Transcript: Ep. 8 - The Netherlands | Oct 02, 2017

A fast clip shows images of an ant colony.

A caption reads "Ben Reade. Head of Culinary Research."

Ben is in his early thirties, clean-shaven and with short wavy red hair. He wears a white shirt and a black cap hat.

Ben says OUR GOAL IS TRYING
TO MAKE MORE TASTY FOOD
AVAILABLE TO MORE PEOPLE.

The caption changes to "Josh Evans. Lead Researcher."

Josh is in his late twenties, clean-shaven and with short wavy brown hair. He wears a blue and red checker shirt.

Clips show Ben and Josh looking for bugs around the world.

Ben says TO TRY AND LEARN
FROM THESE CULTURES.
THERE ARE MANY CULTURES
AROUND THE WORLD
WHERE INSECTS
ARE NOT JUST EATEN,
BUT WHERE
THEY ARE A DELICACY.

Ben tastes a dish made of bugs and says I MEAN, AS A FOOD
IT KICKS ASS, BASICALLY.

A local person opens up a piece of fruit that is full of tiny insects on the inside.

A man says OH, IT'S ALIVE.

The caption changes to "Andreas Johnsen. Filmaker."

Andreas is in his early forties, with slightly wavy light brown hair. He wears a white sweatshirt and a brown fishing hat.

He eats a bug and says WOW.

Ben says WHAT WE REALIZED IS
THAT THE TECHNIQUES
ARE WAY MORE DIVERSE THAN
WE'D POSSIBLY EVER IMAGINED.
HOW TO COOK INSECTS?
IT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING
HOW TO COOK MAMMALS,
HOW TO COOK BIRDS?
SO WE TREAT THEM
DIFFERENTLY.

Wearing aprons, Ben and Josh speak to a crowd.

Ben says HI, I'M BEN.

Josh says I'M JOSH.

Ben says NORDIC FOOD LAB
IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT,
OPEN-SOURCE FOUNDATION.

A picture shows the façade of the building with the caption "Copenhagen. Nordic Food Lab."

Ben says AND WE AIM TO
EXPLORE DELICIOUSNESS.
AND IT'S FROM THIS ANGLE
WE CAME TO THE INSECTS THING.

He tastes an insect and says OKAY.

A male’s voice says EVERYONE WILL BE BETTER OFF
IF WE EAT A FAIR AMOUNT
OF INSECTS IN OUR LIVES.

A black slate appears with the title "Bugs. Australia."

[BUZZING]

(music plays)


(music plays)

An animated map shows the location of Ermelo, near Amsterdam.

(music plays)

Ben says HI, I'M BEN.

Marieke says MARIEKE.

Ben says MARIEKE, GREAT TO MEET YOU.

Josh says I'M JOSH. NICE TO MEET YOU.

Marieke says HI. MARIEKE.

Marieke is in her thirties, with slightly wavy blond hair in a bob cut and she wears jeans, a blue shirt and a blue jacket.

(music plays)

Marieke takes Josh and Ben to her insect farm.

A caption reads "Giant mealworms. Monica larvae. Collection of farmed insects."

The caption changes to "Kreca Insect Farm."

The caption changes to "Marieke Calis. Kreca Insect Farm."

Ben says WE WERE JUST SAYING ON THE TRAIN
THAT WE HAVE NO PLANS OF
COOKING ANYTHING SPECIFIC.
WE ARE JUST GONNA
SEE WHAT YOU HAVE
AND THEN WE'LL
SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

Marieke shows them the facilities.

Clips show how worms go through containers, convoy belts and trays.

Ben says OH, THAT'S A LOT OF WORMS.
THAT'S A LOT OF WORMS.

(music plays)

Ben says TELL US ABOUT THE LIFE CYCLE.

Marieke shows them a beige worm with black stripes and says WE STARTED WITH THE EGG.
AND THE EGG IS VERY SMALL,
TWO MILLIMETERS BIG.
IT GROWS UP IN 12 WEEKS
TO AN ADULT STAGE.
THIS IS NOW TEN WEEKS OLD.

Ben says FROM HATCHING?

Marieke says YES, FROM GROWING
OUT OF THE EGG.
IF HE IS BIG ENOUGH,
HE CAN BE A PUPA.
AND IF HE CHANGES TO A PUPA,
THEN HE BECOMES A BEETLE.
AND THEN THE BEETLE
LAY THE EGGS.

The director says WHAT ARE THESE CALLED?

Marieke says THESE ARE MORIO WORMS.

Ben says MORIO, ZOPHOBAS MORIO.

Marieke says YES.

Ben says OR IT'S ALSO KNOWN AS
A GIANT MEALWORM.

Marieke says YEAH.
AND IF YOU HAVE IT ON YOUR
HANDS, IT GIVES YOU-
WHEN HE PUTS OUT
HIS ACID,
YOU GET LITTLE PURPLE
DOTS ON YOUR HANDS
AND IT WILL COLOUR
YOU FOR A FEW HOURS.

Ben says OKAY.
AND NOW, CAN YOU FEED THESE
THINGS GROWTH HORMONES?
LIKE YOU CAN DO TO
THE TENEBRIO MOLITOR?

Marieke says OF COURSE YOU CAN DO IT.

Ben says YOU CAN DO IT?
DO PEOPLE DO IT?

Marieke says I THINK THERE WILL BE
PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING IT,
BUT OUR FARM
IS FREE OF HORMONES.

Ben says FREE OF HORMONES.

Marieke says THIS IS NOW AROUND
SIX WEEKS OLD.
THIS PART YOU SEE IS THE
WASTE - THEY WILL EAT IT.
AND HERE,
THEY HAVE THE FEED.

