Transcript: Dave Toycen: A Duty to the World | Mar 30, 2015

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his forties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, pale blue shirt, and striped blue tie. Behind him, a wall screen reads “The Agenda, with Steve Paikin.”

Steve says HE HAS MADE HELPING THOSE IN
NEED AROUND THE GLOBE HIS LIFE'S
WORK.
Now, AFTER more than FOUR DECADES WITH
HUMANITARIAN AID organization
WORLD VISION, DAVE TOYCEN IS
RETIRING.
JOINING US NOW TO
REFLECT ON HIS TIME TRYING TO
FIX A FREQUENTLY SOLE CRUSHING
WORLD HERE IS DAVE TOYCEN,
The OUTGOING PRESIDENT AND CEO OF
WORLD VISION CANADA.
GREAT TO
HAVE YOU HERE ON TVO DAVE.

Dave is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with sparse short white hair. He wears a gray suit and a blue shirt with no tie.

He says THANK YOU STEVE.

Steve says We will GET TO SOUL DESTROYING PART
OF OUR DISCUSSION IN A BIT. But I
WANT TO KNOW WHAT 42 YEARS AGO
BROUGHT TO YOU WORLD VISION IN
THE FIRST PLACE.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Dave Toycen. World Vision Canada."

Dave says I WISH IT WAS SOMETHING
HIGH-CALLING OR WHATEVER, BUT I
NEEDED A SUMMER JOB.
I WAS IN GRADUATE SCHOOL AND
WORKING WITH A PROFESSOR ON
Some COMMUNICATION PROJECTS.
TELEVISION STUFF.
FILM STUFF RATHER.

The caption changes to "A duty to the world. Yeoman’s Work."

Dave continues AND HE WENT OFF
ON SABBATICAL AND I HAD NO JOB.
AND WORLDVISION CALLED HIM,
CONSULTING WITH HIM AND THEY
WERE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO DO
RADIO SPOTS. PRODUCING RADIO SPOTS.
AND I HAD NO
EXPERIENCE IN RADIO.
AND BUT BEFORE HE LEFT HE SAID
AH...
GIVE DAVE A SHOT.
HE IS QUICK AND HE CAN WRITE.

Steve says GOOD VOICE.

Dave grins and says THAT WAS IT.

Steve says VERY DISAPPOINTING STORY
DAVE.

Dave laughs.

Steve says I TRULY THOUGHT YOU WERE
GOING TO TELL ME I WAS ON MOUNT
SINAI ONE DAY AND WENT TO THE
TOP AND SAW GOD...
NOTHING LIKE THAT.

Dave says WHAT DID HAPPEN WITHIN I WOULD
SAY FIVE OR SIX WEEKS I KNEW
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO BE PART
OF.
AND I DID CERTAINLY I HAD HAD A
SENSE OF CALLING EVER SINCE,
THAT THIS WAS THE SPACE I WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE IN.
BUT IT DID NOT START OUT THAT
WAY.
THAT IS OFTEN TIMES LIFE IS LIKE
THAT, TOO.

Steve says GOING TO SHOW A SERIES OF
PICTURES NOW YOU HAVE LITERALLY
BEEN ALL OVER THE WORLD HELPING
THOSE WHO ARE IN THE MOST
DESPERATE OF CONDITIONS.
SHELDON let’s
START TO BRING THESE UP.

A black and white picture pops up. It shows a young Dave posing with a group of young men and women outside a building.

Steve continues THERE WE
GO. Dave, LOOK AT THE MONITOR OVER
MY SHOULDER, LATE 1970s.
YOU LOOK A BIT different.
WHERE ARE WE HERE?

Dave says I THINK IT IS INDONESIA.
I'M NOT POSITIVE.
DEFINITELY ASIA AND WHAT I WAS
DOING, I WAS SETTING UP A
PHOTOGRAPHER AND A WRITER IN
EACH OF OUR OFFICES. Because WE WANTED TO
MOVE TOWARDS PEOPLE LOCALLY
TELLING THEIR own STORY RATHER THAN
US COMING THERE AND GOING BACK.
THERE NEEDED TO BE A COMBINATION
OF THAT IS WHAT I WAS UP TO.

Steve says GOT YOU.
NEXT PICTURE.

In the new, coloured picture, a fortyish Dave talks to a Muslim woman and a girl.

Steve says IN AFGHANISTAN OR
IRAN?

