Transcript: Jesse Hirsh: Send in the Drones | Sep 23, 2014

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a dark gray suit. He sits at a table in a television studio. A screen behind him reads “The Agenda. With Steve Paikin.”

Steve says ONCE FIRMLY PLANTED IN
THE REALM OF THE MILITARY,
DRONES NOW APPEAR POISED TO
CHANGE OUR DAILY LIVES.
JOINING US NOW FOR MORE ON THESE
CHANGING DEVELOPMENTS:
JESSE HIRSH, TECHNOLOGY
COMMENTATOR AND FOUNDER OF
METAVIEWS MEDIA MANAGEMENT.
JESSE, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE
YOU ON TVO.
NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

Jesse is in his thirties; he is clean-shaven, has short blond hair, and is wearing a dark brown suit. He sits at the table with Steve.

Jesse says NICE TO BE HERE, STEVE.

Steve says WE SHOULD LET PEOPLE
KNOW RIGHT AWAY THAT IF THEY GO
TO OUR WEBSITE, THEY WILL SEE A
NUMBER OF THE INTERVIEWS THAT WE
HAVE DONE IN THE PAST ON THE
MILITARY APPLICATIONS OF DRONES.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT
TODAY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BRAVE NEW
WORLD.
I WONDER WHEN PEOPLE WHO DO WHAT
YOU DO STARTED THINKING OF
DRONES WITH THIS OTHER
APPLICATION IN MIND.

A caption reads “Jesse Hirsh. Metaviews Media Management.”

Jesse says I THINK LAST
YEAR AS THE HOLIDAY SHOPPING
SEASON STARTED TO PICK UP,
CERTAINLY BOTH FOR KIDS AND FOR
ADULTS, THERE WAS A WIDE RANGE
OF TOYS THAT ARE DRONES, THAT
ARE UNMANNED AERIAL VEHICLES,
LIKE A GLORIFIED REMOTE CONTROL
CAR BUT CAN FLY AND IT HAS
SOFTWARE THAT MAKES IT FAIRLY
EASY TO PILOT.
I THINK IT'S BEEN THIS SUMMER
THAT I'VE BEEN SORT OF JOKING
WITH FRIENDS IS THE SUMMER OF
THE DRONE, BECAUSE MY FACEBOOK
FEED IS FULL OF PEOPLE TAKING
SHOTS OF THEIR OWN PROPERTY,
TAKING SHOTS OF THEIR VACATION.
SO INSTEAD OF THE USUAL SAY
CAMERA PHONE SHOTS, YOU'RE NOW
SEEING DRONE SHOTS.
I THINK IT'S CHANGING
PHOTOGRAPHY, THE WAY IN WHICH
SOCIAL MEDIA IS DRIVEN BY
IMAGES, THE WAY YOUTUBE PLAYS A
HUGE ROLE IN PEOPLE'S LIVES.
FOR THE IDEA THAT FOR A FEW
HUNDRED DOLLARS YOU CAN GET A
CAMERA ATTACHED TO A DRONE THAT
ALLOWS YOU TO TAKE SOME
FANTASTIC IMAGES AND SCENERY.

Steve asks WHAT'S THE APPEAL OF
THAT?

Jesse says I THINK PART
IS THE BIRD'S EYE VIEW TO
LITERALLY DO WHAT HUMANS HAVE
ALWAYS ASPIRED TO DO, WHICH IS
FLY.
IT'S INTOXICATING FROM A
TECHNOLOGY SENSE.
IT SPEAKS TO THE WORLD OF
SCIENCE FICTION THAT YOU HAVE
YOUR OWN ROBOT THAT CAN FLY AND
CHECK THINGS OUT.
THERE IS KIND OF A SURVEILLANCE
EFFECT TO IT, THE KIND OF LITTLE
BROTHERS AND LITTLE SISTERS
RATHER THAN BIG BROTHER BECAUSE
IT'S NEAT, WHETHER IT'S FOR
JOURNALISM, WHETHER IT'S FOR
MONITORING YOUR PROPERTY OR JUST
EXPLORING PARTS OF YOUR CITY --
I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE, AGAIN,
INTOXICATED, SEDUCED BY THE
POWER IT AFFORDS.