Ben says SO YOU PUT THEM IN,
IN COMPOST HERE?
AND THEN LET THEM SLOWLY
KIND OF GO UP
AND EAT ALL THIS STUFF?

Marieke says YEAH.
THE COMPOST IS
FOR THE FLUID.

Ben says IT'S FOR THE...?

Marieke says THIS IS FOR TO GET FLUID.

Ben says OKAY.
SO THAT'S VERY GOOD
FOR WATER RETENTION?
SO THERE IS A LOT OF DIVERSITY
IN SIZE THERE, ISN'T IT?

Marieke says YEAH.

(music plays)

Ben says HERE'S A GOOD ONE.
THESE WHITE ONES.
THESE WHITE ONES HAVE
JUST LOST THEIR SKIN.
SO THE CHITIN, THE HARD SHELL,
SHOULD BE MUCH SOFTER,
WHICH MEANS THAT
WE MIGHT HAVE
A MORE DELICATE...
DELICATE SNACK.

Marieke says THEY ARE ALSO CHANGING SKIN
AT THE MOMENT.

Ben says YEAH.

Marieke says NOW, DO YOU WANT SOME
TO COOK IT, OR...?

Ben says YEAH.

Josh says IT'S REALLY INTERESTING HOW,
LIKE, WHEN THEY COME HERE,
THEY ARE SO WILD STILL,
AND THEN THESE ONES ARE,
LIKE, MORE SEDATED.
THEY'VE KIND OF HAD
A CHANCE TO, LIKE...

Ben says YEAH, YEAH,
SETTLE IN A BIT.

(music plays)

Ben says AH, THERE WE GO.
THERE IS A GOOD
HARVEST ON THIS ONE.

Ben looks at another tray and says OH, LOOK AT THEM.
THAT'S THEM IN THEIR LITTLE-
THAT'S THE PACHNODA BUTANE.

Marieke says AND THE FUNNIEST THING,
I THINK, OF THOSE WORMS IS
THAT IT'S WALKING ON ITS BACK.

Josh says HUH? THAT IS SO FUNNY!

Ben says HE IS PRETTY SPEEDY, AS WELL,
ISN'T HE?

Marieke says YES, HE IS SPEEDY, AS WELL.
ALL THE LIFE STAGES.

Josh says HOW LONG IS THEIR LIFE CYCLE?

Marieke says AROUND, UH...
FROM EGG TO PUPA,
AROUND SIX WEEKS.

Marieke says THIS IS THE EGG.
IT'S VERY SMALL.

She points at a tiny worm and says THIS IS AROUND
TWO WEEKS OLD.
THEN YOU GET
A MEDIUM SIZE.
THE FULL GROWN WORM
THAT CAN BE
A BEETLE.
THIS IS A WHOLE COCOON.
IT WILL CHANGE FROM
WHITE TO ORANGE.
AND YOU CAN SEE
THE WINGS, THE LEGS.

Ben says I BET THAT'S GOOD TO EAT.

[CHIRPING]
[CHIRPING]

Ben says ONLY THE MALES,
MAKING THIS NOISE?

Marieke says IT'S TERRIBLE.

Ben says CAN YOU MAKE THEM
SHUT UP SOMEHOW?

Marieke says NO.

The caption changes to "Margot Calis. Kreca Insect Farm."

Margot is in her fifites, with short gray hair and she wears a pale pink polo shirt.

Marieke says At WE THINK THAT
THE PROTEIN OF INSECTS
WILL BE USED IN
A LOT OF PRODUCTS
IN THE FUTURE FOR
HUMAN CONSUMPTION.

Ben says HOW MUCH ARE YOU SHIFTING?

Marieke says SEVERAL TONNES A WEEK.

Josh says A FEW TONNES A WEEK
SOUNDS LIKE A LOT.

Ben says IT'S A LOT OF BUGS,
BECAUSE BUGS DON'T WEIGH
VERY MUCH, EITHER.
WHO'S GOING TO EAT THESE?

Marieke says I SEE THE GROWING WE HAVE NOW,
AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE
A LOT OF PEOPLE
WHO WANT TO EAT IT,
BUT ARE SCARED TO PREPARE IT.

Ben says HAVE YOU TASTED
ALL OF THESE THINGS, OR...?

Margot says NOT ALL, NO.

(music plays)

At the farm, Marieke shows Ben weird looking insects.

Ben says WHOA!
THEY'RE MENTAL-LOOKING!

Marieke says THIS IS A TYPICAL SMELL -
IT'S NOT THAT NICE.

Ben says AT THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING,
WHEN WE STARTED RESEARCHING
THESE THINGS,
WE JUST TRIED TO
FRY THEM AND EAT THEM
THE FIRST TIME
WE EVER HAD SOME.
WE FOUND THIS
IDEA OF, LIKE,
PUTTING A MAGGOT-THING IN OUR
MOUTHS DISGUSTING.
THEN WE MADE A MOUSSELINE
OUT OF IT,
AND ALTHOUGH
WE HAD COOKED IT
AND WE KNEW EXACTLY
WHAT WAS IN IT,
SOMEHOW JUST CHANGING
THE SHAPE OF IT
COMPLETELY CHANGED THE
EXPERIENCE OF EATING IT.

(music plays)

Josh says ALL SORTS OF OTHER INSECTS.
LIKE THESE SPIDERS,
LIKE, HANGING OUT IN
ALL THESE COBWEBS AND...

Ben says I MEAN, I GUESS THEY JUST,
LIKE, FILL A PLACE WITH
INSECT FOOD, AND INSECTS
WILL COME TO EAT IT.

Josh says TALK ABOUT, LIKE,
DIVERSITY.
DIVERSE ECOLOGY
IN THE INSECT FARM.

Ben says INSECT WELFARE?