Dave says YEAH, AFGHANISTAN.

Steve says IT IS AFGHANISTAN.
EARLY 2000?

Dave says EARLY 2000, VISITING FAMILIES
IT WAS COLD AND JUST A
TREMENDOUSLY HARD TIME FOR
PEOPLE.
YOU REALLY SENSED THAT.

Steve says INDEED.

A new picture shows Dave in his fifties talking to people in a village.

Dave says MYANMAR.
AFTER THE CYCLONE NARGIS.
Just meeting with
CHILDREN, FAMILY MEMBERS AS WELL
AFFECTED BY CYCLONE AND WE WERE
DOING RELIEF WORK. AND I'M ALWAYS
TRYING TO INTERACT WITH THE
LOCAL PEOPLE PARTLY BECAUSE I
WANT THEM TO KNOW I CARE,
BUT I'M also LEARNING.

Steve says NEXT PICTURE IS INDONESIA.
JUST A FEW YEARS AGO?

A new picture shows Dave posing with a group of people.

Dave says THIS IS TOM COCHRANE IS WITH
ME ON THAT ONE FROM RED RIDER.
AND WE WERE ONCE AGAIN
LOOKING AT ISSUES AROUND HEALTH
AND NUTRITION OF CHILDREN.
AND THE REAL CONCERN ABOUT THE
EARLY YEARS OF THEIR LIFE.

A new picture shows Dave standing next to a woman who smiles as she displays a hand-woven mat.

Steve says I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE IS A
MORE DESPERATE PLACE ON EARTH,
But YOU WOULD NOT THINK SO FROM THIS
PICTURE, THAN SUDAN.
This is YOU IN 2006 IN SUDAN?

Dave says YES, THIS WAS IN ONE OF THE
MANY REFUGEE CAMPS, STILL MANY
TODAY BUT THEY WERE MAKING
THINGS.
AND SELLING THINGS.
SHOWING THAT THEY COULD BE
PRODUCTIVE EVEN IN THE
ENVIRONMENT OF A REFUGEE CAMP.

Now a picture shows dozens of colourful notebooks set on a table.

Steve says IF THERE IS ONE PICTURE THAT
SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THE
WORLD?
THE ONE.
WHAT IS ALL OF THAT?

Dave chuckles and says I HAVE A HABIT OF TAKING A
NOTEBOOK WITH ME TO EACH COUNTRY
THAT I GO TO, TO TAKE NOTES.
IN SOME CASES I'LL DOUBLE THEM
UP AS WELL.
SO I THINK THAT IS MOST OF MY
NOTEBOOKS DURING MY 18 YEARS AS
PRESIDENT.

Steve says DO YOU HAVE ANY idea HOW
MANY COUNTRIES YOU HAVE BEEN TO?

Dave says NO.
MAYBE SOMETHING IN RETIREMENT
I'LL SIT DOWN, PULL OUT
PASSPORTS AND SEE IF I CAN
FIGURE IT OUT.

Steve says IT IS A FEW DOZEN ANYWAY.
EASILY A FEW DOZEN.

Dave says YES.

Steve says HOW MANY DIFFERENT DISEASES
HAVE YOU contracted IN YOUR
WORK.

Dave says THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M AWARE
OF AND THIS IS KIND OF
EMBARRASSING I GOT MALARIA ABOUT
TWO YEARS AGO.

Steve says WHERE?

Dave says IN WEST AFRICA AND I GOT
CAUGHT, I CONFESS I HAVE NOT
BEEN FATEFUL IN ALWAYS TAKING
ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW.

Steve says BOOSTER SHOWS AND SO ON.

Dave says WELL, JUST TAKING TABLETS
PARTICULARLY IS WHEN YOU TRAVEL
AS MUCH AS I DO, I DON'T LIKE TO
DO THAT.
IT WAS A STORY OF IGNORANCE AND
NEGLECT ON MY PART AND I PAID
THE PRICE.

He chuckles.

Steve says YOU TURN IT INTO SOMETHING
POSITIVE, THOUGH.
I DO RECALL READING ON YOUR
WEBSITE, I GOT MALARIA BUT I CAN
GET OVER IT THESE PEOPLE GET IT
ALL THE TIME AND IT IS NOT SO
EASY FOR THEM TO GET OVER IT.