Steve says IT'S NEAT UNTIL YOU
FLIP IT OVER THE NEIGHBOUR'S
FENCE AND SPY ON THEM.
MORE ON THAT IN A SECOND.
YOU'VE BEEN TO SOUTH BY
SOUTHWEST IN AUSTIN, TEXAS?

Jesse says I HAVEN'T, NO.

Steve says A NUMBER OF PEOPLE
WE KNOW HAVE GONE TO THAT.
APPARENTLY THE CUPID DRONE WAS
DEMONSTRATED THERE EARLIER THIS
YEAR AND IT DOESN'T HAVE CAMERAS
ON IT, IT HAS AN 80,000-VOLT
TASER ON IT.
HAVE A LOOK.
ROLL TAPE.

A clip appears on screen, and a caption reads “CUPID Taser Drone Promotional Video. 2014.”
The clip shows a drone shooting a Taser to a man. The man falls on the floor.

A man narrates YOU'RE ON A LARGE SWATH OF
PROPERTY, SOMEONE CROSSES A
LINE, SETS OFF AN ALARM.
THE DRONE THEN DEPLOYS ITSELF.
IT FINDS THE PERSON.
IT KIND OF BUZZES AROUND THEM
AND YOU GET A PHONE NOTIFICATION
AND IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, SHOWS YOU
VIDEO FROM THE DRONE THAT SAYS
DETAIN OR AUTHORIZE.
IF YOU SAY DETAIN, AT THAT POINT
IT GOES BACK TO FULLY
AUTONOMOUS, IT NOTIFIES THE
AUTHORITIES A PRERECORDED
MESSAGE AND TELLS YOU TO PLEASE
KNEEL ON THE GROUND AND PUT YOUR
HANDS BEHIND YOUR HEAD.
IF YOU GO AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY
LINE, IT SAYS YOU'RE LEAVING,
BECOMING LESS OF A THREAT AND IT
HOVERS AND LETS YOU GO.
IF YOU TRY TO TAKE OUT THE
DRONE, IT CAN MAKE SEVERAL
AUTONOMOUS DECISIONS ON WHETHER
IT WILL TAZE YOU OR NOT.

The clip ends.

Steve says THAT'S CUPID, WHICH
STANDS FOR THE CHAOTIC UNMANNED
PERSONAL INTERCEPT DRONE.
WHAT DO WE THINK?

Jesse says IT'S ACTUALLY
NOT THE FIRST TO BE OUTFITTED
WITH A WEAPON OR TO BE SORT
OF -- IT'S KIND OF A HYBRID.
IT'S NOT MILITARY AND IT'S NOT
PERSONAL EITHER.
IT'S SORT OF IN THE HOME
SECURITY OR PROPERTY SECURITY
BUSINESS.
ACTUALLY, IT'S A SCARY TREND
BECAUSE THESE ARE ROBOTS WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
WE THINK OF THEM AS DRONES
BECAUSE OF THE UNMANNED AERIAL
VEHICLE.
BUT I LIKE THE WORDS “FLYING
ROBOT,” BECAUSE THE FACT IS A
ROBOT CAN BE PROGRAMMED TO DO
JUST ABOUT ANYTHING.
IN THIS CASE IT'S A SECURITY
APPLICATION.
I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED -- YOU
KNOW, THERE'S THE CONCEPT OF THE
HELICOPTER PARENT WHO HOVERS
OVER THEIR CHILD.
WHAT ABOUT THE CHILD CARE DRONE
THAT FOLLOWS THROUGH CHILD
THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE DAY.
YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT
YOUR CHILD IS DOING?
LOG INTO THE DRONE.
THERE YOU GO.
A BIRD'S EYE VIEW.
FACIAL RECOGNITION AND A TASER,
OTHERS HAVE BEEN OUTFITTED WITH
PAINT PELLET GUNS AND OTHERS
WITH WEAPONS THAT FIRE BULLETS.
YOU LOOK AT THE WIKI WEAPONS,
WHICH IS 3-D PRINTED PLASTIC
WEAPONS THAT HAVE THE SAME POWER
AS A GUN.
IT'S NOT HARD TO CREATE ADD-ONS
FOR CONSUMER DRONES THAT HAVE
THE SAME CAPABILITIES.

