ROSALIND PICARD. Mit Media Lab."
Then, it changes again to "Not just Fitbits and Apple watches."

Rosalind says WEARABLE
TECHNOLOGY IS REALLY ANY
TECHNOLOGY WE MIGHT WEAR ON OUR
BODIES.
IT COULD BE SMART JEWELLERY, IT
COULD BE SMART CLOTHING, AND OF
COURSE SMART ACCESSORIES LIKE
WRISTBANDS AND EARRINGS AND
SCARVES.

Steve says AND WOULD YOU COUNT
A SMARTPHONE AS WEARABLE
TECHNOLOGY?

Rosalind says YES, SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES
HAVE CONSIDERED SMARTPHONES AND
EVEN OUR CARS AS WEARABLES,
ATTACHED TO US AND MOVING WITH
US, AND I THINK IT'S SORT OF A
MATTER OF INDIVIDUAL WEAR.
I ALMOST NEVER HAVE MY PHONE ON
MY BODY.
IT'S USUALLY IN MY BAG.
WHEREAS MOST MEN I KNOW HAVE IT
IN THE PACKET OF THEIR SHIRT OR
THEIR PANTS.
IT'S DEFINITELY WEARABLE FOR
SOME PEOPLE AND NOT OTHERS.

Steve says IT SEEMS TO BE
WEARABLE FOR ISABEL PEDERSEN
TODAY.
WHAT HAVE YOU GOT THERE?

The caption changes to "ISABEL PEDERSEN. University of Ontario Institute of Technology."

Isabel says TODAY I'M
WEARING THE APPLE WATCH.
IT'S ONLY SERIES ONE AND WE'RE
ALREADY ON TO SERIES THREE.

Steve says WHAT DOES IT DO THAT
MY TRUSTY OLD BLACKBERRY CAN'T DO?

Isabel says WELL, YOU CAN BEGIN TO
COMMUNICATE WITH OTHER PEOPLE
WITHOUT ACTUALLY LOOKING AT YOUR
WATCH... LOOKING AT YOUR PHONE,
AND TO ME, THAT'S THE
DISTINGUISHING MARK OF A
WEARABLE, IS IT DOESN'T TAKE YOU
AWAY FROM THE REST OF YOUR WORK,
YOUR LIFE, YOUR SOCIAL
INTERACTIONS.

Steve says HOW DID YOU GET INTO
THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Isabel says I HAD A DIGITAL STARTUP
COMPANY AROUND 1999.
I CO-OWNED IT WITH AN INVENTOR.
AND WE STARTED TO GET INTERESTED
IN HUMAN-COMPUTER INTERACTION
AND I GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE
OPTIMISTIC, ALMOST UTOPIAN IDEA
YOU COULD WEAR TECHNOLOGY ON THE
BODY.
IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE
LIBERATING THAN THE DESK TOP,
THAT TIED YOU TO YOUR DESK, AND
I BECAME FASCINATED WITH PEOPLE
AT MIT AND GEORGIA TECH AND
STARTED TO THINK I COULD GET
INTO DESIGNING WEARABLE
TECHNOLOGY.
SO I WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF
WATERLOO TO WORK ON THAT.

Steve says AS AN UNDERGRAD?

Isabel says NO, I HAD MY UNDERGRAD AND I
WENT THERE TO DO MY MASTER'S IN
HUMAN-COMPUTER INTERACTION
DESIGN IN THE ENGLISH
DEPARTMENT, AND WENT ON TO DO A
PH.D. IN THAT.

Steve says OKAY.
AMANDA, HOW DID YOU GET TO THIS?

The caption changes to "AMANDA COSCO. Electric Runway."

Amanda says WELL, I
ACTUALLY STARTED WRITING ABOUT
WEARABLES AND TECHNOLOGY ON THE
BODY WHEN I WROTE ABOUT THIS
SELF-IDENTIFIED CYBORG NAMED
NEIL HARBISSON.
THIS WAS MY FIRST BIG BREAK AS A
JOURNALIST.
I WAS TRYING TO PITCH CULTURE
EDITORS AND ART EDITORS, AND I
WASN'T HAVING MUCH LUCK AS A
RECENT GRAD TRYING TO WORK IN
THE WORLD OF IDEAS.
AND THEN I STUMBLED UPON THIS
STORY OF THIS SELF-IDENTIFIED
CYBORG WHO IS GOING TO BE
SPEAKING IN TORONTO.
HIS NAME IS NEIL HARBISSON, FROM
CATALONIA, SPAIN.

Steve says WHAT DO YOU MEAN
HE'S A SELF-IDENTIFIED CYBORG?

A picture shows a blond man in his twenties who has a curved antenna protruding from the back of his head.

Amanda says HE HAS AN ANTENNA ATTACHED TO
THE BONE.
THE ANTENNA COMES FROM THE BACK
OF HIS HEAD AND SITS ABOUT HERE
IN FRONT OF HIS HEAD AND IT IS
NOT SOMETHING HE CAN TAKE OFF.
HE SHOWERS WITH IT, HE SLEEPS
WITH IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY ATTACHED RIGHT TO
HIS BONE.

Steve says WHY?

Amanda says THAT'S OF COURSE THE NEXT
QUESTION.
THE REASON THAT HE HAS THIS IS
SO THAT HE CAN HEAR COLOUR.
NEIL WAS BORN AN ARTIST AND HE
WAS ALSO BORN COLOUR BLIND SO HE
HAS A RARE CONDITION WHICH MEANS
HE SEES THE WORLD ENTIRELY IN
GRAY SCALE, AND ABOUT 10 YEARS
AGO HE STARTED THIS DIGITAL
PROJECT WITH AN AGENCY TO EXTEND
HIS SENSES AND IT STARTED WITH A
HEADSET AND A BATTERY PACK, BUT
THE TROUBLE WAS THAT HE HAD TO
CARRY AROUND THE BACKPACK, THE
HEADSET WAS CUMBERSOME, AND WHAT
WOULD HAPPEN IS THE ANTENNA
WOULD PICK UP ON COLOUR.
EVERY COLOUR GIVES OFF A SOUND
FREQUENCY.
AND THE ANTENNA WOULD TRANSLATE
THE COLOUR IN FRONT OF HIM INTO
SOUND, WHICH HE WOULD THEN HEAR
VIA BONE CONDUCTION IN HIS
SKULL, AND HE WOULD BE ABLE TO
DISTINGUISH BETWEEN RED, BLUE,
ETC.
WHAT HAPPENED OVER TIME WAS HE
FOUND THAT THIS EXTENDED HIS
SENSES TO SUCH A HUGE EXTENT
THAT HE WANTED TO HAVE IT ALL
THE TIME, SO HE GOT THE WEARABLE
TECHNOLOGY ACTUALLY IMPLANTED IN
HIS SKULL.