Marieke says WE CONTACTED THE WELFARE
AUTHORIZATION
AND WE ASKED, "OKAY, WE'RE
STARTING WITH INSECTS
FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION,"
AND THEY SAID, "THAT'S NICE, BUT
WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH IT?
WE DON'T HAVE ANY
PROBLEMS WITH IT."

Ben watches Marieke fraction and pack insects and says DONE THIS BEFORE, EH?

Ben says NOW, WHERE DO YOU STAND?
I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK HOLES
IN YOU OR ANYTHING ELSE,
BUT I'M TRYING TO WORK OUT
WHERE THIS INSECTS THING
CAN GO FROM HERE
IF IT'S NOT
MASS PRODUCTION,
GLOBAL EXPORTATION.

Marieke says I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE
BREEDERS WHO SAY,
"OKAY, I WANT TO
GO TO KENYA,
AND I WILL
DO IT FOR YOU,
AND BE MY GUEST,
AND IF IT'S GOING TO WORK
AND IF YOU CAN SEND IT AWAY
BY SHIP OR A PLANE, YEAH,
THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM,
BUT I WILL DO IT."

Margot says IT MIGHT HAPPEN, BUT...
YEAH. WE ARE SO BUSY THAT
I'M NOT BUSY WITH
THAT KIND OF THOUGHT.

Ben says I SUPPOSE I SEE IT AS...
PROBLEMATIC,
JUST WITH SOMETHING
THAT'S EMERGING
SO FAST.
YOU COULD VERY EASILY
DESIGN A SYSTEM
WHICH WAS COMPLETELY
UNSUSTAINABLE
WITH A VERY
SUSTAINABLE INSECT.

Margot says ARE PEOPLE NOT MORE CONSCIOUS
THAT WE CAN'T GO ON NOW?

Ben says PEOPLE IN POWER
OF THESE COMPANIES ARE
OFTEN MORE CONSCIOUS
OF THEIR ABILITY TO
MAKE HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY
AND MANIPULATE
THE SITUATION.

Margot says WHAT ARE YOU GOING
TO COOK WITH?

Ben says I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO COOK
WITH SOME OF THE BUTANA.

Margot says DO YOU LIKE TO COOK WITH IT?

Ben says I'VE NEVER
COOKED WITH IT.
AND I'D LIKE TO COOK
WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS.

He looks at several packages with different insects.

Margot says OH, IT'S OKAY. YOU'RE WELCOME.

The animated map now shows the location of Wageningen.

Ben says "EXPRESSIVE RESEARCH."

In a kitchen, Josh says THESE ONES, I THINK,
SHOULD BE EXCITING.
WE HAVE SOME LIVE ONES
IN HERE.

Ben says THAT'S WHAT I CAN HEAR?

Josh says YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THAT.

Ben says THESE BAD BOYS.
THESE WOULD BE EXCELLENT
FOR AIRPLANE FOOD.

He puts a couple of worms on the steel counter and says LOOK AT HIM GO.
COME ON, MOVE.
LET'S GET A LIVELY ONE.
MAYBE THIS IS TOO
COLD FOR THEM.

A man says OH, MY FRIEND! I HAVE A PROBLEM!
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO
USE LIVESTOCK OVER HERE.

Ben says WE ARE NOT ALLOWED
TO USE LIVESTOCK?
EHM...

The man says KILL THEM.

Ben says I'M GONNA KILL THEM,
I'M GONNA KILL THEM.

The man says RIGHT AWAY. OTHERWISE,
I HAVE TO THROW IT OUT.

Ben says OFF FOR A SPOT OF MURDER, JOSH.
WE'LL SEE YOU SHORTLY.

Josh says YEAH.

Outside, Ben says RIGHT.
DO YOU KNOW HOW TO
DEAL WITH THESE GUYS?

A woman says NO, YOU TELL ME.
OH! BITING YOU!

Ben says TRYING TO.
WHEN WE WERE IN KENYA,
WE FOUND THIS LADY
EATING ONES THAT LOOK
VERY LIKE THIS,
SO WE LEARNED HOW TO
PREPARE THEM.
THE WAY WE DO IT...

He tries to open a worm with a knife and says OH, THEY ARE HARDER
THAN THE...

The woman says THE OTHER ONES?

Ben says YEAH.

Ben says LET'S GET ALL THIS OUT.

Ben takes the entrails out.

Ben says AND THESE MAY BE DISGUSTING.
WE NEVER KNOW,
YOU KNOW?

Ben fries them in a pan.

Back in the kitchen, Ben says OH, GOD, THEY'RE STILL WRITHING!
THEY ARE STILL GOING, LOOK, AS
SOON AS IT STARTS HEATING UP.
I FEEL IT'S A BIT LIKE
A MEMBER OF GREENPEACE
COOKING A WHALE.
IT SMELLS A BIT...
A BIT MUDDY.
THE ONES THAT WE HAD IN
KENYA WERE MUCH MORE GRASSY.

Ben says HELLO!

Another woman says HI.
HOW ARE YOU?

Ben says FINE.
STEWING AWAY HERE.

The woman says OKAY. IT LOOKS NICE.
I DON'T KNOW
WHAT I SMELL.
AND DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE
SOMETHING FROM VITAMINS, OR...
IS IT STILL IN...
IN THE LARVAE?

Ben says I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING
ABOUT NUTRITIONAL CONTENT,
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT
NUTRITIONAL CONTENT
IS OFTEN REFLECTED
IN FLAVOUR,
AND WHEN WE
TASTED THESE,
WHEN THEY WERE
LIVING IN COW DUNG,
THEN THEY TASTED
PRETTY GOOD.

The woman says OKAY.

Ben says GOOD AND GRASSY.

