Transcript: Women in Politics | Dec 06, 2016

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, blue shirt, and spotted blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "Women in politics, part 10. @spaikin, @theagenda"
A wall screen behind Steve shows an image of pink female figures holding hands as if made of cut paper.

Steve says POLITICIANS GET LITTLE
SYMPATHY FROM THE PUBLIC FOR THE
FLACK AND DERISION THEY
ENCOUNTER AS PART OF THEIR DAILY
GRIND.
WE FIGURE IT COMES WITH THE
TERRITORY.
BUT NOT ALL OF IT IS FAIR, AND
THAT'S ESPECIALLY TRUE WHEN THE
POLITICIAN IN QUESTION GETS THE
GEARS - OR MUCH WORSE - BECAUSE
SHE'S A WOMAN.
JOINING US NOW FOR THEIR TAKE ON
SEXISM AND ELECTIVE OFFICE:
OLIVIA CHOW, FORMER MEMBER OF
PARLIAMENT, AND TORONTO MAYORAL CANDIDATE 2014...

Olivia is in her fifties, with black hair in a short bob. She's wearing a round-necked gray blazer and a thin gold necklace.

Steve continues JANET ECKER, FORMER MEMBER OF
PROVINCIAL PARLIAMENT, WHOSE
CABINET POSTS INCLUDED FINANCE AND EDUCATION...

Janet is in her mid-fifties, with short blond hair and bangs. She's wearing glasses, a pale blue blazer, and a black turtleneck.

Steve continues AND KAREN STINTZ, FORMER TORONTO
CITY COUNCILLOR AND CHAIR OF THE
TORONTO TRANSIT COMMISSION, AND
ALSO A ONE-TIME CANDIDATE FOR
MAYOR IN ONTARIO'S CAPITAL CITY...

Karen is in her late forties, with chin-length wavy blond hair. She's wearing a gray tweed blazer over a spotted shirt.

Steve continues LOVELY TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE AT
THE FEDERAL, PROVINCIAL, AND
MUNICIPAL LEVELS OF EXPERIENCE,
WE HAVE IT ALL COVERED, AND I
WANT TO START IN A BIT OF AN ODD
SPOT.
OKAY, OLIVIA CHOW, YOU FIRST.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU WERE
THINKING ON NOVEMBER 8TH, 2016,
AS YOU WATCHED THE RETURNS COME
IN FROM SOUTH OF THE BORDER?

Olivia lets out a comical shriek.

Steve says THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE
THINKING.

Olivia says SORRY, I KNOW
I SHOULD VERBALIZE SOMEWHAT...

Steve says DO YOU WANT TO
AMPLIFY ON THAT AT ALL?

The caption changes to "Olivia Chow. Former MP."
Then, it changes again to "After Hillary."

Olivia says IT WAS A
SCREAM.
I ACTUALLY LOST A BIG BET
BECAUSE I KEPT FAITH.
I BELIEVED IN THE POLL NUMBERS.
SO WHEN FLORIDA WENT DOWN, SO
OHIO.
OHIO WENT DOWN.
I THOUGHT MICHIGAN, MICHIGAN.
C'MON, MICHIGAN, YOU CAN DO IT.
SO I STAYED UP LATE AND THEN...

Steve says DID YOU STAY UP
RIGHT TO THE END.

Olivia says I DID.

Steve says 3:00 IN THE MORNING?

Olivia says THE BITTER
END.
AND THE NEXT MORNING I HAD A
HUGE HANGOVER, NOT BECAUSE OF
ALCOHOL, I WORE BLACK FOR
SEVERAL DAYS IN A ROW.

Steve says BECAUSE HILLARY
LOST.

Olivia says BECAUSE
HILLARY LOST.

Steve says WHAT DID YOU THINK
ABOUT THE FACT THAT HILLARY
CLINTON LOST?

The caption changes to "Janet Ecker. Former MPP."

Janet says I THINK THE
ENGLISH LANGUAGE RAN OUT OF
WORDS TO DESCRIBE WHAT EVERYBODY
THOUGHT THAT NIGHT.

Steve says AND YOU'RE A
CONSERVATIVE AND YOU DIDN'T LIKE
THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE
WINNING.

Janet says I THOUGHT BOTH
CANDIDATES WERE SO FLAWED.
HILLARY, I HAVE GREAT ADMIRATION
AND RESPECT FOR A LOT OF WHAT
SHE HAD DONE, I PROBABLY WOULD
HAVE VOTED FOR HER IF I HAD BEEN
THERE.
CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED
FOR TRUMP.
IT IS APPALLING.
IT IS OF CONCERN TO... I MEAN,
WHEN A POLITICIAN OPENS UP THAT
PANDORA'S BOX THAT HE HAS DONE,
NOT JUST ON MALE-FEMALE BUT ON
EVERY ISSUE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT
TO PUT IT BACK IN.
AND I REALLY WORRY ABOUT THE
UNITED STATES.
I WORRY ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS FOR
POLITICS AROUND THE WORLD AND
DEMOCRACIES.

Steve says DID YOU WATCH?

The caption changes to "Karen Stintz. Former Toronto City Councillor."

Karen says I DID.
ALTHOUGH I WON THAT NIGHT.

Steve says YOU BET ON TRUMP?

Karen says I DID IT.
MIND YOU, I DID IT IN MAY.
EVEN BY AUGUST... I MIGHT HAVE
WON MY BET.
WE HAD AN ADMINISTRATION THAT
WAS SOMEWHAT CHALLENGED AND
TROUBLED...

Steve says WHAT WOULD THAT BE A
REFERENCE TO?

Karen says THE FORD YEARS.
I SAW PEOPLE, WHEN THEY MADE
THEIR DECISION TO VOTE FOR ROB,
IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT THE MEDIA
SAID, IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT HE
SAID.
IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT THE BELIEF
AROUND HIM WAS, PEOPLE WERE
COMMITTED AND LOYAL TO ROB FORD.
AND IN DONALD TRUMP, THE SAME
THING HAPPENED.
PEOPLE DECIDED THEY WERE GOING
TO VOTE FOR CHANGE, AND
EVERYTHING THAT GOT PILED ONTO
DONALD TRUMP JUST BECAME NOISE
BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY DECIDED
THEY DIDN'T WANT 8 MORE YEARS OF
WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS AND... I
HAVE FAMILY DOWN IN BALTIMORE
THAT HAD VOTED FOR OBAMA ON TWO
OCCASIONS AND JUST SAID, LIKE,
WE COULDN'T HAVE 8 MORE YEARS.