Steve says AMAZING.
AMAZING.
ROSALIND, TELL US, IF YOU WOULD,
ABOUT THE WORK YOU DO AND
PERHAPS SOMETHING YOU'VE
INVENTED IN TERMS OF WEARABLE
TECHNOLOGY?

Rosalind says YES.
I GOT INTO WEARABLES IN THE
EARLY '90S WHEN, ACTUALLY, AN
ONTARIO RESIDENT, TORONTO
RESIDENT, STEVE MANN WAS WORKING
IN MY LAB AS MY STUDENT.
HE HAD BEEN BUILDING WEARABLES
THAT AIDED HIS PHOTOGRAPHY, AND
I WAS INTERESTED IN BUILDING
WEARABLES THAT MEASURED EMOTION.
I HAD STARTED AN AREA CALLED
AFFECTIVE COMPUTING.
AND IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND
PEOPLE'S FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS
WITH TECHNOLOGY, WE WERE PUTTING
SENSORS ON THE BODY.
AND WITH THOSE SENSORS, WE WERE
MEASURING THINGS LIKE IF YOU
WERE GETTING INCREASINGLY
EXCITED OR STRESSED, IF YOUR
MUSCLES WERE TENSE OR IF YOU
WERE VERY RELAXED, AND ALSO WE
WERE TRYING TO MEASURE THINGS
LIKE IF YOU WERE HAPPY AND
INTERESTED.
AND AS WE STARTED TO WEAR THE
SENSORS, WE STARTED TO GET DATA
THAT COULD TELL US THESE
DIFFERENCES IN AFFECTIVE STATE
SINCE THEN THE WORK HAS BEEN
COMMERCIALIZED AND I'M WEARING
TWO OF THE WEARABLES TODAY THAT
ARE COMMERCIALIZED BY EMPATICA,
THAT'S ITALIAN FOR "EMPATHETIC."
THESE ARE WORN TO BE MEDICAL
DEVICES.

Steve says TO DO WHAT?

Rosalind says THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, THE E-4
COLLECTS DATA RELATED TO HEART
RATE, SKIN CONDUCIVE AND
MOVEMENT THAT IS USED FOR
CLINICAL STUDIES IN EPILEPSY,
DIABETES, ANXIETY DISORDERS,
OBESITY STUDIES, FOR HEART
DISEASE, A WHOLE LOT OF
DIFFERENT PURSUITS THERE WHERE
THESE STRESS RESPONSES, THE
NERVOUS SYSTEM AND MOVEMENT ARE
PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT.
IT MEASURES TEMPERATURE TOO.
AND THIS ONE MEASURES A SUBSET
OF THAT, BUT ALSO IN A MEDICAL
QUALITY WAY.
THIS IS CALLED THE EMBRACE.
AND THIS ONE ALSO RUNS ADVANCED
A.I. MACHINE LEARNING ON BOARD
AND RIGHT NOW IN EUROPE IT'S
CERTIFIED FOR DETECTING
CONVULSIVE SEIZURES TO GIVE AN
ALERT IF A PERSON IS HAVING A
CONVULSIVE SEIZURE AND NEEDS
SOMEBODY TO COME AND PROVIDE
FIRST AID TO THEM.

Steve says ABSOLUTELY
FASCINATING.
LET'S TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
WELCOME A FOURTH PERSON TO OUR
DISCUSSION.
WE WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, IN
SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA VIA
SKYPE:
TOM EMRICH, PARTNER WITH SUPER
VENTURES; FOUNDER OF WE ARE
WEARABLES, THAT'S A WEARABLE
TECHNOLOGY MEETUP.
TOM, IT'S GOOD OF YOU TO JOIN US
FROM THE LEFT COAST AND MAYBE
YOU COULD START BY TELLING US
HOW YOU CAME TO BE INTERESTED IN
THIS SUBJECT MATTER?

Tom is in his thirties, clean-shaven, with short gelled blond hair. He's wearing a white shirt.

The caption changes to "TOM EMRICH. Super ventures. San Francisco, CA."

Tom says SURE.
I ACTUALLY BEGAN AS A BLOGGER.
I STARTED WRITING ABOUT THE
FUTURE THAT I SAW WHICH I
THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE ALL
SCREENS.
I THOUGHT A WALL WAS GOING TO
HAVE A SCREEN AND THAT WAS
BECAUSE I HAD A LOT OF
EXPERIENCE WORKING IN MOBILE AND
TABLET AND E-READERS.
AS I STARTED TO DIG FURTHER INTO
THE HYPOTHESIS, I LEARNED THAT
THE FUTURE IS GOING TO BE
SCREENLESS AND DISASSEMBLING THE
COMPUTERS AS WE KNOW IT AND
RECREATING IT AS PART OF
OURSELVES AND OUR ENVIRONMENT
THROUGH THE INTERNET OF THINGS
AND WEARABLE TECHNOLOGY, AND I
STARTED TO WRITE ABOUT THIS VERY
EARLY ON IN 2012-2013, AND THAT
CAUGHT THE ATTENTION OF SOME
LARGER PUBLICATIONS FROM MY
SMALL TUMBLR BLOG.
MANY OF THESE STARTUPS WERE IN
CANADA, ESPECIALLY IN TORONTO,
WHICH WAS VERY FORTUNATE FOR ME.
I THEN MOVED INTO BECOMING AN
UBER USER, OF COURSE, OF
WEARABLES.
I WASN'T JUST GOING TO BE
WRITING ABOUT THEM; I WANTED TO
LIVE AND BREATHE THEM, AND I
BECAME A GOOGLE GLASS USER IN
2013 AND WAS ROCKIN' THE GOOGLE
GLASS DOWN THE STREETS OF
TORONTO, ONE OF ONLY ABOUT TEN
IN CANADA AT THE TIME.
AND I LEARNED THAT ONE OF THE
BIGGEST THINGS ABOUT THIS NEW
TECHNOLOGY WAS THAT WE NEEDED TO
DEMONSTERIZE IT.
PEOPLE WERE FEARFUL OF
ESPECIALLY GOOGLE GLASS BECAUSE
THEY HAD NOT SEEN SOMETHING LIKE
THIS BEFORE.
I FELT IT WAS MY RESPONSIBILITY
AS A GOOGLE GLASS EXPLORER TO
ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO WEAR
GOOGLE GLASS, TO TRY OUT GOOGLE
GLASS.
AND INSTEAD OF ME BEING STOPPED
ON THE STREET CONSTANTLY, DOWN
THE STREETS OF TORONTO, I
DECIDED I WOULD SET UP A MEETUP
BACK IN 2014 AND IN 2015 THAT
MEETUP BECAME WE ARE WEARABLES,
A LARGE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION
THAT IS NOW ACROSS NORTH
AMERICA, IT'S GROWN TO OVER
120,000 IN TERMS OF OUR REACH,
AND OUR MAIN MISSION IS TO
REALLY ALLOW FOR INDIVIDUALS TO
GET THEIR HANDS ON TECHNOLOGY TO
BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN
USE IT FOR WORK AND FOR THEIR
LIVES.
REALLY, THAT'S REALLY BEEN MY
MISSION WHEN IT COMES TO THIS
TECHNOLOGY, IS TO REALLY UNCOVER
HOW THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY, THIS
NEW WAY OF COMPUTING IS GOING TO
IMPACT OUR HUMANITY AND I REALLY
DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S PART OF OUR
HUMAN EVOLUTION, THIS WEARABLE
TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT.