The woman says HEIDI, THIS IS BEN.

Heidi is in her forties, with long blond hair with bangs in a ponytail. She wears a black dress.

Heidi says HI.

Ben says HI, I'M QUITE WET.
NICE TO MEET YOU.

Ben says PLEASURE TO MEET YOU.

The woman says SHE IS THE LADY WHO IS
WORKING OUT OUR PLANS.
FOR THE FUTURE.

Ben says VERY INTERESTING.
SO WHAT'S YOUR BACKGROUND?

The caption changes to "Heidi De Bruin. Financial Consultant."

Heidi says I'M FROM RAW MATERIALS
COMMODITY TRADING.

Ben says WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

Heidi says THAT MEANS YOU CAN
MAKE A LOT OF MONEY
WHEN YOU ARE TRADING
COMMODITIES, PURCHASING SALES -
WHICH IS AGRICULTURAL,
BUT ALSO METALS.

Ben says RIGHT.

Heidi says SO I USED TO
WORK FOR
BIG MULTINATIONALS,
AND THEN THIS
CAME ACROSS, SO...

Ben says ARE THE BIG MULTINATIONALS
GONNA START
PRODUCING INSECTS?

Heidi says NO. NOT PRODUCING.
BUT I THINK THEY WILL
TAKE THE DERIVATIVES
TO PUT IT IN THE,
LIKE, FEED ADDITIVES.

Ben says RIGHT.

Heidi says PRE-MIXES.
OR EVEN USE IT FOR
VITAMINS, MINERALS.

Ben says SURE.

Heidi says AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A CLAUSE
FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION,
BUT THAT'S...
THE VERY FAR FUTURE.

Ben says SO, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN, JOSH,
WITH YOUR BLITZED-UP
GRASSHOPPERS?

Josh says I WANNA ADD A LITTLE
BIT OF IT TO THE DRINKS
TO MAKE IT SALTY.

Ben says SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GETTING
PRETTY EXPERIMENTAL.

Josh says IT IS.

Josh makes a preparation and says CUCUMBER JUICE, BASIL, LIME,
A BIT OF GINGER,
BLACK TEA,
AND CHIA SEEDS - WHICH IS
WHAT MAKES IT THICK.

Ben holds up a plastic cup with a yellow substance inside and says I'VE GOT A VERY
EXCITING PRODUCT HERE.
THIS HAS JUST BEEN RELEASED
IN THE LAST WEEK
ONTO THE
ANIMAL FEED MARKET,
AND IT'S THE
FRACTIONED FATS
FROM SOLDIER FLY
LARVAE,
SO IT'S MAGGOT FAT.

Ben puts some fat on a frying pan.

Ben says SO I THINK THIS
IS A WORLD'S FIRST.

Josh shakes a box of grasshoppers.

[RATTLING]

Ben says I THOUGHT YOU
REMOVED THOSE LEGS, JOSH,
WITH INCREDIBLE STYLE.

Josh says THESE ARE THE THIRD INSTAR
OF THE MIGRATORY LOCUST.

Ben says THIS IS THE STAGE
WE LIKE THEM AT,
BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO
TAKE THE WINGS OFF.

Josh says GET THEM IN THERE, MAN.
OUTRAGEOUS.

Ben plates the sauté and other dishes and says SO WE'VE GOT A DOUBLE-BUG
FIASCO GOING ON HERE.
SO WE DO HAVE TO WARN
EVERYONE BEFORE THEY EAT THIS
THAT IT IS ACTUALLY NOT
LEGALLY RECOGNIZED AS FOOD.
[DIGITAL DOORBELL
RINGING]

Ben says THAT'S PAUL ARRIVING.

Ben says PAUL IS A PSYCHOLOGIST.
HE IS KNOWN AS THE
GODFATHER OF DISGUST.

Paul says HELLO.

Ben says HELLO, PAUL.

Paul says HOW ARE YA?

Ben says I'M VERY WELL, SIR.
HOW ARE YOU?

Paul says GOOD.

The caption changes to "Paul Rozin. Psychologist."

Paul is in his seventies, with short wavy gray hair and a beard. He wears glasses, black trousers, a black T-shirt, a black blazer and a black hat.

Ben says WE'RE IN A TEST KITCHEN
WHICH IS MADE FOR
DESIGNING AIRPLANE MEALS.
HENCE THE HAT.

Paul says AND SO YOU ARE
GOING TO
SERVE US
AN AIRPLANE MEAL?

Ben says EXACTLY.

Paul says THE AIRPLANE MEAL OF THE
TWENTY-SECOND CENTURY.

Ben says YES. PERHAPS.

Ben shows Paul into the kitchen.

Ben says WE'VE GOT JOSH, HERE,
WHO'S LOOKING VERY DAPPER
IN HIS AIR HOSTESS
COSTUME.

Josh says HELLO.

Paul says HELLO.

Josh says HOW ARE YOU?

Paul says OKAY.

Josh says 'CAUSE WE ARE IN A, YOU KNOW,
AIRLINE COOKING FACILITY...

Paul says AND YOU FELT YOU HAD TO-
THE NEED TO PUT THAT ON?

Josh says WELL, IT'S PART OF
THE WHOLE
EXPERIENTIAL
COOKING PROCESS.

Paul says WELL, ISN'T THAT WONDERFUL!

Ben says CAN I INTRODUCE YOU ALL
TO EACH OTHER?
THIS IS HANK, EMILY,
AND PAUL.

Paul says HANK?

Hank says HANK.

Hank is in his forties, clean-shaven and with short wavy light brown hair. He wears an off white shirt.

Emily is in her thirties, with shoulder-length straight hazel brown hair with bangs. She wears a black and white striped T-shirt and a beige blazer.