Steve says SO YOUR OBAMA-VOTING
FAMILY VOTED TRUMP?

Karen says THEY VOTED TRUMP.
THEY TUNED OUT.
BECAUSE THE ESTABLISHMENT THEN
BECAME THE MEDIA AND THEY WERE
VOTING AGAINST THE ESTABLISHMENT
AND THAT INCLUDED THE POLL
NUMBERS... THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS, HE
WON'T REALLY BE THAT OUTRAGEOUS
WHEN HE GETS IN.

Steve says WHICH HAS ACTUALLY
COME TO PASS.
SORT OF.

Janet says THE JURY'S OUT.

Karen says HE'S ERRATIC,
HE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE
ARE STILL... BUT HE KNOWS THAT.
SO HE'S GOT TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS
IF HE'S GOING TO BE TAKEN
SERIOUSLY NOW.

Steve says OLIVIA CHOW, I
WANTED TO FOLLOW UP IF YOU FELT
BAD ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE MORE
PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATE LOST OR
YOU FELT BAD ABOUT THE FACT THAT
IN YOUR LIFETIME THE POSSIBILITY
OF SEEING A WOMAN PRESIDENT NOW
WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN?

Olivia says IT WAS THE SECOND.

Steve says THE LATTER.

Olivia says BUT PARTIALLY
ALSO SHE'S PROGRESSIVE AND MUCH
MORE SO THAN DONALD TRUMP.
IT'S SO EXCITING TO IMAGINE
FINALLY HAVING A FEMALE
PRESIDENT JUST SOUTH OF OUR
BORDER.
FOR A LONG TIME, OKAY, THIS IS
GOING TO HAPPEN, THIS IS GOING
TO HAPPEN.
THE POLL NUMBERS WERE HIGH.
SO IT WAS A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT,
PARTIALLY BECAUSE IT'S TIME THAT
WE HAVE A FEMALE PRESIDENT.

Janet says SHE DIDN'T
LOSE BECAUSE SHE WAS FEMALE.

Steve says YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT?

Janet says I DON'T THINK
SO, NO.
I...

Steve says YOU THINK HER GENDER
HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HER DEFEAT?

[MIXED VOICES]

Janet says I THINK KAREN
TAPPED INTO IT.
PEOPLE WERE SO DESPERATE FOR
CHANGE THAT... AND HILLARY, YOU
KNOW, WAS JUST NOT CAPABLE OF
PORTRAYING THAT, AND THE FIRST
DEBATE SHE DID WHEN I WATCHED
IT, I MEAN, SHE DID A SUPERB JOB
IN THAT DEBATE.
SHE WAS POLISHED.
SHE WAS KNOWLEDGEABLE.
SHE WAS PROFESSIONAL.
SHE WAS EVERYTHING...

Steve says SHE WON EVERY DEBATE.

Janet says SHE WAS
SOMETHING EVERY WASHINGTON
POLITICIAN SHOULD BE WHICH IS
NOT WHAT THE VOTERS WANTED.
DID SEX PLAY A PART?
WHETHER YOU'RE MALE, WHETHER
YOU'RE FEMALE, WHETHER YOU'RE
PRETTY OR UGLY, LEFT OR RIGHT,
THAT ALWAYS PLAYS INTO THE
VOTING.
BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE
DAY, IF SHE HAD BEEN A MALE
VERSION OF HILLARY, WHATEVER
THAT WOULD BE, I THINK SHE STILL
WOULD HAVE LOST TO TRUMP.

Olivia says I DON'T AGREE.
I DON'T AGREE.
BECAUSE SHE WAS FOREVER BEING
CRITICIZED, WHETHER IT WAS A
PANTSUIT, NO PANTSUIT, YES
PANTSUIT, THIS AND THAT.
AND ALSO IN SOME WAYS SHE WASN'T
ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THE VOTERS...

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

The caption changes to "Olivia Chow, @oliviachow"

Olivia continues LET ME TELL YOU, THOUGH, TO BE A
SUCCESSFUL FEMALE, ESPECIALLY
THE TASK THAT SHE WAS DOING
BEFORE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BIG
ARMOUR TO PROTECT YOURSELF.
SO IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT, I
THINK, FOR HER TO LET GO OF THAT
ARMOUR, TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
DRIVES HER AND WHAT MOTIVATES
HER, WHAT INSPIRES HER TO... YOU
KNOW, WHAT'S DEEP DOWN?
VOTERS I DON'T THINK FELT THAT.
SHE MIGHT HAVE SAID THE WORDS...

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Janet says THERE'S NO
QUESTION, SHE COULDN'T CONNECT
ON A MAY...

Steve says YOU DON'T THINK THAT
WAS IN RELATION TO GENDER?

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

Olivia says A LOT OF THE
FEMALE STRONG POLITICIANS THEY
SURVIVE THROUGH BEING TOUGH
EMOTIONALLY AND IT'S HARD TO
CRACK IT BECAUSE ONCE YOU HAVE
TO CRACK IT, YOU BECOME
VULNERABLE.

Janet says YOU MAKE A
REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT THE
ARMOUR.
I MEAN, MALES NEED IT TOO.
THIS IS NOT A GAME FOR SISSIES,
RIGHT, IN POLITICS.
BUT YOU CAN STILL CONNECT.
I MEAN, I... I KNEW WOMEN
POLITICIANS WHO WERE VERY STEELY
AND YET WERE STILL ABLE TO
CONNECT.
I MEAN, I USED TO GET CALLED THE
IRON FIST IN THE GOLDEN GLOVE
AND VARIOUS VERSIONS SOMETIMES
AND WAS STILL ABLE TO CONNECT
WHEN YOU CAN BE STUFF WHEN YOU
HAVE TO BE STUFF.

Karen says DONALD TRUMP
TOOK DOWN THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN
PARTY, RIGHT?
HE TOOK IT DOWN.
THERE'S A LOT OF MEN IN THERE.
HE RAN AGAINST ALL THOSE
CONTENDERS AND HE WON.
HE WON THE TICKET.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SAY HE
WON BECAUSE HE WAS A MALE AND
THAT... I ABSOLUTELY AGREE, IF A
REPUBLICAN MALE HAD BEEN IN THAT
ROLE, THEY WOULD HAVE LOST.
THEY WOULD HAVE LOST.
THEY WOULD HAVE LOST IN THE
POLLING NUMBERS, BUT IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN LESS UNPREDICTABLE
BECAUSE...

