Transcript: The 411 on vaccine QR codes | Oct 19, 2021

Welcome, everyone,
to the
I'm Steve Paikin.
And I'm John Michael McGrath.
We're still more than
half a year away from
the next Ontario election,
and yet the TV ads
for the political parties
are all over the place
these days.
We'll tell you
what they're saying
and why they're showing up now.
Last week, the NDP unveiled
their star candidate.
This week,
the Liberals introduced theirs.
And guess what:
they're both contesting
the same Toronto riding.
We'll tell you more about
who the Liberals will run
in Don Valley West.
Steven Del Duca is making
some ambitious promises
and vows he'll resign
if he doesn't keep them.
We'll tell you what the Liberal
leader has up his sleeve.
And the new QR codes are here.
We'll get you caught up on
what that means
if you want to go to
a restaurant,
a hockey game or a movie.
It's Tuesday, October 19, 2021,
so let's get to it.
Okay, JMM. Let's start with
last Friday's big announcement.
Bring us up to date on that.
So, the government has started
rolling out
the new updated
vaccine passports
for people in Ontario,
and it comes in two parts.
The first are these QR codes
that people can download
from the Province's website.
And the second part is an app
for Android and iPhones
that can scan the QR codes.
The government had set
a deadline of having them out
by October 22.
They have beat that deadline
by about a week.
These QR codes are more secure
and easier to use
than the previous receipts,
so that's why they are
in a hurry to get them out.
And how do people get them?
Well, for the QR codes,
those can be downloaded directly
from the Province's website.
It's the same website
where people got their
vaccine receipts last time.
That is, of course,
if you've got one of the current
green health cards.
If you are one of the people
who's on the older
red-and-white cards
or you don't have a health card,
or if you are just not
super proficient with computers,
you can call 1-833-943-3900,
and they can get you started.
As for the app, most people
probably won't actually need it
at all.
It's mainly for businesses
who want to check
people's status at the door.
That said,
the app is free to download
for anyone with an iPhone
or Android phone.
I have to confess,
I've put it on my phone
and, you know, futzed around
with it a little bit on Friday.
And you know, it's a very
simple, straightforward app.
But again, unless you are,
I don't know,
maybe holding a very large
family gathering at Christmas
and want to check everybody's
vaccine status,
I can't imagine why most people
would need the app itself.
I just want to check
one thing with you.
"Futzed" is a technical term
that your generation uses.
Is that right?
Uh, yes, yes.
It's a highly,
highly technical term,
along with "kludged"
and a few others.
Got it. Okay. Now, a question:
do people have to do this?
Not right now, no.
You can still fumble around
for your piece of paper
proving that you've been
The government may require
people to switch over
at some point in the future.
That was a possibility
that was sort of, um,
discussed vaguely in the
technical briefing on Friday.
But that's not happening now,
and I can't imagine
it would happen
without a pretty substantial
warning period.
For now, if you have
the vaccine certificate receipt
that you, you know, printed out
when the government
first announced this
back in September,
that will continue to work
for at least for a while longer.
Will this new app store
your personal information?
It does not collect
any personal health information.
It does collect
some very sort of general...
...sort of, um, data about
the use of the app itself.
It does not collect
any personal health information.
It also--
Because of the design
they've chosen,
it actually doesn't even need
to be connected to the internet
to work, which I find
very interesting.
So, no.
I mean, the point of the app
is very much putting people's
privacy front and centre.
I suppose there are
privacy advocates
who would say that none of this
is terribly privacy-friendly,
because, of course,
we are asking people
to disclose
their vaccination status.
But within the bounds
of that policy,
the app is designed
to really protect
people's privacy.
And that, by the way, is
why they are not using it to--
In combination with some of
the contact tracing apps
that we've had around (Unclear)
for more than a year now,
because the contact tracing apps
need to collect information
that the verification app
So, they want to keep those
totally separate
and not risk
a potential privacy hole there.
I guess we should call the thing
by its proper name.
It's actually called
Verify Ontario.
And even though
it's got "Ontario" in the name,
can it read QR codes
from other provinces?
Yes, it can.
Not all provinces yet
have issued
these same kinds of QR codes.
But this is, like,
a standardized implementation
that I suspect all the provinces
are going to get on eventually.
But numerous provinces,
including, I believe,
BC and Alberta.
