Transcript: Talking Trumpets | Dec 22, 2016

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, checkered white shirt, and purple tie.

A caption on screen reads "Trumpeting to her own sound. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says WHEN YOU THINK OF THE
GREAT TRUMPETERS THROUGHOUT
HISTORY, WHO COMES TO MIND:
LOUIS ARMSTRONG?
DIZZY GILLESPIE?
WYNTON MARSALIS?
MILES DAVIS?
CLARK TERRY?
HERB ALPERT?
ACTUALLY, IF YOU GO ONLINE AND
GOOGLE "TOP 50 TRUMPETERS OF ALL
TIME," YOU'LL FIND THAT 48 OF
THEM ARE MEN.
WOMEN AND THE TRUMPET, IT SEEMS,
JUST HASN'T BEEN A THING.
AND THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE
REASONS WE WANTED TO HAVE
LINA ALLEMANO JOIN US TONIGHT.
SHE'S ORIGINALLY FROM EDMONTON,
BUT HAS SPENT MORE THAN TWO
DECADES BASED IN TORONTO AND HAS
TRAVELED ALL OVER THE WORLD
PLAYING THE TRUMPET.
AND LINA ALLEMANO JOINS US NOW.


Steve continues IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

Lina says NICE TO SEE
YOU TOO, STEVE.

Steve says LET'S JUST TELL A
BIT OF YOUR STORY BEFORE WE GET
INTO SOME OF THE MORE POLITICAL
ANGLES AROUND WHAT YOU DO.

Lina says OKAY.

Steve says DO YOU RECALL WHEN
YOUR INTEREST IN MUSIC BEGAN AT
THE VERY BEGINNING?

Lina says YES.
I STARTED PLAYING PIANO WHEN I
WAS 4.

Steve says DO YOU KNOW WHY?

The caption changes to "Lina Allemano. Trumpeter."
Then, it changes again to "Finding the beat."

Lina says I THINK MY
PARENTS THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD
IDEA.
I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER
WHEN I WAS 4, EXACTLY.
BUT I REMEMBER ENJOYING HAVING
THE LESSONS AND I STILL HAVE
VERY FOND MEMORIES OF THE FIRST
LESSONS I HAD.

Steve says HOW DID YOU MOVE
FROM PIANO TO TRUMPET?

Lina says SO WHEN I
WAS 10, YOU KNOW, MY PARENTS
WANTED ME TO PLAY AN INSTRUMENT.
BUT BY THE TIME I WAS 10, I
WASN'T SURE... I HAD A NEW
TEACHER, PIANO TEACHER, AND I
JUST... IT JUST WASN'T REALLY
GRABBING ME AND I DIDN'T WANT TO
CONTINUE AND I WAS COMPLAINING A LOT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO PRACTISE.
SO MY DAD SAID, OKAY.
YOU CAN QUIT THE PIANO BUT YOU
HAVE TO PICK SOMETHING ELSE AND
YOU HAVE TO PRACTISE ON
SOMETHING.
SO PICK WHATEVER YOU WANT.
AND I HAVE AN OLDER BROTHER AND
HE WAS PLAYING TRUMPET ALREADY
AND I THOUGHT, WELL, I LIKE MY
BROTHER, HE'S PRETTY COOL, AND I
WANT TO BE JUST LIKE HIM.
SO I JUST PICKED UP THE TRUMPET
AND THAT WAS IT.

Steve says DID ANYBODY SAY TO
YOU AROUND THAT TIME, GIRLS
DON'T PLAY THE TRUMPET?

Lina says NO.
NOBODY EVER SAID THAT TO ME.
YEAH.
YEAH, IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME
THAT IT WAS UNUSUAL.

Steve says IT SEEMS TO HAVE
OCCURRED TO THE REST OF THE
MUSICAL WORLD, THOUGH.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?