Dave says MANY ARE GETTING MALARIA ON
REGULAR BASIS.
IT IS JUST SLOWS YOU DOWN SO
MUCH.

Steve sighs and says RWANDA AFTER the '94
GENOCIDE ON THE BORDER HERE IS A
PICTURE OF A BOY.

A picture shows Dave in his late thirties hugging a little boy in a refugee camp.

Dave says YES.
4 YEARS OLD.

Steve says HOW DID YOU MEET HIM?

Dave says WELL I WAS AT THE END OF MY
TIME IN THE OLD ZAIRE IN THE
REFUGEES PEOPLE WHO FLED RWANDA
THINKING THAT THERE WOULD BE
RETRIBUTION AGAINST THEM.
This was a HELL ON EARTH PLACE.
We were DOING
RELIEF WORK AND IT WAS SORT OF
OF MY LAST DAY I WANTED TO GO TO
ONE OTHER MAJOR CAMP THAT HAD
CLOSE TO 100,000 PEOPLE IN IT I
THINK AND I WANTED TO GO AND
DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND ALL OF
A SUDDEN HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS
SO MALNOURISHED HE LOOKED LIKE
ET FROM THE MOVIE HE WAS JUST
SKIN AND BONES AND JUST WALKING
PLODDING ALONG THE ROAD.
WE STOPPED AND OUR TRANSLATOR
WAS WITH US AND HE GOT US
BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WOULD SCARE
HIM BECAUSE WE WERE MOSTLY WHITE
PEOPLE AND SO HE GOT OUT AND
STARTED -- WE DISCOVERED THIS
BOY.
HIS PARENTS HAD DIED, HE WAS NOT
SURE WHEN HE HAD NOT HAD
ANYTHING TO EAT FOR THREE DAYS I
THINK HE SAID AND HE HAD HAD NO
WATER FOR AT LEAST A DAY.
ALL I HAD IN THE CAR WAS A HALF
A COKE CAN.
REMEMBER HE ALMOST ATE THE
THING.
HE WAS SO THIRSTY.
WE TOOK HIM BACK.
GOT HIM SOME FOOD AND LOOKED
AFTER HIM AND A GROUP OF OTHER
CHILDREN THAT WE COLLECTED AT
WORLDVISION THAT WERE CHILDREN
THAT CAME OUT OF SORT OF NOWHERE
AND I WAS ABLE TO SEE HIM A
COUPLE OF TIMES AND HE WAS KIND
OF A MOMENT PRECISE MOMENT WHERE
YOU ARE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING
VERY SPECIFIC.
WHICH WE ALL LOVE.
SOMETHING VERY TANGIBLE AND YOU
FEEL LIKE YOU ARE MAKING A
DIFFERENCE IN THE MIDDLE OF
SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST
UNTHINKABLE.
In THAT LOCATION AT the
BEGINNING DAYS we were FEEDING PEOPLE ON
ONE PLOT OF THE LAND AND
ADJACENT to us we had 160 DEAD BODIES LYING
IN THE SUN AND WE COULD NOT GET
THEM BURIED.

He gestures and says so you’re
PROVIDING FOOD HERE AND DEAD
PEOPLE LAYING OVER HERE FROM
CHOLERA ALL SORTS OF UNTREATED
DISEASE OF ONE KIND OR ANOTHER
AND SO THIS BOY WAS A POSITIVE
EXPERIENCE FOR ME AND MEANT A
LOT.
NOW, UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS A
SAD THING TO THIS.
THE CHILDREN WE HAD WERE JOINED
WITH OTHER CHILDREN AND AN
ORGANIZATION WAS LOOKING AFTER
ORPHANS SPECIFICALLY AND THERE
WAS A LOT OF MILITARY CONFLICT
GOING ON IN THAT AREA AND
PROBABLY A YEAR AND A HALF OR
TWO YEARS LATER IT WAS EVERYONE
HUGE A KILLING AND HE LOST HIM.
I HAVE HAD STAFF LOOKING FOR
HIM, I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS ALIVE
OR NOT. I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THAT
I HOPE HE IS.

Steve says BUT YOU MET HIM MORE THAN
TWENTY YEARS AGO AND STAYED
IN TOUCH WITH HIM UNTIL -- WHAT
JUST A COUPLE YEARS AGO?

