Transcript: Walter Isaacson: Women of the Digital Revolution | Nov 03, 2014

Steve sits in the studio, facing the camera. He’s in his forties or early fifties, slim and clean shaven, with short brown hair. He’s wearing a grey suit jacket with a poppy on the lapel, a light blue shirt and striped blue and yellow tie. Behind him, a title on a wall screen reads The Agenda with Steve Paikin.

Steve says WE OFTEN HEAR A LOT
ABOUT THE FATHERS OF THE DIGITAL
REVOLUTION, BILL GATES, STEVE
JOBS, MARK ZUCKERBERG BUT WE
DON'T OFTEN HEAR OF THE CRITICAL
AND
FORGOTTEN ROLE THAT WOMEN PLAYED
IN THE EVOLUTION OF COMPUTER
TECHNOLOGY.
AUTHOR, WALTER ISAACSON WRITES
ABOUT THEM ALL IN HIS NEW BOOK
HE CALLED "THE INNOVATORS, HOW A
GROUP OF HACKERS, GENIUSES AND
GEEKS CREATED THE DIGITAL
REVOLUTION".

The cover of the book appears, showing black and white photos of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Alan Turing and a young woman intermingled with the title.

Steve continues AND HE JOINS US NOW
FOR MORE, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU
UP HERE IN TORONTO.

Walter is in his sixties or seventies, slim and clean shaven, with white hair. He’s wearing a dark suit jacket with a poppy on the lapel, a light blue shirt and maroon tie.

Walter says THANK YOU.
IT'S GOOD TO BE AT THIS TABLE.

Steve says AND WHAT NUMBER TRIP
IS THIS HERE FOR YOU TO
TORONTO.

A caption reads Walter Isaacson, author “The Innovators”.

Walter says MANY TIMES AND OTTAWA AS
WELL.
BECAUSE I USED TO BE WITH TIME
MAGAZINE.

A caption reads Women of the Digital Revolution, great minds think alike.

Steve says I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
FIRST OF ALL OF THE MANY PEOPLE
YOU PROFILE WHO HAVE INVENTED
THE, AS GEORGE BUSH CALLED IT, INTER WEBS WE ALL ENJOY
TODAY, WHAT'S THE ONE THING THEY
ALL SHARE IN COMMON.

Walter says FIRST OF ALL THEY ARE
REBELLIOUS.
OR DIFFERENT AS STEVE JOBS WOULD
SAY.
HE HAD THIS AD ABOUT THE MISFITS
AND THE REBELS AND THE ROUND
PEGS IN THE SQUARE HOLES.
EVERYBODY IN THIS BOOK SURPRISED
ME WITH HOW COLOURFUL AND QUIRKY
THEY ARE AND THAT LEADS THEM TO
BE INNOVATIVE.
YOU CAN'T BE INNOVATIVE UNLESS
YOU QUESTION THE PERCEIVED
WISDOM.

Steve says THE 9:00 TO 5:00 GUY
WON'T BE ON THE CUTTING EDGE.

Walter smiles and says NO YOU WILL HAVE TO WRITE
ABOUT INGENIOUS PEOPLE RATHER
THAN BE ONE.

Steve says YOU CHOSE FOUR
PEOPLE, THREE OF WHOM ARE WELL
KNOWN AND ONE NOT SO MUCH.
HOLD OFF ON HER FOR A SECOND.
BUT THESE FOUR, I'LL PUT THAT UP
HERE.

Steve holds up the book and continues
THERE YOU GO.
THOSE ARE THE FOUR.
WHY SINGLE THEM OUT FOR SPECIAL
TREATMENT ON THE COVER?