I think there's some issue
with Manitoba at the moment.
The government would obviously
prefer that the app worked
with as many provincial QR codes
as possible,
just to make it easier
for everybody.
And let's do one other
COVID-related follow-up here.
We learned last week that
there are still, you know,
really thousands upon thousands
of healthcare workers
who are unvaccinated.
And the premier has again
encouraged them to get the jab,
but he is leaving it to
the hospitals themselves
to decide whether to make it
What's the thinking there?
You know, the premier
and presumably,
the health minister,
are worried about the
possibility of labour shortages.
You know, we already have
a shortage of nurses
in Ontario's hospitals
and long-term-care homes.
And so, there's a concern about
doing anything that would
make that even worse
than it already is.
That said, you know, the
Ontario Hospital Association,
among others, have backed all of
the previous measures
the government has implemented
to push more healthcare workers
into getting vaccinated.
So, it will be interesting
to see, you know,
what the government does if,
in response to this open letter
the premier has sent--
You know, if hospital operators
come back and say,
"Yes, give us
the vaccine mandate
and we'll figure out the rest,"
that will put the onus back on
the government to do something.
Now, that's the hospital sector.
We should say that
the clock is ticking
on the long-term-care sector,
because the government
has decided that all PSWs,
personal support workers
who work in long-term care,
must be vaccinated
by the middle of November.
Other provinces
have also made those demands
but then backed off, for fear of
losing long-term-care workers.
Any sense that Ontario may be
considering easing off as well?
Not yet.
As you mentioned, I mean,
Québec, I think, is probably
the largest province
that has had to back off
or at least postpone
its deadline for vaccinations.
But so far in Ontario,
it is full steam ahead.
You know,
this is obviously a sector
where in most
long-term-care homes,
the very, very large majority
of workers are vaccinated.
But there have been outbreaks
connected to some homes
where it's, you know,
still more than half,
but less than 80%, and
in some cases, less than 70%
of the staff
have been vaccinated.
All right. Let's talk--
You're going to think
I'm crazy here,
'cause I want to talk baseball
on the
(John Michael chuckling)
Why does he want to talk
Well, follow me, if you will.
There I was Thursday night,
watching Game 5
of the National League
Divisional Series
between the Los Angeles Dodgers
and the San Francisco Giants.
As I'm sure, John Michael,
you were as well.
Mmm, maybe not. Okay.
Yes. Yes, I was.
Those are two baseball teams.
STEVE (Laughing):
Oh, my gosh. Okay.
Well, what did I see during many
of the between-innings
commercial breaks?
Political ads from Ontario.
Lots of them, actually.
In this case, it was the
PC Party that was running ads,
and they were what's called
contrast ads,
which is a nice way of saying
they were designed to attack
both NDP leader Andrea Horwath
and Liberal leader
Steven Del Duca.
So, let's dive into this
for a bit.
We are seeing these ads now
even though we are still
seven and a half months
away from the next election.
How come?
Well, the Ford government
brought in these new
election advertising laws.
You may recall back in June,
they used
the notwithstanding clause
to overcome a court challenge.
There are strict rules
that kick into place
six months before the election,
so they are taking advantage of
being just outside of
that window.
We are, what, seven
and a half months, as you say?
So, they are-- You know,
they have money to spend,
so they are going to spend it
before the new rules kick in.
So, that's the why
it's happening now.
Let's listen to a little bit of
what they're saying in the ads.
Andrea Horwath is a politician
that says one thing
and does another.
She talks about tackling
the housing crisis,
but opposes building more homes.
She says she stands
with workers,
but supports
job-killing red tape.
She talks about how expensive
everything is,
but plans to raise your taxes.
She says she's against gridlock
but opposes building
new highways.
Ontario NDP's Andrea Horwath:
a politician
that says one thing
and does another.
Okay. Just for fun,
let's talk about
how accurate that ad is.
Okay? Let's go through this.
Point number one: Horwath
apparently talks about tackling
the housing crisis,
but opposes building more homes.
John Michael, true or false?
Uh, I would say false.
You know, neither the NDP
nor Andrea Horwath
oppose building new homes.
They have opposed
building new homes
in environmentally sensitive
or they have opposed
the Province's use of
ministerial zoning orders to
overrule local planning rules.