Dave says OH NO, NO, THIS HAPPENED,
THIS HAPPENED WITHIN TWO YEARS.
OF OUR LOCATION. HE WAS STILL
JUST A LITTLE BOY! AND THIS
CAMP WAS OVERRUN AND THE
CHILDREN JUST RAN FOR THEIR
LIVES, I'M SURE.

Steve says AS YOU HAVE TRIED TO DO WHAT
YOU
HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS YOU DO
IT THROUGH A FAITH BASED
ORGANIZATION.
OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TRY TO DO
WHAT YOU DO AND THEY ARE NOT
BASED IN RELIGION AT ALL.
IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN HOW
EACH DIFFERENT KIND OF
ORGANIZATION WOULD APPROACH THIS
WORK?

The caption changes to "A duty to the world. Have faith."

Dave says WELL, YES, I THINK THERE ARE
SOME DIFFERENCES HOWEVER I WOULD
WANT TO SAY FROM THE BEGINNING,
There’s A GOOD WAY TO GET AN EDUCATION,
There’s A GOOD WAY IN WHICH health
Can be DELIVERED
TO A COMMUNITY. AND AT THAT
TECHNICAL LEVEL I DON'T KNOW
THAT THERE IS MUCH DIFFERENCE.
COMING FROM FAITH BASED
MOTIVATIONS WERE DIFFERENT,
Because it’s an
EXPRESSION OF YOUR FAITH.
I THINK THAT PERHAPS I WOULD
HOPE I WANT TO SAY THIS
CAREFULLY, I WOULD HOPE BECAUSE
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE A REAL
CHRISTIAN IS SOMEONE WHOSE
PRIORITY IS TO EXPRESS LOVE.
NOT I'M NOT -- TALKING ABOUT THE
KIND OF LOVE WHERE YOU'RE
WISHING THE BEST FOR THE OTHER
PERSON.
CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT OWN THAT
SPACE, but certainly AS A
CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATION
WE SURE DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO
PRACTICE THAT IN HOW WE BEHAVE
WITH EACH OTHER AS WELL AS HOW
WE BEHAVE WITH THE CHILDREN AND
FAMILIES THAT WE ARE SEEKING TO
HELP.
WHETHER THAT MAKES US ANY
DIFFERENT OR NOT I CAN NOT BE
THE JUDGE OF THAT.
I THINK THE PROOF IS IN THE WAY
WE BEHAVE AND THE WAY WE
RESPOND.
BUT I THINK -- AND I THINK
PROBABLY THE OTHER UNIQUENESS IS
THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE EVIL,
THE DIFFICULTY, THROUGH A LENS
WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A
GOD WHO CREATED THE WORLD.
CREATED HUMAN BEINGS IN GOD'S
IMAGE AND THAT EVERYBODY HAS
VALUE.
I THINK THAT SHAPES YOUR LIFE,
UNDERSTANDING OF PEOPLE AND I
THINK THAT PART IS VERY
IMPORTANT IN THE WAY WE WORK.

Steve says WELL THAT GETS TO SOUL
DESTROYING REFERENCE I MADE IN
INTRODUCTION THROUGH THE COURSE
OF YOUR WORK YOU HAVE come into
CONTACT WITH PROBABLY MORE
DEATH, DESTRUCTION, MISERY,
HOPELESSNESS, FEAR, ANGER,
FRUSTRATION THAN MAYBE ANYBODY I
HAVE EVER MET IN MY LIFE AND I
NEED TO KNOW HOW YOU JUST HAVE
NOT LOST ALL FAITH.

