Transcript: Hiring Homeless Youth | Jun 07, 2016

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and striped purple tie.

A caption on screen reads "Hiring homeless youth."

Steve says AS THE SEASON OF THE
SUMMER JOB APPROACHES, YOUNG
PEOPLE ACROSS THE PROVINCE WILL
FIND THAT DESPITE THEIR BEST
EFFORTS TO HAVE THE RIGHT SKILLS
AND ATTITUDE, JOBS ARE TOUGH TO
COME BY.
THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN ONTARIO
IS 7 PERCENT.
THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE FOR YOUTH
IS MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT.
NOW, IMAGINE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT
FOR HOMELESS YOUTH.
BARELY SCRAPING BY AND WITH ZERO
SUPPORT OR FALLBACK, THESE YOUNG
PEOPLE FACE ASTONISHING
OBSTACLES.
JOINING US NOW FOR A LOOK AT THE
CHALLENGES AND POSSIBILITIES:
PAUL KLEIN, FOUNDER OF HireUP,
THE FIRST NATIONAL JOB PORTAL
FOR HOMELESS YOUTH;

Paul is in his sixties, clean-shaven, with sparse gray hair. He's wearing rounded glasses, a gray plaid suit and a white shirt.

Steve continues MICHAEL BRAITHWAITE, EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR, 360kids, AN
ORGANIZATION HELPING HOMELESS
AND AT-RISK CHILDREN AND YOUTH;

Michael is in his late forties, with short side-parted blond hair and a goatee. He's wearing a pink coat and a black shirt.

Steve continues MAIMOONA EMAAN, WHO HAS
EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS;

Maimoona is in her twenties, with long straight brown hair. She's wearing glasses, a burgundy shirt and silver hoop earrings.

Steve continues SEAN GAYLAND, CO-OWNER OF THE
TORONTO RESTAURANT THE LOCAL GEST;

Sean is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with wavy gray hair. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit and a purple shirt.

Steve continues AND JESSE DONALDSON, PROJECT
MANAGER AT YORK UNIVERSITY'S
CANADIAN OBSERVATORY ON
HOMELESSNESS.

Jesse is in her early thirties, with wavy brown hair to her shoulders. She's wearing glasses, a flowery blazer and a gray tee.

Steve continues IT'S GREAT TO WELCOME YOU ALL
HERE TO TVO TONIGHT AND WE WANT
TO SAY RIGHT OFF THE TOP YOU'RE
FIGHTING TERRIBLE LARYNGITIS BUT
YOU'RE HANGING IN THERE SO WE'RE
REALLY GLAD YOU'RE HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAIMOONA.
LET US SHARE NUMBERS WHICH YOU
FOLKS KNOW ALL TOO WELL WITH
THOSE AT HOME.

A slate appears on screen, with the title "Canadian homelessness. Current estimates."

Steve reads stats from the slate and says 235,000 PEOPLE EXPERIENCE
HOMELESSNESS IN CANADA IN ANY
GIVEN YEAR.
65,000 ARE YOUTH.
THAT'S CONSIDERED UNDER THE AGE
OF 25.
THEY EXPERIENCE HOMELESSNESS IN
THIS COUNTRY IN ANY GIVEN YEAR.
LET'S CONTINUE ON.

A new slate reads "Homeless youth."

Steve says STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT THESE
YOUTH GENERALLY LEAVE HOME
AROUND THE AGE OF 15.
64 percent OF HOMELESS YOUTH ARE MALE.
65 percent HAVE NOT COMPLETED HIGH
SCHOOL.
70 percent HAVE SUFFERED SOME FORM OF
PHYSICAL, SEXUAL, OR EMOTIONAL
ABUSE.
25 TO 40 PERCENT OF HOMELESS
YOUTH IDENTIFY AS LGBTQ.
50 percent COME FROM MIDDLE AND UPPER
INCOME FAMILIES, YOU MAY BE
SURPRISED TO HEAR, AND THEIR
MORTALITY RATE IS UP TO 40 TIMES
THE MORTALITY RATE OF HOUSED
YOUTH.
THE MOST COMMON CAUSES OF DEATH,
OF COURSE: SUICIDE OR DRUG
OVERDOSES.
AND WE SHOULD ADD, AS IS SO
OFTEN THE CASE IN OUR COUNTRY,
INDIGENOUS CANADIANS AND BLACK
YOUTH ARE SADLY OVERREPRESENTED
IN ALL OF THESE NUMBERS.
JESSE, I WANT TO START WITH YOU
FIRST BECAUSE YOU'VE STUDIED
THIS A LOT.
HOW DO KIDS END UP HOMELESS?

The caption changes to "Jesse Donaldson. Canadian Observatory on homelessness."
Then, it changes again to "Onto the street."

Jesse says A MULTITUDE OF FACTORS.
WE TEND TO HAVE THIS IDEA THAT
YOUTH FACING HOMELESSNESS ARE
BAD KIDS OR RUN AWAYS.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
FAMILY BREAKDOWN COULD BE ONE
BIG CAUSE OF YOUTH HOMELESSNESS.
NEGLECT, ABUSE IN THE HOME,
YOUTH COULD BE KICKED OUT OR
ASKED TO LEAVE OR FEEL THAT IT'S
SAFER ACTUALLY TO LIVE ON THE
STREET OR IN A SHELTER THAN AT
HOME.
ANOTHER CAN BE FINANCIAL STRAIN.
FAMILIES ARE INCREDIBLE
FINANCIAL STRAIN AND SOME CAN'T
AFFORD TO HAVE YOUTH STAY AT THE
HOUSE.
WHEN YOUTH ARE UNABLE TO LIVE AT
HOME, WHERE DO THEY GO?
WHEN THEY TRY TO GET HOUSING,
IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE, OFTEN
UNEMPLOYED, AND DISCRIMINATION.
LANDLORDS UNWILLING TO RENT WITH
YOUTH BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNG.
A GREAT DEAL OF DISCRIMINATION.
AND ALSO SYSTEMIC FACTORS.
SO LEAVING CARE, NOT HAVING A
DISCHARGE PLAN WHEN A YOUTH IS
LEAVING CORRECTIONS, AND THEY
END UP GETTING DISCHARGED ONTO
THE STREETS.

Steve says ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT REALLY SURPRISED ME IN THAT
LIST OF THINGS I JUST READ OUT
IS WE ASSUME THIS IS AN ISSUE
THAT ALMOST ALWAYS SURROUNDS
POVERTY BUT MIDDLE CLASS AND
UPPER CLASS KIDS EXPERIENCE THIS
AS OFTEN AS NOT.
HOW IS THAT?

