Transcript: Ontario Election Preview: The NDP Leader | Jun 07, 2017

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, pale blue shirt, and striped red tie.

A caption on screen reads "Ontario election preview: The NDP Leader. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says AS WE COUNT DOWN
EXACTLY ONE YEAR UNTIL THE NEXT
PROVINCIAL ELECTION, THE LEADER
OF THE NDP MAY VERY WELL HAVE
TWO DIFFERENT EXPRESSIONS IN HER
HEAD.
THIS WILL BE THE THIRD TIME SHE
LEADS HER PARTY INTO POLITICAL
BATTLE.
WILL IT BE THIRD TIME'S THE
CHARM?
OR THREE STRIKES AND YOU'RE OUT?
LET'S FIND OUT FROM ANDREA
HORWATH, LEADER OF ONTARIO'S NEW
DEMOCRATS AND THE MPP FOR
HAMILTON CENTRE.

Andrea is in her mid-forties, with blond hair in a short bob. She's wearing a black blazer over a printed blouse, and pendant earrings.

Steve continues WE WELCOME YOU BACK INTO THAT
CHAIR HERE AT TVO.

Andrea says HI, STEVE.

Steve says I WANT TO JUST GET A
LITTLE TOUCHY-FEELY OFF THE TOP
HERE AND ASK YOU WHAT YOU THINK
YOU KNOW TODAY THAT YOU DIDN'T
KNOW TWO ELECTIONS AGO THAT YOU
THINK PREPARES YOU BETTER TO BE
PREMIER TODAY, IF THAT WERE TO
HAPPEN A YEAR FROM TODAY?

The caption changes to "Andrea Horwath. Ontario NDP Leader."
Then, it changes again to "Third time a charm?"

Andrea says WELL, I MEAN, FOR ONE THING,
I'VE CERTAINLY LISTENED TO A
HECK OF A LOT OF ONTARIANS
BETWEEN WHEN I FIRST BECAME
LEADER AND TODAY.
I'VE GOTTEN A SENSE OF WHERE
PEOPLE ARE AT, WHAT THEIR
THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS AND
WORRIES ARE, AND THAT'S ALWAYS
BEEN MY PRIORITY, FRANKLY.
BUT THE OTHER PIECE THAT I HAVE
IS THE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING BEEN
A LEADER THROUGH A COUPLE OF
CAMPAIGNS NOW, THE MINORITY
PARLIAMENT I THINK WAS AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO LEARN A
LOT MORE ABOUT HOW YOU WORK TO
ACTUALLY EFFECT REAL CHANGE,
HAVING THE POWER TO DO SO IN
THAT KIND OF SCENARIO.
SO THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF
INSIGHT INTO THE WORKINGS OF
GOVERNMENT, IF YOU WILL, WHEN
YOU'RE MORE AT THE TABLE THAN
NOT, AS SIMPLY A THIRD PARTY
LEADER.
I THINK THERE'S A GREAT DEAL
THAT I'VE COME TO LEARN OVER THE
YEARS, BUT I GO BACK TO THE FACT
THAT FOR ME IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT
PEOPLE AND LISTENING TO PEOPLE
AND FINDING THE WAYS TO COME UP
WITH IDEAS AND SOLUTIONS TO THE
CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR
DAILY LIVES.

Steve says THERE'S EVERY
POSSIBILITY IT COULD BE... WHO
KNOWS, RIGHT?
IT'S A YEAR AWAY.
IT'S POSSIBLE IT COULD BE A
MINORITY GOVERNMENT NEXT TIME
OUT AS WELL.

Andrea says POSSIBLE.

Steve says AND WHO KNOWS WHOSE
MINORITY GOVERNMENT IT MIGHT BE.
GIVE US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING,
THOSE THREE YEARS WHEN DALTON
McGUINTY WAS PREMIER AND YOU
HELD THE BALANCE OF POWER IN THE
LEGISLATURE, HOW DO YOU
NEGOTIATE YOUR WAY AROUND ALL OF
THAT TO, AS YOU PUT IT, BE ABLE
TO PUT THE PEOPLE'S AGENDA FIRST?