Steve says YOU THINK HILLARY
CLINTON'S GENDER HAD NO ROLE IN
HER DEFEAT?

The caption changes to "Karen Stintz, @KarenStintz"

Karen says I DON'T THINK
IT HAD ANY ROLE IN HER DEFEAT.
I DON'T THINK SHE'S A GOOD
POLITICIAN.
I JUST DON'T THINK SHE'S A GOOD
POLITICIAN.
SHE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, SHE
HAS DONE REMARKABLE THINGS.
DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A GOOD
POLITICIAN EITHER BUT... BUT HE
REPRESENTED CHANGE LIKE NOBODY
ELSE COULD AND THAT'S...

Steve says CONVULSIVE CHANGE, RADICAL.

Karen says BURN DOWN THE
VILLAGE TO SAVE IT CHANGE.

Steve says I WANT TO FOCUS MORE
LASER LIKE ON THE ISSUE OF
GENDER, YOU'LL FORGIVE ME,
BECAUSE, LOOK, I SPEND A LOT OF
TIME ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE
AMOUNT OF SEXIST CRAP THAT I SAW
ON SOCIAL MEDIA AGAINST HILLARY
CLINTON THAT YOU DID NOT SEE
AGAINST DONALD TRUMP WAS
ASTONISHING, SO I WANT TO START
AND I WANT TO TAP INTO THE
EXPERIENCES THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE
HAD BECAUSE YOU'VE ALL SPENT
SOME TIME IN POLITICS AND I'M
SURE, WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TALKED
TO YOU MUCH ABOUT IT IN THE
PAST, THAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED IT.
SO, OKAY.
YOU WANT TO GO WITH THIS ONE FIRST?
BOARD ONE.
LET'S DO THIS.

A quote appears on screen, under the title "CAUGHT ON VIDEO." The quote reads "IN THE AUDIO RECORDING, FORD CAN CLEARLY BE HEARD TALKING ABOUT OPPOSING MAYORAL CANDIDATE AND ONCE POLITICAL ALLY KAREN STINTZ. 'I'd like to fucking jam her,' Ford can be heard saying."
Quoted from Daniel Dale, Toronto Star. April 30, 2014.

Steve continues YOU CAN READ THE NEXT PART
THERE.
FORD COULD CLEARLY BE HEARD SAYING.
HOW DOES ONE EVEN GO IN TO WORK
THE NEXT DAY WHEN THIS IS ALL
OVER THE NEWSPAPERS?

The caption changes to "50 percent of the population."

Karen says IT WAS AWKWARD.
IT WAS QUITE AWKWARD.
HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO SOMETHING
LIKE THAT?
HONESTLY, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW
TO DO IT.
IT WAS JUST... IT WAS
EMBARRASSING AND APPALLING AND
NOW SUDDENLY THAT BECAME THE
STORY AND EVERY TIME I WAS IN
FRONT OF THE MEDIA, WELL, HAS
ROB FORD APOLOGIZED?
WILL YOU ACCEPT HIS APOLOGY?
SUDDENLY I'M NOW WRAPPED UP INTO
THIS THING... I DON'T EVEN KNOW
HOW I BECAME PART OF THE STORY.

Steve says YOU HAD NOTHING TO
DO WITH IT, REALLY.

Karen says YEAH.
AND SO IT IS... I MEAN, THAT WAS
AN UNFORTUNATE PART OF, YOU
KNOW, BEING A WOMAN IN POLITICS
BECAUSE CERTAINLY HAD IT
HAPPENED TO A MAN, I DON'T THINK
HE WOULD HAVE SAID THAT.

Olivia says IT'S ALSO
ABOUT WHO HAS MORE POWER.
AND I DON'T THINK A FEMALE
TALKING ABOUT SEX OR WOULD HAVE
THE KIND OF HURTFUL POWER THAT
LINE HAS.
SO THE STATUS QUO, I.E. POWER,
MAN, CAN ACTUALLY HURT A WOMAN
CANDIDATE A LOT MORE USING
VARIOUS STRATEGIES, BECAUSE OF
THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE.
AND A LOT... IN TERMS OF
LANGUAGE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT
MANY TOOLS IN OUR TOOL BOX TO
INSULT PEOPLE, NOT THAT WE NEED
TO OR WANT TO.

Steve says I WAS GOING TO SAY,
I'VE NEVER HEARD A FEMALE
CANDIDATE USE A VULGAR SEXUAL
METAPHOR TO TRY TO DEMEAN A MALE
COUNTERPART.

Karen says NO.
I MEAN, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT... I
DON'T EXPECT THAT ROB THOUGHT
THAT WAS GOING TO BE IN THE
PUBLIC DOMAIN, AND AGAIN, THE
MEDIA HAD A CHOICE OF WHETHER
THEY WANTED TO AIR THAT AND THEY
COULD HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO BECAUSE
HE WAS AT A PRESS CONFERENCE.
HE DIDN'T SAY IT AS PART OF...
HE WAS AT A BAR, PRESUMABLY HE
WAS DRINKING, HE WAS TALKING TO
A BARTENDER WHO TAPED HIM
SURREPTITIOUSLY.
THERE WAS A QUESTION FOR ME: WHY
IS THIS A STORY?
THEY HAD A CHOICE TO NOT MAKE IT
A STORY.

Olivia says IT IS A STORY
BECAUSE IF HE SAID IT TO ANYONE,
IT COULD BE ABOUT MY DAUGHTER,
ANYBODY, IT'S OUTRAGEOUS IN ITSELF.

Karen says IT'S AWKWARD.

Olivia says IT'S NOT AWKWARD.
I THINK IT'S HATE.
AND HATE NEEDS TO BE CALLED OUT.
IT'S A SEXIST STATEMENT AND IT'S
HATEFUL AND HURTFUL NO MATTER
WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

Karen says AGAIN, TO
YOUR POINT, I THINK IT WAS MORE
DAMAGING... I CERTAINLY DIDN'T
LOSE THE CAMPAIGN BECAUSE OF
THAT.
IN TERMS OF, IT WAS MORE
DAMAGING TO ME BECAUSE THAT
STORY WILL FOLLOW ME AROUND LONG
AFTER I'VE LEFT POLITICS, AND SO
FOR ME IT WAS... THAT HE SAID IT
WAS UNFORTUNATE, THAT IT WAS
AIRED AND BECAME A STORY WAS
REALLY FOR ME WHERE THE PROBLEM
LAY.

