Transcript: Abused: The Untold Story | Jun 17, 2017

Malcolm and Pauline sit on a couch.

Malcolm is in his sixties, balding and with a goatee. He wears white trousers and a blue shirt.

Pauline is in her sixties, with short straight light brown hair and she wears a navy blue dress.

Malcolm says IT WASN'T SECRET,
IT WAS SHAME.
WASN'T IT?

Pauline says WHAT?

Malcolm says YOU WERE ASHAMED OF
IT.

Kevin is in his forties, bald and clean-shaven. He wears jeans and a white sports sweatshirt with blue stripes.

Kevin says IT WENT THROUGH MY
MIND, SHOULD I TELL MY WIFE.

The interviewer says DO YOU KNOW WHAT
HAPPENED TO KEVIN?

Sharon is in her forties, with straight blond hair in a bob cut. She wears glasses, black trousers and a black and white top with a big flower on the front.

Sharon says NOT COMPLETELY, NO.
YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT
THE MARRIAGE, YOU'VE GOT THE
FRIENDSHIP, YOU'VE GOT THE
CLOSENESS, YOU'VE GOT IT ALL
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S
THIS GREAT BIG 'WHOA' THAT
YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT.

The narrator says FOR DECADES, THERE
WAS A SECRET AT THE HEART OF
BRITISH LIFE.

Sam is in her forties, with short wavy brown hair and wears a soft coral T-shirt and a statement necklace.

Jim is in his fifties, bald and clean-shaven. He wears a blue sweater.

Sam says I DON'T THINK I TOLD
YOU FOR YEARS, DID I?

Jim says YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T.
AND EVEN THEN YOU STILL
HAVEN'T TOLD ME FULLY.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT IN
MY HEAD.

Old family videos roll.

The narrator says IT LAY HIDDEN IN
OUR BIGGEST INSTITUTIONS...
AND WITHIN ORDINARY FAMILIES.

Alan sits in the couch with his wife.

Alan is in her fifties, clean-shaven and with short wavy gray hair. He wears jeans and a checker blue shirt.

Pat is in her fifties, with shoulder length straight blond hair with bangs. She wears glasses, black leggings, a black and white printed top and a short sleeved black jacket.

Alan says SHE TOLD ME NOT TO TELL
ANYBODY.

Shirley is in her fifties, with short straight gray hair and she wears glasses and a black sweater.

Shirley says I WIPED IT, WIPED
IT FROM MY MEMORY ENTIRELY.

The interviewer says FOR HOW LONG?

Shirley says 46 YEARS.

The narrator says BUT WHEN THE TRUTH
ABOUT ONE MAN WAS REVEALED, A
NATION WAS FORCED TO EXAMINE
ITS PAST.
AND THE SECRET WAS OUT.

Old clips roll.

Kevin says IT WAS LIKE RELEASING
THE PRESSURE ON A SLOW COOKER.
IT FELT GOOD BECAUSE NOW
EVERYTHING WAS OUT THERE.

Malcolm says IT WAS A HUGE
RELEASE, A GREAT WEIGHT HAD
BEEN LIFTED FROM HER BECAUSE
SHE COULD TALK ABOUT IT
WITHOUT FEELING WORRIED,
WITHOUT FEELING ASHAMED.

Cathy is in her late forties, with shoulder length wavy gray hair with side swept bangs. She wears black leggings and a burnt orange dress.

Cathy says I'M NOT ASHAMED.
THIS IS MY FACE.
THIS IS WHAT I LOOK LIKE.
I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG.

The narrator says THESE ARE THE
PEOPLE WHO BROKE THEIR
SILENCE AND CHANGED A NATION.

(music plays)

The title of the show appears on screen. It reads "Abused. The untold story."

(music plays)

A caption reads "South Yorkshire."

The caption changes to "July 2015."

Katy sits at a table, reading a book to a little girl on her phone screen.

Katy is in her thirties, with short straight brown hair in a layered cut, She wears glasses and a gray sweatshirt.

Katy says SHE'S GONE, TIA
WHISPERED, HER HEART THUMPING
SO HARD IT ALMOST HURT.
SOMEONE'S TAKEN HER!
BUT SHE WASN'T GOING TO WAIT
AROUND AND FIND OUT.
HERE'S A PICTURE.
CAN YOU SEE THAT?

The girl says YEAH.

Katy says THIS IS STARTING TO
SOUND QUITE SAD, ISN'T IT?

The girl says YEAH, I KNOW WHAT'S
HAPPENED.

Joe is in his thirties, clean-shaven and with short brown hair. He wears denim Bermuda shorts and a blue shirt.

Joe says JUST THINKING ABOUT
WHAT KATY HAS TO DO AND GIVE
EVIDENCE, SOMEONE'S GOING TO
CROSS EXAMINE HER AND TRY AND
PICK FAULT AND EVERYTHING, AND
AS SOMEBODY WHO LOVES KATY AND
WANTS TO PROTECT HER, WATCHING
HER DO THAT AND JUST HAVING TO
STAND BACK AND WATCH IT, IT
REALLY, REALLY HURTS.

Katy says SORRY TO COMPARE IT
TO THIS, BUT IT'S A BIT LIKE
GETTING MARRIED.
THAT NERVOUSNESS, YOU KNOW?

Joe says YOU'RE SHAKING.

Katy says I KNOW!
YEAH, I AM.
OH, GEEZ.

Joe hugs her.

The narrator says TODAY, KATY WILL
FACE THE MAN SHE CLAIMS ABUSED
HER AND HER FRIEND WHEN SHE
WAS 9.
AFTER 24 YEARS OF WAITING,
SHE'S GOING TO COURT FOR HIS
TRIAL.

Katy says IT'S TODAY WHERE I SAY
TO THE COURT WHAT HAPPENED,
THE DAY THAT I THOUGHT WOULD
NEVER HAPPEN.
AND IT WILL BE OVER, IT WILL
BE OVER, AND IN THAT SENSE,
YEAH, IT'LL BE A RELIEF.
BECAUSE THIS HAS HANGING OVER
MY FAMILY FOR TOO LONG.
I WANT IT OUT OF MY LIFE.
I WANT THE VERDICT TO BE
GUILTY SO THAT HE CAN BE ON
THE REGISTER AND SO THAT
CHILDREN CAN BE PROTECTED.

(music plays)

They get in a car along with a woman with curly blond hair.

Katy says ARE WE GOING IN THE BACK?
I ONLY WANT TO TAKE ONE,
BECAUSE THEY'LL MAKE ME
DROWSY.
BUT I THINK I'LL NEED IT TO
GIVE THE EVIDENCE WITHOUT ME
PANICKING AND THROWING UP.
IT'S MY AIM NOT TO THROW UP.

(music plays)

Katy says OH, WE'RE HERE.
I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE HERE.
THERE'S NICKY.

The woman says I'M JUST GOING TO GET
THE STUFF OUT OF THE BOOT, OKAY?

Katy says YOU CAN'T LEAVE THE
CAR THERE.

Joe says IT'LL BE FINE.
IT'LL BE FINE.

The narrator says KATY IS ONE OF AN
EVER GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE
SEEKING JUSTICE FOR ABUSE THEY
SAY HAPPENED WHEN THEY WERE
CHILDREN.
IN THE LAST 4 YEARS, THE
POLICE HAVE SEEN A 60 PERCENT
INCREASE IN REPORTS OF CHILD
ABUSE.
THAT RISE CAN BE TRACED BACK
TO EVENTS THAT BEGAN UNFOLDING
IN 2011.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "9th of November, 2011."

[applause]

A clip shows images of a public funeral.

A journalist says SIR JIMMY
SAVILE'S FUNERAL CORTEGE TODAY
TOOK HIM ON ONE FINAL TRIP
ROUND HIS HOME CITY.

A man says HE SAID HE HAD DONE IT
ALL, SEEN IT ALL, GOT IT ALL,
AND IF I MIGHT ADD, GIVEN IT
ALL.
[applause]

A reporter says ON HIS HEADSTONE
WILL BE THE EPITAPH HE WROTE
FOR HIMSELF, IT READS: "IT WAS
GOOD WHILE IT LASTED."

Dee is in his late forties, with short slightly wavy brown hair. She wears glasses and a pale gray shirt.

Dee says I REMEMBER THE FUNERAL,
JUST NOT WATCHING IT.
WHICH WAS BIZARRE, 'COS YOU
SORT OF THINK I SHOULD BE
RELIEVED THAT HE WAS DEAD.
BUT AT THAT TIME I DIDN'T
REALIZE WHAT HE'D DONE TO ME
THAT HE'D DONE TO OTHER
PEOPLE.

Shirley says ACTUALLY I WAS SORT
OF CROSS THAT, YOU KNOW, I
COULDN'T LIKE GIVE HIM A SLAP
AROUND THE FACE.
IT WAS VERY SAD THAT HE DIED
BEFORE HE WAS FOUND OUT.

Malcolm says IT WAS ALL SAVILE,
HERE, THERE, ALL THE TIME AND
YOU THOUGHT WHEN'S THIS MAN
GOING TO GI' OFF?
AVOID IT, THAT WAS WHAT WE
DID.
AVOID, AVOID, AVOID.

Sam says I COULDN'T WATCH IT.
I JUST SPENT THE WHOLE TIME,
WHY IS... I CAN'T LISTEN TO WHAT
ANYBODY IS SAYING BECAUSE THAT
FACE IS THERE AND THERE AND
THERE AGAIN.

Shirley says I HATE HIM AND I
WISH HE WAS ALIVE SO THAT
HE COULD BE PUNISHED.
I WISH HE HADN'T DIED.

Dee says THE LEGACY OF WHAT HE
DID BOTHERS ME EVERY DAY.

Sam says I NEED TO SHARE NOW.
AND I NEED TO TALK NOW.

Karin is in her late forties, with long slightly wavy gray hair in a ponytail. She wears a white sweater with black details and a pendant necklace.

Karin says BACK THEN, IT NEVER
OCCURRED TO ME TO SAY
ANYTHING.
WHO'S GOING TO BELIEVE ME?
WHO WOULD BELIEVE ME?
[keys clicking]

The narrator says KARIN WARD WAS
ONE OF THOSE WATCHING SAVILE'S
FUNERAL AT HOME.
SHE HAD BEEN WRITING AN ONLINE
ACCOUNT OF YEARS OF PHYSICAL
AND SEXUAL ABUSE.

Karin says I JUST WROTE AN
AUTOBIOGRAPHY FROM THE VERY
EARLIEST THAT I COULD
REMEMBER, JUST WROTE DOWN WHAT
HAD HAPPENED.
I NEVER HAD THE REMOTEST CLUE
THAT ANYONE COULD DOWNLOAD IT.
BUT MEIRION FOUND IT, READ IT,
THAT'S WHAT STARTED THE BALL
ROLLING.

The caption changes to "Meirion Jones. Former BBC Newsnight Producer."

Meirion is in his late forties, with short curly graying hair and clean-shaven. He wears glasses and a blue shirt.

Meirion says WHEN I MOVED TO BBC
TELEVISION IN THE MID-'90s,
THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE WHO
WOULD TELL YOU STORIES ABOUT
SAVILE.
NOW I WOULD TRY AND TRACK IT
DOWN.
I NEVER FOUND A VICTIM OR A
WITNESS, BUT THE STORIES WERE
EVERYWHERE.

The narrator says FOR YEARS
JOURNALISTS HAD INVESTIGATED
RUMOURS THAT SAVILE WAS A
PEDOPHILE.
BUT NO VICTIM HAD EVER GONE
PUBLIC.

Meirion says I COME ACROSS KARIN
WARD'S AUTOBIOGRAPHY ONLINE
ONE OF THESE YOU KNOW DO IT
YOURSELF WRITING SITES.
WHAT SHE REVEALED WAS THE
ABUSE BY "JS."
AND IMMEDIATELY IT'S OBVIOUS
WHO IT IS.

The narrator says KARIN DESCRIBED
"JS" AS A CIGAR SMOKING
CELEBRITY WHO SEXUALLY ABUSED
HER AND HER SCHOOL FRIENDS.

Meirion says THIS IS A FANTASTIC
MEMOIR.
SHE'S ABSOLUTELY CAUGHT
EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON,
NOW HE WAS DEAD, I THOUGHT
WE COULD GET HER TO DO AN
INTERVIEW PERHAPS IF I COULD
PERSUADE HER.
SO I RANG UP KARIN.

The caption changes to "Shropshire."

Karin says AND HE SAID, "THIS JS
THAT YOU MENTION, HE SAID WOULD
I BE RIGHT IN ASSUMING THAT'S
JIMMY SAVILE?"
AND I SAID YES.
YES IT IS.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "Karin Ward. Abused, aged 4 to 17."

Karin says THE SAVILE THING WAS
ONLY A PARAGRAPH OR TWO, WHERE
I WAS DESCRIBING DUNCROFT.

