Transcript: Ontario Hubs: Borers and Bees | Sep 29, 2017

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "Ontario Hubs."

Steve says THE THREAT OF THE
EMERALD ASH BORER BEETLE.
THE POTENTIAL OF A NEW
COMMERCIAL BEEKEEPING PROGRAM.
IT'S TIME TO CHECK IN WITH OUR
ONTARIO HUBS TO FIND OUT WHAT
THEY'VE GOT FOR US THIS WEEK:
JOINING US NOW FROM OUR STUDIO
AT CONFEDERATION COLLEGE IN
THUNDER BAY, ONTARIO:
JON THOMPSON, IN OUR
NORTHWESTERN ONTARIO HUB...

An animated slate reads "Ontario Hubs." Then a live feed pops up from a map of Ontario, showing a curly-haired man.
Jon is in his thirties, with blond hair and a trimmed beard. He's wearing a sand suit and shirt with an orange tie.

Steve continues AND VIA SKYPE FROM WESTERN
UNIVERSITY IN LONDON, ONTARIO:
MARY BAXTER, IN OUR SOUTHWESTERN
ONTARIO HUB.

A live feed pops up showing Mary. She's in her forties, with shoulder-length wavy brown hair. She's wearing glasses and a gray cardigan over a white blouse.

Steve continues AND HERE IN STUDIO:
JEYAN JEGANATHAN, OUR ONTARIO
HUBS FIELD PRODUCER.

Jeyan is in his thirties, with short curly black hair and a stubble. He's wearing a dark blue shirt.

Steve continues HUBMEISTERS, GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.
NICE TO SEE YOU TONIGHT.
JON, I WANT TO START WITH YOU.
THIS HAS BEEN QUITE A TOUGH WEEK
FOR THUNDER BAY, ON THE
INDIGENOUS FILE, ON THE
POLITICAL FILE, ON THE POLICING
FILE.
BRING US UP TO DATE, IF YOU WOULD?

The caption changes to "Jon Thompson. Northwestern Ontario Hub Journalist."
Then, it changes again to "tvo.org/theagenda."

Jon says IT'S TRUE, STEVE.
SATURDAY, 21-YEAR-OLD DYLAN
MOONIAS' BODY WAS DISCOVERED IN
THE NEEBING-MCINTYRE FLOODWAY
THAT RUNS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF
THE CITY IN THUNDER BAY.
HE IS THE LATEST OF SEVERAL
YOUNG INDIGENOUS PEOPLES TO BE
FOUND DEAD IN THAT RIVER.
MOST NOTABLY, EARLIER IN MAY,
YOU MAY REMEMBER, THERE WERE TWO
TEENAGERS WHOSE BODIES WERE
FOUND WITHIN 11 DAYS.
MONDAY, THE MAYOR KEITH HOBBS
RESUMED HIS DUTIES.
HE'S BEEN OFF FOR A COUPLE OF
MONTHS AFTER BEING CHARGED WITH
EXTORTION AND OBSTRUCTION.
HE WAS BACK ON MONDAY, AND
COUNCIL WAS TO HAVE VOTED ON A
MOTION CONDEMNING SENATOR LYNN
BEYAK WHO MADE A STATEMENT
REGARDING INDIGENOUS PEOPLE THAT
THEY OUGHT TO TRADE IN THEIR
STATUS CARDS FOR CITIZENSHIP.
THAT HAS BEEN MORE OR LESS
UNIVERSALLY CONDEMNED THROUGHOUT
NORTHWESTERN ONTARIO.
HOBBS TOLD ATPN THAT HE WAS
GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOUR OF
ASKING THE SENATOR TO STEP DOWN,
AND HE CHANGED HIS VOTE AT THE
LAST MINUTE.
THAT WAS THE DECIDING VOTE.
AND IT FAILED.
WHILE THAT WAS GOING ON, THE
ORPID WAS IN TOWN WHO IS
CONDUCTING AN INVESTIGATION INTO
SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION AT THE
POLICE FORCE.
200 PEOPLE WERE AT THAT MEETING.
THEY COMMITTED TO MORE PUBLIC
MEETINGS, INCLUDING MEETINGS
WITH THUNDER BAY'S HOMELESS
POPULATION AND TO DISCUSS THEIR
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POLICE
THERE.
ON TUESDAY, COUNCIL HELD A
MEETING THAT WAS A PRE-BUDGET
CONSULTATION.
THEY WERE UNABLE TO GET QUORUM
FOR THAT.
AND THEN WEDNESDAY ANOTHER MAN
WAS PULLED OUT OF THE RIVER.
POLICE ON THE SCENE PERFORMED
CPR SUCCESSFULLY, AND WE NOW
UNDERSTAND THAT HE IS RESTING
STABLY.
BUT IT HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT WEEK
IN THUNDER BAY.
WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ZERO.