Steve asks CAN THIS POSSIBLY BE
LEGAL, YOU HAVING YOUR OWN
80,000-VOLT STUN GUN ON YOUR OWN
DRONE?

Jesse says GENERALLY
SPEAKING NO.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S A
GRAY AREA AROUND DRONES.
THERE ARE REGULATIONS THAT
GOVERN THEIR USAGE AND THERE ARE
SOME REGULATIONS THAT GOVERN
THEIR MANUFACTURE, BUT THE FACT
IS TECHNOLOGY IS OUTPACING THE
REGULATIONS.
TECHNOLOGY IS BASICALLY IN
UNANTICIPATED TERRITORY WHEN IT
COMES TO HOW WE REGULATE AIR
SPACE AND THERE ARE TWO SETS TO
THIS.
THERE'S THE CONSUMER LEVEL IN
WHICH YOU'RE BASICALLY FLYING
BELOW THE RADAR BUT THERE ARE
DRONES THAT CAN GO ABOVE
REGULATED AIR SPACE.
SO IN THAT SENSE IT'S AN AREA IN
WHICH WE DIDN'T THINK YOU COULD
HAVE ROBOTS THAT COULD GO HIGHER
THAN PLANES, BUT THEY EXIST AND
THEY ALLOW A WHOLE OTHER LEVEL
OF SURVEILLANCE AND
COMMUNICATION.

Steve says GOOGLE AND AMAZON
ARE ALL OVER THIS.
WHAT ARE THEY UP TO?

Jesse says GOOGLE AND
AMAZON WANT TO MAKE IT SO
THERE'S PURE INSTANT
GRATIFICATION FOR SHOPPING.
WHEN YOU DO THAT ONE CLICK
PURCHASE, YOU GET YOUR GOODS AS
FAST AS POSSIBLE.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS A HUMAN
MAY HAVE ISSUES BUT A FLYING
ROBOT, THEY CAN DELIVER IT IN NO
TIME.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, AMAZON
ANNOUNCED THEIR DRONE DELIVERY
PROGRAM ON APRIL THE FIRST.
SO I ASSUMED FOR MONTHS IT MUST
BE A JOKE UNTIL GOOGLE ANNOUNCED
THEY HAD BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR
TWO YEARS, SOMETHING CALLED
“PROJECT WING,” AND WHERE THE
AMAZON DRONE IS A QUAD, HAS FOUR
DIFFERENT PROPELLERS, FAIRLY
EASY TO FLY.
FAIRLY STANDARD.
GOING THE HAS A DIFFERENT
DESIGN, A UNIQUE DESIGN, IT'S
ABLE TO TAKE OFF VERTICALLY AND
SWITCH TO HORIZONTAL.
IT HAS ITS OWN WINCH THAT ALLOWS
IT TO LOWER AND RAISE THE
DELIVERY PACKAGE.
SO THESE ARE TWO DIGITAL
COMPANIES WHO ARE ACTIVE IN THE
E-COMMERCE SPACE SAYING FORGET
THE LOGISTICS INDUSTRY, FORGET
TRUCKS, FORGET CANADA POST.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DRONES
DELIVERING YOUR PACKAGES AND
GOOGLE USES THE PHRASE “WITHIN
MINUTES.”
SO AT THE MOMENT YOU PURCHASE
SOMETHING, NOT WITHIN AN HOUR,
NOT WITHIN 30 MINUTES, WITHIN
MINUTES -- OF COURSE, MAJOR
DOWNTOWN URBAN CENTRE -- BUT
NONETHELESS THEY SEE ROBOTS AS A
WAY TO GIVE TOTAL CONSUMER
GRATIFICATION.

Steve says UNBELIEVABLE.

Jesse says SURREAL IS THE
WORD I USE.

Steve says SURREAL. OK.
HERE’S UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON
AND SCHOOL OF LAW PROF. RYAN CALO
WHO SAYS THE FOLLOWING.

A caption appears on screen, and Steve reads it.

