Transcript: The Agenda at WGSI: Better Energy, Faster | Apr 25, 2016

Steve stands in a university auditorium, in front of a panel that reads "W.G.S.I., Waterloo Global Science Initiative." He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and striped blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "Indigenous power struggle. Tvo.org/current-affairs."

Steve says I WANT TO -- SHELDON,
CAN WE BRING
UP THIS NEXT GRAPHIC, BOARD 4?
TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING TO
GET RELIABLE ELECTRICITY TO
OFF-GRID COMMUNITIES.
HERE'S SOME MORE INFO FOR YOU.

A slate appears on screen, with the title "The tide turning?"

Steve reads from the slate and says
THE 2016 FEDERAL BUDGET INCLUDES
11.9 BILLION dollars IN INFRASTRUCTURE
SPENDING OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS
AND 8.4 BILLION dollars OVER THE NEXT 5
YEARS TO HELP BRING ABOUT WHAT
THEY'RE CALLING TRANSFORMATIONAL
CHANGE FOR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.
IN MARCH THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT
ANNOUNCED A 13 MILLION dollar
INVESTMENT IN TWO INITIATIVES TO
HELP INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES
COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE, INCLUDING
8 MILLION dollars TO HELP SWITCH FROM DIESEL.
I WANT TO ASK OUR GUESTS AT THE
FRONT -- JUDITH, I'LL START WITH
YOU FIRST -- DO YOU GET THE
SENSE THE TIDE IS TURNING IN
TERMS OF GETTING OFF-GRID
COMMUNITIES INTO SITUATIONS
WHERE THEY'VE GOT ACCESS TO
RELIABLE, CLEAN, AFFORDABLE POWER?

The caption changes to "Judith Sayers. University of Victoria."

Judith is in her fifties, with short brown hair. She's wearing glasses, a printed red and black shirt, and a silver necklace.

She says I DO.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THIS ALSO
COMES FROM LEADERSHIP AROUND THE
WORLD.
YOU KNOW, WE SAW AT THE PARIS
SUMMIT.
EVERYBODY CAME OUT, MAKING
COMMITMENTS TO 100 percent RENEWABLE
POWER IN THE WORLD.
IF WE DON'T ACT NOW, WE DON'T
ACT FAST, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE
ABLE TO SURVIVE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT POLITICAL
COMMITMENT AT THAT LEVEL IS
GOOD.
SO WE'RE SEEING IT REFLECTED
HERE, BUT WE MAY NEED MORE THAN
WHAT'S BEEN COMMITTED.

Steve says LET'S SEE IF
EVERYBODY ELSE IS AS OPTIMISTIC.
CHIEF DAY, HAS THE CORNER BEEN TURNED?

The caption changes to "Hope on the horizon?"
Then, it changes again to "Isadore Day. Chiefs of Ontario."

Isadore is in his late forties, with short gray hair and a soul patch. He's wearing a gray suit and blue shirt.

He says I HAVE CONDITIONAL OPTIMISM I
JUST WANT TO POINT OUT HERE,
STEVE.
I AS WELL FEEL CONFIDENT THAT
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MOVES MADE
BY BOTH THE FEDERAL AND
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT.
BUT WE RECENTLY SIGNED A
POLITICAL ACCORD LAST AUGUST
WITH THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT, AND
THE REASON WHY WE'VE DONE THAT,
STEVE, IS BECAUSE THE REAL
PROBLEM THAT EXISTS IS ONE OF
RELATIONSHIPS.
WHERE DO FIRST NATIONS FIT IN
TERMS OF THE DECISION-MAKING, IN
TERMS OF THE ABILITY TO PLAN OUR
OWN DESTINY FORWARD?
I NEED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE ARE
DEALING WITH ONE CULPRIT HERE
AND IT'S THE INDIAN ACT.
THIS IS CANADA'S APARTHEID.
THIS IS GOING TO BE THE CRUX OF
SOME MAJOR CHALLENGES THAT ARE
GOING TO EXIST IF WE DON'T START
DEALING WITH THE FACT THAT FIRST
NATIONS NEED SELF GOVERNMENT
MODELS.
WE NEED TO BE AT THE TABLE, NOT
AFTER THE FACT.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE COP 21
AND THE FIRST MINISTERS MEETING
THAT WAS TAKING PLACE IN
VANCOUVER ABOUT A MONTH OR SO
AGO.
YOU KNOW, YES, WE'RE AT THE
TABLE, BUT IT'S SOMEWHAT AN
AFTER-THOUGHT SOMETIMES AND
FIRST NATIONS NEED TO BE PART OF
CONFIGURING THE WAY FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, EXACTLY TO THE POINT
THAT JUDITH RAISES.
WE'RE OPTIMISTIC, BUT WE NEED TO
GO ALL THE WAY IN TERMS OF WHERE
DO FIRST NATIONS FIT IN THIS
COUNTRY?