Steve says ALL THINGS WE'RE
GOING TO BE FOLLOWING UP IN THE
WEEKS AHEAD.
THANKS FOR THAT, JON.
MARY, I WANT TO GO TO YOU NOW.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE
BEETLES, BUT NOT JOHN, PAUL,
GEORGE, OR RINGO, THE EMERALD
ASH BORER.
LET'S START BY HAVING YOU TELL
US WHAT THAT IN FACT IS.

The caption changes to "Mary Baxter. Southwestern Ontario Hub Journalist."
Then, it changes again to "Our threatened forests."

Mary says STEVE, IT'S A
TINY LITTLE BEETLE THAT
ORIGINATED IN THE FAR EAST, AND
IT'S EMERALD, AS ITS NAME WOULD
SUGGEST, AND ITS LARVAE LIVE
UNDERNEATH THE BARK OF ASH TREES
AND THEY EAT THE WOOD UNDERNEATH
THE BARK.
AND THE LITTLE CHANNELS THAT
THEY MAKE PREVENTS NUTRIENTS AND
WATER FROM GOING TO THE ROOTS OF
AN ASH TREE UP TO THE LEAVES AND
KILLS THE TREE.

Steve says WHY ARE PEOPLE SO
WORRIED ABOUT THIS?

Mary says WELL, THERE'S
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS,
BUT I THINK ONE OF THE BIG ONES
IS THAT THERE'S NO REAL
PRACTICAL WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS
INSECT IN THE FOREST, IN NATURE,
AND ONE STUDY THAT THEY DID IN
MICHIGAN IN A FOREST THERE
SHOWED THAT 99 percent OF THE ASH TREES
IN THE FOREST WERE KILLED BY
THIS BEETLE.
SO HERE IN ONTARIO, RESEARCHERS
HAVE TOLD ME THAT THERE'S ABOUT
10 percent OF THE FOREST WILL BE ASH
BUT IN PLACES LIKE SOUTHWESTERN
ONTARIO, THAT NUMBER OR THAT
AMOUNT HAS GONE UP TO ABOUT 90 percent
IN SOME CASES.
SO THAT'S A BIG AMOUNT OF OUR
FOREST COVER, AND THOSE ASHES
SUPPORT A LOT OF OTHER LIFE IN
THE FOREST TOO.
SO THERE'S A BIG CONCERN ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IN TERMS OF
SUPPORTING ALL THAT OTHER LIFE.

Steve says SO THIS IS AN
INVASIVE SPECIES THAT HAS NOW
COME TO THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO,
FIRST AT WINDSOR, AND IS NOW
MAKING ITS WAY NORTH.
WHAT DID AUTHORITIES TRY TO DO
TO STOP IT?

The caption changes to "Mary Baxter, @MaryBword."

Mary says WELL, IT
ARRIVED IN WINDSOR 15 YEARS AGO NOW.
IT TOOK THEM SOME TIME TO TRY TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS.
NOBODY KNEW AT FIRST.
AND ONCE THEY DID, THEY FIGURED
THAT THEY WOULD BORROW FROM
FOREST FIREFIGHTER TACTICS BY
CREATING A FIRE BREAK.
WHAT THAT MEANT WAS DEVELOPING A
ZONE THAT WAS ASH-FREE,
COMPLETELY FREE OF ASH TREES,
BETWEEN ESSEX AND CHATHAM-KENT.
THEY ALREADY HAD SOME PRECEDENT
IN USING THIS.
IT WAS A TACTIC THAT THEY HAD
USED IN TRYING TO CONTROL THE
ASIAN LONGHORN BEETLE WHICH HAD
BEEN COMING INTO SOME URBAN
AREAS IN THE UNITED STATES, AND
THEY THOUGHT THAT THIS BEETLE,
LIKE THE OTHER ONE, WOULD BE
SLOW-MOVING AND THAT THIS WOULD
BE A WAY TO HALT IT.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT DIDN'T
WORK.
ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AFTER
THEY ESTABLISHED THE ASH-FREE
ZONE, THEY FOUND IT 50 MILES
WEST OF LONDON IN DUTTON, AND
THE YEAR AFTER IT SHOWED UP IN
LONDON, AND THE YEAR AFTER THAT,
IT SHOWED UP IN OTTAWA.