Ben says PAUL IS A PSYCHOLOGIST
AND HAS WRITTEN,
AT LEAST IN THE PAST,
A LOT ABOUT DISGUST.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S
AN ONGOING PROJECT.

Paul says YES. I'M ACTUALLY THE WORLD'S
LEADING AUTHORITY ON DISGUST.
I MEAN,
WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH.
WHEN I STARTED THERE WAS
NOBODY IN IT,
BUT IT IS NOW HOT STUFF
TO STUDY DISGUST.

Ben says IF YOU WANNA TASTE THEM RAW,
THESE CRICKETS,
THEY TASTE QUITE FISHY,
SEA-WEEDY KIND OF FLAVOUR.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT THEY
MIGHT BE QUITE NICE
WITH PRAWNS, ACTUALLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF
THIS IS REALLY
THE BEST WAY
TO STICK THEM ON.

Hank says WELL, YOU COULD USE GLUE.

Ben says I COULD USE GLUE,
FLOUR AND WATER.

Paul says YOU KNOW,
THEY HAVE MEAT GLUE.

Ben says YEAH BUT MEAT GLUE,
TRANSGLUTAMINASE,
IS DISGUSTING STUFF.

Paul says YEAH, YOU COULD USE
TRANSGLUTAMINASE.

Ben says DISGUSTING STUFF.

Paul says IT COULD STICK THEM TOGETHER,
'CAUSE THEY'RE BOTH
HIGH PROTEIN,
SO YOU COULD DO THAT.

Ben says DO YOU KNOW WHY
TRANSGLUTAMINASE WAS INVENTED?

Paul says NO, I DON'T.

Ben says IT WAS INVENTED DURING THE
SECOND WORLD WAR IN ORDER TO
STICK A WOUND TOGETHER.
RIGHT. CAN I GET
IN HERE, PLEASE?

He puts a preparation in boiling oil and says LOOKS LIKE ALL THE CRICKETS
ARE JUST COMING OFF.
BUT WE GOT TEMPURA
CRICKETS, MAYBE.

Paul says THAT'S OKAY.

At the table, Ben says NONE OF THE FOOD THAT
YOU ARE TASTING TONIGHT
HAS EVER BEEN MADE
EVER BEFORE.
AT LEAST TO OUR
KNOWLEDGE.
SOME OF IT IS THE
FIRST TIME THAT HUMANS
HAVE EVER EATEN IT.
HERE WE'VE GOT SOME PRAWNS,
WHICH HAVE BEEN TEMPURAED
WITH SOME FARMED
HOUSE CRICKETS.
THIS IS A FERMENTED SAUCE OF
GRASSHOPPERS AND MEALWORMS.
ALL OF THE INSECTS
TONIGHT ARE REARED.
AND MOST OF THEM
COME FROM KRECA.
YES.

Emily says I WOULDN'T GUESS IT WERE
CRICKET, IF I HADN'T
SEEN THEM FRIED UP.

Ben says SEE, I THINK WE WOULD
RATHER SEE INSECTS
BE CELEBRATED
FOR THE FLAVOUR,
BE CELEBRATED FOR
THE POTENTIAL,
RATHER THAN BE, LIKE,
NONDESCRIPT FLOURS.

Paul says I AM IN YOUR OTHER CAMP
UNINTENTIONALLY,
'CAUSE I HAVE BEEN WORKING
FROM THE OTHER END.
I WILL TALK ABOUT
THESE TWO APPROACHES.
THEY ARE COMPLEMENTARY,
OF COURSE.

Ben says YEAH.
SO WE HAVE A SELECTION OF
AIRPLANE MEALS FOR Y'ALL.

Paul says AHH.

Ben says WE'VE GOT CHICKEN HERE
WITH GARLIC-SAFFRON SAUCE.
IT'S BEEN CRUMBED
IN BUFFALO WORMS.
THIS TABBOULEH
IS WITH LOCUSTS.

Josh says THIS DRINK IS BASED ON
CHIA SEEDS.
IT HAS CUCUMBER AND BASIL
AND A SALT MADE FROM
TWO DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTAL
STAGES OF LOCUSTS.

Ben says AND THEN HERE, DUNG GRUB STEW.
LIKE, DUNG BEETLE GRUBS.

Paul says OH MY GOD, SO IT'S
A DOUBLE BAD, IT'S A
DOUBLE DISGUST, RIGHT?

Ben says DOUBLE DISGUST.
SO NOW YOUR NOODLES,
FRIED IN BLACK SOLDIER FLY
LARVAE FAT.

Paul says OH!
WOW.

Ben says I BELIEVE YOU ARE THE FIRST
HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET
TO HAVE EVER BEEN SERVED
ANYTHING COOKED WITH THIS.

A man says PLEASE EAT.

Paul says WHAT IS IN HERE, AGAIN?

Ben says THESE ARE ROSE BEETLE LARVAE.
SO YOU MAKE A HOLE
IN THEIR TAIL END
AND THEN SQUIDGE
OUT ALL THE BLACK STUFF.

Paul says EACH LARVA?

Ben says OF EACH LARVA. PAINSTAKINGLY.

Paul says THESE ARE GOOD.
I LIKE THIS TEXTURE.
THEY'RE CHEWY, BUT THEY HAVE
A LITTLE... THEIR CHITIN...
MMM! I LIKE THESE.
NOW, IF PEPSI-COLA OR
SOMEONE LIKE THAT
GETS IN THIS BUSINESS,
THEY'LL FIND A WAY TO
DE-DIRT THEM AUTOMATICALLY.

Ben says YEAH.

Paul says NOW... SO THERE WAS-

Ben says AND WOULD THAT BE
YOUR HOPE?