Janet says BUT THERE'S NO
QUESTION THAT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE
POLITICAL REALM FREQUENTLY, NOT
ALWAYS, THE CRITICISM OF A
FEMALE, WHETHER IT'S BEING DONE
BY A MALE OR A FEMALE, DOES TEND
TO BE DONE MORE IN SEXUAL GENDER
TYPE TERMS, RIGHT?

Steve says WE SAW THE TRUMP
TAPE DURING THE CAMPAIGN.

Janet says THAT'S RIGHT.
AND CBC TELEVISION RECENTLY RAN
A VERY GOOD STORY WHERE THEY HAD
SOME OF THE WOMEN MEMBERS OF
PARLIAMENT READ SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT HAD BEEN TWEETED
ABOUT THEM OR TWEETED TO THEM...

Steve says IT WAS VERY POWERFUL.

Janet says VERY POWERFUL.
AND THE "B" WORD.
AM I ALLOWED TO SAY "BITCH" ON T.V.

Steve says YOU JUST DID.
YOU CAN'T SAY THE "C" WORD BUT
THAT WAS INCLUDED AS WELL.

Janet says YES.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW THEY WENT
AFTER CHRIS ALEXANDER, IT WASN'T
IN SEXUAL TERMS.
IT WAS VERY PERSONAL.
IT WAS MEANT TO HURT HIM.
IT WAS MEANT TO BE DEMEANING TO
HIM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT IT
WASN'T DONE IN SEXUAL TONES.
SO THERE'S NO QUESTION, PEOPLE
GO AFTER POLITICIANS, MALE OR
FEMALE, AND THERE IS A STREAM IN
THE BODY POLITIC THAT DOES TRY
TO HURT YOU, DEMEAN YOU,
QUESTION YOUR MOTIVES ALL THE
TIME.
BUT WITH WOMEN, IT DOES TEND TO
HAPPEN IN A SORT OF SEXUAL GENDER...

Steve says A VIOLENT SEXUAL CONNOTATION.
HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED ANY OF THAT?

Janet says MY STAFF MAY
NEVER HAVE SHOWED IT TO ME.
REMEMBER, THOUGH, TOO, I LEFT
POLITICS... I LEFT THE ELECTION
IN 2003, AND THAT WHOLE SOCIAL
MEDIA UNIVERSE IS VERY DIFFERENT
NOW, AND IN MY VIEW WHAT IT IS
DOING, IT IS TAKING THE SHACKLES
OFF HUMAN BEING.
THERE'S A REASON WE HAVE
CIVILIZATION, IT'S TO KEEP US
ALL UNDER CONTROL, AND SOCIAL MEDIA...

Karen says IS THE MOST
ANTISOCIAL MEDIA I'VE EVER
EXPERIENCED.

Janet says YOU SEE RAW
HUMAN BEINGS.

Steve says JOHN LASCHINGER, WHO
RAN YOUR CAMPAIGN FOR MAYOR, DID
SHARE SOME AWFULLY DISTRESSING
STORIES ABOUT THE KINDS OF
COMMENTS THAT YOU GOT, WHICH
WERE BOTH VIOLENT SEXUALLY AND
REFERRED TO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE
A VISIBLE MINORITY AS WELL.
I MEAN, YOU GOT THE WORST OF
KIND OF BOTH WORLDS IN ALL OF
THAT.
WHAT KIND OF AN IMPACT DOES THAT
HAVE?

Olivia says IT DIDN'T HURT
ME BECAUSE I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR
QUITE A LONG TIME.
BUT WHAT IT WAS WAS QUITE
SURPRISING.
THE INTENSITY OF IT.
THAT PEOPLE WOULD DESCEND TO
THAT LEVEL.
AND IT WAS A HUGE NUMBER.
MY STAFF DECIDED NOT TO SHOW ME.

Steve says WHAT'S A HUGE NUMBER?

Olivia says I THINK THE
FIRST FEW... NO, NO, HUNDREDS,
HUNDREDS.
THE FIRST FEW DAYS ESPECIALLY,
EVERY TIME THERE IS A STORY AND
THERE IS JUST A LARGE WAVE OF
IT.
IN RETROSPECT, MY STAFF SHOULD
HAVE SHOWN MORE OF IT TO ME.
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS THAT BAD
UNTIL MUCH LATER ON.

Steve says WHY WOULD IT HAVE
BEEN VALUABLE TO YOU TO KNOW ALL
THAT?

Olivia says THEN I WOULD
HAVE UNDERSTOOD THE KIND OF
PASSION THAT I'M GETTING
PEOPLE... THAT THE KIND OF HATE
THAT I WAS GETTING.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THE EXTENT OF
IT.
AND I THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO
PROTECT ME.

Steve says AGAIN, WHY WOULD YOU
WANT TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A
GROUP OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO
HATE YOU THAT MUCH?

Olivia says IT'S GOOD TO
KNOW WHO IS YOUR ENEMY AND WHY.
AND UNDERSTAND THE PAIN THEY ARE
FEELING.
I THINK OFTEN WHEN PEOPLE LASH
OUT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
WE LISTEN AND THEN FIND OUT WHY
THEY'RE DOING IT, WHAT'S CAUSING
IT, WHAT'S THE INTENTION, AND
THEN THE NEXT PART IS, YOU KNOW,
IF THERE IS ANY HOPE OF
CONNECTING, YOU DON'T
NECESSARILY CONDEMN IT...
SOMETIMES YOU DO.
IT DEPENDS WHETHER THAT PERSON
HAS A LOT OF POWER OR NOT.
IF THAT PERSON HAS A LOT OF
POWER, THEN, YES, YOU NEED TO
COME AT IT.
BUT IF IT IS YOUR ORDINARY
PEOPLE, YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT,
WHY ARE THEY DOING ALL THAT?

Steve says MAYBE BECAUSE
THEY'RE RACIST PIGS?
IS THAT POSSIBLE?
AND SEXIST PIGS?