A map pops up briefly showing the location of San Francisco in California.

Steve says WE ARE GOING TO GET...

The caption changes to "The Google Glass problem."

Tom says AS WE BUILT THESE
COMMUNITIES, IT LED TO ME
BECOMING A VC.
THAT'S MY... I'M IN
SAN FRANCISCO, NOT ONLY
PROVIDING A PLATFORM TO RAISE UP
WEARABLE STARTUPS BUT ALSO NOW
I'M INVESTING IN THEM AS WELL.

Steve says OKAY.
WITH ALL OF THAT SORT OF GENERAL
INFORMATION IN PLACE, I WANT TO
GET MORE SPECIFIC NOW AND
MORE... EVEN MORE FUTURISTIC, IF
THAT'S POSSIBLE.
ISABEL, TO YOU FIRST ON THIS.
TOM MENTIONED GOOGLE GLASS.
I DO WANT TO PICK UP ON THAT.
I MEAN, I DO RECALL WHEN THE
SENSE ONE GOT WAS THAT EVERYBODY
WAS GOING TO BE WEARING ONE OF
THESE THINGS AND IT WAS GOING TO
COMPLETELY REVOLUTIONALIZE OUR
LIVES BY NOW.
IT HASN'T QUITE CAUGHT ON.
HOW COME?

A picture pops up briefly showing a bearded man in his thirties who wears Google Glass.

Isabel says I THINK
THAT GOOGLE GLASS IN SOME WAYS
WAS MISMARKETED.
IT WAS RELEASED ON APRIL 4TH,
2012, AND SERGEI BRIN HAD PEOPLE
JUMPING OUT OF BUILDINGS WEARING
GOOGLE GLASS AND THE MARKETING
CAMPAIGN RELEASED A ONE-DAY
VIDEO THAT HAD REALLY FRAMED A
PICTURE OF A SAN FRANCISCO EARLY
ADOPTER GOING THROUGH THE
STREETS AND ENJOYING HIS DAY,
AUGMENTED BY ALL THESE WONDERFUL
VIRTUAL COMPONENTS THAT YOU
COULD SEE IN GOOGLE GLASS.
I DON'T THINK IT REALLY RELATED
TO EVERYDAY LIFE.
I DON'T THINK EVERYDAY PEOPLE
COULD IMAGINE THEMSELVES DOING
THAT.
AND SO THE VALUE PROPOSITION OF
WEARING A DISPLAY OVER THE EYE
AT ALL TIMES DIDN'T MESH WITH
PEOPLE... THE WAY THEY SAW
THEMSELVES.

Steve says IF IT HAD BEEN
MARKETED SORT OF MORE
APPROPRIATELY TO THE WAY YOU
THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BETTER
CAUGHT ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD
HAVE BEEN THE UNIQUE SELLING
PROPOSITION THAT YOU THINK MIGHT
HAVE GOT PEOPLE TURNED ON BY IT?

Isabel says I THINK THAT'S AT THE HEART
OF THE PROBLEM.
THE GO-PRO CAMERA, FOR EXAMPLE,
IS VERY CLUNKY AND AWKWARD, BUT
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WEAR IT,
RIGHT, BECAUSE IT JUST GIVES YOU
THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOUR
FRIENDS AND ALL OF YOUR SOCIAL
CONTACTS HOW EXCITING YOUR LIFE
IS.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT IT'S
CLUNKY OR AWKWARD.
SO I THINK THAT WAS THE PROBLEM:
IT DIDN'T HAVE THAT KILLER APP
THAT PEOPLE COULD KIND OF GET
PAST THE IDEA OF WEARING THAT.
AND NOW IT'S MORPHED INTO BEING
AN ENTERPRISE DEVICE.
SO PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED IT DO
USE IT AND IT'S VERY USEFUL FOR
THAT.

Steve says YOU'VE GOT ONE?

Isabel says AS TOM MENTIONED, IT WAS
NEVER RELEASED IN CANADA.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS SORT OF A
FASCINATING CANADIAN CULTURAL
PROBLEM.
THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY THAT
WE DON'T EVER GET BUT WE ARE...
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE AD
CAMPAIGNS AND WE UNDERSTAND IT
AND ARE SOCIALIZED TOWARDS IT
BUT WE DON'T EVER GET IT.

Steve says AMANDA, HAVE YOU
EVER USED THESE THINGS?

Amanda says I USED GOOGLE
GLASS BEFORE.
I DON'T OWN ONE.
AS ONE THAT COVERS THE
INTERSECTION OF FASHION AND
TECHNOLOGY, THERE WAS AN
AESTHETIC PROBLEM WITH GOOGLE
GLASS RIGHT FROM THE GET-GO.
IT DIDN'T LOOK NICE.
AND I THINK AT THE END OF THE
DAY HUMANS ARE STILL VAIN AND WE
WANT TO LOOK GOOD AND FEEL GOOD
IN THE PRODUCTS WE PURCHASE.

Steve says YOU LOOK LIKE A
CYBORG WHEN YOU WEAR ONE, DON'T YOU?

