UPDATE: The podcast will be up later this week. The podcast will be appearing regularly on Tuesday mornings, but this week it will go up as soon as we have everything set up with our podcast feed.
Great news internet!
The fantastic radio show/podcast Search Engine is coming to TVO. It's going to be part of our podcast feeds over the summer, with a big relaunch in the fall. Search Engine is an award-winning show that looks at politics and culture through the lens of the internet. We're all very excited here. We're big fans of the show and really happy to have Jesse aboard.
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Subscribe on:Jesse and I sat down at our respective computers for a little email Q&A:
MIKE: What are you doing on TVO?
Want to echo the comment by anthonymarco. Been a fan of Search engine for a while now. In the increasing wired world reporters who can actually understand and comment on it are rare birds. A Chief Technology Officer is a helluvan idea for Canada but I can't see Geist co-opting himself just yet. Keep the pods coming JB.
posted by JazzmanJ on 04 May 2009 at 6:50 PM
I have been a big fan of Search Engine - I started listening to the show after the last episode of the "radio" program got so much press. I then subscribed to the podcast-only version, and enjoyed it quite a bit. I'm really happy that TVO has chosen to take on Search Engine as part of its public service mission. As an American, I really don't think we have a podcast that compares to it. No one else asks the hard questions of both government and corporate leaders with a clear mission of digital public interest in mind. No one besides a certain Jesse Brown, anyway. So, I've subscribed to the TVO podcast feed for Search Engine, and I can't wait to see it start to fill up with content.
One question, though - (I had to make an account just to post this, and therefore I saw the TVO TOS) Why does the TVO TOS require users to transfer a perpetual copyright in any idea we post to TVO? While I realize this may be well intentioned, to reduce TVO's legal liability - it seems as if ethically, I would like it quite well if something like a CC-BY license could be used instead. TVO would have the same rights, except that they'd merely have to credit the source of an idea. In any case, rest assured that I think TVO has made quite a statement about where they stand in terms of the public enjoying digital rights and freedoms by merely picking up Search Engine, so I certainly don't mean this as a slam - it's an honest question.
posted by JohnathanG on 05 May 2009 at 12:51 AM
Congrats to TVO! -Greg
posted by gelmer on 05 May 2009 at 9:30 AM
This is indeed great news.
posted by JRinON on 05 May 2009 at 10:15 AM
Hi Jonathan,
Glad you're going to be following Jesse to TVO. As for the copyright, I'm pretty sure if the wording seems excessive it's just because a government-run broadcaster really needs to make sure it has its bases covered and wants to be able to use web comments across all our platforms.
I'll ask our legal department and see if I can get you a more fulsome answer.
Mike
posted by Mike Miner
on 05 May 2009 at 12:51 PM
I'm a long-time listener of Jesse's SearchEngine, and, as a BC resident, largely unaware of TVO's offerings, but not for long!
Good luck to you both -- I'll be watching & listening!
Charles.
posted by Castellan on 05 May 2009 at 3:57 PM
I'd like to thank everybody for all the positive feedback and kind words. Everybody at TVO is excited to have Jesse and Search Engine aboard. We hope you'll find other offerings at TVO that you'll also like.
posted by Mike Miner
on 05 May 2009 at 4:27 PM
I spoke to our legal department and while TVO either owns or has the license to all content on the site to ensure we can use the comments on air, we do not take a copyright interest.
If you'd like any more information, track me down on Twitter @mikeminer and I'll get in touch with you.
posted by Mike Miner
on 05 May 2009 at 4:30 PM
Way to go TVO!
You've just acquired a terrific podcast.
posted by jessewillis on 05 May 2009 at 8:24 PM
Great to hear the show is moved here.
Mike Miner,
This is a community that may be able to help TVO clarify some of the copyright/etc issues. The current boilerplate int he 'copyright' link below doesn't really say anything, and a lack of clarity always gets people into trouble. Providing clarity in relationships is in fact one of the purposes of the law.
It's been a while since I signed up to be able to participate on TVO's site, and I have to admit to not remembering anything being said about the license I'm offering to TVO to my comments. I believe it didn't ask to transfer Copyright as that's one of those bad boilerplate flags I look for.
IANAL, and nothing I cay should be confused as legal advise, but I am a practitioner/adviser in a few peer production communities. I can offer suggestions about what types of legal things should be clarified to keep online communities healthy.
Twitter? I prefer the Canadian http://identi.ca/ , which more open, uses better technology and is far easier to participate on.
posted by Russell McOrmond on 06 May 2009 at 8:14 AM
It says a lot that TVO responded to me in such a constructive way. Thanks! I have a Twitter account but would just as soon continue the discussion here if possible. I can't say much in 140 characters.
So, I'm looking at the "Sign Up" page here: http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=2 Specifically, in the box under Step 4, part 3 says, "By uploading a comment or idea in any format, you are affirming that you own it, and you are transferring the copyright to TVO. That means we can use it in any way we choose, in any media, anywhere, for as long as we want."
To me, that is different from what it says at this page: http://www.tvo.org/TVO/WebObjects/TVO.woa?termsofuse "You hereby grant TVO a royalty-free, perpetual, unrestricted, irrevocable and worldwide licence to use, copy, publicly perform or display, transmit or distribute, translate, adapt and create derivative works from any Submission(s) that you provide as well as the right to sublicense any or all such rights to third parties. You waive all moral rights in your Submission(s) in favour of TVO, and acknowledge that there is no expectation of confidentiality vis-a-vis your Submission(s). As such, you consent to TVO's identifying you as the contributor of the Submission(s)."
It seems like you have different terms listed in different places. I think I prefer the second instance to the first, in that I'm not "transferring" copyright but merely "grant TVO a ... licence..." And, it says that TVO might identify me as the contributor, which seems to be a clearer explanation.
posted by JohnathanG on 06 May 2009 at 5:02 PM
I just meant I could send you my contact info in a DM on Twitter if you wanted a more thorough explanation. Too many spambots could find it if I put it here.
posted by Mike Miner
on 06 May 2009 at 5:27 PM
This might make more sense if you're not a regular watcher of the Agenda. Every Thursday, we create a show out of ideas submitted by our audience. We credit them for it on the show. So naturally, since it's our intention to be using the suggestions to make content we have to be careful about making sure people realize that.
Check out some of our videos in the past episodes section and you'll see what I'm talking about.
And thanks for writing in.
posted by Mike Miner
on 06 May 2009 at 5:31 PM
The cutbacks at CBC have been so depressing, and I wasn't ready to let another one of my favorite shows go. But Search Engine lives on! Thanks to TVO for keeping the show going.
posted by tea4tamara on 12 May 2009 at 10:37 AM
It was too good an opportunity to pass up.
posted by Mike Miner
on 12 May 2009 at 10:59 AM
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Thank You TVO!
In as much as I really enjoy the things that CBC are doing with new media, I have to also throw kudos to TVO. I find it refreshing that public broadcasters know how to bring engaging approaches to their viewers and listeners when commercial broadcaster so often muddle things up.
The acquisition of Search Engine is a great step. I hope Search Engine and TVO can keep up the fight against Digital Rights Management abuses and Deep Packet Inspections. I'm willing for Obama's handlers to label Canadians as pirates if it means that I can have a freer internet, greater access to information, and ensured net neutrality.
Keep up the fight Jesse. We'll all be listening!
posted by anthonymarco on 04 May 2009 at 3:31 PM