Steve says TO A FAR GREATER DEGREE THAN
AMAZON, GOOGLE HAS A HISTORY OF
WORKING WITH POLICY MAKERS AND
STAKEHOLDERS ON TECHNOLOGY REFORM.
THINK NET NEUTRALITY, FAIR USE,
PRIVACY, AND RECENTLY
TRANSPORTATION. ADDING GOOGLE’S
VOICE COULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT EFFECT
ON REGULATORY POLICY TOWARD DRONES.
YOU AGREE?

Jesse says ABSOLUTELY.
AND I SAY IT IN THE POSITIVE
SENSE, THAT THE DRONES HAVE
OUTPACED REGULATION.
IN FACT, ONE COULD ARGUE THAT
REGULATORY AGENCIES ARE
HARD-PRESSED TO KEEP UP WITH THE
RAPID PACE OF TECHNOLOGICAL
CHANGE.
IT'S WHY ORGANIZATIONS LIKE
GOOGLE ARE HELPING TO BOTH
DEVELOP THAT CAPACITY BUT ALSO
TO WRITE THE POLICY, AND THAT'S
MAYBE WHERE THERE'S CONCERN,
THAT THERE AREN'T THE PUBLIC
INTEREST GROUPS, THAT THERE
AREN'T POLITICIANS THAT ARE
SAVVY ENOUGH OR LITERATE ENOUGH
TO BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE THESE
PRIORITIES, SO IT ENDS UP BEING
THE INDUSTRY SELF-REGULATING
ITSELF BY WRITING ITS OWN RULES.
BUT LET'S FACE IT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A COMMERCIAL.
THE INDIVIDUAL, THE CONSUMER, I
DON'T THINK THEY'LL CARE.
I THINK THAT THEY'LL GET THE
DRONE AND THEY'LL DO WITH IT
WHAT THEY WISH, OFTEN TO GREAT
DETRIMENT OR HARM, BUT I THINK
THAT'S A BROADER CULTURE OR
PUBLIC AWARENESS PROGRAM IN
TERMS OF HOW ARE DRONES USED
RESPONSIBLY?
SHOULD YOU DRINK AND DRONE?
WHAT ARE THESE KINDS OF CULTURES
AND PRACTICES.
I THINK WE'RE STUMBLING THROUGH
THE DARK AS WE TRY TO FIGURE
THAT OUT.

Steve says IT'S CLEARLY PERHAPS
ONE OF THE MOST DISRUPTIVE
TECHNOLOGIES IN THE HISTORY
OF -- CAN YOU SAY MANKIND
ANYMORE?
HUMANKIND, PERSONKIND, WHATEVER.
IF YOU COULD SHOP ONLINE ON
AMAZON AND THEN 3 MINUTES LATER
HAVE THE PACKAGE DELIVERED TO
YOUR HOME BY A DRONE.
THERE IS SOMETHING KIND OF NEAT
ABOUT THAT.
DO YOU SEE A DOWNSIDE?

Jesse says WELL, THE
DOWNSIDE IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.
I MEAN, ECONOMISTS HAVE TURNED
THE PHRASE “THE WAL-MART EFFECT.”
TO LOOK AT THE BIG BOX STORE'S
IMPACT ON MAIN STREET.
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T EVEN
NEED THE LOCAL RETAILER.
IF THE SEARCH ENGINE CAN DELIVER
ALL OF YOUR GOODS?
FURTHER, AMAZON AND GOOGLE ARE
PURSUING THIS CONCEPT CALLED
AMBIENT COMMERCE.
AS WE ALL KNOW FROM USING THE
SEARCH ENGINE, IF YOU USE IT
ENOUGH IT GETS TO KNOW YOU.
AS YOU START TYPING YOUR SEARCH
REQUEST, GOOGLE ANTICIPATES
THAT.
WHAT IF YOU ORDER ALL YOUR
TOILET PAPER FROM GOOGLE?
IT TURNS OUT WE USE TOILET PAPER
IN A FAIRLY REGULAR PREDICTABLE
MODEL AS WITH OTHER HOUSEHOLD
ITEMS.
GOOGLE WILL START DELIVERING
THESE PRODUCTS TO YOUR DOOR
WITHOUT YOU HAVING TO ORDER
THEM.