Lina says I GUESS SO.
I MEAN, WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, I
WAS PRETTY... WHAT'S THE WORD?
I WAS IN A NICE, COMFORTABLE
BUBBLE, MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS,
AND EDMONTON IS A FAIRLY SMALL
CITY, AND NOBODY POINTED OUT MY
GENDER EVER.
IT WAS JUST HERE'S A GREAT
TRUMPET PLAYER OR WHATEVER, UP
AND COMING TRUMPET PLAYER.
NOBODY MADE A POINT OF MY GENDER
I THINK UNTIL I CAME TO TORONTO
AND PEOPLE STARTED TO POINT IT
OUT.
I WAS 20 AND... I DON'T
UNDERSTAND.
I'M A TRUMPET PLAYER.
WHAT'S IT GOT TO DO WITH MY
GENDER?

Steve says WHAT KIND OF
COMMENTS WOULD YOU HEAR HERE IN
TORONTO?

Lina says LIKE, OH,
I'VE NEVER SEEN A WOMAN PLAYING
THE TRUMPET OR I DIDN'T KNOW
WOMEN PLAYED THE TRUMPET OR
YOU'RE SO SMALL, YOU KNOW, AND
CUTE, HOW DO YOU PLAY THE
TRUMPET LIKE THAT?
I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST DO IT.

Steve says THERE'S NO APPARENT
PHYSIOLOGICAL REASON WHY WOMEN
OUGHT NOT TO PLAY THE TRUMPET.

Lina says THAT'S
RIGHT.

Steve says AND YET I MENTIONED
THE TOP 50 OF ALL TIME AND IF
YOU LOOK AROUND AT SYMPHONY
ORCHESTRAS AND JAZZ CLUBS AND
WHATEVER, YOU'D HAVE TO
ACKNOWLEDGE, YOU'RE LESS THAN
50 percent.
YOU'RE LESS THAN 10 percent.

The caption changes to "So few women."

Lina says THAT'S TRUE.
BUT THERE IS SOME GOOD NEWS.
THERE'S MORE AND MORE YOUNG
WOMEN PLAYING THE TRUMPET.
THAT'S CLEAR TO ME.
BUT I THINK THE BAD NEWS IS THAT
THERE'S REALLY NOT TOO MANY GIGS
ANYMORE FOR ANYBODY, FOR ANY
TRUMPET PLAYERS.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S GOING TO
REALLY CHANGE THAT MUCH JUST
BECAUSE... I'M SURE THERE'S MORE
YOUNG WOMEN PLAYING THE TRUMPET
NOW, BUT THERE'S LESS PLACES TO
PLAY SO...

Steve says AT WHAT POINT IN
YOUR LIFE DID YOU SAY, I'M
REALLY LOVING THIS.
THIS IS HOW I WANT TO MAKE MY
LIVING?

Lina says IT'S CRAZY
TO ADMIT THIS, BUT PRETTY MUCH
RIGHT AWAY.
SO I STARTED WHEN I WAS 10
PLAYING TRUMPET, AND I HAD... MY
TEACHER WAS IN THE EDMONTON
SYMPHONY AND HE GOT ME INVOLVED
IN THIS COMPETITION.
SO WHEN I WAS 12 I WON A
CONCERTO COMPETITION.
SO I HAD ONLY BEEN PLAYING FOR
TWO YEARS AND IT WAS OPEN TO
AGES... I CAN'T REMEMBER.
IT WAS OPEN UP TO 17 OR 19 YEARS
OLD OR SOMETHING.
SOMEHOW I WON THIS COMPETITION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW.
BUT THE PRIZE WAS TO PLAY WITH
THE EDMONTON SYMPHONY.
SO I GOT UP AND I PLAYED SOLO
TRUMPET AS A LITTLE 12-YEAR-OLD
KID.

Steve says UNBELIEVABLE.

Lina says AND I THINK
AFTER THAT, I JUST THOUGHT,
WELL, THIS SEEMS FUN.
I LIKE THIS.
SO I'LL JUST DO IT.