Jesse says BECAUSE
ABUSE AND NEGLECT AND FAMILY
BREAKDOWN AND CONFLICT WITHIN
THE FAMILY AND MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES AREN'T LIMITED TO PEOPLE
WHO ARE EXPERIENCING POVERTY OR
LOW SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS.
THEY HAPPEN TO ALL FAMILIES.
ANOTHER FACTOR CAN BE, WE KNOW
THAT YOUTH WHO ARE LGBTTS ARE
OVERREPRESENTED IN YOUTH
HOMELESSNESS POPULATION.
SOMETIMES PARENTS CAN KICK OUT
YOUTH WHO AREN'T COMFORTABLE
WITH THE YOUTH'S SEXUAL
ORIENTATION.

Steve says I HEARD A NEW THING.
DID YOU PUT AN "S" ON THE END?

Jesse says T00 SPIRITED.

Steve says LEARNED SOMETHING
NEW TODAY.
I WANT TO TALK TO YOU BECAUSE
THIS IS NOT AN ACADEMIC EXERCISE
FOR YOU.
YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS.
HOW COME?

The caption changes to "Maimoona Emaan. Formerly homeless youth."

Maimoona says I LEFT HOME
BACK IN 2013, IT WAS BECAUSE OF
FAMILY DISPUTES, I WAS GETTING
EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY
ABUSED BY MY FATHER AND MY
SIBLINGS AND IT WAS PRETTY BAD.
LIKE, I WAS NOT ABLE TO GO TO
COLLEGE BECAUSE MY FATHER DID
NOT ALLOW ME TO, AND ALSO, LIKE,
I WAS TOLD NOT TO COME IN THE
HOUSE.
IT COMES MORE TO CULTURE.

Steve says HOW MANY SIBLINGS?

Maimoona says I HAVE A
TOTAL OF FIVE SIBLINGS, TWO
BROTHERS AND THREE SISTERS, I'M
THE YOUNGEST.

Steve says AND THE TWO BROTHERS
WERE WITH YOUR DAD ON THIS ONE?

Maimoona says MY OLDEST
BROTHER NEVER GOT ALONG WITH MY
DAD BUT MY YOUNGER BROTHER IS
WITH DAD BUT...

Steve says AGREEING WITH HIS
POSITION, IN OTHER WORDS?

Maimoona says YES.

Steve says HOW OLD WERE YOU AT
THE TIME ALL THIS HAPPENED?

Maimoona says I ACTUALLY
STARTED AT THE AGE OF 16 WHEN I
LOST MY MOM.
SHE PASSED AWAY FROM A HEART
ATTACK.
AND IT JUST GOT REALLY BAD
BECAUSE SHE ALWAYS WAS THERE FOR
ME, BUT AFTER SHE PASSED AWAY,
IT GOT REALLY BAD.
I MOVED OUT IN 2013, SEPTEMBER,
SO AT THE AGE OF 19.

Steve says WHERE DID YOU GO?

Maimoona says I WENT TO A
SHELTER.
I WENT TO A HOMELESS SHELTER AT
FIRST BECAUSE THAT WAS MY ONLY
OPTION, AND THEN FROM THERE I
WENT TO A WOMEN'S ABUSIVE
SHELTERS, AND WHEN I LEFT HOME,
I DID NOT HAVE MY PERMANENT
RESIDENCY, I DID NOT HAVE NO
MONEY ON ME.
WHEN I LEFT, LIKE, THE FIRST
NIGHT I LEFT, I STAYED HUNGRY
AND THE NEXT DAY A TAXI DRIVER
BOUGHT FOOD BECAUSE I COULDN'T
AFFORD MYSELF, YOU KNOW?
I COULDN'T AFFORD TO BUY FOOD
BECAUSE I HAD NO MONEY ON ME.

Steve says IF YOU HAD NO MONEY,
HOW DID YOU BUY ANYTHING?

Maimoona says I ACTUALLY,
THE SHELTER, THE SECOND ONE I
MOVED INTO, SO THE WOMEN'S
SHELTER IS A BIT DIFFERENT FROM
HOMELESS SHELTERS.
THEY GIVE YOU 32 dollars A WEEK, AND I
LIVED OFF OF THAT MONEY FOR LIKE
A YEAR AND A HALF BUT I MOVED
TO, LIKE, SIX, SEVEN SHELTERS,
BECAUSE APPROXIMATELY THE TIME
IS EITHER FOUR MONTHS OR SIX
MONTHS AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE
LESS THAN THAT, AND THEY GIVE
YOU, LIKE, FOOD TWO TIMES A DAY
AND THEY GIVE YOU CLOTHES
DONATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

Steve says SO THEY GOT YOU
THROUGH IT, THOSE SHELTERS GOT
YOU THROUGH IT?

Maimoona says YEAH.

Steve says YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH
IT, HAVEN'T YOU?
YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE
WRINGER AND YET YOU SEEM LIKE A
PRETTY TERRIFIC,
WELL-PUT-TOGETHER PERSON.
HOW DID YOU GET THROUGH ALL THAT?

Maimoona says IT WAS
PRETTY DIFFICULT.
WHEN I LEFT HOME BECAUSE OF
ABUSE AND EVERYTHING, I STILL
HAVE BAD ANXIETY, I HAVE PTSD, I
USED TO HAVE DEPRESSION, BUT I
GOT THROUGH IT WITH, LIKE, LOTS
OF HELP.
I WANTED TO GIVE UP, BUT I GOT
LOTS OF COUNSELLING.
I HAVE BEEN GETTING TRAUMA
COUNSELLING FOR THE PAST THREE
YEARS, AND IT HAS BEEN AMAZING
HELP, LIKE SHELTERS AND EVEN I
KNOW, LIKE, JUST SOME PEOPLE,
32 dollars MIGHT BE LIKE, OH, THAT'S
NOTHING.
BUT THAT WAS EVERYTHING TO ME
BECAUSE THAT HELPED ME, LIKE,
YOU KNOW, KEEP MYSELF, LIKE, IN
PLACE.
SO, YEAH, SHELTERS HAVE HELPED A
LOT.

Steve says HAVE YOU SEEN YOUR
FATHER AT ALL SINCE YOU LEFT THE HOUSE?

Maimoona says I HAVE SEEN
MY FATHER TWICE.
I ACTUALLY WENT HOME WHEN, LIKE,
I ACTUALLY ENDED UP GOING HOME
BECAUSE SOME SHELTERS SAY THAT
IF YOU'RE NOT GOING THROUGH AN
ABUSIVE SITUATION RIGHT AT THE
MOMENT, THEY CAN'T TAKE YOU IN,
AND THAT LED ME TO GOING BACK TO
MY FATHER FOR A NIGHT.
AND IT WAS REALLY BAD BECAUSE HE
WAS NOT UNDERSTANDING AND THEN
THE NEXT DAY HE STARTED YELLING
AT ME THAT I WAS ACTUALLY
DIAGNOSED WITH A SERIOUS HEART
CONDITION BACK IN 2014.

Steve says YOU WERE?

Maimoona says YEAH.
MY MOM HAD THE SAME ONE AND SHE
PASSED AWAY IN 2010.
BUT I TOLD HIM THAT SINCE I DID
NOT HAVE MONEY... WHEN I LEFT
HOME, I ALSO DID NOT HAVE MY
STATUS IN CANADA, SO I HAD LIKE
NO BANK ACCOUNT, I COULDN'T
WORK, LIKE...