Walter says THOSE ARE THE ONES WHON
HAD MAJOR LEAPS.
WE HAVE ALAN TOURING AND HE
COMES UP WITH A CONCEPT OF AN
UNIVERSAL COMPUTER THAT CAN DO
ANY LOGICAL SEQUENCE AND HE ALSO
COMES UP WITH THE NOTION THAT
SOMEHOW COMPUTERS MIGHT BE ABLE
TO THINK WITHOUT US.
SOMETHING THAT'S NOT EXACTLY
TRUE AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE
IS BILL GATES AND STEVE JOBS,
VERY RECOGNIZABLE BUT I WANTED
TO SHOW THAT WHAT MADE THEM KIND
OF IMAGINATIVE AND WHY WERE THEY
ABLE TO TAKE THESE PASSIONATE
LEAPS THEY DID AND HOW DID THEY
FORM GREAT TEAMS AROUND THEM
WHICH IS ANOTHER THEME OF THE
BOOK.

Steve says LET ME ASK YOU THEN
TO FOCUS ON THE 4TH ONE WHO IS
THE ONE WE KNOW THE LEAST
ABOUT.
ADA LOVELACE.

A painting shows the young, dark haired Ada Lovelace, wearing a long, 19th century white dress.

Walter says SHE WAS LORD BYRON'S
DAUGHTER.

Steve says BYRON THE POET.

Walter says THAT'S RIGHT.
HER MOTHER AS YOU MIGHT SUSPECT
WASN'T PARTICULARLY FOND OF LORD
BYRON.
HE HAD TOO MUCH OF A ROMANTIC
STREAK AND SO SHE HAD HER
DAUGHTER TUTORED IN MATHEMATICS
AS IF THAT WOULD BE AN ANTIDOTE
TO BEING TOO ROMANTIC BUT NOT
TRUE.
SHE LOVES POETRY AND MATH AND
LOVES THE ARTS AND THE SCIENCES
JUST LIKE STEVE JOBS OR ALL THE
GREAT INNOVATORS.
THEY HAVE A FOOT IN BOTH CAMPS AND CALLS IT POETIC.

A caption reads Women of the Digital Revolution, Lady Lovelace’s objection.

Walter continues SHE LOOK AT THE PUNCH CARDS OF
SHOWING THE MECHANICAL LOOMS IN
ENGLAND HOW TO WEAVE PATTERNS
AND SAYS THESE PUNCH CARDS WITH
MY FRIEND CHARLES BABBAGE WHO
WAS MAKING A NUMERICAL
CALCULATOR.
WE COULD HAVE THE CALCULATOR DO
ANYTHING IT WON'T JUST BE
NUMBERS, IT CAN DO MUSIC AND
WORDS AND ART, IT CAN DO
ANYTHING THAT CAN BE NOTED IN
SYMBOLS AND SO SHE WAS THE FIRST
PERSON TO SEE A GENERAL PURPOSE
COMPUTER, WHAT WE CALL A
COMPUTER AND SHE EVEN WROTE
A STEP BY STEP SERIES OF
INSTRUCTIONS TO TEACH IT HOW TO
DO THINGS, IE, SHE IS THE FIRST
PERSON TO PUBLISH A COMPUTER PROGRAM AND THAT'S WHY WE CALL HER
THE FIRST COMPUTER PROGRAMMER.

Steve says YET SOME PEOPLE DISPUTE THAT.
DO YOU THINK THOSE ARE PEOPLE
WHO SIMPLY WEREN'T PREPARED TO
GIVE A WOMAN HER DO OR IS THERE
MORE TO IT THAN THAT?

Walter says I THINK SOMETIMES SHE GETS
GIVEN AN OUTSIZED REPUTATION,
BUT WHEN PEOPLE CRITICIZE HER
AND SAY SHE WASN'T QUITE AS GOOD
IN MATH AS SHE CLAIMED TO BE.
I SAY OKAY, SHE DID A COMPUTER
PROGRAM TO GENERATE BERNOULLI NUMBERS AND
TO TOOK ME FOUR DAYS WORKING ON
WHAT ARE BERNOULLI NUMBERS.
AND I SAID IF YOU DON'T THINK
SHE IS SO SMART, TELL ME WHAT
THE SEVEN, EIGHT AND 9TH BERNUI
NUMBERS ARE AND THAT SHUTS THEM
UP.

Steve says HAND HOW DID HER
CONTEMPORARIES VIEW HER.