Steve says BUT YOU DID NOT... I
MEAN, AT SOME POINT YOU MADE A
DECISION NOT TO GO SORT OF
CLASSIC SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA.

Lina says RIGHT.

Steve says NOT TO GO EVEN
CLASSIC JAZZ.

Lina says RIGHT.

Steve says YOU DO, I DON'T KNOW
HOW TO DESCRIBE IT OTHER THAN
IMPROVISATIONAL, AVANT-GARDE,
FREESTYLE, THAT SORT OF THING.
HOW DID YOU GO FROM WHERE YOU
STARTED TO THAT?

Lina says IT WAS
DEFINITELY A PROCESS THAT JUST
SORT OF EVOLVED SLOWLY.
I KIND OF WENT THROUGH, YEAH,
MANY DIFFERENT PHASES.
I THINK WHAT'S REALLY BEEN QUITE
A RICH EXPERIENCE FOR ME IS THAT
I'VE HAD ALL THESE DIFFERENT
EXPERIENCES AND I CAN STILL DO
ALL THESE THINGS, I CAN STILL
PLAY CLASSICAL TRUMPET.
I'M GOING TO BE PLAYING IN A
CHURCH WITH A PIPE ORGAN FOR
CHRISTMAS, PLAYING TRUMPET
THINGS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I ALSO DO
THIS EXPERIMENTAL EXTENDED
TECHNIQUE ON THE TRUMPET AND I
PLAY STRAIGHT-AHEAD JAZZ.
I CAN PLAY ALL THESE THINGS.
I THINK I'M QUITE LUCKY I'VE HAD
THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW AND TO
DEVELOP... YEAH, IT'S PRETTY
FANTASTIC.

Steve says I DON'T WANT TO
PUT... I CAN SEE THAT IT'S FUN.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN
YOUR MOUTH.
DO YOU TAKE THE POSITION THAT,
YOU KNOW, PLAYING THE SAME OLD
STANDARDS, THE SAME OLD WAYS, IS
A LITTLE TOO DULL AND THAT'S
WHAT'S TAKEN YOU OFF INTO THE
MORE AVANT-GARDE?

Lina says I GUESS YOU
COULD SAY THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW
IF I'D GO THAT FAR BECAUSE I
STILL REALLY LIKE TO PLAY
STANDARDS.
BUT, YES, I DON'T THINK I WAS
CONTENT... I'VE NEVER BEEN
CONTENT TO JUST STAY IN ONE
PLACE, SO I KIND OF LIKE
SOMETHING FOR A WHILE AND THEN,
YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY INTERESTED,
AND I WANT TRY SOMETHING NEW, I
WANT TO DEVELOP, I WANT TO PUSH
MYSELF, I WANT A CHALLENGE.
IT'S NOT THAT I LEAVE THINGS
BEHIND COMPLETELY, BECAUSE I
STILL LOVE ALL THESE KINDS OF
MUSIC.

Steve says WHO IS YOUR
FAVOURITE TRUMPETER OF ALL TIME?

Lina says OH.
THAT ONE IS HARD... SOMEBODY
ASKED ME THE OTHER DAY AND I
JOKED AND I SAID "ME!"

Steve says GOOD FOR YOU.

Lina says OBVIOUSLY
I'M JUST BEING SILLY BUT...
I MEAN, I HAVE SO MANY
FAVOURITES, IT'S HARD TO...

Steve says TAKE ONE... I MEAN,
I GET THE SAME THING WHEN PEOPLE
SAY WHAT'S YOUR FAVOURITE
SINATRA SONG.
WHERE DO YOU START?
LET'S SAY FROM 50 YEARS AGO.
SO LET'S NARROW IT DOWN.
FAVOURITE TRUMPETER FROM 50
YEARS AGO?