Steve says OKAY...

Maimoona says NO HEALTH
COVERAGE.

Steve says TELL ME THIS STORY
HAS A HAPPIER ENDING.
ARE YOU SETTLED SOMEWHERE NOW?

Maimoona says YEAH.

Steve says YOU HAVE A REAL HOME
NOW?

Maimoona says YES.

Steve says HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?

Maimoona says SO THE LAST
SHELTER I WENT TO, THERE WAS A
WORKER THERE.
I TALKED TO HER AND I TOLD HER
THAT I'M SO TIRED OF LIVING IN
SHELTERS, I JUST WANT, YOU KNOW,
IT JUST FEELS LIKE, YOU KNOW,
I'M HERE ONE DAY AND THE NEXT IT
FEELS LIKE I WON'T HAVE A ROOF
ON TOP OF MY HEAD.
IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.
SO SHE GOT WE CONNECTED TO
360kids AND I WAS PRETTY
NERVOUS TO, LIKE, COME AND,
LIKE, LEAVE THE HOUSE AND, YOU
KNOW, I MEAN LEAVE THE SHELTER
AND COME.
BUT SINCE I CAME TO 360kids,
IT HELPED ME A LOT.

Steve says SO YOU KNOW THIS GUY
HERE?

Maimoona says YES.

Steve says LET THE RECORD SHOW
MICHAEL BRAITHWAITE IS AN
AMAZING GUY.
LET'S PUT SOME MORE STATS OUT
HERE BEFORE WE GET EVERYBODY
ELSE IN THIS CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING ALL THOSE
VERY PERSONAL DETAILS OF YOUR
LIFE BUT IT'S REALLY GOING TO
HELP US ALL UNDERSTAND THIS.

Maimoona says YOU'RE WELCOME.

A slate appears on screen, with the title "Ontario unemployment, April 2016."

Steve says WE INDICATED THE
PROVINCE-WIDE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE
IS 7 percent WHICH IS ROUGHLY THE SAME
AS THE NATIONAL UNEMPLOYMENT
RATE BUT YOUTH UNEMPLOYMENT IS
MORE THAN TWICE AS HIGH IN THIS
PROVINCE AND IF YOU WANT TO
CONSIDER HOMELESS YOUTH, WE'RE
TALKING 77 percent UNEMPLOYMENT RATE
RIGHT NOW.
JESSE, THIS IS I SUSPECT A
FAIRLY OBVIOUS QUESTION TO
ANSWER BUT LET'S DO IT JUST TO
GET IT ON THE RECORD.
WHY IS IT SO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT
FOR A YOUNG PERSON WHO DOESN'T
HAVE SOMEWHERE TO LIVE TO GET A
JOB THAN SOMEONE WHO DOES?

The caption changes to "Help wanted."

Jesse says THIS IS AN
OBVIOUS ANSWER BUT HOUSING.
IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET UP AND GO
TO WORK EVERY MORNING AND MAKE
YOUR LUNCH AND TAKE TRANSIT
WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE STABLE
HOUSING, YOU DON'T HAVE THE
SUPPORTS AROUND YOU.
THAT'S ONE ISSUE.
THE OTHER I THINK IS STIGMA.
SO THE MEDIA-GENERATED PORTRAYAL
UNFORTUNATELY OFTEN OF HOMELESS
YOUTH IS AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED,
THE SORT OF BAD KID STEREOTYPE
AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
SO I THINK YOUTH ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT DISCLOSING THEIR STATUS AS
SORT OF A HOMELESS PERSON OR IF
THEY'VE EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS
IN THE PAST AND THAT CAN BE
REALLY DIFFICULT, TO FIGHT THAT
STIGMA.

Steve says LET'S GET SOME MORE
WISDOM AROUND THE TABLE HERE
FROM THE EXPERIENCES.
PAUL, HireUP IS WHAT?

The caption changes to "Paul Klein. HireUP."

Paul says HireUP IS THE WORLD'S FIRST
JOB PORTAL TO CONNECT HOMELESS
YOUTH WITH EMPLOYMENT.
HireUP WAS DEVELOPED, THE
LAUNCH WAS IN 2015, WITH OUR
COMPANY IMPACT WITH THE SUPPORT
OF THE HOME DEPOT CANADA
FOUNDATION AND WORKOPOLIS AND
SINCE THEN WE HAVE CREATED A
NATIONAL SOCIAL ENTERPRISE
FOCUSED ON YOUTH EMPLOYMENT.
WE HAVE 22 YOUTH-SERVING
ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE PARTNERS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING
360kids, IF YOU'RE IN TORONTO.
AND WE HAVE I THINK SEVEN OR
EIGHT NOW NATIONAL EMPLOYERS,
INCLUDING HOME DEPOT, NORDSTROM,
TD, SCOTIABANK, WAL-MART, AND
OTHERS.

Steve says THESE ARE COMPANIES
WHO HIRE HOMELESS KIDS?

Paul says IT'S JUST
STARTED.
ALL THOSE COMPANIES I HAVE
MENTIONED HAVE POSTED JOBS ON
HireUP.
SO OUR OBJECTIVE FOR THE CURRENT
YEAR, 2016, ITS FIRST YEAR, IS
TO HAVE 180 JOBS CREATED ACROSS
CANADA FOR YOUTH WHO HAVE
EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS.

Steve says DO YOU THINK YOU'RE
GOING TO GET THERE?

Paul says I CERTAINLY DO.
WE'RE JUST AT THE BEGINNING NOW,
BUT IT'S ALREADY STARTED.
YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER... THE
LEADERSHIP OF THESE COMPANIES
HAS SHOWN EXTRAORDINARY, OF
COURSE, THEY ALL HIRE MANY, MANY
PEOPLE EVERY YEAR, BUT I THINK
THE REMARKABLE THING HERE IS
THIS IS SOCIAL CHANGE THROUGH
HIRING.
SO ANY PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN HIRE
WHO HAVE HAD THIS EXPERIENCE, OF
COURSE IS TRANSFORMATIONAL FOR
THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND HELPS AT A
SOCIAL LEVEL IN A MUCH BROADER
WAY AS WELL.

Steve says MICHAEL, YOU JOINED
THIS, YES?

Michael says ABSOLUTELY.

Steve says WHAT APPEALED TO YOU
ABOUT IT?

The caption changes to "Michael Braithwaite. 360º Kids."

Michael says FOR A
KID JUST WALKING INTO AN
EMPLOYER, THAT MIGHT NOT WORK
OUT SO WELL.
THEY NEED A BIT OF AN EDGE.
WITH HireUP THAT'S WHAT THEY
GET.
EMPLOYERS ABSOLUTELY KNOW WHAT
THEY'RE GETTING INTO, THEY'RE
LOOKING TO HELP OUR KIDS, EMPLOY
OUR KIDS, AND OUR KIDS KNOW
GOING IN THAT STIGMA WON'T BE
ATTACHED TO THEM.
EMPLOYERS ARE GOING TO ACCEPT
THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE AND
THEY'LL HAVE A SHOT AT GETTING AJOB.