You know, that's obviously
a more nuanced position
than you can get into
a 30-second ad,
and it probably only speaks to
planning nerds like me,
but it would also be
more accurate.
(Both chuckling)
Okay. Point number two:
she says she stands with workers
but opposes
job-killing red tape.
True or false?
JOHN MICHAEL (Chuckling):
Well, you know,
one person's
job-killing red tape
is another person's
reasonable regulation,
meant to ensure clean water,
clean air, worker safety,
that kind of thing.
So again, it's really in
the eye of the beholder.
Point number three:
she plans to raise your taxes.
True or false?
This one is almost certainly
If you are hearing this
advertisement on the radio
or watching it on TV,
unless you are in
one of society's
highest income brackets,
it's just not really the case.
You know, I didn't hear the ad
make that distinction.
You know, it just says,
"your taxes."
Well, you know, if you make
half a million dollars a year,
yeah, she might go after you.
But for the vast majority
of Ontarians,
people who are not in that,
you know,
top 1%, there's no indication
that the NDP
are going to come after them
with tax increases.
Let's keep going.
Here's point number four.
"She's against gridlock,"
the ad says,
"but opposes
building new highways."
And the graphic
over that voiceover says,
"Highway 413."
Again, true or false?
Now, this is accurate.
(Chuckling) This might be
the only one in the ad.
Yes, the NDP and Andrea Horwath
have opposed building
the 413 highway, and you know,
so do a lot of other people
who don't think that we need
this brand-new,
400-series, multi-billion-dollar
The proponents say that
we need more highways
to alleviate traffic congestion.
But you know, there's a history
to this stuff,
and every time we have built
a new highway,
it has encouraged more people
to drive
and it becomes congested
in very short order.
And that's not just
an Ontario story, either.
So, you know,
it's open to question
as to whether building the 413
really makes any sense,
even on its own terms
of reducing congestion.
You know,
the previous Liberal government
estimated that
when it was complete,
the 413 might save commuters
less than a minute
in terms of total travel time.
The current government says it
could be as much as 30 minutes,
but you know, you got to
warn people about this stuff.
There's a real history of just
rosy, optimistic projections
behind these kinds of projects.
All right.
I think the people
who look at these ads
and try to discern
their truthfulness give out--
Well, I guess they measure it
in terms of Pinocchios.
How many Pinocchios
do you want to give that ad,
as in how truthful was it?
Uh, it's not great,
but I don't know. Are we doing
this on a scale of four, five?
(Both laughing)
I do want to say that
on the housing charge,
you know,
I'm a bit of a housing nerd.
But you know, the Tories are
doing something here
that every political party does,
and I have to say it drives me
a little bit nuts.
Basically, they're saying that
if you don't want
to build housing the
specific way that the Tories do,
you don't support
building new homes.
But you know, politics
is about disagreement,
and parties disagree about
how best to accomplish things.
That's how
it's supposed to work.
So, you know, just because
the NDP don't agree with
Steve Clark's use of MZOs
doesn't mean that they are
intrinsically opposed
to building new homes.
Okay. That was a look at the ad
against the Opposition leader,
Andrea Horwath.
Let's look at the other contrast
ad that the Tories are running.
This one is against
the Liberals.
And it starts with a claim
that Steven Del Duca wants to,
quote, "take us back to
the Kathleen Wynne days."
Remember life
under Kathleen Wynne?
Steven Del Duca
wants to take us back.
He was Wynne's right-hand man
when they sent your hydro bills
skyrocketing, sold Hydro One,
all while Liberal insiders
got rich.
He sat in cabinet
while good-paying jobs
fled the province,
remained idle while creating
only 611
new long-term-care beds,
leaving our most vulnerable
unprepared for the pandemic.
Ontario crumbled
under Kathleen Wynne
and Steven Del Duca.
Let's not go back.
Okay. I don't think this one
is going to be that tough,
but true or false?
(Laughing) Well, um,
Steven Del Duca lost his seat
running for the Liberals
alongside Kathleen Wynne
in the 2018 election,
so I'm going to guess
he probably doesn't want to
go back to that.
I think you're on solid ground
with that one.
The ad then goes on to say that
Del Duca is, quote, unquote,
"Wynne's right-hand man."
True or false?
I mean...
he was a cabinet minister in a--
You know, for much of
her government.
He held the important
transportation file.
But really?