Steve says THEY'LL ANTICIPATE
WHEN YOU NEED IT.

Jesse says YES.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ALREADY BUYING
YOUR STUFF FROM THEM AND YOU
HAPPEN TO BE A CREATURE OF HABIT
AS MOST HUMANS ARE, THE DRONE
ISN'T JUST ABOUT FASTER
DELIVERY, IT'S ABOUT LOYALTY.
IT'S ABOUT MAKING SURE YOU BUY
FROM THEM.
SO THE ECONOMIC IMPACT, WHETHER
IT'S THE MAIN STREET RETAILER OR
EVEN CANADIAN BIG BOX CHAINS,
HOW DO THEY COMPETE UNLESS THEY
HAVE THEIR OWN DRONE AIR FORCE
TO PROVIDE THAT SAME LEVEL OF
INSTANT GRATIFICATION?

Steve says DRONE AIR FORCE.
I'M PICTURING THE JETSONS RIGHT
NOW, WHICH YOU'RE TOO YOUNG TO
REMEMBER.

Jesse says NOT AT ALL.
ROSIE THE ROBOT.

Steve says THERE YOU GO.
THERE'S A BRAVE NEW WORLD COMING
WHERE THERE ARE -- WHAT? -- TENS
OF THOUSANDS OF DRONES IN THE
AIR.
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED AIR TRAFFIC
CONTROLLERS TO MAKE SURE THEY
DON'T CRASH INTO EACH OTHER.
WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES
BUT...

Jesse says ARE THE AIR
TRAFFIC CONTROLLER HUMANS?
ARE THE DRONES ABLE TO
COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER VIA
THEIR OWN PEER-TO-PEER NETWORK
THAT BOTH ENSURES THEY DON'T
COLLIDE.
WOULDN'T IT BE MORE EFFICIENT IF
YOU COULD HAVE DRONE RELAY?
THE PACKAGE MIGHT BE PASSED OFF
IN THE AIR MULTIPLE TIMES AMIDST
SMALLER AND MEDIUM.
AGAIN, THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF
SCIENCE FICTION BUT IT'S
HAPPENING SO FAST AND THESE ARE
MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR
ORGANIZATIONS WHICH ARE
PRIORITIZING RESOURCES TO MAKE
IT HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, WE JOKE, BUT THERE
WILL BE THOUSANDS OF DRONES IN
THE AIR WITHIN FIVE YEARS.

Steve says COMMERCIAL DRONES
APPARENTLY SELL FOR 50,000 OR
100,000 BUCKS.
CAMERA STORES ARE SELLING DRONES
FOR 500 TO 1,000 DOLLARS.
I WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS
PROMOTIONAL VIDEO HERE FOR A
MINIATURE PERSONAL DRONE WHICH
IS PRICED IN THE VICINITY OF
100 DOLLARS.
ROLL TAPE.

A clip plays. It shows a man holding a small drone in his hand. The drone starts flying and records a video of the man.

The Announcer says THE CAM LAUNCHES
FROM THE PALM OF YOUR HAND AND
HOVERS INSTANTLY.
IT STREAMS VIDEO TO YOUR PHONE
OR TABLET, TO CAPTURE YOUR EVERY
MOMENT.
YOUR NEW ME CAM VIDEOS ARE
EASILY SHARED ON ALL SOCIAL
MEDIA PLATFORMS.
NO REMOTE CONTROL.
YOU TAKE CONTROL OF THE COPTER
WITH VOICE COMMANDS OR THE ME
CAM AUTOMATICALLY FOLLOWS YOUR
EVERY MOMENT.
GET READY TO ME CAM YOURSELF.

The clip ends.

Jesse says THAT'S HILARIOUS.

Steve asks THOUGHTS?