Steve says DO YOU TEACH SKILLS
TO THE HOMELESS KIDS ON HOW TO
GET WORK AND HOW TO KEEP JOBS
AND THAT KIND OF THING?

Michael says ALONG
WITH ALL THE AGENCIES THAT PAUL
IS TALKING ABOUT, WE DO TEACH
THEM.
IT'S LIKE EACH INDIVIDUAL KID
COMES WITH THEIR OWN AGENT,
RIGHT?
SO WE TEACH THEM CONFLICT
MANAGEMENT, WE TEACH THEM TIME
MANAGEMENT, AND IF AN EMPLOYER
HAS AN ISSUE, THEY CAN COME BACK
TO US AND SAY, CAN YOU HELP ME
OUT?
AND WORK WITH THIS YOUTH TO WORK
THROUGH IT INSTEAD OF WHAT
NORMALLY COULD HAPPEN WHERE
THEY'RE LET GO.

Steve says I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU
FROM THE SOUNDS OF WHAT YOUR
LIFE WAS LIKE, LIVING FOR WEEK
AFTER WEEK AFTER WEEK ON 33
BUCKS A WEEK, YOU KNOW HOW TO
BUDGET, DON'T YOU?

Maimoona says I DO.

Steve says THAT'S ONE SKILL YOU
PROBABLY DIDN'T NEED TO TEACH
HER, I'M GUESSING.

Michael says FOR A
LOT OF KIDS THEY'RE NOT USED TO
HAVING 33 dollars WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE
IT.
WHEN THEY DO COME INTO MONEY,
AND YOU CAN'T BLAME THEM, THEY
WANT TO GO OUT AND CELEBRATE AND
DO THINGS NORMAL PEOPLE DO,
RIGHT?
SO WE DO HAVE TO HELP THEM
BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE TO PAY
RENT.
WHEN YOU'RE IN A SHELTER, YOU'RE
NOT PAYING RENT.
IF YOU WANT TO GET HOUSING, YOU
HAVE TO BUDGET FOR RENT AND FOOD
AND DIFFERENT COSTS, SO WE'RE
TEACHING THEM THOSE LIFE SKILLS.

Steve says WHY DID YOU GET
INVOLVED?

says I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON
SOMETHING THAT JESSE AND MICHAEL
SAID.
THE STIGMA.
I SEE IT, BUT THIS YOUNG LADY IS
THE NORM, REALLY IS THE NORM.

Steve says IN WHAT RESPECT?

The caption changes to "Sean Gayland. The Local Gest."

Sean says INTELLIGENT,
WELL-SPOKEN, YOU KNOW, NOT
HOMELESS BECAUSE OF CHOICE, AND
BY WORKING WITH COVENANT HOUSE
AND THEIR COOKING FOR LIFE
PROGRAM, I'VE HAD TWO YOUNG
PEOPLE IN OUR RESTAURANT AND THE
FIRST ONE HAS MOVED ON TO HIGHER
EDUCATION AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
TORONTO AND THE SECOND YOUNG LAD
IS ACTUALLY STILL WITH US.
WE HIRED HIM ON AFTER HIS
PLACEMENT ENDED, GAVE HIM A
RAISE.

Steve says WHAT DID HE DO FOR
YOU?

Sean says HE'S
PRIMARILY DISHWASHER AND PREP,
BUT HE'S JUST SO EAGER TO LEARN.
HE'S JUST A WONDERFUL KID TO
HAVE ON STAFF.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T LOOK AT HIM AS
BEING ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OF
THE OTHER STAFF THAT WE HAVE.

Steve says I'M GUESSING THAT
MAKES YOU UNUSUAL BECAUSE,
AGAIN, I'M GOING TO... MY
SUSPICION IS THAT MOST EMPLOYERS
DON'T WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE ON A
HOMELESS YOUNG PERSON BECAUSE
THEY THINK THEY'RE NOT
RESPONSIBLE.

Sean says IT'S
TRAGICALLY UNFAIR, BECAUSE AS I
SAID, THIS IS THE NORM.
YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH...
GENERALLY YOU'RE DEALING WITH
PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR A
SECOND CHANCE.
I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT
I'M PROBABLY ON MY THIRD OR
FOURTH CHANCE, AND, YOU KNOW,
THEY ARE... THE INDIVIDUALS I'VE
MET ARE JUST SO HARD-WORKING AND
JUST TAKING SUCH GREAT PRIDE
THAT... I ALWAYS PREACH TO MY
STAFF, HAVE OWNERSHIP.
TAKE OWNERSHIP OF WHAT YOU DO.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE A BUSKER.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE A
DISHWASHER ALL YOUR LIFE.
BUT WHILE YOU'RE DOING IT, BE
THE BEST THAT YOU CAN.
AND THIS KID, HE REALLY DOES.
AND HE'S GOT A GREAT SMILE WHICH
JUST KILLS ME.

Steve says I DON'T WANT ANYBODY
TO MISUNDERSTAND THIS NEXT
QUESTION, I DON'T MEAN TO
STEREOTYPE IN ASKING THIS
QUESTION, BUT DO YOU THINK THAT
THE HOMELESS YOUTH THAT YOU HIRE
ACTUALLY LOVE AND CRAVE THAT JOB
MORE THAN, SAY, THE AVERAGE
MILLENNIAL MIGHT BECAUSE OF THE
SIGNIFICANCE IT REPRESENTS IN
THEIR LIFE?

Sean says HE'S THE ONLY
DISHWASHER I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN
ABLE TO KEEP AS A DISHWASHER.
I'VE GOT ANOTHER GREAT KID FROM
GANANOQUE AND HE COULDN'T GET
OUT OF THAT DISH PIT QUICKER.
ACTUALLY ENDED UP I THINK
PURPOSELY DOING IT BADLY.
SO I WOULD MOVE HIM ON TO THE
PREP AND THE COOK AND SO ON.
I DO AGREE WITH YOU, STEVE,
100 PERCENT.

Steve says MAIMOONA, TELL ME
WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW.
YOU HAVE A JOB NOW?

Maimoona says I JUST GOT
A JOB RECENTLY, LIKE A WEEK AGO,
AND IT'S 360 HEALTH.
I DID THE YOUTH JOBS CONNECTION
PROGRAM THEY HAVE AND TO FIND A
JOB IN THE PROGRAM WE WILL DO
RéSUMéS, COVER LETTER, JOB
TRAINING, AND EVERYTHING.
SO ONE OF THE WORKERS, COURTNEY,
SHE HELPED ME FIND A JOB.
SO I JUST STARTED THE JOB.
AND HONESTLY, LIKE, WHEN I WAS
LIVING IN SHELTERS, IT FELT LIKE
IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

Steve says WHAT'S THE JOB?