The caption changes to "Connect with us: @theagenda, TVO.org, Facebook, YouTube, Periscope, Instagram."

Steve says NOW, THIS IS ONE OF
THESE EXAMPLES WHERE A
PHENOMENON THAT STARTED IN
SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO... JON,
I'LL GO TO YOU NOW... IS
ACTUALLY BEING EXPERIENCED IN
NORTHWESTERN ONTARIO AS WELL.
THIS IS ONE WAY THE PARTS OF THE
PROVINCE SPEAK TO EACH OTHER.
HOW IS THE CITY OF THUNDER BAY
DEALING WITH ITS BEETLE PROBLEM?

The caption changes to "Ash borers across the province."

Jon says THE EMERALD
ASH BORER WAS FIRST DISCOVERED
IN THUNDER BAY IN JUNE OF 2016.
SO COUNCIL HAS PASSED A 10-YEAR,
6.3 MILLION dollar PLAN TO ERADICATE
OR TO TREAT THE TREES, SORRY.
AND THAT'S ONLY GOING TO COVER
ABOUT A THIRD OF THE TREES.
MOST OF THE YOUNGER TREES
THEY'RE GOING TO ALLOW TO DIE.
BUT ASH COVERS ONE IN FOUR OF
THUNDER BAY'S ENTIRE TREE
CANOPY.

Steve says NOW, JON, I WONDER
WHETHER OR NOT THE BEETLE CAN
WITHSTAND THE COLDER
TEMPERATURES?

The caption changes to "Jon Thomnpson, @JonSThompson."

Jon says INTERESTINGLY
ENOUGH THEY'RE FINDING THAT IT
MIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE THE CYCLE OF
INFESTATION LONGER BECAUSE
THEY'RE BORING DEEPER UNDER THE
BARK TO WITHSTAND THE HARSHER
WINTERS.
SO THEY HAVEN'T SAID THAT
CONCLUSIVELY YET, BUT THE
CURRENT HYPOTHESIS IS IT COULD
ACTUALLY BE LONGER THAN 10 YEARS.

Steve says MARY, DO YOU KNOW
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF FOREST LANDS
IN THE PROVINCE COULD EVENTUALLY
BE AFFECTED BY THIS THING?

Mary says I THINK RIGHT
NOW IT'S SOMETHING LIKE
250,000 HECTARES.
IT'S A LAND AREA THAT'S
EQUIVALENT TO MAYBE THREE TIMES
THE SIZE OF TORONTO.
SO IF YOU THINK OF THAT AS ALL
ASH, THAT'S WHAT'S AFFECTED
RIGHT NOW.
THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL OF GOING
ANYWHERE.
I MEAN, IT'S GONE TO QUEBEC.
WE'VE SEEN IT IN THUNDER BAY.
AND OF COURSE THE CONCERN IS
THAT IT'S GOING TO SPREAD OUT
WEST WHERE THEY HAVE EVEN MORE
ASH TREES.

Steve says GOTCHA.
OKAY.
THANKS TO YOU TWO FOR THAT.
STAND BY.
WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU
WITH SOMETHING ELSE IN A FEW
MOMENTS.
JEYAN, I WANT TO GET YOU IN
HERE.
YOU WENT TO NIAGARA COLLEGE TO
VISIT THE BEEKEEPING PROGRAM
THAT'S GOING TO GRADUATE ITS
FIRST STUDENTS THIS YEAR.
LET'S LOOK AT YOUR WORK AND
WE'LL COME BACK AND CHAT.
SHELDON, IF YOU WOULD?

A clip plays on screen.
Music plays and fast clips show students working with bees in a lab, and collecting honey.

A male voice says THESE
STUDENTS ARE THE NEXT GENERATION
OF BEEKEEPERS IN ONTARIO.
THEY ARE THE FIRST TO GO THROUGH
NIAGARA COLLEGE'S COMMERCIAL
BEEKEEPING PROGRAM, THE ONLY ONE
OF ITS KIND IN EASTERN CANADA.

A woman in her thirties stands in a lab wearing a lab coat.

She says THEY STARTED OFF IN THE FIRST
TERM, IN JANUARY, REALLY
LEARNING THE FOUNDATIONS OF
HONEYBEE HEALTH, ENTOMOLOGY OF
BEES, POLLINATORS, AND THE
SECOND TERM WHICH RAN IN THE
SPRING AND SUMMER WAS REALLY
HANDS-ON, SO GETTING IN NOT JUST
WHAT'S POSSIBLE.

A man in his forties handles a beehive panel.