The caption changes to "Andrea Horwath. NDP MPP, Hamilton Centre."

Andrea says FIRST AND
FOREMOST, IF YOU WILL, THE OTHER
OPPOSITION PARTY DECIDED THEY
WEREN'T GOING TO PLAY BALL.
THEY DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WIN AND
THAT WAS THE END OF IT FOR THEM.
THEY WERE GOING TO SIT ON THE
SIDE LINES AND WHINE AND
COMPLAIN AND NOT DO ANYTHING AT
ALL TO FULFIL THE DESIRE OF THE
PEOPLE, THE DESIRE OF THE PEOPLE
WAS A MINORITY PARLIAMENT, AND
THAT'S WHAT WE HAD BEEN GIVEN TO
WORK WITH AND SO WE WORKED HARD
TO TRY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AND IT WAS REALLY ALL ABOUT
THAT.
IT WAS ABOUT TRYING TO WRESTLE
FROM THE GOVERNMENT GAINS FOR
PEOPLE, GAINS FOR ONTARIANS.
SO EVERYTHING FROM EXTRA
FUNDING, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR SMALL
COMMUNITY HOSPITALS, AT A TIME
WHEN THE GOVERNMENT WAS NOT
FUNDING THEM APPROPRIATELY, TO
IN FACT KATHLEEN WYNNE AND I
NEGOTIATED ONE OF THOSE DEALS AS
WELL, IF YOU RECALL.
THAT WAS THE BIG PIECE THERE WAS
AUTO INSURANCE.
REMEMBER, THAT WAS A STRETCH
GOAL.
SHE, ON THE ONE HAND, SAID THAT
SHE WOULD DO IT, YOU KNOW, IF
SHE WAS TO GET US THROUGH THAT
BUDGET AND THEN, OF COURSE, HERE
WE ARE, HOW MANY YEARS LATER, WE
STILL DON'T HAVE AUTO INSURANCE.
IT'S GONE DOWN BY 15 percent.
IT WAS ONE OF THOSE STRETCH
GOALS.
WHAT THAT MINORITY PARLIAMENT
DID IS IT REALLY HELPED TO, YOU
KNOW, EVEN OFF THE RELATIONSHIP,
IF YOU WILL, BETWEEN, YOU KNOW,
THE PREMIER AND THE PARTY THAT
WAS PREPARED TO WORK WITH THEM
TO TRY TO MAKE THE PROVINCE
OPERATE IN BETWEEN ELECTIONS.

Steve says LET ME PUT YOU IN A
WEIRD SPOT HERE...

Andrea says NOT YOU?

Steve says YEAH, YEAH.
KATHLEEN WYNNE HAS LED ONE
PROVINCE-WIDE CAMPAIGN AND YOU
HAVE LED TWO AND PATRICK BROWN
HAS NEVER LED A PROVINCE-WIDE
CAMPAIGN.
YOU HAVING BEEN THROUGH IT, WHAT
WOULD YOU RECOMMEND HE NEEDS TO
KNOW RIGHT NOW?

Andrea says OH, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT?
HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN HIS
WAY THROUGH IT ON HIS OWN.
I MEAN, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, NO
SENSE THAT I CAN GIVE HIM ANY
PARTICULAR ADVICE.

Steve says WHAT ARE THE HARD
LESSONS LEARNED THE FIRST TIME OUT?

Andrea says IT'S A LONG PROCESS.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS SHORT.
YOU THINK, WELL, IT'S A 28-DAY
CAMPAIGN, BUT IN FACT THAT 28
DAYS IS JAM-PACKED AND THE
CAMPAIGN STARTS FAR BEFORE 28
DAYS.
IN FACT, WE'VE LITERALLY STARTED
ALREADY, AS YOU KNOW, TO PUT
SOME OF OUR POLICY PIECES OUT
THERE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT
LEADERSHIP... I BELIEVE THAT
LEADERSHIP IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
TELLING PEOPLE WHAT YOU'RE GOING
TO DO AND THEN ACTUALLY DOING IT.