Maimoona says I WORK AT A
PLACE CALLED (unintelligible), SO WE
DO BIRTHDAY PARTIES FROM AGE 2
TO 16 OR 2 TO 12 MOST OF THE
TIME, AND WE DO MANICURE AND
PEDICURE.
DID I SAY IT RIGHT?

Steve says MANI, PEDI, RIGHT.
FOR THE KIDS?

Maimoona says YEAH.
WE WILL HAVE A MOVIE NIGHT AND
DO FACE MASKS AND MAKEUP AND DO
DIFFERENT HAIR STYLES ON THEM,
WHATEVER THEY WANT, PLAY SMALL
GAMES.

Steve says WHAT DO YOU THINK OF
THE JOB?

Maimoona says I REALLY
LIKE IT.
IT'S A FUN JOB.
PLUS I LOVE KIDS.
I LOVE WORKING WITH CHILDREN.
SO IT'S LIKE A PERFECT FIT FOR
ME.
YEAH.

Steve says HOW OLD ARE YOU NOW?

Maimoona says I AM 22.

Steve says HOW LONG DO YOU WANT
TO DO IT FOR?

Maimoona says PROBABLY
NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS WHILE ON
THE SIDE, LIKE, I WANT TO DO,
LIKE, OTHER COURSES I CAN GET
INTO, LIKE A HIGHER JOB THAT
PAYS MORE.
I ALSO WANT TO BE AN
INTERPRETER.

Steve says YOU KNOW FOUR
LANGUAGES?
ENGLISH.
WHAT ELSE?

Maimoona says ENGLISH,
URDU, PUNJABI, HINDI.

Steve says DID YOU FINISH HIGH
SCHOOL?

Maimoona says I DID.

Steve says ARE YOU INTERESTED
IN GOING TO HIGHER EDUCATION?

Maimoona says YES.
I WANT TO GO TO COLLEGE AND I
WANT TO GO TO UNIVERSITY.

Steve says TO DO WHAT?

Maimoona says I AM STILL
LOOKING INTO IT.
LIKE, MY OPTIONS THAT I THINK OF
IS, LIKE, MAYBE BUSINESS
MANAGEMENT OR SOCIAL WORKER
BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE MANY
WOMEN FROM MY CULTURE, PRETTY
MUCH ANY CULTURE GOING THROUGH
THE ABUSE THAT I HAVE BEEN
THROUGH.

Steve says LET ME ASK YOU TO
PUT YOUR LIFE ON A SCALE OF 1 TO
10.
LET'S SAY 1 WAS AFTER YOU FIRST
LEFT YOUR FATHER'S HOME AND
YOU'RE LIVING IN THE STREETS AND
EVENTUALLY A SHELTER AND YOU
THINK IT'S HOPELESS.

Maimoona says YEAH.

Steve says WHERE ARE YOU RIGHT
NOW ON THAT SCALE?

Maimoona says 9.5.

Steve says REALLY?

Maimoona says YEAH.
I'M REALLY HAPPY.

Steve says THAT'S GREAT.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY
PEOPLE IN OUR SOCIETY HAVE A 9.5 LIFE?

Paul says I WISH I COULD SAY THAT.

Steve says NO KIDDING.
I THINK VERY FEW.
I THINK YOU'RE DOING AWESOME IF
THAT'S THE CASE.

Maimoona says MY
EXPERIENCE AND EVERYTHING MADE
ME APPRECIATE EVERYTHING A LOT
MORE AND TAKE THINGS SERIOUSLY
AND TAKE MY LIFE MORE SERIOUSLY.
LIKE JUST BE THANKFUL FOR
EVERYTHING I HAVE.
ALSO PEOPLE MIGHT LOOK AT ME AND
SAY, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH
MONEY, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF
THIS.
BUT SOME PEOPLE DREAM TO LIVE MY
LIFE.
SO I'M VERY HAPPY AND I'M VERY
GLAD I HAVE EVERYTHING THAT I
WISH FOR.
LIKE, I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH
MY LIFE.

Steve says GOOD FOR YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS.

Maimoona says THANK YOU.

Steve says HOW DO WE, JESSE,
DEAL WITH THE STIGMA OF HOMELESS
YOUTH TRYING TO GET A JOB AND
WHEN THEY ASK FOR THE ADDRESS
AND YOU REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO
PUT DOWN THERE, HOW DO WE GET
EMPLOYERS TO CHANGE THEIR MIND
SET AROUND THAT PROBLEM?

Jesse says WELL, I
THINK HireUP IS A GREAT
EXAMPLE AND THE CONVERSATIONS
LIKE THESE ARE A GREAT EXAMPLE
BECAUSE REALLY YOUTH WHO HAVE
EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS THEY
HAVE A VAST RANGE OF SKILLS AND
ABILITIES, AND THE ONLY THING
THAT BRINGS THEM TOGETHER AS A
GROUP IS THE EXPERIENCE OF
HOMELESSNESS.
THEY HAVE A TON OF SKILLS TO
BRING TO EMPLOYMENT.
GETTING EMPLOYERS TO RECOGNIZE
THAT AND THEN CHAMPIONING IT.
SO GETTING EMPLOYERS, SOME OF
THE BIG EMPLOYERS THAT PAUL
NAMED, TO COME OUT AND SAY WE'RE
COMMITTED TO THIS AND WE
RECOGNIZE THAT THESE STEREOTYPES
AND THIS STIGMA IS NOT TRUE AND
THESE ARE ALL WONDERFUL
EMPLOYEES THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE
TO BUILD A BUSINESS ON.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME.

Paul says I AGREE
ABSOLUTELY WITH WHAT JESSE SAID.
I THINK THERE'S ALSO A
TIMELINESS TO ALL THIS STUFF,
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF
ACTIVITY IN THIS AREA THAT I
THINK IS LEADING UP TO SOME
MAJOR CHANGES.
I THINK HireUP IS KIND OF
UNCOVERING WHAT WAS ALREADY
STARTING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY, WHICH
IS ON THE PART OF EMPLOYERS...
NOT JUST EMPLOYERS LIKE SEAN,
WHERE IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING TO
SOME EXTENT, NOT ENOUGH, BUT IN
THE LARGER EMPLOYERS WHERE
THERE'S A PRIORITY ON BEING
SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AND PUTTING
A PRIORITY ON DIVERSITY AND
INCLUSIVE HIRING AND SO ON, SO
THEY HAD... THOSE WORDS WERE
THERE, BUT THE ACTIONS WEREN'T,
AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE I THINK
AS A GROUP REALLY ARE TRYING TO
DO IS TO HELP THEM ACTUALLY LIVE
INTO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND CREATE
A TOOL WHERE THEY CAN HIRE
PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THIS
EXPERIENCE.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE
LEARNED THAT WAS REMARKABLE, IT
ALSO SHOWS A BIT OF OUR OWN
BIAS, I THINK WHEN WE WERE GOING
INTO THIS, WE DIDN'T KNOW THE
BREADTH OF THE KIND OF JOBS THAT
WOULD BE AVAILABLE, BUT YOU KNOW
WHAT?
PEOPLE LIKE TD OR SCOTIABANK,
OTHERS, HOME DEPOT, HAVE JOBS
POSTED, JOBS FOR TELLERS, JOBS
FOR POSITIONS THAT ARE NOT JUST
LIKE A MANUAL LABOUR JOB.
THESE ARE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW,
VERY IMPORTANT JOBS.
IT'S ALL IMPORTANT.