Jesse says THEY MIGHT
WANT TO LICENSE IT TO SOCIAL
MEDIA COMPANIES, THIS IS YOUR ME
CAM, AND INSTAGRAM IS PERHAPS
THE NEXT LEVEL OF DRONE
PHOTOGRAPHY OR FACEBOOK WILL
HELP YOU CAPTURE THOSE MOMENTS.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF
DISPOSABLE TECHNOLOGY.
THE REASON YOU CAN SELL A DRONE
FOR 100 DOLLARS IS IT'S GOING TO BREAK.
SO YOU THINK THE PERSON BUYING
THE DRONE THINKS I'LL SPEND
100 DOLLARS, BUY ONE.
REALISTICALLY THEY'LL BUY FIVE.
THE FIRST MIGHT PIQUE THEIR
INTEREST, ALLOW THEM PHOTOGRAPHS
THEY WOULDN'T OTHERWISE.
THAT'S THE DESIGN OF THE LOW END
DRONES.
THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BREAK.
CERTAINLY THEIR BATTERY LIFE IS
SO SHORT THAT IT'S A WAY TO GET
PEOPLE HOOKED.
IT'S A WAY TO GET PEOPLE
INTERESTED.

Steve says THAT'S THE POINT,
RIGHT?
IT FORESEES A WORLD WHERE NOT
JUST COMPANIES, NOT JUST
MILITARIES BUT EACH OF US HAS
OUR OWN DRONE.

Jesse says IT'S FUNNY, I
DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT YOU ARE
RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR KIDS.
I KNOW A LOT OF PARENTS WHO HAVE
TO TEXT THEIR KIDS TO TELL THEM
IT'S TIME FOR DINNER.

Steve says EVERYBODY DOES THAT
NOW.

Jesse says YOU SEND A
DRONE.
IT'S DINNER TIME, DRONE.
GO UPSTAIRS AND TELL THEM TO
COME DOWN FOR FOOD.
THAT WAS PART OF WHAT THAT AD
IMPLIED BY VOICE COMMANDS.
INSTEAD OF COMMUNICATING
DIRECTLY, WE'LL USE THE DRONE AS
OUR MAJOR DOMO TO HANDLE THE
AFFAIRS OF THE HOUSEHOLD.

Steve says I KNOW I SHOULD KNOW
THIS BUT I'M NOT QUITE AS TECH
SAVVY AS YOU ARE.
WHAT'S THE PIRATE BAY?

Jesse says THE PIRATE BAY
IS THE WORLD'S LEADING SEARCH
ENGINE FOR ILLICIT CONTENT.
MOSTLY PIRATED GOODS.
AND THEY'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL AT
AVOIDING ALL ATTEMPTS TO SHUT
THEM DOWN.
AND THAT'S CREATED A KIND OF
TECHNOLOGY LIBERATION MOVEMENT
AT THE FOREFRONT THAT SAYS (a)
THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY COPYRIGHT
AND (b) ALL INFORMATION SHOULD
BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE.
AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOT AN
INTERESTING DRONE PROJECT.

Steve says TELL ME ABOUT IT.

Jesse says SO THE PROBLEM
IN COUNTRIES LIKE THE UNITED
KINGDOM IS THEY BLOCK THE PIRATE
BAY.
IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE.
IT'S BY LAW ALL ISPs HAVE TO
FILTER IT AND PREVENT THEIR
SUBSCRIBERS FROM GETTING IT.

Steve asks DO THEY?