Steve says YOU HAVE PUT SOME
POLICY OUT AND WE WILL GET TO
THAT IN A SECOND.
SOME MIGHT ARGUE THAT THE
CAMPAIGN HAS IN SOME RESPECTS
ALREADY BEGUN INASMUCH AS WE HAD
A BY-ELECTION IN SAULT Saint MARIE LAST WEEK.
I PRESUME YOU ARE DISAPPOINTED
AT THE FACT THAT THE PUBLIC
CLEARLY WANTED AN ALTERNATIVE TO
THE LIBERALS AND THEY PICKED THE
CONSERVATIVES INSTEAD OF YOU GUYS.
WHAT LESSON DID YOU TAKE FROM THAT?

The caption changes to "Andrea Horwath, @AndreaHorwath."

Andrea says I MEAN, WE
WORKED REALLY HARD ON THAT
CAMPAIGN.
I'M CERTAINLY PROUD OF MY
CANDIDATE, SHE DID A FANTASTIC
JOB AND OUR VOLUNTEERS DID A
GREAT JOB ON THE CAMPAIGN.
BUT BY-ELECTIONS ARE
INTERESTING.
IN THIS BY-ELECTION, PEOPLE WERE
WANTING TO JUST SEND A STRONG
MESSAGE TO KATHLEEN WYNNE, AND
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE
GOVERNMENT FELL TO THIRD,
QUITE...

Steve says A BAD THIRD.

The caption changes to "Connect with us: @theagenda, TVO.org, Facebook, YouTube, Periscope, Instagram."

Andrea says QUITE A BIT
BACK. WE DID FAIRLY WELL.
YES, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DIDN'T
COME THROUGH THE FINISH LINE AT
THE TOP, WHICH WE WERE HOPING TO DO.
BUT, LOOK, NEXT YEAR IS A WHOLE
DIFFERENT BALL GAME.
I MEAN, THIS BY-ELECTION WAS
ABOUT SENDING THAT STRONG
MESSAGE TO THE GOVERNMENT BY
CHANGING A SEAT IN THE
LEGISLATURE.
THE NEXT ELECTION IS ABOUT
CHANGING THE GOVERNMENT, AND I
THINK PEOPLE WILL HAVE QUITE A
DIFFERENT CHOICE TO MAKE AT THAT
POINT.

Steve says SURE.
BUT THEY CHOSE TO SEND THAT
STRONG MESSAGE TO THE GOVERNMENT
THROUGH A DIFFERENT VEHICLE.

Andrea says SURE.

Steve says AND NOT THROUGH YOU.
AND YOU GUYS HAD HELD THE SEAT
MORE RECENTLY THAN THE
CONSERVATIVES HAVE WHO HAVEN'T
HELD IT SINCE 1981.
DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY WOULD HAVE
CHOSEN THAT DIFFERENT VEHICLE AS
OPPOSED TO YOU?

Andrea says AGAIN, IT
WASN'T SOMETHING WE WERE HAPPY
TO SEE.
I WAS PROUD OF JO.
THE FOLKS CHOSE TO SEND A
CONSERVATIVE TO THE LEGISLATURE
IN THE INTERIM.
I THINK OUR SMALL SHOWING IN
THAT ELECTION GIVES US A CHANCE
TO SHOW THE PEOPLE OF SAULT STE.
MARIE, AND FRANKLY ALL OF
ONTARIO, THAT WHEN IT COMES TO
THE NEXT ELECTION, IF THEY DON'T
WANT TO SEE THE LIBERALS IN
OFFICE, THEY HAVE A SERIOUS
CHOICE TO MAKE, AND THAT'S WHY
WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF OUR IDEAS
OUT THERE.
WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT
THEY'RE BUYING, IF YOU WILL,
WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE GETTING
INTO.
AND WE HAVE MR. BROWN WHO IS
REALLY, EVEN THROUGH THAT
CAMPAIGN, WAS NOT VERY UPFRONT
ABOUT WHAT HIS PLANS ARE, WHAT
HIS INTENTIONS ARE, WHAT HIS
POLICY IDEAS ARE, WHERE HE
STANDS ON PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING.