Amanda says YOU DO.
I THINK IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT
TOO EARLY FOR ITS TIME AND AS
MENTIONED IT'S DEFINITELY FOUND
A HOME IN ENTER SURPRISE.

Steve says ROSALIND, IN YOUR
VIEW, WHY DIDN'T IT CATCH ON?

The caption changes to "Rosalind Picard, @RosalindPicard."

Rosalind says HMM.
WELL, I WAS A GLASS EXPLORER TOO
AND WORE IT QUITE A BIT.
I THINK IN ADDITION TO THE
POINTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN
MADE, I THINK THAT PEOPLE RAN
INTO EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM,
ACTUALLY, WE HAD IN THE MEDIA
LAB WHEN WE FIRST CAME OUT WITH
WEARABLE CAMERAS, AND THAT WAS
THE KIND OF TRUMPED UP FEARS
ABOUT YOU BRINGING CAMERAS INTO
PLACES WHERE CAMERAS USUALLY
WEREN'T.
SO WHEN YOU'RE ON A GO-PRO ON
THE SKI SLOPES OR ON YOUR BIKE,
YOU KNOW, THAT FEELS LIKE THAT'S
AN OKAY PLACE TO SHOOT VIDEO.
BUT WHEN WE'RE HAVING A
CONVERSATION AT A PARTY OR WE'RE
EATING DINNER AT A TABLE OR
WE'RE IN A MEETING ROOM TOGETHER
AND SUDDENLY I'M ABLE TO FILM
EVERYTHING GOING ON, THEN THAT
MADE PEOPLE UNEASY.
SO THE NEGATIVES I HEARD WERE
MORE ABOUT THE FEARS OF PEOPLE
RECORDING THINGS AND, YOU KNOW,
USING YOUR INFORMATION WITHOUT
YOUR PERMISSION.
I ALSO SAW A LOT OF BENEFITS.
I'M ACTUALLY A BELIEVER THAT
SOME DAY WE WILL WEAR OUR DUMB
GLASSES AND BE EMBARRASSED BY
THEM.
WOW, YOU HAVEN'T GOT SMART
GLASSES YET.
BECAUSE THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING
THE INFORMATION COME UP NOT ON
YOUR WRISTWATCH BUT COME UP IN
YOUR SMART GLASSES IN AN
UNOBTRUSIVE WAY IS FABULOUS.
I CAN REMEMBER WALKING THROUGH
THE AIRPORT LOADED WITH MY STUFF
AND MY PHONE GOES OFF AND I
CAN'T GET TO IT AND YOU CAN'T
EVEN RAISE YOUR WRIST TO LOOK AT
A CALL, THIS WAS BEFORE SMART
WATCHES COULD DO THAT, AND MY
GOOGLE GLASS AND PREDECESSORS TO
IT THAT WE BUILT AT THE MEDIA
LAB, WOULD AUTOMATICALLY LET ME
KNOW THAT MY HUSBAND WAS TRYING
TO REACH ME AND THE FIRST FEW
LINES OF THE MESSAGE, AND THAT
WAS REALLY FABULOUS, RIGHT?
I COULD STOP AND PUT THINGS
DOWN.
WHEREAS FOR OTHER CALLERS I
MIGHT HAVE KEPT MARCHING ON TO
THE NEXT LIGHT.

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Steve says TOM, I SUSPECT THIS
LEADS US TO A BIT OF A
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER
WEARABLE TECHNOLOGY IS SORT OF
CHANGING WHAT IT MEANS... I
DON'T KNOW ABOUT TO BE HUMAN,
BUT TO ACT IN A WAY THAT WE
CONSIDER TO BE CONSISTENT WITH
BEING A HUMAN; YOU KNOW WHAT I'M
SAYING?
IS WEARABLE TECHNOLOGY CHANGING
THAT.

The caption changes to "Tom Emrich. We are wearables."
Then, it changes again to "Shifting identities."

Tom says I DO.
I DO.
LISTEN, IT IS CHANGING THE WAY
THAT WE ARE HUMAN.
IT IS ENHANCING AND AUGMENTING
OUR CAPABILITIES, OUR ABILITY,
AND IT'S MAKING US SUPER HUMAN,
IT'S GIVING US SUPER POWERS.
WE SEE THAT WITH GOOGLE GLASS
TODAY.
I MEAN, THE THING WITH GOOGLE
GLASS WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IS
THAT IT WAS A PROJECT.
GOOGLE MADE A HUGE EXPERIMENT,
PUT IT OUT IN THE WILD, AND
GUESS WHAT THEY FOUND?
THEY FOUND IT WAS REALLY
SUCCESSFUL, AS ISABEL MENTIONED,
IN THE ENTERPRISE, AND GOOGLE
GLASSES ARE MAKING WORKERS SUPER
WORKERS.
THEY'RE TAKING WORKERS THAT JUST
GOT ON THE LINE AND TRAIN THEM
FROM AMATEURS TO PROFESSIONALS,
THEY'RE REDUCING ERRORS AND
OMISSIONS, THEY'RE REALIZING
HUGE COST SAVINGS AND
EFFICIENCIES, AND SO AS ROSALIND
POINTED OUT, THERE WILL BECOME A
TIME WHERE YOU NOT HAVING THESE
DEVICES WILL PUT YOU AT A
DISADVANTAGE.
THE NEW DISABILITY IS NOT HAVING
ACCESS TO THIS TECHNOLOGY.
AND IN THAT WAY THEN, IT
UNDERSCORES HOW CRITICAL THIS
TECHNOLOGY IS IN MAKING US
DIFFERENT HUMANS.
THIS ISN'T VERY FAR OFF FROM OUR
SMARTPHONES TODAY.
YOU THROW ME IN THE MIDDLE OF
NEW YORK WITHOUT A SMARTPHONE,
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING
TO DO, RIGHT?
I'M NOT THE SAME PERSON WITHOUT
THAT DEVICE.
AND NOW WE'RE JUST... WE'RE
MOVING THIS TECHNOLOGY ONE STEP
CLOSER TO US.
WE'RE SEPARATING... WE'RE
CLOSING THAT SEPARATION GAP SO
THAT THE TECHNOLOGY BECOMES A
PART OF US, AND AS AMANDA
POINTED OUT RIGHT AT THE TOP OF
THE SHOW HERE, THIS IS NOT THE
ULTIMATE STEP.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO
INTEGRATE THIS TECHNOLOGY UNTIL
IT REALLY IS A PART OF US.