Steve says CYNTHIA, I WANT YOU
TO HELP PAINT THIS PICTURE FOR
SOME OF OUR VIEWERS WHO MAY BE
QUESTIONING WHY THE EXISTENCE OF
THE INDIAN ACT PREVENTS
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES FROM
HAVING ACCESS TO CLEAN,
AFFORDABLE, RELIABLE POWER.

The caption changes to "Cynthia Wesley-Esquimaux. Lakehead University."
Cynthia is in her fifties, with wavy gray hair. She's wearing a black blazer and pearl earrings.

She says THE INDIAN ACT GOES BACK TO
1876 SO WE WOULD CALL THAT A
PRETTY ANTIQUATED DOCUMENT.
IT HAS IN IT VERY LITTLE THAT
ACTUALLY SUPPORTS THE
DEVELOPMENT AND PROGRESSION OF
INDIGENOUS PEOPLES ANYWHERE, AND
WE DO HAVE TO EITHER GET RID OF
IT AND CHANGE IT OR PUT THE
UNITED NATIONS DECLARATIONS
RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES IS
READY TO ROLL AND WE NEED TO
REPLACE THAT WITH THAT.
WE NEED TO UPDATE IT AND WE'RE
IN 2016 AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD
IN A GOOD WAY AND WE NEED TO
HAVE THAT GONE.
I THINK I HEARD THE MINISTER OF
INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS SAY THAT SHE
IS WITH THAT TOO.
THE INDIAN ACT HAS TO GO.
WE'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION.
STRIKE WHILE THE IRON'S HOT.
LET'S GET IT DONE.

Steve says CHRIS, WE DON'T WANT
TO LEAVE THE IMPRESSION WITH OUR
VIEWERS THAT THINGS ARE ALL
HORRIBLE ALL OVER THE PLACE,
UNLESS THAT'S THE CASE.
IS THAT THE CASE?

The caption changes to "Christopher Henderson. Lumos Energy."

Christopher is in his late fifties, clean-shaven, with receding gray hair. He's wearing a gray plaid suit, and a white shirt.

He says NO, IT'S NOT.
I'M NEITHER OPTIMISTIC NOR
PESSIMISTIC, BUT I AM REALISTIC.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS I WROTE
MY BOOK "ABORIGINAL POWER" WAS
TO TALK ABOUT THE REALISTIC.
IF WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS ENERGY
IN ABORIGINAL COMMUNITIES, WE'RE
GOING TO NEED COMMUNITY
LEADERSHIP.
COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP HAS TO
DRIVE THIS.
SECONDLY, WE NEED COLLABORATION
WHICH CAN BE WITHIN CANADA AND
GLOBALLY.
IF WE DO THAT, IF WE CREATE
COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP WITH THE
SUPPORT OF GOVERNMENTS AND WE
COLLABORATE AMONGST COMMUNITIES
IN THIS COUNTRY AND GLOBALLY,
THEN I WILL BE REALISTICALLY
OPTIMISTIC.

Steve says HOW MANY YEARS HAVE
YOU BEEN ON THIS?

Christopher says ABOUT 20 YEARS.

Steve says 20 YEARS.

Christopher says YEAH.

Steve says THINGS HAVE GOTTEN
BETTER OVER 20 YEARS?