Walter says SHE WAS PUBLISHED WITH HER OWN
INITIALS ON THE PAPER WHICH IS
UNUSUAL FOR A WOMAN, AND SHE WAS
A VERY ARISTOCRATIC WOMAN.
SHE WAS A COUNTESS OF LOVELACE
SO SHE WAS PRETTY WELL
RESPECTED.
SHE HAD A VERY CLOSE FRIEND,
MARY SOMERVILLE WHO WAS ALSO A
WOMAN SCIENTIST AND
MATHEMATICIAN AND THOSE ARE THE
TWO PIONEERS IN THE 1800S OF
WOMEN WHO SAY YES WE CAN BE
PUBLISHED IN MATH AND IN SOME
WAYS IT'S A SHAME BECAUSE WOMEN
WERE WRITTEN OUT OF THE HISTORY
OF MATH AND COMPUTING.

Steve says LET ME SHOW YOU THE
COVER AGAIN AND TELL ME IF THERE
IS ANYTHING TO THIS

Steve points at the picture of Alan Turing KILLED
HIMSELF

He points at the picture of Ada Lovelace DEAD AT 36 FROM
CANCER.
INTEREST IS SORT OF -- THERE SAY
TRAGIC ELEMENT.

Walter says A TRAGIC HERO.
ALLAN TOURING IS EVEN MORE
TRAGIC BECAUSE HE IS GAY AND HE
IS WORKING FOR BRITISH
INTELLIGENCE BREAKING THE GERMAN
CODES DURING THE WAR AND HE IS
NOT ASHAMED OF BEING GAY BUT
ENDS UP GETTING ARRESTED FOR IT,
BECAUSE BACK THEN, YOU KNOW, IT
WAS HARD TO BE GAY IF YOU WERE
IN INTELLIGENCE.
AND SO HE UNDERGOES HORMONE
TREATMENT.
THEY SENT HIM TO THAT.

Steve says ESTROGEN.

Walter says ESTROGEN IN ORDER -- AS IF HE
WERE A MACHINE.
AND THIS IS WHAT HIS WHOLE LIFE
IS ABOUT.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PEOPLE
AND MACHINES.
SO IT'S AS IF HE IS A MACHINE,
HE WILL BE REPROGRAMMED NOT TO
COMMIT HOMOSEXUAL -- OR BE
HOMOSEXUAL.
SEW GOES THROUGH IT ALL -- SO,
HE DWS THROUGH IT ALL -- HE GOES
THROUGH IT ALL AND TAKES IT IN
STRIDE BUT ONE DAY HE DIPS AN
APPLE INTO CYANIDE AND TAKES A
BITE AND COMMITS SUICIDE.
IT'S TRAGIC BUT ALSO A LITTLE
BIT OF AN UNDERSTANDING THAT HIS
NOTION OF THE IMITATION GAMES
THAT HUMANS AND MACHINES CAN'T
BE TOLD APART, I DON'T THINK A
MACHINE WOULD HAVE DIPPED AN
APPLE INTO CYANIDE.
IT DOES SHOW THAT WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT VERY HUMAN PEOPLE HERE.

Steve says AND SHE IS DEAD BY
36 OF UTERINE CANCER.

Walter says YES AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON
OPIUM.
EVERYBODY IN THIS BOOK AS I SAID
IS A LITTLE BIT REBELLIOUS AND A
LITTLE BIT OF A MISFIT AND I
THINK IT TAKES THAT TO BE
AN INNOVATOR.

Steve says I DON'T THINK THIS
WOMAN WAS A MISFIT CONSIDERING
SHE WAS IN THE MILITARY UNTIL
SHE WAS 80.

A black and white photo shows an old woman, in a dress and glasses, standing at an array of old open reel computers.