Janet says THERE ARE TWO
LEVELS TO IT AND YOU'RE QUITE
RIGHT, AND THAT'S A REALLY
INTERESTING JUDGMENT CALL: DO
YOU OR DO YOU NOT WANT TO KNOW?
I HAD SECURITY BECAUSE I HAD
DEATH THREATS AT ONE PARTICULAR
TIME AND THEY WOULD NEVER TELL
ME WHAT THE DETAILS WERE.
I KNEW I HAD SECURITY PEOPLE
AROUND ME THAT I HADN'T HAD
AROUND ME BEFORE.
BUT I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE
WHO... UNDERSTANDING, AND
ESPECIALLY WHAT WE SAW IN THE
UNITED STATES, ESPECIALLY WHAT
WE SAW IN THE U.S. WITH BREXIT,
RIGHT, THERE ARE PRESSURES IN
THE BODY POLITIC OUT THERE THAT
ARE CAUSING PEOPLE TO LASH OUT,
TO BE INCREDIBLE FRUSTRATED AND
EMOTIONAL AND ANGRY ABOUT A
WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT ARE
LEGITIMATE POLICY ISSUES AND
THAT'S PART OF WHAT DROVE TRUMP,
WAS THE ESTABLISHMENT WAS NOT
LISTENING, WAS NOT RESPONDING IN
PEOPLE'S VIEW TO THOSE
FRUSTRATIONS.
SO ALL IT DID WAS BOTTLE IT UP
AND, YOU KNOW, THE TOP CAME OFF
THE KETTLE SORT OF THING.
AND THEN THERE ARE THE SEXIST,
RACIST PIGS.

Steve says BUT I WONDER, KAREN,
WHETHER... WE LOVE TO THINK OF
OURSELVES AS A KINDER, GENTLER
NATION UP HERE AND WE LIKE TO
THINK THAT WE'RE NOT AS RACIST
AS AMERICANS OR SEXIST AS
AMERICANS, ALL THOSE BAD THINGS.
WE LIKE TO THINK SO.
I MEAN, WE'RE HEARING EVIDENCE
THAT THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE.
DO YOU HAVE EXAMPLES?

Karen says NO, I DON'T.
I MEAN, JUST TO CHANGE THE
CHANNEL SLIGHTLY IN TERMS OF
MY... MY ONLY TANGIBLE
EXPERIENCE OF BEING TREATED
DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE I WAS A
WOMAN, RUNNING FOR MAYOR, WAS
WHEN I WAS ASKED THE QUESTION
REPEATEDLY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO
MANAGE WITH YOUR KIDS?

Steve says A QUESTION NO MAN
WOULD BE ASKED.

Karen says NOT ONLY THAT.
I SAID WHY DON'T YOU ASK ROB
FORD THE SAME QUESTION BECAUSE
HIS KIDS ARE THE SAME AGE.
LAST TIME I CHECKED...

Janet says GOOD ANSWER.

Karen says I JUST
THOUGHT OF THAT LAST PART.
MY KIDS?
I'M NOT... HOW DOES THIS EVEN...
LIKE, HOW DOES THIS EVEN ENTER
THE DOMAIN OF QUESTIONS ABOUT MY
FITNESS TO RUN FOR OFFICE?

Steve says DID YOU GET ASKED
THAT DURING A DEBATE, DURING ONE
OF THE MAYORALTY CANDIDATE DEBATES?

Karen says DURING THE
CAMPAIGN.
NOT BY A FELLOW CANDIDATE BUT BY
THE MEDIA.

Steve says A JOURNALIST ASKED
YOU THAT?

Karen says YEAH, YEAH.
AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME...
LIKE, WOW.

Steve says MALE OR FEMALE
JOURNALIST?

Karen says FEMALE
JOURNALIST?

Steve says A FEMALE JOURNALIST
ASKED YOU THAT.
OOH.

Karen says TO YOUR
POINT, POLITICS IS NOT FOR
SISSIES.
I TOOK A DIFFERENT VIEW.
DURING THE WHOLE TRANSIT DEBATE,
PEOPLE GOT QUITE NASTY.
OKAY, I ONLY NEED TO KNOW IF
THERE'S SOMETHING I SHOULD BE
WORRIED ABOUT GOING TO WORK
EVERY DAY, TELL ME.
OTHERWISE, I DON'T NEED TO READ
THAT BECAUSE I THINK YOU GUYS
ARE... NOT FULLY FACULTIES.
WHEN I REALIZED I WAS PLAYING A
DIFFERENT GAME WAS WHEN
JOURNALISTS STARTED ASKING ME
QUESTIONS ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT MY KIDS?

Olivia says I'M NOT SURE
THAT THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE RACIST
OR SEXIST PIGS ARE NECESSARILY
CRAZY.
THERE ARE SOME VERY FAIRLY
NORMAL PEOPLE THAT ARE SEXIST
AND RACIST.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT
MENTAL CAPACITY IS THE AMOUNT OF
HATE THAT THEY HAVE, AND THEIR
WORLD VIEW, AND THEIR ETHICAL
BEHAVIOUR.

Karen says IF THEY DON'T
SIGN THEIR NAME TO SOMETHING,
I'M NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT THEY
HAVE TO SAY.

Steve says YOUR ANSWER EARLIER,
OLIVIA, SUGGESTED THAT EVEN
PEOPLE WHO SAY RACIST APPALLING,
SEXIST THINGS, IF I'M READING
BETWEEN THE LINES, YOU TELL ME,
IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU SAID WE NEED
TO HEAR THEM BECAUSE THEY MAY
HAVE A POINT?
BECAUSE I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THEM...

Olivia says NO, THEY ARE
LASHING OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE
HURTING.
NOT THAT WE JUSTIFY THEIR
BEHAVIOUR.
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
WHY ARE THEY HURTING AND WHAT
CAUSED THEM TO LASH OUT?
WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF THE PAIN?
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO
KNOW AND ACTUALLY LISTEN TO IT
IN SOME WAYS.