Christopher says YES.
BUT I WANT IT TO GET BETTER
FASTER.

Steve says YOU WANT IT BETTER FASTER.
MITCHELL, WHERE ARE YOU ON THIS?

The caption changes to "Mitchell Diabo. Kasabonika Lake Community Developlemnt Corporation."

Mitchell is in his late forties, with short gray hair shaven at the temples and a trimmed moustache. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit and a blue shirt.

He says I'M OPTIMISTIC AS WELL.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE ATTENTION
OF BOTH LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, I
BELIEVE WE HAVE THE ATTENTION OF
REGULATORS, WE HAVE THE
ATTENTION OF THE CAPITAL MARKETS
THROUGH INDUSTRY, AND ONE OF THE
PROJECTS I'M PARTICIPATING IN
FROM KASABONIKA'S PERSPECTIVE IS
A TRANSMISSION COMPANY, 20 FIRST
NATIONS OWN LINE IS ONE OF THE 20.
THERE ARE PRIORITIES FOR
UPGRADED TRANSMISSION AND WE'RE
GOING AFTER THOSE PROJECTS.
THE FIRST ONE IS A PHASE 1,
DOUBLING THE LINE UP TO PICKLE
LAKE FOR GOLDCORP'S MINE TO HAVE
RELIABLE POWER BECAUSE THEY'RE
STARTING TO BULK UP WITH DIESEL
GENERATION.
SO THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING
COMMUNITIES, AND CERTAINLY NOT
THE INDIAN ACT, FROM
PARTICIPATING IN INDUSTRY
SECTORS OUTSIDE OF THE
COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
DOING.

Steve says DO YOU HAVE ANY
GUESS AS TO WHEN THAT POWER LINE
WILL COME TO YOUR COMMUNITY?

Mitchell says THERE'S QUITE A FEW HURDLES.
WE HAVE INDUSTRY PARTNERS.
REZ CANADA AND FORTIS ONTARIO ON
OUR TEAM, OF COURSE.
WE'RE DOING ALL THE PLANNING WE
NEED TO DO TO GET THROUGH THE
REGULATORS AND GET LEAVE TO
CONSTRUCT THE ENVIRONMENTAL
ASSESSMENTS.
IT'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGING.
WE'RE CROSSING HOMELANDS OF
BROTHER AND SISTER COMMUNITIES
AND NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF THEM
ARE ON BOARD AND I THINK THAT'S
GOING TO BE A HURDLE.

Steve says MITCHELL, THIS
SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT GOING TO
HAPPEN TOMORROW.

Mitchell says DEFINITELY NOT.
BUT IF WE DON'T GET STARTED, IT
WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Christopher says IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT
PROJECT FOR ONTARIO.
IT COULD TAKE 21 OF THOSE REMOTE
COMMUNITIES AND CONNECT THEM TO
THE GRID.
WE DO HAVE BOTH THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT AND THE ONTARIO
GOVERNMENT WANTING TO TAKE THIS
FORWARD.
THAT COMBINATION HAS NOT
OCCURRED BEFORE.
THE TIMING IS FANTASTIC.
WITH MITCH THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF
US SUPPORTING THIS.
IF WE CAN DO IT, IT'S GOING TO
MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Steve says CHIEF DAY?