Paul says WELL, MY HOPE HERE
IS THAT...
I'M ACTUALLY TALKING WITH
SOME PEOPLE AT PEPSI-COLA
IN A COUPLE
OF MONTHS.

Ben says REALLY?

Paul says YEAH, 'CAUSE THEY MAKE
FRITOS.
IF YOU COULD REPLACE
CORN FLOUR IN FRITOS
TEN PERCENT INSECT FLOUR,
NOBODY WOULD EVEN NOTICE.

Ben says WHAT'S EVERYONE'S VISION?
YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE OF
THIS INSECTS THING,
REGARDLESS OF WHAT
YOU WANT TO BE THE FUTURE.

The caption changes to "Emily Anthes. Science writer."

Emily says I'M NOT SURE I SEE MOST,
SAY, AMERICANS
PULLING INSECTS
OUT OF THE CUPBOARD
AND MAKING THEM
FOR DINNER,
BUT CERTAINLY
IN RESTAURANTS
AND MAYBE MORE ADVENTUROUS
EATERS.
IT'S HARD TO SEE IT
BEING SUPER MAINSTREAM.

Ben says IN THE STATES, I SUPPOSE
ONE OF THE INTERESTING
EXAMPLES TO CITE
IS SUSHI.

Emily and Paul say YEAH.

Paul says I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT
IN MY TALK, ACTUALLY.

Ben says ARE YOU? YOU'RE COVERING
IT ALL, PAUL.

Paul says WELL, I JUST WANNA
TALK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE
IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF
WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
AND SUSHI IS ALL
OVER THE PLACE NOW.

A man in his thirties says I THINK IT REALLY DEPENDS ON
HOW PEOPLE CAN SELL THE IDEA
AND IF THEY, YOU KNOW,
CAN CREATE MORE MOMENTUM
AND REALLY SELL THAT
THEY HAVE A GOOD PRODUCT.
AND HOW GOOD IS THEIR MARKETING
COMPARED TO THE DEMAND?
BECAUSE OF COURSE, LIKE,
NOW WE HAVE THE FEELING
THERE IS A BIG DEMAND,
BUT IN THE END, HOW READY
ARE PEOPLE TO GO FOR IT?

Ben says WHO WOULD IT BENEFIT?

Paul says PEOPLE WHO ARE
LOW IN PROTEIN.

Ben says I REMEMBER LISTENING TO
THE HEAD OF THE NUTRITION
DIVISION OF FAO SAYING THAT
ALMOST NO ONE IN THE WORLD
WAS LOW ON PROTEIN.
AND THERE IS VERY, VERY FEW
COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD
WHERE ACTUALLY
THE FAO RECOMMENDED THAT
PROTEIN CONSUMPTION
WAS INCREASED.

Paul says EVERYONE WILL BE BETTER OFF
IF WE EAT A FAIR AMOUNT
OF INSECTS IN OUR LIVES.
I MEAN, EXCEPT THE
INSECTS, MAYBE.
BUT EVEN THEM, BECAUSE
THERE WILL BE MORE OF THEM.
EVERYONE HAS TO BE READY
TO TAKE ADVANTAGE
OF THE OPPORTUNITIES
THAT COME UP,
IT SEEMS TO ME.
AND YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY
WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING,
AS FAR AS
I'M CONCERNED.
WHETHER YOU BECOME
THE, UM-
AT THE FOREFRONT OF THIS
VENTURE, HOW DO I KNOW?
BUT YOU ARE
POISED TO HELP.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "Insects to Feed the World. International Entomophagy Conference."

A speaker says SUSTAINABLE AND
ENVIRONMENTAL-FRIENDLY OPTION
TO PRODUCE ANIMAL PROTEIN
FOR A GROWING POPULATION...

Another speaker says WE FACE GREAT GLOBAL
CHALLENGES
FROM FOOD SECURITY...

Another speaker says I HOPE THAT THE
EXCHANGE OF KNOWLEDGE
IN INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION
CAN HELP THIS
WHAT I WOULD CALL YOUNG
AND DYNAMIC SECTOR
TO FULFILL
ITS AMBITION...

Josh says THIS IS LIKE A REAL-DEAL
CONFERENCE.
IT FREAKS ME OUT.
I DON'T LIKE IT.
LIKE, ALL THESE, LIKE,
CORPORATE, LIKE, POSTERS
AND...
JUST RED VELOUR
DRAPERIES,
AND, LIKE...
IT'LL BE FUN.

A speaker says I HEAD AN AGENCY WITHIN
THE US DEPARTMENT OF
AGRICULTURE,
AND OUR WHOLE
INTEREST
IS ENSURING
FOOD SECURITY.
THE WORLD IS GETTING HOTTER AND
THE WORLD IS GETTING FLATTER
BECAUSE OF
GLOBALIZATION,
AND OF COURSE, IT'S GETTING
MORE CROWDED AS WELL.

The caption changes to "Sonny Ramaswamy. Agricultural Scientist."

Sonny is in his late fifties, balding and clean-shaven. He wears a gray 3 piece suit, a cream shirt and a red tie.

He says FRUIT, GRAINS, VEGETABLES,
PROTEIN AND DAIRY.
THAT'S THE MEAL THAT
YOU GOT TO HAVE.
IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITY THAT
YOU CAN HAVE
SOME INSECTS IN THERE,
AS THE PROTEIN SOURCE.
IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITY.
[APPLAUSE]

At the lobby, Ben has some snacks.

A woman says WHAT'S IN HERE?

Ben says MMM!

Ben looks at a bug model and says VERY NICE BUG.

The woman says DO YOU KNOW ANY PARTS OF IT?
THESE ARE ACTUALLY THE LUNGS.

Ben says THESE ARE THE LUNGS?