Steve says SINCE YOU USED THE
WORD ENTERPRISE IN THAT ANSWER,
I DO WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH
ISABEL ON THE NOTION OF WHETHER
SCIENCE FICTION PROGRAMS, LIKE
STAR TREK OR STAR WARS OR THE
LIKE, ARE... WHAT ARE THEY DOING
IN TERMS OF CHANGING OUR COMFORT
LEVELS WITH WEARABLE
TECHNOLOGIES?

The caption changes to "Isabel Pedersem, @isabel_pedersen."

Isabel says SCIENCE
FICTION IS CRUCIAL TO WEARABLES.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT... WHEN I
STARTED BEING INTERESTED IN IT,
I REALIZED THAT INVENTORS WERE
USING THE LANGUAGE OF SCIENCE
FICTION IN ORDER TO INVENT WHAT
THEY MADE.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
HAVE A LANGUAGE OF EXCHANGE.
SO IT SORT OF HAS ALMOST
A LINGUA FRANCA COMPONENT TO IT.
IF YOU THINK OF TERMINATOR
FILMS, THAT IS THE FIRST VERSION
OF AUGMENTED TECHNOLOGIES.
PUTTING VIRTUAL VISUALS OVERTOP
OF THE REAL WORLD.
SO STAR TREK, ABSOLUTELY HELPED
INVENTORS TO CONCEIVE A
TECHNOLOGY.
BUT THE QUESTION YOU ASKED WAS,
DOES IT MAKE US COMFORTABLE WITH
IT.
IT DOES, ABSOLUTELY.
POPULAR SCIENCE JOURNALISM
ALWAYS BEGINS WITH A SCI-FI
SCENARIO BEFORE IT GOES ON TO
EXPLAIN WHAT A TECHNOLOGY DOES
OR HOW WEARABLE WILL WORK, AND
THEN IT MOVES INTO SCIENCE.
SO IT'S REALLY... IT REALLY ACTS
AS A SCIENCE ACCOMMODATOR.

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Steve says I PRESUME THE FLIP
SIDE IS ALSO POSSIBLE: IT COULD
ISOLATE US MORE TOO, RIGHT?

Isabel says SCIENCE FICTION, OF COURSE,
DYSTOPIAN SCIENCE FICTION, TALKS
ABOUT THAT, CRITICIZES WHAT
TECHNOLOGY COULD DO TO US IN THE
FUTURE WHERE TECHNOLOGY BECAME
MORE IMPORTANT THAN HUMANITY.

Steve says HOW DO YOU SEE THAT
DEVELOPING AS WE GO ALONG HERE?

The caption changes to "Amanda Cosco, @AmandaCosco."

Amanda says WELL, I THINK
THAT EVERY SCIENCE FICTION STORE
HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PARABLE ABOUT
THE RELATIONSHIP WITH
TECHNOLOGY, ALL THE WAY BACK TO
FRANKENSTEIN.
I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS THIS
COMMON DENOMINATOR IS IT'S NOT
ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY ITSELF,
IT'S ABOUT HUMANS MAKING A
DECISION ABOUT, DO WE WANT THIS
TO ALIENATE AND DEHUMANIZE
OURSELVES OR ALLOW US TO CONNECT
WITH ONE ANOTHER.

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Steve says I WONDER, ROSALIND,
AS WELL, WE SHOULD GET INTO SOME
DISCUSSION ABOUT PUBLIC VERSUS
PRIVATE, AND I APPRECIATE THE
COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT HOW SOME
OF WHAT WE THOUGHT OUGHT TO BE
PRIVATE MADE GOOGLE GLASS
PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IT FELT TOO
PUBLIC.
I WONDER WHETHER THERE ARE OTHER
CONCERNS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE
ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE PRIVATE
INFORMATION THAT WE'VE ALWAYS
ASSUMED WAS PRIVATE UNTIL NOW
BECOMING VERY PUBLIC BECAUSE
IT'S ALL PART OF THIS NEW
WEARABLE TECHNOLOGY.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT,
ROSALIND?

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Rosalind says I'M
DELIGHTED YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
OUR SOCIETY NEEDS TO BE HAVING A
LOT MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
WHAT KIND OF DATA WE WANT TO
SHARE AND WHAT KIND OF DATA WE
WANT TO PROTECT WITH PRIVACY.
I MEASURE EMOTIONAL DATA.
MY STUDENTS AND I ARE USING
WEARABLES AND SMARTPHONES TO
COLLECT 24-7 CONTINUOUSLY NOT
ONLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOUR
HEART AND YOUR SKIN CONDUCTANCE
CHANGING SECOND BY SECOND WITH
WHAT SOMEONE IS ASKING YOU, BUT
WE'RE MEASURING YOUR ACTIVITY,
WHERE YOU ARE, WHO YOU'RE
TEXTING, WHAT YOU'RE DOING, HOW
OFTEN YOU'RE OPENING YOUR
PHONE... ACTUALLY, HUNDREDS OF
DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND WITH THAT DATA, WE ARE NOW
ABLE TO, ALL WITH COMPLETELY
INFORMED CONSENT STUDIES
PROTECTING PEOPLE'S IDENTITY, WE
ARE ABLE TO SHOW YOU KIND OF A
WEATHER FORECAST OF WHAT THE
PROBABILITY IS THAT YOUR MOOD IS
GOING TO BE GOOD OR BAD, YOUR
STRESS IS GOING TO BE HIGH OR
LOW, AND YOUR HEALTH IS GOING TO
BE HEALTHY OR UNHEALTHY TOMORROW
NIGHT BASED ON DATA FROM THE
LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, AND THIS
WORKS RIGHT NOW WITH NEW ENGLAND
COLLEGE STUDENTS AND IT'S
ALREADY 82 TO 87 PERCENT
ACCURATE PREDICTING YOUR MOOD,
STRESS, AND HEALTH TOMORROW
NIGHT BASED ON YOUR DATA THROUGH
TODAY.
NOW, THAT'S INCREDIBLY POWERFUL
AND IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR
PEOPLE'S HEALTH, AND WE HOPE
THAT BY GIVING IT TO
INDIVIDUALS, THEY CAN START TO
CHANGE TOMORROW NIGHT'S WEATHER
FORECAST, HEALTH FORECAST, IF
YOU WILL.
BUT ONE COULD ALSO IMAGINE HOW
THIS INFORMATION COULD BE
TERRIBLY ABUSED AND MISUSED, AND
WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN
TO ENABLE IT TO BE USED TO DO
AMAZING THINGS FOR HEALTH, LIKE
PREVENTING MOODS FROM GOING
DOWN, IN PREVENTING THE
DISASTROUS DEPRESSION STATISTICS
THAT EVERYBODY IS HEARING ABOUT,
BUT, AGAIN, THAT'S SENSITIVE
INFORMATION THAT IF WE DON'T
START TO PUT IN PLACE
PROTECTIONS, THEN I DO WORRY
WHAT COULD HAPPEN.