The caption changes to "Duncroft School. Staines, Surrey."

Images of the school campus appear.

Karin says "HOME OFFICE APPROVED SCHOOL
FOR INTELLIGENT BUT
EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED GIRLS."
UNTIL JIMMY SAVILE CAME ALONG
IT WAS THE SAFEST PLACE I'D
EVER BEEN.
WE USED TO LAUGH AND GIGGLE
ABOUT WHOEVER HAD BEEN OUT IN
HIS CAR, YOU KNOW, AND THE
THINGS HE DID AND MADE US DO.
WE'D SAY "HE'S A DIRTY OLD
MAN!"
AND WE'D GO OFF INTO SCREAMS OF
LAUGHTER.
BUT WE'D TELL EACH OTHER WHAT
HAD HAPPENED THAT DAY.
AND THEN OF COURSE MEIRION
RANG ME.
HE WAS PLEASANT BUT VERY
PERSISTENT.

The narrator says MEIRION TOOK A
TEAM FROM THE BBC'S NEWSNIGHT
PROGRAM TO MEET KARIN.
IT WAS JUST FIVE DAYS AFTER
SAVILE WAS BURIED.

Meirion says PART OF THE REASON
SHE DID THE INTERVIEW WAS THAT
SHE WAS GOING INTO HOSPITAL
FOR A VERY SERIOUS OPERATION,
AND SHE THOUGHT SHE MIGHT NOT
SURVIVE IT.
SO THERE WAS AN ELEMENT OF
THAT DEATH BED CONFESSION.

Karin says WHAT HAVE I GOT TO
LOSE?
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF NOBODY
BELIEVES ME, 'COS I'LL BE DEAD.

The narrator says THIS FOOTAGE IS
THE FIRST KNOWN FILMED
INTERVIEW WITH ONE OF SAVILE'S
VICTIMS.

Karin says HE PROMISED ME THAT
IF I GAVE HIM ORAL SEX THAT HE
WOULD ARRANGE FOR ME AND MY
FRIENDS TO GO TO TELEVISION
CENTRE AND BE ON HIS
TELEVISION SHOW.

The caption changes to "Liz MacKean. Former BBC Newsnight Reporter."

Liz is in his forties, with short straight graying hair and she wears a blue blouse.

Liz says GOING INTO THE STORY,
I'D BEEN NOT EXACTLY
SCEPTICAL; I COULD
BELIEVE ANYTHING WAS
TRUE, BUT I DIDN'T
KNOW
THAT IT WAS TRUE.
SO I WAS THERE TO BE CONVINCED
AND PERSUADED.
AND I HADN'T SPOKEN TO HER
BEFORE THE INTERVIEW.
I'D READ HER ACCOUNTS OF WHAT
HAD HAPPENED.
BUT IT WAS MEETING HER AND
TALKING TO HER, THAT... THAT
WAS IT THEN.
I ABSOLUTELY KNEW THEN THAT
SHE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH.

Karin says AS THEY LEFT, AT THE
FRONT DOOR, I SAID TO THEM
'LOOK, IT'S RIFE, IT'S BIGGER
THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE,
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW I KNOW
THAT, I THINK I'D FORGOTTEN
MERCIFULLY AN AWFUL LOT MORE
THAN I REMEMBER.
BUT YOU WON'T BE ALLOWED TO
GO AHEAD WITH THIS'.
"OH, YES WE WILL, DEFINITELY,"
I SAID YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED
TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS.
IT WON'T HAPPEN.

Liz says WHEN WE LEFT KARIN'S
HOUSE, THE FIRST THING WE SAID
WAS WHAT DID YOU THINK?
AND WE ALL THOUGHT, YES, SHE
WAS TELLING US THE TRUTH.
AND IT WASN'T THAT LONG AFTER
THAT WE WERE DRIVING TO THE
RAILWAY STATION, AND WE PUT
THE RADIO ON AND SUDDENLY IT
WAS ANNOUNCED THERE WERE TO BE
TRIBUTE PROGRAMS TO JIMMY
SAVILE FOR THE CHRISTMAS
SCHEDULES.
THE TIMING WAS AMAZING, AND WE
ALL STARTED GIGGLING, LIKE
NERVOUSLY, OH GOODNESS THEY'RE
GOING TO HAVE TO PULL THOSE
TRIBUTE PROGRAMS.

A clip from the show "Jim’ll fix it" rolls.

The announcer says CAN WE FIX IT?
YES WE CAN
OR GET TOGETHER
WITH YOUR OWN HERO
JIM'LL FIX IT

The narrator says WEEKS LATER THE
BBC RAN TWO CHRISTMAS TRIBUTES
TO SAVILE.
KARIN'S INTERVIEW WAS
SHELVED, WHEN THE BOSS OF
NEWSNIGHT TOOK THE EDITORIAL
DECISION TO DROP THE
INVESTIGATION.

Meirion says FOR A LONG TIME
I DIDN'T BELIEVE THEY COULD
POSSIBLY PULL IT.
APART FROM ANYTHING ELSE IT
WAS OBVIOUS THAT IT WOULD COME
OUT ANYHOW, AND THAT WHEN IT
DID COME OUT THE STORY THEN
WOULD NOT BE "JIMMY SAVILE WAS
A PEDOPHILE," IT WOULD BE
"BBC COVERED UP JIMMY SAVILE
BEING A PEDOPHILE."

The narrator says WITH THE NEWSNIGHT
INVESTIGATION DROPPED, A
FORMER DETECTIVE WHO WORKED ON
THE PIECE, MARK
WILLIAMS-THOMAS, TOOK THE
STORY TO ITV, AND BEGAN
WORKING ON HIS OWN
DOCUMENTARY.

The caption changes to "Nine months later. September 30th, 2012."

(music plays)

The caption changes to "Lucy Manning. Former UK Editor, ITV News."

Lucy is in her thirties, with straight brown hair in a bob cut and she wears a silver gray blouse.

Lucy says WE HEARD THAT ITV HAD
THIS DOCUMENTARY THAT WAS
GOING TO MAKE CLAIMS ABOUT
JIMMY SAVILE, AND THEY HAD
SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE WOMEN
WHO WERE MAKING CLAIMS ABOUT
HIM.
STRAIGHT AWAY WE KNEW THAT
THIS WAS GOING TO BE BIG, AND
IN THE SUNDAY PAPERS IT GOT
A LOT OF COVERAGE.
SOMEBODY IN THE NEWSROOM CAME
OVER AND SAID WE'VE HAD AN
EMAIL FROM A WOMAN WHO WANTS
TO SPEAK TO A JOURNALIST ABOUT
JIMMY SAVILE.

The narrator says THAT WOMAN WAS DEE
COLES.
SHE BECAME THE FIRST PERSON TO
APPEAR ON TELEVISION, ACCUSING
SAVILE OF BEING A PEDOPHILE.

An excerpt of Dee’s interview rolls.

Lucy says DEE, CAN YOU TELL
ME WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU WITH
JIMMY SAVILE?

Dee says IT WAS JUST BEFORE I
WAS 15, SO I WAS 14, ON HOLIDAY
WITH MY MUM IN JERSEY.
AND THE HOTEL WE WERE STAYING
IN THEY HAD A CAMPER VAN,
QUITE A LARGE CAMPER VAN.

Present day Dee says I WAS GLAD I'D SPOKEN OUT.
I WAS REALLY NOT GLAD THAT I'D
TAKEN THE BETA BLOCKERS, I
COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT.
BUT I FELT, WHEN I LOOKED AT
IT I FELT I WAS JUST SO
DETACHED FROM IT.
"IT" BEING TALKING, "IT" BEING
THE SEXUAL ASSAULT THAT I WAS
ALL QUITE SORT OF MATTER OF
FACT.
AND IT WASN'T MATTER OF FACT
AT ALL; IT REALLY WASN'T.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS
DETERMINED NOT TO TAKE BETA
BLOCKERS TODAY.
BECAUSE IT IS MESSY, AND I AM
A BIT OF A MESS ABOUT IT.
THAT'S HOW IT IS.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "De Coles. Abused aged 14."

A picture of Dee with her mom appears.

Dee says MY MUM AND I WERE DEAD CLOSE.
WE WOULD DO LOTS OF SILLY
THINGS TOGETHER.
SHE WAS LIKE 40 WHEN SHE HAD
ME.
AND SHE REALLY, REALLY WANTED
THE BEST FOR ME SO SHE SENT ME
TO PRIVATE SCHOOL.
SHE'D GIVEN UP A LOT FOR ME TO
BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
THE PATH WAS SET THEN, THAT I
WAS GOING TO GO ON TO COLLEGE
AND GO TO UNI.
I WAS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE
A TEACHER, DONE REALLY WELL
IN MY EXAMS.
AND SHE SAID YOU AND I ARE
GOING AWAY FOR A WEEK.
WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO?

The caption changes to "Saint Helier, Jersey."

Dee says I SUPPOSE IT'S QUITE
INDICATIVE OF THE FACT THAT IT
WAS THE '70s LIKE JERSEY WAS
ABROAD AND EXCITING, YEAH.
AND I CHOSE THE HOTEL.
GOD.
WE WERE AT OUR TABLE, MY MUM
AND I, PEOPLE HAD DRESSED FOR
DINNER DEFINITELY AT THIS
HOTEL.
AND HE JUST WANDERED IN IN LIKE
GOLD SHORTS AND A VEST, SO
IMMEDIATELY YOU LOOK AND...
AND THE CIGAR.
HE SORT OF WORKED THE ROOM,
CIRCULATED AND SPEAKING TO
EVERYONE AND CAME TO OUR TABLE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS EXCITING.
MY MUM THOUGHT IT WAS
INCREDIBLY EXCITING.
SHE REALLY DID GET... YOU KNOW,
SHE WAS REALLY STAR STRUCK.
IT WAS THE NEXT DAY THAT THE
ASSAULT HAPPENED, THE NEXT
MORNING.
THERE WAS ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER
GIRL ABOUT MY AGE STAYING WITH
HER MUM AND DAD AND BROTHER,
SO WE SORT OF HOOKED UP.
IT HAD A BACK DOOR THROUGH THE
CAR PARK TO TAKE YOU TO THE
BEACH, AND THAT'S WHERE
SAVILE WAS STAYING, IN HIS
MOTORHOME IN THE CAR PARK.
SO HE WASN'T ACTUALLY STAYING
IN THE HOTEL.
HE CAME OUT AND... GOT THIS GIRL
TO TAKE SOME PHOTOS OF ME
AND HIM.
THE FIRST TWO HE'S REALLY
PULLING ME INTO HIM, SORT OF
THRUSTING HIS LEG BETWEEN MY
LEGS.
I CAN TELL WHEN I LOOK
AT THE EXPRESSION ON MY FACE
I'M NOT... NOT COMFORTABLE
WITH IT.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE I DO
REMEMBER BECAUSE HE SAID OH,
HE TOOK HIS VEST OFF AND GOT
ME TO STAND BEHIND HIM, SO I
WAS MORE RELAXED IN THAT ONE
BECAUSE HE WASN'T LIKE PUSHING
INTO ME.
AND THEN WE GOT INVITED IN
TO SEE THE VAN.
AND IT WAS AS DIFFERENT AS
NIGHT IS FROM DAY.
JUST TOTALLY, TOTALLY CHANGED.
LOCKED THE DOOR AND PULLED ME
TOWARDS HIM.
YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMETIMES
WHEN PEOPLE READ ABOUT ABUSE
THEY JUST THINK, OH, IT'S THE
SAME AS ADULTS HAVING SEX,
BUT IT'S WITH A MINOR.
AND IT REALLY ISN'T.
AND IT REALLY WASN'T.
I DIDN'T TELL MY MUM WHAT HAD
HAPPENED.
BUT I COULDN'T STAND THE FACT
THAT SHE WAS STILL SORT OF
CHATTING WITH SAVILE.
HE WAS STILL IN THE HOTEL, AND
SHE WAS STILL TALKING TO HIM.
AND I THOUGHT YOU MUST KNOW
THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME.
YOU MUST SEE THAT.
AND... I JUST REALLY HATED
HER IN THAT MOMENT.
IT WAS HER JOB TO TAKE CARE OF
ME AND THAT HADN'T HAPPENED.
I COULDN'T TELL HER.
OH GOD, I COULDN'T TELL HER.
AND IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE SHE'S
DEAD THAT I WAS ABLE TO COME
FORWARD WHEN I DID, SPEAK
OUT WHEN I DID.
I WOULDN'T WANT...
I WOULDN'T WANT HER TO HAVE
THAT IMAGE.

She tears up and says IT'S ALMOST LIKE, OH GOD, THIS
IS DRAMATIC BUT... IT'S ALMOST
LIKE IT BROKE MY HEART SO WHY
SHOULD I BREAK HERS WITH IT.
I SORT OF THINK ONE HEART WAS
ENOUGH.