The woman says YES. VERY DIFFERENT
THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
BUT MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT
THEY HAVE A LOT OF MUSCLES
WHERE THE PROTEIN COMES
FROM, WHICH YOU CAN EAT.

At the Protix Biosystems BV Insectmeal stand, Ben says AT THE MOMENT, IT'S MINED
PURELY FOR ANIMALS?

Ares is in his mid-thirties, with short wavy brown hair and wears a white shirt, a blue blazer and a name tag.

Ares says YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

Ben says OKAY.

Ares says AT THE MOMENT.

Ben says BUT DO YOU HAVE A VISION
FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION?

Ares says OF COURSE, OF COURSE.
WHY NOT, WHY NOT?

Ben says YEAH?

Ares says BUT IT'S NOT ALLOWED BY
EUROPEAN LEGISLATION
AT THE MOMENT.

Ben says AND SO, LIKE, A TIN OF CAT FOOD,
YOU MIGHT TRY TO STICK SOME
SOLDIER FLY FAT IN THERE?

Ares says YEAH, YEAH. WHY NOT?

Ben says YEAH, WHY NOT? I MEAN,
YOU KNOW, IF THE CATS LIKE IT.
YOU KNOW?

The caption changes to "Ares Driessen. Project manager."

Ben says IT'S GOOD FOR THE CAT,
IT'S GOOD FOR THE FLY...
NO, IT'S NOT GOOD
FOR THE FLY.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

Ben says HOW DOES IT SMELL?
CAN I SMELL IT?

Ares says YEAH, BUT IT DOESN'T SMELL.

Ben says YEAH, IT SMELLS.
YEAH, IT SMELLS.

Ares says YEAH... I SMELL MONEY.

Ben says SORRY? YOU SMELL MONEY, EH?

Ares says YEAH.

Ben says SMELLS LIKE MONEY.

The caption changes to "Andrew Muller. Researcher."

Andrew is in his early thirties, with short straight blond hair and wears a cream T-shirt with an insect print and an olive green and gray hooded jacket.

He says AND WHAT DO YOU LIKE?
WHICH INSECTS?

Ben says HONEY ANTS, TERMITE QUEENS,
PALM WEEVILS...
BUT FARMED INSECTS?
NOT REALLY INTO IT.

Andrew says OKAY.

An article appears on screen with the title "Entomophagy and Capitalism."

Ben says THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT
OF A RISK OF
PEOPLE USING
THE PUBLICLY PERCEIVED
SUSTAINABILITY ASPECT,
OR LOW CARBON FOOTPRINT,
OR HOWEVER WE'D LIKE TO PUT IT
IN ORDER TO JUST MAKE
MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY
DOING WHATEVER...

Andrew says IN THE WORST CASE, YEAH.

Ben says YEAH, YEAH.

Andrew says I STAYED IN LAOS AND THAILAND
FOR ABOUT TEN MONTHS,
AND MY MAIN AIM
AT THE BEGINNING
WAS JUST TO SEE
HOW IT TASTES,
AND HOW IT'S COLLECTED,
AND PREPARED, AND EVERYTHING.
DURING THIS TIME, I JUST
NOTICED ENTOMOPHAGY
IS NOT ALWAYS
A GOOD THING.
SOME PEOPLE TOLD ME THAT
100 TONNES PER DAY
ARE BEING SOLD
AT THIS MARKET.
AND THE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY
EARNING A LOT OF MONEY.

He points at pictures of insect farmers and says BUT IT'S NOT
THESE PEOPLE.

Ben says NO...

Andrew says NO.

Ben says NO.

Andrew says AND THAT'S WHY IT'S
SORT OF VERY AMBIVALENT,
I THINK,
WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE,
BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND,
THERE'S ATTENTION, AND
PEOPLE ARE THINKING
ABOUT THE WHOLE THING,
BUT I MEAN, OF COURSE,
THERE ARE BIG COMPANIES
PROBABLY PRESENT HERE.
I HEARD THAT NESTLÉ IS...
LIKE, YEAH, IT'S-

Ben says NESTLÉ IS HERE?
I'M SURE THEY'RE
NOT THE ONLY ONES.

Andrew says THEY'RE PROBABLY
NOT THE ONLY ONES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE REALLY
INTERESTED IN THESE PEOPLE.

Ben says I DON'T THINK THEY'RE
INTERESTED IN THESE PEOPLE.
I THINK THEY'RE
SMELLING MONEY

Josh says WE SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT
PRODUCING MORE FOOD,
SO MUCH AS PRODUCING,
MAYBE, MORE FARMERS,
MORE FOOD PRODUCERS.

Emily says RIGHT.

Josh says LIKE, THE WORLD ALREADY
HAS ENOUGH FOOD.
THE WORLD FOOD PROGRAM
HAS DATA ON THAT.
AND WE HAVE WAY MORE
FOOD WASTE THAN THAT.
SO DISTRIBUTION IS A WAY
MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION.

Ben says PEOPLE, YOU KNOW,
HAVE BEEN SURVIVING
IN A SUSTAINABLE WAY
ALL OVER THE PLANET
SINCE FOREVER, AND
PEOPLE HAVE THE CAPACITY
TO FEED THEMSELVES.
BUT AS SOON AS WE
START TO LOOK AT, LIKE,
MASS PRODUCTION
OF ANYTHING,
THEN WE START TO
MASS-FEED PEOPLE SOMETHING
WHICH THEY WEREN'T
EATING BEFORE.
AND THAT INEVITABLY LEADS TO
SOME KIND OF EROSION
OF THEIR FOOD CULTURE
THAT THEY HAD.
AND ALL YOU NEED IS
ONE GENERATION
WHO'S HAD THAT ERODED,
AND NOBODY HAS ANY IDEA
ABOUT WHAT THEY USED TO EAT.
SO NOBODY NO LONGER HAS ANY
OF THIS KNOWLEDGE OF
HOW TO INTERACT WITH
THEIR ENVIRONMENT
IN A SUSTAINABLE WAY,
IN A WAY WHICH CAN
CONTINUE TO PROVIDE FOR THEM
AND THEIR FAMILIES AND
FOR OTHER SPECIES IN NATURE.
SO ACTUALLY, THIS VERY IDEA OF
KIND OF EXPORTING
MASS AMOUNTS OF FOOD
TO PLACES
IS HUGELY ERODING.