Steve says TOM, COULD YOU
FOLLOW UP ON THAT INASMUCH AS I
WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT IF
WE'RE WEARING THE TECHNOLOGY,
THEN WE OWN THAT INFORMATION.
BUT I CAN ALSO IMAGINE THAT A
LOT OF OTHERS WOULD WANT THAT
INFORMATION FOR WHATEVER
PURPOSES THEY HAD.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO RESOLVE ALL THAT?

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Tom says YEAH, LOOK.
THE FUTURE DOES NOT WORK IF WE
DO NOT LET OUR INFORMATION BE
ACCESSIBLE.
WEARABLE TECHNOLOGY, THE
INTERNET OF THINGS, IT REQUIRES
US TO GIVE INFORMATION ABOUT
OURSELVES IN ORDER FOR COMPUTERS
TO WORK HARDER, SMARTER, AND
FASTER FOR US.
IN TERMS OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN
WITH PRIVACY, PRIVACY AND OUR
NOTIONS OF PRIVACY NEED TO
CHANGE, AND I THINK... ANOTHER
THING THAT WE NEED TO DECOUPLE
IS WE OFTEN CONFUSE PRIVACY AND
SECURITY AS BEING ONE AND THE
SAME AND THEY'RE NOT.
SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT
OUR DATA IS SECURE.
AND IT'S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT...
WE TALK ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP OF
DATA, AS ROSALIND POINTED OUT.
AND I SEE A HUGE CHANGE WITH
BLOCK CHAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, AND
OTHER TECHNOLOGY TRENDS THAT ARE
HAPPENING, AS WELL AS TAKING A
LOOK AT THE MILLENNIALS AND THE
GENERATION BEFORE THEM AND HOW
THEY'RE LEVERAGING THEIR DATA
AND HOW THEY'RE SHARING
INFORMATION, AND I SEE A TIME
WHERE OUR PRIVATE DATA, OUR
BIOLOGICAL DATA, ESPECIALLY,
BECOMES ALMOST LIKE A NEW
CURRENCY, WHERE WE NEED TO TAKE
ACCOUNTABILITY, WE NEED TO TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT
OWNERSHIP OF THAT DATA, WHICH...
THAT'S VERY GRAY.
THERE'S A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY
ATTACHED TO THAT.
SO WE HAVE TO RISE TO THE
OCCASION.
BUT WE WILL START TO UTILIZE OUR
BIOMETRIC INFORMATION AND GIVE
ORGANIZATIONS ACCESS TO THAT IN
ORDER TO ENRICH THE EXPERIENCE.
IT WILL BE LIKE TRADING MONEY OR
HAVING A NEW FORM OF COIN, AS
YOU WERE, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR
AGENCIES AND BRANDS TO BETTER
TARGET THEIR OFFERINGS TO US,
WHICH IN TURN DOES BENEFIT US,
BUT PERHAPS WE ONLY PROVIDE A
SNIPPET OF THAT INFORMATION OR
EVEN A TIME SNIPPET OF THAT
INFORMATION SO THEY DON'T
CONTINUE TO GAIN ACCESS TO
THINGS THAT THEY DON'T
NECESSARILY NEED.

Steve says ISABEL, I DO WANT TO
FOLLOW UP WITH ONE THING TOM
SAID THERE, AND I SUPPOSE FOR
MILLENNIALS WHO ARE ACCUSTOMED
TO UPLOADING EVERY SINGLE
INCIDENT IN THEIR LIVES TO
SOCIAL MEDIA AND SHARING IT ALL
WITH THE WORLD, THEIR NOTIONS OF
PRIVACY HAVE CHANGED ALREADY.
FOR SOME OF US WHO ARE NOT
COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE WITH ALL
OF THAT, DO WE NEED TO CHANGE
OUR UNDERSTANDING AND NOTIONS OF
WHAT PRIVACY MEANS NOW?

Isabel says WELL, I
AGREE WITH TOM IN THAT IT'S
ALWAYS A PARADOX, RIGHT?
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THESE
EXCITING TECHNOLOGIES AND
WEARABLES THAT AUGMENT EMOTION,
THAT PREDICT EMOTION, THAT
PREDICT YOUR NEXT ACT, YOU HAVE
TO GIVE OVER A LOT OF
INFORMATION TO THIRD PARTIES.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK
PEOPLE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
PRIVACY AND DON'T NECESSARILY
KNOW HOW TO MANAGE THAT.
I THINK THE PROBLEM IS IN
DISCLOSURE.
I THINK THAT COMPANIES, ENTITIES
AREN'T DOING NECESSARILY A GOOD
JOB OF EXPLAINING HOW THEY'RE
USING THE INFORMATION, WHERE
IT'S STORED, WHETHER, AS TOM
SAID, IT'S SECURE OR NOT.
IF YOU THINK IN FOOD MARKETING
AND FOOD PACKAGING, YOU HAVE TO
DISCLOSE WHAT IS IN FOOD,
WHETHER SOMETHING IS CHEESE OR
NOT CHEESE.
WE'VE LEARNED TO UNDERSTAND THAT
BECAUSE THAT'S REPORTING ON
PRODUCTS.

Steve says WE SHOULD HAVE THE
SAME EXPECTATIONS FOR THIS.

Isabel says I THINK WE HAVE TO LEARN HOW
TO CATEGORIZE AND CLASSIFY THESE
NOTIONS SO THAT PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND THEM AND LEARN THEM
AND LOOK OUT FOR THEM
THEMSELVES.

Steve says AMANDA, I WANT TO...
I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU A STORY
I JUST HEARD ABOUT AND I WANT TO
GET YOUR COMMENT ON THIS BECAUSE
I GATHER THIS PAST SUMMER A
WISCONSIN COMPANY BEGAN GIVING
EMPLOYEES THE OPTION OF
IMPLANTING A MICROCHIP BETWEEN
THEIR THUMB AND FOREFINGER AND
THEY CAN USE IT TO UNLOCK DOORS
AT THE COMPANY OR LOG IN TO
COMPANY COMPUTERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD ABOUT
THIS BEFORE, BUT IF YOU DID,
WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU
HEARD ABOUT IT?