Steve says MS. HORWATH, I WATCH
QUESTION PERIOD EVERY DAY.
THAT'S HOW BORING MY LIFE IS.

Andrea says I WAS GOING TO SAY.

Steve says AND YOU KNOW WHAT
I'VE NOTICED OVER THE LAST MANY
MONTHS I'VE BEEN WATCHING?

Andrea says WHAT'S THAT?

Steve says WE HAVE A CLIP PACK HERE.
LET'S ROLL THIS, PLEASE.

A clip plays on screen with the caption "Andrea Horwath. May 30, 2017."
In the clip, Andrea speaks in the Legislature during question period.

She says WILL THIS PREMIER AND THE
LIBERAL PARTY ADMIT THAT
MANDATING POLITICALLY MOTIVATED,
POLITICALLY CONVENIENT INSERTS
TO BE INCLUDED IN PEOPLE'S HYDRO
BILLS DURING AN ELECTION
CAMPAIGN IS JUST TOO FAR TO GO
EVEN FOR THE LIBERALS?

Interjections HEAR, HEAR!

Another clip plays, from April 24, 2017.

Andrea says AS I RECALL, IT WAS THE
CANADIAN ASSOCIATION OF RETIRED PERSONS.
IT WAS SENIORS ACROSS THE PROVINCE.
IT WAS NEW DEMOCRATS THAT FORCED
THEM TO BACK DOWN FROM
INCREASING PRESCRIPTION COSTS
FOR SENIORS.
THAT'S WHAT WAS IN THEIR INITIAL
BUDGET, SPEAKER.
I THINK THE MINISTER FORGETS!

The clip ends.

Steve says OKAY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SEEM
TO BE LATELY IS A LOT ANGRIER.
IS THAT AN INCORRECT INFERENCE
ON MY PART?

The caption changes to "Intra-party difficulties."

Andrea says WELL, I
MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ANGER
SO MUCH AS FRUSTRATION.
I HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE OF
ONTARIO ALL THE TIME.
FOLKS ARE HITTING A TIPPING
POINT.
THEY'RE FRUSTRATED.
THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE
GOVERNMENT IS HEARING THEM AND
UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY'RE GOING
THROUGH.
I MEAN, FOLKS ARE AT A SITUATION
WHERE THE COST OF EVERYTHING...
HYDRO INCLUDED, HYDRO
ESPECIALLY, IS GOING UP.

Steve says HYDRO IS COMING DOWN 25 percent.

Andrea says WE'LL SEE,
ONLY TO GO UP AGAIN IN A COUPLE
YEARS' TIME IS WHAT THE
FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICER
WAS PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT.
SO THAT RELIEF IS GOING TO BE
VERY, VERY SHORT TERM AND THE
SYSTEM WON'T BE CHANGING.
THE ELECTRICITY SYSTEM IS NOT
CHANGING.
SO THE MESS THAT THE LIBERALS
HAVE MADE OF HYDRO IS JUST GOING
TO CONTINUE TO EXIST AND WE'RE
JUST GOING TO BE PAYING MORE FOR
IT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO
STRETCH THE COST OF PAYING FOR
IT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT, LOOK, THAT'S WHAT'S
FRUSTRATING.
EVEN WHEN I GO ACROSS THE
PROVINCE.
I MEAN, HERE IN TORONTO WHAT I
HEAR FROM PEOPLE, THE SENSE IS
ONE OF EXTREME DISAPPOINTMENT IN
THIS PREMIER, IN KATHLEEN WYNNE.

Steve says BASED ON WHAT?