They just weren't that close
in politics.
It feels false to me.
You know, yes, Wynne did put
Del Duca in the cabinet,
but they were always pretty cool
to each other, I thought.
Obviously, the Tories are trying
to tie Del Duca
to the Wynne years,
but the notion that
he was the former premier's
"right-hand man"
is quite hilarious, actually,
because, um--
And incidentally,
the NDP made the same claim
in their attack ads,
which I wrote about
on the TVO website last week,
and the claim was no truer
in those ads, either.
Right-hand man? No.
Bosom buddies? Definitely not.
Next point: the Liberals
only created
"611 net new
long-term-care beds,
leaving our seniors unprepared
for the pandemic."
That's the claim in the Tory ad.
What do you think of that one?
So, I will say that
this number--
The "611 beds" number--
That comes from
a very specific report
that was about
the long-term-care sector
that looked, really,
at the last half of
the Liberal tenure
in government.
But the Liberals did add
substantially more than
611 long-term-care beds
in the first half of
their 15 or so years in power.
So, the number isn't false,
it's just not the whole story.
That said, it's a bit of
a jaw-dropping charge
for the Tories to make
given how seniors fared
during the pandemic.
I mean, there is ample evidence
that despite the premier's
stated desire
to create "an iron ring"
around long-term-care homes,
the government badly botched
protecting those homes
from COVID-19,
and as a result,
the majority of deaths
due to COVID-19 in this province
have happened
in long-term-care homes.
You know, we remember this.
This was not that long ago.
They had to call in
the Canadian Armed Forces
to help sort things out.
And honestly, you know,
we probably only learned
some of the horrors
that people were living through
and dying through
because those Canadian Forces
members then, uh,
leaked some of what they saw
to the press.
So, I just--
It's an appalling thing to say.
Hmm. All right.
Well, those are a couple of
the contrast ads
that the Tories are running
right now.
So, if you see them, yes,
you'll hear the claims
that the government is making.
But now, you will also know
the rest of the story,
which is a little more
than these ads clearly are.
Let's do a little pivot here
and talk about a speech
that the Liberal leader
Steven Del Duca gave on Sunday.
It was chock full of rather
ambitious policy pronouncements,
capped off by a promise
to resign
if he becomes
the premier of Ontario
and doesn't implement
all these promises.
JMM, if you would,
take us through
a few of the commitments
that Del Duca made
in his speech last Sunday.
So, uh, this was interesting.
The Liberal leader promised to
bring in ranked ballots
for Ontario elections.
This is where voters would
be able to, you know, pick
multiple candidates in a riding.
And as a for example, you know,
a voter could say, well,
"I like the Conservative
in my riding,
but if they don't win,
then I'd prefer the Liberal,"
or, you know,
the NDP or the People's Party
or whoever.
He also promised
a citizens' assembly
on other democratic reforms,
including dropping
the voting age to 16.
Uh, promised to bring back
the universal basic income pilot
that was brought in first
by Kathleen Wynne
and then cancelled
by the Ford government
early on in its tenure.
And finally, he said
he would start a pilot project
looking at a four-day work week
here in Ontario.
Now, let's state
the obvious here.
When you're the leader of
the third-place party
in the legislature,
when you only have seven seats,
and when you, the leader,
don't have a seat yourself,
you kind of got to do
what you got to do
to get some attention.
So, to that end, did this work?
You know, it certainly, I think,
got more people talking about
the annual general meeting
of the Liberal Party of Ontario,
the third party
in the legislature, as we say.
It got more people talking than
you might have seen otherwise.
Um, I'm not sure if the old saw
about there being no such thing
as bad publicity still applies
in 2021, but I do want to say
not all of the attention
that Del Duca garnered
for his promises was good.
A lot of people are still
very cynical
about Liberals
promising electoral reform.
And you know, frankly,
not without reason.
Well, in fact,
it's undoubtedly because
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau--
Well, he wasn't prime minister
at the time,
but he did promise to bring in,
well, an end
to first-past-the-post
He said it was going to be
proportional representation
going forward, and then he broke
that commitment quite famously
and upset a lot of people
by doing so.
And in fact, Del Duca mentioned
in his speech,
"I know there are other
Liberal leaders,
"there are other politicians
who've made these promises
"and not followed through
on them,
"which is why I'm promising
to resign
if I don't go through with it."