Then he stands outdoors and says IT'S CRAZY YOU CAN'T KEEP A
BEEHIVE ALIVE IN A LOT OF PARTS
OF ONTARIO BECAUSE THE
ENVIRONMENT IS TOO TOXIC.

The clip ends.

Steve says YIKES!
WHO WANTS TO BE A BEEKEEPER?

The caption changes to "Jeyan Jeganathan. Ontario Hubs Field Producer."

Jeyan says IT'S AN
INTERESTING QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT... DO
YOU REMEMBER BEING ASKED WHAT
YOU WANTED TO BE AS A CHILD?
YOU KNOW, THE USUAL ANSWERS
ARE... FOR ME I CAN SAY,
SCIENTIST, AN ASTRONAUT, YOU
KNOW, A FIREFIGHTER.

Steve says HOCKEY PLAYER.

Jeyan says
BASKETBALL PLAYER MAYBE.
BEEKEEPER WASN'T ON THE LIST AND
IT WASN'T ON THE LIST FOR THESE
STUDENTS AS WELL.
THERE'S VARIOUS REASONS AS TO
WHY THEY JOINED THIS PROGRAM.

Steve says SUCH AS...

Jeyan says THEY TELL
ME ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS
IS, IT'S JUST BEES HAVE BEEN IN
THE NEWS FOR SO LONG, WHETHER
IT'S THE BEE POPULATION
DECLINING, WHETHER IT'S VARIETAL
HONEY, THEY JUST WANT TO GET
INTO IT.
ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING
ONES, THE STUDENT TOLD ME SHE
DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT
BEEKEEPING.
ALL SHE KNEW WAS SHE LIKED HONEY
ON HER TOAST WITH PEANUT BUTTER
AND SHE KNEW BEES LIKED FLOWERS.
THAT WAS ENOUGH FOR HER TO JUMP
INTO THIS.
NOW SHE HAS 50 HIVES IN HER BACK
YARD AND SHE WANTS TO GET INTO A
POLLINATING SERVICE.

Steve says IS THERE MORE TO
BEES THAN MAKING HONEY?

The caption changes to "The buzz on campus."

Jeyan says THERE'S A
LOT MORE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THAT
MISCONCEPTION THAT HONEY BEES IS
JUST HONEY.
IN ONTARIO WE HAVE THE LARGEST
NUMBER OF BEEKEEPERS IN CANADA
BUT ONLY PRODUCE ABOUT 8 TO
10 PERCENT OF THE HONEY IN
CANADA.
SO A LOT OF THE SERVICE IS
POLLINATION SERVICE.
PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE BEEKEEPERS
LOAD THEIR BEES ONTO A TRUCK,
SEND THEM TO A FARM, CALL THE
FARMERS, GET THEIR CROPS
POLLINATED.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST BENEFITERS IS
NEW BRUNSWICK.
THOSE BLUEBERRIES THAT WE EAT
DURING THE SUMMER TIME, THEY'RE
POLLINATED FROM OUR ONTARIO
BEES.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST.
YOU HAVE BEE PRODUCTION WITH THE
QUEEN BREEDING.
YOU HAVE WAX.
OF COURSE YOU HAVE SOAPS.
AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE HONEY.

Steve says DID YOU GET STUNG?

Jeyan says I DID.

He points at the left side of his neck.

Steve says DID YOU REALLY?

Jeyan says I DID INDEED.

Steve says YOU GOT STUNG ON
THAT CHEEK.

Jeyan says IT HURT.
FIRST TIME I GOT STUNG.
I WASN'T ALLERGIC.

Steve says TALK ABOUT TAKING
ONE FOR THE TEAM.
ALL RIGHT, JEYAN, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
WE'RE GOING TO FINISH ON THIS.
THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER ON OUR
WEBSITE, TVO.org, WE'VE BEEN
WRITING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF
VARIOUS FOODS THAT ARE
DISTINCTLY ONTARIAN.

A screenshot from the TVO website pops up showing an article. It reads "tvo.org/current-affairs. The great Ontario food fight: Eight foods enter, one food leaves."

Steve continues AT THE END OF THE SERIES WE
CREATED... YOU KNOW HOW THEY DO
THIS FOR BASKETBALL IN THE
UNITED STATES, WE HAD A BRACKET.
PEOPLE VOTED ON WHAT IS THE MOST
QUINTESSENTIAL ONTARIO FOOD,
THAT IS PEAMEAL BACON VERSUS THE
PERSIAN FROM THUNDER BAY.
THE PERSIAN WON IN A LANDSLIDE.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE FACEBOOK
POSTS THAT ARE TRYING TO RALLY
THE PERSIAN VOTE WHEN IT WAS UP
AGAINST BUTTER TARTS IN THE
SEMIFINALS.