The interviewer says GIVEN YOU HAD
SUCH A HORRENDOUS EXPERIENCE
IN A CARAVAN BY THE SEA.
DOES IT EVER STRIKE YOU AS ODD
THAT YOU NOW HAVE CHOSEN TO
LIVE IN A CARAVAN BY THE SEA?

The caption changes to "Worthing, West Sussex."

Dee says I'D NEVER THOUGHT OF
THAT.
THAT'S REALLY FUNNY.
NO, 'COS THIS IS TOTAL
FREEDOM.
IT'S REALLY FRIENDLY, AND I
FEEL REALLY SAFE.
I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN SINCE I
MOVED HERE, THIS IS, THIS IS
IT, NOTHING ELSE IS GOING TO
HAPPEN.

A clip shows Dee walking her dog.

(music plays)

The narrator says DEE'S INTERVIEW
WITH ITV NEWS WAS BROADCAST
ON THE 2nd OF OCTOBER 2012.
HER CLAIMS AND FURTHER
NEWSPAPER ALLEGATIONS
TRIGGERED AN IMMEDIATE PUBLIC
RESPONSE.

A radio host says HAZEL IN FROOME
IN SOMERSET SAYS I'M DISGUSTED
THAT EVERYONE IS TRYING TO
SHOOT JIMMY SAVILE DOWN.
JIMMY SPENT HIS WHOLE LIFE
HELPING OTHER PEOPLE.
HE DID SO MUCH GOOD WORK.
LEAVE HIM ALONE.

A man says ALL IT'S DOING IS
MALIGNING A MAN WHO OVER SO
MANY YEARS HAD RAISED WELL
OVER 40 MILLION POUNDS FOR
CHARITY.
I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT THEY
WAITED SO LONG TO SAY IT.
IF THIS IS TRUE, WHY DID THEY
NOT REPORT IT TO SOMEONE
BEFOREHAND?

Dee says AND THEN IT JUST GREW
AND GREW.
AND WITH THAT GROWING, I GUESS
LOTS OF THINGS COME UP OF
PEOPLE HAVING OPINIONS, AND
NOT EVERYONE BEING
UNDERSTANDING.

The radio host says ONE MORE CALLER.
JINKY IS IN BURTON UPON
TRENT, AND SAYS YOUNG GIRLS
HAVE ALWAYS THROWN THEMSELVES
AT DJs AND POP STARS.

A man says THESE PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY
DISGUST ME.
THEY NEED TO REALLY GET THEIR
FACTS RIGHT.
ALL THIS IS IS
SENSATIONALIZING.

Cathy says I WAS ABSOLUTELY
RAGING.
BECAUSE ALL I WAS SEEING IN
THE PRESS AT THE TIME WAS
"STAR STRUCK TEENAGERS," AND
THAT TOTALLY... IT GOT TO ME.

Pauline says I HAD THIS IMAGE
THAT I WOULD BE BLAMED, THAT
SOMEHOW WHAT HAPPENED TO ME
WASN'T REAL, I WAS MAKING IT
ALL UP.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I THOUGHT THAT,
BUT I WAS MAKING IT ALL UP,
IT WASN'T REAL, AND I
WOULDN'T BE BELIEVED AT ALL.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "July 2015. Katy’s trial. Day Two."

The narrator says IT'S THE SECOND
DAY OF KATY'S TRIAL.
HER ALLEGED ABUSER IS NOW IN
HIS FORTIES.
KATY AND A FRIEND CLAIM THAT
HE SEXUALLY ABUSED THEM WHEN
THEY WERE 9, AND HE WAS 19.
TODAY, KATY'S FATHER IS BEING
CALLED AS A WITNESS TO TELL
THE JURY WHAT HE SAW.

The caption changes to "Stainton, South Yorkshire."

The caption changes to "Pat and Alan. Katy’s parents."

Alan says IT WAS A SUMMER
EVENING, I WOULD SAY AROUND
ABOUT 8 TO 8:30 TIME, A REALLY
HOT SUMMER'S NIGHT.
I WENT OUT TO LOOK FOR KATY,
SHOUTING AT HER.
SHE'D NOT HEARD ME, SO I
WALKED TO ONE END, WALKED PART
OF IT THEN COME BACK, AND
I THOUGHT, OH, THEY MIGHT BE
AT THE POND.
THEY WERE ALL MAKING DENS.
THE KIDS'LL BE MAKING DENS.
AND I SAW KATY AND HER FRIEND
FROM THE VILLAGE IN THE DEN,
AND ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE DEN
BUT LOOKING INTO IT THERE WAS
ANOTHER GUY THERE AS WELL.
BUT I NEVER THOUGHT ANYTHING
AT THE TIME BECAUSE I DIDN'T
HAVE ANY REASON TO THINK
ANYTHING.
SO I JUST SHOUTED "KATE, IT'S
TIME TO COME IN."
"OKAY."
AND THEN I SET OFF WALKING
BACK.

Katy says THERE WAS ME AND
ANOTHER GIRL AND HIM.
HE MUST HAVE KNOWN THAT WE HAD
A DEN, AND HE SAID "I'VE GOT
SOME SWEETS.
SHALL WE ALL GO UP THERE?"
I CAN HEAR HIM, I CAN HEAR HIS
VOICE, HE KEPT SAYING "WILL
YOU LET ME TOUCH YOUR FANNY?"
I HATE THAT WORD TO THIS DAY.
I ABSOLUTELY HATE IT.
AND THEN HE, UM...
HE STARTED HURTING ME.

Pictures of young Katy appear.

Alan says WE COULD ALWAYS TALK
TO EACH OTHER, AND I CAN'T
UNDERSTAND EVEN NOW WHY IT
TOOK HER UNTIL SHE WERE 15 TO
BE ABLE TO TELL ME.
IF I'D HAVE KNOWN, IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN A REALLY DIFFERENT
SITUATION.
THERE'S NO WAY I'D HAVE
WALKED AWAY FROM THAT.
I'D HAVE DRAGGED HIM BY THE
SCRUFF OF HIS NECK BACK TO OUR
HOUSE AND GOT THE POLICE AFTER
I GIVE HIM A GOOD KICKING.
BUT I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE
OF THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW
AT THE TIME.
BUT EVEN NOW I'M SO MAD INSIDE
ME, THAT I FEEL AS THOUGH I'VE
FAILED ME DAUGHTER.
I THINK TO MYSELF, YOU SHOULD
HAVE KNOWN, YOU SHOULD HAVE
KNOWN, YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE
SOMETHING, BUT I DIDN'T.
SHE SAID IT WEREN'T YOUR FAULT
DAD, AND DON'T... OH GOD,

He chokes up and says DON'T BLAME YOURSELF.
BUT... GOD, SAYING IT, BUT I
STILL DO.
I SAID RIGHT, I'LL HAVE A WORD
WITH YOUR MUM.
NO, I DON'T WANT YOU TO TELL
ME MUM.
SHE'LL NOT, SHE'LL NOT BE ABLE
TO TAKE THIS.
SO I HAD TO BOTTLE THAT UP
INSIDE ME FOR LIKE 15-16 YEARS
I'VE HAD THAT INSIDE ME.

The interviewer says WHAT'S THIS
LIKE FOR YOU, PAT, TO HEAR?

Pat says QUITE UPSETTING
ACTUALLY.
'COS YOU'VE NOT REALLY SPOKE
TO ME, HAVE YOU?

Alan says EVEN NOW I CAN'T
BECAUSE...

Pat says I'VE TRIED TO TALK TO
YOU, DIDN'T I?
AFTER THE POLICE, BUT HE
WOULDN'T SPEAK.
HE'D JUST GET UP AND WALK OUT,
WOULDN'T TALK TO ME.

Alan says I'VE GOT A LOT OF ANGER
INSIDE ME.

Pat says REALLY BEEN ANGRY WITH
ME, A LOT OF THE ANGER'S BEEN
TAKEN OUT ON ME.

Alan says YEAH, IT PROBABLY HAS.
I MEAN ALL THESE OTHER FAMILIES
WHO'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH WHAT
WE DO.
PEOPLE ON THE OUTSIDE, LOOKING
IN, THEY MIGHT THINK THEY
UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THEY DON'T.
THEY DON'T KNOW.

Katy says LET'S GO THEN.

The narrator says IN TOTAL, THE
ACCUSED MAN FACES 10 CHARGES.
KATY AND HER FRIEND
CORROBORATE ONE ANOTHER ON
FIVE.
THE OTHERS WILL BE KATY'S WORD
AGAINST HIS.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "October 3rd, 2012."

The narrator says THE DAY AFTER DEE COLES
APPEARED ON THE NEWS, ITV
RAN ITS DOCUMENTARY, "THE
OTHER SIDE OF JIMMY SAVILE."

The caption changes to "Exposure. The other side of Jimmy Savile."

The caption changes to "Mark Williams-Thomas. Journalist."

Mark is in his forties, with short wavy gray hair and clean-shaven. He wears a white shirt and a gray blazer.

Mark says SO YOU
WERE 16, YOU WERE IN THE BACK
OF HIS CARAVAN, HE WAS TOUCHING
YOU.
THERE COMES A POINT WHERE YOU
SAY TO HIM, 'YOU'RE NOT GOING
THE WHOLE WAY'.
WHAT WAS HIS RESPONSE TO THAT?

The narrator says THE DOCUMENTARY
FEATURED THE TESTIMONY OF FIVE
WOMEN DETAILING THEIR SEXUAL
ABUSE AT THE HANDS OF JIMMY
SAVILE.

A woman says BEFORE I KNEW WHAT
HAD HAPPENED, HE'D STUCK HIS
TONGUE IN TO MY MOUTH.
IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BOTHER HIM
THAT OTHER PEOPLE COULD HAVE
SEEN....
LOOKING BACK NOW AS AN ADULT
I REALIZE HE'D BEEN GROOMING
ME BY CALLING ME AT HOME AND
ARRANGING TO COME AND SEE ME.
HE WAS TRYING TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF A 14-YEAR-OLD
CHILD.
[telephone ringing]

A caller says I WATCHED THE
DOCUMENTARY AND I CRIED ALL
THE WAY THROUGH IT BECAUSE I
WAS PHYSICALLY AND SEXUALLY
ABUSED AS A CHILD.

[telephone ringing]

The narrator says AS THE DOCUMENTARY
WAS GOING OUT, HELP LINES WERE
DELUGED WITH CALLS.
SOME REVEALING DETAILS OF
ABUSE KEPT SECRET FOR DECADES.

A help line operator says DO YOU WANT TO TELL ME
WHAT'S PROMPTED YOUR CALL?
IS IT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED
TO YOU AS A CHILD THAT YOU
WANT TO TALK ABOUT?

Another operator says YEAH, YEAH, IF IT'S SOMETHING
YOU'VE NEVER SPOKEN ABOUT THEN
OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO FEEL
A BIT ODD FOR YOU.

The caption changes to "Kam Thandi. NSPCC Helpline."

Kam is in her thirties, with straight black hair in a bob cut. She wears a black and white top and a black blazer.

Kam says OUR CALLS DOUBLED
AND THEN TRIPLED AND FOR THE
FIRST TIME AT THE END OF THE
MONTH OF OCTOBER WE HAD 5000
CONTACTS.

The first operator says I'M SORRY I CAN'T GO INTO
GREATER DEPTH TODAY, BUT WE DO
HAVE TO LIMIT OUR CALL TIMES,
BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CALLS
COMING IN, BUT I WILL SHARE
THE KEY INFORMATION...

Kam says LOTS OF PEOPLE CALLING
THROUGH WERE REALLY ANGRY.
THEY WANTED TO DEFY THE CYNICS
OUT THERE, THEY WANTED TO SHOW
THEM THAT THIS WAS TRUE, THEY
WANTED THEIR STORY TO BE
HEARD.

A third operator says IT'S ALRIGHT, IT'S
ALRIGHT...

The caption changes to "Louise Exton. NSPCC Helpline."

Louise is in thirties, with long slightly wavy red hair with bangs. She wears a black sweater.

Louise says THIS DOCUMENTARY
GOING OUT HAD, FOR THEM, JUST
RIPPED SOMETHING OPEN.

The second operator says YEAH, THEY WERE GETTING LOTS
OF PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE LIKE
YOU WHO HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO
ANYONE ABOUT IT BEFORE SO...

Kam says IT STARTED TO BRING
THOSE TRIGGERS AND THOSE
MEMORIES BACK UP OF THEIR OWN
ABUSE.

A picture of a little girl in her first communion clothes appear.

Sam says WHEN YOU'RE SAT IN YOUR
FRONT ROOM AND HIS FACE IS ON
THE TELLY A LOT AND IN THE
PAPERS A LOT, YOU'VE GOT
NOWHERE TO HIDE.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T EVER TUCK
STUFF AWAY THEN, BECAUSE IT'S
REAL.
IT'S THERE, IT'S THERE.