Lina says YEAH.
MILES DAVIS WAS ALWAYS A BIG
THING FOR ME.
AND ALSO BECAUSE HE DID ALSO
EVOLVE AND, YOU KNOW, HE WAS
ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW THINGS,
NEW BANDS, NEW WAYS OF PLAYING
MUSIC, AND SO I ALWAYS FOUND
THAT REALLY INSPIRING AND JUST
THAT HIS SOUND IS SO UNIQUE AND
HE'S JUST INCREDIBLE.

Steve says YOU PUT IT ON, YOU
KNOW IT'S HIM.

Lina says EXACTLY.

Steve says YOU REALLY DO.
THIS IS NOT YOUR FIRST TIME
HERE.
DO YOU KNOW THAT?

Lina says YEAH.

Steve says YOU DO KNOW YOU'VE
BEEN HERE BEFORE.

Lina says I DO HAVE A
VAGUE MEMORY OF THIS, YES.
I PLAYED ON YOUR SHOW, MM-HMM.

Steve says DO YOU WANT TO SEE
WHAT YOU LOOKED LIKE 22 YEARS
AGO?

Lina says I DON'T
KNOW.
NOT REALLY.

Steve says I THINK YOU MIGHT.
IT MIGHT BE FUN.

Lina says I THINK I
HAVE THE SAME HAIR, MAYBE.
I DON'T KNOW.
IN BETWEEN I HAD SOME OTHER HAIR
BUT...

Steve says HERE IS LINA
ALLEMANO ON A PREVIOUS PROGRAM
WE DID HERE CALLED STUDIO 2, 22
YEARS AGO.
ROLL IT.

A clip plays on screen with the caption "Lina Allemano. September 7, 2004."
In the clip, Lina plays the trumpet in the Studio 2 studio.
She plays with a jazz band consisting of a double bass, a guitar, and drums.

(Music)
(Jazzy beat)

The clip ends.

Steve says YOU ARE WAY BETTER
IN THAT CLIP THAN MY MATH IS,
BECAUSE YOU WERE ACTUALLY HERE
TWICE.
YOU WERE HERE 22 YEARS AGO.
THAT ONE IS ONLY FROM 2004.

Lina says RIGHT, OKAY.

Steve says HAVING SAID THAT,
LET'S DO THE REVIEW.
HOW IS THAT TRUMPET PLAYER
DIFFERENT FROM THE TRUMPET
PLAYER SITTING IN THE STUDIO
TODAY?

Lina says MM.
WELL, THAT WAS REALLY
INTERESTING TO SEE BECAUSE THAT
WAS ONE OF MY FIRST BANDS.
THAT BAND'S NOT AROUND ANYMORE.

Steve says WAS THAT THE LINA...

Lina says IT WAS.
IT CHANGED PERSONNEL SHORTLY
AFTER THAT.
IT'S A BIT OF A DIFFERENT BAND
NOW.
SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT?
WELL, I GUESS... YEAH, MY
COMPOSITIONAL STYLE HAS EVOLVED
A LOT FROM THAT PERIOD AND I'M
NOT REALLY PLAYING THINGS THAT
YOU CAN TAP YOUR FOOT TO
ANYMORE.
IT'S MORE ABSTRACT WHAT I'M
DOING NOW.

Steve says ARE YOU BETTER TODAY
THAN YOU WERE 12 YEARS AGO?

Lina says BETTER?
WELL, I HOPE SO.

Steve says HOW WOULD YOU JUDGE
THAT?

Lina says SORRY?

Steve says HOW WOULD YOU JUDGE
WHETHER YOU'RE BETTER?
BY WHAT CRITERIA ARE YOU BETTER?

Lina says HMM.
WELL, I GUESS... WHAT DOES
"BETTER" MEAN?
I'M A BETTER TRUMPET PLAYER IN
SOME WAYS.
I THINK JUST, YOU KNOW, ADD ON
THOSE MANY MORE YEARS OF
EXPERIENCE AND I'VE HAD MORE
LESSONS WITH MASTER TEACHERS ALL
OVER THE WORLD.

Steve says I DID WANT TO PICK
UP ON THAT.
CAN I PICK UP ON THAT?