Isadore says I AGAIN WANT TO BE
OPTIMISTIC, BUT I ALSO WANT TO
BE A REALIST AS WELL.
AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS,
AS OF MAY 1ST, THE HYDRO RATES
IN ONTARIO ARE GOING TO GO UP.
THE REASON ISN'T BECAUSE OF
DEMAND.
IT'S GOING TO BE BECAUSE OF THE
FACT THAT THERE WAS LESS
CONSUMPTION OVER THE LAST YEAR
AND WHO'S GOING TO BEAR THAT IS
THE CONSUMER.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS
IN THE AUDIENCE, JOHN BLACKBIRD
JUST TALKED ABOUT THE DELIVERY
CHARGE.
WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THE
REALITY OF, WHAT IS THE CURRENT
COST OF ENERGY IN ONTARIO RIGHT
NOW?
FROM THE PROVINCIAL JURISDICTION
OF ONTARIO AND Québec, IT'S VERY
DIFFERENT.
WE HAVE AN ONTARIO PREMIER NOW
WHO IS LOOKING OUTSIDE OF THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO TO LOOK AT
WHAT THE COST OF ENERGY IS.
SO THE REALITY IS, YES, IN A
PERFECT WORLD, WE'VE GOT THIS
ASSET THAT'S BEING PLANNED IN
TERMS OF THE TRANSMISSION LINE,
BUT HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE
SUSTAINED?
AND WHAT IS THE INITIAL STARTING
POINT?
WHAT ARE THE ECONOMICS BEHIND
ENERGY?
VERY COMPLEX QUESTIONS.

Steve says WHILE YOU HAVE THE
FLOOR, THE WATAI ENERGY PROJECT.
TELL THIS AUDIENCE WHAT IT IS?

Isadore says IT'S A TRANSMISSION LINE IN
THE NORTH THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING
TO JOIN 21 COMMUNITIES ONTO THE
GRID, AND THIS IS THE CRUX AND
THE CHALLENGE THAT MANY
COMMUNITIES ARE FACED WITH IS
THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NOT
HOOKED ONTO A GRID.
YOU KNOW, THOSE 21 COMMUNITIES
ARE LOOKING TO THIS OPPORTUNITY
TO FINALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE
ACCESS TO A GRID BUT WE ALSO SEE
OTHER COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW,
THAT ARE CONSIDERING THE COST
AND HOW WILL THAT GET SUSTAINED?
INDUSTRY IS LOOKING AT THIS,
GOVERNMENT IS LOOKING AT THIS.
WE'RE ALSO SEEING A CHANGE,
STEVE, IN THAT SOME OF THE
MICROGRID SOLUTIONS THAT WILL
ACTUALLY MAKE COMMUNITIES
SUSTAINABLE AMONG THEMSELVES
SHOULD ALSO BE FACTORED IN.

Steve says CHRIS, I WANT TO GO
TO YOU ON -- WE HAVE HERE IN THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO SOMETHING
CALLED THE I.E.S.O., INDEPENDENT
ELECTRICITY SYSTEM OPERATOR,
THAT DOES JUST WHAT THE NAME
says, IT PLANS TRANSMISSION
LINES AND SO ON.
I'M TOLD THAT THEY ARE IN THE
WORKS RIGHT NOW, CONSIDERING
CONNECTING 21 OF 25 REMOTE FIRST
NATIONS COMMUNITIES IN THIS
PROVINCE THAT WOULD, OVER TIME,
SAY OVER FOUR DECADES, SAVE A
BILLION DOLLARS AT THE END OF
THE DAY.
HOW?

Christopher says WELL, IF YOU THINK OF THE
COST OF DIESEL POWER, IF YOU
LOOK AT A COMMUNITY LIKE
MITCH'S, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO
FLY DIESEL FUEL ON PLANES IN
ORDER TO POWER IN THE WINTER.
OR YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY WHERE
YOU HAVE AN ICE ROAD WHERE YOU
HAVE TO TRANSPORT FUEL 400 OR
500 KILOMETRES.
YOU HAVE TO DO THAT YEAR IN AND
OUT.
THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE SOURCE
OF POWER.
IF YOU WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT
BY CONNECTING TO THE GRID, WHICH
IS MUCH CHEAPER, THEN YOU START
TO SEE THE METRICS WORK.
WHETHER OR NOT THE NORTHERN
TRANSMISSION LINE IN ONTARIO TO
CONNECT 21 OF THE REMOTE
COMMUNITIES IS GOING TO SAVE A
BILLION DOLLARS, I DON'T KNOW
FOR SURE YET.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE DOES KNOW
FOR SURE.
THAT'S THE PLANNING PROCESS
UNDERWAY.
THERE'S A PROSPECT IT COULD SAVE
A LOT, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE
LOOKING AT IT HARD.
THAT TRANSMISSION POWER WHEN YOU
CONNECT IT VERSUS TRANSPORTING
DIESEL IS CHEAPER, DO THE
NUMBERS WORK?
WE'RE CROSSING OUR FINGERS AND
HOPE SO.