The caption changes to "Sam. Abused, aged 2 to 14."

A song says HOLY, HOLY, HOLY
LORD GOD ALMIGHTY

Sam says STOKE MANDEVILLE
HOSPITAL'S GOT A CHAPEL WE USED
TO ATTEND EVERY SATURDAY
EVENING.
THE TIMES WHEN SAVILE CAME
THERE USED TO BE A LITTLE ROOM,
AND IT WAS MY JOB TO GO IN
THERE, GET THE COLLECTION
PLATE.
WHEN I WENT IN TO THEM ROOMS,
HE WOULD START TOUCHING, UM...
AND PUSHING HIS FINGERS INSIDE
ME, AND DOING WHATEVER HE
WANTED TO DO IN THAT LITTLE
FIVE-MINUTE SPACE.

The interviewer says WHY DO YOU THINK
HE SINGLED YOU OUT?

Sam says BECAUSE HE KNEW.
HE KNEW, HE KNEW WHAT I WAS.
HE KNEW THAT I WAS... HE KNEW
I'D BEEN ABUSED FOR YEARS.
WE DO THESE, WE HAVE OUR
LITTLE GANG OF, YOUR EYES GO
DOWN TO THE FLOOR, YOUR BODY
LANGUAGE OF HOW YOU HOLD
YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE
QUITE TENSE AND YOU...
THEY KNOW THAT.
YOU KNOW IT'S THERE, FOR
PEOPLE WHO THAT'S WHAT THEY
GET OFF ON, THEY KNOW, THEY
KNOW WHO YOU ARE, THEY KNOW
YOU'VE BEEN PRIMED AND YOU'VE
BEEN, YOU'VE BEEN TOUCHED,
BECAUSE STRAIGHT AWAY WE KNOW
WHO THEY ARE.
I KNEW WHO HE WAS, I KNEW WHAT
HE WAS.
TO ME, IT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE
OF IMPORTANCE DID THEN.

(music plays)

Pictures of Sam’s childhood appear.

Sam says MY GRANDFATHER WAS A
POLICEMAN, IN MET POLICE, AND
A VERY POWERFUL, BIG PERSON.
'COS MY ABUSE STARTED VERY
YOUNG, A TODDLER, I WAS VERY
INWARD, SO I DIDN'T TALK A LOT.
I WAS A VERY GOOD, QUIET CHILD,
SO THEREFORE NOBODY NOTICED ME.
I WAS JUST A GOOD LITTLE KID.
MY GRANDDAD WAS MY SAVIOUR.
HE WAS MY ABUSER, AND HE WAS
MY SAVIOUR.
THAT GETS REALLY CONFUSING
BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY
WHO'S COMING TO FIGHT YOUR
CORNER, ALL THE TIME, BUT THAT
SAME PERSON THAT'S FIGHTING IN
YOUR CORNER IS ALSO DOING WHAT
THEY WANT TO DO TO YOU.
SO THAT... THAT CAUSES A MESS.
MY COMMUNION PICTURES, I MUST
HAVE BEEN SEVEN.
AND I HATED COMMUNION, 'COS MY
GRANDDAD, HE TOLD ME THAT, YOU
SEE, I WAS MARRYING GOD.
SO WHEN YOU MARRY GOD YOU HAVE
TO HAVE SEX.
SO I KNEW ON MY CONFIRMATION
AND MY HOLY COMMUNION THAT HE
WOULD RAPE ME AFTERWARDS.
WHEN I WENT TO THE DOOR OF THE
CHURCH, I REALLY DIDN'T WANT
TO GO IN.
I KICKED UP SUCH A FUSS, AND MY
MUM WAS, YOU KNOW, SHE SO MAD.
OF COURSE EVERYBODY ELSE WAS
HAPPILY GOING IN THERE AND ALL
THE PARENTS WERE EXCITED AND
ALL THE KIDS WERE EXCITED,
WHERE I JUST... I WAS SO
MORTIFIED.
AND I LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF
THAT LITTLE GIRL, SHE LOOKS SO
BLATANTLY SAD.
SHE LOOKS SO SAD.
WHAT WAS I?
I WAS JUST A LITTLE KID...
WHOSE LIFE JUST GOT TOOK.
I FELT LIKE EVERYTHING HAD LET
ME DOWN, EVERYBODY HAD LET ME
DOWN; ANY ADULT HAD LET ME
DOWN.
AND I WAS JUST ON SUCH A
MASSIVE SELF-DESTRUCT THAT
I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT ANYBODY.
I WAS DRUNK; I SLEPT WITH
SOMEBODY, NOT A BOYFRIEND.
AND I WENT TO OUR LITTLE
CHEMIST AND I TOOK A PREGNANCY
TEST THERE, AND IT SAID I WAS
PREGNANT.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO HAPPY IN
MY ENTIRE LIFE, 'COS I HAD MY
LITTLE BABY, AND I WOULD
LOOK AFTER THEM, AND KEEP THEM
SAFE.
AND I KNEW THAT I WOULD LOVE
MY OWN BABY I'D FEEL...
TO FILL INSIDE.
THIS BABY THAT'S DONE NOTHING TO
NOBODY, YOU KNOW, NOTHING TO
NOBODY, NOT HURT ANYBODY, NOT
LET NOBODY DOWN, WILL LOVE ME
REGARDLESS OF, YOU KNOW THAT
I'M DIRTY, THAT I'M USED, THAT
NOBODY REALLY LOVES ME.
THIS BABY WILL LOVE ME AND I
WILL LOVE THIS BABY, AND FROM
THAT SECOND ON I MUST HAVE
BEEN, BECAUSE I HAD GEMMA A
COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER MY 16th
BIRTHDAY, FROM THAT SECOND ON
I WANTED LIFE.
I WANTED LIFE WITH EVERY BIT
OF ME.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "Gemma. Daughter."

Gemma is in her thirties, with long straight blond hair with bangs. She wears a gray sweater and a long pendant necklace.

Sam and Gemma play cards with other people.

Gemma says DIDN'T HEAR THE KNOCK
THOUGH.

Sam says SHE MUST HAVE KNOCKED.

A man says IT'S A KNOCK WITHOUT A NOISE!

Sam says EVERYBODY HAS TO HAVE
MADE SURE THAT THE KNOCK IS
LOUD.

Sam says NOT A MINUTE THAT GOES
BY THAT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M
LIKE 'CHEERS GIRL', YOU KNOW.
SHE DONE THE JOB.
I ONLY LOVED MY DAUGHTER THEN.
I DIDN'T EXPECT EVER TO LOVE
A MAN, NOT IN MY WHOLE LIFE.

A man says IT'S YOUR GO!

Jim says IT'S NOT!
IT'S GOING THAT WAY!

Sam says YEAH, I DEFINITELY HAD
A GAME PLAN.

The interviewer says AND WHAT WAS
THAT?

Sam says TO GIVE GEMMA A GOOD
DAD, A STEADY, SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT DONE IT IN
THE END.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE
HE ASKED ANYTHING FROM ME.

The interviewer says IS THAT RIGHT,
JIM?

Jim says YEAH.
I KNOW WHAT IT'S DONE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
I JUST KNOW WHAT IT'S DONE SO
I DON'T NEED TO KNOW THE INS
AND OUTS OF IT ALL.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO KNOW
THE INS AND OUTS OF IT ALL IF
I'M TOTALLY HONEST.

The interviewer says BUT YOU'VE
NEVER HAD A CONVERSATION
ABOUT THAT?

Jim says I DON'T WANT TO HAVE
THAT IN MY HEAD, DO YOU KNOW
WHAT I MEAN?
I DON'T WANT THAT.
AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT IT IN
YOUR HEAD, BUT I DON'T WANT IT
IN MINE.
SO, I THINK I'VE GOT THE BEST
END OF THE DEAL HERE.

Sam says DON'T BE SOAPY.
COME ON.

Jim says BUT IT'S TRUE.
I DON'T WANT THAT IN MY HEAD.
I CAN'T TAKE THAT IN MY HEAD.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "October 9, 2012."

(music plays)

The caption changes to "Commander Peter Spindler. Head of Specialist Crime Investigations."

Peter is in his forties, bald and clean-shaven. He wears a blue suit, white shirt and striped blue tie.

Peter says NOTHING PREPARED US
FOR WHAT WAS UNLEASHED AFTER
THE STORY BROKE.
THAT FIRST WEEKEND WE HAD
ABOUT 35 VICTIMS COME FORWARD.
THE SCALE OF THIS WAS GOING TO
OUTSTRIP OUR POLICING
STRUCTURES.

The narrator says THE SAVILE
REVELATIONS LED THE
METROPOLITAN POLICE TO LAUNCH
A MAJOR ENQUIRY, OPERATION
YEWTREE.
ITS COMMANDER, PETER SPINDLER,
WAS THRUST INTO THE SPOTLIGHT.

A clip from a news show rolls.

Peter says IT'S QUITE CLEAR THAT
HE HAS PERPETRATED FOUR DECADES
OF ABUSE, AND IT'S VITAL THAT
THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN VICTIMS
OF THAT ACTUALLY GET THE
RECOGNITION AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT
AND SUPPORT THAT THEY DESERVE.

Peter says I DON'T THINK WE COULD HAVE
DONE WHAT WE DID WITH A LIVE
SUSPECT.
WE WOULD HAVE KEPT VERY QUIET,
WE WOULD HAVE COME UP WITH
PRESS LINES THAT "THIS IS AN
ON-GOING CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION AND WE'RE NOT
PREPARED TO DISCUSS."
THE DIFFERENCE WITH SAVILE WAS
I WAS PREPARED TO TAKE THE RISK
THAT, OKAY, WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN?
A FAMILY MEMBER'S GOING TO SUE
ME?
YOU CAN'T, I DON'T THINK YOU
CAN DEFAME A DEAD PERSON.
NOW I WASN'T GETTING LEGAL
ADVICE AS WE WERE DOING THIS.

The interviewer says AND YOU HAVE NO
DOUBTS NOW ABOUT JIMMY SAVILE?

Peter says AT THIS STAGE IT'S
QUITE CLEAR FROM WHAT WOMEN
ARE TELLING US THAT SAVILE WAS
A PREDATORY SEX OFFENDER.
AS I STEPPED AWAY FROM THE
CAMERA MY PRESS OFFICER SAID
TO ME, WHISPERS IN MY EAR, DO
YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU'VE JUST
SAID?
YOU JUST SAID SAVILE WAS A
PREDATORY SEX OFFENDER, AND I
SAID, 'YEAH, I'M FINE WITH
THAT'.
AND, OF COURSE, IT IS THE LEAD
NEWS STORY, AND THE FRONT
COVERS OF THE NEXT DAY.

A reporter says SCOTLAND YARD
HAS SAID THAT JIMMY SAVILE, WHO
AS A PREDATORY SEX OFFENDER
CARRIED OUT...

Another reporter says FEAR THAT SAVILE
WAS A PREDATORY SEX OFFENDER
WHO COULD HAVE ABUSED UP TO
30 VICTIMS OVER 40 YEARS.
POINT FOR THE ENQUIRY.
BECAUSE THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING FOR VICTIMS IS ABOUT
BEING BELIEVED.
AND THE FACT THAT WE WERE SEEN
TO BE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY, AND
SOMEONE SENIOR IS STANDING IN
FRONT OF A CAMERA SAYING
ESSENTIALLY I BELIEVE YOU,
TELL US ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED,
THAT JUST UNLEASHED WHAT WAS
ULTIMATELY AN EXPONENTIAL RISE
IN REPORTING.

A news anchor says TONIGHT AT 10
POLICE ARE NOW PURSUING MORE
THAN 100 LINES OF ENQUIRY
ABOUT JIMMY SAVILE.

(music plays)

The narrator says IN THE DAYS
FOLLOWING THE MET'S
ANNOUNCEMENT, SCORES MORE
VICTIMS CAME FORWARD.
SOME WENT DIRECTLY TO THE
PRESS.
AMONG THEM, ONE OF SAVILE'S
YOUNGEST VICTIMS, ABUSED AS
A 9-YEAR-OLD BOY.

A newspaper headline reads "Savile’s youngest victim. A scout..."

Kevin says I WASN'T TO BLAME SO
I THOUGHT THAT I'D TELL THE
PRESS.
SHARON DIDN'T WANT ME TO DO
IT, BUT I JUST WENT OUT,
PHONED THE PRESS, MADE AN
APPOINTMENT AND THEN WE JUST
DONE IT.

The interviewer says DID YOU KNOW
THAT KEVIN WAS GOING TO CALL
THE SUN?

Sharon says NO IDEA.
IF I'D HAVE KNOWN THEN I WOULD
NEVER, EVER, EVER HAVE LET
HIM DONE IT.
NEVER EVER IN A MILLION YEARS.