Now, before Del Duca's speech
to the Liberal Party
this weekend, we actually saw
our first poll
of Ontario party standings
in a long time.
Postmedia commissioned this poll
from the firm Léger.
And it's got the Progressive
Conservatives, the government,
in first place at 35%,
the Liberals behind them
with 30%,
the NDP at 25%
and the Greens
in their traditional
fourth-place position at 5%.
Now, that's among
decided voters,
and as I always like to do,
we want to remind people
that polls don't tell you
anything more than
what voters thought
in the snapshot of a moment
that they answered the question.
In this case,
it was earlier in October.
These polls are not predictive,
as to what is going to happen
next June.
But I guess, JMM,
it's an interesting read
on the current state of play.
Yeah, I think so.
And you know,
people might remember
that earlier this year,
the Tories
were really struggling
in the polls.
And I'm thinking, you know,
March-April, the third wave.
The really disastrous attempt
to try and, like, you know,
lock down playgrounds again.
That stuff.
You know, the government had
a really low ebb in the polls.
Some polls showed
Steven Del Duca
and the Liberals leading.
That would have actually been
the first time in years
that the Liberals were actually
in first place
in Ontario polls again.
That seems to have subsided
for now.
Doug Ford and
the Progressive Conservatives
are back in the lead.
But these numbers
don't really put the Tories
in majority territory,
certainly not comfortably.
And you know, that's a problem,
Or this is a problem
for the Tories because
the leader of the Official
Opposition, Andrea Horwath,
has already said that
if it's a minority
after the 2022 election,
if the Tories do not have
an outright majority of seats,
she will work to defeat them
in whatever role she has,
either as
a second or third party.
So, uh, the Tories?
You know,
it's good to be in first,
and it's better to be in first
than second.
Um, but those numbers
don't give the Tories
a lot of security right now.
Yeah. Let me add two things
to that.
Number one, you're quite right:
it's good to be in first place.
And if you're the Progressive
Conservatives right now
with an election
seven and a half months away,
they are
within spitting distance--
Let's put it that way-- Of
getting a majority government,
and that's certainly
a pretty good place to be.
You wouldn't want to be
20 points away from re-election.
If they are three, four,
five points away
from being re-elected
with a majority right now,
that's not a bad spot to be in.
You're also quite right
inasmuch as Andrea Horwath
has said, "There's no such thing
as a Tory minority.
"If they've got a minority,
I'll do what I can
"to defeat them
and bring in another party
to form the government."
What we have yet to hear
is Steven Del Duca
on this question.
I don't believe that he has
weighed in on the issue
of whether or not,
if push came to shove
and the Tories had a minority,
whether he would defeat them
and then, potentially,
if she's still in second place,
make Andrea Horwath the premier.
I have not heard that scenario
discussed yet,
but we've still got lots of time
to discuss scenarios.
But I haven't heard him
weigh in on that yet,
and I'm thinking next time
I get a chance to talk to him
at a press conference, maybe
I will ask that very question.
(John Michael chuckling)
If you don't beat me to it.
Okay. On to star candidates now.
Last week, we talked about
the fact that the NDP
had introduced a new
so-called star candidate,
Irwin Elman, the former
child advocate for Ontario,
whose job, incidentally,
was eliminated
by the current government.
Now, it is the Liberals
who are responding in kind
with a star candidate
of their own.
So, JMM, tell us all about
Stephanie Bowman
and where she intends
to plant her flag.
Stephanie Bowman is the former
senior vice-president
at Scotiabank.
She was previously on the board
of the Bank of Canada.
She told reporters last week
she doesn't like the direction
the province is going in,
so she has stepped up
to run as a Liberal
in a pretty notable riding:
Kathleen Wynne's riding,
Don Valley West.
Now, there was some controversy
about Bowman's getting
that nomination,
because apparently,
Don Valley West is a riding
that the Liberal Party decided
must have a female candidate.
What's that all about?
So, when Steven Del Duca
was running for leader,
he made clear that half of
his candidates would be female,
and they are actually doing
a little better than half
right now.
He also promised the Liberals
would run 30 candidates
under the age of 30.
They haven't yet hit
that benchmark.
So, yes. Don Valley West
was set aside as a riding
reserved for female candidates
I think there might have also
been a consideration
that you don't necessarily
want to succeed
the first female premier
in the province's history
with a generic white man,
to put it bluntly.