Steve says MITCHELL, WHEN YOU
LOOK AT IT, WHAT DO YOU THINK
THE IMPACT ON KASABONIKA WOULD
BE IF THEY COULD PUT THIS TOGETHER?

Mitchell says LET ME SAY THIS.
THE RATE PAYERS OF ONTARIO IN
THIS ELECTRICITY MARKET WOULD
WANT TO SUPPORT US GETTING
CONNECTED TO THE GRID.
RIGHT NOW ON DIESEL GENERATOR
POWER IT COSTS THE DISTRIBUTION
COMPANY 46 CENTS TO GENERATE ONE
KILOWATT HOUR.
OUR RESIDENTS PAY 8.8 CENTS AND
11.3 CENTS FOR THE NEXT
1500 KILOWATTS.
WHO IS SUBSIDIZING THAT?
THE ONTARIO RATE PAYERS ARE TO
HYDRO ONE REMOTE COMMUNITIES.

Steve says IT'S IN EVERYBODY'S
INTERESTS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN?

Mitchell says THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.
HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A BIT OF
CAUTION IN THAT.
I SEE IN THE GRID-CONNECTED
COMMUNITIES YOU PAY TIME-OF-DAY
USE BILLING AND YOU'RE PENALIZED
OR YOUR BEHAVIOUR IS MODIFIED IF
YOU USE ELECTRICITY DURING
CERTAIN HOURS AT A HIGHER RATE
SO YOU DO IT ON THE SHOULDERS.
THAT'S GOING TO COME TO OUR
COMMUNITIES WHEN WE GET
CONNECTED TO GRID AND THAT
CONCERNS US.

Steve says CYNTHIA, IF I'VE GOT
THIS RIGHT, THE PROJECT WE'VE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS OWNED BY
FIRST NATIONS; IS THAT RIGHT?
IS THIS THE RIGHT TYPE OF MODEL
THEN IN ORDER TO GO FORWARD,
BALANCING INDIGENOUS SELF
GOVERNMENT WITH PROVINCIAL AND
FEDERAL SUPPORT?

Cynthia says ABSOLUTELY.

Steve says THAT'S THE WAY TO GO?

The caption changes to "Cynthia Wesley-Esquimaux, @cynthiawesley"

Cynthia says ABSOLUTELY.
AND IN EVERY SINGLE AREA.
WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT
THIS, AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT HEALTH, YOU HAVE TO ENGAGE
THE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY IN THE
CONVERSATION AROUND THE KIND OF
HEALTH NEEDS THAT THEY HAVE.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
EDUCATION, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE
FIRST NATIONS COMMUNITIES, THE
Métis COMMUNITY, THE INUIT
COMMUNITY INVOLVED IN THE
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT KIND OF
EDUCATION THEY WANT TO HAVE FOR
THEIR KIDS.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE
CONVERSATION IS.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY
HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE
CONVERSATION FOR THE LAST 600
YEARS.
WE'RE ONLY COMING TO THAT
CONVERSATION.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A
REAL CHANGE.
THINK OF THE KINDS OF THINGS
THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO
BRING THIS COUNTRY.
WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT YOU FOOD
AND MEDICINES AND CLOTHING,
WE'VE BROUGHT YOU ALL KINDS OF
THINGS.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO
THAT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO DO THAT
TOGETHER.

Steve says JUDITH, IN BRITISH
COLUMBIA, ANY SENSE OF – GO AHEAD.