Kevin says BUT IT'S EASIER FOR
ME TO SPEAK TO STRANGERS.
I TELL THEM EVERYTHING.
BUT NONE OF MY CLOSE FAMILY,
COULDN'T DO IT.
COULDN'T TELL SHARON IT,
COULDN'T TELL MY BROTHER IT,
HOW CAN... YOU KNOW?

The interviewer says DO YOU KNOW WHAT
HAPPENED TO KEVIN?

Sharon says NOT COMPLETELY, NO.
JUST BITS AND PIECES REALLY,
ISN'T IT?
I'VE NOT READ ANYTHING, NOT
HEARD ANYTHING AS SUCH, IT'S
JUST WHAT I'VE PICKED UP
OVERHEARING YOUR CONVERSATIONS,
INNIT?
HIDING IN OTHER ROOMS AND
WHATEVER, I'VE NOT...

The interviewer says REALLY?

Sharon says YEAH.

The interviewer says IT SOUNDS LIKE
YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW.

Sharon says I DON'T NEED TO KNOW
UNLESS KEVIN WANTS ME TO KNOW.
I DON'T FEEL THE NEED THAT
I HAVE TO KNOW.
REALLY, I WISH IT HAD NEVER
HAPPENED, SO BY NOT KNOWING
EVERYTHING I SUPPOSE IN MY
MIND IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR ME
TO DEAL WITH.

The caption changes to "Sharon has asked to leave whilst Kevin discusses his abuse."

The caption changes to "Kevin Cook. Abused, aged 9."

Sharon leaves the room.

(music plays)

Clips from Jimmy’ll fix it roll.

Kevin says THE CUB LEADER WROTE
A LETTER WITH HIS IDEA WHICH
WAS THE MILK FLOAT RACE AROUND
BRANDS HATCH.
I GOT PICKED OUT.
I WAS PRETENDING TO EAT OUT OF
THIS HORSE BAG WITH OATS IN
IT, BUT I ACTUALLY ATE THEM.
IT WAS JUST GREAT FUN.
EVEN NOW, IF I'M THINKING
ABOUT THAT DAY, IT WAS JUST
YOU KNOW, EXCITE...
IT WAS REALLY, REALLY GOOD.
AND THAT WAS PART OF MY
CHILDHOOD.
WE JUST ASSUMED THE 8 OF US
WAS GONNA GET OUR OWN BADGE
WHICH WAS ICONIC IN ITSELF.
THEN WE FOUND OUT THAT WE WAS
JUST GOING TO GET ONE BADGE,
ONE NORMAL BADGE BUT IT WAS
GONNA HAVE A BIG RIBBON AND
THEY WAS GOING TO PUT IT ROUND
THE WHOLE GROUP.
THEN WE WAS A BIT
DISAPPOINTED.
SAVILE APPROACHED ME AND ASKED
ME IF I WANTED MY OWN BADGE
FOR MYSELF.
YEAH, JUST JUMPED AT IT.
I WAS LED OFF THE STAGE,
THROUGH SOME BIG DOUBLE DOORS
AND THEN INTO A LITTLE ROOM.
I WAS FINE.
JUST THOUGHT I WAS GETTING MY
BADGE.
HE SAT ME DOWN AND THEN HE
JUST UNBUTTONED MY SHORTS.
THERE WAS A KNOCK AT THE DOOR,
A MAN WALKED INTO THE ROOM,
CAME OVER, WATCHED FOR
LITERALLY SECONDS AND THEN
TOOK PART.
HE WAS LIKE AN ANIMAL.
SAVILE ACTUALLY STOPPED HIM.
THEN HE ISSUED A WARNING TO ME
AND A THREAT.

The interviewer says WHAT DID HE SAY?

Kevin says HE SAID TO ME LIKE
DON'T YOU DARE TELL ANYONE.
NO ONE WILL BELIEVE YA.
I'M... AND HE CALLED HIMSELF
KING JIMMY... AND HE SAID WE
KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.
I JUST HAD TO HIDE IT.

Sharon says HOW CAN SOMEONE KEEP
SUCH A BIG SECRET FOR SO LONG?
YOU SORT OF LIVE YOUR LIFE
NORMALLY, WHAT YOU THINK'S
NORMAL, WAS THAT NORMAL?
IT JUST MAKES EVERYTHING...
YOU QUESTION EVERYTHING,
DON'T IT, REALLY?
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE
MARRIAGE, YOU'VE GOT THE
FRIENDSHIP, YOU'VE GOT THE
CLOSENESS, YOU'VE GOT IT ALL.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN
THERE'S THIS GREAT BIG 'WHOA'
THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT.
I MEAN IT JUST SORT OF MAKES
EVERYTHING, YOU THINK, LIKE,
IF HE CAN KEEP THAT FROM ME,
WHAT ELSE HAS HE KEPT FROM ME?
AND IT DOES MAKE YOU
SELF-DOUBT, DOESN'T IT, REALLY
I SUPPOSE.
'COS OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BIG
SECRET TO TAKE, CARRY AROUND.

The interviewer says AND WHERE ARE
YOU BOTH AT WITH THAT NOW?

Sharon says PLODDING ALONG.

Kevin says YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY
RIGHT, PLODDING ALONG.

Sharon says FOR BETTER, FOR
WORSE.
FOR RICHER, FOR POORER.

Kevin says YEAH, THAT'S IT.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "October 9th, 2012."

A woman says WHY DID SAVILE
NEVER HAVE TO FACE THESE
ALLEGATIONS AND PAY FOR HIS
CRIMES DURING HIS LIFETIME?

A man says I JUST CANNOT
UNDERSTAND HOW THIS REMAINED
HIDDEN FOR SO LONG.

The narrator says WITH SO MANY
VICTIMS COMING FORWARD SINCE
SAVILE HAD DIED, THE QUESTION
NOW WAS HOW HE'D ESCAPED
JUSTICE WHEN HE WAS ALIVE.
ONE ORGANIZATION HAD THE
ANSWER.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "Keir Starmer, M.P. Former Director of Public Prosecutions."

Keir is in his forties, clean-shaven and with short gray hair. He wears a blue suit, pale blue shirt and printed red tie.

Keir says I SAID HAVE WE EVER
HAD A JIMMY SAVILE ALLEGATION
FILE ON OUR DESKS?
IF SO, WHEN AND WHERE.
AND I WANT TO HAVE THOSE
LOOKED AT AGAIN.
AND INITIALLY THERE WAS A
TRAWL AND A SEARCH AND A
NUMBER OF FILES WERE FOUND.
AND I ASKED MY PRINCIPAL LEGAL
ADVISOR, THEN ALISON LEVITT
QC, FOR THOSE DECISIONS TO BE
LOOKED AT.

The caption changes to "Alison Levitt, Q.C. Former Principal Legal Advisor, CPS."

Alison is in her fifties, with straight blond hair in a bob cut. She wears a black blouse and a black blazer.

Alison says THERE WERE 4
ALLEGATIONS.
THEY WERE... THEY ALL HAD THE
HALLMARKS OF CREDIBILITY ABOUT
THEM, WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT THE
COMPLAINANTS WERE SAYING THERE
WAS NOTHING ABOUT YOU THOUGHT
"THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT."
SO WHY WERE THE COMPLAINANTS
SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT
TO GO AHEAD WITH THEM?

The narrator says FOUR WOMEN HAD
SEPARATELY REPORTED SAVILE TO
THE POLICE WHILE HE WAS ALIVE.
SAVILE WAS INTERVIEWED BUT
DENIED EVERYTHING.
THE FIRST WOMAN TO MAKE AN
ALLEGATION WAS KNOWN AS
MISS C.
SHE WAS INTERVIEWED BY
DETECTIVES.

Alison says WHAT THEY SAID TO
HER WAS IF YOU WANT, IF YOU
REALLY WANT THIS PURSUED, WE
WILL DO SO, AND WE BELIEVE
YOU, AND WE THINK THAT YOU'RE
TELLING THE TRUTH.
BUT WE DO NEED TO WARN YOU
ABOUT WHAT IS LIKELY TO
HAPPEN, BECAUSE JIMMY SAVILE
IS A VERY RICH, POWERFUL AND
FAMOUS MAN.
CHANCES ARE NOBODY WILL
BELIEVE YOU, HE WILL HAVE THE
BEST LAWYERS, IT WILL ALL TAKE
PLACE AT A BIG COURT IN
LONDON, YOU WILL BE CROSS
EXAMINED, AND YOU WILL BE MADE
TO LOOK LIKE A LIAR AND YOUR
NAME WILL BE PLASTERED ALL
OVER THE NEWSPAPERS.
THE WORST MOMENT OF IT WAS
WHEN SHE SAID TO THE OFFICERS,
'IF IT'S JUST ABOUT ME, I
DON'T WANT TO TAKE THIS ANY
FURTHER'.
AND I KNEW THAT IT WASN'T JUST
ABOUT HER, AND I COULD SEE SHE
HADN'T BEEN TOLD THAT.
AND SO THIS IMMEDIATELY RAISED
THE QUESTION OF 'IF SHE HAD
BEEN TOLD, WOULD SHE HAVE SEEN
IT DIFFERENTLY?'
IN FACT, I WENT TO SEE FOUR OF
THE VICTIMS AND EACH OF THEM
VOLUNTEERED TO ME, "IF I'D
KNOWN THERE WERE OTHERS, I
WOULD HAVE BEEN PREPARED TO
COME FORWARD."

The interviewer says HOW DID YOU FEEL
ABOUT THAT?

Alison says REALLY SAD, SAD FOR
THEM.

Old footage shows Savile jogging, riding his luxury car and entering his house.

The narrator says ALISON LEVITT'S
REPORT INTO THE HANDLING OF
THE SAVILE ALLEGATIONS LED TO
AN OVERHAUL OF HOW THE CPS AND
THE POLICE DEALT WITH CASES
OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE.

Keir says WHAT WAS OBVIOUS TO
ME WAS THAT THESE WERE NOT
ISOLATED EXAMPLES.
THESE WERE WIDESPREAD
DIFFICULTIES AND PROBLEMS IN
THE FUNCTIONING OF OUR CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM AND THE APPROACH
THAT WE'D TAKEN.
WE OWED IT TO THOSE WHOSE
CASES MAY NOT HAVE PROCEEDED
TO LOOK AGAIN AT THEIR CASES.
AND WE SET UP A VICTIMS RIGHT
TO REVIEW SCHEME WHERE ANY
VICTIM WHOSE CASE DOES NOT
PROCEED, CAN SAY TO THE
PROSECUTING TEAM, 'I WANT YOU
TO LOOK AGAIN'.
AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT
SCHEME IS THE VICTIM DOESN'T
HAVE TO SAY WHY THEY THINK THE
DECISION WAS WRONG, THEY DON'T
NEED A LAWYER, ALL THEY NEED
TO SAY IS: I'M UNHAPPY WITH
THE DECISION, WILL YOU LOOK AT
IT AGAIN?

(music plays)

The caption changes to "July 2015. Katy’s trial. End of day two."

Katy and her friend are in the kitchen.

Katy says RIGHT, WHAT SHALL I DO?
I KIND OF WANT TO DO
SOMETHING NORMAL.
I COULD WASH THAT.

The narrator says KATY WAS ONE OF
THE FIRST PEOPLE TO BENEFIT
FROM THAT RIGHT TO REVIEW.
THE CPS ORIGINALLY TURNED DOWN
HER CASE BUT CHANGED ITS MIND
AFTER SHE REQUESTED THEY LOOK
AT IT AGAIN.
AH, IT'S JOSEPH.

Joe says BECAUSE I WAS GETTING
STUFF FOR COURT I JUST
RANDOMLY BOUGHT MYSELF A SHIRT
WHICH I QUITE LIKE.
YOU OKAY?

The narrator says KATY'S HUSBAND JOE
WILL BE THE NEXT PERSON TO BE
CROSS-EXAMINED IN THE TRIAL.
WITH NO FORENSIC EVIDENCE,
JOE'S ACCOUNT OF THE EFFECT
THE ALLEGED ABUSE HAS HAD ON
THEIR RELATIONSHIP WILL BE
KEY.

Joe says WHEN WE GOT TOGETHER WE
WERE CHARGING AROUND THE
COUNTRYSIDE, WALKING,
CLIMBING, CAMPING, SPENDING
AWESOME TIME AND MONEY
TOGETHER.
IT WERE AWESOME.
AND THEN IT WAS CASE OF, KATY
FELT SHE NEEDED TO SAY THIS
BEFORE WE EMBARKED ON A
SERIOUS RELATIONSHIP.
SO THAT'S WHEN YOU TOLD ME.

Katy says YEAH, THAT'S WHEN I
FIRST TOLD YOU.