Andrea says WELL, BASED ON WHAT THEY TELL ME.
WHY?
THEY TELL ME SHE WAS ONE PERSON
OR PREMIER BEFORE THE ELECTION
AND TURNED INTO SOMETHING
TOTALLY DIFFERENT AFTER THE
ELECTION, AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY
DISAPPOINTED.
AROUND THE PROVINCE, THOUGH, IN
RIDINGS OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL
TORONTO AREA, THEY'RE ANGRY.
THEY'RE ANGRY.
THEY'RE MAD AS HELL.
AND THEY'RE QUITE TIRED OF
KATHLEEN WYNNE AND THE LIBERAL
GOVERNMENT.

Steve says WELL, LET ME ASK IF
THERE'S SOME ANGER ON YOUR PART
BECAUSE... YOU GUYS CAME OUT
WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT LOOKED LIKE
A VERY THOUGHTFUL PLAN ON A
PHARMACARE OPTION THAT YOU
ADVANCED, AND THEN THEY KIND OF
SCOOPED YOU IN THEIR OWN BUDGET
AND THEY PUT OUT A DIFFERENT
PLAN WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD
ARGUE WHICH ONE'S BETTER THAN
THE OTHER. I'VE HEARD EXPERTS
ON BOTH SIDES.
ARE YOU STILL KIND OF TICKED OFF
THEY STOLE SOME OF YOUR THUNDER
ON THAT?

Andrea says WE'RE GOING
TO CONTINUE TO PUT OUT GOOD IDEAS.
THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO DESERVE A
PHARMACARE PLAN, FRANKLY, THAT
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
HOW OLD YOU ARE OR HOW MUCH
MONEY YOU MAKE TO QUALIFY FOR IT.

Steve says YOURS COVERS EVERYBODY.
FEWER DRUGS BUT MORE PEOPLE.

Andrea says INITIALLY, INITIALLY.
THE OTHER THING YOU CAN'T
FORGET, THE LIBERAL PLAN, WHEN
YOU'RE 24 YEARS OLD, YOU
QUALIFY.
THE MINUTE YOU'RE 25 YEARS OLD,
YOU NO LONGER GET YOUR
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.
THINK OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE
LEAVING POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION
RIGHT AROUND THAT AGE.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE
ELIGIBLE FOR DRUG COVERAGE.
SOME OF THEM HAD THAT IN
UNIVERSITY OR COLLEGE.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IT
AFTERWARDS.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN THEIR 30s,
IN THEIR 40s, IN THEIR 50s,
PEOPLE WHO, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE
NEEDING H.I.V. DRUGS, THEY'RE
NOT GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE UNLESS
THEY'RE 24 OR UNDER.

Steve says THEIR PLAN MAY COVER
THOUSANDS MORE DIFFERENT
MEDICATIONS BUT ONLY UNTIL AGED
25 YOU FEEL IS INFERIOR TO YOURS.

Andrea says EXTREMELY SO.
BUT ALSO, LET'S REMEMBER,
THOUSANDS OF MORE MEDICATIONS,
THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHICH WOULD
NEVER BE PRESCRIBED FOR YOUTH
AND FOR CHILDREN.
AGAIN, THE LIBERALS LIKE TO PUT
A LOT OF NUMBERS OUT THERE THAT
MAKE THEIR PLAN LOOK REALLY GREAT.
BUT ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS
THAT IT DOESN'T DO, OTHER THAN
THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T COVER
EVERYONE, WHICH OURS DOES, IS
THAT IT DOESN'T PROVIDE US WITH
THAT BUYING POWER THAT WILL HELP
US TO WRESTLE DOWN THE COST OF
DRUGS WITH THE PHARMACEUTICAL
COMPANIES.
I MEAN, THIS IS ONE OF THE BIG
PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN ONTARIO
AND ACROSS CANADA.
AND OUR PLAN, COVERING
14 MILLION PEOPLE WITH A SET
BUDGET, GIVES US EXACTLY THAT
BARGAINING POWER AND WILL HELP
US TO GET THE COST OF DRUGS DOWN.
AND THE INITIAL 125 OR SO DRUGS
IS EXACTLY THAT.
IT'S THE INITIAL AMOUNT OF
DRUGS, WHICH WILL COVER 70 percent OF
THE DRUGS THAT ARE PRESCRIBED
FOR THE MOST COMMON AILMENTS
THAT PEOPLE HAVE.
AND SO IT'S QUITE A
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT'S ONE,
AGAIN, THAT DEALS WITH THE
PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE WITH
PHARMACEUTICALS IN THAT THEY'RE
HIGH IN COST BECAUSE WE DON'T
HAVE MUCH BARGAINING POWER TO
GET THOSE COSTS DOWN.
OUR PLAN DOES THAT.