Lina says YEAH.
GOOD.
BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO TALK
ABOUT THAT.

Steve says I NOTICED YOU JUST
HAVE TAKEN LESSONS IN BERLIN AND
WITH ANOTHER MASTER IN NEW YORK,
AND OF COURSE... I MEAN, I DON'T
KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT THIS STUFF.
I WOULD ASSUME YOU KNOW
EVERYTHING YOU ALREADY NEED TO
KNOW TO BE A GREAT PROFESSIONAL
TRUMPET PLAYER.
AND THE NOTION THAT YOU AT THIS
STAGE OF YOUR LIFE ARE TAKING
LESSONS I FOUND ODD AND
INTERESTING.
SO WHY DO YOU?

The caption changes to "Seeing the world."

Lina says WELL, I
THINK JUST BECAUSE... YOU KNOW,
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I'M
REALLY... I'M NEVER REALLY
SATISFIED TO JUST GO, OKAY, I'VE
GOT WHAT I NEED.
I CAN DO THESE GIGS AND, YOU
KNOW, I'M DONE.
I'M ALWAYS LOOKING TO IMPROVE
AND I'M EXCITED BY ADVENTURE, I
GUESS, MUSICAL ADVENTURES AND
OTHER KINDS OF ADVENTURES.
SO THE GUY I WAS JUST STUDYING
WITH IN BERLIN, HE'S DOING ALL
EXTENDED TECHNIQUES AND HE'S
PLAYING THE TRUMPET IN A WAY YOU
WOULDN'T NECESSARILY RECOGNIZE
AS A TRUMPET.
I THOUGHT IT WAS FASCINATING.
I NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS.
I NEVER THOUGHT OF MAKING THESE
KINDS OF SOUNDS ON THE TRUMPET
AND IT'S VERY EXPRESSIVE.
IT JUST SORT OF OPENED UP A
WHOLE OTHER AREA OF EXPRESSION,
I GUESS, ON THE INSTRUMENT.

Steve says DO MOST PROFESSIONAL
PLAYERS THAT YOU KNOW STILL TAKE
LESSONS THIS FAR INTO THEIR
CAREERS?

Lina says I DON'T
KNOW.
MAYBE NOT?

Steve says WHICH IS WHY I
THOUGHT IT WAS NEAT THAT YOU
DID.

Lina says RIGHT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER
THING IS IT DOES BECOME, LIKE,
WITH THIS GUY, HE'S 10 YEARS
OLDER THAN ME SO HE HAS 10 MORE
YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT THE
LESSONS DID SORT OF EVOLVE INTO
A MORE COLLABORATIVE KIND OF
THING, WHICH WAS ALSO GREAT.
YOU KNOW, AFTER I HAD SORT OF...
I WAS DONE PICKING HIS BRAIN FOR
MANY HOURS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER,
LESSON AFTER LESSON, HE WAS SORT
OF LIKE, WHY DON'T WE JUST PLAY
AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT...
WE STARTED TO RECORD TOGETHER.
NOW WE'RE RECORDING
IMPROVISATIONS AND WE ANALYSE IT
AND TALK ABOUT IT AFTER BUT IT
FEELS MORE LIKE A COLLABORATION
THAN LESSONS PER SE.
BUT I'M DEFINITELY LEARNING A
LOT.

Steve says IF THEY'RE LESSONS,
DO YOU HAVE TO PAY HIM FOR THE
LESSONS?

Lina says WELL, YEAH,
THAT'S PART OF THE DEAL.
SURE.

Steve says EVEN WHEN YOU'RE
SORT OF COLLABORATING.

Lina says YEAH.
I MEAN, I FEEL BETTER ABOUT
THAT.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE
I'M COLLABORATING WITH WHERE
IT'S... YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE OF A
PROFESSIONAL KIND OF SITUATION,
DOING GIGS TOGETHER AND THINGS
LIKE THAT.
SO IF WE EVER GET TO THE POINT
WITH MY TRUMPET TEACHER, IF WE
GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE
JUST DOING GIGS TOGETHER AND
MAKING A RECORD OR SOMETHING, I
GUESS, YOU KNOW, IT'LL... I
WON'T PAY HIM.
I DON'T KNOW.
WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
I DON'T KNOW.