Outside, Ben says THANK GOD THE SUN IS SHINING.

He groans and says WHY DO WE
DO THIS TO OURSELVES?

Ben says THE THING IS THAT
ALL OF THIS DEBATE IS HAPPENING
WITHIN THE PARADIGM
OF THE CURRENT
FOOD SYSTEM,
WHICH IS SORT OF UNIVERSALLY,
AMONGST THOSE WHO STUDY IT,
RECOGNIZED AS SOMETHING THAT
IS DESTROYING THE PLANET.
SO ACTUALLY, THE QUESTIONS OF
WHETHER AND HOW
INSECTS SHOULD BE INVOLVED TO
MAKE IT MORE SUSTAINABLE
IS THE WRONG QUESTION.
AND THE QUESTION SHOULD BE
"HOW CAN WE ACTUALLY
CHANGE THE WHOLE
SYSTEM?"
BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA
GET ANYONE MONEY,
SO THAT'S NOT GONNA
GET ANY PRESS.

At a kitchen, Ben and Josh prepare the catering for an event.

Ben says YEAH, SOMETHING GREEN,
SOMETHING PURPLE.

(music plays)
OH!
[CHUCKLES] LOOK AT IT.

He points at a live insect on the back of another cook.

The cook says WHAT? WHAT IS IT?

Ben says THAT'S A LIVE ONE.

The cook says OH, REALLY?

Before an audience, Ben says HI, I'M BEN.

Josh says I'M JOSH.

Ben says AND WE ARE FROM
NORDIC FOOD LAB.
AND WE AIM TO EXPLORE
DELICIOUSNESS.

Josh says WE ARE EXPLORING INSECTS
IN THAT CONTEXT AS
A NEGLECTED AND UNDERUTILIZED
EDIBLE RESOURCE
THAT'S AROUND US
ALL THE TIME,
AND WE DON'T EVEN
CONSIDER IT EDIBLE.
SO WE ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN
TAKING THIS SET OF ORGANISMS
AND TRYING TO FIND WAYS
TO MAKE IT INTO A FOOD
BY MAKING IT TASTE GOOD.

They serve the attendees the first tarter.

Ben says SO THE FIRST TASTER
IS GONNA COME IN
A SORT OF WEIRD
PIPETTE-SPOON COMBINATION.
THE PIPETTE IS FULL OF
SOMETHING WE STARTED CALLING
"GRASSHOPPER GARUM" -
FISH SAUCE MADE BY
THE ROMANS,
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS
SWITCH OUT THE FISH
AND PUT IN
THE GRASSHOPPERS
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO
REMEMBER THIS IS FOOD.
THIS IS NOT SOME
ABSTRACT COMPOUND
IN AN FAO STATISTIC.
THIS IS SOMETHING WHICH COMES
FROM COMMUNITIES,
WHICH IS EATEN
BY REAL PEOPLE,
WHICH HAVE CULTURES,
AND JOY,
AND CONVIVIALITY,
AND COMMUNITY.
AND ACTUALLY, THAT'S THE
MESSAGE I REALLY WANTED TO
GET THROUGH
TO EVERYONE.
IF THE FOOD YOU FEED TO PEOPLE
TASTES LIKE CARDBOARD,
THEN YOU'VE GOT A REAL,
SERIOUS PROBLEM.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO
IS MAKE SURE THAT
EVERY PERSON
ON THIS PLANET
HAS THE RIGHT
NOT ONLY TO FOOD,
BUT THE RIGHT TO
GOOD-TASTING,
CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE,
AND AVAILABLE FOOD.
SO LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT
THAT GETS INTO THE DEBATE.

[APPLAUSE]

A clip shows Ben eviscerating worms on the street.

Ben says to a woman in her fifties I MEAN, WHEN YOU
TALK ABOUT DIRTINESS...
WE DID A LITERAL
CIRCUMNAVIGATION OF THE PLANET,
AND I GOT FOOD POISONING ONCE -
FROM A BURGER IN SYDNEY.
AND THAT- YOU KNOW, LIKE,
WE'VE BEEN EATING
THE WEIRDEST,
MOST WONDERFUL THINGS,
BUT ACTUALLY THE MOST
WEIRD FOOD,
REALLY, IF YOU THINK
ABOUT IT,
WAS THAT BURGER, BECAUSE
THAT BURGER PROBABLY CONTAINED -
IT WAS A HORRIBLE,
INDUSTRIAL BURGER -
PROBABLY CONTAINED
TRACES OF, LIKE,
500 DIFFERENT COWS.
AND THERE IS NOTHING NATURAL
ABOUT THAT WHATSOEVER.
WHEREAS WHEN YOU ARE
FORAGING FOR INSECTS,
YOU FEEL LIKE SOME KIND OF,
YOU KNOW, "THIS IS, LIKE,
A VERY, VERY HUMAN
THING TO DO, ACTUALLY."
WHEREAS, LIKE,
EATING A BURGER?
THAT'S NOT NATURAL.

Clips from the show play as the end credits roll.

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Producer, Sigrid Dyekjjer, PGA.

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Watch: Ep. 8 - The Netherlands