Walter says SHE IS A REBEL.
SHE GETS A PHD IN MATH FROM YALE
BACK IN THE 1930’S WHEN MANY WOMEN WERE
GETTING PHDs IN MATH AND IS
LEADING A MUNDANE LIFE.
SHE IS A MATH PROFESSOR AT A
COLLEGE AND THEN PEARL HARBOUR
HAPPENS SO SHE BECOMES A REBEL.
SHE LEAVES HER HUSBAND.
SHE GIVES UP HER JOB TEACHING
MATH AND SHE JOINS THE NAVY.
AND SHE THINKS SHE WANTS A MORE
EXCITING LIFE.

A caption reads Women of the Digital Revolution, paving the way forward.

Walter continues NOW THE NAVY RATHER THAN
ASSIGNING HER TO RUN A
BATTLESHIP, ASSIGNS HER TO BE
THE PROGRAMMER ON THIS COMPUTER
BEING BUILT IN HARBOUR FOR
MILITARY PURPOSES.
AND SO SHE BECOMES THE ORIGINAL
PROGRAMMER OF THE MARK 1IBM
COMPUTER AT HARVARD LIKE
THERE ARE SIX WOMEN PROGRAMMING ENIAC AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA.
SO YOU HAVE ALL THESE WOMEN WHO
ARE PIONEERS AND ARE ADA
LOVELACE'S PIONEERS.

Another black and white photo shows two younger women standing at a large computer.

Steve says AND THIS IS ENIAC.

Walter says AND THAT'S FRANCIS AND GENE
JENNINGS AND YOU SEE THE WAY
THEY PROGRAM ENIAC IS YOU HAVE
TO UNPLUG THEY WILL AND PLUG
THEY WILL IN AND AT ONE POINT
THE GUY PROGRAMMING IT SAID WHAT
DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ELECTRICITY
AND JEAN JENNINGS TALKED ABOUT
OHM LAW AND HE SAID I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU’RE AFRAID OF IT BECAUSE YOU’LL HAVE TO UNPLUG THINGS. SHE SAID LOOK, I’M A MATHEMATICIAN, A PHYSICIST, I’M NOT AFRAID OF ELECTRICITY..

Steve chuckles and says WOMEN HAVE NOT A WELL KNOWN
ROLE IN THE CREATION OF THE
WORLD'S FIRST COMPUTERS.

Walter says ESPECIALLY IN PROGRAMMING.
BOY WAS THEIR TOYS THOUGHT THE
HARDWARE WAS THE IMPORTANT PART,
HOW YOU BUILT THE MACHINE WAS
MOST IMPORTANT.
AND IN SOME WAYS, AT LEAST THE
WOMEN WHO DID ENIAC LATER SAID
THAT THE MEN THOUGHT THAT THE
NOTION OF HOW YOU PROGRAM IT AND
REREPROGRAM IT WAS A LITTLE BIT
MORE CLERICAL WORK.
NOW, OF COURSE, BY THE END OF
THE WAR, DOING MISSILE
TRAJECTORIES THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO
DO THAT.
THEY HAD TO DO ATOM BOMB TESTS
AND WEATHER AND THEY HAD TO BE
REPROGRAMMED AND THESE WOMEN
INCLUDING GRACE HOPPER CREATE
PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES LIKE COBOL A BUSINESS ORIENTED
LANGUAGE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CEO IS BUT
IT'S -- AND WHAT IT MEANS IS YOU
CAN DO PROGRAMS FOR DIFFERENT
PIECES OF HARDWARE, WHETHER IT'S
A SPERRY RAND OR A HONEYWELL OR
AN IBM, IT'S LIKE I WINDOWS
OPERATING SYSTEM, YOU CAN WORK
ON MANY PIECES OF HARDWARE.
SO THAT NOTION OF CREATING
SOFTWARE WAS SORT OF THE
PIONEERS WERE THE WOMEN.

Steve says THEY TRIED TO PUT
GRACE HOPPER OUT -- WELL PUT HER
OUT TO PASTURE IS STRONG BUT
THEY WANTED HER TO RETIRE AT A
CERTAIN AGE, FROM THE SERVICE
AND SHE DID FOR A YEAR BUT THEN
APPARENTLY THEY COULDN'T LIVE
WITHOUT HER AND BROUGHT HER
BACK.