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Amanda says WELL, I THINK
IT'S INEVITABLE WE'RE GOING TO
BE STARTING TO IMPLANT OUR
TECHNOLOGY INTO US, LIKE THE
STORY I TOLD ABOUT NEIL
HARBISSON AT THE TOP OF THE
PROGRAM.
OUR PHONE IS ALREADY AN
EXTENSION OF OURSELVES.
WE'RE BEGINNING TO WEAR OUR
TECHNOLOGY.
AND I THINK THE NEXT STEP IS
WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BECOME
TECHNOLOGY.

Steve says WE ARE GOING TO
BECOME TECHNOLOGY?
OKAY.
DOES THAT... SORRY, ROSALIND,
THAT SOUNDS FRIGHTENING.
SHOULD I BE FRIGHTENED ABOUT
HEARING THAT?

Rosalind says I... I
THINK WE... YOU KNOW, SOME
PEOPLE THINK THEY ALREADY ARE
MACHINES.
I THINK THAT'S JUST A MIND SET.
I DON'T THINK WE ARE MACHINES
AND THAT WE ARE JUST TECHNOLOGY.
TECHNOLOGY... I MEAN, ANOTHER
WAY TO THINK ABOUT THAT IS
TECHNOLOGY IS SOMETHING THAT WAS
INVENTED AFTER YOU WERE BORN,
RIGHT?
AND OUR BODIES... YOU KNOW,
MERGING WITH DIFFERENT MEDICAL
TECHNOLOGY THAT, YOU KNOW, IS
IMPLANTED IN OUR HEADS AND OUR
HEARTS AND SO FORTH, I MEAN,
THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG
TIME.
THE CONCEPT OF CYBORG DATES BACK
TO THE EARLY '60S IN THE KLEIN
PAPER WHERE THEY WERE NOT
THINKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY
IMPLANTS, THEY WERE THINKING
ABOUT SPACE SUITS.
AND ANY TECHNOLOGY WE WORE OR
COUPLED IN SOME WAY ENHANCED OUR
ABILITIES, GAVE US SUPERPOWERS
WITHOUT HAVING TO THINK ABOUT
OPERATING IT.
SO UNLIKE A VEHICLE THAT YOU
HAVE TO DRIVE, THE SPACESUIT,
YOU JUST PUT IT ON AND IT
ENHANCED YOUR ABILITY TO BREATHE
IN OUTER SPACE WITHOUT YOU
HAVING TO THINK ABOUT YOUR
BREATHING.
SO WE ARE ALREADY MERGING WITH
TECHNOLOGY, WE HAVE BEEN, YOU
KNOW, FOR THE LONGEST TIME.
REMEMBER PAPER WAS ONCE A NEW
TECHNOLOGY.

Steve says OKAY.
BUT HANG ON.
I'M PUSHING BACK HERE A LITTLE
BIT.
AND WITH SOMEBODY WHO SHARES THE
SAME LAST NAME AS THE CAPTAIN OF
THE ENTERPRISE WHO GOT TURNED
INTO LOCUTUS OF BORG, I AM GOING
TO ASK ABOUT TECHNOLOGY BEING
MORE THAN A SMARTPHONE BEING
CARRIED IN YOUR JACKET POCKET.
ARE WE GETTING ONTO A DANGEROUS,
SLIPPERY SLOPE, AND WE START
TALKING ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF?

Rosalind says WELL, FIRST OF ALL, TO GET
TECHNOLOGY IMPLANTED, UNLESS YOU
DO SELF-SURGERY, YOU HAVE TO
CONVINCE A SURGEON THAT THERE'S
SOME BENEFIT THAT OUTWEIGHS THE
RISK.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE BRAIN
IMPLANTS PEOPLE USE WITH
EPILEPSY AND THEY GET THEM ONLY
AFTER VERY CAREFUL CONSIDERATION
THAT THE OPPORTUNITY IS THAT IT
WOULD SQUELCH A SEIZURE WITH
GREATER SUCCESS THAN THE PERSON
IS HAVING WITHOUT IT USING
MEDICATION AND OTHER METHODS.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO
SEE NILLY-WILLY PEOPLE COMING
OUT UNTIL THERE IS A VERY CLEAR
BENEFIT THAT OUTWEIGHS THE
SIGNIFICANT RISK OF AN INVASIVE
SURGERY.

Steve says ISABEL, I'VE GOT TO
FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THIS.
I CAN IMAGINE THE CONSPIRACY
THEORISTS AMONG US, THIS IS
ANOTHER WAY FOR THE GOVERNMENT
TO CONTROL YOUR MIND AND IMPLANT
BELIEVE TECHNOLOGY, CALM MY FEARS.
GO!

Isabel says I AGREE
WITH ROSALIND THAT THIS PROCESS
HAS ALREADY STARTED, AND AMANDA
SAID IT AS WELL, I CALL A
CONTINUUM OF EMBODIMENT AND IT'S
DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE HAVE TO
CHALLENGE, WE'RE MOVING FROM
SMARTPHONES TO WEARABLES TO
INGESTIBLE TECHNOLOGY.

Steve says INGESTIBLE?

Isabel says YES, YOU SWALLOW A COMPUTER,
IT GOES THROUGH YOUR BODY.

Steve says WHAT?
WHAT IS THAT?

Isabel says YOU KNOW, IT PROVIDES... IT'S
A CAMERA, RIGHT?
IT TAKES PICTURES OF THE INSIDES
OF YOUR DIGESTIVE TRACT AND
RELAY THAT INFORMATION TO A
DOCTOR, RIGHT, TO HELP PATIENTS.
AFTER INGESTIBLE IS SKIN-BASED
CONDUCIVE TECHNOLOGY AND THE
NOTION OF BRAIN IMPLANTS.
I THINK THAT ONE WAY YOU DON'T
HAVE TO BE AFRAID IS THAT IT'S
HAPPENING SLOWLY, RIGHT?
IT'S A CONTINUUM.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE DO HAVE TO
DO IS CHALLENGE IT AT EVERY
STAGE AND ASK WHY DO WE NEED IT,
WHO WILL OWN IT, HOW DO WE
MODERATE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW,
COMMERCIAL ENTITIES MAKING MONEY
WITHOUT EXPLAINING WHAT IT'S
GOING TO BE USED FOR.
BUT ONE THING I THINK WE HAVE TO
NOTICE IS THAT LARGE COMPANIES
ARE WORKING ON THIS, RIGHT?
INTEL ANNOUNCED THAT IN 2009,
THAT IT WANTED CHIPS IN ITS
CUSTOMERS' HEADS, AND ELON MUSK
HAS STARTED NEURALINK WHICH IS A
STARTUP THAT COMBINES A.I. AND
THE NOTION OF BRAIN IMPLANTS.