The caption changes to "Judith Sayers, @kekinsuqs"

Judith says IN BRITISH COLUMBIA, 125 OUT
OF 203 FIRST NATIONS ARE
INVOLVED IN CLEAN ENERGY
PROJECTS IN SOME WAY, AND THAT'S
FROM OWNERSHIP ALL THE WAY DOWN
TO RESOURCE ROYALTY SHARING.
OFF-GRID COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE
THAT OPPORTUNITY.
YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE
ABLE TO DO A CLEAN ENERGY
PROJECT THAT NOT ONLY POWERS
THEIR COMMUNITY, BUT THEY COULD
PUT ON THE GRID AND MAKE MONEY,
BUT THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY
BECAUSE THERE'S NO GRID THERE.
THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE FACE
IN BRITISH COLUMBIA RIGHT NOW IS
OPPORTUNITY.
B.C. HYDRO HAS DECIDED AND THE
B.C. GOVERNMENT HAS DECIDED TO
BUILD SITE C THAT'S GOING TO
HAVE HUGE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS,
AND THEY DON'T WANT TO BUY CLEAN
ENERGY, SO THEY'RE PURCHASING
JUST A FEW PROJECTS EVERY YEAR
AND SO THOSE FIRST NATIONS THAT
WERE PLANNING WIND ENERGY AND
BIOMASS AND AN INDUSTRY THAT
WE'VE EMBRACED IN BRITISH
COLUMBIA HAS NOW BEEN STYMIED TO
A FEW PROJECTS.
SO THAT'S ALSO A PROBLEM.
THE DEMAND FOR POWER, AS CHIEF
DAY HAS SAID, HAS DECREASED IN
BRITISH COLUMBIA.
YOU KNOW, DEMAND SIDE
MANAGEMENT, PEOPLE PUTTING IN
THEIR OWN SOLAR PANELS...

Steve says A LOT OF DOWNTURN IN
THE ECONOMY DOESN'T HELP EITHER.

Judith says NO LNG PROJECTS GOING AHEAD,
THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
THERE'S THAT REALITY AS WELL
THAT WE HAVE TO FACE.

Steve says YOU'VE RAISED AN
INTERESTING QUESTION ABOUT
OPTIONS GOING FORWARD.
CHRIS, LET ME GO TO YOU ON THIS.
GIVEN YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE
GEOGRAPHY, WHAT'S KIND OF GOING
TO WORK THE BEST?
ARE WE TALKING WIND, SOLAR,
GEOTHERMAL?
WHAT?

Christopher says I'M GOING TO SAY A REALLY
BRILLIANT ANSWER.
IT ALL DEPENDS.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE GEOGRAPHY
OR WHAT THE MOTHER EARTH OFFERS YOU.
IN SOME CASES YOU WILL HAVE A
SOLAR RESOURCE.
THE GOOD NEWS IS MOST PLACES
HAVE SOME SOLAR AND SOLAR ENERGY
IS GETTING CHEAPER.
YOU WILL SEE THE MAIN DEFAULT
POSITION OF RENEWABLE ENERGY FOR
REMOTE COMMUNITIES BE A SOLAR
STORAGE COMBINATION.
A FEW COMMUNITIES HAVE HYDRO
RESOURCE, BUT NOT AS MANY AS YOU
THINK.
A FEW ALSO HAVE WIND.
IN FACT WHAT YOU'RE POINTING TO,
STEVE, IN YOUR QUESTION IS, IT'S
GOING TO BE AN INTEGRATED
APPROACH THAT WORKS.
IF YOU LOOK AT A REMOTE
COMMUNITY AND LOOK AT ENERGY
OPTIONS, YOU LOOK AT ALL
OPTIONS.
THE FIRST IS NOT TO NEED POWER
IN THE FIRST PLACE.
YOU LOOK AT CONSERVATION,
EFFICIENCY, BETTER HOMES, BETTER
FACILITIES, AND YOU CLIMB THAT
LADDER TO THEN LOOK AT YOUR
RENEWABLE OPTIONS WITH WHAT
YOU'RE OFFERED.
NOT ALL COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO
BE ABLE TO REPLACE ALL THE
DIESEL POWER.
MANY COMMUNITIES WILL RELY ON
SOME.
IF YOU CAN MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT
OF RENEWABLE ENERGY ALONG WITH
EFFICIENCY, THAT'S THE SOLUTION
WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

Steve says MITCHELL, YOU'VE GOT
WIND WHERE YOU ARE.