Another screencap pops up showing a post on Facebook by Anmiki Tours that reads "Civic pride is on the line folks! Help support Thunder Bay in the Great Ontario Food Fight! Go Persian!"
Other similar posts flash by.

Steve says WELL, CLEARLY THERE
WAS A LOT OF PROTECTING THE HOME
TURF THAT WAS INVOLVED HERE.
JON, YOU'VE HAD 'EM, I'VE HAD
'EM, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVEN'T
HAD 'EM.
LET'S START WITH THIS: WHAT'S A PERSIAN?

Jon shows a pastry that resembles a doughnut with no hole in the middle and says WELL, THIS IS A PERSIAN.
IT'S KIND OF A DOUGHNUT IN A
CINNAMON BUN STYLE.
WE HAVE KIND OF A RASPBERRY
SUGARY TOPPING ON TOP OF THAT.
UP UNTIL RECENTLY, YOU COULD
ONLY GET THIS IN THUNDER BAY.
AND A GREAT DEAL OF WHAT THEY'VE
PRODUCED IN THUNDER BAY IS
ACTUALLY EXPORTED.
THEY PUT THE SUGAR ON THE SIDE
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TRAVELLING
WITH THESE TO BRING THEM
ELSEWHERE.
THAT'S HOW BIG THEY ARE.

Steve says OF COURSE THE BEST
PART ABOUT THEM IS ABSOLUTELY NO
CALORIES WHATSOEVER, RIGHT?

Jon says MM.

Steve says NOT EXACTLY.
THAT'S FIVE MEALS' WORTH OF
CALORIES RIGHT THERE.
WHEN THE WORD WENT FORTH IN
THUNDER BAY THAT WE WERE HAVING
THIS CONTEST, HOW MUCH HOMETOWN
PRIDE WAS AT STAKE GETTING
PEOPLE OUT TO ACTUALLY SUPPORT
THE HOMETOWN TREAT?

Jon says WELL, THAT'S
THE THING ABOUT THUNDER BAY.
ITS CIVIC PRIDE IS FIERCE.
AND SO WHAT WE SAW HERE WAS
SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW IN A CBC
POLL A FEW YEARS BACK IN WHICH
THEY TRIED TO LOOK AT THE SEVEN
WONDERS OF CANADA, AND A
SLEEPING GIANT THIS ROCK
FORMATION THAT LOOKS LIKE A
SLEEPING GIANT ACROSS THE BAY
GOT 177,000 VOTES NEXT TO THE
CLOSEST 81,000.
AND IT WAS SIMILAR IN THIS CASE.
THE COMMERCIAL RADIO STATIONS
WERE PUSHING IT.
TONS AND TONS OF SOCIAL MEDIA
SHARES.
I THINK THERE WERE ABOUT 200
MOST OF THEM GENEROUS TO
PERSIANS.
AND WHEN PEOPLE IN THUNDER BAY
SEE PERSIANS UP AGAINST BUTTER
TARTS, WHAT THEY REALLY SEE IS
BUTTER TARTS UP AGAINST THUNDER BAY.

Another screencap pops up that reads "The story behind Thunder Bay's curiously named, mysteriously frosted, legendarily hankered-for treat – the Persian."

Steve says OKAY.
MR. DIRECTOR, CAN I GET A
THREE-SHOT HERE.
I WANT TO KNOW HOW ALL THREE
PEOPLE VOTED.
JON, YOU VOTED FOR THE PERSIAN?

Jon says YOU BETTER
BELIEVE IT.

Steve says MARY?

Mary says WINDSOR?
PIZZA, OF COURSE.

Steve says JEYAN?

Jeyan says THE
BUTTER TART.

Jon bites into the Persian.

The caption changes to "Producer: Mark Brosens, @MarkBrosens."

Steve says YOU VOTED FOR THE
BUTTER TART?
I FEEL DISLOYAL TO OUR GOOD
FRIEND JON, DON'T YOU THINK?
OH, MY GOSH, JON, YOU'RE MAKING
ME SO JEALOUS RIGHT NOW EATING
THAT THING.
FYI, I NEVER TELL ANYBODY WHO I
VOTE FOR BUT I DID VOTE FOR THE
PERSIAN THIS TIME.
I DID.
I'VE HAD THEM.
THEY'RE PHENOMENAL.
WELL DONE.
JON THOMPSON, MARY BAXTER, JEYAN
JEGANATHAN.

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