The interviewer says WHAT DID SHE
TELL YOU, JOE?

Joe says SHE TOLD ME SHE'D BEEN
ABUSED, AND IT WAS JUST LIKE
"OKAY, WHAT NEXT?"
YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T REALLY MEAN
ANYTHING.
YOU JUST THINK THAT'S AWFUL,
SORRY ABOUT THAT, CARRY ON.
I DIDN'T EVEN... I DIDN'T
IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD MEAN
OR WHAT IT MEANT.

The interviewer says WHEN DID YOU
FIRST RECOGNIZE IT AS A
PROBLEM?

Joe says WHEN WE WENT ON
HONEYMOON.

Katy says THAT WAS AWFUL.

Joe says KATY PASSED OUT ON THE
PLANE 'COS SHE WAS SO SCARED
OF HAVING SEX WITH ME.

The interviewer says WERE YOU AWARE
OF WHY SHE PASSED OUT?

Joe says NO, I WAS WATCHING A
FILM ON THE PLANE.
WHAT WAS IT?
I WAS WATCHING DUKES OF...

Katy says STARSKY AND HUTCH.

Joe says STARSKY AND HUTCH OR
SOMETHING.

Katy says AND I WAS IN THE TOILET
FOR NEARLY THE ENTIRE FILM.
I THINK I KNEW BEFORE YOU
OBVIOUSLY THAT THERE WAS A
REAL....

Joe says WELL, YOU HAD ALL THESE
FEARS INSIDE.
I HAD ALL THESE LIKE WILD
EXPECTATIONS, AND KATY HAD ALL
THESE WILD FEARS.
AND IT JUST, LIKE, COLLIDED.

Katy says YEAH, IT DID.

Joe says LIKE SOME KIND OF
EXPLOSION.

Katy says I CAN'T SHAKE OFF
FEELING FILTHY AND DIRTY.
AND I ALSO... I'M JUST
BOMBARDED BY SENSATIONS OF...
OF THEN.
BUT I KNOW IT'S AN INCREDIBLE
LOSS FOR JOE.
I KNOW THAT.

Joe says IT'S AN INCREDIBLE LOSS
FOR YOU AS WELL THAT YOU CAN'T
FEEL ABOUT IT HOW I FEEL ABOUT
IT, YOU KNOW?
YOU'VE BEEN...
SOMETHING'S BEEN TAKING FROM
YOU THAT WILL NEVER GET BACK.
AND NOW WE'LL NEVER PROPERLY
SHARE WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE.
AND THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE THING
IS JUST INCREDIBLY, INCREDIBLY
SAD.
AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT
IT.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "October 12th, 2012."

The narrator says WITH THE POLICE
AND CROWN PROSECUTION SERVICE
FORCED TO INVESTIGATE SAVILE'S
CRIMES, IT WAS THE TURN OF
ANOTHER BRITISH INSTITUTION TO
BECOME THE STORY... THE BBC.
NOT ONLY HAD SAVILE ABUSED
CHILDREN ON BBC PREMISES, BUT
ALMOST A YEAR BEFORE HIS
CRIMES WERE REVEALED IT HAD
FILMED BUT NEVER SHOWN THIS
INTERVIEW WITH KARIN WARD.

Karin says HE PROMISED ME THAT
IF I GAVE HIM ORAL SEX THAT HE
WOULD ARRANGE FOR ME AND MY
FRIENDS TO GO TO TELEVISION
CENTRE AND BE ON HIS
TELEVISION SHOW.

The narrator says THE BBC STOOD
ACCUSED OF A COVER-UP.

A man at court says THE ALLEGATIONS AND
WHAT SEEMS TO HAVE HAPPENED
ARE COMPLETELY APPALLING, AND
I THINK ARE SHOCKING THE ENTIRE
COUNTRY.
AND THESE ALLEGATIONS DO LEAVE
MANY INSTITUTIONS, PERHAPS
PARTICULARLY THE BBC, WITH
SERIOUS QUESTIONS TO ANSWER.

Meirion says IT WAS AN
INCONVENIENT STORY, A VERY
INCONVENIENT STORY FOR THE
BBC.
YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH DAMAGE
IT COULD DO.
IT COULD DAMAGE OTHER BBC
PRESENTERS AND ENTERTAINERS.
THE BBC COULD BE SUED FOR
DAMAGES.
THE WHOLE CULTURE OF THE BBC
WOULD COME UNDER SCRUTINY AT
A TIME WHEN THE BBC IS IN A
VULNERABLE POSITION.

He says to a reporter I'VE BEEN ASKED NOT TO DO
INTERVIEWS, BUT YES OBVIOUSLY
I'M HAPPY THAT OUR STORY IS
OUT THERE.

The narrator says THE ENSUING CRISIS
MARKED THE BEGINNING OF THE
END FOR THE BBC'S DIRECTOR
GENERAL, GEORGE ENTWISTLE.
IN THE INQUIRIES THAT
FOLLOWED, NO EVIDENCE WAS
FOUND OF A COVER-UP.
BUT THE BBC WAS HEAVILY
CRITICIZED FOR A CULTURE THAT
HAD ALLOWED SAVILE'S ABUSE TO
GO UNDETECTED FOR DECADES.

Liz says THERE WAS A DEGREE
OF INTERNAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT
JIMMY SAVILE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, A LOT
OF HOW THE BBC BEHAVED WAS
AS OTHER INSTITUTIONS BEHAVED,
THE PEOPLE MAKING THE
COMPLAINTS ARE SIDE-LINED,
THEY ARE DISBELIEVED, THEY ARE
SEEN AS NOT CREDIBLE AND OFTEN
BLAMED FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY
WEREN'T AT ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR.
AND IN THAT WAY, ACTUALLY, I
THINK THE BBC BEHAVED EXACTLY
AS OTHER INSTITUTIONS DID.

The narrator says ATTENTION THEN
TURNED TO ANOTHER INSTITUTION:
THE NHS.
INVESTIGATIONS WERE LAUNCHED
INTO SAVILE'S ACTIVITIES AT
13 HOSPITALS AND A HOSPICE.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST TOOK PLACE
IN SAVILE'S HOME TOWN OF
LEEDS.
IT WAS LED BY FORMER
DETECTIVE RAY GALLOWAY.

The caption changes to "Ray Galloway. Director of Investigations. Leeds General Infirmary."

Ray is in his forties, clean-shaven and with short straight blond hair. He wears a blue suit, white and blue striped shirt and white and red striped tie.

Ray says I THOUGHT AS A RESULT
OF MY CAREER IN THE POLICE
SERVICE, WHICH I SAW SOME
PRETTY HARROWING SIGHTS, AND
DEALT WITH SOME REALLY NASTY
PEOPLE, THAT SAVILE WOULD BE
QUITE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
HE WASN'T.
I DIDN'T THINK I'D NEED SUPPORT.
I HAD THAT TRADITIONAL VIEW
OF 'I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM,
I'VE SEEN THIS ALL BEFORE'.
I HADN'T.

A poster asking victims and witnesses of Sevile’s to come forward appears.

Ray says WE PUT SCREEN SAVERS ON ALL OF
THE ORGANIZATIONAL COMPUTERS,
POSTERS ALL AROUND THE HOSPITAL,
AND THE MESSAGE WAS OUT.
AND OVER A PERIOD OF TIME
IT STARTED TO GATHER MOMENTUM.
SAVILE'S VICTIMS AT LEEDS
RANGED FROM 5 TO 75.
THEY WERE PATIENTS, THEY WERE
VISITORS, THEY WERE STAFF,
THEY WERE PEOPLE WHO WORKED
WITH HIM.

The caption changes to "Pauline. Former Medical Secretary. Leeds General Infirmary."

Pauline says I SAW A POSTER ABOUT
SPEAKING OUT, AND I HAD TO
THINK ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME.

The interviewer says HOW LONG DID YOU
THINK ABOUT IT FOR?

Pauline says MONTHS.

The interviewer says REALLY?

Pauline says MM-HMM.
IT WAS JUST TOWARDS THEY WERE
CLOSING UP DOING ALL THE
INTERVIEWS THAT I WENT.
I THINK I WANTED TO BE
BELIEVED, AND I THOUGHT THIS
IS MY ONE CHANCE, IF I DON'T
DO IT NOW, I'M NOT GOING TO.
I'M GOING TO MY GRAVE WITH IT.

Ray says SHE CAME IN.
YOU WOULD THINK FROM HER
APPEARANCE THAT SHE WOULD BE
A CONFIDENT LADY.
SHE WAS ANYTHING BUT.
SHE WAS A SHELL.
SHE WAS SHAKING, SHE WAS
TEARFUL, AND SHE JUST WANTED
TO TELL HER STORY.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "Pauline. Abused, aged 24."

A clip rolls with the caption "Pauline. Aged 21."

Pauline says I HAD TO GO THE
HEAD PORTER.
THERE WAS JIMMY SAVILE SAT
THERE, LAID IN THE CHAIR IN
HIS OFFICE, AND HE CAME UP TO
ME AND SAID WOULD YOU LIKE TO
GO FOR A CUP OF TEA?
I'VE GOT TO GO TO MY MOTHER'S
HOUSE, AND WE COULD HAVE A CUP
OF TEA THERE.
AND SORT OF BEING A BIT STAR
STRUCK AND A BIT CURIOUS,
I THOUGHT 'OH, OKAY, YEAH,
WHY NOT'.
OFF WE WENT IN HIS WHITE
ROLLS ROYCE.
HE PUSHED ME BACK, UNDRESSED,
I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE SEEN THE
LOOK OF SHEER HORROR AND SHOCK
ON MY FACE, AND HE SAYS, DON'T
WORRY, I'VE HAD A VASECTOMY.
AND I JUST FROZE.
I DID ACTUALLY SAY 'STOP THIS.
I DON'T WANT IT'.
AND HE DIDN'T.
IT WAS VERY CRUEL.
I THOUGHT I SOMEHOW ASKED FOR
IT.

A picture of an extremely skinny Pauline appears with the caption "Pauline, Aged 60."

The interviewer says AND HOW LONG DID
YOU FEEL THAT?

Pauline says UNTIL ABOUT TWO OR
THREE YEARS AGO.
I WOULD GET SO DEPRESSED, I
HAD ANOREXIA AS WELL, I HAD
ABSOLUTELY NO CONFIDENCE IN
MYSELF.
I HATED MYSELF.
I JUST FELT I WAS BRANDED.
THE ONLY PERSON I EVER TOLD
WAS MY HUSBAND BEFORE WE GOT
MARRIED.

The interviewer says SHE TOLD YOU,
YOU SORT OF BECAME COMPLICIT
IN THAT SECRECY.

Malcolm says IT WASN'T SECRET,
IT WAS SHAME, WASN'T IT?

Pauline says WHAT?

Malcolm says YOU WERE ASHAMED OF
IT.

Pauline says YEAH, BUT HOW DID
YOU?

Malcolm says I WASN'T ASHAMED
OF IT.
I WAS TRYING TO... YOUR
SHAME, I WASN'T COMPLICIT IN
YOUR SECRECY I WAS COMPLICIT
IN KEEPING YOUR SHAME AWAY
FROM OTHER PEOPLE SO IT DIDN'T
AFFECT YOU.
I WAS TRYING TO PROTECT YOU
ON THAT BASIS.

Pauline says IT HAD A GREAT DEAL
OF AFFECT ON MY HUSBAND 'COS HE
HAD TO COPE, 'COS I WAS IN
HOSPITAL QUITE A FEW TIMES.

Malcolm says ANOREXIA WAS THE
PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION WHICH
WAS FRIGHTENING, VERY
FRIGHTENING.
YOU NEARLY COPPED IT A COUPLE
OF TIMES DIDN'T YOU?
I COULDN'T... I HAD TO WATCH
PAULINE EAT, I USED TO PANIC
IF SHE DIDN'T.
I'D SAY HAVE SOMETHING.
'I DON'T WANT ANYTHING.'
HAVE A LITTLE, HAVE SOME MILK
IN YOUR COFFEE, HAVE SOME
BREAKFAST, HAVE SOME TEA, HAVE
A LITTLE LUNCH, HAVE THIS THAT
AND THE OTHER.
IT'D BECOME... TO THE POINT
WHERE I WAS BECOMING REALLY
REALLY BORING.
BECAUSE I WAS PETRIFIED SHE
WAS GOING TO SINK BACK INTO
THIS AWFUL ILLNESS, THIS
ANOREXIA WHICH IS A KILLER.
AND I THOUGHT ONE MORE TIME
SHE AIN'T GONNA SURVIVE.
AND THAT FRIGHTENED ME.
I COULDN'T GET THE MENTAL
PROBLEM, AND IT NEVER OCCURRED
TO ME UNTIL AFTERWARDS THAT
THE ROOT OF IT, THE VERY, VERY
ROOT OF IT WAS RIGHT BACK DOWN
THERE AT THE LGI.