Walter says THEY HAD TO REDO THE
PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES BUT ALSO,
SHE BECAME A SYMBOL.
BY THE END, SHE IS IN HER 80s
AND IS THE OLDEST ADMIRAL IN THE
NAVY AND YOU KNOW, SHE IS NOT
ONLY GETTING A MEDAL FROM RONALD
REAGAN BUT APPEARING ON THE
DAVID LETTERMAN SHOW AND THIS IS
GREAT, BECAUSE UP UNTIL THOSE
COUPLE OF TV APPEARANCES, PEOPLE
DIDN'T REALIZE, MY DAUGHTER
TURNED ME ON TO ADA LOVELACE AND
ADA HARPER WHEN SHE WAS IN HIGH
SCHOOL.
SHE SAID DAD, I DIDN'T KNOW
WOMEN WERE PROGRAMMERS AND THAT
WOMEN COULD BE IN COMPUTER
SCIENCE AND THE ONLY WOMAN
PROGRAMMER I HAD KNOWN OF WAS IN
A BATMAN COMIC AND THEN I SAW
THIS WOMAN, GRACE HARPER AND THEN
I READ ABOUT ADA LOVELACE AND
IT'S A SHAME THEY HAVE BEEN
MINIMIZED IN HISTORY
BECAUSE MORE GIRLS WOULD GO INTO
PROGRAMMING.

Steve says GRACE HARPER DID GET
SOMETHING BIG NAMED AFTER HER.

Walter says AND SO DID ADA LOVELACE.
ADA, THE DEFENCE DEPARTMENT
PROGRAMMING IS NAMED ADA AND I
AM GOING UP TO HARVARD IN TWO
WEEKS AND BEGINNING OF DECEMBER,
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE MARK
ONE IS STILL THERE IN THE LOBBY
OF THE SCIENCE CENTRE.
IF YOU GO THERE, A HUGE MACHINE
AND USED TO VAWL THESE
PICTURES -- TO HAVE ALL THESE
PICTURES AND PANEL BUT NO
PICTURE OF A WOMAN, JUST THE MEN
WHO BUILT IT AND I MENTIONED
THAT AND THEY GOT
EXERCISED AND
CHANGED THE DISPLAY AND NOW IN
DECEMBER THEY WILL HAVE GRACE
HARPER DAY.

Steve says DID THEY NAME
SOMETHING AFTER HER.

Walter says YEAH A BATTLE SHIP.
THE WOMEN OF ENIAC HAVEN'T GOT
THEIR DUE.
WITH JEAN JENNINGS AND FRANCIS.
AND I SAW A PICTURE OF JEAN
JENNINGS BUT SHE WAS SOMEBODY
WHO, THE -- GREW UP AS THE SIX
OR 7TH CHILDREN OF A POOR FARM IN MISSOURI.

A photo in washed out colours shows a smiling young woman with short reddish hair.

Walter continues THERE SHE IS, JUST
GORGEOUS AND SHE WROTE A BOOK
CALLED PIONEER PROGRAMMER BUT
YOU KNOW, THEY WERE NOT VERY
WELL KNOWN BECAUSE THEY DID IT
DURING THE WAR TIME SECRECY,
THEY WENT OFF TO ABERDEEN
PROVING GROUND TO BE TRAINED AND
THEN WHEN JOHN VAN NOYMAN
ARRIVES FROM LAOS AL MOSS TO DO
LAS ALAMO, HE HAS THESE
WOMEN HELP HIM FIGURE OUT HOW TO
PROGRAM THE ATOM BOMB.

Steve says AND WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG
FOR THAT PART OF HISTORY TO BE
TOLD?