Dave sighs, shrugs slightly, and says
WELL, I MEAN, I CONFESS I GET
ANGRY AND UPSET AND ONE RECENT
EXAMPLE ILLUSTRATES this.
I was in
SOUTH SUDAN WHERE RECENTLY THERE
WAS A HUGE BLOW-UP OF CONFLICT.
I was at a PLACE where 100,000 PEOPLE...
THE CITY HAS just BEEN FLATTENED,
EVERYTHING WAS DESTROYED,
HOSPITALS, THE SCHOOLS, THE
CHURCHES, THE MOSQUES, JUST
DESTROYED.
AND THEY WERE ALL CRAMMED
TOGETHER LIKE THEY DIDN'T KNOW
HOW MANY, 15,000 OR 20,000
PEOPLE.
WITH A U.N. CONVOY, AS ORPHANED...
Tens OF ORPHANS, another tens OF ELDERLY PEOPLE,
INTERVIEWING A MOTHER WHO IS ALL
SHOT UP AND HER LEG IN THE CAST
HER HUSBAND WAS KILLED, THREE
DAUGHTERS KIDNAPPED IT IS A
NIGHTMARE.
JUST A NIGHTMARE.
AND IT WAS A SUNDAY MORNING AND
I WAS PRETTY BENT OUT OF SHAPE.
AND AS WE WERE WALKING OUT I
CAUGHT SOUND, some MUSIC.
AND I LOOKED UP AND IN THE
DISTANCE WAS A GROUP OF I THINK
A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WERE
CHRISTIAN PEOPLE AND THEY WERE
STANDING UP, SINGING, PRAISING
GOD ON SUNDAY MORNING IN THE
MIDDLE OF HELL ON EARTH.
AND I THINK IT IS THOSE THINGS
THAT I GUESS IF YOU'RE LOOKING
IT SOMEHOW MEANS SOMETHING TO ME
THAT WE ARE NOT ADRIFT.
THAT IS NOT GOING ON FOREVER.
THERE IS STILL HOPE AND THE
PEOPLE SOMETIMES WHO SUFFER THE
MOST SEEM TO BE ALMOST MORE ABLE
TO FIND HOPE SOMETIMES THAN
THOSE OF US WHO HAVE SO MUCH
MORE AND WE ARE THERE TO HELP.

As he says “help” he gestures quotation marks.

Steve says OKAY, BEFORE YOU SAW THAT
SCENE THAT GAVE YOU HOPE, WAS
THERE A MOMENT WHERE YOU --
I JUST IMAGINED YOU AT SOME
POINT LOOKING TO HEAVENS AND
SHAKING YOUR FIST AND SAYING GOD
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING!?
HAVE YOU HAD ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS?

Dave shrugs and says I GO THROUGH IT PERIODICALLY
AND I JUST HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK
AND SAY I'M NOT GETTING ANSWER I
WANT FOR THIS.
THAT IS FOR SURE.
BUT I'M JUST REMINDED THAT I
THINK THE BASIC TRUTH OF THE
CHRISTIAN FAITH IS THAT
CHRISTIANITY IS NOT THE KIND OF
DEAL WHERE IF YOU JOIN LIFE WILL
BE EASIER FOR YOU IN MANY CASES
LIFE MIGHT BE HARDER.
BUT THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS THAT
GOD WILL BE PRESENT.
AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T FEEL
THAT.
BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN GOD IS NOT
PRESENT.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING FOR ME
IS THAT I'M NOT TOO SURPRISED
ABOUT SUFFERING, WHEN JESUS, who
CHRISTIANS SEE AS GOD'S SON, IS
ALLOWED TO DIE ON THE CROSS, ONE
OF THE MOST HORRIBLE DEATHS
COULD IMAGINE.
THE OTHER THING THAT just HIT ME
The other day...
WHAT IS THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENS?
THE BIRTH OF THE BABY JESUS,
HARROD GOES IN AND SLAUGHTERS
EVERY CHILD UNDER THE AGE OF 2
OR 3.
EVERY MALE CHILD TO TRY TO BE
SURE HE GETS RID OF THIS, quote,
MESSIAH.
THIS IS A FAITH IN WHICH THERE
HAS BEEN A LOT OF VIOLENCE.
FOR IN ORDER FOR YOU TO LIVE AND
TO BELIEVE.
So I'M NOT SURPRISED AT SOME LEVEL.
THE OTHER THING IS WE HAVE TO BE
CAREFUL WHEN WE ARE CHURNED UP
ABOUT THIS STUFF HOW DOES THAT
HELP THE PEOPLE SUFFERING?
IF I'M GOING TO SPEND ALL OF MY
TIME BEING ANGRY AT GOD OR ANGRY
AT SOMETHING HOW DOES THAT HELP
A LITTLE CHILD WHO WAS NOT HAD
FOOD FOR THREE DAYS.

Steve says IT DOESN'T.
BUT IT MIGHT MAKE YOU SECOND GUESS
YOUR FAITH.
HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED?

