British youth are not strapping explosives to themselves because they are disenfranchised. This is a false assumption. I would recommend the book "The Islamist" to anyone who wants an in-depth look at this phenomenon. It is written by a man who is a British muslim and has been in and out of many of these groups. These organizations are run by people who are nothing more than thugs in an heirarchy of organized crime. Religion is simply an excuse to perpetrate their crimes. Aside from the silence of the Muslim community in Britain, much of what has taken place is the fault of the British Governement. They have let this foment under their noses and have been cowed by fear of offending minorities. This is political correctness taken to a sick extreme. There was no reason for these dangerous groups to think that they couldn't get away with theft, murder, extortion, and vile hate speech. The British government gave them the red carpet. This should serve as a lesson to other Western governemnts to take action before this sick cult takes hold here.

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Leslie, I suppose the assumption was only a starting point for the creators of Britz. We want to make some sense of horrifying realities and we apply justifications that satisfy our need to see a logic. However the truth is not always what it might appear. Irshad Manji talks about her discovery of that very truth in the second of our videos on the Britz website. 

You're right, it is an archival clip from a segment on Studio 2 in a Going Global special a couple of years back. You're also right that Fatah stepped down from the leadership of the MCC. But he's still listed on their web page as its founder, and here he's described as an "ordinary member" of the organization.

Would you ascribe poisonous attributes to only this one among all religions? Is it the faith system itself or particular personages in their practice of it with whom you find fault?

I think the sad reality is that muslims have been snoring their heads off for hundreds of years. They still want to live at the time of the prophet, which is a very unique time of history. The prophet had a task from GOD to deliver a message; he faught the people, mainly his own people, because they were preventing him from delivering the message and from practicing the teachings of the message. This situation was what he called the minor JEHAD and it is over. Now the message has been delivered. Freedom of religion is all over the place. The time now is for the major JEHAD, which is fighting your self and your ego (pride) and try to be humble and helpful. The message of the prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is a restoration of the original message of Abraham (PBUH). To worship GOD (the only GOD) and to be good to yourself and others; it is really that simple and it is in all the Abrahamic messages. Whatever you dress or whether you shave or grow any hair is up to your intellegence; GOD does not want us to be robots and follow a strict scheme of appearances. He gave us intellegence as a gift to use it. So, military action can hardly be justified anywhere any time in the name of GOD as long as freedom of religion is granted that appears to be all over, especially in the civilized west. Killing people is a major crime, whether suicide or otherwise.

Mohammad Elmoselhi

( David H ): “How was it that a group of second-generation British Muslims, born here, raised here, educated in British schools, steeped in British culture, could have become so angry..........

" steeped in British culture " is where we make the fundamental mistake concerning such immigrants. They were most diligently raised in a Muslim family and brought up to believe in Islamic fundamentalism. Thus this whole issue of terrorists being British ( or any other western ) citizens and therefore home grown is to be abysmally naive about the hold traditional culture has on immigrant families. In addition they are indoctrinated by extremists funded by oil cash emanating from the Middle East, officially to raise and support Mosques. Guess what happens when nobody is looking.

Good post Leslie Finer.

The BBC also produced an excellent docu-drama exploring the fallout :) from the detonation of a "dirty bomb" in London.  It aired once, several months before the July 7 attacks.  The main BBC page for "Dirty War" is:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/dirty_war/default.stm

Interestingly, it has been released on DVD in the US, but not in the UK.. See:

http://www.amazon.com/Dirty-War-Gavin-Abbott/dp/B0007R4SXQ

 Also see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZlGuLfyWOY

More cheerful stuff:

For those of you who want to look back at the Cold War-era nuclear films: Threads: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfzGyJxViEc 

When the Wind Blows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdguWMF1abU&feature=related

Nuclear War; A Guide to Armageddon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vdzyqQIEAI&feature=related

 are all on YouTube.

and for those chilling Brit public information films:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/films/1964to1979/filmpage_casualties.htm

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXx5Y2Fr2bk

My point to the whole of society  is to investitgate why  one needs a God a religion and a country .

This no  one is going to do as all we become jobless.  One needs evilness

 to be employed.

One needs sick people to be employed.

read www.whatiscivilization.com 

Yes, they do say that the Devil finds work for idle hands though.  

Dear Leslie et al;-

It's the ME blood feud Leslie! 

When we allow our governments to participate in the blood feud that spread out from the unholy land in the Middle East and with the help of the two Bushes has escalated into a global war of terror, and when we support this insane war against innocent Islamic nations by sending our armies and fantastic military machines to destroy them, then surely they or their kin will try to retaliate directly against us because we have unwittingly and foolishly been made their mortal enemies.

Western nations have turned predator:  

There is no moral or legal argument that we can use to defend ourselves once we have attacked them and killed their families, destroyed their villages, towns, and cities from the air and the ground, and then tried to impose our political will on them. Then we have the arrogance to call it liberation, democratization, advancement of human rights, and the rest of the Neocon  and Zionist propaganda as we pile up their bodies, poison their lands with DU and landmines, take control of their resources, and impose our will on the survivors because we claim that we know better than they do about what is good for them and how they should be living. (Please note heavy use of sarcasm here!)

Canada was duped into helping Washington and Tel Aviv 

Canada, because of its unholy alliance with Washington and Tel Aviv, has been dragged into their spreading blood feud, and those who support the Necon Zionist wars can no longer claim to be innocent civilians. If we use the same arguments that the Neocon and Zionist extremists use against those who harbour, fund, aid, and abet what they call terrorists, and we likewise fund and support western forces that strike at Islamic villages, towns, and cities, then we are as directly responsible as we hold supporters like the Taliban. No matter what Harper and his con men try to tell you, the Islamic people who are fighting back against western colonization of Islamic homelands are not doing it to destroy our wonderful values, so long as we don't impose those values on them.

We must stop this insane war now...

The west is clearly at fault for attacking and destroying Islamic countries and colonize them. The Islamic people have not been able to tell their story here because the media is controlled largely by those very powerful groups that want us to fight on their side. We know it is wrong and it is up to us, the common little people to tell our enslaved government to get out of an immoral and illegal war.

Islamic

Apparently, the Qran states explicitly that no Moslem should take up arms against a state that has welcomed him and given him asylum; thus, a Moslem  who has been granted immigrant status, and later citizenship in the U.K. is forbidden to engage in acts of terror there.

Recently an Imam - sorry that I cannot identify him - was quoted as stating that this provision of the Qran does NOT apply to the children or grandchildren of original immigrants.  Mom and dad are not to self-destruct in London underground trains, taking dozens of innocents with them, but the kids are free to engage in such terrorist acts.

Islam, we are told is "a religion of peace".  

We need to have someone remind this particular Imam of that fact. 

We ignore the fact that it is never the Imams or other leaders of Islamic fundamentalist factions who commit suicide bombings themselves, but encourage the credulous and naive fanatics to perform this part of jihad. Maybe they are not sure what Allah would say to them when they arrive in heaven - he may decide to send them in the other direction !

Such degraded acts are viewed with incomprehension by the West, thus stain all of Islam.