Steve says LET'S RETURN TO THE
ELECTRICITY FILE FOR A SECOND.
YOU TOLD US WHAT YOU THOUGHT OF
THE LIBERAL PLAN DESPITE
ADVERTISING A 25 percent REDUCTION, YOU
THINK OBVIOUSLY IN THE YEARS
AHEAD THAT THE RATES ARE GOING
TO COME BACK UP.
I WANT TO ASK YOU MORE ABOUT
YOUR PLAN.
IF I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU WOULD
LIKE THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO TO
SORT OF REACQUIRE, FOR PUBLIC
OWNERSHIP, HYDRO ONE, WHICH IS
THE SORT OF WIRES COMPANY, RIGHT?
THE ONE THAT DISTRIBUTES ALL THE
ELECTRICITY OUT THERE.
HOW WOULD YOU PURPORT TO DO THAT?

The caption changes to "Hydro headaches."

Andrea says WELL, LOOK.
IT'S VERY CLEAR ONLINE.
I MEAN, ANYBODY CAN GO ONLINE TO
LOOK AT BOTH OUR PHARMACARE PLAN
AND OUR HYDRO PLAN.
WE'RE GOING TO USE THE REMAINING
DIVIDENDS FROM HYDRO ONE THAT WE
RECEIVE EVERY YEAR, WHICH OF
COURSE HAVE BEEN WHITTLED DOWN
BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT IS NOW
GIVING THOSE DIVIDENDS AWAY TO
PRIVATE SHAREHOLDERS, BUT WE'RE
GOING TO USE THOSE REMAINING
DIVIDENDS TO BUY BACK THE
SHARES.
WE KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE
DEPENDENT, IN TERMS OF HOW LONG
IT'S GOING TO TAKE, ON A NUMBER
OF THINGS.
ONE IS THE SHARE PRICE AT THE
TIME WHEN WE FORM GOVERNMENT.
THE OTHER IS, OF COURSE, THE
FACT THAT NOW THE GOVERNMENT HAS
SOLD OFF THE LAST TRANCHE AND SO
NOW THEY'VE SOLD OFF MORE...

Steve says IT'S 50-PLUS PERCENT.
PROBABLY GOING TO COST, WHAT,
300 MILLION OR 400 MILLION BUCKS
FOR THE SHARES?

Andrea says THAT DEPENDS ON THE SHARE
PRICE.
WHAT WE'VE SAID IN OUR PLAN
ONLINE IS THAT THE LENGTH OF
TIME IT WILL TAKE US WILL BE
DETERMINED BY THE NUMBER OF
SHARES OR THE AMOUNT OF SHARES
SOLD OFF AT THE TIME THAT THE
PLAN GOES INTO EFFECT AND THE
SHARE PRICE AT THE TIME.

Steve says WHAT IS THE VALUE IN
DOING THAT?

Andrea says WELL, BASICALLY IT BRINGS
BACK INTO PUBLIC HANDS THE CROWN
CORPORATION THAT KATHLEEN WYNNE
HAD NO RIGHT TO SELL OFF IN THE
FIRST PLACE.
SHE SAID NOTHING ABOUT IT DURING
THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN.
80 percent OF ONTARIANS OR MORE ARE
FIRMLY AGAINST SELLING OFF OF
HYDRO ONE.
WE JUST BELIEVE IT'S THE RIGHT
THING TO DO.
HOW DO WE KEEP CONTROL OF OUR
ELECTRICITY SYSTEM IF WE FARMED
IT OFF OR SOLD IT OFF TO THE
PRIVATE SECTOR.