Dave says YEAH, I ALWAYS FEEL I'M
TRYING NOT TO EXAGGERATE BUT I
FEEL LIKE I'M ONE STEP AWAY FROM
THE DITCH.
ONE DISTRACTION OR OTHER.
AND SO MY EXPERIENCE IS YOU KIND
OF HAVE TO HAVE A REAFFIRMATION
OF FAITH REGULARLY IN YOUR LIFE
AT LEAST FOR ME.
I'M A PERSON WHO FEELS INTENSELY
THE BROKENNESS OF OUR WORLD AND
IT IS A HEART BREAK.
IT IS A HEARTBREAK OVER AND OVER
again.
AND YET WHEN YOU LOOK OUT THERE
YOU SEE SIGNS OF HOPE.
YOU SEE PEOPLE WHO DON'T GIVE
UP.
YOU SEE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOVED
FROM A TO B.
AND THAT IS JUST -- THAT
EMPOWERS ME.
AND FOR ME THAT IS ABLE TO KEEP
ME GOING BUT IS IT FULL OF
MYSTERY AT TIMES?
ABSOLUTELY.
ONE OF THE REASONS I LIKE THE
BOOK OF PSALMS IN THE OLD
TESTAMENT BECAUSE IT'S A BOOK
ABOUT TREATING GOD LIKE A PERSON
RATHER THAN SOME DISTANT POWER
RAGING, THE RAGING IN THERE, THE
ANGER AS A RESULT OF THE
INJUSTICE THAT THE WRITER IS
EXPERIENCING, IS PALPABLE.
AND YET, THERE NEVER IS A SENSE
IN THE BOOK OF PSALMS THAT
SOMEHOW YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO DO THAT.
THAT'S ABOUT A REAL RELATIONSHIP
AND ONCE AGAIN I'M ENCOURAGED
BY THAT. JUST TALKING ABOUT THE
SITUATION IN THE CONGO, IT WAS A
TERRIBLE TIME, AND THERE WAS A
BOOK IN THE OLD TESTAMENT CALLED
“LAMENTATIONS.” IT'S ONE OF THE
WORST BOOKS TO EVER READ IN THE
BIBLE. IT'S THE STORY OF THE
DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL. THE
RAPING OF THE CHILDREN, THE
KILLING OF THE CHILDREN, THE
RAPING OF THE DAUGHTERS, SELLING
THEM INTO SLAVE -- IT GOES ON
AND ON. BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF
THAT BOOK, THERE IS A CHRISTIAN
HYMN THAT SAYS, “GREAT IS THY
FAITHFULNESS.” AND GREAT IN THY
FAITHFULNESS IS IN ONE LITTLE
CHAPTER IN THE MIDDLE OF
“LAMENTATIONS,” WHICH IS ONE OF
MOST DEPRESSING BOOKS IN THE
ENTIRE BIBLE. AND SO EVEN IN
THE LITERATURE YOU SEE THIS
INCREDIBLE TWISTING AND TURNING
OVER THE EVIL OF THE EARTH AND
A GOD WHO IS TO BE CARING AND
LOVING AND CARE FOR US.

Steve says So IN SPITE OF all the MISERY
YOU HAVE
SEEN OVER THE YEARS, WHAT WOULD
YOU SAY IS YOUR COLLECTIVE
CENTRAL ACCOMPLISHMENT HAVING
SPENT MORE THAN FOUR DECADES
TRYING TO REPAIR THIS WORLD.

The caption changes to "Bidding adieu."

Dave says I HAVE BEEN BLESSED TO WORK
WITH SOME INCREDIBLE PEOPLE.
I HAVE BEEN BLESSED TO SEE THE
STORIES.
TO EXPERIENCE THE STORIES OF
PEOPLE WHO HAVE SO LITTLE AND
YET BELIEVE AND HOPE SO MUCH.
And TO be able to see some PROGRESS.
I STARTED IN 1973 I THINK WE
TALKED ABOUT 40,000 TO 45,000
Children DYING EVERY DAY FROM HUNGER AND
PREVENTABLE DISEASES.
TODAY 40 SOME YEARS LATER WITH
1 BILLION POPULATION ADDITION,
We’re DOWN now, with some DEBATE
ABOUT the NUMBERS, to
17,000 OR 16,000 CHILDREN PER
DAY SO IT MAY BE SLOW AND MAY BE
BUMPY BUT WE ARE GOING IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION.

Steve says PROGRESS.

Dave says THAT IS PROGRESS.

Steve says IS THERE ONE THING YOU DID
NOT GET DONE YOU THAT WISH HUH
GOT DONE?