Steve says SURE.
SEAN, DOES AN EMPLOYER HAVE TO
CUT A HOMELESS KID MORE SLACK IN
THE WORKPLACE?

Sean says NO.

Steve says NO?

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Sean says NO.
NOT AT ALL.
PAUL MENTIONED THAT... NOT
ENOUGH.
I'D LIKE TO SAY HONESTLY, TAKE A
CHANCE.
THESE KIDS DESERVE A CHANCE, AND
I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF LUCKY IN
THE EXPERIENCE THAT I'VE HAD.
I HONESTLY DO THINK IT IS THE
NORM AND THE STIGMA SHOULD BE
OVERLOOKED.
BUT, NO, YOUR PRODUCER ASKED ME
IF I TREATED THE YOUNG MAN WITH
US ANY DIFFERENTLY, AND
ORIGINALLY I SAID NO, AND THEN I
THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND I WAS,
LIKE, WELL, WHEN WE DO BIG
PARTIES AND HAVE EXTRA FOOD LEFT
OVER, HE DOES GET A LITTLE MORE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, HE REALLY IS...
HE'S JUST PART OF OUR STAFF.

Steve says AGAIN, LET ME GO
THROUGH THE STEREOTYPES HERE.
THE ASSUMPTION WILL BE, HE'S NOT
RELIABLE TO SHOW UP ON TIME.

Sean says HE'S THERE
EVERY DAY.
NEVER LATE.

Steve says HE MAY WANT TO CUT
OUT AT 2:30 ON A FRIDAY.

Sean says NOT ONCE.

Steve says DRUG OR ALCOHOL
ABUSE?

Sean says MAYBE IN HIS
PAST.

Steve says NOT ANYMORE.

Sean says NOT ANYMORE.

Steve says WAS THAT EVER
SOMETHING THAT WAS OF CONCERN TO
YOU?

Sean says NO.
HE'S WITH A WONDERFUL PROGRAM
WITH COVENANT HOUSE.
THEY TAKE CARE OF, YOU KNOW...
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HELPING EACH
OTHER OUT.
SO, NO.
IT WASN'T.
IT WASN'T REALLY A FACTOR.
ACTUALLY, I JUST ASKED HIM ON
MONDAY IF HE COULD PICK UP
FRIDAY, AND WITHOUT HESITATION
AND A BIG SMILE, "YES, I CAN."

Steve says JESSE?

Jesse says SEAN SAID
SOMETHING, IMPLICIT WHAT YOU
SAID, HE'S WORKING WITH COVENANT
HOUSE, YOU WORK WITH YOUTH WHEN
THEY'RE GETTING EMPLOYMENT, SO,
NO, IT'S NOT THE EMPLOYER'S
RESPONSIBILITY TO GO ABOVE AND
BEYOND AND PROVIDE THINGS AN
EMPLOYER WOULDN'T PROVIDE TO HIS
OTHER EMPLOYEES.
THAT'S WHY THIS PROGRAM IS
IMPORTANT, BEING CONNECTED TO A
YOUTH ORGANIZATION THAT CAN HELP
WITH SOME OF THE JOB READINESS,
WHO CAN HELP WITH TRANSPORT, WHO
CAN HELP WITH HOUSING.
THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS
PARTNERSHIP AND THAT'S WHAT
HireUP LEVERAGES IS SO
IMPORTANT.

Steve says MICHAEL, YOU WANTED
TO ADD?

The caption changes to "Michael Braithwaite, @mbraithwaite72"

Michael says THESE
ARE NOT PERFECT KIDS.
THERE IS NO PERFECT KID, RIGHT?
THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE MISTAKES.
I'VE MADE TEN TODAY ALREADY,
RIGHT?
BUT WHEN THEY DO MAKE THOSE
MISTAKES, WE ARE LOOKING FOR
EMPLOYERS THAT ARE WILLING TO
WORK WITH US, TO STEP BACK AND
SAY, OKAY.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU LIVE ROUGH ON
THE STREET, IMAGINE 18, 20
YEARS, YOU GO THROUGH ABUSE.
THAT DOES HAVE AN EFFECT ON
YOURSELF, SLEEPING ROUGH ON YOUR
MENTAL HEALTH.
WE DO AN EVENT WHERE WE HAVE
ADULTS SIMULATE SCENARIOS OF
KIDS, ONE NIGHT, PAUL DID THIS A
COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, ONE NIGHT
OF BEING ON THE STREET AND NO
SLEEP, AND THEY'RE A DISASTER
THE NEXT DAY.
IMAGINE DOING THAT NIGHT AFTER
NIGHT AFTER NIGHT.
YOU DON'T SLEEP WELL IN A
SHELTER.
DON'T CUT THEM SLACK BUT YOU
HAVE TO HAVE UNDERSTANDING.
THAT'S WHERE THE AGENCIES COME
IN, AS JESSE WAS SAYING, TO WORK
WITH THE KIDS, WORK AROUND THEM.
SAYING IT'S NOT OKAY.
WE NEED YOU TO SHOW UP ON TIME
AND HERE'S WHY.

Steve says PAUL, TELL ME ABOUT
THAT EXPERIENCE.
YOU TRIED IT FOR A NIGHT?

Paul says I DID.
MICHAEL ASKED ME TO DO IT, AND
IT WAS ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS
I'VE EVER DONE.

Steve says WHAT DID YOU DO?

Paul says THEY HAVE THIS
INCREDIBLE EVENT, 360 EXPERIENCE
AND IT'S IN YORK REGION AND YOU
START OUT AND YOU'RE GIVEN A
DESTINATION IN YORK REGION, AND
I THINK TWO BUS TICKETS AND 5 dollars
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I CAN'T
REMEMBER IF THAT'S RIGHT.
ANYWAY, IT WAS SO ILLUSTRATIVE
OF THE PROBLEM IN YORK REGION
BECAUSE OUR DESTINATION WAS TO
GET TO A YOUTH SHELTER, WHICH
WAS REALLY FAR AWAY, AND IN YORK
REGION THERE'S A BUS THAT GOES
UP YONGE STREET, AND 360kids
IS LOCATED RIGHT ON YONGE
STREET, RIGHT ON THAT BUS LINE.
BUT THE SHELTERS ARE A LONG,
LONG WAY EAST OR WEST OF YONGE
STREET.
SO WE WENT UP THERE AS FAR AS
THE BUS WENT AND THEN WE HAD TO
WALK... I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS IN
MARCH, I THINK, IT WAS LIKE -25.
I THINK WE HAD TO WALK FOR TWO
HOURS OR TWO AND A HALF HOURS TO
GET TO THE SHELTER.
SO WE REALLY EXPERIENCED THE
LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE
PROBLEMS THAT YOUTH HAVE.