Steve says THEIR ARGUMENT IS IT
MAY GAIN YOU MORE CONTROL OVER
WHAT WAS ONCE A CROWN
CORPORATION BUT IT DOESN'T DO
ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO LOWER
ELECTRICITY PRICES.
IS THAT TRUE?

Andrea says ON THE CONTRARY.
EVERY CASE WHERE WE'VE SEEN
PRIVATIZATION OF THE ELECTRICITY
SYSTEM... LET'S NOT FORGET, THIS
STARTED WITH MIKE HARRIS ON THE
GENERATION SIDE WITH THE
CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT STARTED
DEREGULATING ELECTRICITY AND
PRIVATIZING THE GENERATION.
NOW WE'RE INTO THE TRANSMISSION
OF ELECTRICITY WITH THE SELL-OFF
OF HYDRO ONE.
EVERY TIME THERE'S A SELL-OFF OF
ELECTRICITY TO THE PRIVATE
SECTOR IN TERMS OF GENERATION,
TRANSMISSION, WHATEVER YOU HAVE,
PRICES GO UP.
THE COSTS GO UP.
AND THAT'S NOT JUST THE NDP
SAYING THAT.
I MEAN, THAT IS BORNE OUT IN
CLEAR STUDIES, WHETHER YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT CALIFORNIA,
WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
EVERY SINGLE TIME THERE'S A
PRIVATIZATION IN ELECTRICITY,
THE COSTS GO UP.

Steve says YOU'RE 110 percent
CONFIDENT THAT PRICES WOULD COME
DOWN IF WE, THE PROVINCE,
REACQUIRED HYDRO ONE.

Andrea says THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER
THINGS, THOUGH.
LET'S FACE IT.
WE HAVE OVER GENERATION.
WE HAVE AN OVERSUPPLY OF
ELECTRICITY WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
WHEN WE DO HAVE AN OVERSUPPLY,
WE BASICALLY GIVE THAT AWAY.
WE PAY OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO
BASICALLY TAKE IT OFF OUR HANDS
AT SOME POINTS BECAUSE IT'S SOLD
OFF ON THE SPOT MARKET.
THERE'S NO SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE
WE GET THE BEST PRICE.
WE'RE ALSO HEADING DOWN A PATH
FOR EVEN FURTHER GENERATION OF
ELECTRICITY, EVEN THOUGH WE
DON'T NEED AT THIS POINT IN
TIME.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS
TO BE DONE IN THAT SYSTEM.
WE WOULD ALSO ACTUALLY GET RID
OF MANDATORY TIME-OF-USE
PRICING.
IT HAS NOT WORKED.
IT'S PUNISHED PEOPLE FOR MAKING
DINNER AT DINNER TIME, AND IT'S
NOT SHIFTED THE LOAD OF
ELECTRICITY CONSUMPTION IN THE
MASSIVE WAY THAT THE GOVERNMENT
HAD EXPECTED.
THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE PRICES TO
GO DOWN AS WELL.
SO OUR PLAN IS ABOUT A MINIMUM
OF ABOUT 30 percent REDUCTION IN COSTS
WE WILL SEE, BUT WE WILL ALSO,
OVER THE LONG TERM, NOT HAVE THE
SPIKES BASED ON THE
PRIVATIZATION OF HYDRO ONE THAT
WE WILL SEE WITH THIS SCHEME
THAT THE LIBERALS HAVE PUT IN PLACE.