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Janet says IF YOU... IF
YOU TAKE... LET'S GO DOWN TO THE
UNITED STATES AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S
ALWAYS SAFER TO GO TO THE UNITED
STATES TO TALK ABOUT THESE
THINGS BECAUSE WE'RE CANADIANS,
DON'T YOU KNOW.
IF YOU TAKE A MIDDLE-AGED WHITE
MALE WHO HAS LOST HIS JOB
BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON AND
HE'S SITTING THERE LISTENING TO
REPORTS, MEDIA STUDIES,
WHATEVER, ABOUT WOMEN AREN'T
GETTING AHEAD AND WOMEN NEED
MORE HELP AND WOMEN... WHATEVER.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE HIRING
MORE VISIBLE MINORITIES AND HE'S
SITTING THERE TRYING TO GET A
JOB AND HE'S HEARING ALL THESE
MESSAGES THAT IN EFFECT YOU
DON'T COUNT...

Steve says HE'S SEETHING.

Janet says YOU'VE GOT
WHITE PRIVILEGE SO WE DON'T NEED
TO WORRY ABOUT YOU.
YOU DON'T HAVE AN IDENTITY LIKE
SOMEONE... WHAT YOU START TO
BUILD, IT'S ALMOST REVERSE
RACISM, IF YOU WILL, IN THE
DEBATE, AND SO IT BUILDS UP
ANGER IN THEM AND, YOU'RE RIGHT,
IT LASHES OUT IN A SEXIST,
RACIST WHATEVER WAY.
IT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT.
BUT IN THAT CASE, TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT HOW YOU GET AT THAT
IS IMPORTANT.
BUT... THERE'S NO QUESTION.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST
HATEFUL.

Steve says I WANT TO READ
SOMETHING HERE.
I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A...
DO I WANT TO IDENTIFY THIS PERSON?
NO.
I PROBABLY SHOULD NOT.

Olivia says YOU DON'T NEED TO.

Steve says I HAD A CONVERSATION
WITH LET'S JUST SAY A CURRENT
FEMALE POLITICIAN WHO SAID,
POLITICS AND MEDIA TODAY ONLY
SEEM TO ALLOW FOR TWO TYPES OF
FEMALE POLITICAL LEADERS.
YOU CAN EITHER BE A LAP DOG OR
YOU CAN BE A BITCH, AND THERE'S
NOTHING IN BETWEEN.
EITHER THEY EXPECT YOU TO BE A
DOOR MAT, YOU KNOW, THE MEDIA IS
GOING TO WALK ALL OVER YOU, THE
OPPOSITION IS GOING TO WALK ALL
OVER YOU, OR YOU ARE GOING TO BE
SUPER BITCH, IN WHICH CASE
THEY'RE ALL GOING TO THINK THAT
YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WAY TOO
ULTRA TOUGH AND ULTRA AGGRESSIVE
AND ALL THAT AND THERE'S NOTHING
IN THE MIDDLE.
THERE'S SORT OF NO ROOM FOR...

Janet says I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

Steve says YOU DISAGREE.

Janet says ABSOLUTELY.

Steve says HOW COME?

Janet says I THINK
THERE'S NO QUESTION THERE ARE
TWO STEREOTYPES, BUT I THINK
THERE ARE A LOT OF TALENTED
FEMALE POLITICIANS IN THIS
COUNTRY AND SOUTH OF THE BORDER
AND AROUND THE WORLD.
I MEAN, ANGELA MERKEL IS NOT A
BITCH.
ANGELA MERKEL IS NOT A DOOR MAT.
RIGHT NOW ANGELA IS PROBABLY THE
ONLY SANE LEADER OF THE FREE
WESTERN WORLD AT THE MOMENT, RIGHT?
[LAUGHTER]
SO I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

Steve says YOU DON'T THINK
JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS SANE?

Janet says DIFFERENT
CATEGORY.

Steve says OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
HOW ABOUT YOU, KAREN, ON THAT?
THE TWO POLAR OPPOSITES AND NO
ROOM FOR ANYTHING IN THE MIDDLE?

Karen says THAT WASN'T
MY EXPERIENCE.
NOW, I'M REMOVED FROM POLITICS.
NOT THAT REMOVED BUT TWO YEARS
REMOVED.
THAT WAS NOT MY EXPERIENCE.
I ACTUALLY FELT... I THOUGHT OF
SOME OF IT WHEN I WAS RUNNING
FOR MAYOR.
I ACTUALLY FELT WOMEN AND MEN AT
THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL ARE
RELATIVELY... THEY HAD THE SAME
OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THEIR
POSITION, TO MAKE THEIR POINTS,
AND TO ADVANCE THEIR CAUSE.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO AS I SAY, I
CAN'T SPEAK TO HER EXPERIENCE.
I'M SURE THAT'S REAL FOR HER.
FOR ME AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL, I
DIDN'T HAVE THAT.

Olivia says I DON'T KNOW
ABOUT THAT.
YES, THOSE ARE TWO STEREOTYPES.
BUT IN TERMS OF POLICY, A FEMALE
POLITICIAN IS JUST SUPPOSED TO
KNOW ABOUT CHILD CARE,
EDUCATION, AND THE CARING AND
NURTURING.
THE MINUTE YOU WANDER INTO
FINANCE, MADAME FINANCE
MINISTER, YOU KNOW, OR
MILITARY... WHOA.

Steve says FEMALE DEFENCE MINISTER.

Olivia says YEAH, DEFENCE.
100 PERCENT DOABLE.
YOU SHOULD BE GENDER NEUTRAL IN
BELIEVING THAT YOUR ELECTED
REPRESENTATIVE CAN DO BOTH.

Steve says HMM.
DO YOU FIND... YOU'RE IN THE
BUSINESS WORLD NOW.

Janet says MM-HMM.

Steve says HOW WOULD YOU
COMPARE THE AMOUNT OF SEXISM IN
THE BUSINESS WORLD TO THE WAY IT
WAS DURING YOUR POLITICAL LIFE?

Janet says WELL, I THINK
THAT THE POLITICAL CLASS IS SEEN
AS A LEGITIMATE TARGET BY
PEOPLE, LITERALLY OR
FIGURATIVELY.
I THINK IN THE BUSINESS
COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT QUITE THE
SAME THING.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING AFTER YOUR
COMPETITOR IN A DIFFERENT WAY
AND IN EFFECT YOU'RE SEEING EACH
OTHER AS EQUALS, IF YOU WILL.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I'M TRYING
TO WIPE OUT SO AND SO'S COMPANY
OR SELL MORE WIDGETS THAN SO AND
SO'S COMPANY.
IT'S NOT QUITE THE SAME WAY.
BECAUSE IN POLITICS, THERE'S
SORT OF THE VOTERS AND THEN
THERE'S THE POLITICAL CLASS...
YEAH.
IT'S SEEN AS A TARGET, QUITE
FRANKLY.
I GUESS IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN
DESCRIBE IT.
I THINK IT'S VERY DIFFERENT.