Dave says GOOD QUESTION.
I JUST...
I THINK I WISH IN SOME WAYS I
HAD THOUGHT BIGGER.
I THOUGHT -- THAT I HAD BEEN
WILLING TO TAKE ON EVEN TAKE ON
SOME OF THE EVEN BIGGER
CHALLENGES THAT MAYBE MORE THAN
I COULD HAVE.

Steve says A BIGGER CHALLENGE THAN...
HOUSING THE HOMELESS AND FEEDING
THE HUNGRY.

Dave says BEING MORE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT
SOME THINGS.
MAYBE THAT.
MOST OF ALL I FEEL BLESSED AND
AS I SAY, I'M RETIRING BUT I'M
NOT GOING OUT OF THE CAUSE.
I MEAN THE CAUSE OF CHILDREN
WILL BE WITH ME.
I'M HOPING THAT THERE WILL BE
CERTAINLY SOMETHING I CAN DO TO
CONTINUE TO BE HELPFUL TO WORLD
VISION.
I'M NOT RETIRING FROM THIS
CAUSE.

Steve says THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT
QUESTION WHICH IS YOU ARE
RETIRING FROM THIS JOB.

Dave says YES.

Steve says PRESUMABLY YOU TAKE TIME TO
THINK ABOUT WHAT COMES UP NEXT?

Dave says TAKE SOMETIME OFF, DO A
DIRECTED SPIRITUAL RETREAT,
THINK DEEPER.

Steve says WHERE WILL YOU DO THAT?

Dave says PROBABLY HERE IN CANADA, FIND
a RETREAT AREA.
BUT SOMEWHERE I NEED PROBABLY
NEED A SPIRITUAL DIRECTOR TO
HELP ME DO THAT DO THAT.

Steve says WHEN IS YOUR LAST DAY ON THE
JOB?

Dave says NOT SURE YET.
NOT SURE.
MY SUCCESSOR WILL BE NAMED
SHORTLY.
SO it JUST depends ON THE PERSON
AND WHAT KIND OF TRANSITION THEY
WOULD LIKE BEFORE I WALK OUT THE
door.

Steve says YOU ARE MIDDLE 60s I'M
PRESUMING.

Dave says YES.

Steve says YOU DON'T SEEM TO BE THE KIND
OF GUY WHO WILL KICK HIS FEET UP
AND WATCH TV REFOR THE REST OF
YOUR DAYS.

Dave says I GOT GRANDCHILDREN, WE WANT
TO SPEND TIME WITH THEM, A BIT
OF -- MY WIFE HAS BEEN EXTREMELY
LONG SUFFERING AND LOVING IN THE
MIDST OF THIS I WANT TO DO THAT
MOST OF ALL I WANT TO GET A
SENSE OF HOW CAN I ADD VALUE
WITH THE REMAIN EVENING YEARS OF
MY LIFE.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT AS A
PERSON AND THERE IS SO MUCH
EVIDENCE THAT SAYS IT IS REALLY
GOOD TO KEEP YOUR HAND IN SOME
THINGS TO BE DOING SOMETHING.
AS A CHRISTIAN I FEEL THAT
PARTICULARLY STRONGLY AS WELL.
YOU NEVER RETIRE FROM LIFE.
There’s SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY
SO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN OUR
WORLD.
THAT WILL BE MY FOCUS.

Steve says YOU'RE ALWAYS SO, IN SPITE OF
IT ALL, CHEERY WHEN YOU COME IN
HERE AND I'D LOVE TO BE WITH
YOU AT ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS
WHEN YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR FIST
TO GOD AND ASKING “WHAT IN
HEAVEN'S NAME IS GOING ON
FATHER?”
MAYBE I'LL HAVE THE CHANCE TO
SEE ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS ONE
OF THESE DAYS.

Dave chuckles and says YEAH, WE NEED TO DO A TRIP.

The caption changes to "Theagenda.tvo.org"

Steve says DAVE IT IS NOT ONLY GOOD OF
YOU TO COME IN TODAY AND SHARE
YOUR LIFE STORY WITH US BUT YOU
GRACED OUR STUDIO SO MANY TIMES
OVER THE YEARS AND I’VE ALWAYS ENJOYED
THESE CONVERSATIONS.
THANKS SO MUCH AGAIN.

Dave says THANK YOU STEVE FOR YOUR
GREAT QUESTIONS.
I'M SO GRATEFUL.

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