But there are
some other candidates
who were complaining about this,
including some candidates
of colour, men of colour.
But you know, Steven Del Duca
says these benchmarks
were put in place months ago.
He ran unambiguously
for the leadership
on these benchmarks,
and the party thinks that
they're important priorities.
Because again, I believe
you got to walk the walk,
not just talk the talk.
And so, Stephanie is
a phenomenal candidate.
She has lived in Don Valley West
with her family
for more than two decades.
She brings all of the skills,
the talent and the experience
to help Ontario Liberals
demonstrate clearly
that we will form a government
should we win
next year's election.
I guess we are going to find out
whether or not Don Valley West
is a Liberal riding,
which it has been since 2003,
or whether it was really
a Kathleen Wynne riding.
You know, there is a tendency
in politics to assume that
if someone's held a riding
for a long time
it must be because the riding
leans to that MPP's party.
But oftentimes, it's because
the riding likes the member,
and it has a lot less to do with
their party.
We can remember that in 2018,
Wynne only carried
her own riding
by 4/10ths of
a percentage point, I believe.
It was 181 votes
out of about 35,000 cast.
So, you know, the people who
knew her best did re-elect her,
but it was a really close thing.
It'll be interesting to see
whether the Liberals
can hold this riding
in next June's election.
We can also remember that, yes,
the NDP's star candidate,
Irwin Elman,
is running in the same riding.
So, this contest is going to get
a lot of attention
next June 2nd.
And we should say as well
we did bring you some sound
from Irwin Elman's
kickoff news conference
last week.
And as a result, just to
keep things even and fair,
we had hoped to bring you
some sound
from Stephanie Bowman's
news conference,
but what do we say here?
The audio on her Zoom call
was truly atrocious.
It was unusable. So, I'm afraid
we don't have that.
You know, I'm just going to say
that I actually don't think
this was Ms. Bowman's fault.
I have so many difficulties
with internet service,
and I live and work
in downtown Toronto.
So, we can blame one of
Canada's two internet companies.
But we're not going to say
which ones they are,
because we don't want to
get sued.
No, no. We don't want to get TVO
in that much trouble.
Hopefully the listeners
have heard us A-OK,
and so we'll conclude
this podcast as we always do
with our favourite quotes
of the week,
and we'll have those for you
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Here, now, is my quote
of the week.
And I want to go back to
last Friday's news conference,
in which questions were asked
about whether it makes sense
to put 19,000 screaming fans
in the Scotiabank Arena
for a Leaf game,
but restaurants, gyms and bars?
They still have to operate
at half capacity.
Here is Ontario's
Medical Officer of Health,
Kieran Moore, on that.
We're preparing
a consolidated plan
for this government to review
next week,
and I would ask that our
business partners stay tuned.
We'll provide dates
and timelines and data
by which we anticipate further
opening of the economy
in a staged, phased
and cautious approach
that'll best protect Ontarians
and our businesses
and allow us to step forward
and not step backwards.
Ontario's Medical Officer
of Health,
sure sounding like some changes
for restaurants, bars and gyms
may be coming soon.
And my quote of the week
comes from Liberal leader
Steven Del Duca,
speaking to his party's
annual general meeting
on Sunday.
I'm going to acknowledge that
my opponents have good ideas.
Mike Schreiner has recently
released a housing plan
that includes concepts that
should be considered.
Andrea Horwath has consistently
spoken about
the need for big change
in long-term care.
And Doug Ford, even Doug Ford,
an individual who I've said
does not have the capacity
to adequately lead our province,
even he has increased
the amount we invest
as a province
in high-speed broadband.
Saying these words
does not diminish me.
It strengthens all of us.
That's Liberal leader
Steven Del Duca
doing something politicians,
I think,
sometimes struggle with:
finding nice things to say
about their opponents.
And every time something like
that happens, John Michael,
I get e-mails from people
"I wish we could hear
more of that."
They do like it when politicians
can come together
on the big things.
So, stay tuned.
That is the
for this week,
produced by Katie O'Connor,
edited by Matthew O'Mara.
Production support
from Nikki Ashworth
and Jonathan Halliwell.
JMM, as my dad likes to say,
"Stay positive. Test negative."
Stay safe, Steve.

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