Steve says WHAT WAS THE SHELTER
LIKE WHEN YOU GOT THERE?

Paul says WELL, IT'S
CALLED THE BLUE DOOR, I THINK.
IT WAS VERY SMALL LITTLE HOUSE,
YOU KNOW, WITH SOME YOUTH IN IT.
NOTHING FANCY AT ALL.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING
OF... WHAT I LEARNED WHEN I WAS
THERE, TO YOUR POINT, THEY SAID
TO ME, BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT IT, AND THEY SAID EVERY
SINGLE YOUTH THAT COMES IN HERE,
IT'S LIKE SOLVING A UNIQUE
PROBLEM.
LIKE, WHERE THAT YOUTH HAS COME
FROM, WHAT THAT YOUTH NEEDS, YOU
KNOW, THE TRAJECTORY AFTERWARDS,
HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO
GET BACK TO WORK OR GO TO
SCHOOL, SO ON.
BUT, YEAH, I MEAN, AS I SAID, I
WAS WIPED OUT FOR ABOUT 2 DAYS
AFTERWARDS AND I COULDN'T
IMAGINE HAVING TO GO TO WORK OR
GO TO SCHOOL AFTER THAT.

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Steve says JESSE, LET ME ASK
YOU ABOUT PROTOCOL HERE.
IF SEAN HAS SOMEBODY WHO IS A
HOMELESS KID WORKING IN HIS
RESTAURANT.

Jesse says SURE.

Steve says WHAT'S THE
ADVISABILITY ON WAITERS AND
WAITRESSES AT THE RESTAURANT
KNOWING THAT, CUSTOMERS KNOWING
THAT, MANAGERS KNOWING THAT?

Jesse says ABSOLUTELY
NOT.
I THINK JUST AS I HAVE MY OWN
PERSONAL THINGS THAT MY EMPLOYER
DOESN'T DISCLOSE TO THE REST OF
MY COLLEAGUES, THEN HOUSING
STATUS, THAT WOULD ALSO APPLY.
ONE THING I WOULD MENTION,
THOUGH, I THINK IN SOME
INSTANCES YOU TALK TO THE YOUTH
ON WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE TO
DISCLOSE TO THEIR DIRECT
SUPERVISOR, IS THERE GOING TO BE
A REASON THAT THE DIRECT
SUPERVISOR KNOWS, AND OF COURSE
SEAN KNOWS ABOUT THE YOUTH HE
SPOKE ABOUT, HIS HOUSING
SITUATION.
SO THERE ARE INSTANCES, BUT, NO,
I THINK YOU'RE GIVEN THE SAME
COURTESY AS YOU WOULD ANY OTHER
EMPLOYEE.

Sean says COULDN'T
AGREE WITH YOU ANYMORE.
HE'S PART OF OUR STAFF.

Steve says WHO ELSE KNOWS,
SEAN, BESIDES YOU AT THE
RESTAURANT.

Sean says NOW,
EVERYBODY.
THIS IS IMPORTANT TO US.
AND THIS IS OUR SECOND YOUNG
PERSON.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS...
BECAUSE YOU GET AN INTERVIEW
WITH THE PERSON BEFORE THEY COME
INTO THE RESTAURANT, AND THAT
WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I CLEARED
WITH HIM, IF IT WAS OKAY IF I
LET PEOPLE KNOW.
YOU KNOW, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE
SHAME OF IT.
HE'S IMPROVING HIS LIFE.
SO WHY SHOULD HE HAVE SHAME?

Steve says WHERE DOES HE
ACTUALLY LIVE?

Sean says RIGHT NOW
HE'S TEMPORARILY PLACED AT
COVENANT HOUSE.
IT'S TEMPORARY.

Steve says MICHAEL, LET ME
BRING YOU IN ON THIS.
THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT HAS SAID
THAT IT HAS A COMMITMENT TO
ENDING CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS, BY
WHICH THEY DEFINE PEOPLE
HOMELESS AS 6 MONTHS OR MORE OF
THE PAST YEAR.
IN 10 YEARS, THEY WANT TO,
WITHIN 10 YEARS, HAVE AN END TO
ALL OF THAT.
IS THAT A REALISTIC GOAL?

The caption changes to "A roof over their heads."

Michael says I THINK IT IS.
I MEAN, THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF IT
IN MEDICINE HAT.
I THINK... IT'S HOW WE THINK OF
IT TOO.
ENDING HOMELESSNESS MIGHT MEAN
FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO AND
NEEDS A PLACE, THERE IS A PLACE,
A SAFE AND AFFORDABLE PLACE TO
CALL HOME.

Steve says YOU MENTIONED
MEDICINE HAT.
WHAT DO THEY DO OUT THERE?

Michael says WELL,
AS A TOWN, THEY DID EXACTLY WHAT
I SAID, THEY MADE AVAILABLE
SPACES FOR PEOPLE, IF YOU NEEDED
HOUSING, HOUSING AFFORDABLE AND
SAFE IS MADE AVAILABLE AND THE
SERVICES AROUND IT TO KEEP THAT
HOUSING AS WELL.
IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

Steve says IN MEDICINE HAT,
ALBERTA, ADMITTEDLY NOT TORONTO,
ONTARIO, BUT MEDICINE HAT,
ALBERTA, THEY HAVE BASICALLY
ENDED HOMELESSNESS?
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
THAT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF IT
AS WELL?

Michael says THAT'S
MY UNDERSTANDING.
ONE OF THE KEYS, WE TALK ABOUT
ENDING HOMELESSNESS IS WE'RE
VERY HEAVY ON THE RESPONSE AND
EMERGENCY RESPONSE BUT WE'RE
VERY LIGHT ON PREVENTING IT FROM
HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE,
AND THAT'S THE KEY TO DOING
THAT.
WE'RE GETTING BETTER.
THERE'S EXAMPLES IN AUSTRALIA,
UPSTREAM PROGRAM, WHERE THEY
ACTUALLY GO INTO SCHOOLS AND
THEY ADMINISTER A SURVEY AND OUT
OF THAT SURVEY THEY CAN SEE
EARLY SIGNS OF WHAT MIGHT RESULT
IN THEM DROPPING OUT OR BECOMING
HOMELESS AND THEY ADDRESSED
THOSE SIGNS.
AND THEY'VE SEEN SHELTERS CLEAR
OUT.
IT'S A GREAT WAY OF DOING THAT.
BECAUSE NO KID SHOULD EVER HAVE
TO BE HOMELESS, EVER SEND A
NIGHT ON THE STREET.