Ray says SHE WAS TAKEN INTO THE
INTERVIEW ROOM, AND WE HAD A
CHAT WITH HER.
AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT SHE HAD
NOT CONSENTED IN ANY WAY WITH
SAVILE.
HE'D TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF HER,
HE'D FORCED HIMSELF ON HER, AND
I DON'T THINK SHE REALLY KNEW
WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO HER.

Pauline says IT WASN'T UNTIL RAY
EXPLAINED WHEN I TOLD HIM
ALL THE DETAILS THAT HE SAID
THAT IS RAPE.
HE GAVE ME THE ACTUAL
DEFINITION, AND HE SAID THIS
IS WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU.
I SAID DO YOU BELIEVE ME?
HE SAID YES.

The interviewer says WHAT WAS THAT
LIKE?

Pauline says I WAS SO RELIEVED.

Malcolm says AND THEN IT WAS AS
THOUGH A GREAT WEIGHT HAD BEEN
LIFTED FROM HER, BECAUSE SHE
COULD TALK ABOUT IT WITHOUT
FEELING WORRIED, WITHOUT
FEELING ASHAMED, WITHOUT
FEELING DISGUSTED WITH HERSELF.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE WAS
PAULINE, PROPERLY PAULINE.
SHE WAS THERE, AND I ALWAYS
KNEW SHE WAS UNDER THERE
SOMEWHERE.
I THOUGHT OH GOOD!
THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING
FOR.

Pauline says WE GOT THERE.
WE GOT THERE IN THE END.
[laughing]

Malcolm says WE DID!

Pauline says SORRY, DARLING.

Malcolm says IT'S ALRIGHT.

Pauline says TO HAVE CAUSED YOU
SO MUCH HASSLE OVER THE YEARS.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "July 2015. Katy’s trial. Day four."

Katy and Joe walk out of the house towards the car.

Katy says I'VE JUST HIT THAT
WAVE OF ANXIETY.
I WILL BE GIVING EVIDENCE, OR
BEING CROSS-EXAMINED ACTUALLY.
IT'S GOING TO BE SCARY.

Joe says IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU
ALMOST HAVE A CAR CRASH AND
IT'S A NEAR MISS AND YOUR LEGS
GO LIKE JELLY, YOU FEEL SICK.

Katy says YEAH, IT'S A BIT LIKE
THAT.
I HATE BEING PERCEIVED AS WEAK.
I HATE IT.
AND THAT'S MY WHOLE THING
ABOUT BEING A VULNERABLE
VICTIM SORT OF THING.
I CAN'T STAND IT.

The caption changes to "Nichole Russell. Detective Constable."

Nichole is in her mid-thirties, with shoulder length straight black hair and she wears a white lace top, a blue jacket and a delicate pendant necklace.

Nichole says KATY'S CASE CAME TO
US FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
ALTHOUGH YOU COULD SEE SHE WAS
VULNERABLE, YOU COULD ALSO SEE
SHE WAS QUITE STRONG AS WELL.

In the interrogation room, Nichole asks Katy
IF YOU WANT TO TELL ME THEN
WHAT IT IS YOU WANT US TO KNOW.

Katy looks upset.

Nichole says YOU COULD SEE
IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR HER
TO VERBALIZE THE THINGS THAT
HAD HAPPENED TO HER.
SHE WAS UNABLE TO SAY CERTAIN
PARTS OF THE ANATOMY.
BUT SHE WAS ARTICULATE.

Katy says AND ON THE PATH THIS
LITTLE, A BIT LIKE A
BRIDLEWAY, WE'D MADE A DEN

Nichole says SHE GAVE A GOOD AND
CLEAR AND CONCISE ACCOUNT.

The narrator says NEARLY FIVE YEARS
SINCE FIRST GOING TO THE
POLICE, KATY IS GOING TO BE
CROSS-EXAMINED BY THE DEFENCE,
WHO'LL CHALLENGE HER VERSION
OF EVENTS.

Nichole says I DON'T THINK
ANYBODY WOULD RELISH OR ENJOY
SOMEBODY QUESTIONING THEIR
RELIABILITY.
THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AND SAY
THAT THE WITNESS IS TELLING
LIES.

Katy says to Joe says RIGHT, GOTTA GO.
BYE.

Joe says GOOD LUCK, DARLING.
GOOD LUCK.
WE ALL LOVE YOU.
WE LOVE YOU.
SEE YOU SHORTLY.
SEE YOU VERY SOON, BABE.

Katy leaves the car and says OH, MY GOD.

Joe says LOVE YOU.

Nichole says IT'S THE FEAR THAT
THEY'VE HAD ALL THEIR LIVES,
THAT NOBODY WILL BELIEVE THEM.
IT'S PLAYING TO THEIR BIGGEST
FEARS.

Katy’s friend says YOU'RE GOING TO BE FINE

The caption changes to "4 hours later."

Joe says KATE, IS IT LEFT HERE?

Another woman says YOU WERE AMAZING.

Joe says SHE SAID THAT YOU GREW
TEN FEET.

The woman says YOU DID, YOU GREW TEN FEET.

The interviewer says WHAT DO VICTIMS
SAY IT'S LIKE?

Nichole says MORE OFTEN THAN NOT
THEY'LL SAY I WOULD NEVER DO
THAT AGAIN.
YEAH.

Joe picks Katy up and carries her inside the house.

The narrator says THE JURY WILL
DELIVER ITS VERDICT TOMORROW.

(music plays)

The caption changes to "November 2nd, 2012."

The narrator says MORE THAN 500 MEN AND WOMEN
CAME FORWARD SAYING THEY WERE
VICTIMS OF SAVILE.
BUT BECAUSE HE WAS DEAD, THEY
WOULD NEVER HAVE THEIR DAY IN
A CRIMINAL COURT.
MANY TURNED TO THE CIVIL
COURTS FOR RECOGNITION THAT
THEY HAD BEEN ABUSED.

The caption changes to "Liz Dux. Abuse lawyer."

Liz is in her forties, with short wavy brown hair and she wears a black dress, a gray blazer and a blue pendant necklace.

She says I THINK THE WORD
COMPENSATION IS A HORRIBLE WORD.
I GET VERY CROSS WITH PEOPLE
WHO PORTRAY ME AS SOMEONE WHO
IS ONLY DOING THIS FOR
COMPENSATION.
IT'S NOT, IT IS A
RECOGNITION... AND IN
SAVILE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ALL
THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE.
SAVILE WAS NOW DEAD, SO THE
ONLY REMEDY THEY HAD WAS TO
PURSUE AN ACTION AGAINST HIS
ESTATE.
THE AFFECTS ON YOU HAVE
OBVIOUSLY BEEN VERY, VERY
SERIOUS.
IT HAPPENED TO YOU AT A VERY
EARLY AGE WHEN YOU WERE
EXTREMELY IMPRESSIONABLE, AND
IT'S CLEARLY HAD A LASTING
AFFECT.
WE KNEW THAT THERE WASN'T
GOING TO BE ENOUGH IN THE
SAVILE ESTATE TO GO AROUND
BECAUSE OF THE QUANTITY OF THE
VICTIMS.
BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
THERE WERE OTHER ALLEGATIONS
AGAINST HIM, WEREN'T THERE?
SINCE SAVILE PEOPLE HAVE FELT
EMPOWERED TO TRY AND SEEK
JUSTICE.
PEOPLE NOW FEEL I'M NOT GOING
TO SIT ON THIS FOREVER MORE.
I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING NOW.
I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING IN MY
LIFETIME WHILE SOMEONE CAN BE
PROSECUTED OR I'M GOING TO
REGRET IT.

The narrator says THAT NEED FOR
JUSTICE LED OPERATION YEWTREE
TO TAKE A DRAMATIC TURN.

(music plays)

A man says HUNDREDS OF OTHER PEOPLE
HAVE COME FORWARD TO COMPLAIN
ABOUT PEOPLE OTHER THAN
JIMMY SAVILE.
THEY BELIEVE THIS WILL BE A
WATERSHED MOMENT IN THE
PROSECUTION OF SEXUAL OFFENCES.

The caption changes to "Operation Yewtree. Gold Group Meeting."

Peter says OKAY, LADIES AND
GENTS.
GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO
THE GOAL GROUP FOR OPERATION
YEWTREE.
THERE WILL BE LIVING SUSPECTS
WHO NEED TO BE DEALT WITH.
THOSE SUSPECTS MAY WELL
PROVIDE A THREAT TO CHILDREN
TODAY, AND I THINK WE ALL NEED
TO BE PREPARED FOR THE PROFILE
AND THE PUBLICITY.
WE KNEW FAIRLY QUICKLY THAT
THERE WERE GOING TO BE LIVE
SUSPECTS THAT WE WERE GOING TO
HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
I KNEW THAT THESE CASES HAD
TO BE INVESTIGATED.
IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW OLD THE
OFFENDING WAS; IT IS STILL
LIVE FOR THOSE VICTIMS.

The narrator says THE MOST PROLIFIC
LIVING OFFENDER INVESTIGATED
BY YEWTREE WAS FORMER DJ
CHRIS DENNING.
HE WAS CHARGED WITH 41 SEXUAL
OFFENCES AGAINST BOYS AS YOUNG
AS NINE.
26 MEN WERE WILLING TO TESTIFY
AGAINST HIM.
ONE OF THEM WAS DAVE.

A clip shows Denning in custody.

The interviewer says WHY WOULD YOU
LIKE TO BE ANONYMOUS FOR THIS
INTERVIEW?

The caption changes to "‘Dave’ has been disguised.

Dave says I NEVER WANT MY MUM TO
KNOW THAT SHE WASN'T THERE TO
STOP THIS.
IT'D KILL HER.

The interviewer says WHAT AFFECT HAS
MEETING CHRIS HAD ON YOU?

The caption changes to "Dave. Abused, aged 14."

Dave says I THINK IT'S STOPPED
ME LOVING.
I'VE GOT THIS NEW ANNOYING
THING I DO 'GASP'.
SO WHEN I FEEL SOMETHING, IT'S
LIKE, PUSHING DOWN ON IT,
DON'T LET IT OUT.
I SUPPOSE IF YOU CAN THINK OF
TAKING EVERY EMOTION YOU'VE
EVER HAD IN YOUR LIFE AND
BOXING IT UP, THAT'S WHAT SITS
INSIDE ME, READY TO EXPLODE.
AND OCCASIONALLY IT EXPLODES.
AND WHEN THAT EXPLOSION GOES
ON PEOPLE DON'T SEE IT COMING,
THEY DON'T THINK THEY'VE DONE
ANYTHING, BUT SOMEWHERE INSIDE
THAT PRESSURE'S JUST GONE
'BOOF'.
I WAS SORT OF SITTING THERE
PONDERING LIFE AS YOU DO,
OR AS I DO, AND SORT OF CHRIS
POPPED INTO MY HEAD.
SO I DECIDED TO GOOGLE THE
AFFECTS OF CHILD ABUSE, HOW
DOES IT MANIFEST ITSELF AS
AN ADULT.
AND SO I GOOGLED IT AND THIS
IS WHERE I CAME, THERE WAS
THIS LIST OF TEN THINGS.
YEAH, I'M SURE I GOT 7 OR 8
OUT OF TEN.
CUTTING YOURSELF OFF, ANGER,
RISK TAKERS, LACK OF EMOTION.
IT WAS, FOR ME, THE SADDEST
THING I'D EVER READ.
YOU THINK GOD, YOU KNOW, IF
IT WASN'T FOR ALL THIS I WOULD
STILL BE... YOU WOULDN'T HAVE
ALL THE REGRET.
ALL THE PEOPLE YOU'VE... LOVED
AND PUSHED AWAY.

Dave sits with his girlfriend on a couch.

The caption changes to "Lynne. Girlfriend."

Lynne is in her thirties, with long straight brown hair. She wears jeans and a green sweater.

The interviewer says HOW DID YOU
MEET?

Lynne says WE MET ONLINE.

The interviewer says WHICH ONE?

Lynne says PLENTY OF FISH!
[chuckling]

Dave says I EXPLAINED WHAT HAD
HAPPENED TO ME.
SO SHE WAS THE FIRST PERSON
I'VE EVER TOLD.

The interviewer says WHAT WAS IT LIKE
TO TELL SOMEONE?

Dave says HORRIBLE.
MAKES IT REAL.

Lynne says I WAS ABSOLUTELY
OUT OF MY DEPTH.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO TRY AND
ENCOURAGE HIM YOU KNOW, TO GET
COUNSELLING.

The interviewer says DID YOU WANT TO
GO FOR COUNSELLING, DAVE?

Dave says NO.
THAT MEANS TELLING PEOPLE.

Lynne says HE HATED IT!