Steve says MARK ZUCKERBERG
TALKED ABOUT TELEPATHY ALREADY.

Isabel says ABSOLUTELY.

Steve says TOM, I NEED YOU IN
HERE AT THIS MOMENT, AND...
OKAY.
I GET WHY PUTTING IMPLANTABLE
TECHNOLOGY IN THE BRAIN TO AVOID
HAVING SEIZURES IF YOU'RE AN
EPILEPTIC.
I GET THAT.
IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
IT'S THE NEXT STAGES DOWN THE
ROAD AND I'M HEARING FROM ISABEL
AS WELL THAT WE'VE GOT TO START
ASKING TOUGH QUESTIONS EVERY
STEP OF THE WAY.
ARE YOU ON SIDE WITH THAT TOO?

Tom says OUTSIDE OF A
MEDICAL SCENARIO, YOU HAVE TO
KIND OF SEE HOW WE'VE DONE THIS
BEFORE.
I THINK THAT WILL EASE YOUR
CONCERN.
I THINK TAKING A LOOK AT THE EYE
WEAR JOURNEY IS A GREAT PLACE TO
START.
LASIK SURGERY, YOU WOULD HAVE
GONE BACK AND TOLD SOMEBODY WITH
A MONOCLE, WE ARE GOING TO BE
SLICING AND DICING OUR EYES, NOT
USING A MONOCLE, THEY WOULD BE
FREAKING OUT THEN LIKE WE ARE
RIGHT NOW ON "THE AGENDA."
ESPECIALLY WITH AUGMENTED
REALITY DEVICES, WE'RE NOW USING
OUR SMARTPHONE AND LOOKING
THROUGH OUR SMARTPHONE OR
LITERALLY TAKING OUR SMARTPHONE
AND PUTTING IT TO OUR EYE.
THAT'S THE MONOCLE.
WE MOVED FROM THE MONOCLE TO THE
GLASSES, THE GLASSES TO THE
CONTACT LENSES AND THE CONTACT
LENSES TO LASIK SURGERY.
WHY?
OUT OF CONVENIENCE.
IT WAS MORE CONVENIENT TO US.
AND THE VALUE WAS VERY CLEAR,
BECAUSE WE COULDN'T SEE.
SO THAT IS HOW THAT JOURNEY IS
GOING TO UNFOLD WITH WEARABLE
TECHNOLOGY, THE IMPLANTS.
AS ISABEL CLEARLY POINTED OUT,
IT'S GOING TO BE SLOW AND
GRADUAL.
RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE A SHOCK
AND IT'S NOT GOOD TO OVERLY TALK
ABOUT IMPLANTS RIGHT NOW IN MY
OPINION WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO
GET COMFORTABLE WITH PUTTING
WRISTBANDS ON OUR WRISTS.
BUT THIS IS A DIRECTION THAT
WE'RE HEADED AND YOU'RE GOING TO
WAKE UP ONE DAY AND YOU'RE GOING
TO BE WEARING YOUR CONNECTED
CLOTHING AND YOUR SMART GLASSES
AND YOU'RE GOING TO SAY TO
YOURSELF, THE LASIK SMART
SURGERY BECAUSE I JUST CAN'T
HANDLE WEARING CONTACT LENSES
AND GLASSES ALL THE TIME AND
IT'S GOING TO COME AT A
CONVENIENCE, A GENUINE PLACE OF
DESIRE AND NEED BECAUSE THE
VALUES HAD ALREADY BEEN OUTLINED
AND YOU NOW JUST WANT TO MAKE
YOUR LIFE A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO COME
ABOUT.

Steve says AMANDA, I'M DOWN TO
MY LAST 30 SECONDS HERE.
ARE YOU CONVINCED THAT WEARABLE
TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO IMPROVE
HUMANITY FOR THE BETTER?

Amanda says I AM.
I AM CONVINCED THAT IT'S GOING
TO IMPROVE HUMANITY FOR THE
BETTER.
LIKE TOM MENTIONED, WE'RE
ENABLING OURSELVES TO HAVE SUPER
POWERS AND I THINK WE'RE GOING
TO EXPERIENCE A NEW KIND OF
HUMANITY IN THE FUTURE THAT WE
NEVER IMAGINED POSSIBLE BEFORE.

Steve says IF YOU'RE SO
CONVINCED ABOUT THAT, I'D LIKE
YOU AND ISABEL TO GO LIKE THIS
RIGHT NOW WITH YOUR LEFT HAND.
GO AHEAD.
PUT THEM ON THE MIDDLE OF THE
TAPE.
WE NEED THE CAMERA TO GET A NICE
TIGHT SHOT.
AMANDA HAS HER APPLE WATCH ON,
WHICH THE RED SOX USED TO STEAL
SIGNALS.
WHAT ARE YOU WEARING?

Isabel says I'M WEARING AN ANALOGUE
WATCH, DOING OLD SCHOOL.

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Steve says THAT'S VERY OLD
SCHOOL.
I GUESS THAT IS WEARABLE
TECHNOLOGY.

Isabel says IT IS WEARABLE TECHNOLOGY.

Steve says PRETTY 19TH CENTURY.

Isabel says NOT DIGITAL.
YET.

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Steve says VERY GOOD.
I WANT TO THANK ALL FOUR OF YOU
FOR A TERRIFIC DISCUSSION HERE
TONIGHT ON THE "THE AGENDA." TOM
EMRICH IN SAN FRANCISCO,
ROSALIND PICARD AT THE MIT MEDIA
LAB JOINING US IN THE HEART OF
NEW ENGLAND, ISABEL PEDERSEN
FROM UOIT, AMANDA COSCO,
ELECTRIC RUNWAY.
THANKS SO MUCH EVERYBODY FOR
BEING ON TVO TONIGHT.

All the guests say THANK YOU.

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