Steve says I'M JUST ASSUMING,
PAUL, IF YOU CAN GET A KID OFF
THE STREETS, THE HEALTH CARE
COSTS ARE LOWER, THE SOCIAL
SERVICE COSTS ARE LOWER, SO IT'S
IN THE CITIZENS' AND THE
GOVERNMENT'S INTERESTS TO MAKE
THAT HAPPEN.
SO IS IT HAPPENING?

Paul says WELL, NOT
ENOUGH, I DON'T THINK, NOT
NEARLY ENOUGH.
I'M A BIT MORE SKEPTICAL THAN
YOU ARE, I THINK, IN TERMS OF
WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR HERE IN
ONTARIO.
WHAT WE KNOW IS THERE ARE THREE
INGREDIENTS TO THIS: ONE IS, OF
COURSE, HOUSING, AND THERE'S NOT
ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I
THINK... WHAT WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT, THERE'S SOMETIMES A WAIT
OF 10 TO 15 YEARS, I BELIEVE, IN
CERTAIN AREAS FOR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
THE OTHER PIECE IS EDUCATION.
YOU KNOW, SO YOUTH WHO HAVE HAD
THIS EXPERIENCE HAVE TO HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO SCHOOL, AND
THAT ISN'T HAPPENING ENOUGH
BECAUSE THAT'S RELATED TO A LACK
OF HOUSING.
AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE, OF
COURSE, IS EMPLOYMENT.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OF THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND THE OTHER PART
OF IT IS THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS
WE KNOW IS THAT IF... THAT'S A
GREAT... IT'S A GREAT STATEMENT,
ENDING CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS IN
10 YEARS.
BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE KNOW
THAT IT HAS TO FOCUS ON YOUTH
BECAUSE ONCE SOMEONE HAS BEEN
LIVING ROUGH, BEEN ON THE STREET
FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S VERY
HARD TO STOP.

Steve says AGAIN, I'M INFERRING
HERE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE LIKED
TO HAVE SEEN MORE SUPPORT FROM
THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT FOR THESE
EFFORTS.
ARE YOU SEEING IT?

Paul says NO, WE HAVEN'T
SEEN ANY SUPPORT FROM THE
GOVERNMENT SO FAR.

Steve says AND YOU'D LIKE TO?

Paul says WELL, YOU
WONDER WHY THREE BUSINESSES HAVE
ADDRESSED... OR ARE ATTEMPTING
TO ADDRESS A PROBLEM THAT THIS
GOVERNMENT HAS SAID IS A
PRIORITY AND... WE DON'T
ACTUALLY NEED THEIR SUPPORT.
WE'RE DOING IT ANYWAY.
BUT IT DOES MAKE YOU ASK THE
QUESTION.

Steve says JESSE, HOW ABOUT
HOUSING FIRST IN MEDICINE HAT,
ALBERTA?
I DO WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS
BETTER.
HOW HAVE THEY MANAGED TO
BASICALLY END HOMELESSNESS
THERE?

Jesse says I WON'T
SPEAK TO MEDICINE HAT PHILOSOPHY
FIRST BUT I WILL GENERALLY
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT
AND TOPICAL.
FOR A LONG TIME WE HAD THIS
PHILOSOPHY ON ENDING
HOMELESSNESS THAT PEOPLE HAD TO
BE READY.
YOU HAD TO HAVE EMPLOYMENT AND
DEAL WITH MENTAL HEALTH
ILLNESSES AND HAVE YOUR DUCKS IN
A ROW AND YOU WERE GRANTED
HOUSING.
NOW WE REALIZE, WAIT A MINUTE,
THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
HOW CAN PEOPLE WORK ON THINGS
THEY NEED TO BE WORKING ON
WITHOUT STABLE HOUSING AND
KNOWING WHERE THEY'RE SLEEPING?
IT FLIPS IT AROUND AND SAYS HOUSING IS THE FIRST STEP AND
THEN AS PEOPLE WANT TO, AND I
THINK CHOICE IS A REALLY
IMPORTANT PART OF HOUSING FIRST,
THEN WE'LL WORK ON SOME OTHER
GOALS LIKE EMPLOYMENT AND
WHATEVER FITS THAT PERSON'S
NEEDS.
SO IT'S A SIMPLE SHIFT BUT I
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

Steve says IT SEEMS SO OBVIOUS
ON THE FACE OF IT.
YOU WONDER WHY IT TOOK SO LONG
FOR PEOPLE TO COME UP WITH THAT?

Jesse says YOU WONDER.

[Laughter]

Steve says OKAY, I DO WONDER.
CAN I GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD
HERE?
GOING FORWARD, WHAT DO YOU
THINK?
HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE A DENT
IN THIS PROGRAM GOING FORWARD?
YOU LIVED IT.
GIVE US YOUR EXPERT ADVICE ON
THIS NOW HAVING LIVED IT.

Maimoona says FIRST I
AGREE WITH HER, HOW SHE SAID
FIRST WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING
AND THEN WE CAN WORK ON OTHER
THINGS AROUND.
IT WAS THE SAME THING WITH ME
WHEN I WAS LIVING IN SHELTERS, I
COULD NOT GET ANYTHING IN PLACE.
BUT ONCE I GOT INTO 360kids, I
GOT, LIKE, PRETTY MUCH
EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO DO, AND
RIGHT NOW, LIKE, I SWEAR MY LIFE
WAS LIKE LITERALLY ALL OVER THE
PLACE.
ONCE I GOT INTO 360kids, I WAS
ABLE TO GET MY LIFE TOGETHER, I
WAS ABLE TO GET MY MENTAL HEALTH
AND, LIKE, MY HEALTH
ALL TOGETHER, SO IT REALLY
HELPED ME TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE GET
MY LIFE STRAIGHT AND REACH MY
GOALS.
AND GOING FORWARD, MY DREAM IS
TO GO TO COLLEGE AND THEN TO GO
TO UNIVERSITY AND GET A JOB AND
BE STABLE AND THEN I ALSO WANT
TO HELP, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE
HOMELESS PEOPLE AND, LIKE, YOUNG
WOMEN WHO GO THROUGH ABUSE AND
ALSO... IT WAS ALSO LIKE FORCED
MARRIAGE.
SO I ALSO WANT TO HELP WOMEN
INTO THAT TOO.

Steve says UNDERSTOOD.
AND YOUR VOICE MADE IT THROUGH
THE WHOLE PROGRAM.

Maimoona chuckles and says YEAH.

Steve says PRETTY GOOD, DESPITE
THE LARYNGITIS.
IF ANYBODY IS HAVING A BIRTHDAY
PARTY FOR 2 TO 11-YEAR-OLDS,
THEY SHOULD CALL YOU, I GUESS?
THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS NOW.

Maimoona says YES.

The caption changes to "Producer: Harrison Lowman, @harrisonlowman"

Steve says IT'S GREAT TO HAVE
YOU HERE TO SHINE A LIGHT ON A
SUBJECT THAT NEEDS A LOT MORE ATTENTION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH TO ALL OF YOU.

The guests all say THANK YOU.

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