Steve says AGAIN, THIS IS JUST
DIFFERENT, WHICH IS WHY I'VE
RAISED IT.

Lina says RIGHT.

Steve says YOU JUST FINISHED A
TOUR.
YOU'VE BEEN TO GERMANY,
SWITZERLAND, DENMARK, YOU WENT
TO AUSTRIA.
WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT TOURING?

Lina says OH, WHAT'S
THERE NOT TO LIKE?
I MEAN, IT'S EXHAUSTING.

Steve says IT'S EXHAUSTING.
YOU'RE AWAY FROM HOME.
YOU'RE LIVING OUT OF A SUITCASE
FOR A LONG TIME.

Lina says WELL, THAT
PART'S NOT NEW FOR ME.
I'VE BEEN LIVING OUT OF A
SUITCASE FOR A LONG TIME.
I'VE JUST SPENT 7 MONTHS LIVING
OUT OF A SUITCASE.

Steve says HOW COME?

Lina says WELL, I WAS
IN BERLIN FOR QUITE A WHILE, AND
THEN TOURING AND... SO YOU JUST
REALLY NEVER GET A CHANCE TO
UNPACK.

Steve says YOU DON'T MIND THAT?

Lina says WELL, I JUST
GOT HOME A FEW DAYS AGO FROM
THIS, AND I'M VERY RELIEVED, I
HAVE TO ADMIT.
SO IT'S NOT THAT I DIDN'T ENJOY
IT.
OH, WOW, IT'S NICE... OKAY, I'LL
UNPACK.
WOW, THAT'S A NEW IDEA, A NOVEL
IDEA.

Steve says WHAT'S IT LIKE TO
SLEEP IN YOUR OWN BED FOR THE
FIRST TIME IN SEVEN MONTHS?

Lina says WELL, IT'S A
LITTLE CONFUSING.
ACTUALLY I'M GETTING THE HANG OF
IT.
I WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND I
DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM.
HMM, THIS SEEMS FAMILIAR, BUT
WHERE AM I?

Steve says ARE YOU ON EASTERN
TIME YET?

Lina says GETTING
THERE.

Steve says NOT QUITE THERE.
LINA, THIS WILL BE A REALLY
INAPPROPRIATE PERSONAL QUESTION
WHICH IS OF COURSE WHY I WANT TO
ASK IT, BUT HOW MUCH OF A LIVING
CAN YOU MAKE DOING WHAT YOU DO?

Lina says HMM, YEAH.
THAT'S ALWAYS... WELL, IT'S A
HARD ONE TO ANSWER.
WELL, IT'S NOT HARD TO ANSWER
BUT... HOW MUCH OF A LOVING?
A VERY MEAGRE LIVING.
YEAH, IT'S DIFFICULT.

Steve says DO YOU WANT TO SAY A
NUMBER OR YOU DON'T?

Lina says NO.

Steve says YOU'D RATHER NOT?

Lina says I'D RATHER
NOT.
I MEAN, I THINK PEOPLE LIKE
ME... I DON'T KNOW, LIKE ME?
I'LL JUST TELL YOU MY STORY.

Steve says SURE.

Lina says I MADE SOME
CHOICES AND I CHOSE TO BE AN
ARTIST.
I CHOSE TO NOT MAKE MONEY A
PRIORITY AT ALL.
I DON'T HAVE A FAMILY, YOU KNOW,
I HAVE NO KIDS.
I CAN'T POSSIBLY OWN A HOUSE.
I CAN'T OWN A CAR.
I CAN'T... I DON'T OWN ANYTHING.
BUT IT WASN'T PART OF MY PLAN.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE I SAID, OH, I'M
GIVING UP ALL THESE THINGS SO
THAT I CAN DO MY WORK.
I JUST WANT TO DO MY WORK AND...
SO IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE...