Walter says I DON'T KNOW.
BECAUSE IT'S CERTAINLY
INTERESTING ESPECIALLY JEAN
JENNINGS.
I KNOW BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THEY
WERE DOING IT AND THEY WERE
RIGHT ABOUT HAVING TOM COLLINS
WHICH IS A GIN DRINK, SOMEONE
WILL TELL US HOW TO MICK A TOM
COLLINS, WITH ALL THEIR BOYS
THEY MET AT ABERDEEN PROVING
GROUND BUT THEY GET TO BE
SERIOUS MATHEMATICIANS AND I
DON'T KNOW WHY WE DON'T
CELEBRATE THEM MORE, WITH YOU
FRANKLY, MOST
PEOPLE DON'T
KNOW THE MEN WHO CREATED A
COMPUTER.
MOST WON'T KNOW JOHN MOCKLY.

Steve says OR STEVE WOZNIAK OR
STEVE JOBS.

Walter says I HOPE THIS BOOK GIVES ENOUGH
SHOUTOUTS AND CHAPTERS TO THE
WOMEN OF ENIAC.

Steve says LATER WE WILL SEE FOUR WOMEN WHO WILL TALK TO
US ABOUT THE SEXISM AMONG OTHER
THINGS BUT THE SEXISM IN THE
TECH. SECTOR.
IT'S OVERWHELMINGLY MALE
DOMINATED AND THE FACT THAT
THESE WOMEN HAVEN'T HAD THEIR
STORY TOLD UNTIL NOW BUTTRESSES
THEIR POINT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE
CONSEQUENCE OF THE TECH. SECTOR
GIVEN HOW YOU WROTE THE HISTORY
ABOUT IT, IF TO CHOOSES TO
SOMEHOW TURN ITS BACK ON HALF
THE POPULATION.

Walter says THIS IS A REVOLUTION, THE
DIGITAL REVOLUTION.
IT'S LIKE THE AMERICAN
REVOLUTION.
WE HAVE OUR HEROS IN THE
AMERICAN REVOLUTION OR THE
INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A REVOLUTION IN
WHICH YOU EXCLUDE HALF THE
PEOPLE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A
SUSTAINABLE REVOLUTION.
WHAT'S REALLY WEIRD IS ABOUT IN
1984, I THINK 38 PERCENT OF
PEOPLE GETTING COMPUTER SCIENCE
DEGREES IN NORTH AMERICA WERE
WOMEN.
THAT'S NOW BEENIN CUT IN
CUT IN HALF.
ONLY 17 PERCENT OF PEOPLE
GETTING A COMPUTER SCIENCE
DEGREE IN THE U.S. ARE WOMEN.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT ROLE
MODELS BUT I THINK THEY ARE NOW
STARTING TO GET THEM AND I HOPE
THIS BOOK GIVES MORE ROLE MODELS
BUT ALSO AND I THINK THE WOMEN
ON YOUR SHOW WILL TELL YOU,
THERE IS NOT A FRIENDLY OPEN
ATMOSPHERE AMONG SOME OF THE
HACKATHON, GAME-ATHON PEOPLE IN
THE TECH WORLD, BUT THAT'S GOT
TO CHANGE AND ESPECIALLY NOW
WITH PEOPLE LIKE MEGHAN SMITH
AND CHERYL SANDBERG AND MARISSA
MAIR.
SO MANY GREAT WILL AND WOMEN
ENGINEERS, I THINK IT'S
CHANGING.

Steve says THOUGH THE TITLE OF YOUR BOOK
IN PART USES A WORD WHICH MAY
EXPLAIN IT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF GEEKS IN THIS
FIELD AND GEEKS DON'T
NECESSARILY -- CAN I SAY THIS
OUT LOUD HERE? GEEKS DON'T KNOW
HOW TO RELATE TO WOMEN WHEN THEY
ARE CODING FOR 20 HOURS A DAY.

Walter AND THE GIRL GEEKS WILL
INHERIT THE WORLD.

Steve says THAT'S GOOD.
DO YOU THINK TODAY, THE DIGITAL
WORLD PRESENTS ENOUGH SAFE SPACE
FOR WOMEN TO SUCCEED IN?