Jesse says THEY DO.
NOT SUCCESSFULLY BUT FOR THE
MOST PART.
THE PIRATE BAY WANTS TO HAVE ITS
OWN FORCE, ITS OWN AIR FORCE OF
DRONES, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE
INTERNET ACCESS THAT WOULD BE
UNFETTERED FROM ANY LAWS OF
COPYRIGHT OR INTELLECTUAL
PROPERTY.
SO THE IDEA THAT YOU WOULD HAVE
A PEER-TO-PEER NETWORK OF FLYING
ROBOTS THAT WOULD PASS DATA
AMONGST EACH OTHER, EACH WOULD
HAVE 4G CONNECTIVITY, SO THAT
ANYONE ON THE GROUND COULD
CONNECT TO THIS NETWORK AND IT
WOULD NOT ONLY CONNECT THEM TO
THE INTERNET BUT IT WOULD
CONNECT THEM TO THE GREAT WORLD
OF PIRATED CONTENT, WHETHER
SOFTWARE, WHETHER MUSIC, WHETHER
MOVIES.
SO IT'S THE IDEA OF CREATING AN
ALTERNATE INTERNET THAT DOES NOT
HAVE COPYRIGHT AND IS DRIVEN BY
DRONES.
AND GRANTED THIS SOUNDS LIKE A
WILD IDEA, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY
ACHIEVED BY A GROUP CALLED
ELECTRONIC DISTURBANCE IN THE
U.K. WHO DID IT USING WI-FI, IN
WHICH THEY HAD DRONES FLYING
OVER A NEIGHBOURHOOD THAT WERE
ABLE TO PROVIDE FREE INTERNET
ACCESS TO ANYONE WHO IS IN RANGE
AND THAT MASH OF DRONES IS ABLE
TO BOUNCE DATA FROM ROBOT TO
ROBOT.
NOW, THIS IS THE WORLD OF
PIRACY.
IT TURNS OUT THAT GOOGLE AND
FACEBOOK ARE PURSUING THE SAME
THING.
FACEBOOK FOR PURPOSES OF
CONNECTING THE DEVELOPING WORLD,
AND GOOGLE FOR PURPOSES OF
CONNECTING EVERYONE AND
EVERYTHING.
THEY BOTH COMPETED OVER BUYING A
COMPANY CALLED TITAN AEROSPACE.
SO TITAN AEROSPACE MAKES THESE
KINDS OF DRONES THAT I MENTIONED
THAT CAN FLY SO HIGH THAT THEY
GET ABOVE REGULATED AIR SPACE.
BUT THEY STILL HAVE TRANSMISSION
CAPABILITIES THAT ALLOW THEM TO
FLY UPWARDS OF 40, 50,
60,000 FEET AND PROVIDE INTERNET
ACCESS TO PEOPLE BELOW.
SO WHAT IF GOOGLE DECIDES THAT
THEY WANT TO USE TORONTO AS A
TEST BED AND HAVE THEIR DRONES
FLYING OVER THE CITY AND SAY:
FORGET ROGERS.
FORGET BELL.
WE ARE PROVIDING FREE INTERNET
ACCESS TO YOU AS LONG AS YOU USE
YOUR SERVICES AND WATCH OUR
ADVERTISING.
IT WOULD BE A VERY POPULAR
INTERNET SERVICE AND I
ABSOLUTELY EXPECT BOTH GOOGLE
AND FACEBOOK TO OFFER IT.
THE QUESTION IS WHERE?
FACEBOOK SAYS IN THE DEVELOPING
WORLD.
I THINK GOOGLE'S GOING TO DO IT
FIRST IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD.

Steve says JUST IN OUR LAST 30
SECONDS, OF ALL THE DIFFERENT
KINDS OF DRONE TECHNOLOGY WE
HAVE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, WHICH
ONE DO YOU THINK IS THE MOST
LIKELY TO MOST FUNDAMENTALLY
CHANGE OUR LIVES?

Jesse says I THINK THE
BIGGEST IS THE PERSONAL, THAT IS
MORE PEOPLE GET IT.
THEY'LL CHANGE THEIR HABITS,
THEIR LIVES, AND IN PARTICULAR,
IT WILL ALLOW FOR CITIZEN
SCIENCE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT TECHNOLOGY THAT COULD BE
GATHERING DATA.
CLIMATE DATA.
ECONOMIC DATA.
TRAFFIC DATA HERE IN ONTARIO.
SO I THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS
PEOPLE WILL BUY THESE 100 DOLLARS, 200
DOLLARS DRONES.
THEY'LL TAKE SOME PHOTOS.
BUT THEN THE REAL BIG APP. THAT
WILL CHANGE THE WORLD IS CITIZEN
SCIENCE, IS THE RESEARCH THAT
CAN BE DONE USING THOUSANDS,
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF VOLUNTEERS
WITH THEIR DRONES.
CLIMATE CHANGE BEING A BIG ONE,
BUT TRANSPORTATION AND URBAN
PLANNING IS A LOW HANGING FRUIT
THAT CERTAINLY SOUTHERN ONTARIO
NEEDS.

Steve says JESSE, EVERY TIME
YOU COME IN HERE I DON'T KNOW
WHETHER TO BE DAZZLED OR
TERRIFIED ABOUT THE FUTURE.
MAYBE A LITTLE OF BOTH.

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