Dave says SHE WOULD BE TRYING TO
MAKE ME FEEL THIS STUFF, AND I
WOULD DO ANYTHING NOT TO.
SO, YEAH, SHE'D BRING SOMETHING
UP AND I'D JUST CHANGE THE
SUBJECT OR MOVE AWAY FROM IT.
I SHOW YOU FEELINGS AND HOW I
FELT, JUST NO ONE ELSE.

The narrator says DAVE WAS ABLE TO
TESTIFY AT CHRIS DENNING'S
TRIAL, AND HIS EVIDENCE WAS
KEY IN SECURING A CONVICTION.
THE DJ WAS SENTENCED TO 13
YEARS IN PRISON.
IT WAS OPERATION YEWTREE'S
FIRST SUCCESSFUL PROSECUTION.
BUT BY NOW, POLICE FORCES
ACROSS THE COUNTRY WERE BEING
OVERWHELMED BY HUNDREDS OF NEW
CASES OF HISTORICAL ABUSE.

A woman says I'VE GOT ROSEMARY WHO
ELSE, CATHY?

The narrator says IN MANCHESTER,
THREE WOMEN HAD COME FORWARD
WITH ALLEGATIONS ABOUT A LOCAL
DJ, RAY TERET.

A man says OKAY RAY, YOU'RE
CURRENTLY UNDER ARREST ON
SUSPICION OF THE FOLLOWING:
THE RAPE OF (audio blocked),
IN 1962, THE RAPE AND UNLAWFUL
SEXUAL INTERCOURSE AND SEXUAL
ASSAULT OF CATHY LANDSBOROUGH
IN 1972 AND 1973.

Ray says I'VE NO IDEA WHO
THEY ARE.

The caption changes to "Cathy."

Cathy says I WAS ONE OF
THE FIRST THREE TO
COME FORWARD.
I DECIDED I'LL GIVE EVIDENCE
AGAINST TERET.
WOULD THEY BELIEVE ME?
WOULD ANYONE BELIEVE ME
OVER HIM?

A reporter says RAY TERET WHO
IS 72 WAS BEEN GIVEN BAIL AND
TOLD TO APPEAR AT THE CROWN
COURT NEXT MONTH.

Cathy says AND THEN WHEN IT WENT
OUT ON THE NEWS, THAT WAS WHEN
EVERYONE STARTED TO COME
FORWARD.
AND IT'S LIKE BRING THEM ON,
BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE THERE.

Rachel says IT WAS JUST BY LUCK
THAT I HAD THE TELEVISION ON
THAT DAY.
RAY TERET WAS COMING OUT OF
COURT DENYING THE CHARGES THAT
WERE BROUGHT AGAINST HIM.
AND HE WAS SMILING AND WAVING.
AND THAT DID SOMETHING TO ME.
IT CHANGED ME.
AND I KNEW I HAD TO DO
SOMETHING.
I RANG THE THREE CHILDREN, AND
TOLD THEM TO BE HERE ON THE
MONDAY NIGHT AT 7 O'CLOCK.

Annie says SHE JUST DIDN'T SOUND
LIKE HERSELF.
SHE SAID WHAT I'M GOING TO
TELL YOU I NEVER WANTED TO
TELL YOU.

The caption changes to "‘Rachel’ has been disguised."

Rachel says I SAID IN 1960 I
WAS RAPED BY JIMMY SAVILE
AND RAY TERET.
TO SEE THE KIDS, THEY WERE
CRYING AND THEY WERE HUGGING
ME AND THE HURT THAT I'D
CAUSED THEM BY TELLING THEM,
YOU KNOW?

The caption changes to "Annie. Daughter."

Annie is in her thirties, with long straight blond hair in a low ponytail. She wears a blue sweater.

Annie says ME MUM SAID IT'S OVER
NOW.
AND I GOT ANGRY THEN.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S OVER?
SHE SAID I NEVER EVEN WANTED
TO TELL YOUS AND UPSET YOUS.
IT'S ANGERED ME THAT I'VE HAD
TO DO THIS.
BUT NOW IT'S OVER.
WE FORGET IT.
I SAID I CAN'T FORGET THIS.

Rachel says AND SHE WENT HOME,
FOUND OUT WHO HE WAS AND RANG
THE POLICE THE NEXT DAY.
SO, REALLY, WITHOUT HER NONE OF
THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED,
REALLY.
I'D NEVER DREAMED OF THE TRIAL
AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

The narrator says BY THE TIME
TERET'S TRIAL BEGAN, 17 WOMEN
HAD COME FORWARD TO TESTIFY
AGAINST HIM.

Rachel says RAY TERET IN COURT
WHEN HE WAS QUESTIONED, THAT
WAS NICE.
IT WAS NICE TO SEE HIM LYING
IN COURT, LIE LIE LIE.
'COS THAT'S ALL HE DID, LIE.

The interviewer says IT SOUNDS LIKE
PART OF YOU REALLY ENJOYED IT.

Rachel says I DID ENJOY THE
CROSS-EXAMINATION.
BECAUSE I GOT MY STORY ACROSS.
WHEN I DID IT AND COME BACK
AND SHE SAW MY FACE...

Annie says IT WAS LIKE A
DIFFERENT WOMAN.

Rachel says ALL THE LINES HAD
GONE AND THE AGE HAD GONE.
IT WAS LIKE I'D GONE BACK TO
THE '60s AND I WAS... NOTHING
HAD HAPPENED.
IT HAD ALL COME OUT OF ME,
YOU KNOW?
THE JUDGE JUST WIPED THE FLOOR
WITH HIM.
HE SENTENCED HIM TO 25 YEARS.
WHICH I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.
AND EVERYBODY CLAPPED.
AND WHEN HE CAME UP FOR THE
VERDICT, HE HAD HIS HEAD DOWN,
HE NEVER LOOKED AT NOBODY.
AND THE SAME WHEN HE WENT DOWN.
HE WAS JUST AN OLD, EVIL,
BROKEN MAN.

The interviewer says AND HOW DID
YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

Rachel says GOOD.

The caption changes to "July 2015. Katy’s trial. Day of verdict."

Katy says I ALWAYS START GETTING
NERVOUS WHEN I GET READY.
PREPARATION, IT'S IMPORTANT
THE PREP.
IT IS FOR ME ANYWAY.
I WANNA BE SMART.
I WANNA FEEL LIKE ME.
AND HOPING...
GOD KNOWS WHAT IT'LL BE LIKE
TODAY.

The narrator says THE JURY
DELIVERS ITS VERDICT TODAY.
THERE ARE TEN SEX OFFENCE
CHARGES ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN
CARRIED OUT ON KATY OR HER
FRIEND 24 YEARS AGO, JUST
YARDS FROM KATY'S FAMILY HOME

Pat says I THINK IT'S BROKE US
A BIT AS A FAMILY.
IT REALLY HAS, BECAUSE WE USED
TO BE SO HAPPY.

Alan says EVEN WHEN I GO TO BED
AT NIGHT, I CAN BE...

Pat says YOU WAKE UP, DON'T YOU?

Alan says I WAKE UP IN EARLY
HOURS OF MORNING, AND I'VE
BEEN DREAMING BUT IT'S ABOUT
THE COURT CASE.
AND I'VE NOT BEEN A WITNESS
FOR THE PROSECUTION.
I WERE IN THE DEFENDANT'S BOX
AND I WERE IN THERE, AND I CAN
REMEMBER THE JUDGE SAYING,
'YOU'RE GUILTY, TAKE HIM
DOWN'.
AND I'M THINKING I HAVEN'T
DONE ANYTHING WRONG.
BUT SOMEWHERE IN MY HEAD,
I HAVE.

Katy says SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT
WASN'T RIGHT.
I WANT A FORMAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
OF WHAT HAPPENED TO ME.
BELIEVED, BEING BELIEVED...
IS IMPORTANT.
IT IS IMPORTANT.

The narrator says THE ACCUSED HAS
BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF FIVE OF
THE TEN CHARGES, FOUR INDECENT
ASSAULTS, AND ONE ACT OF GROSS
INDECENCY, WHERE KATY AND HER
FRIEND WERE BOTH PRESENT.
THE JURY DIDN'T FIND HIM
GUILTY OF THE CHARGES WHERE IT
WAS KATY'S WORD AGAINST HIS.
[sobbing]

Outside the court room, Katy cries and says WHY DON'T THEY BELIEVE
ME?
AHHHH!

(music plays)

Joe carries her to the car.

Katy says THEY DON'T BELIEVE ME.
THEY BELIEVE HIM.

Nichole says I DON'T THINK IT'S
A CASE OF BELIEF.
IT'S NOT A PERSONAL VERDICT.
IT'S NOT PERSONAL AGAINST HER.
IT'S AGAINST THE EVIDENCE.
I'M HAPPY THAT WE GOT THE
GUILTY VERDICT FOR THE FIVE
THAT WE DID.
AND WE'VE SAFEGUARDED EVERY
CHILD THAT COMES INTO CONTACT
WITH HIM, FOR THE REMAINDER OF
HIS LIFE, SO IT'S A GOOD
VERDICT.

The caption changes to "The defendant was sentenced to 34 months in prison and placed on the Sex Offenders Register."

The caption changes to "3 months later."

Joe says IT'S PROBABLY
THE
MOST
HARDEST THING I'VE EVER HAD TO
DEAL WITH IN MY WHOLE ENTIRE
LIFE.
AND I DON'T DEAL WITH IT VERY
WELL SOMETIMES.
BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE A ROAD
THAT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE
TRAVELLED DOWN ANYWAY.
EVEN IF IT MADE OUR
RELATIONSHIP WORSE, I THINK WE
WERE ALWAYS GOING TO DO THIS.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL MAKE
OUR RELATIONSHIP WORSE, IN
ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TIME WE
MIGHT FIND THAT WE'RE REALLY
STRUGGLING WITH SOMETHING
BECAUSE OF THIS.
AND THEN WE'LL LOOK BACK AND
GO 'WAS IT WORTH IT FOR THAT?'
I DON'T KNOW.
AND AS I SAID, THE ROAD WAS
ALWAYS GOING TO BE TAKEN.
SO, WE'LL JUST LIVE WITH THE
OUTCOME OF IT, REALLY.

Now Katy swims in a lake as Joe follows her in a canoe.

Joe says KATY!
TREE LINE ON THE RIGHT, YEAH?
THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO BE
AIMING FOR.
I'LL GO ON THE OTHER SIDE
OF YOU, ALRIGHT?

Katy says I JUST STARTED
SWIMMING.
IT'S JUST AN AMAZING FEELING,
BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF A LAKE,
KIND OF BECOME A PART OF IT.
IT'S A PLACE WHERE I PUT MY
ANGER, KNOWING THAT I CAN SWIM
THE LENGTH OF IT, KNOWING THAT
I'M NOT WEAK, NOT VULNERABLE.
I'VE GOT TO KEEP SWIMMING.

(music plays)

Peter packs up files and says YEWTREE HAS NOW RUN
ITS COURSE.
IT'S BEEN ALMOST THREE YEARS.
IT'S SYNONYMOUS WITH SAVILE.
HE'S DEAD.
THE REALITY IS IT'S ACTUALLY
JUST THE BEGINNING.
BECAUSE WE LOOK AT WHAT HAS
BEEN TERMED THE 'YEWTREE
EFFECT' AND THE CONSEQUENCES
OF WHAT WAS UNCOVERED.
THAT LEADS TO WHAT IS GOING TO
BE BRITAIN'S BIGGEST EVER
PUBLIC ENQUIRY INTO CHILD
SEXUAL ABUSE.
I THINK AS A SOCIETY WE HAVE
SOME REAL ISSUES TO CONFRONT.
YEWTREE IS JUST THE END OF THE
BEGINNING.

(music plays)

Pauline says THE RELIEF.
I HAVEN'T KEPT IT A SECRET.
IT'S PURE AND UTTER RELIEF.
AND FOR SOME REASON THAT HAS
ALLOWED ME TO START TO BE WHO
I AM AND WANT TO BE.

Kevin says ALL THE PEOPLE THAT
MATTER HAVE BELIEVED ME.
SO, YEAH, THAT... THAT'S A
GREAT BIG THING FOR ME.
THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING.

Karin says GOOD PEOPLE, GOOD
PEOPLE WHO WHO LISTENED BUT
DIDN'T HEAR BEFORE ARE REALLY
LISTENING NOW AND THEY ARE
HEARING.

Dee says THIS ISN'T JUST A
PRODUCT OF THE '70s, AND THIS
ISN'T JUST SOMETHING THAT
HAPPENED TO HUNDREDS OF US THEN.
YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL
HAPPENING.

Music plays as the end credits roll.

Narrator, Shaun Dooley.

Executive Producer, Colin Barr.

Producer, Katherine Anstey.

Director, Olly Lambert.

Minnow Films for BBC.

Logo: BBC.

Copyright 2016, Minnow Films.

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