Walter nods and says YES, I DO THINK, ESPECIALLY
NOW, THINGS ARE MOVING IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION BECAUSE EVERY
COMPANY -- GOOGLE HAS 85 PERCENT
OF THEIR ENGINEERS ARE MEN BUT
GOOGLE KNOWS THAT IT REALLY
NEEDS TO OPEN UP.
SO ANOTHER THING THAT YOU CAN
COUNT ON IS THAT GIRLS WHO CODE
GET JOBS.
IF YOU ENTER THE TECH SPACE AND
ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A WOMAN
ENGINEER I THINK YOU ARE IN HIGH
DEMAND BECAUSE I THINK THAT
COMPANIES WANT TO CHANGE AND
WANT TO OPEN UP THIS REVOLUTION
TO WOMEN AND BY THE WAY, ALSO,
TO PEOPLE OF COLOUR AND PEOPLE
BORN IN POOR BACKGROUND AND TO
ME ANOTHER WORRY IS YOU DON'T
WANT A REVOLUTION WHERE
PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T GROW UP WITH
WI-FI IN THEIR HOMES OR THEIR
OWN LAP TOPS GET EXCLUDED.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL PEOPLE
PLAY IN THE DIGITAL REVOLUTION.

Steve says SO HOW
SIGNIFICANT WAS IT THAT GOOGLE
AND APPLE WOULD OFFER TO THEIR FREE
MAIL EMPLOYEES THE RIGHT TO
FREEZE THEIR EGGS IF THEY WANT
TO POSTPONE PREGNANCY.

Walter smiles and says THAT'S A COMPLICATED ISSUE AND
I'M NOT THE BEST EXPERT
TO OPINE ON THAT.

Steve says SAFE TO SAY THAT THE
KIDS COMING UP TODAY IN SCHOOL,
WHO COULD TAKE EXAMPLES FROM
THIS BOOK, WHO ARE WOMEN, THEY
DON'T HAVE TO BE
SO AFRAID OF THIS
SECTOR ANY MORE.
IS THAT THE CONCLUSION YOU
WANT?

Walter says ABSOLUTELY.
WOMEN PROGRAMMERS ARE IN HIGH
DEMAND BUT ALSO, IT IS A SECTOR
THAT IS TRYING TO BE MORE
CREATIVE.
FOR A WHILE, THE INNOVATION SPACE
WAS DRIVEN MAINLY BY ENGINEERS.
BUT THIS PHASE OF THE REVOLUTION
WE ARE ENTERING IN NOW IS MAINLY
BY CREATIVE PEOPLE.
PEOPLE IN JOURNALISM AND ARTS
AND THEATRE WHO ARE CONNECTING
BOTH IN SOCIAL NETWORKS AND
CREATIVE ENTERPRISES INTO
TECHNOLOGY, SO YOU NEED A
BROADER BASE OF PEOPLE.
PEOPLE LIKE ADA LOVELACE OR
STEVE JOBS WHO COULD STAND AT
THE INTERSECTION OF THE CREATIVE
INDUSTRIES AND THE TECHNOLOGICAL
ENGINEERING INDUSTRIES.

Steve says IN MY LAST TEN SECONDS HERE I
AM TEMPTED TO ASK THE FORMER
CHAIRMAN OF CNN WHAT CHANNEL
WILL YOU BE WATCHING THE
ELECTION RETURNS ON TOMORROW
NIGHT?

Walter smiles and says I LOVE CNN AND I STILL THINK
WHEN BIG NEWS HAIPS GO THERE.
IF I WERE HERE AND I WOULD BE
WATCHING HERE, YOU BUT I THINK I
WILL BE BACK IN THE U.S. BY
THEN.

Steve says JUST CHECKING.
SO IT WILL BE CNN.

Walter says OH YEAH.
I AM A ANDERSON COOPER FAN.

A caption reads Women of the Digital Revolution. Theagenda.tvo.org.

Steve says WALTER ISAACSON WE
CONGRATULATE YOU ON THE GOOD
REVIEWS YOU ARE GETTING ON "THE
INNOVATORS," AND THANK YOU FOR
MAKING TIME FOR US AT TVO
TONIGHT.

Walter says THIS IS GREAT.
GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

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