Karen says I THINK IT IS
DIFFERENT BUT I THINK MEN EXCEL
MORE THAN WOMEN AT NETWORKING.

Steve says SAY THAT AGAIN.

Karen says I THINK MEN
ARE BETTER NETWORKERS.
THEY'RE NETWORKING WHEN THEY'RE
GOLFING OR ON THEIR BOARDS.
THEY'RE ALWAYS NETWORKING.

Olivia says THEY HAVE MORE
OPPORTUNITIES.
WOMEN ARE VERY GOOD AT IT.

Karen says I DON'T THINK
WE'RE BAD AT IT BUT WOMEN ARE
BUSY.
THEY'RE EQUALLY IMPORTANT BUT
WE'RE NOT NETWORKING IN THE SAME
WAY.
AND ALSO WE'RE STILL STRUGGLING
TO KIND OF FIND OUR PLACE AT THE
TOP SO WE CAN BUILD THOSE
NETWORKS.
SO IT'S NOT... WE'LL GET THERE.
YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT
IN POLITICS AND BUSINESS FOR
WOMEN, BUT WE'RE STILL... THE
REALITY IS, WOMEN HAVE KIDS,
THEY TAKE TIME OFF, THEY RAISE
THEIR KIDS, THEY MAKE DIFFERENT
CHOICES THAT ARE EQUALLY AS
LEGITIMATE AS THOSE THAT MEN
MAKE, BUT YOU ARRIVE IN
DIFFERENT PLACES BECAUSE OF THE
CHOICES YOU MAKE.

Olivia says YOU THINK
ABOUT HILLARY WHEN SHE WAS THE
WIFE AND THE FIRST LADY.
SHE DID ALL THIS WORK ON HEALTH
CARE, RIGHT?
BUT RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING, SHE
WAS EXPECTED TO CHANGE HER NAME
TO CLINTON.
THAT WASN'T HER NAME.
SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO HOST TEA AND
BE JUST NICE, OKAY, AND JUST
SMILE AND BE THE SPOUSE.

Steve says THAT WAS THE
TRADITIONAL FIRST LADY'S ROLE.

Olivia says ABSOLUTELY.
BUT SHE FORGED... BUT SHE WENT
AND STUDIED ALL THE HEALTH CARE
SYSTEMS AROUND THE WORLD,
BROUGHT IN GOOD PROGRAMS AND ALL
THAT AND THEY FOUGHT HER EVERY
WAY AND SHE HAD TO GIVE UP HER
NAME, SHE HAD TO GIVE UP... YOU
KNOW, SHE DID HOST TEA AND ALL
THAT.
SO THE KIND OF SACRIFICES THAT
SHE MADE WAS PHENOMENAL.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE HAVE
FORGOTTEN THAT.

Janet says THERE HAVE
BEEN A LOT OF FIRST LADIES WHO
HAVE DONE A LOT OF COOL THINGS.

Steve says IT STARTED WITH
ELEANOR ROOSEVELT.

Janet says ABSOLUTE.
THE MISTAKE HILLARY MADE, IF I
CAN PUT IT THIS WAY, THAT SHE IN
EFFECT WAS TRYING TO PLAY THE
ROLE OF CO-PRESIDENT.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE
MISTAKE WAS.
PEOPLE WERE ELECTING BILL, THEY
WEREN'T ELECTING HILLARY.

Steve says BUT HE SAID, JANET,
TWO FOR THE PRICE OF ONE.

Janet says I KNOW HE SAID
THAT.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE SYSTEM.
THE SAME AS IF MICHELLE OBAMA
WAS LEADING A WHOLE NEW POLICY
THING INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW,
JUSTIN'S WIFE, SOPHIA, WAS
TRYING TO DO STUFF LIKE THAT.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY OUR SYSTEM
IS.
I THINK THAT WAS THE MISTAKE SHE
MADE.
SHE RAN INTO THE HASSLE ABOUT
LAST NAME.
I RAN INTO THAT BECAUSE I DON'T
HAVE MY HUSBAND'S LAST NAME AND
WE'VE HAD WONDERFUL AND HUMOROUS
AND NOT SO HUMOROUS
CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE I DIDN'T
HAVE HIS LAST NAME AND ONE OF
HIS PROUDEST POSSESSIONS IS A
FEET PLACARD THAT HAS DEREK
ECKER ON IT AND HE JUST LOVES
IT, DEREK ECKER, AS OPPOSED TO
DEREK NELSON.

Karen says AS OPPOSED TO MR. STINTZ.

They all laugh.

Janet says MY HUSBAND HAD
A GOOD HUMOUR ABOUT THESE THINGS
SO HE DIDN'T MIND BEING CALLED
MR. ECKER.

Steve says AS I LISTEN TO THESE
STORIES, PROBABLY, IF THERE ARE
WOMEN WATCHING THIS WHO ARE
THINKING OF RUNNING FOR OFFICE,
THEY MAY VERY WELL THINK TO
THEMSELVES, WHY WOULD I BE AS
NUTS AS TO DIP MY TOE INTO THIS
POND?

Janet says BECAUSE...

Steve says GO AHEAD.

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Janet says... YOU GET TO
MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN SOCIETY
THAT VERY FEW OTHER POSITIONS
GET TO LET YOU DO.
YOU GET TO TOUCH PEOPLE'S LIVES.
YOU GET TO SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES.
YOU GET TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE,
WHETHER IT'S MUNICIPAL,
PROVINCIAL, OR FEDERAL IN A WAY
THAT YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THOSE
OPPORTUNITIES, AND THAT GIVES A
SENSE OF SATISFACTION THAT IS
VERY TOUGH TO GET IN OTHER JOBS.

Steve says ALL TRUE BUT IS THE
PRICE TOO HIGH?

Olivia says NO.

Steve says IN SPITE OF
EVERYTHING WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT?