Steve says WE'VE GOT ABOUT A
MINUTE LEFT HERE AND I WANT TO
ASK YOU THIS: THE NDP IN THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO HAS NOT WON
AN ELECTION SINCE 1990.
THAT'S 27 YEARS NOW.
AND I WANT TO KNOW, AS YOU
TRAVEL THE PROVINCE AND YOU LOOK
AROUND, WHAT'S OUT THERE IN
TERMS OF EVIDENCE THAT LEADS YOU
TO BELIEVE THAT FOR THE FIRST
TIME IN MORE THAN A QUARTER OF A
CENTURY, THE PUBLIC IS WILLING
TO ENTERTAIN THE NOTION THAT YOU
GUYS ARE AN OPTION?

The caption changes to "Are we ready for the NDP?"

Andrea says WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MATTER
OF JUST WATCH US.
I MEAN, LOOK, WE BELIEVE THAT WE
WILL BE A SERIOUS CHOICE FOR
PEOPLE IN THE NEXT CAMPAIGN.
FOLKS ARE VERY UNHAPPY WITH THE
LIBERAL GOVERNMENT.
AS YOU SEE, KATHLEEN WYNNE IS,
YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE ONE KIND
OF PREMIER BEFORE SHE GETS
ELECTED AND ANOTHER KIND OF
PREMIER AFTER SHE GETS ELECTED.
WITH US, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS
THAT WE BELIEVE IN ARE THINGS
THAT WE BELIEVE IN BEFORE AN
ELECTION AND AFTER AN ELECTION.
THEY'RE NOT THINGS THAT CHANGE
JUST BECAUSE AN ELECTION IS
TAKING PLACE.
WHETHER THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF
OUR CROWN CORPORATIONS AND THE
VALUE THEY HAVE TO OUR PUBLIC,
WHETHER THAT'S MAKING SURE THAT
WE HAVE A PHARMACARE PLAN,
WHETHER THAT'S A 15 dollar MINIMUM
WAGE... ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE
IN OUR DNA.
BEFORE ELECTIONS AND AFTER
ELECTIONS.
WE DON'T CHANGE OUR MIND ON
THESE THINGS JUST BECAUSE WE
HAPPEN TO BE FALLING IN THE
POLLS OR WE SEE AN ELECTION
COMING IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH
KATHLEEN WYNNE AND THE LIBERALS.
SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE
IDEAS THAT MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR
PEOPLE, THAT REALLY FOCUS ON THE
ISSUES THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT.
PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENT
SHOULD BE ON THEIR SIDE ALL THE
TIME, NOT JUST BEFORE AN
ELECTION OR NOT JUST WHEN YOU'RE
DIVING IN THE POLLS.
AND WE THINK THAT WE HAVE A
NUMBER OF IDEAS THAT WILL MAKE
LIFE BETTER FOR FOLKS, THAT WILL
TURN GOVERNMENT BACK INTO AN
AGENT FOR CHANGE FOR PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE
ABOUT MAKING LIFE BETTER FOR
PEOPLE ALL THE TIME.
NOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING
THINGS GOOD FOR YOUR FRIENDS AT
THE TOP OR YOUR WELL-CONNECTED
PARTY MEMBERS AND, YOU KNOW, TOP
FOLKS ON BAY STREET, IT SHOULD
BE ABOUT EVERYONE, AND THAT'S
NOT WHAT WE'VE SEEN HERE.
WE'VE SEEN FOR 14 YEARS A
GOVERNMENT THAT'S DONE VERY,
VERY WELL BY THEIR FRIENDS IN
HIGH PLACES.
BUT EVERYBODY ELSE IS PAYING THE PRICE.

Steve says THAT'S ANDREA HORWATH,
LEADER OF THE ONTARIO NDP.
WE'RE GRATEFUL YOU CAME IN TO
TVO TONIGHT...

The caption changes to "Producer: Steve Paikin, @spaikin."

Andrea says I CAN'T
BELIEVE IT'S OVER ALREADY.

Steve says WE'LL SEE YOU IN
THAT CHAIR BEFORE LONG BECAUSE
THE CAMPAIGN IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY.

Andrea says THANKS, STEVE.

Steve says THANK YOU.

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