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Forum: Talk About The Agenda
Topic: TVO's May 14 Episode: "Urban Planning and Density: Up, Out or Way Out?"

What about a fourth option:  "No growth" ?

 

We will soon reach the end of cheap oil.  We have already reached peak oil. In Ontario there are 197 species at risk of extinction.  Ontario is already way overpopulated.

 

Forget about growing "up", growing "out", or growing "way out"! How about not growing at all? 

 

It is a myth that cramming people in dense urban housing reduces their individual environmental impact.  They can't grow their own food, they can't use a clothes line, they can't use a staircase instead of an elevator, and they tend to travel on many vacations to get away from the urban pollution, often requiring a second home/cottage.

 

A no-growth model is as simple as denying building permits and if we care about the environment, it is absolutely essential.

 

If TVO's The Agenda does not round out the panel with a guest in support of a no-growth model, I think that will say a lot about the business-as-usual mentality of The Agenda's staff.


Sincerely,


Brishen Hoff


President of Biodiversity First

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No Avatar Uploaded Started on 12 May 09 at 11:38 AM 
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GROWTH, building and development accelerates the depletion of oil, natural gas and other resources (wood, etc.)

I agree with bah's post above.

    

While governments at all levels expect people to "go green", conserve, reduce consumption, etc. - they contradict their intentions when they promote GROWTH.

        Municipal planning departments and governments don't stop to realize how much oil is consumed in the building process.   Large gas-guzzling vehicles are needed to drive back and forth to prepare the building site; large vehicles (cement trucks, etc.) are needed for the building process, as well as to deliver materials over large distances.  And no one considers the amount of oil that is used up to make these materials.   Add to this various tradespeople driving back and forth from Tim Horton's in their large pickup trucks and mini-vans.   Now multiply the total amount of oil used up to build one subdivision over a period of time by the numerous multitude of new subdivisions springing up everywhere - not only in North America but in many countries around the world!     (This applies to apartment buildings as well).

     

These new residential buildings (whether subdivisions, apartment buildings, etc.) will also significantly add to the demand for energy (hydro, natural gas, etc).   This counterbalances any efforts made by others to conserve!

 

    

Now we have to factor in other buildings that are built to serve the increasing population in every new city.   New community centres, larger police stations, new schools, etc.   

    

All this building and development is seen by most people as a wonderful thing.  They call it GROWTH.   But how many people actually stop to think how various efforts to conserve are counterbalanced by this "growth".    This "growth" greatly accelerates the depletion of oil and oil products (ie.plastic, etc), natural gas, wood and other limited resources.




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by Prudent
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In support of Brishen's comments, I refer The Agenda to an article I have posted on the TVO forum, and which is also posted on my blog -- "Smart Growth: The Worst Kind of Sprawl."


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No Avatar Uploaded Posted on 12 May 09 at 1:05 PM
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