Mitchell says WE HAVE SOME DEMONSTRATION
TURBINES THAT HYDRO ONE HAD PUT
UP IN THE PAST.

Steve says IS IT WORKING?

Mitchell says YEAH, THEY GENERATE
10 KILOWATTS.
WE'RE BANKING ON SOLAR.
WE'VE GOT A STUDY ON A SOLAR
FARM AND WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED
WITH THAT.
WE HAVE ROOFTOP SOLAR
INSTALLATION.
SO WE ARE INJECTING SOME
RENEWABLES INTO OUR MICRO GRID.

Steve says THE WIND THAT'S
GETTING YOU 10 KILOWATTS RIGHT
NOW, IS THAT DOING MUCH FOR YOU?

Mitchell says NO, IT'S NOT EVEN A DENT IN
THE SYSTEM.

Steve says YOU KNOW WHAT?
SHELDON, LET'S PLAY THIS CLIP
RIGHT NOW.
ERIC BOMBICINO, THE GUY
PRODUCING THIS PROGRAM AND...
THE GUY THAT'S PRODUCING THIS
PROGRAM WENT UP TO PIKANGIKUM TO
REPORT ON THEIR ENERGY
CIRCUMSTANCES UP THERE, AND
WE'VE GOT A LITTLE CLIP HERE
ABOUT HIM TALKING ABOUT WHAT
RELIABLE ENERGY CAN AND CANNOT
DO IN TERMS OF OFFERINGS TO THE
COMMUNITY.
LET'S ROLL THAT CLIP.

A clip plays on screen with the caption "Eric Bombicino. Producer. April 4, 2016."
In the clip, Eric speaks with Steve in The Agenda studio. Eric is in his early thirties, with very short black hair and a stubble. He's wearing rounded black-framed glasses and a gray sweater.

He says THE ISSUES IN PIKANGIKUM ARE
MULTI-LAYERED AND COMPLEX.
SO THERE WAS A CORONER'S REPORT
ON 16 YOUTH SUICIDES BETWEEN
2006 AND 2008 IN PIKANGIKUM, AND
THEY LOOKED AT EVERYTHING FROM
COLONIALISM TO RESIDENTIAL
SCHOOLS TO THAT TRAUMA THAT
REVERBERATES INTO THE PRESENT.
YOU HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE
DEFICITS, YOU HAVE GOVERNANCE
DEFICITS, YOU HAVE SOCIAL
ISSUES -- YOU HAVE ALL THESE
PROFOUNDLY COMPLEX ISSUES IN
SUICIDE AND YOU HAVE THIS KNOCK,
THIS POSITIVE FEEDBACK LOOP.
ENERGY IS NOT A MAGIC BULLET.
IT CAN ALLOW A PLATFORM TO GROW
AND BUILD.
THEY HAVE 90 PERCENT
UNEMPLOYMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THEY CAN'T BUILD ANY MORE
BUSINESSES BECAUSE DIESEL
GENERATORS ARE MAXED OUT.
THEY CAN'T GROW A NORTHERN
STORE.
THEY CAN'T HOOK UP NEW HOMES TO
POWER.
EVEN IF THEY PUT THE FUNDING
TOGETHER TO BUILD THEM, THEY
CAN'T.

The clip ends.

Steve says ENERGY IS NOT THE
MAGIC BULLET, ERIC SAYS.
CYNTHIA, DO YOU AGREE?

Cynthia says IT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL BUT
IT'S NOT GOING TO CURE ALL THE
PROBLEMS AND MAKE IT ALL RIGHT.

The caption changes to "Not a magic bullet?"

Steve says YOU KNOW, IT GETS
YOU DOWN THE ROAD; IS THAT WHAT
I'M HEARING?

Cynthia says ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK EVERYBODY HAS SAYING
ABSOLUTELY IT WILL GET PEOPLE
DOWN THE ROAD, IT WILL GET
PEOPLE HEALTHIER, PROVIDE
CHILDREN WITH THE CARE THEY
NEED, THE SCHOOLS THEY NEED.
YES.

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