Karen says EVERYONE
FACES DIFFERENT CHALLENGES, MAN
OR WOMAN, YOUR BACKGROUND,
EVERYBODY IS GOING TO FACE A
DIFFERENT CHALLENGE.
WOMEN MIGHT FACE SOME DIFFERENT
THAN MEN AND MEN FACE ONES
DIFFERENT THAN WOMEN.
IF YOU'RE DRIVEN AND YOU WANT TO
MAKE A CHANGE AND YOU'RE IN
POLITICS FOR THE RIGHT REASON,
YOU WILL EXCEL.
AND IF YOU'RE A WOMAN AND YOU
WANT TO DO IT, YOU SHOULD
ABSOLUTELY DO IT.

Steve says HERE'S THE LAY OF
THE LAND TODAY.
SHELDON, DO YOU WANT TO BRING
THESE NUMBERS UP?
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN
POLITICS IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.

A slate appears on screen, with the title "Women in politics."
The slate shows that 26 percent of Federal seats are occupied by women, as well as 34 percent of provincial seats and 17 percent of municipal seats in Toronto.

Steve continues IN THE FEDERAL PARLIAMENT,
BARELY OVER A QUARTER OF THE
SEATS ARE OCCUPIED BY WOMEN.
IN THE PROVINCIAL PARLIAMENT,
IT'S A LITTLE BETTER, A LITTLE
OVER A THIRD OF THE SEATS ARE
OCCUPIED BY WOMEN.
AND ON THE MUNICIPAL COUNCIL IN
THE CITY OF TORONTO, THE CAPITAL
CITY OF ONTARIO, IT'S A LITTLE
OVER A QUARTER AS WELL.
AND I GUESS ONE WOULD HAVE
THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, A
HUNDRED YEARS AFTER WOMEN HAVE
BEEN GRANTED THE RIGHT TO VOTE,
WHICH WE WILL CELEBRATE NEXT
APRIL, THOSE NUMBERS MIGHT BE A
LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
WHY AREN'T THEY HIGHER?
I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THEY'RE NOT
HIGHER BECAUSE IN SPITE OF WHAT
EVERYBODY SAYS HERE, THERE ARE
TOO MANY WOMEN WHO ARE TOO SMART
TO GET INTO THE JOBS YOU'VE GOT
BECAUSE THEY REALIZE IT'S A...

Olivia says THAT IS NOT
THE ONLY REASON.
IT COULD BE ONE BECAUSE IT'S
HARD FOR A WOMAN TO SAY THAT I'M
GOING TO JUMP IN.
BUT PUTTING ASIDE... PUTTING
THAT ON THE INDIVIDUAL SIDE.
WHAT I'VE SEEN STRUCTURALLY IS
VERY DIFFICULT.
NOW, NEW DEMOCRATS ARE DIFFERENT
PARTIES, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT
POLICIES THAT YOU CANNOT
NOMINATE A CANDIDATE UNTIL YOU
HAVE SEARCHED OUT FEMALE OR
VISIBLE MINORITIES OR PEOPLE...

Steve says WELL, YOU HAD FIRM
QUOTAS, I THINK, IN PLACE.

Olivia says WE HAVE
CERTAIN POLICIES THAT GIVE WOMEN
A CHANCE.
BECAUSE IN MY EXPERIENCE, I'VE
BEEN ELECTED... NOT ANYMORE...
BUT FOR 30 YEARS.
I DON'T REGRET A MINUTE OF IT.
YES, I'M OLD.

Steve says STARTING AS A SCHOOL
BOARD TRUSTEE, THEN TORONTO CITY
COUNCILLOR, THEN AN M.P.

Olivia says I KNOW.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.
BUT THROUGH THOSE YEARS, I
ALWAYS TRIED TO RECRUIT FEMALES
TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

Steve says AND HOW MUCH SUCCESS
DID YOU HAVE DOING THAT?

Olivia says I HAVE SOME
SUCCESSES.
I CAN NAME SOME OF THE PEOPLE.
BUT OFTEN I HAVE TO ASK TWO,
THREE, FOUR TIMES OVER A FEW YEARS.
VERY FEW WOULD SAY "YES, I'LL DO IT."

Steve says I'M BETTING YOU WERE
SENT OUT TO RECRUIT FOR THE
PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVES OF
ONTARIO AND YOU GOT WAY MORE
NO'S THAN YESES, BECAUSE PEOPLE
DON'T WANT TO PUT THEIR NAME UP
FOR THIS.
HOW DO YOU SAY IT'S WORTH DOING
EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE GOING TO BE
CALLED THE "B" WORD AND "C" WORD
AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.
I GUESS THERE'S NOTHING IN
BETWEEN "B" AND "C."

Karen says IF YOU HAVE
THE DRIVE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND
THE WAY.
I SUPPORT CANDIDATES WHO ARE
GOING TO RUN.
IT IS HARD AND IT'S NO THE FOR
SISSIES AND MY VIEW IS ANYONE
WHO HAS BEEN IN POLITICS OR PART
OF POLITICS SHOULD SUPPORT THOSE
THAT THEY CAN WHO ARE THE NEXT
GENERATION OF POLITICIANS.

Janet says AND BEING
ASKED... I MEAN, FREQUENTLY I...
FOR A LOT OF WOMEN AND WHEN
SOMEONE SAYS TO THEM YOU SHOULD
RUN FOR OFFICE, I THINK PLANTS
THE SEED AND I THINK THAT'S THE
FIRST THING, IS MAKING SURE
YOU'RE ASKING QUALIFIED,
TALENTED WOMEN TO RUN AND TELL
THEM THEY SHOULD RUN AND HELP
SUPPORT THEM TO RUN, ABSOLUTELY.

Karen says AND BE THERE
TO SUPPORT THEM.

Janet says THAT'S RIGHT, ABSOLUTELY.

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Steve says I CAN SAY THE THREE
OF YOU ARE CERTAINLY ROLE MODELS
FOR THE NEXT GENERATION THAT
WILL COME BEHIND YOU SO
CONGRATULATIONS FOR HAVING DONE
IT AND YOU ALL HAVE EMERGED
RELATIVELY UNSCATHED.

Janet says WE'RE STILL STANDING.

Steve says YOU'RE STILL
STANDING.
THANKS SO MUCH TO KAREN STINTZ,
FORMER TORONTO CITY COUNCILLOR,
OLIVIA CHOW THE FORMER MEMBER OF
PARLIAMENT, JANET ECKER THE
FORMER ONTARIO CABINET MINISTER
AND M.P.P. FOR THIS DISCUSSION
TONIGHT.
MANY THANKS.

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