Steve says SACRIFICE?

Lina says YEAH, RIGHT.
IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A
SACRIFICE.
BUT I GUESS IT IS, IN A WAY.

Steve says WELL, IT'S A
SACRIFICE OF SOME THINGS BUT THE
COMPENSATION FOR IT IS THAT
YOU'RE ONE OF THE VERY BEST AT
WHAT YOU DO?

Lina says WELL, I
DON'T KNOW.
I'M DEFINITELY ENJOYING IT.
I HOPE I'M GOOD AT IT.
BUT, YEAH, OF COURSE IT'S A
CHOICE, AND IT'S ALSO A LUXURY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THIS
LUXURY TO LIVE IN THIS WAY.

Steve says TO LIVE IN A
BOHEMIAN WAY ON VERY LITTLE
MONEY.

Lina says THAT'S
RIGHT.
IT'S NOT GLAMOROUS.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE
THAT IT'S ACTUALLY... IT'S A
STRUGGLE, OF COURSE.
ESPECIALLY NOW.
I THINK WE'RE IN THIS REALLY
DIFFICULT PERIOD WHERE IT'S
ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE MONEY
PLAYING MUSIC.
YOU CAN'T SELL RECORDS ANYMORE.
YOU CAN'T... YOU KNOW, THERE'S
NO WAY TO...

Steve says YOU'VE GOT TO DO
SHOWS.

Lina says YOU'VE GOT
TO DO SHOWS.
EVEN THEN IT'S DIFFICULT.
PEOPLE... LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LOT
OF PEOPLE DON'T GO OUT TO SEE
LIVE MUSIC ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY
CAN JUST SIT AT HOME IN THEIR
COMFORTABLE PLACE AND THEY'VE
GOT A NICE SCREEN AND THERE'S
YouTube... I MEAN, WHO NEEDS TO
SEE REAL PEOPLE DOING REAL
THINGS?

Steve says WELL, WE DO.
THE SHORT ANSWER IS, OF COURSE
WE DO.

Lina says I HOPE SO.

Steve says DO YOU THINK ABOUT A
FUTURE WHERE SORT OF WALKING
HOME TO YOUR HOTEL AT 3:00 IN
THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, IN BERLIN
OR COPENHAGEN IS GOING TO HAVE
KIND OF LESS APPEAL FOR YOU?

Lina says I DON'T
KNOW.
I MEAN, I GUESS I'VE NOTICED
ALREADY IT'S BECOMING PHYSICALLY
MORE CHALLENGING TO DO THIS KIND
OF THING, WITH NOT SLEEPING AS
WELL AS YOU WANT AND NOT GETTING
TO EAT THE WAY YOU WANT TO, YOU
KNOW, YOU CAN'T EXERCISE AS MUCH
WHEN YOU'RE ON THE ROAD.
BUT I THINK THE THING IS FOR US
TO DO OUR WORK, WHICH IS PLAYING
MUSIC AND THIS PARTICULAR KIND
OF MUSIC, WE HAVE TO TRAVEL.
BECAUSE IF I JUST STAY IN
TORONTO, I CAN'T PERFORM.
THERE'S A VERY SMALL AUDIENCE
AND IT'S THE SAME FEW PEOPLE.
SO I HAVE TO.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH OF A
CHOICE.

Steve says LINA, IT'S REALLY
GOOD OF YOU TO COME INTO TVO
AGAIN FOR YOUR THIRD TIME.
MAYBE NEXT TIME WE DO IT, BRING
THE TRUMPET.

Lina says NO PROBLEM.

The caption changes to "Steve Paikin, @spaikin."

Steve says THAT WAS GREAT.
LOVELY TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

Lina says THANKS SO
MUCH.

Steve says LINA ALLEMANO,
TRUMPETER EXTRAORDINAIRE.

Lina says OH.

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